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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2015, 07:12:43 AM »
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2016, 05:22:34 AM »
Tiggers have had a lousy season and attendance is woeful, the blessings of playing  in the FedEx Forum isn't much of a blessing now:
http://blog.memphisdailynews.com/2016/02/memphis-magic-attendance-number-is-5305-for-sunday-vs-tulsa/
While No. 24 SMU dealt the University of Memphis another disappointing loss, 69-62, on Thursday, Feb. 25 at FedExForum, there was some hopeful news.

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The so-called turnstile count (or tickets actually scanned) eclipsed 8,300. The Tigers needed to average 6,812 fans – in the seats, not just paid-for tickets – over the last two home games to bring the season average up to 6,000 for the season and ensure the Tigers receive a portion of an $800,000 payment from the Memphis Grizzlies.

The U of M won’t get the full load, but if they can get 5,305 fans into the building for Senior Day vs. Tulsa on Sunday, Feb. 28 (3 p.m. start, by the way) they’ll make it and, according to multiple media reports, be in line for a payment in excess of $400,000.

The financial numbers might be what matter most now in a season that slipped a little farther away as the Tigers lost for the fourth time in their last five games. Their record fell to 15-13 overall, 6-9 in the American Athletic Conference.


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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2016, 07:52:55 AM »
They are in a conference now where teams can actually play basketball, instead of the joke that was CUSA. They won that conference every year and made the tournament because they didn't play anyone. Different scenario now.
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2016, 07:56:37 AM »
They are in a conference now where teams can actually play basketball, instead of the joke that was CUSA. They won that conference every year and made the tournament because they didn't play anyone. Different scenario now.
Yes, and it is damn glorious. 
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2016, 08:38:10 AM »
They will soon rethink the  "regional power" nonsense implemented by Calimari. They need all the help they can get to fill the FedEx Forum so I think the new AD will be much more receptive to non con games with Arkansas and Tenn on an every year basis. Arkansas will be good for a couple more thousand asses in the seats  even these days. I know one of their sponsors are on their ass about playing Arkansas again.  Games with Memphis have been possible but it's been tied to playing  them in home and homes in football. Ole Miss has been the example of that. Basketball has lost the cache to demand such arrangements now. I'd be all in their new AD's ear for a six year deal with us.
They are in a conference now where teams can actually play basketball, instead of the joke that was CUSA. They won that conference every year and made the tournament because they didn't play anyone. Different scenario now.

Some of those old CUSA teams that are in the AAC  are beating them on the reg now. It would have been real rough if the Catholics didn't bolt.
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2016, 12:06:15 PM »
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2016, 12:38:39 PM »
yeah, that AAC is basically the old CUSA anyways
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #57 on: February 29, 2016, 08:11:24 AM »
Yes, and it is damn glorious. 
2008 was intolerable...

It was worth seeing Memphis State make a run to the NCG just to watch them completely blow the game at the free throw line at the end of regulation.

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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #58 on: February 29, 2016, 10:05:46 AM »
It was worth seeing Memphis State make a run to the NCG just to watch them completely blow the game at the free throw line at the end of regulation.

It is also a perverse wonderful irony that Mario Chalmers is receiving cheers as our Grizzlies backup point guard. :dude2:
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2016, 05:24:44 PM »
Memphis is keeping Boy Wonder for another year. If they canned him, they are on the hook for 10.5 million. Some are saying Memphis can't afford to get rid of him for another season. It's not a buyout, he gets the full amount of his pay for each year left. How that scrub got that kind of contract is amazing.

Time for Mike to call about some games, Memphis is desperate for folks to show up so they don't have to start paying to play at the Forum instead of getting paid to. They will need teams that have local followings to help. Desperate times in Tigger land.

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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2016, 08:29:16 PM »
Memphis is keeping Boy Wonder for another year. If they canned him, they are on the hook for 10.5 million. Some are saying Memphis can't afford to get rid of him for another season. It's not a buyout, he gets the full amount of his pay for each year left. How that scrub got that kind of contract is amazing.

Time for Mike to call about some games, Memphis is desperate for folks to show up so they don't have to start paying to play at the Forum instead of getting paid to. They will need teams that have local followings to help. Desperate times in Tigger land.

Or AR and TN should ignore the phone calls and let them die a slow, painful, well deserved death. Better yet, cut a deal to play each other in Memphis.

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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2016, 09:11:26 PM »
Or AR and TN should ignore the phone calls and let them die a slow, painful, well deserved death. Better yet, cut a deal to play each other in Memphis.

Agreed.  Fuck those bastards. 

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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2016, 09:15:24 AM »
Playing in Memphis is advantageous to us regardless of who we play there.
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #63 on: March 04, 2016, 09:47:06 AM »
Playing in Memphis is advantageous to us regardless of who we play there.

Historically, I'd say the same. Memphis is always gonna have a few high level players but the top AAU teams in Memphis have been reaching into Arkansas for talent the last several years. Beard, Allen, KJ Hill, Andre Jones, Khalil Garland, I'm sure I'm missing someone...but all these guys played AAU for Memphis based teams.
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #64 on: March 23, 2016, 07:08:15 PM »
So not only does Pastner have the largest known buyout  but if they fired hi, he gets the whole amount even if he gets  a new job. From the CA:

When University of Memphis Athletic Director Tom Bowen negotiated head basketball coach Josh Pastner's now-infamous contract in 2013 on behalf of the school, he needed no introduction to the coach's agent.

Fort Smith, Ark., attorney Joey McCutchen's NextLevel Sports agency represented Bowen while he was athletic director at San Jose State and arranged Bowen's hiring at the U of M in 2012, the athletic director said.

Now, with the basketball program reeling from the Tigers' near-collapse on the court this season and a sea of empty seats at FedExForum, questions are surfacing about Bowen's relationship to NextLevel Sports and whether it influenced the generous terms of Pastner's contract — a deal that would pay the coach up to $10.6 million were he fired.

U of M President M. David Rudd said Tuesday in a statement the school is investigating conflict-of-interest allegations that have circulated in recent weeks about Bowen.

"The University of Memphis has been made aware of the accusations, and in accordance with University and TBR (Tennessee Board of Regent) policies, will immediately launch a comprehensive investigation,'' Rudd's written statement read. "The University is in the process of retaining an outside source to conduct the review. Upon completion, a public statement will be made concerning the findings.''

Bowen denied any conflict in an interview earlier this month with The Commercial Appeal, saying he severed NextLevel's representation after he was hired by the U of M in 2012.

"NextLevel and I agreed that I'll no longer need any representation. I didn't want any issues. And so I just resigned,'' Bowen told the newspaper.

A year after signing Pastner's contract, Bowen hosted the 2014 College Athletic Leadership Symposium, a gathering of athletic directors and coaches produced by NextLevel Sports. Bowen has been a frequent speaker at the annual event, though McCutchen said Bowen has received no pay.

Bowen said his ties to NextLevel did not influence his handling of Pastner's contract, which includes a buyout clause that would pay the coach his $2.65 million annual salary in monthly installments through April 2020 if he's fired.

"No. No sir. And I resent the thought of that even being considered,'' Bowen said in a brief interview on March 4 before he quit returning a reporter's phone calls.

The university has not filled an open records request filed by the newspaper on March 9 seeking emails and other written communication between the school and NextLevel.

U of M policy requires employees "to avoid activities and situations that, either actually or potentially, put personal interests ahead of the professional obligations that they owe the University.'' Employees are required to make "full disclosure'' of potential or actual conflicts in writing. Records released by the university gave no indication whether Bowen, who's paid more than $416,000 a year, disclosed his relationship with NextLevel.

One expert in sports management ethics said Bowen's dilemma at the very least poses a public relations problem for the university.

"It has the appearance of a conflict of interest. That's especially true when it's such a favorable contract,'' said Walter T. Champion, a professor of sports law at the Thurgood Marshall School of Law at Texas Southern University who co-authored a 2012 book, Sports Ethics for Sports Management Professionals.

"I mean it looks to some people that, you know, you're helping out your agent or your ex-agent in giving his guy a great contract.''

The concern takes on added significance given last week's developments: Despite missing postseason play for the second year in a row, the U of M retained Pastner amid wide speculation the school simply couldn't afford to fire him and hire a new coach.

In a March 13 email, McCutchen acknowledged representing Pastner "in all his negotiations with the University of Memphis,'' describing NextLevel Sports as an agency that "represents a number of collegiate coaches.'' The agency has represented a few athletic directors in the past, but currently has none, he wrote. He listed two NextLevel principals: himself and Tulsa, Okla., sports businessman Will Reece.

McCutchen did not say directly in his email whether he has represented Bowen.

"I am not presently the agent for Tom Bowen and refer all questions regarding Mr. Bowen to him, as I do not think, for confidentiality reasons, it is appropriate for me to discuss any prior relationship with Tom Bowen,'' McCutchen wrote.

"Suffice it to say, any professional relationship I might have had with Tom Bowen was fully vetted, before any negotiations took place, with the University of Memphis. University Counsel Sheri Lipman, who is now a United States District Judge, as well Dr. Shirley Raines, who was President of the University of Memphis at time of the 2013 negotiations, were intimately involved in the Pastner contract process when Coach Pastner's 2013 contract was negotiated. The University of Memphis had multiple reputable individuals, in addition to AD Tom Bowen, involved in the negotiation process during the 2013 negotiation process, as it did in the negotiations both before and after.''

Raines and Lipman have declined interviews to discuss the negotiations.

In a six-sentence email on March 11, Raines said there was little more that she could add.

"With Coach Pastner's offer from another university, Tom Bowen and other university personnel negotiated a contract I signed. It did not match the offer from the other university,'' Raines wrote. "The recommendation and intention were to keep Josh. It was felt that there was a lot of fan and donor support to keep Coach Pastner.''

Though Bowen was quoted in 2013 as saying no school had asked permission to interview Pastner, that he only wanted to be "proactive" in locking the coach into a long-term extension, he has given a different account, with greater detail, in recent interviews.

The athletic director said on March 4 Pastner had an offer from a Power Five school that the U of M couldn't match. As a result, the university essentially converted Pastner's five-year contract to a seven-year contract, adding language that automatically renewed the deal in 2014 and 2015, Bowen said.

"We couldn't match the dollars. So that's why we came up with the years,'' he said, emphasizing the deal had support from administration and top boosters.

"I had conversations with all the major donors … and at the time three years ago they wanted him to be the coach at Memphis,'' Bowen said.

He said he is particularly disappointed Raines has not agreed to discuss details of the negotiations.

"I'm surprised she didn't talk to anybody and why she didn't say anything. I'm really disappointed. I was really disappointed. I mean, because they just kind of left me out there. I'm the one guy that tells the truth and catching all the arrows? I'm catching a lot of arrows. I'm getting really crucified.''

Raines said in a one-sentence follow-up email Tuesday, "I do not have anything to add to my reply which I sent to you on March 11.''

McCutchen, the agent, said in his email that neither Bowen nor any other athletic director or coach has been paid for participating in NextLevel's annual professional development symposium, which was held at the The Peabody in 2014.

"NextLevel Sports has NEVER made any payment to a collegiate coach, athletic director or university personnel, whether it related to CALS or otherwise,'' McCutchen wrote.

In fairness, McCutchen wrote, Pastner's contract followed a precedent set under former Athletic Director R.C. Johnson. He pointed to former football coach Justin Fuente's May 2012 contract, which did not require him to offset or mitigate payments promised by the university had he been fired and then got a new job. Language in Fuente's and Pastner's contracts promised payments after termination without cause as "liquidated damages.''

"With regard to Coach Pastner's 2013 contract, while mitigation or offset language might be the norm at some schools, it WAS NOT before Coach Pastner's 2013 contract and IS NOT the University of Memphis norm when in it comes to 'liquidated damages' and mitigation language with head coaches in major sports,'' McCutchen wrote.

However, Pastner's potential buyout grew so large for a couple reasons. One, Fuente's buyout was calculated based on 70 percent of his salary; Pastner's is 100 percent. The number of years of payments, grew, too, when Pastner's contract was essentially converted from five to seven years.

Regarding the liquidated damages provision in Pastner's contract that allows him to continue receiving his $2.65 million salary if fired, Bowen said he didn't know how that provision got in the contract.

"I wasn't part of that. I wasn't part of those discussions. I just wasn't.''
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2016, 11:52:50 AM »
Sounds like a case for Darby Shaw and Gray Grantham.

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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2016, 12:12:39 PM »
Is anything not corrupt in Memphis?
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2016, 12:23:30 PM »
Is anything not corrupt in Memphis?

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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2016, 02:17:16 PM »
aren't we losing an instate kid to the shitshow that is mefis state?  :suicide:

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« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2016, 02:29:53 PM »
Somehow, yes.
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2016, 02:55:35 PM »
Somehow, yes.
Which of our signees are worse than the kid going to Tiger High they we made a mistake signing?
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« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2016, 03:02:12 PM »
Which of our signees are worse than the kid going to Tiger High they we made a mistake signing?

Garland is a '17 commit. Only commit we have for that class (I think) is Gafford.

If you're asking to compare him to our '16 commits, the only viable comparison is Macon. Macon is a better shooter but Garland is better at getting to the rim and defense. Garland isn't a bad shooter. It's just that Macon is an exceptional shooter. The knack on Macon was his defense. Hopefully that's improved.
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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2016, 03:06:44 PM »
Which of our signees are worse than the kid going to Tiger High they we made a mistake signing?


Wait, who made the mistake?

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Re: LOL Memphis (Tiger High)
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2016, 03:47:34 PM »
Garland is a '17 commit. Only commit we have for that class (I think) is Gafford.

If you're asking to compare him to our '16 commits, the only viable comparison is Macon. Macon is a better shooter but Garland is better at getting to the rim and defense. Garland isn't a bad shooter. It's just that Macon is an exceptional shooter. The knack on Macon was his defense. Hopefully that's improved.
Thanks. I didn't know who the kid was and just thought he was a '16 recruit.

For '17 we have commits from Gafford and the kid from Mills so far.
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« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2016, 03:56:27 PM »
Thanks. I didn't know who the kid was and just thought he was a '16 recruit.

For '17 we have commits from Gafford and the kid from Mills so far.

That's right, forgot about Hall.

Wish I knew more about Bailey and Cook coming in next year. Those guys are really the key to how good we will be. I think we can compete in the backcourt with most everyone next year. Question is gonna be front court depth. Moses and Thompson should only get better. I can't imagine Bailey and Cook being any less effective than Miles and Kouassi were this year. That's my glass half full approach...
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