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The Defensive Backs
« on: July 25, 2006, 11:23:20 PM »
Depth Chart:

CB:    2 Chris Houston | 5-11, 175, Jr., 2V
          4 Darius Vinnett | 5-9, 165, Sr., 1V

CB:    16 Red  Richardson | 5-10, 190, Jr., 2V
         
S:       6 Randy Kelly | 6-0, 180, Sr., 2V
          3 Kevin Woods | 5-11, 190, Jr., 2V

S:    8 Michael Grant | 6-0, 185, Jr., 2V
         15 Rashaad Johnson | 6-1, 189, Fr., RS
         34 Desmond Williams | 6-2, 205, So., 1V
         38 Elston Forte | 6-1, 190, So., 1V

The Rest:

0        John West                 S       Jr.         TR     6-2/195
43   Dallas Washington   S     Jr.   2V     6-0/195
20   John Johnson              CB   Sr.    2V   5-10/192
45   Matt Harris                 S       So.       1V       6-2/176
41   De'Andre Bryant             S   So.   1V   6-6/200 (Is he really a DB or a LB?)
84   Rod Coleman             DB   So.   1V   6-2/173 (Has he been moved for sure?)

Incoming:
Adrian Davis     6-4   195   
Matt Hewitt      6-2   209
Jerell Norton    6-0   180
Torian Wilkins   5-11  185
Dan Kreamer   6-1    198

Who have I left out/shouldn't have included?
Anyone being moved around?

Quite frankly I thought this group was pretty weak before recruiting was wrapped up. Then I got a litle more worried thinking that we didn't recruit this position hard enough.

Then I realized the deficiencies we had at other positions.

Must be the remnants of the cloud.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2006, 11:33:50 PM by Clark W Grishawg »
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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2006, 11:31:53 PM »
Michael Coe transferred.

Yeah, this year and next year will be the remnants of the  recruiting class in which we took the shotgun approach to recruiting and added around 10 people in the secondary and then did squat for the Oline.
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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2006, 12:15:11 AM »
Depth Chart:

CB:    2 Chris Houston | 5-11, 175, Jr., 2V
 4 Darius Vinnett | 5-9, 165, Sr., 1V

CB: 16 Red Richardson | 5-10, 190, Jr., 2V
 
S: 6 Randy Kelly | 6-0, 180, Sr., 2V
 3 Kevin Woods | 5-11, 190, Jr., 2V

S:    8 Michael Grant | 6-0, 185, Jr., 2V
 15 Rashaad Johnson | 6-1, 189, Fr., RS
 34 Desmond Williams | 6-2, 205, So., 1V
 38 Elston Forte | 6-1, 190, So., 1V

The Rest:

0 John West    S    Jr.    TR 6-2/195
43   Dallas Washington   S Jr.   2V 6-0/195
20   John Johnson    CB   Sr.    2V   5-10/192
45   Matt Harris    S    So.    1V    6-2/176
41   De'Andre Bryant    S   So.   1V   6-6/200 (Is he really a DB or a LB?)
84   Rod Coleman    DB   So.   1V   6-2/173 (Has he been moved for sure?)

Incoming:
Adrian Davis 6-4   195   
Matt Hewitt 6-2   209
Jerell Norton 6-0   180
Torian Wilkins   5-11 185
Dan Kreamer 6-1 198

Who have I left out/shouldn't have included?
Anyone being moved around?

Quite frankly I thought this group was pretty weak before recruiting was wrapped up. Then I got a litle more worried thinking that we didn't recruit this position hard enough.

Then I realized the deficiencies we had at other positions.

Must be the remnants of the cloud.

Chris Houston is an average SEC dback, at best.  I thought he would be really good after that '04 TX game where he played well.  He hasn't played well since.
Darius Vinnett is just OK.
I can't comment much on 'Red'.  I haven't seen a whole lot of him either way.

Randy Kelly sucks.  Didn't know Kevin Woods still played here.

Michael Grant should be good now.  He was recruited by GA, which means he has SOME talent, and he has a lot of experience by now.
Don't know anything about Rashaad Johnson, except that he has an Islamic name.
I am surprised Desmond Williams and Elston Forte haven't moved up by now.

I don't put any faith in John West.  This supposedly 'great find' in North Dakota doesn't do anything for me until he produces.  See Randy Kelly as overhyped for that.

Don't know much about the rest.










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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2006, 06:50:24 AM »
YOu really don't seem to know that much about the ones you mentioned.  If you don't know that much about Robert Johnson's little brother, about whom there were about 35 articles during spring practice, you just aren't paying that much attention. 

Grant should have talent because GA recruited him.  Go say that in the mirror and see if you look stupid to yourself.

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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2006, 07:07:38 AM »
I tend to think if we can stay healthy at cornerback we should be fine, although I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to see a newcomer come in and earn a starting role. Houston and Vinnett have been injury prone and if it wasn't for that they would probably be higher regarded. Losing Cole meant losing a lot of experience but he was a too slow to be a corner in the SEC, and wasn't sure enough tackler to put back at saftey. Grant is fast enough to cover a lot of ground and I expect him to play a great role for the Hogs. I'm not totally sold on Richardson either but maybe he's gotten better over the offseason. What happend to Jamaar Love? Our lack of talent on the edges probably means we will mask that with a lot more zone coverages instead of man to man like we've been running.

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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2006, 09:23:20 AM »
Herring said on signing that Jerrell Norton will be the best cover corner we have had in years. We should have a solid two deep at CB between Houston, Vinnett, Richardson, and Johnson. Safety we have plenty of bodies just need somebody to step up.
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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2006, 09:27:42 AM »
Herring said on signing that Jerrell Norton will be the best cover corner we have had in years. We should have a solid two deep at CB between Houston, Vinnett, Richardson, and Johnson. Safety we have plenty of bodies just need somebody to step up.
Therein lies the problem.

For years someone has stepped up at Safety.

We need someone that is feared.

I have a hunch this West guy can play. An older, experienced guy who brings in JUCO All-American credentials.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2006, 09:29:46 AM »
Therein lies the problem.

For years someone has stepped up at Safety.

We need someone that is feared.

I have a hunch this West guy can play. An older, experienced guy who brings in JUCO All-American credentials.

He was here in the spring.  He did not impress.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2006, 09:34:19 AM »
i think they will be better, how much remains to be seen, but they will be well coached. Louis will get as much out of them as possible so it won't be a matter of coaching, it will be a matter of talent.
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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2006, 09:50:02 AM »
Do you mind if I copy and paste your reply in my reply?


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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2006, 10:17:42 AM »
He was here in the spring.  He did not impress.

Herring's whole defense sucked for the first two months of the season last year, but once they figured it out, they were pretty stout. It might take West a little more  time to adjust to D-1 and Herring's system. 3 Weeks in the Spring isn't much.  I'll reserve judgement until after 2-a-days.
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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2006, 10:20:11 AM »
One thing to keep in mind is that if the front 4 make "the leap" we're all thinking we've got coming the defensive backs, even without any improvement individually, will be better.  And with the speed Grant provides at safety this group could go from marginal to at least SEC caliber.

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2006, 10:20:31 AM »
Chris Houston may not get much love here, but he gets a good bit among SEC coaches.  Vinnett was the most consistent CB on campus two years ago, but that's not saying much.  I think Richardson will be very solid this year.  Coe will be missed, simply because of the depth he could provide.  While we are good in the two deep, this position shapes up a lot like the LB's--very top heavy.

Safety play this year will be much improved becuse Louis Campbell won't put up with what went on last year.  I would say that the safeties have cost us four wins over the last two years.  With all the talk about Malzhan and Alex Woods, I think the biggest difference maker on the coaching staff will be Campbell (along with the removal of Chris Vaughn from the field).   

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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2006, 10:20:58 AM »
Therein lies the problem.

For years someone has stepped up at Safety.

We need someone that is feared.

I have a hunch this West guy can play. An older, experienced guy who brings in JUCO All-American credentials.

I'm hoping Grant can become a badass safety.  He has the speed and athleticism and was the hardest-hitting corner up there since Barrett (moreso than Batman).   His problem at CB seemed to be getting lost in coverage.

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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2006, 10:21:09 AM »
He was here in the spring.  He did not impress.


Judging from the preseason articles, I would say that they were rather disappointed in dude but some of that might have just been for motivations sake. They wanted somebody...anybody to beat out Randy Kelley and apparently there were no takers. I'm thinking there was another JUCO safety brought in but I don't recall his name off hand...Is it Hewitt?

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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2006, 10:26:16 AM »
Randy Kelly, as stated earlier, just isn't very good. So Grant will simply have to be, or otherwise we are playing without a centerfielder at all.

I think Houston, Richardson, and Vinnett will be alright this fall. The conference isn't especially laden with awesome receivers so maybe they won't be under quite as much duress once they get past Dwayne Jarrett and Earl Bennett early in the season. Sidney Rice, of course, will present a problem and will command heavier coverage.

All those guys have to be able to provide capable run support, too. I think our corners can do that. I don't think Kelly helps much there. Maybe that's where West fits in.

To be honest, I'm hoping to see Kevin Woods snatch away the job from Kelly, because he's been a good hitter on special teams.


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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2006, 10:30:06 AM »

Judging from the preseason articles, I would say that they were rather disappointed in dude but some of that might have just been for motivations sake. They wanted somebody...anybody to beat out Randy Kelley and apparently there were no takers. I'm thinking there was another JUCO safety brought in but I don't recall his name off hand...Is it Hewitt?

Hewitt is correct and they are hoping he comes in and plays.  He is up there right now and is physically a lot more prepared for SEC football than West is.

On another note, Rashad Johnson isn't at Safety anymore.  I think he is back at WR.
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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2006, 11:10:56 AM »
Any chance Grant moves back to CB? It looks like they are a little depleted with Coe transferring.

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Re: The Defensive Backs
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2006, 11:19:05 AM »
Grant will be the fastest FS in college, which doesn't mean much, especially since the only good thing about a fast FS is that he can do some man coverage on spread offenses, except the reason he was moved to FS (along with the fact that we didn't have one) is that his coverage ability was lacking.

 

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