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« on: May 12, 2020, 09:40:32 PM »
Ground floor, slab.  Toilet is rocking and leaking at the floor.  I know how to pull the toilet up and replace the wax seal.

I tried to tighten the bolts, and one of them is clearly not biting on anything.  I don't want to pull the toilet up and replace the seal yet, because I suspect that bolt isn't anchored into anything but sub-floor underneath.

Is there anything I can do myself, like create a metal anchor to the slab?  Or is it contractor time?

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2020, 09:54:05 PM »
Probably a bad flange.  I’d just call a plumber to pull the toilet and replace it and set a new seal at the same time.

If you’re cheap look at an extender and see if you think you can install one.

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2020, 10:12:27 PM »
Probably a bad flange.  I’d just call a plumber to pull the toilet and replace it and set a new seal at the same time.

If you’re cheap look at an extender and see if you think you can install one.

I pulled the toilet up and the flange is broken in half.  I think I can fix it.  Is there some kind of heavy-duty flange that I can spend a bit more money on and not have to replace in 3 years?

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2020, 10:22:34 PM »
Was it PVC?  They make PVC flanges with stainless steel rings.  The bolts will actually pull the toilet to the floor instead of putting stress on the flange - builders just like to use the all-PVC ones to save $10 on the total home cost.

Or if you can find one that's just all stainless - it should outlive the house.

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2020, 11:15:03 PM »
Was it PVC?  They make PVC flanges with stainless steel rings.  The bolts will actually pull the toilet to the floor instead of putting stress on the flange - builders just like to use the all-PVC ones to save $10 on the total home cost.

Or if you can find one that's just all stainless - it should outlive the house.

It's PVC.  The entire flange piece has broken and is stuck to the pipe.  I can't break it free.

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« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2020, 11:23:26 PM »
It's PVC.  The entire flange piece has broken and is stuck to the pipe.  I can't break it free.

Years ago I had the exact same thing happen. I ended up cutting grooves down The pipe part of the flange down into to the drain until I could chisel/peel the flange away from the drain pipe and thus pulling it out. It will eventually break free from the pvc drain but it is a pain in the ass.

I think I would call a plumber and just spend the $200-$300 and have them do it.

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2020, 11:34:18 PM »
Years ago I had the exact same thing happen. I ended up cutting grooves down The pipe part of the flange down into to the drain until I could chisel/peel the flange away from the drain pipe and thus pulling it out. It will eventually break free from the pvc drain but it is a pain in the ass.

I think I would call a plumber and just spend the $200-$300 and have them do it.

Ugh, but I'm so close to doing it myself!

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2020, 11:59:55 PM »
Was it PVC?  They make PVC flanges with stainless steel rings.  The bolts will actually pull the toilet to the floor instead of putting stress on the flange - builders just like to use the all-PVC ones to save $10 on the total home cost.

Or if you can find one that's just all stainless - it should outlive the house.

I'm not super handy but in the 28 years in our house, every time I have to replace a fill valve or flush valve, every time we upgrade the washer or dryer and need new hoses, every time I have an occasion to deal with the shutoff valve behind a toilet, I upgrade.  Thicker this, heavier that.  Stainless steel over plastic, PVC, etc.  If Part B costs twice as much as Part A, but that difference is only ten bucks, its worth it to me to buy the extra peace of mind.   I've got some flexible stainless washing machine hoses that will outlive Keith Richards, cockroaches, and a nuclear holocaust.  Cost an extra $25 bucks.  Big deal.

That said, I know nothing of flanges.

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2020, 12:14:31 AM »
I'm not super handy but in the 28 years in our house, every time I have to replace a fill valve or flush valve, every time we upgrade the washer or dryer and need new hoses, every time I have an occasion to deal with the shutoff valve behind a toilet, I upgrade.  Thicker this, heavier that.  Stainless steel over plastic, PVC, etc.  If Part B costs twice as much as Part A, but that difference is only ten bucks, its worth it to me to buy the extra peace of mind.   I've got some flexible stainless washing machine hoses that will outlive Keith Richards, cockroaches, and a nuclear holocaust.  Cost an extra $25 bucks.  Big deal.

That said, I know nothing of flanges.

I do the same thing, which is why I'm fairly confident I can put a flange in there without calling out the $200-$300 plumber.

Oatey makes these flanges that you can kind of cram in there and expand, even if your current metal piece is occupied by a PVC flange:

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Oatey-Closet-Flange-Replacement-White-PVC-Flange/1000059655

I'm still going to try to chip out the old flange.

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2020, 09:17:07 AM »
This is exactly what I did.


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Re: Toilet
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2020, 09:18:53 PM »
This is exactly what I did.


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I'd recommend pushing an old T-shirt or towel down the drain hole before cutting with the sawzall or the chisel. Something to catch the PVC chunks, if you will.

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2020, 09:38:37 PM »
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I'd recommend pushing an old T-shirt or towel down the drain hole before cutting with the sawzall or the chisel. Something to catch the PVC chunks, if you will.

Excellent, thanks.  I might go with a couple Walmart bags.

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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2020, 10:01:23 PM »
Excellent, thanks.  I might go with a couple Walmart bags.
You might tie a long ass rope around the bag handles so you don't pull a 'Clark' and somehow lose the bags down there and the amazingly get intertwined and can't be pulled out so you end up having to jackhammer them out then he concrete truck gets stuck in your yard on your lateral lines and......

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2020, 08:18:53 AM »
Also have a rocking toilet.  House is on a crawl space.  The wood sub-floor under the tile is bad.  Doubled seal the toilet as a shit-rig.  Have thought about pulling the toilet (someday) and  replacing the bad wood from underneath the house.  Hope to be able to cut out the bad wood and replace with new treated 1/2' plywood.  Then place a larger piece of new treated 1/2" plywood with glue and screws over the original bad wood area and reinforce with 2" x 2" treated along the edges at the floor joist.  I know, I know...call the plumber and a carpenter and spend the $500 plus.   


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Re: Toilet
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2020, 10:09:43 AM »
Also have a rocking toilet.  House is on a crawl space.  The wood sub-floor under the tile is bad.  Doubled seal the toilet as a shit-rig.  Have thought about pulling the toilet (someday) and  replacing the bad wood from underneath the house.  Hope to be able to cut out the bad wood and replace with new treated 1/2' plywood.  Then place a larger piece of new treated 1/2" plywood with glue and screws over the original bad wood area and reinforce with 2" x 2" treated along the edges at the floor joist.  I know, I know...call the plumber and a carpenter and spend the $500 plus.   

Bullshit...that sounds like fun!

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2020, 04:40:43 PM »
You guys are going to be proud of me.

I used a hand saw to cut 2 lines in the broken flange, and after I chiseled the first piece out, the rest of it came out in a big C-shape.

I couldn't find a correctly sized cast iron flange, so I got a hard PVC one with a rubber gasket on the outside.  Had to stand on it to get it in, and it nearly went all the way.  So I bought a concrete bit and some tap-con screws and tightened it down to the slab.  I used one of the new rubber seals instead of wax (fingers crossed that doesn't come back to bite me).

First flush went smoothly.  I've decided to wait to caulk it until I'm sure the rubber seal doesn't leak.

The only drawback is the old fucking wax seal got fucking everywhere.  Does something like acetone dissolve that shit?

Edit:

I meant to add that while I'm glad I did it, it was not worth doing myself to save a couple hundred dollars.

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Re: Toilet
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2020, 04:44:35 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2020, 12:44:58 PM »
Edit:

I meant to add that while I'm glad I did it, it was not worth doing myself to save a couple hundred dollars.

I’d just call a plumber to pull the toilet and replace it and set a new seal at the same time.


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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2020, 10:07:30 PM »
You can get small plastic shims to move under your toilet to stop the rocking.  Going to be by the plumbing section.


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Re: Toilet
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2020, 08:45:58 AM »
You guys are going to be proud of me.

I used a hand saw to cut 2 lines in the broken flange, and after I chiseled the first piece out, the rest of it came out in a big C-shape.

I couldn't find a correctly sized cast iron flange, so I got a hard PVC one with a rubber gasket on the outside.  Had to stand on it to get it in, and it nearly went all the way.  So I bought a concrete bit and some tap-con screws and tightened it down to the slab.  I used one of the new rubber seals instead of wax (fingers crossed that doesn't come back to bite me).

First flush went smoothly.  I've decided to wait to caulk it until I'm sure the rubber seal doesn't leak.

The only drawback is the old fucking wax seal got fucking everywhere.  Does something like acetone dissolve that shit?

Edit:

I meant to add that while I'm glad I did it, it was not worth doing myself to save a couple hundred dollars.
Fixing shit around the house is a mixed blessing.  While there is that sense of pride in doing it yourself and saving money, like you said, you are often left feeling like it might have just been worth it to pay someone else for the hassle.  Early in my marriage my wife asked my to replace the plastic shower/tub insert.  Long story short the floor joists underneath were rotten and the whole bathroom floor structure had to be replaced.  I was in over my head almost immediately.  Know your limits.


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Re: Toilet
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2020, 09:55:16 AM »
Know your limits.

This is key.  Also, if you're going to do a job, have the right tools.

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2020, 09:56:06 AM »
Looking for a plumber in the West Little Rock area.  My buddy's shower has been leaking for a few weeks.  Pics below.  He's a 1 income family so he has some budget constraints, so I'd like to help him out.

He said he's having a very hard time finding this part.  Any ideas?


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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2020, 10:34:01 AM »
Is there any numbers imprinted on the parts?  I assume not.


Also, can you take a picture of the hole that thing came out of?

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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2020, 10:05:17 AM »
Is there any numbers imprinted on the parts?  I assume not.


Also, can you take a picture of the hole that thing came out of?

No part number.


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Re: Toilet
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2020, 10:16:56 AM »
I hope no one was shot in the making of that bathroom.

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