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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #50 on: May 20, 2020, 12:49:46 PM »
I've received my first written offer for gainful employment as an electrical engineer.

I feel like the starting quarterback just asked me to be his prom date.


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« Reply #51 on: May 20, 2020, 02:08:26 PM »
Congrats!  I hope its everything you dreamed it would be!

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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #52 on: May 20, 2020, 04:00:16 PM »
I've received my first written offer for gainful employment as an electrical engineer.

I feel like the starting quarterback just asked me to be his prom date.
I hope the job turns out  sparktakular for you.


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« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2020, 12:16:46 AM »
Congrats!


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« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2020, 09:17:42 AM »
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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2020, 11:17:34 AM »
I've received my first written offer for gainful employment as an electrical engineer.

I feel like the starting quarterback just asked me to be his prom date.
Congrats and good luck


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #56 on: May 22, 2020, 01:13:02 PM »
I've received my first written offer for gainful employment as an electrical engineer.

I feel like the starting quarterback just asked me to be his prom date.

Congrats! Lots of hard work on your part. Where is the gig? Are you relocating? Is it the gig you wanted?


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #57 on: May 22, 2020, 01:39:15 PM »
Congrats and good luck

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Congrats! Lots of hard work on your part. Where is the gig? Are you relocating? Is it the gig you wanted?

Tulsa.  We're (the wife and I) trying to decide right now whether or not to take it.  It's gonna be a really, really tough decision.

Initially, the offer had a deadline of Tues. the 26th.  I have a second interview with a local company...Tues. the 26th.  So I was able to get them to extend the deadline until the 1st.  I feel like my first interview with this local company went pretty well, and if the second one does, too, I'm hoping to get an offer almost immediately.

But, if I do, it will almost make things worse.  Because the only advantage to the local job...will be that it's local.  It pays apx. $8k less than the Tulsa gig, (honestly, all the things considered, I feel like the Tulsa offer is probably for more than I'm worth) but we won't have to sell (or rent) the house and move.  And that's a big deal.  We really love it right where we're at and don't want to move if we don't have to.

On the flip side of the coin, though, the job in Tulsa would be almost exactly straight up my alley.  They're looking to add audio to some of their product line, and I'd be doing design work.  Which is exactly what I want to do.  It pays more.  The benefits package seems pretty damn excellent to me.  But, again, we'd have to move, and that would suck.

Honestly, I'm trying to just not even stress over it until I actually have an offer in hand from the local job.  But I'm not doing a very good job.  I am doing better than the wife, though.  I think she's actually lost some hair over all of this.  Poor thing.  She's just too high strung...


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #58 on: May 22, 2020, 01:54:20 PM »
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Tulsa.  We're (the wife and I) trying to decide right now whether or not to take it.  It's gonna be a really, really tough decision.

Initially, the offer had a deadline of Tues. the 26th.  I have a second interview with a local company...Tues. the 26th.  So I was able to get them to extend the deadline until the 1st.  I feel like my first interview with this local company went pretty well, and if the second one does, too, I'm hoping to get an offer almost immediately.

But, if I do, it will almost make things worse.  Because the only advantage to the local job...will be that it's local.  It pays apx. $8k less than the Tulsa gig, (honestly, all the things considered, I feel like the Tulsa offer is probably for more than I'm worth) but we won't have to sell (or rent) the house and move.  And that's a big deal.  We really love it right where we're at and don't want to move if we don't have to.

On the flip side of the coin, though, the job in Tulsa would be almost exactly straight up my alley.  They're looking to add audio to some of their product line, and I'd be doing design work.  Which is exactly what I want to do.  It pays more.  The benefits package seems pretty damn excellent to me.  But, again, we'd have to move, and that would suck.

Honestly, I'm trying to just not even stress over it until I actually have an offer in hand from the local job.  But I'm not doing a very good job.  I am doing better than the wife, though.  I think she's actually lost some hair over all of this.  Poor thing.  She's just too high strung...

if you take the local job, you will start to not like it after not too long.  the longer you're there, the more you'll hate it.  and you'll regret everyday not taking the tulsa job and doing something you really enjoy.  my advice, take the tulsa job, you'll be happier, which in turn the wife will be happier.  different houses, different cities, i think in the long run a small price to pay for happiness.

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« Reply #59 on: May 22, 2020, 02:03:34 PM »
Well yall think things over and decide. My only advice is to not say things like it's more money than you're worth. Don't sell yourself short. Me personally, they can never pay me what I'm truly worth. Yeah it's cocky but true, to me anyway. And never be afraid to take a chance. I believe the biggest risk one can take in life is not taking any risks because of fear of failure. Failure is just another avenue to success.

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« Reply #60 on: May 23, 2020, 09:51:06 PM »
Well yall think things over and decide. My only advice is to not say things like it's more money than you're worth. Don't sell yourself short. Me personally, they can never pay me what I'm truly worth. Yeah it's cocky but true, to me anyway. And never be afraid to take a chance. I believe the biggest risk one can take in life is not taking any risks because of fear of failure. Failure is just another avenue to success.

No ragrets. Know what I'm sayin', dawg.

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It's just a confidence thing.  I haven't actually done any real work as a EE yet, so I'm not entirely sure what to expect.  I did an internship, but the stuff they needed from me was pretty atypical and not at all like what I expect to encounter at my actual job.  So, once I get some actual hours under my belt, I'm sure I'll start to feel better about what I'm actually worth, so to speak...


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #61 on: May 27, 2020, 06:34:07 PM »
I really don't think I'm gonna have a decision to make, now.

My local interview was setup for yesterday at 2:00.  It was supposed to be via video over Microsoft teams.  I got everything set up and ready and our power went out at 12:30.  I was gonna try and do it from my phone but I only get one bar out here in good weather.  Which it wasn't.

Anyway, they re-scheduled me for tomorrow at 2:00, but there's no way in hell I'll hear anything from them now in the time I have left to decide on Tulsa.

This may be a blessing in disguise.  Save us the agonizing.


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #62 on: May 28, 2020, 12:15:13 PM »
Talk to the folks in Tulsa and tell them you need one more day.  If they have given you the offer then the worse thing that happens is they say no, they need an answer.  I doubt they say that though.

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« Reply #63 on: May 28, 2020, 03:25:33 PM »
Talk to the folks in Tulsa and tell them you need one more day.  If they have given you the offer then the worse thing that happens is they say no, they need an answer.  I doubt they say that though.

I just finished the interview.  With the same HR girl plus two power engineers.

At the very end I hit them with my other offer and told them I had to take it or leave it by Monday afternoon.  She said this interview pretty much completed their hiring process, and that they would talk when our meeting was done and I would know something "soon."  She wouldn't say how "soon", but she did say she was going to go ahead and email me the benefits package.  So, I dunno.  Maybe that's good.  I still doubt I hear anything by Monday.


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #64 on: May 28, 2020, 03:40:17 PM »
Go with your gut instinct.


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #65 on: May 28, 2020, 03:53:42 PM »
I guess I was wrong.  The local place says we'll have an answer by tomorrow.

Go with your gut instinct.

My gut is back and forth on this one.


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« Reply #66 on: May 28, 2020, 04:02:02 PM »
Don't look at it as choosing right or wrong. Instead, look at the overall pros and cons and you and your missus can decide which one offers the best.


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« Reply #68 on: May 31, 2020, 05:42:21 PM »
From the outside looking in, I think that's probably the best outcome.

Money's great and all, but it really sounds like you'll be doing something you enjoy.

That's probably the most important thing in having a job or a career.


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2020, 05:50:57 PM »
Congratulations Pink!  Good luck and best wishes to you and the wife.

Just to remind you, relocations are extremely stressful on relationships. Stay cool and hug your bride more.


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2020, 03:17:19 PM »
You good folks care to take a look at this?  I've updated it to include some recent changes.  My primary concern here is that it might be getting a bit lengthy for someone fresh out of school, but I read a wholeeeee lot of varied opinions on this and as best as I can tell, they all seem to be primarily subjective.  Of course, if there are any other glaring stoopidZ I've overlooked I'd obviously like to hear about those as well...

Just, you know, if you're bored or whatever.

Killing time on the woopigs...as someone suggested, move education down.  I was told to tailor for the job you want, not the jobs you had. What I mean by that is, if you are applying for a specific job for a specific company, focus on the things they do and the processes they use to tailor your experience in that field. Also if it's for a federal job, you can make your resume as long as you want or need. For the federal job I got, my resume was 6 pages. Good Luck.


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Re: I've got a resumé question.
« Reply #72 on: January 24, 2022, 12:53:10 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/22/business/pandemic-work-resumes.html

Relevant article.  The text, in case it gets locked behind a paywall...

The Pandemic Changed Everything About Work, Except the Humble Résumé
Résumés may be more for robots than human eyes at first, but most job seekers are still advised to distill their work history in one typewritten page.

By Gray Beltran
Jan. 22, 2022

Two years into a pandemic, many aspects of work have changed drastically. In that time, some people have started new jobs, Zoomed their days away and then left companies where they never even met their co-workers in person.

But one aspect of work remains remarkably unchanged: the importance of the traditional, single-page résumé created in a word processor.

“Hiring managers and recruiters still rely on the résumé,” said Vicki Salemi, an expert on the job-search process at Monster, the online job-posting site. The résumé, Ms. Salemi continued, is still “the standard to apply for a job and get noticed.”

In Monster’s recent “Future of Work” report, recruiters in the United States ranked résumé search — the ability to look through uploaded résumés on sites such as Monster or Indeed — as the most effective tool for finding candidates. The report also found that for employers, a résumé was second only to an in-person interview in determining whether a candidate was a good fit.

Résumé design and formats are relatively static, too. A job seeker might find herself using the same format to apply for a type of job that didn’t even exist when she first created a document with her name and address at the top and work history in bullet points below.

That’s because while the basics of the résumé itself haven’t changed, the audience has. In the era of databases and applicant-tracking technology, software systems sort through job candidates before they make their way to recruiters. So it’s important to make sure that a résumé can easily be understood by both humans and technology, said Kathryn Minshew, founder and chief executive officer of The Muse, a website that offers job listings and career coaching.

And machine and human readers alike struggle with overly stylized fonts, such as Comic Sans. Tried-and-true classics like Times New Roman, Arial, Helvetica, Calibri and Georgia are still among the best font options for your résumé, Ms. Minshew said.

“In many more traditional fields like banking and finance, STEM, academia, a traditional résumé is still very important, but the look and feel carries less weight,” Ms. Minshew said.

Ms. Salemi said that it was crucial for job seekers to highlight and quantify their skills and experience and to make sure they were using the right keywords. These strategies help ensure that their résumé shows up when recruiters search a job site or internal database for specific terms.

Unlike those seeking jobs in the days of faxed and mailed résumés, today’s job candidates might apply for one position through a company’s job portal, have their résumés uploaded and stored in a database, and then be matched with a different role at the same company months or years later.

“If companies are experiencing labor shortages in different areas, they may very well go back to their database,” Ms. Salemi said.

That is why keywords matter. Ms. Minshew counsels people to look closely at the job description and highlight keywords and skills the company is looking for in that role. “Make sure that, if it’s relevant and applicable, you’re highlighting similar skills or even some of the same keywords on your résumé,” Ms. Minshew said.

Ms. Minshew noted that a 2019 report from Jobscan found that nearly 99 percent of Fortune 500 companies used an applicant tracking system, which could put job seekers who don’t include the right terms in their résumé at a disadvantage.

Part of why the résumé has stayed constant while work itself has transformed is that no one method has come along to take over.

“The traditional résumé is in the process of being disrupted, but I don’t think it’s necessarily clear yet what the outcome will be,” Ms. Minshew said — adding that it might be replaced by several products instead of a single one. Part of the reason straying from traditional formatting is risky is a résumé could be discarded by the software screening if it can’t process a candidate’s experience correctly. “This is a classic situation of, most people want something different,” she said — but no one has yet had the power to really change things. Though she did say that a number of recruiters — humans not robots — primarily consider a candidate’s LinkedIn profile, rather than a résumé, which is why she encourages people to keep both up-to-date.

But just because the format of the résumé hasn’t changed much, it doesn’t mean job seekers shouldn’t try to make theirs look great, especially in creative fields.

Marcos Chin, an illustrator and professor at the School of Visual Arts, said design professionals are often held to a different standard.

“My résumé would have to look nice in the sense that it would need to be visually appealing,” he said. “So typography would be considered.”

Mr. Chin also helps his students — many of whom are just starting out in their careers — polish their résumés, giving them feedback about font sizes and spacing.

“A really important thing is the way in which information is organized, so that it can be presented in a way that looks beautiful and makes the person who receives it want to sort of dive deeper into what it is that you do,” he said.

Design professionals often have the additional burden of creating a portfolio or personal website that showcases their work. But as the job market places a greater emphasis on personal branding as an element of career success, more professionals have begun to create personal websites and curate a social media presence. These platforms can convey some of what résumés once did.

“I think people are rightly questioning whether the résumé deserves to be the center of every hiring process, whether it deserves the sort of primacy that it has,” Ms. Minshew said.

One thing that is clear about the postpandemic résumé: Employers are less likely to be concerned with gaps in work history than they might have been a few years ago, according to Ms. Salemi at Monster.

“They’re also more open to job-hopping,” she said.

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