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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10475 on: January 20, 2022, 08:46:14 AM »
chris low (espn) says briles will remain at arkansas.

bet some new contracts will be announced pretty soon.
Arkansas Athletics is about to get a lot more expensive.

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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10476 on: January 20, 2022, 09:56:18 AM »
We have great coordinators and unfortunately that means we have to pay to keep them.

The nice thing is neither one seems to have any desire to leave for another coordinator job.


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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10477 on: January 20, 2022, 10:07:58 AM »
Everyone talks about players wanting and getting a piece of the pie, but in college football more than any other sport, it is all about coaching.  Over and over and over again through the decades we see that coaches make all the difference n programs.  Whether it’s Saban at Alabama or Bill Snyder at Kansas State or post Petrino Arkansas one can see that a coach makes all the difference.

So with that said with football being the main reason a school like Arkansas has a $150 million a year athletic program and with a winning football team probably adding conservatively $15 to $20 million in revenue a year, can you blame a coach for wanting to get paid?  Is he not worth it if he wins?  Is going cheap on a coach who turns out to be unsuccessful it potentially the worst financial decision a school could make?


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« Reply #10478 on: January 20, 2022, 10:22:04 AM »
Everyone talks about players wanting and getting a piece of the pie, but in college football more than any other sport, it is all about coaching.  Over and over and over again through the decades we see that coaches make all the difference n programs.  Whether it’s Saban at Alabama or Bill Snyder at Kansas State or post Petrino Arkansas one can see that a coach makes all the difference.

So with that said with football being the main reason a school like Arkansas has a $150 million a year athletic program and with a winning football team probably adding conservatively $15 to $20 million in revenue a year, can you blame a coach for wanting to get paid?  Is he not worth it if he wins?  Is going cheap on a coach who turns out to be unsuccessful it potentially the worst financial decision a school could make?

The worst financial decision is spending big on a coach that doesn't win and then having to buy him out. 

By this logic, Pittman would've been a horrible hire as nobody wanted him as a head coach and he'd work for less than anyone in the league. 

As it pertains to keeping coaches that are currently winning, absolutely this makes sense.  They make huge salaries because they add huge amounts of revenue, winners are worth it.


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« Reply #10479 on: January 20, 2022, 10:30:17 AM »
The worst financial decision is spending big on a coach that doesn't win and then having to buy him out. 

By this logic, Pittman would've been a horrible hire as nobody wanted him as a head coach and he'd work for less than anyone in the league. 

As it pertains to keeping coaches that are currently winning, absolutely this makes sense.  They make huge salaries because they add huge amounts of revenue, winners are worth it.

Pittman got the job because no one else wanted it.  He got a low salary because he was a risk and he would do it for that.  But, he has proven himself.  Pay him.  Pay him well…very well.  And if he says he wants an assistant to stay, pay that assistant well.


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« Reply #10480 on: January 20, 2022, 10:33:55 AM »
Pittman got the job because no one else wanted it.  He got a low salary because he was a risk and he would do it for that.  But, he has proven himself.  Pay him.  Pay him well…very well.  And if he says he wants an assistant to stay, pay that assistant well.
absolutely. 

while i understand and agree with the coaching salaries being insane, i think it's equally insane to expect arkansas and it's second lowest paid coach in the sec, to be the ones to draw the line in the sand.  let some of those $10 million a year guys say "i'll take 8 instead".


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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10481 on: January 20, 2022, 10:38:19 AM »
absolutely. 

while i understand and agree with the coaching salaries being insane, i think it's equally insane to expect arkansas and it's second lowest paid coach in the sec, to be the ones to draw the line in the sand.  let some of those $10 million a year guys say "i'll take 8 instead".

And frankly, I’m not even sure that paying huge money for a guy who turns out bad is a terrible financial decision.  These schools seem to always find a way to pay the buyouts and new salaries.  It might be worth it to show that you are willing to pay big money than to get the reputation for being cheap.  Being cheap shows potential applicants for future jobs not only that they won’t make the money they might somewhere else but that your program either does not have the resources or is not willing to spend enough to compete at the highest levels.  Arkansas kind of fights that perception in the SEC west anyway.  We should be very careful about reinforcing it with lowball salaries.


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« Reply #10482 on: January 20, 2022, 10:54:34 AM »
Arkansas has to guard against it's past where we give raises for beating Texas, going 8 and whatever and so on. That being said Pittman and his staff deserve a very healthy raise at current market rates respective to their positions etc etc. That roughly translates to a lot of butt holes having to pucker up and pay. Muss will be holding his hand out next especially if he shits out a 25 win team this season out of this bunch of non-shooting sons of bitches.




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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10483 on: January 20, 2022, 11:12:27 AM »
Pittman got the job because no one else wanted it.  He got a low salary because he was a risk and he would do it for that.  But, he has proven himself.  Pay him.  Pay him well…very well.  And if he says he wants an assistant to stay, pay that assistant well.

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« Reply #10484 on: January 20, 2022, 11:13:09 AM »
I don’t know enough about exactly how Arkansas pays its coaches to be too well informed here, but we still pay our coaches everything over the state maximum of $300k almost exclusively through the RF don’t we?  And that RF money comes almost exclusively from donations and seat revenue right?

We make $50 to $60 million a year in TV revenue primarily because of football.  We need to figure a way to divert some of that to coaching salaries.  If it takes lobbying the legislature for a coaching salary carve out in the state employee max pay thing, then that is what needs to be done.  If we are limited solely to RF funds to cover coaching salaries, I could see us being at a big disadvantage to schools that can just make those part of the athletic department budget.

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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10485 on: January 20, 2022, 11:15:30 AM »
Arkansas has to guard against it's past where we give raises for beating Texas, going 8 and whatever and so on. That being said Pittman and his staff deserve a very healthy raise at current market rates respective to their positions etc etc. That roughly translates to a lot of butt holes having to pucker up and pay. Muss will be holding his hand out next especially if he shits out a 25 win team this season out of this bunch of non-shooting sons of bitches.

If Muss keeps selling out BWA every game that pays for itself quite easily. In basketball and baseball we really are elite in terms of program support and can afford to pay top dollar.


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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10486 on: January 20, 2022, 03:12:20 PM »
the market (sexton) sets the salary bar.
also factoring is what the schools are bringing in off TV deals which are fueled by football.

it's high stakes gambling - you spent hoping to hit 21 with the right coach, if not you go bust and hope your spending spree doesn't wipe you out financially but then you go back to the table eventually and do it all over again.

Amazing what happens when you're spending other people's money but it comes with conditions.

regardless, Sexton has college ADs by the balls and he ain't letting go.

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« Reply #10487 on: January 20, 2022, 03:26:02 PM »
the market (sexton) sets the salary bar.
also factoring is what the schools are bringing in off TV deals which are fueled by football.

it's high stakes gambling - you spent hoping to hit 21 with the right coach, if not you go bust and hope your spending spree doesn't wipe you out financially but then you go back to the table eventually and do it all over again.

Amazing what happens when you're spending other people's money but it comes with conditions.

regardless, Sexton has college ADs by the balls and he ain't letting go.

SEC television money is a never ending slot machine and we get more in television money than our entire athletic budget was fifteen years or so ago.


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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10488 on: January 20, 2022, 03:34:50 PM »
the new espn deal will bring in at least 300 million per year for the conference. 

no athletic department is going broke or getting wiped out.


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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10489 on: January 20, 2022, 03:44:37 PM »
the new espn deal will bring in at least 300 million per year for the conference. 

no athletic department is going broke or getting wiped out.

And like I said, Arkansas needs to figure out how to make that accessible for coaching salaries or we are going to get left in the dust for sure.


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« Reply #10490 on: January 20, 2022, 03:54:13 PM »
the new espn deal will bring in at least 300 million per year for the conference. 

no athletic department is going broke or getting wiped out.

and there are some who think we should leave the $EC

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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10491 on: January 20, 2022, 03:57:04 PM »
and there are some who think we should leave the $EC
joke's on them.

the sec quietly added a buy out clause last year.  it'll cost a cool $30 - 45 million to bail.


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« Reply #10492 on: January 20, 2022, 04:03:32 PM »
With the ESPN deal and bringing in Texas and OU we are looking at $60 million per year per school in TV money for SEC members. 


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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10493 on: January 20, 2022, 04:09:38 PM »
joke's on them.

the sec quietly added a buy out clause last year.  it'll cost a cool $30 - 45 million to bail.

Also in small print of the Godfather clause, a severed horse's head will end up in any school that wants to leave the SEC.

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« Reply #10494 on: January 20, 2022, 04:13:00 PM »
Also in small print of the Godfather clause, a severed horse's head will end up in any school that wants to leave the SEC.

Unless of course it’s A&M, and then it is a severed collie vagina.


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« Reply #10495 on: January 20, 2022, 05:08:05 PM »
It's probably unrealistic but I've got NO problem with us paying PITM AN 8/9 million a year AND whatever we need to pay to keep or get the coordinators and assistants he wants.  I'd just like to NOT pay 15-20 million if we have to fire him. 


If he really wants the job, anyone who wants to steal him and is able to persuade him to leave ought to be paying us 15-20 million dollars particularly if they are an SEC member.  A severance for termination on our part shouldn't have to be more than a full years salary and benefits.  It just seems unreasonable to be on the hook for more than that but with Jimma Speed Dial doing the negotiating I expect we won't be looking at anything resembling reasonable in a buyout clause.

Arkansas didn't need the NCAA Death Penalty.  We had JEFF LONG.

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« Reply #10496 on: January 20, 2022, 08:20:06 PM »
and there are some who think we should leave the $EC

More likely the SEC leaves the NCAA.

Damn Bobby Petrino!!!  What the Hell was he thinking?

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Re: Coaching Hot Seat & Changes
« Reply #10497 on: January 21, 2022, 07:14:33 AM »
Unless of course it’s A&M, and then it is a severed collie vagina butthole.

Fixed that for you.  The Collie fuckers have no care for vaginas of any kind.


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« Reply #10498 on: January 21, 2022, 09:15:17 AM »
Fixed that for you.  The Collie fuckers have no care for vaginas of any kind.
You’re both wrong.  That collie is a top; Aggies are the bottom.


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« Reply #10499 on: January 21, 2022, 10:04:21 AM »
You’re both wrong.  That collie is a top; Aggies are the bottom.

Speaking of Aggies...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For your Aggie halftime enjoyment in College Station… pic.twitter.com/VAuoBc6Phi</p>&mdash; Chris Gordy (@ChrisGordy) January 20, 2022 <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I'm really surprised none of you guys have posted about the absolute demolition of Miami fans on Twitter by pinto and Kendall Briles yesterday.  Good times.  Briles apparently turned down a 3 year deal with a huge raise to stay.