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A/V Recievers
« on: March 06, 2007, 03:27:04 PM »
Ok, I am thinking of buying a new reciever for my living room set up. I currently have a Samsung 5-DVD Progressive Scan changer with a built-in reciever Dolby Pro Logic, DTS, PCM, etc etc (approx 2.5 years old). I'd like to beef things up a bit and buy one of those 7.1 recievers or some variation and just use the changer as a DVD player only.


My needs will be a reciever with atleast 3 Opitical Inputs/1 output plus maybe a coaxile input/output. Here is where my qestion comes into play.


If I buy one of these that features an Up Conversion with HDMI pass through etc etc....will my existing DVD player work like that? Or will I need a DVD player capable of the Up conversion?



Also, when are the recievers with Dolby True HD coming out? That is supposed to decode a "Studio Mastered" sound or something...just wondering if that's all that and a bag of chips or just more B.S. stupid pricks like me would spend $300 more for?

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2007, 03:49:06 PM »
Concerning the dvd player...I doubt that it has upconversion capabilities as it is 2.5 years old.  Unless it specifically states in the documentation that it upconverts using hdmi, then the most you will ever get is 480p output.  Check the back initially and see if it contains an HDMI output.

Concerning the receiver, I have no idea about the Dolby True HD sound, but you may search the treads of the http://www.avsforum.com In all reality, I can hardly tell a difference between 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 unless I'm in a very large room.  However, you may want to research the emerging technologies and determine how far off they are from implementation.  For me, my xbox, dvd player, and HD DVR can only output to 5.1, so anything greater than that is simulated.

Hope this helps.  Good luck.

BTW, you might check www.ecost.com for a receiver.  They have open box and refurbished stuff pretty cheap.  I've seen onkyo 7.1 high watt receivers for under $200.00.

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2007, 04:59:45 PM »
Ok, I am thinking of buying a new reciever for my living room set up. I currently have a Samsung 5-DVD Progressive Scan changer with a built-in reciever Dolby Pro Logic, DTS, PCM, etc etc (approx 2.5 years old). I'd like to beef things up a bit and buy one of those 7.1 recievers or some variation and just use the changer as a DVD player only.


My needs will be a reciever with atleast 3 Opitical Inputs/1 output plus maybe a coaxile input/output. Here is where my qestion comes into play.


If I buy one of these that features an Up Conversion with HDMI pass through etc etc....will my existing DVD player work like that? Or will I need a DVD player capable of the Up conversion?



Also, when are the recievers with Dolby True HD coming out? That is supposed to decode a "Studio Mastered" sound or something...just wondering if that's all that and a bag of chips or just more B.S. stupid pricks like me would spend $300 more for?

If your receiver upconverts, your DVD player won't need that capability.  Plan on spending big bucks on the receiver though. 

For example, I have a Pioneer 1016 which has 2 hdmi in/1 out but does no conversion.  It justs acts as a switch.


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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2007, 06:34:54 PM »
If your receiver upconverts, your DVD player won't need that capability.  Plan on spending big bucks on the receiver though. 

For example, I have a Pioneer 1016 which has 2 hdmi in/1 out but does no conversion.  It justs acts as a switch.

I was eying a couple at Worst Buy for a little over $400, both were a little under 800 watts output, actually I looked at two Sony's and one was essentially the same thing only it didn't have as many bells and whistles = $220...the other I looked at was some cheaper brand that had as many features as the more expensive Sony....If I bought I'd go with the Sony in a heart beat. The more expensive Sony had some kind of built in XM radio stuff that I would never use.


My TV doesn't have a HDMI input so this may not matter until I make that happen but I like to think ahead.

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2007, 06:58:00 PM »
If your receiver upconverts, your DVD player won't need that capability.  Plan on spending big bucks on the receiver though. 

For example, I have a Pioneer 1016 which has 2 hdmi in/1 out but does no conversion.  It justs acts as a switch.

I stand corrected.  Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2007, 07:25:12 PM »
I was eying a couple at Worst Buy for a little over $400, both were a little under 800 watts output, actually I looked at two Sony's and one was essentially the same thing only it didn't have as many bells and whistles = $220...the other I looked at was some cheaper brand that had as many features as the more expensive Sony....If I bought I'd go with the Sony in a heart beat. The more expensive Sony had some kind of built in XM radio stuff that I would never use.


My TV doesn't have a HDMI input so this may not matter until I make that happen but I like to think ahead.

Just say no to Sony audio products, unless you get to the higher end.  I've heard they have poor power management and amplifiers.  I really like the 1016, which you can find online for around $400.  Has an auto calibration deal that works really well.  The one step lower Pioneer 816 also has this feature but no hdmi, and a less efficient amp system.  Don't be afraid of the Yamahas and Denons.  Don't rely on wattage alone.  Take a look at the Harmon Kardon receivers.  They generally put out like 75 watts, but extremely efficiently.   

Do check out the avsforums.  Those are some real A/V tech nerds that will hash out the smallest detail of any product. 


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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2007, 06:20:58 PM »
Just say no to Sony audio products, unless you get to the higher end.  I've heard they have poor power management and amplifiers.  I really like the 1016, which you can find online for around $400.  Has an auto calibration deal that works really well.  The one step lower Pioneer 816 also has this feature but no hdmi, and a less efficient amp system.  Don't be afraid of the Yamahas and Denons.  Don't rely on wattage alone.  Take a look at the Harmon Kardon receivers.  They generally put out like 75 watts, but extremely efficiently.   

Do check out the avsforums.  Those are some real A/V tech nerds that will hash out the smallest detail of any product. 

Your 1016 gets some good reviews all the way up till the HDMI audio problems come up. Reviews say it won't grab the audio and you have to do a lot of wiring.


Anyone have a Onkyo TX-SR604?

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2007, 08:41:58 PM »
Your 1016 gets some good reviews all the way up till the HDMI audio problems come up. Reviews say it won't grab the audio and you have to do a lot of wiring.


Anyone have a Onkyo TX-SR604?

I've got the 604...great receiver, but it does not upconvert all inputs over HDMI, which would be nice.  I thought I would point you to shoponkyo.com, where I bought a smaller refurb Onkyo for $100.  They have  a refurb 604 for $399, but I checked amazon for a new price, and they have a new one for $369, plus free shipping!  At that price, it's a steal.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR604-7-1-Channel-Receiver/dp/B000HD7FGM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8815319-4481704?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173922563&sr=8-1


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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 10:41:37 PM »
I've got the 604...great receiver, but it does not upconvert all inputs over HDMI, which would be nice.  I thought I would point you to shoponkyo.com, where I bought a smaller refurb Onkyo for $100.  They have  a refurb 604 for $399, but I checked amazon for a new price, and they have a new one for $369, plus free shipping!  At that price, it's a steal.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR604-7-1-Channel-Receiver/dp/B000HD7FGM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8815319-4481704?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173922563&sr=8-1

Oops, too late...Circuit City had a special going and I bit. I think I'll be happy with what I got, this HD-DVD player seems to play regular DVD rather well...either my regular player is teh suck or this thing is up-converting. I watched Swordfish tonight because I've seen it a thousand times on my old player and wanted to see if there was a huge difference and there was. Checking the Onkyo website and the one I bought TXSR604 was the one featured and 1080p ready. Onkyo isn't a brand I know much about but after about a week of researching this stuff this unit seems to have some high end features for a lot less than some of these Yamaha's and Pioneer brands. That being said, I have no doubt there are some differences between $1000-$1600 units and $400 to $500 dollar units.

I've seen some reviews that said the 604 looked fuzzy when using the components but most of those reviews were from last fall and I think they are actually talking about the 604S. Either which way if it's crap, I know a manager up and Circuit City in NLR.

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2007, 11:41:16 AM »
Oops, too late...Circuit City had a special going and I bit. I think I'll be happy with what I got, this HD-DVD player seems to play regular DVD rather well...either my regular player is teh suck or this thing is up-converting. I watched Swordfish tonight because I've seen it a thousand times on my old player and wanted to see if there was a huge difference and there was. Checking the Onkyo website and the one I bought TXSR604 was the one featured and 1080p ready. Onkyo isn't a brand I know much about but after about a week of researching this stuff this unit seems to have some high end features for a lot less than some of these Yamaha's and Pioneer brands. That being said, I have no doubt there are some differences between $1000-$1600 units and $400 to $500 dollar units.

I've seen some reviews that said the 604 looked fuzzy when using the components but most of those reviews were from last fall and I think they are actually talking about the 604S. Either which way if it's crap, I know a manager up and Circuit City in NLR.

There is nothing wrong with Onkyo products.

On the Pioneer, the problem was passing 2 channel audio through the HDMI switch to the tv, which I will never do. There are only a few that will pass multi-channel audio over hdmi anyway.  The new new thing. 


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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2007, 02:06:03 PM »
There is nothing wrong with Onkyo products.

On the Pioneer, the problem was passing 2 channel audio through the HDMI switch to the tv, which I will never do. There are only a few that will pass multi-channel audio over hdmi anyway.  The new new thing. 



Which must be the difference between

HDMI 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3. I understood 1.3 was the one true 7.1 digital audio etc is all about but you don't see a lot of reasonably priced units out that carry it. I'm going to hook this bad boy up tonight and hopefully get happy for a while. My only worry is my subwoofer is passive, so I might have to take steps tomorrow by buying a new one if this Onkyo doesn't drive a passive sub.

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2007, 06:46:49 PM »
Which must be the difference between

HDMI 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3. I understood 1.3 was the one true 7.1 digital audio etc is all about but you don't see a lot of reasonably priced units out that carry it. I'm going to hook this bad boy up tonight and hopefully get happy for a while. My only worry is my subwoofer is passive, so I might have to take steps tomorrow by buying a new one if this Onkyo doesn't drive a passive sub.

You could just buy an external amp for the sub.  There are several cheaper ones available.  Or you could just build one of these...

Rythmik Audio

Flat response down to 14Hz.  :o  That would blow out of the water anything you could purchase in a big box retailer.  In a 17.5 inch cube, sealed box.

Also, I was noticing that the next model Onkyo up from yours includes 1080p upconversion over HDMI for less than $700.  That is a hell of a deal.  Maybe I need to sell my 1016.  Upgradeitis sucks.


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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2007, 10:24:28 PM »
You could just buy an external amp for the sub.  There are several cheaper ones available.  Or you could just build one of these...

Rythmik Audio

Flat response down to 14Hz.  :o  That would blow out of the water anything you could purchase in a big box retailer.  In a 17.5 inch cube, sealed box.

Also, I was noticing that the next model Onkyo up from yours includes 1080p upconversion over HDMI for less than $700.  That is a Starkville of a deal.  Maybe I need to sell my 1016.  Upgradeitis sucks.



Got this bad boy working, everything took a about an hour or so to get hooked up but it all works so far. Right now it seems like the best $500 I've spent in a while...should have done it a long time ago. Got to figure out the 90 different sound settings and figure out which one works. A little bit of simple programming has to be done but nothing anyone half ass knowledgeable can't deal with.

As for the sub, I may look into the ext amp option, but for now I just dug out my old Aiwa powered sub, played Casino Royale tonight and it sounded pretty sweet. Still have a bit of tweaking to do but that's pretty natural with a new toy like this.

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2007, 02:30:03 PM »
I've got the 604...great receiver, but it does not upconvert all inputs over HDMI, which would be nice.  I thought I would point you to shoponkyo.com, where I bought a smaller refurb Onkyo for $100.  They have  a refurb 604 for $399, but I checked amazon for a new price, and they have a new one for $369, plus free shipping!  At that price, it's a steal.

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR604-7-1-Channel-Receiver/dp/B000HD7FGM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-8815319-4481704?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1173922563&sr=8-1

I haven't gotten all out yet but I am still wondering how the frick you hook an IPOD up to this 604, do you know? So far there has been one mention in the manual about it..."Apple Computers own the naming rights of IPOD etc, etc, etc" Nothing I've found mention the functionality of said device there after. There is no USB port so I'm assuming you have to have some kind of MIC input into it or something...I have to figure out if I've got something like that.

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2007, 03:23:13 PM »
I haven't gotten all out yet but I am still wondering how the frick you hook an IPOD up to this 604, do you know? So far there has been one mention in the manual about it..."Apple Computers own the naming rights of IPOD etc, etc, etc" Nothing I've found mention the functionality of said device there after. There is no USB port so I'm assuming you have to have some kind of MIC input into it or something...I have to figure out if I've got something like that.

To be honest with you, I don't know, since I am probably the last remaining human without an ipod.  I did find this, however...

http://www.4electronicwarehouse.com/connectionguides/ipod-mp3-player.html

I am sure you can check around and find something way cheaper than Monster.  You would think any new receiver would have a mini-jack on the front panel (the bastards).


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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2007, 03:36:05 PM »
I haven't gotten all out yet but I am still wondering how the frick you hook an IPOD up to this 604, do you know? So far there has been one mention in the manual about it..."Apple Computers own the naming rights of IPOD etc, etc, etc" Nothing I've found mention the functionality of said device there after. There is no USB port so I'm assuming you have to have some kind of MIC input into it or something...I have to figure out if I've got something like that.


Evidently, you plug this in, somehow. 

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Re: Question on Upconversions.
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2007, 08:28:21 PM »

Evidently, you plug this in, somehow. 

ri ipod dock

Yeah, I found a another scrap of paper but still yet no mention in the main users manuel, you got to buy a separate Onkyo device called a DS-A2 that will plug into the RI port in the back of the unit. Apparently this RI port is some new fangled technology I don't know much about but it's an accessory port for a crap load of stuff apparently. I may look into buying one if it's not too expensive but my life is not hanging by a thread looking for ways to use this fricking IPOD I just thought it curious that the features says something to the effect that you can hook your IPOD up to it...I assumed there would be some kind of IPOD port or something on the unit.

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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2007, 09:49:32 PM »
Frick the HD Programming, just buy this damn thing...it would pay for itself in under two years.

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Whenever I get a tv with HDMI I may buy something like this there are other products out on the market as well but this one seems to be at an acceptable price point.

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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2007, 09:17:46 PM »
Frick the HD Programming, just buy this damn thing...it would pay for itself in under two years.

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Whenever I get a tv with HDMI I may buy something like this there are other products out on the market as well but this one seems to be at an acceptable price point.

I'm quoting myself.




After reading the reviews, I think I've changed my mind. There are a lot of pissed off techno dicks on that forum at Gefen and the Gefen Techno geeks just keep saying there product is teh shit.

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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2007, 07:10:24 PM »
I'm quoting myself.




After reading the reviews, I think I've changed my mind. There are a lot of pissed off techno dicks on that forum at Gefen and the Gefen Techno geeks just keep saying there product is teh aMm.

There are others that, I am told, work quite a bit better.  They are a lot more $.  Try iscan dvdo.