Benintendi in the Big Show

[allswell]

he's been killing it last 2 games

[Thin Red Swine]

he's been killing it last 2 games

Really, about 2 weeks. 

The last two games, he batted cleanup in front of Hanley and thrived there. 

[allswell]

7may
still. .  .

[allswell]

1st multi-hr game of his career today vs orioles

[allswell]

6-10 last 2 games with a homer, 4 rbis(one of which was a walkoff, game-winning single in the 11th inning vs pirates)

he also gunned down howie kendrick, who tried to score from 1st base on a deep fly off the green monster, in the 8th inning to keep the game tied and allow it to go extra innings

[authorhawgerelli]

Arm = Cannonesque

Hair = flowing like the mighty Mississippi

Benny Baseball.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/06/andrew_benintendis_91-mph_237-.html

[Rick B.]

Arm = Cannonesque

Hair = flowing like the mighty Mississippi

Benny Baseball.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/06/andrew_benintendis_91-mph_237-.html

I hated and loved him in that exact moment.

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[Show-Me Hog]

Arm = Cannonesque

Hair = flowing like the mighty Mississippi

Benny Baseball.

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2017/06/andrew_benintendis_91-mph_237-.html

It was a nice throw, but there is no possibility it was going 91 MPH. It takes the most elite pitchers in the game every bit of leg and trunk effort to throw a baseball 91 MPH for 60 feet. Plus, the ole eye test placed the throw at about 75 MPH.

[Thin Red Swine]

Don't think that was 91, but it was a really nice throw.

[BrandonN004]

do the math, v = d/t correct? I would assume that's what the guy did, calculated where it was thrown from and how long it took to get to the plate

[bogey7]

No need to bring that Egyptian hieroglyphic math into the discussion

[Clark]

You think an elite outfielder with a crow hop can't spin it over 90? Gtfo.

[CharlieHog]

You think an elite outfielder with a crow hop can't spin it over 90? Gtfo.

Seriously. A pitcher is starting from a STATIONARY position.

[Rick B.]

do the math, v = d/t correct? I would assume that's what the guy did, calculated where it was thrown from and how long it took to get to the plate

So watching the video, it appears at BEST the time is 2.5 seconds.  The distance is approximately 280 feet in my estimation looking at the fence depths of Minute Maid Park.  So the AVERAGE velocity of the ball across that distance would be:   280 ft. x 60 seconds/min x 60 min/hr divided by 2.5 seconds x 5280 ft/mile = (280 x 3600)/(2.5 x 5280) = 76.3 mph.  Now, that's the AVERAGE speed over the 280 feet.  The ball slows in it's trajectory.  Using a distance of 280 ft and a launch angle of 15 degrees, the initial velocity actually calculates out to be 91 mph.  So Vi = 91 mph, Vav = 76.3 mph, Vf = 61 mph.  Just a little physics involved.

[CharlieHog]

So watching the video, it appears at BEST the time is 2.5 seconds.  The distance is approximately 280 feet in my estimation looking at the fence depths of Minute Maid Park.  So the AVERAGE velocity of the ball across that distance would be:   280 ft. x 60 seconds/min x 60 min/hr divided by 2.5 seconds x 5280 ft/mile = (280 x 3600)/(2.5 x 5280) = 76.3 mph.  Now, that's the AVERAGE speed over the 280 feet.  The ball slows in it's trajectory.  Using a distance of 280 ft and a launch angle of 15 degrees, the initial velocity actually calculates out to be 91 mph.  So Vi = 91 mph, Vav = 76.3 mph, Vf = 61 mph.  Just a little physics involved.

/they did the math
/they did the monster math

 

[Show-Me Hog]

So watching the video, it appears at BEST the time is 2.5 seconds.  The distance is approximately 280 feet in my estimation looking at the fence depths of Minute Maid Park.  So the AVERAGE velocity of the ball across that distance would be:   280 ft. x 60 seconds/min x 60 min/hr divided by 2.5 seconds x 5280 ft/mile = (280 x 3600)/(2.5 x 5280) = 76.3 mph.  Now, that's the AVERAGE speed over the 280 feet.  The ball slows in it's trajectory.  Using a distance of 280 ft and a launch angle of 15 degrees, the initial velocity actually calculates out to be 91 mph.  So Vi = 91 mph, Vav = 76.3 mph, Vf = 61 mph.  Just a little physics involved.

I went simpler than all that.  I timed it 5 times and most favorably to Benitindi, it looks to be about 2.3 seconds. I took the 237 feet from the headline.

237 feet in 2.3 seconds 103.04 ft/sec.

Times 3600 (the number of seconds in an hour, that's 370,956.52 ft/hr.

Divided by 5280, the number of feet in a mile, that's 70.26 MPH.

Which also is pretty close to my initial eyeball test of 75 MPH.

[Rick B.]

I went simpler than all that.  I timed it 5 times and most favorably to Benitindi, it looks to be about 2.3 seconds. I took the 237 feet from the headline.

237 feet in 2.3 seconds 103.04 ft/sec.

Times 3600 (the number of seconds in an hour, that's 370,956.52 ft/hr.

Divided by 5280, the number of feet in a mile, that's 70.26 MPH.

Which also is pretty close to my initial eyeball test of 75 MPH.

Your 75 matches up well with my 76.3 mph.  But that's AVERAGE velocity over the flight of the ball.  The ball decelerates from the moment it leaves Benintendi's hand.  Using the calculation I did with your 75 mph average velocity gives 90 mph beginning velocity and 60 mph final velocity.  BINGO.

[Show-Me Hog]

Your 75 matches up well with my 76.3 mph.  But that's AVERAGE velocity over the flight of the ball.  The ball decelerates from the moment it leaves Benintendi's hand.  Using the calculation I did with your 75 mph average velocity gives 90 mph beginning velocity and 60 mph final velocity.  BINGO.

True enough, but I don't think you can use "initial velocity" as an important measure. When you say a pitcher throws the ball 90 MPH, that means for the whole 60'6", not the first five feet.

So when the headline of the article says he threw 237 feet at 91 MPH, that's just wrong.

[Splurge]

True enough, but I don't think you can use "initial velocity" as an important measure. When you say a pitcher throws the ball 90 MPH, that means for the whole 60'6", not the first five feet.

So when the headline of the article says he threw 237 feet at 91 MPH, that's just wrong.

Not sure why you are going on this rant, but just stop.  Your pitcher comparison:  they always say so-and-so "hit 91 on the gun".  These are baseball people or journalist wearing carpenter jorts with Crocs that couldn't find jobs in better paying fields.  They're not trying to do linguistic gymnastics.  They take the math that the nerds do and are usually pretty lost in the math and as a result, over summarize it.  The throw hit 91 mph (and decelerated due to drag and air friction) and it was a former Hog.  Be happy about it. 

[authorhawgerelli]

True enough, but I don't think you can use "initial velocity" as an important measure. When you say a pitcher throws the ball 90 MPH, that means for the whole 60'6", not the first five feet.

So when the headline of the article says he threw 237 feet at 91 MPH, that's just wrong.

The velocity the ball travels in the first 60.5 feet is what a pitcher is measured at when calculating  his pitch's velocity.  Possibly the same thing to consider with Benny Baseball, because just a slight contradiction to the red headed physicist (who knows a whole lot more about this than I do), the ball actually will reach maximum velocity a few feet away from the the thrower's body (I can't remember the estimation), and then decelerate.  I studied speed training for humans, not baseballs, and I do remember, vaguely, that a human will accelerate for only a short distance, and the "fastest" humans are those he decelerate the "slowest."  Has to be similar to a thrown object, I would think. 

[CharlieHog]

Of course a thrown object decelerates.

[authorhawgerelli]

Not sure why you are going on this rant, but just stop.  Your pitcher comparison:  they always say so-and-so "hit 91 on the gun".  These are baseball people or journalist wearing carpenter jorts with Crocs that couldn't find jobs in better paying fields.  They're not trying to do linguistic gymnastics.  They take the math that the nerds do and are usually pretty lost in the math and as a result, over summarize it.  The throw hit 91 mph (and decelerated due to drag and air friction) and it was a former Hog.  Be happy about it.

Exactly. 

Seems like when Shawon Dunston became the Cubs shortstop back in the 80's, they were saying his throws to first base were over 110 MPH.  Of course, he had the advantage of running into the throw etc.  I have no clue if they were using a radar gun, or using RickB's Physics Phormulas. 

[Rick B.]

Has to be similar to a thrown object, I would think.

No.  Just no.  Just stop it. 

[Show-Me Hog]

The velocity the ball travels in the first 60.5 feet is what a pitcher is measured at when calculating  his pitch's velocity.  Possibly the same thing to consider with Benny Baseball, because just a slight contradiction to the red headed physicist (who knows a whole lot more about this than I do), the ball actually will reach maximum velocity a few feet away from the the thrower's body (I can't remember the estimation), and then decelerate.  I studied speed training for humans, not baseballs, and I do remember, vaguely, that a human will accelerate for only a short distance, and the "fastest" humans are those he decelerate the "slowest."  Has to be similar to a thrown object, I would think.

We have muscles that accelerate -- either us, or a baseball. We stop accelerating a baseball the second we let go of it.

[Show-Me Hog]

Not sure why you are going on this rant, but just stop.  Your pitcher comparison:  they always say so-and-so "hit 91 on the gun".  These are baseball people or journalist wearing carpenter jorts with Crocs that couldn't find jobs in better paying fields.  They're not trying to do linguistic gymnastics.  They take the math that the nerds do and are usually pretty lost in the math and as a result, over summarize it.  The throw hit 91 mph (and decelerated due to drag and air friction) and it was a former Hog.  Be happy about it.

The rant came from my initial reaction, which was if a great pitcher can only throw a baseball 91 MPH for 60 feet, no way an outfielder can throw it 91 MPH for 200+ feet. In my mind, I was using a whole-distance speed right from the beginning and knew it didn't make sense. Sometimes I rant about things when I know they don't make sense. (A feature of getting old, not a bug).

Rant over though.