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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #125 on: November 14, 2017, 03:16:17 PM »
On defense, it IS a talent issue.

And the talent we're lacking is speed.  We have a little bit of speed on offense at the skill positions and that's it.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #126 on: November 14, 2017, 08:37:42 PM »
And the talent we're lacking is speed.  We have a little bit of speed on offense at the skill positions and that's it.
Agree.  Speed and general toughness. 


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #127 on: November 14, 2017, 08:47:09 PM »
I think we have a lot of speed on offense, it's just either being mis-used or on the bench. Nance, Martin, Jones, Warren, Hammonds, Hayden, etc....

Not counting that stock of tight ends with Patton, Gragg, O'grady, and the right coach will be average 35 ppg next year.


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #128 on: November 14, 2017, 08:52:07 PM »
And the talent we're lacking is speed.  We have a little bit of speed on offense at the skill positions and that's it.

I don't get the complaint RE: lack of speed on defense. 

Curl and Tolliver are plenty fast to play CB.  Harris, Greenlaw, and Ramsey are fast enough for their positions.  Agim is fast for a DL.  I'll grant you that our safeties aren't fast, but that's about it. 

Speed isn't the problem.  Inability to play football is the problem.  That's the coaches' job to figure out how to fix.  When you're consistently out of position or being asked to cover multiple receivers at once, you're going to naturally appear to be slow. 


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #129 on: November 14, 2017, 09:17:08 PM »
I don't get the complaint RE: lack of speed on defense. 

Curl and Tolliver are plenty fast to play CB.  Harris, Greenlaw, and Ramsey are fast enough for their positions.  Agim is fast for a DL.  I'll grant you that our safeties aren't fast, but that's about it. 

Speed isn't the problem.  Inability to play football is the problem.  That's the coaches' job to figure out how to fix.  When you're consistently out of position or being asked to cover multiple receivers at once, you're going to naturally appear to be slow.

Just think how faster they would be if conditioned to max that speed.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #130 on: November 14, 2017, 09:46:28 PM »
I truly believe we have enough talent on hand to win ten games.

Give us a coach with half an inkling for how to scheme and use talent and we could be right back to where Bobby left off.

I am not claiming I am right, I am saying I don't get it.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #131 on: November 14, 2017, 09:57:30 PM »
I truly believe we have enough talent on hand to win ten games.

Give us a coach with half an inkling for how to scheme and use talent and we could be right back to where Bobby left off.
I don’t.  Talent level is bad on this team.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #132 on: November 14, 2017, 10:36:06 PM »
I don’t.  Talent level is bad on this team.

Seriously, how can anyone know if we have good players or not? Bert can’t even tell who the best kicker is on this team. How the hell can a coach watch Limpert and Hedlund kick and not tell who should start? It ain’t that hard.


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #133 on: November 14, 2017, 10:37:48 PM »
Seriously, how can anyone know if we have good players or not? Bert can’t even tell who the best kicker is on this team. How the hell can a coach watch Limpert and Hedlund kick and not tell who should start? It ain’t that hard.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #134 on: November 15, 2017, 12:03:14 AM »
I think the defensw haa talent, but they don't play well together at all. One or more guys always half asses it on any given play.

That's coaching.


Also, Greenlaw and others may have regressed because they've been herberted. When you got to depend on Bert and Herb for player development.


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #135 on: November 15, 2017, 05:55:01 AM »
I think the defensw haa talent, but they don't play well together at all. One or more guys always half asses it on any given play.

That's coaching.


Also, Greenlaw and others may have regressed because they've been herberted. When you got to depend on Bert and Herb for player development.


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #136 on: November 15, 2017, 06:33:45 AM »
Seriously, how can anyone know if we have good players or not? Bert can’t even tell who the best kicker is on this team. How the hell can a coach watch Limpert and Hedlund kick and not tell who should start? It ain’t that hard.

It's difficult for me to tell if we have talent or not when I see CC OL just push the shit out of our DL; when I see Bama RB's that are 230 lb's out run our DB's (is that because they are faster or because our DBs just gave up?); when I see any and all DL just abuse our OL (is that coaching or is that just lack of talent?); when I see our D's never within 10 yds of a WR (is that coaching or is it that they just can't cover anybody?)

I think it's a combination of talent AND coaching....we just don't have enough of either.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #137 on: November 15, 2017, 07:39:26 AM »
Strictly basing this of recruitment rankings, the Hogs have the talent to win 7+games year over year. The inability to hire coaches to improve said talent is hurting. Also, Donuts lack of flexibility kills this team.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #138 on: November 15, 2017, 08:22:34 AM »
Strictly basing this of recruitment rankings, the Hogs have the talent to win 7+games year over year. The inability to hire coaches to improve said talent is hurting. Also, Donuts lack of flexibility kills this team.

Not at you but for everyone.

Basing a W/L projection on recruiting rankings is about the dumbest thing the average person does in college football.

Mack Brown was never a terrible coach.
Pete Carroll didn't "lose his shine".
Les Miles does not suck.
Mark Richt was never a bad or even average coach.
Gus doesn't suck bc his teams win 8-9 a year.

People who do this are ignorant.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #139 on: November 15, 2017, 08:23:49 AM »
Not at you but for everyone.

Basing a W/L projection on recruiting rankings is about the dumbest thing the average person does in college football.

Mack Brown was never a terrible coach.
Pete Carroll didn't "lose his shine".
Les Miles does not suck.
Mark Richt was never a bad or even average coach.
Gus doesn't suck bc his teams win 8-9 a year.

People who do this are ignorant.
As of today Gus has exactly 1 season where he won more than 8 games.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #140 on: November 15, 2017, 08:43:34 AM »
I truly believe we have enough talent on hand to win ten games.

Give us a coach with half an inkling for how to scheme and use talent and we could be right back to where Bobby left off.

You may be right but I just don’t see it. Coastal Carolina pushed us around. I don’t care how shitty your coaching is by sheer talent alone an SEC team should easily handle a team that was blown out by Arkansas St.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #141 on: November 15, 2017, 08:51:24 AM »
As of today Gus has exactly 1 season where he won more than 8 games.
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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #142 on: November 15, 2017, 08:55:32 AM »
Not at you but for everyone.

Basing a W/L projection on recruiting rankings is about the dumbest thing the average person does in college football.

Mack Brown was never a terrible coach.
Pete Carroll didn't "lose his shine".
Les Miles does not suck.
Mark Richt was never a bad or even average coach.
Gus doesn't suck bc his teams win 8-9 a year.

People who do this are ignorant.

Arguing in favor of Les Miles is the dumbest thing a below average person does in college football.


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #143 on: November 15, 2017, 08:56:34 AM »
As of today Gus has exactly 1 season where he won more than 8 games.

I gotcha.  And you probably just wanted to state that for everyone and don't care that Auburn is not only in the west, but also plays Georgia every year as it's cross-division rival, AND has played Clemson several times.

Look, I'm not defending Gus' record overall.  I really haven't delved into every game.  But it doesn't look that bad when you take those things into consideration, especially with them winning 9-10 games minimum this year.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #144 on: November 15, 2017, 09:08:24 AM »
I gotcha.  And you probably just wanted to state that for everyone and don't care that Auburn is not only in the west, but also plays Georgia every year as it's cross-division rival, AND has played Clemson several times.

Look, I'm not defending Gus' record overall. 
No, you stated that Gus averages 8-9 wins a year.  Defending his record is exactly the point you are making to prove he is a good coach.  You’re not even trying to be coherent.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #145 on: November 15, 2017, 09:27:54 AM »
No, you stated that Gus averages 8-9 wins a year.  Defending his record is exactly the point you are making to prove he is a good coach.  You’re not even trying to be coherent.

Gus has 2 seasons in his career where he won more than 8 games, and that will most likely become 3 this year.   He's won less than 8 games only once.

His average for both his career and at Auburn is exactly between 8 and 9 games.   The math isn't on your side in this one.

Not advocating for him, but the statement of 8-9 wins per year is exactly spot on.


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #146 on: November 15, 2017, 09:32:14 AM »
Gus has 2 seasons in his career where he won more than 8 games, and that will most likely become 3 this year.   He's won less than 8 games only once.

His average for both his career and at Auburn is exactly between 8 and 9 games.   The math isn't on your side in this one.

Not advocating for him, but the statement of 8-9 wins per year is exactly spot on.

You don't have to advocate for me.  The numbers tell the truth.  So does the fact that if we hired him in 2013, we would not be where we are today.  He'Cs not the best coach in the nation we could hire, but neither was Nutt in '98 or JLS in 2012 or Bielema in 2013.  You could probably include Ford in '93 or Crowe in '90 as well.  So what are people wanting?


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #147 on: November 15, 2017, 12:23:20 PM »
So what are people wanting?
Each fan base wants to win every game they should win, and then some that they shouldn't.  Someone is bound to be disappointed and that's why we are going through this coaching search thing once again.


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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #148 on: November 15, 2017, 12:40:28 PM »
Each fan base wants to win every game they should win, and then some that they shouldn't.  Someone is bound to be disappointed and that's why we are going through this coaching search thing once again.

We're going through this coaching search thing again is because they weren't even winning the games they should.  If Bielema was winning the 6 or 7 games a year he is expected to win he would still have a job next year.

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Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
« Reply #149 on: November 15, 2017, 12:53:30 PM »
We're going through this coaching search thing again is because they weren't even winning the games they should.  If Bielema was winning the 6 or 7 games a year he is expected to win he would still have a job next year.

Sadly this is right, which is what makes Malzahn the most "sure thing".

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