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Re: MLB 2016/2017 Offseason and Hot Stove
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2016, 11:32:20 AM »
Desmond to Rockies. Cubs will get the Cardinals first rounder so I hope they overpay on Fowler. Not sure how Davis for Soler straight up is selling low. You Cardinals fuckwits were saying Soler had limited trade value before last season. A top 5 closer for a guy who isn't an everyday player and is not good defensively. I'll take. Still have Happ and Jimenez and all the other young pitchers.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2016, 11:35:09 AM »
Desmond to Rockies. Cubs will get the Cardinals first rounder so I hope they overpay on Fowler. Not sure how Davis for Soler straight up is selling low. You Cardinals fuckwits were saying Soler had limited trade value before last season. A top 5 closer for a guy who isn't an everyday player and is not good defensively. I'll take. Still have Happ and Jimenez and all the other young pitchers.
Don't recall ever saying that about Soler, but what do I know, I'm apparently a fuckwit. 
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2016, 11:38:02 AM »
Desmond to Rockies. Cubs will get the Cardinals first rounder so I hope they overpay on Fowler. Not sure how Davis for Soler straight up is selling low. You Cardinals fuckwits were saying Soler had limited trade value before last season. A top 5 closer for a guy who isn't an everyday player and is not good defensively. I'll take. Still have Happ and Jimenez and all the other young pitchers.
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Selling off an unproven prospect is usually going to have a bit more value than selling off a prospect after a disappointing year, but fair enough.

I'm concerned on Wade Davis's health. Keeping Happ was a win, for sure.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2016, 12:16:41 PM »
Cubs are kicking the tires on Holland too. Looks like no one wants to live in St. Louis half the year. Can't really blame them.
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2016, 12:27:25 PM »
Cubs are kicking the tires on Holland too. Looks like no one wants to live in St. Louis half the year. Can't really blame them.
Cards rumor circling Davis was from one source and it was centered around Cain.
I haven't seen anything with the Cardinals and Holland, nor have I seen anything about guys avoiding St Louis, so I'm not sure what you're on about.
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2016, 01:01:17 PM »
Cardinals will now have to commit over $70MM to Fowler.
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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2016, 01:17:42 PM »
Some of the Dyson rumors are heating back up. Time is a flat circle.
That is my preference behind Cain of all of the Desmond/Fowler/Blackmon/Eaton names.
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2016, 01:44:25 PM »
Cardinals will now have to commit over $70MM to Fowler.
I hate you and all you stand for....that being said I'm afraid Cards are going to over pay for Fowler. 
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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2016, 01:50:42 PM »
All these guys are overpaid. I think Fowler only played something like 124 games last year. He'll probably show more power in St. Louis though.
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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2016, 01:53:03 PM »
I'd expect power numbers to drop slightly away from Wrigley?

Regardless, I've seen nothing as evidence of that being even close to a done deal.
We just know he's one of their top targets, but the Blue Jays are throwing money at him, too.
We don't usually win those battles.

I'm still pissed Mo didn't make David Price happen last year. He could've gotten that done.
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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2016, 02:09:24 PM »
I'd expect power numbers to drop slightly away from Wrigley?

Regardless, I've seen nothing as evidence of that being even close to a done deal.
We just know he's one of their top targets, but the Blue Jays are throwing money at him, too.
We don't usually win those battles.

I'm still pissed Mo didn't make David Price happen last year. He could've gotten that done.
I've heard that Toronto is throwing similar numbers as STL but the tax rate in Canada is souring the deal.  Just do something. Paralysis by analysis.
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2016, 02:44:35 PM »
Wrigley is a pitchers park most of the time. Wind blows in 70%. A lot of Fowler's homers are hit extremely high. He would hit more homes in St. Louis.
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2016, 02:47:00 PM »
I've heard that Toronto is throwing similar numbers as STL but the tax rate in Canada is souring the deal.  Just do something. Paralysis by analysis.

I was high on Fowler in the beginning but it sounds like the Cards already offered 4 for 60 and didn't get it done.  I would rather not keep chasing. He's an older more productive Heyward without the +D. Otherwise, I do like the prospect of Dyson, or someone like that who could add a real speed dynamic atop the order and probably offer better D than Fowler.  I think MO might just want a 1 year stop gap in CF with Bader projected to be a year away.  But please find someone other than Griguk for CF.

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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2016, 02:57:13 PM »
I was high on Fowler in the beginning but it sounds like the Cards already offered 4 for 60 and didn't get it done.  I would rather not keep chasing. He's an older more productive Heyward without the +D. Otherwise, I do like the prospect of Dyson, or someone like that who could add a real speed dynamic atop the order and probably offer better D than Fowler.  I think MO might just want a 1 year stop gap in CF with Bader projected to be a year away.  But please find someone other than Griguk for CF.
More productive than Heyward? Don't go too far out on a limb there. .393 OBP and .840 OPS from the lead off spot is pretty fucking productive.

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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2016, 02:58:18 PM »
The knock was his D but I thought he did a pretty good job in center.
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2016, 02:59:24 PM »
He's just not going to suddenly hit more HR's in StL. The power's not there.
His career high is 17 in 2015. He'll be 31 in March and his younger years were all played in Colorado, where he hit double digit HR's twice.
He's hit 30+ doubles once at Coors.

I'm also a skeptic of his improved D. Heyward made him look better among other things.

That being said, he appears to be good teammate and his seasons in Wrigley and Houston pretty much put any concerns over Coors-inflated numbers to bed.

We'll see how it all plays out though.
I could just as much see a deal go through for Cain or Eaton.
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2016, 03:01:03 PM »
The knock was his D but I thought he did a pretty good job in center.
To be fair, the knock was the advance metrics. He's always had above average base numbers and has never "looked" like a butcher in the field.

I do think the improvement in the metrics had quite a bit to do with leaving Denver and especially positioning. Playing next to Heyward helped a lot since he could cheat back and towards left.

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« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2016, 03:17:18 PM »
I have a hard time believing that Mo will sign Fowler if it's in the $70 mil range when you further couple that with the loss of a 1st round pick.  I'd rather see Eaton or Blackmon.  Cain would be okay, but I worry about injuries with him.  I don't see anything to get excited about in Dyson.  I guess he fits the bill defensively, but he hamstrings you offensively.  As I think about it, he's probably Mo's target based on my evaluation.  Mo refuses to sign anyone who doesn't have one great ability that isn't offset by an equal deficiency.

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« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2016, 03:21:11 PM »
More productive than Heyward? Don't go too far out on a limb there. .393 OBP and .840 OPS from the lead off spot is pretty fucking productive.

Looks pretty fukn close to heywards 2015 numbers. I expect fowler to start trending down offensively from his career numbers.

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« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2016, 03:29:11 PM »
NOLA serious questions.  Why did the Cubs get John Jay?  Did he show much with the Padres?  When he was a Cardinal he was one of the best at striking out with men in scoring position.

No idea because they have a cheaper and potentially better version of him in Almora .
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« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2016, 03:44:02 PM »
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There are concerns over Eaton's defensive work in CF, too.
Guessing Washington just plan on moving him over to replace Werth after 2017.
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« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2016, 03:46:53 PM »
I have a hard time believing that Mo will sign Fowler if it's in the $70 mil range when you further couple that with the loss of a 1st round pick.  I'd rather see Eaton or Blackmon.  Cain would be okay, but I worry about injuries with him.  I don't see anything to get excited about in Dyson.  I guess he fits the bill defensively, but he hamstrings you offensively.  As I think about it, he's probably Mo's target based on my evaluation.  Mo refuses to sign anyone who doesn't have one great ability that isn't offset by an equal deficiency.
The Peter Bourjos effect. 

Blackmon will be a high price, he had his career year last year. 
Year    Team        AVG    OBP    SLG    OPS    GO/AO
2011    COL       .255    .277    .296    .573    1.13
2012    COL       .283    .325    .407    .732    1.30
2013    COL       .309    .336    .467    .803    1.03
2014    COL        .288    .335    .440    .775    0.88
2015    COL       .287    .347    .450    .797    0.87
2016    COL       .324    .381    .552    .933    0.77
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« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2016, 03:49:08 PM »
Bourjos will be who I forever think of when people say to put the ball on the ground to players that run well.
Molitor did this to Buxton and almost literally admitted he fucked him up after he ripped off 8 or 9 HR's late last year.
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« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2016, 03:49:10 PM »
Does anybody but Mo really love Wong?  I don't think Matheny really likes him.   
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« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2016, 03:50:43 PM »
I definitely think Mo is forcing him onto Matheny and it's because he has talent and is solid defensively.
When he's been given consistent playing time, he's excelled. Matheny has yanked him around all over the place.
Matheny's management of Wong and a few other younger guys has been awful.
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