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Title: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 16, 2011, 11:27:35 PM
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 17, 2011, 02:14:37 AM
Big East and ACC just need to merge the 16 best schools they have and be done with it. 
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Post by: razorjack on September 17, 2011, 02:44:09 AM
I'm hearing Texas to the ACC.   I just don't believe it.

It would be funny if somehow Texas could get left out in the cold on this, epecially considering they were the ones primaruly responsible for triggering the realignment. . .
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Post by: Cerdo on September 17, 2011, 06:46:52 AM
There is an incredible amount of misinformation and plain stupidity out there.  The biggest myth I keep hearing are the ones dealing with TV Markets - I feel that for the SEC and it's national TV contracts, these are low priorities and thus why the Sooners really aren't that attractive.  It may mean something more to the Big 10 and the LHN people but I live in NWA and I have the Big 10 network anyway, so I think it's overrated for them too.  I think what A&M offers is a recruiting pipeline that we want with a footprint that brings a ton of upside. 

Texas has plenty of options.
I think Rutgers does as well.  We all know Notre Dame has options and every move the Big 10 makes and every rumor they float out there is meant solely to squeeze the Domers.

I think everyone else is not so lucky and the Sooners are in a much worse spot than the lackeys would have you believe. 

I enjoy all of this stuff immensely. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 17, 2011, 08:08:30 AM
Even though they were played like a fiddle last year to suit everyone else's agenda, Mizzou actually stands in a decent position as well.  All the things that the Sooners don't offer, Mizzou does - solid TV markets, recruits and a geographical position that places them squarely on almost every conference's border.  They'll end up in nothing worse then the Big East and I think they'll end up in the Big 10 or SEC as a fallback so that one conference can block the other conference.  They bring decent academics and reasonable demands.

Oklahoma's best long term option is to work with Tejas and keep that Big 12 together in some fashion.  Everything you hear and read out of Okie land is designed for Longhorn ears right now.

Pitt badly wants to be in the Big 10 but the Big 10 really doesn't need them.  I think the SEC doesn't really want to start a war with the ACC to raid VA Tech so I think they're happy to have this ACC-Big East drama taking place to keep SEC options open while holding cleaner hands.  It may open up VA Tech leaving on their own.  
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hatchclan on September 17, 2011, 08:16:32 AM
I'm hearing Texas to the ACC.   I just don't believe it.

It would be funny if somehow Texas could get left out in the cold on this, epecially considering they were the ones primaruly responsible for triggering the realignment. . .

 Hate to say it, but....actually agree with you that I would love to see Texas be spurned by all the other conferences.

btw, primaruly....is not a word...in our dictionary.

if you are trying to coin a phrase and or word....try harder
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 17, 2011, 09:43:47 AM
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on September 17, 2011, 10:28:46 AM
Hawaii is also in talks with Big East.


Keep this here.
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Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on September 17, 2011, 10:30:46 AM
Interesting...

If the ACC were successful in locking down its current members and the higher echelon teams of the Big 12- are too skairt to want any part of the SEC, could that leave us with a lot of sloppy seconds left for the picking.  I know the SEC doesn't want to look like the aggressor, but if the 16 format is inevitable we may need to turn up the heat.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 17, 2011, 11:33:48 AM
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Post by: LashHog on September 17, 2011, 11:50:30 AM
If Pitt and Syracuse go to the ACC I'm guessing that means W. Va. is coming to the SEC.
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Post by: papermill on September 17, 2011, 12:02:02 PM
If Pitt and Syracuse go to the ACC I'm guessing that means W. Va. is coming to the SEC.

Well culturally it is kind of the Alabama of the north.

Whew, I was afraid GT was going to be left out in the cold.  Now it looks like there will be 4 big conferences and they'll be in one of them.  Even if it is the 4th best one that's good.  I have one team in one, one team in the other, they never collide, even have Minnie in a 3rd, although they probably will suck forever.  It is all good.

amazing that the arrogance of Texas has destroyed what has been the 2nd best conference over the long haul for the last 15 years
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on September 18, 2011, 01:54:08 PM
UConn wants in the ACC.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6989031/uconn-huskies-aggressively-seeking-acc-move-source-says (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6989031/uconn-huskies-aggressively-seeking-acc-move-source-says)

Would Vitale be able to contain himself with Duke, UNC, Syracuse, and UConn in the same conference?
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Post by: Satch on September 18, 2011, 01:59:13 PM
UConn wants in the ACC.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6989031/uconn-huskies-aggressively-seeking-acc-move-source-says (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6989031/uconn-huskies-aggressively-seeking-acc-move-source-says)

Would Vitale be able to contain himself with Duke, UNC, Syracuse, and UConn in the same conference?
at his age, he probably has problems containing himself regardless
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Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 18, 2011, 02:07:24 PM
So, here's another thought I just had.... I think everyone can figure out that a lot of movement, especially from the Big 10 and the ACC to a lesser extent, are essentially moves to pressure Notre Dame and Texas in to choosing sides. I also think Rutgers is a school that bears watching because at some point someone is going to try and see if there is a long term strategy to use that school as a base to develop a college football fanbase in the greater NYC region, probably the Big 10.

Assuming that the cap really is 16 or 14 teams per mega conference, at what point do top conference executives start dreaming about drumming a weak school or two OUT of a conference to make room for someone better?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on September 18, 2011, 02:23:53 PM
Assuming that the cap really is 16 or 14 teams per mega conference, at what point do top conference executives start dreaming about drumming a weak school or two OUT of a conference to make room for someone better?
I have wondered about that, myself. If, however unlikely, the Big 12 can salvage anything; do they allow someone like Baylor to remain?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 18, 2011, 02:42:48 PM
I know there is a ton of posturing going on by the Sooners and Horns and ACC and, well, everyone - but still...I think they have to try to salvage the bad marriage and keep the Big 12/Texas Conference together.   BYU is going to find that they need a home badly after finding zero quality opponents to play late in the year and Texas will suffer the same issues.  Room is running out for the Sooners to drag Okie Lite along with them and their future role as the Central Time Zone hayseeds of the Pac Whatever is going to frick them badly long term. 

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on September 18, 2011, 02:58:19 PM
I think you are right. Texas, truth be known, has left themselves in a precarious position. Who would have thought? The college landscape is in for some major changes.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 03:35:35 PM
A report that hit the wire 20 mins ago reports that Pac-12 is putting together a package right now to get texas TT ou and osu in a package deal. They are working on the work around to texas' long horn network. I think this time tomorrow you will see most of the dominoes falling into place.  Sec should probably gobble gobble a tcu and west virginia with TAMU- also one other.


edit
sorry here is the link
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Pac12-working-out-details-to-bring-in-Texas-and-OU.html
I realized this is not so easy to find.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
The dominoes are falling in twitter guys. WVU just announced in a diatribe it will keep its options open (wink sec)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ColdPork on September 18, 2011, 04:07:45 PM
The dominoes are falling in twitter guys. WVU just announced in a diatribe it will keep its options open (wink sec)

Yep. Several Twitter reports in last hour that WV has submitted paperwork to SEC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 04:11:17 PM
it will not happen, but god I wish the other two would be TCU (to help open a dallas pipeline for the hogs) and s florida, only because I do not ever want to see flor state or miami in the SEC, s. florida would be a good addition, every conference needs more than one vandy errg ole miss.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on September 18, 2011, 04:18:39 PM
I wouldn't mind TCU either.  Good at baseball and a Vandy for the west.  They won't be good at football forever.  It would be nice to have a few conference games in DFW.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 04:24:30 PM
Yeah, I mentioned all of that on a different razorback forum and got called an idiot several times.  TCU makes sense if you are a SEC and a razorback fan. But who knows.

there are going to be a lot of schools left over out of the big east and big12 . Im in twitter right now bouncing thoughts off of columnists that are covering this nationally. Ill keep you guys posted if I get anything good.
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Post by: papermill on September 18, 2011, 04:26:16 PM
TCU and S. FL. are sitting on recruiting goldmines if they ever got the advantage of an SEC profile.  I know TCU went a long time not being good in the SWC way back when but that was about 3-4 million people ago in the Metroplex.
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Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 18, 2011, 04:30:54 PM
I wouldn't mind TCU either.  Good at baseball and a Vandy for the west.  They won't be good at football forever.  It would be nice to have a few conference games in DFW.
 

They don't have a fanbase to speak of. They will never get an invite.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 04:32:28 PM
Ahh but the potential fanbase..... the potential.


ITs a dream anyway man. Not sure why I posted it. SEC likely sits at 14 for a year.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 18, 2011, 04:35:11 PM
Ahh but the potential fanbase..... the potential.



 

They aren't even number one in their local market. TCU doesn't really bring anything long term to this conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 18, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
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Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 18, 2011, 05:38:02 PM
The Big10+2 would never take a tier3 school like KSU and Pitt is going to the ACC. I hate all this change, it's like people want to turn college football into the NFL.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PigBangTheory on September 18, 2011, 05:41:27 PM
So will there be any candidates from the SEC who may be on the chopping block if, say for example, there's 20 teams who want in and the powers that be want the best possible 16 teams? I don't see it, but adding a few Florida teams, one from Oklahoma and one other team from Texas as possible fodder for the discussion.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: OP on September 18, 2011, 05:46:23 PM
*stuff

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Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ColdPork on September 18, 2011, 05:57:51 PM

Wow, you have way too much time on your hands.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 06:01:48 PM
I spent a lot of time studying that post.

And I think that is a C Ftball fans dream come true.

Just think that money standing  in the way may stop this.

Our best chance of this happening will be if like a ACC and a SEC merge someday and they say screw you ncaa and bcs we have our own thing now.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 18, 2011, 06:07:53 PM
Wow, you have way too much time on your hands.

Shoot man, I been tweaking that a little every now and then since last summer.  Last update was a week ago, hence the Pitt in B16 thing
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 18, 2011, 06:11:37 PM
The Big10+2 would never take a tier3 school like KSU and Pitt is going to the ACC. I hate all this change, it's like people want to turn college football into the NFL.
I never want playoffs in the game and I'm fairly happy with the BCS system.  I like the way every game counts in the regular season.  I have the NFL.  I don't need NFL Lite. 
I personally would have no problem with the SEC staying at 13 and don't desire 16. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 06:14:48 PM
I never want playoffs in the game and I'm fairly happy with the BCS system.  I like the way every game counts in the regular season.  I have the NFL.  I don't need NFL Lite. 
I personally would have no problem with the SEC staying at 13 and don't desire 16. 

Its all over twitter and the web that WVa has already put in their SEC application. So It looks like we are going to have at least 14.

SEC is a pretty conservative fanbase+conference. I think its 50/50 we stick at 14.


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Post by: fuentecigar on September 18, 2011, 07:10:36 PM
TCU and S. FL. are sitting on recruiting goldmines if they ever got the advantage of an SEC profile.  I know TCU went a long time not being good in the SWC way back when but that was about 3-4 million people ago in the Metroplex.

TCU will never happen. You are not looking at the broad scope of things. TCU is a perennial loser. Arkansas beat them some 29 years in a row. They are a johnny come lately, as far as winning goes. Truth be known, as the Big East folds; they may end up on the outside looking in. They bring nothing of value to any conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 18, 2011, 07:28:12 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/18/rutgers-in-contact-with-big-ten-acc/ (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/18/rutgers-in-contact-with-big-ten-acc/)

So, does the Big East reach out to Baylor, K-State, KU, and Iowa State in order to stay alive? And, at this point, I have to wonder if they'll start trying to grab C-USA teams.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 07:29:40 PM
Dude , as a supposed arkansas fan, An addition of a perennial loser that helps you get more Felix jones's, and helps the SEC by bringing in a potential 5mill more viewers... well I dont know what to say to you.


You guys that think we need to add a notre dame or a FSU or someone that is a top program, well that is completely wrong if you are a razorback fan.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 07:34:02 PM
I suggest Arkansas fans start thinking about adding a team close to them that is not a college fb powerhouse, that helps us in recruiting that we get added to the schedule every year. OMG i could actually jerk off at night thinking about all the Dallas HS's we would be recruiting at and OWNING with the addition of TCU.

AND in a couple of years TCU would be like another automatic win for us. You guys need to think about ARkansas and not whats good for the SEC in particular.
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Post by: Death By Sooiecide on September 18, 2011, 07:40:41 PM
I suggest Arkansas fans start thinking about adding a team close to them that is not a college fb powerhouse
The fuck good would that do? We don't control anything
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Post by: big_pig on September 18, 2011, 07:42:32 PM
I suggest Arkansas fans start thinking about adding a team close to them that is not a college fb powerhouse, that helps us in recruiting that we get added to the schedule every year. OMG i could actually jerk off at night thinking about all the Dallas HS's we would be recruiting at and OWNING with the addition of TCU.

AND in a couple of years TCU would be like another automatic win for us. You guys need to think about ARkansas and not whats good for the SEC in particular.

We don't need to bring down the conference in order to give us a rentawin.  We lost that defeatest mentality around 2008.

and double posts are a lot like fags.  Only fags like to do them.
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Post by: nobu on September 18, 2011, 07:44:20 PM
We don't need to bring down the conference in order to give us a rentawin.  We lost that defeatest mentality around 2008.

and double posts are a lot like fags.  Only fags like to do them.

Its more than rent a win.. but im not going to razzle you with the details.

I can triple post if only you promise to call me a triple fag.. your last post made me laugh.

ignore button.. jaja
I like this forum.
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Post by: chittlins on September 18, 2011, 07:56:32 PM
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You do realize that Berkeley Breathed went to UT Austin.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on September 18, 2011, 07:59:20 PM
Dude , as a supposed arkansas fan, An addition of a perennial loser that helps you get more Felix jones's, and helps the SEC by bringing in a potential 5mill more viewers... well I dont know what to say to you.


You guys that think we need to add a notre dame or a FSU or someone that is a top program, well that is completely wrong if you are a razorback fan.



You are dead wrong! I have followed the Razorbacks since 1960. TCU does not bring Felix Jones or anyone else. They are a Disciples of Christ religious institution. They were losers for close to 50 years! Winning for the past 5, gets you nothing; regardless of ESPN.
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Post by: radioman on September 18, 2011, 09:03:56 PM
If that is true, then those in charge of SEC expansion are failing.   WVU adds NOTHING to the SEC. 

If Pitt and Syracuse go to the ACC I'm guessing that means W. Va. is coming to the SEC.
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Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 18, 2011, 09:40:18 PM
Dude , as a supposed arkansas fan, An addition of a perennial loser that helps you get more Felix jones's, and helps the SEC by bringing in a potential 5mill more viewers... well I dont know what to say to you.


You guys that think we need to add a notre dame or a FSU or someone that is a top program, well that is completely wrong if you are a razorback fan.


 

TCU does not bring the Dallas market. Adding aTm gets us plenty of Texas exposure and they have a large fanbase. TCU is a small school with a small fanbase and brings nothing to this conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 18, 2011, 11:37:26 PM
Saw some info on TD regarding Andy Staples's latest Tweets: https://twitter.com/#!/Andy_Staples

Some of the nuggets: Mizzou will be the 14th team to the SEC when the Big 12 implodes. WVU won't get an SEC invite.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 19, 2011, 12:12:55 AM
Dont think its been officially woopig-reported: But Syracuse and Pitt to ACC is a done deal.  UConn trying to get in on the action too.
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Post by: ArkGuy on September 19, 2011, 01:43:45 AM
...., and helps the SEC by bringing in a potential 5 mill more viewers... well I dont know what to say to you.


...

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Well, I know what to say to you: prove it or quit making up bullshit.

The 15 SEC national telecasts on CBS in 2010 averaged 6.944 million viewers and 4.2 rating points.  Those broadcasts were all available in Texas so presumbably some Texans were already watching despite there being no Texas based SEC teams.  That's higher than any other network.  No way an SEC package with the addition of A$M, much less one adding TCU, results in an almost doubling of viewers.  In fact, last year there was only one broadcast on ANY network with more than 11 MM viewers and that was the Iron Bowl with 12.5 million.  Actually, there were only ten games in the entire season on any network that had as many as 7.6 MM viewers and six of those involved SEC games and none of those top 10 most viewed games involved any team from texas.  None.

There is no way the addition of any team from texas into the SEC increases the number of actual viewers by an order of magnitude like what gets spouted on this board.  5 million, ten million.  Good grief. Heck, there are only about 26 million people in the entire state of texas.

Source: Sports Business Journal Daily   
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Ham Malone on September 19, 2011, 02:29:49 AM
Impossibly long quote
I was really hoping that was copy and pasted from somewhere else.  Unpossible that anyone would waste so much time putting that together. 
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Post by: ocelot_ark on September 19, 2011, 08:02:56 AM
Aight, Imabout to throw it down.  Get reddy:

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Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Count Porkula on September 19, 2011, 08:39:47 AM
I was really hoping that was copy and pasted from somewhere else.  Unpossible that anyone would waste so much time putting that together. 

Animal would like a word or 6 bazillion  with you
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 19, 2011, 07:01:22 PM
Off the wire 20 mins ago in a forum form an insider.

SEC turns down West Vir. application.

Not sure if its true or not. But supposedly someone close to the program was told this and reported it bearcatlair.com


if true wow.  I like sec being selective!


edit: its not being reported in a pretty accurate college football rumor forum Im in.. so I am pretty reserved as to whether this is true or not.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 19, 2011, 07:18:36 PM
Off the wire 20 mins ago in a forum form an insider.

SEC turns down West Vir. application.

Not sure if its true or not. But supposedly someone close to the program was told this and reported it bearcatlair.com


if true wow.  I like sec being selective!


edit: its not being reported in a pretty accurate college football rumor forum Im in.. so I am pretty reserved as to whether this is true or not.

I think the info that's being discussed there on your other forum emanated from a tweet from Andy Staples yesterday (he discussed this misunderstanding on Twitter). Someone misinterpreted him and said he said that WVU was turned down. From what Staples was told, WVU isn't going to get an invite right now (they weren't turned down). He stated Mizzou would get the invite instead.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 19, 2011, 07:20:05 PM
I think the info that's being discussed there on your other forum emanated from a tweet from Andy Staples yesterday (he discussed this misunderstanding on Twitter). Someone misinterpreted him and said he said that WVU was turned down. From what Staples was told, WVU isn't going to get an invite right now (they weren't turned down). He stated Mizzou would get the invite instead.

You are right, that is a big difference.

This is the second rumor post I could find on it.

http://westvirginia.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=33&tid=147586728&mid=147586728&sid=891&style=2 (http://westvirginia.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=33&tid=147586728&mid=147586728&sid=891&style=2)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 20, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
You are right, that is a big difference.

This is the second rumor post I could find on it.

http://westvirginia.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=33&tid=147586728&mid=147586728&sid=891&style=2 (http://westvirginia.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=33&tid=147586728&mid=147586728&sid=891&style=2)

Looks like the rumor you saw was true. WV was denied  by both the SEC and the ACC. That has to be embarrassing.

http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=47954 (http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=47954)

"CBSSports' Brett McMurphy is reporting that West Virginia University has been rejected by both the ACC and the SEC. Those were the two major conferences WVU was applied to join after both Syracuse and Pitt jumped to the ACC Conference. McMurphy first reported this story on his twitter account @BrettMcMurphyCBS:

"Multiple Big East sources said they have been told by WVU officials that WVU rejected by ACC & SEC."

McMurphy was also the first person to report on Saturday that Syracuse and Pitt have been accepted into the ACC.

WVU athletic department officials had no comment on the report, however, and they also point out that WVU never issued any statement about whether the university had even applied for admission to the SEC.  Continue to check MetroNews for more information on this story."
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on September 20, 2011, 11:55:14 AM
Looks like the rumor you saw was true. WV was denied  by both the SEC and the ACC. That has to be embarrassing.

http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=47954 (http://www.wvmetronews.com/wvu.cfm?func=displayfullstory&storyid=47954)

"CBSSports' Brett McMurphy is reporting that West Virginia University has been rejected by both the ACC and the SEC. Those were the two major conferences WVU was applied to join after both Syracuse and Pitt jumped to the ACC Conference. McMurphy first reported this story on his twitter account @BrettMcMurphyCBS:

"Multiple Big East sources said they have been told by WVU officials that WVU rejected by ACC & SEC."

McMurphy was also the first person to report on Saturday that Syracuse and Pitt have been accepted into the ACC.

WVU athletic department officials had no comment on the report, however, and they also point out that WVU never issued any statement about whether the university had even applied for admission to the SEC.  Continue to check MetroNews for more information on this story."



Which will make the LSU/WVA game even more interesting.

You don't want to piss off a mountaineer... when they fight, their arms go all windmill on you   ::) 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 20, 2011, 12:06:40 PM
Remnants of Big East will merge with remnants of BigXII.  If nessecary, that conference of rejects will merge with the best of Sun Belt and CUSA.


And then they'll sit alone, waiting for the day when Rudolph, Hermey, and Yukon Cornelius will come and save them.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on September 20, 2011, 12:13:57 PM
I'd come closer to believing that they were turned down for now. What this means is unless certain parties come to the table and are ready to move, the SEC is not moving beyond 14 teams and WVU isn't #14. We don't know who #14 is right now. I'm not totally buying that it's Mizzou but it could be. I tend to think the SEC is still working on Va Tech or perhaps there is someone else in play. Miami adds nothing to the SEC other than a market further south which isn't a real good college market in general, you can say the same for the Missouri market all though I believe there is more untapped potential in the Missouri market than there is picking up another Georgia team or Florida team.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 20, 2011, 12:16:24 PM
This is insane:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/19/mountain-west-conference-usa-working-on-merger/ (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/19/mountain-west-conference-usa-working-on-merger/)

If this happens, it will be a 22-team conference.   realstunned
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 20, 2011, 12:20:32 PM
I'd come closer to believing that they were turned down for now. What this means is unless certain parties come to the table and are ready to move, the SEC is not moving beyond 14 teams and WVU isn't #14. We don't know who #14 is right now. I'm not totally buying that it's Mizzou but it could be. I tend to think the SEC is still working on Va Tech or perhaps there is someone else in play. Miami adds nothing to the SEC other than a market further south which isn't a real good college market in general, you can say the same for the Missouri market all though I believe there is more untapped potential in the Missouri market than there is picking up another Georgia team or Florida team.

I don't think an ACC team would leave for the SEC after they just jacked up the early exit fees from 13M to 20M.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 20, 2011, 12:24:56 PM
This is insane:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/19/mountain-west-conference-usa-working-on-merger/ (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/19/mountain-west-conference-usa-working-on-merger/)

If this happens, it will be a 22-team conference.   realstunned

More thank likely, there will be teams left to the chopping block.

This is all about getting to BCS status.  Does Utah State bring anything to the table? New Mexico State? San Hose State?

This will get whittled down to either 12, 14, or 16.



If it happens.   Which it won't.  Because some of the teams involved have got to be holding out on a BCS invite.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 20, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
How credible is this guy? He's claiming the SEC wants Louisville as the 14th team, but that KY vetoed it. I find it hard to believe that of all the schools, we'd be after Louisville:

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2011/09/sec-wants-louisville-as-14th-member-academics-leave-wvu-out/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ChuckOliverFootball+(Chuck+Oliver+Football (http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2011/09/sec-wants-louisville-as-14th-member-academics-leave-wvu-out/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ChuckOliverFootball+(Chuck+Oliver+Football)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on September 20, 2011, 12:41:22 PM
How credible is this guy? He's claiming the SEC wants Louisville as the 14th team, but that KY vetoed it. I find it hard to believe that of all the schools, we'd be after Louisville:

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2011/09/sec-wants-louisville-as-14th-member-academics-leave-wvu-out/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ChuckOliverFootball+(Chuck+Oliver+Football (http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2011/09/sec-wants-louisville-as-14th-member-academics-leave-wvu-out/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed:+ChuckOliverFootball+(Chuck+Oliver+Football)

Remember him being on 790, one of the sports stations in Atlanta, a few years back (have no idea nor do I care if he's still at it).  I don't recall him talking out of his ass that often.

I wondered about Louisville yesterday and why everything was so quiet around them, as they seem like a natural fit.  But, UK having veto power would explain that.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 20, 2011, 01:37:48 PM
I have always wondered why the media and fans latched on to this 16 team conference number. That makes no sense to me. A football playoff would not depend on 16 team conferences anyway.

I kind of always though that we would see eventual 20+ team conferences. Something like the ACC and SEC eventually merging. That is what makes the most sense to me in this evolution. That would make the most money.

but that 22 team USA/MW looks pretty cool. Lot of second tier teams but I think there are enough interesting teams there I would follow it.


Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on September 20, 2011, 01:40:46 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3155336/source-mizzou-has-sec-offer-but.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3155336/source-mizzou-has-sec-offer-but.html)

CBS reporting that the SEC has made an "unofficial" offer to the Missouri Tigers.  How many damn tigers can there be in 1 conference?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 20, 2011, 01:43:10 PM
I was just about to report the same thing. Looks like Mizzou and SEC wants to stand at 14 teams.

But now the question is who does the SEC send from the west to the east?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: LashHog on September 20, 2011, 01:48:08 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3155336/source-mizzou-has-sec-offer-but.html (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/09/20/3155336/source-mizzou-has-sec-offer-but.html)

CBS reporting that the SEC has made an "unofficial" offer to the Missouri Tigers.  How many damn tigers can there be in 1 conference?
This would make sense of the SEC's stance of staying at 13 next year. I don't think Slive or any other commissioners are saying anything to the press on accident, it all has a purpose behind it. Maybe Slive was trying to get out there that they were waiting at 13, so that they could wait for the Big12 to further explode, all while working out a deal with Mizzou under the table. If they took Mizzou and aTm at the same time, it would be easier for Baylor to sue them for destroying the conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 20, 2011, 01:53:44 PM
So does the conference split 7 and 7?

If so, enjoy the east Auburn.  Wish it was Bama instead of you.




Mizzou always seemed like a natural fit, despite their being traditionally an average-to-above team in both major sports.

They bring an untapped market to the SEC, they have consistency in both their major sports (though, again, it's consistently average-to-above average) and they are a better geographic fit than, say, West Vagina. 


It would certainly be a fun basketball rival.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TomTHog on September 20, 2011, 01:56:50 PM
So does the conference split 7 and 7?

If so, enjoy the east Auburn.  Wish it was Bama instead of you.

Was just gonna say something like this, as Auburn is the easternmost SEC West team.   Would they put Bummer and Allbarn in different divisions?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 20, 2011, 02:00:29 PM
Was just gonna say something like this, as Auburn is the easternmost SEC West team.   Would they put Bummer and Allbarn in different divisions?

They would have to, unless they add a third new team in the west (Kansas?).

We might be going back to the old (2 permanent, 1 rotating) schedule.   Who's ready to play Tennessee again every year?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on September 20, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
Arkansas                               Arkansas         
TAMU                                       TAMU
LSU                                            LSU
Ole Piss                                  Ole Piss
Mizzou                                 Miss-take
Miss-take                                 Allburn
Bammer                                  Bammer

                           OR
Florida                                      Florida
Georgia                                    Georgia
Allburn                                   West VA
S. Carolina                                USC-E
Tennessee                           Tennessee
Kentucky                               Kentucky
Vandy                                      Vandy
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 20, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
Arkansas                               Arkansas         
TAMU                                       TAMU
LSU                                            LSU
Ole Piss                                  Ole Piss
Mizzou                                 Miss-take
Miss-take                                 Allburn
Bammer                                  Bammer

                           OR
Florida                                      Florida
Georgia                                    Georgia
Allburn                                   West VA
S. Carolina                                USC-E
Tennessee                           Tennessee
Kentucky                               Kentucky
Vandy                                      Vandy

Based on what's been reported/stated with no real basis in fact, just conjucture... it doesn't seem like the SEC will make a play for WVU unless they decide to go for 16 teams.  Which probably means there'll be another eastern team added, which means the original 6 in the west will stay intact.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: copenhaWgen on September 20, 2011, 02:42:52 PM
I know yall don't give a fuck what Clay Travis's opinion is, but I'm posting it anyway.

I've got to believe Missouri is burning up the phone lines to Big 10 right now. 

http://outkickthecoverage.com/the-secs-final-four-of-football.php (http://outkickthecoverage.com/the-secs-final-four-of-football.php)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pork Soda on September 20, 2011, 02:47:24 PM
They would have to, unless they add a third new team in the west (Kansas?).

We might be going back to the old (2 permanent, 1 rotating) schedule.   Who's ready to play Tennessee again every year?

I suppose they could flip one of the East teams to the West and move both bammer and Allbarn.  Maybe Tennersee?  Vandy?  Personnally, I'd rather see the current West stay intact on account of the fact that I hate all those fuckers and want to beat up on them at every chance we gets.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 20, 2011, 02:53:39 PM
Now SEC is denying the Mizzou rumor. This is a crazy week in NCAA.

Likely just posturing on both sides a little. Mizzou desperately has always wanted to be in the big-10.

I'm almost at the point where I think we should stay at 13 teams for a year. All of this drama over second tier schools like WVA and Mizzou really just make us look bad and keep the fans on edge.



edit- from finebaum
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@finebaum
Finebaum Network
RT@vgregorian: SEC's Charles Bloom in phone interview: "The SEC has not extended an invitation to any school beyond Texas A&M ... "


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edit 2

Big 12 still have hope?
http://newsok.com/article/3605958 (http://newsok.com/article/3605958)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ups_hog on September 20, 2011, 03:44:10 PM
Culturally I think WVU is a much better fit than Mizzou.  Mizzou fans think they belong in the Big 10 because of their midwestern ties and academic superiority.  People keep talking about the KC and STL TV markets, but people up here don't really care about cfb and the media hardly talks about it.  On the other hand, maybe that would change if their division included AR/LSU/Bama instead of ISU/KU/KSU.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: radioman on September 20, 2011, 03:52:19 PM

Which will make the LSU/WVA game even more interesting.

You don't want to piss off a mountaineer... when they fight, their arms go all windmill on you   ::) 

http://youtu.be/lW4at8Nf_g8 (http://youtu.be/lW4at8Nf_g8)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 20, 2011, 04:02:25 PM
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on September 20, 2011, 04:27:34 PM
Interesting.
http://newsok.com/article/3605958 (http://newsok.com/article/3605958)

Oklahoma covering its ass.

Want to make sure that Baylor won't try to sue you or the PAC whatever if you leave?  Make it look like you were run off.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: radioman on September 20, 2011, 04:44:45 PM
Culturally I think WVU is a much better fit than Mizzou.  Mizzou fans think they belong in the Big 10 because of their midwestern ties and academic superiority.  People keep talking about the KC and STL TV markets, but people up here don't really care about cfb and the media hardly talks about it.  On the other hand, maybe that would change if their division included AR/LSU/Bama instead of ISU/KU/KSU.

If you are from the South and identify with WV culturally, I am sorry to hear that.  What about WV is a good fit culturally with the South?  Hell, the state was formed because it didn't want to be a part of the South, and their football rivalries are not with southern schools.

According to a survey that I took on the U.S.S. Enterprise about 18 years ago, no one from other parts of the country identifies WV as being in their region, and I am talking about people from bordering states like VA, PA, OH, and Maryland, who composed at least a quarter of the participants.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: El Hogarado on September 20, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
Culturally I think WVU is a much better fit than Mizzou.  Mizzou fans think they belong in the Big 10 because of their midwestern ties and academic superiority.  People keep talking about the KC and STL TV markets, but people up here don't really care about cfb and the media hardly talks about it.  On the other hand, maybe that would change if their division included AR/LSU/Bama instead of ISU/KU/KSU.

I don't see Missouri fans burning couches, FOIAing a coach's cell phone records, burning another team's van, poisoning any trees, or even knowing how to really tailgate for that matter.  Not enough passion up there for football.  

Although, their sorority girls did get Larry Eustachy drunk a few years ago and Quin Snyder snorted cocaine at halftime of their basketball games.  They are clearly a basketball first school.  
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: LashHog on September 20, 2011, 05:01:54 PM
I like the idea of adding Missouri just because of how much fun it would be to see Mike Anderson whip them on the hardwood.

I would guess that 1 of 2 things are going on(yes this is somewhat a captain of the obvious post)...

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 20, 2011, 05:06:32 PM
If you are from the South and identify with WV culturally, I am sorry to hear that.  What about WV is a good fit culturally with the South?  Hell, the state was formed because it didn't want to be a part of the South, and their football rivalries are not with southern schools.

According to a survey that I took on the U.S.S. Enterprise about 18 years ago, no one from other parts of the country identifies WV as being in their region, and I am talking about people from bordering states like VA, PA, OH, and Maryland, who composed at least a quarter of the participants.

Which Enterprise? Kirk or Picard?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: radioman on September 20, 2011, 05:51:40 PM
Which Enterprise? Kirk or Picard?

CVN-65
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on September 20, 2011, 06:16:32 PM
CVN-65

The Big E.  First nuclear powered carrier and the longest naval ship on the seas.  Scott Bakula can suck it.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on September 20, 2011, 06:26:05 PM
CVN-65

I visited the Enterprise back in the early 70's as a Marine. Same ship (CVN-65)? Semper Fi.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ups_hog on September 20, 2011, 08:51:10 PM
If you are from the South and identify with WV culturally, I am sorry to hear that.  What about WV is a good fit culturally with the South?  Starkville, the state was formed because it didn't want to be a part of the South, and their football rivalries are not with southern schools.

According to a survey that I took on the U.S.S. Enterprise about 18 years ago, no one from other parts of the country identifies WV as being in their region, and I am talking about people from bordering states like VA, PA, OH, and Maryland, who composed at least a quarter of the participants.

I'll just ignore the fact that this is a survey you personally did 18 years ago...  So your argument against WVU in the SEC is that people from Big 10 and ACC country don't think WV fits as part of their region?  

How does WVU fit in the SEC better than Mizzou?  Other than this-  
I don't see Missouri fans burning couches, FOIAing a coach's cell phone records, burning another team's van, poisoning any trees, or even knowing how to really tailgate for that matter.  Not enough passion up there for football.  
 

There's also the fact that every college football fan has heard about Morgantown and night games at WVU. Columbia never comes up in the discussion of great college towns or great football environments.  I could drive 2 hours to Columbia, MO to a game, but I would be more excited about flying halfway across the country to go to Morgantown.

On a totally non-important note, just look at the current coaches.  Gary Pinkel makes Nick Saban look exciting.  Dana Holgorsen would be a great character for the SEC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 20, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
According to the ESPN scroller, Mizzou "unofficially" accepts SEC invite.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 20, 2011, 09:06:20 PM
If you are from the South and identify with WV culturally, I am sorry to hear that.  What about WV is a good fit culturally with the South?  Hell, the state was formed because it didn't want to be a part of the South, and their football rivalries are not with southern schools.

According to a survey that I took on the U.S.S. Enterprise about 18 years ago, no one from other parts of the country identifies WV as being in their region, and I am talking about people from bordering states like VA, PA, OH, and Maryland, who composed at least a quarter of the participants.
 

Hillfolk aren't Southern or Northern. Hillfolk are Hillfolk. Many of them in Southern states supported the North, including ones in Arkansas. At least WV has a passionate fanbase which MU doesn't. They wouldn't be my first choice but I'd still rather have them over MU which is a whole bunch of meh.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: FayettenamHog on September 20, 2011, 09:15:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ysuG2O0zw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ysuG2O0zw)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 20, 2011, 10:29:03 PM
Pac-12 is not expanding.

And the drama takes a new twist.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TomTHog on September 20, 2011, 10:51:22 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998589/sec-informal-agreement-add-missouri-according-report (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/6998589/sec-informal-agreement-add-missouri-according-report)

It's allliiiiiiiiiiiivvvvvvve...

Mizzou to the SEC, Aubie to the East
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 20, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
If the Big-12 survives which it looks like It will now. Then Missouri isn't going anywhere. If TAMU still decides to come we will start to hear a LOT more TCU and Louisville rumors.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ups_hog on September 20, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
If the Big-12 survives which it looks like It will now. Then Missouri isn't going anywhere. If TAMU still decides to come we will start to hear a LOT more TCU and Louisville rumors.


If the OK schools stay and the the Big12 survives for now I don't think MO has the balls to leave on their own.  The immediate question becomes do we take the couch burners now or just stay at 13 until this shit all starts again next year.

Of course, this will probably all change before we wake up tomorrow.  No one knows what the fuck is going on, not even the college presidents.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 20, 2011, 11:05:58 PM
If the OK schools stay and the the Big12 survives for now I don't think MO has the balls to leave on their own.  The immediate question becomes do we take the couch burners now or just stay at 13 until this aMm all starts again next year.

Of course, this will probably all change before we wake up tomorrow.  No one knows what the frick is going on, not even the college presidents.

I agree. It is bound to change 100% again within hours. SEC is looking pretty good at being selective and slow in this process. I was reading Mizzou forums all day. Their fans really do not want any part of the SEC. So this is a win for us so far in my opinion.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Mike Slive on September 20, 2011, 11:09:51 PM
When ink is dry, wake me up from this snoozefest.  Otherwise, it's a complete circle jerk and homie don't play that.   
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Das Uberschwein on September 21, 2011, 12:01:53 AM
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 21, 2011, 12:07:48 AM
If TAMU still decides to come we will start to hear a LOT more TCU and Louisville rumors.


 

No we won't unless you start them. TCU has never been in our radar and UK will not want Louisville in this conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Das Uberschwein on September 21, 2011, 12:09:58 AM
 

No we won't unless you start them. TCU has never been in our radar and UK will not want Louisville in this conference.

Yeah, unless something crazy happens there likely won't be an addition of schools located in states which already house SEC schools.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 21, 2011, 12:15:19 AM
I read them all day (rumors). The latest is TCU to the big12. With still an internetz full of TCU to SEC rumors. TCU is not under contract atm. And would be an easy add.

Mizzou is not leaving now. TAMU is hellbent on leaving. WVA was already told "no thank you" and might make the SEC look bad to go back and recant that.
As far as the in state agreement, that is a verbal agreement and some arms could be twisted in Kentucky.
All this being said I still think the SEC may stay at 13 schools for a season. But all of this is conjecture. You guys can moan and whine that rumors do not exist all you want. I pretend my wife doesnt exist at times too... but then she rears her ugly head.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Das Uberschwein on September 21, 2011, 12:18:13 AM
I read them all day (rumors). The latest is TCU to the big12. With still an internetz full of TCU to SEC rumors. TCU is not under contract atm. And would be an easy add.

Mizzou is not leaving now. TAMU is hellbent on leaving. WVA was already told "no thank you" and might make the SEC look bad to go back and recant that.
As far as the in state agreement, that is a verbal agreement and some arms could be twisted in Kentucky.
All this being said I still think the SEC may stay at 13 schools for a season. But all of this is conjecture. You guys can moan and whine that rumors do not exist all you want. I pretend my wife doesnt exist at times too... but then she rears her ugly head.


TCU to the Big 12 sounds much more realistic. But, who knows these days? I saw an article on the Sporting News online that said Texass was sniffing around at the ACC. Craziness.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Mike Slive on September 21, 2011, 12:25:23 AM
But all of this is conjecture.ou You guys can moan and whine that rumors do not exist all ywant. I pretend my wife doesnt exist at times too... but then she rears her ugly head.



WTFuck are you talking about?  ALL that exist is rumors so far.  And yes, your wife does give some ugly head.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 21, 2011, 01:14:33 AM
I read them all day (rumors). The latest is TCU to the big12. With still an internetz full of TCU to SEC rumors. TCU is not under contract atm. And would be an easy add.

Mizzou is not leaving now. TAMU is hellbent on leaving. WVA was already told "no thank you" and might make the SEC look bad to go back and recant that.
As far as the in state agreement, that is a verbal agreement and some arms could be twisted in Kentucky.
All this being said I still think the SEC may stay at 13 schools for a season. But all of this is conjecture. You guys can moan and whine that rumors do not exist all you want. I pretend my wife doesnt exist at times too... but then she rears her ugly head.


 

Ain't no school whose stadium is named after a gawddamn shitty pizza chain gonna get an invite from the SEC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: reverendhog on September 21, 2011, 01:21:47 AM
"PAC 12" announcing they are just fine with 12 members. Don't need any other teams to add to their conference, thank you very much.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PigBangTheory on September 21, 2011, 08:07:08 AM
They would have to, unless they add a third new team in the west (Kansas?).

We might be going back to the old (2 permanent, 1 rotating) schedule.   Who's ready to play Tennessee again every year?

Kansas blew it when they ran off the only coach in 40 years worth a shit to be on campus. They had serious
momentum to upgrade facilities but that's pretty much come to a screeching halt. They still think the BigTen+?
or the Pac10+2+? needs them because the basketball program is a national treasure. Mizzou to the SEC will
pretty much eviscerate recruiting for KU foosball. KU should have been throwin' money at football for years, but
they didn't and now, they still suck. Guess that's why all the upheaval in the AD, serious ball droppin' goin' on.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on September 21, 2011, 08:27:37 AM
I think the point OU is trying to make in the press is precisely on point.  Texass needs to concede to more equal revenue sharing, get rid of the longwhorn network, and then for fun they want Beebe out.  Revenue and than Whorn network has everyone pissed off.  Give everyone more of an equal share, and the conference stabilizes, and will be attractive to teams that might want in.  If they stay at 9, they won't survive.  They better get back to 12.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: boomer_sooie on September 21, 2011, 08:35:21 AM
"PAC 12" announcing they are just fine with 12 members. Don't need any other teams to add to their conference, thank you very much.

I can't wait to see how OU tries to spin this shit. Apparently its last proposal to stay in the Big 12 was for the current Commissioner to step down and for there to be drastic changes in the Longhorn network. Turns out the PAC also wanted changes in the Longhorn Network for there to be equal distribution among all schools in the conference and Tejas said no. Now because OU really has no options they'll get to play in the Big 12 for a couple of more years while the Longhorn Network runs wild and free.


(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/ha-ha-ha2.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on September 21, 2011, 08:37:38 AM
while the Longhorn Network runs wild and free.

and nobody carries it.  At this point, I believe there is a "Longhorn Network" as much as I believe SLU is putting out a "Billiken Network." 

If nobody can see it or hear it, does it actually exist?

/MINDFREAK
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PigBangTheory on September 21, 2011, 08:42:18 AM
"PAC 12" announcing they are just fine with 12 members. Don't need any other teams to add to their conference, thank you very much.

Didn't the SEC pretty much say the same thing about aTm and then did the 180 a week later. I think OU and OSU are gonna find a new
home, but who really fucking knows?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 21, 2011, 08:51:02 AM
I've been saying for the longest time that Oklahoma really had no options.  People are stupid and get to thinking that this is somehow related to how big of a football factory you have - heck, the SEC and Pac 12 both have plenty of football factories on the level of the Sooners.  Big Whoop.

The whole TV market thing is vastly overblown too.  We all know the "academic fit" is simply a front.  

OK is not favored by geography, footprint for a conference, tv market, culture or academics.  OK has no vast pool of recruits that anyone is going to fight over either.  It's been one big long bluff for a while for them simply because they were aware how bad it looked for them to hang to Texas' ass hairs.  Bluff over.  They're going to have to make the Big 12 work, which isn't really a bad option for them and Texas anyway.  

Bring in BYU, TCU and Houston and you have a fine 12 team conference that Texas still controls.  Bring in Boise and you have a media darling.  What's the negative for Texas and their little bitch in Norman?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on September 21, 2011, 08:57:49 AM
I've been saying for the longest time that Oklahoma really had no options.  People are stupid and get to thinking that this is somehow related to how big of a football factory you have - heck, the SEC and Pac 12 both have plenty of football factories on the level of the Sooners.  Big Whoop.

The whole TV market thing is vastly overblown too.  We all know the "academic fit" is simply a front.  

OK is not favored by geography, footprint for a conference, tv market, culture or academics.  OK has no vast pool of recruits that anyone is going to fight over either.  It's been one big long bluff for a while for them simply because they were aware how bad it looked for them to hang to Texas' ass hairs.  Bluff over.  They're going to have to make the Big 12 work, which isn't really a bad option for them and Texas anyway.  

Bring in BYU, TCU and Houston and you have a fine 12 team conference that Texas still controls.  Bring in Boise and you have a media darling.  What's the negative for Texas and their little bitch in Norman?

There option out would be to follow Texas M&Ms to the SEC because I'm sure the SEC would take them.  But I think they like the taste of Texas' ass hairs.   :sick:

I'm really glad we had the cajones to step away when we did.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PigBangTheory on September 21, 2011, 09:06:24 AM
but who really fricking knows?

Recant of this statement. Cerdo knows.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 21, 2011, 09:08:47 AM
Give me one good reason why a conference with 2 national TV contracts, who is already getting played in every football watching house in OK, would want or need the Sooners.  
They have no recruits.  They have TV markets the size of Memphis or less and again, we're already in them.  They add nothing that the SEC doesn't already have, in spades.  

Texas A&M was the prize for the SEC - a huge footprint in Texas local news and the ability to claim Texas as SEC country.  A&M has the big budget and alumni base.  They're good enough in all the sports.  They bring upside while bringing few demands, unlike the Sooners and Longhorns.  

The SEC wants a school in NC or VA.  They'd fall back and take Mizzou simply for the purposes of blocking out the Big 10 and completing a 14th and I'm not sure they even need a 14th team - it may stay 13 for a while.  

We aren't going to 16 team mega conferences - that's always been media bullshit that the herd believes.  Everyone is going to max out at 14 because after that, there really isn't anyone out there for the big conferences that adds anything substantial.  

The Big 10 wants Notre Dame and knows that at some point Rutgers is the smart long term move so that you can have a toe hold for trying to actually create college football fans in the biggest market that exists.   Mizzou is their fallback and UConn is going to be somebody's fall back as well - Big 10 or ACC.  

I may be all wrong but I just think that almost all the stuff we have heard for 2 years is misinformation and spin and posturing.  Once you really look at it all from each player's perspective, it doesn't look at all like what we keep hearing from ESPN and such. 

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on September 21, 2011, 09:09:41 AM
I'd rather eat shit and die than see OK and OK St. in the SEC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PigBangTheory on September 21, 2011, 09:13:54 AM
I don't see them in the SEC, but I can the PAC? I may be wrong, but if the PAC? is willing to add Utah and Colorado, I could certainly see OU added along with OSU.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on September 21, 2011, 09:16:58 AM
Give me one good reason why a conference with 2 national TV contracts, who is already getting played in every football watching house in OK, would want or need the Sooners.  
They have no recruits.  They have TV markets the size of Memphis or less and again, we're already in them.  They add nothing that the SEC doesn't already have, in spades.  

Texas A&M was the prize for the SEC - a huge footprint in Texas local news and the ability to claim Texas as SEC country.  A&M has the big budget and alumni base.  They're good enough in all the sports.  They bring upside while bringing few demands, unlike the Sooners and Longhorns.  

The SEC wants a school in NC or VA.  They'd fall back and take Mizzou simply for the purposes of blocking out the Big 10 and completing a 14th and I'm not sure they even need a 14th team - it may stay 13 for a while.  

We aren't going to 16 team mega conferences - that's always been media bullshit that the herd believes.  Everyone is going to max out at 14 because after that, there really isn't anyone out there for the big conferences that adds anything substantial.  

The Big 10 wants Notre Dame and knows that at some point Rutgers is the smart long term move so that you can have a toe hold for trying to actually create college football fans in the biggest market that exists.   Mizzou is their fallback and UConn is going to be somebody's fall back as well - Big 10 or ACC.  

I may be all wrong but I just think that almost all the stuff we have heard for 2 years is misinformation and spin and posturing.  Once you really look at it all from each player's perspective, it doesn't look at all like what we keep hearing from ESPN and such. 




I could be wrong, but I do not think the SEC would decline OK like like they did WVA.  They may want a VA Tech or a NC, but unlike the Big East the ACC has taken steps to ensure they do not lose any of their members.  If OK approached the SEC I just don't see us saying no.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PigBangTheory on September 21, 2011, 09:23:34 AM
Worst case scenario is, the SEC and media hunker down and start counting beans and the process of culling teams begins. I realize this is a
falling sky possibility and at this point the SEC seems immune to the viral nature of what is going on in collegiate athletics. But anything ain't
suprising me anymore in regards to this shit. It certainly would be d-vasting to lose members of this conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 21, 2011, 09:30:36 AM
I'll answer my own question, just to play Devil's Advocate to my theories.

The SEC already had a huge slate of exciting and meaningful conference games late in the season.  There are so many good SEC games on a November Saturday right now that TV runs out of good space for them and ends up sticking 2 good games against each other on the 2 ESPN channels going head to head.  The 11 am game sometimes in November is better than anything the Big 12 or Big East and ACC can offer up sometimes for 2 pm.  This conference now also plays big games early in the season for TV, like Auburn vs MS State and big cross conference games for TV like LSU vs WV and GA vs Boise and bammer against Penn St. 

What the Sooners would bring is one more big time program that would give you a steady slate of 8-9 new intriguing conference matchups.  It would be enough to possibly force the SEC to build it's own package of 4 channels and an SEC network like I have on my TV with the Big 10.  OK and A&M now give you essentially 12 full time football powers with history to go with KY and Vandy.  Now matter the match up, you could count on 4 or more matchups every Saturday to put on at prime time on 3 to 4 different SEC owned channels or essentially all day long on CBS/ESPN networks.  The thing is, if you go to only SEC TV on premium channels, you also run the risk of doing to your product long term what big time boxing has slowly done to its product. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on September 21, 2011, 09:32:42 AM
Worst case scenario is, the SEC and media hunker down and start counting beans and the process of culling teams begins. I realize this is a
falling sky possibility and at this point the SEC seems immune to the viral nature of what is going on in collegiate athletics. But anything ain't
suprising me anymore in regards to this aMm. It certainly would be d-vasting to lose members of this conference.
I think at some point, this could certainly happen.  I don't think any SEC teams would be in danger but if I were Arizona State or Boston College or someone like that, I would certainly look to improve my profile within my power conference. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on September 21, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
The SEC wants a school in NC or VA.  They'd fall back and take Mizzou simply for the purposes of blocking out the Big 10 and completing a 14th and I'm not sure they even need a 14th team - it may stay 13 for a while.  

This has probably been covered before but how exactly does a 13-team schedule in a split division conference work?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on September 21, 2011, 09:40:55 AM
This has probably been covered before but how exactly does a 13-team schedule in a split division conference work?
Might as well just ask how the posi trac on the rear end of a Plymouth works.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: copenhaWgen on September 21, 2011, 09:43:13 AM
This has probably been covered before but how exactly does a 13-team schedule in a split division conference work?

It doesn't.  It is impossible.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on September 21, 2011, 09:51:38 AM
So we get to split our TV revenue with a new member, have a fucked up scheduling problem for football, and none of the other conferences are expanding (except for the ACC).

Well-played, Slive.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogfan58 on September 21, 2011, 09:54:27 AM
Here in DFW the talk on radio/print media is about how the LHN is at the root of the demise of the Big 129whatever. But what they never talk about, and what I honestly don't understand, is that if no one gets it and thus no one watches it, then what exactly is the big deal? At year 2 or year 3 when only 2 loser cable companies carry it does ESPN pull the plug on it? Then it's much to do about nothing. Don't get me wrong...I love that it's causing all this shit storm, but right now I just don't see what big advantage the whorns are getting from it because nobody can watch it. And did ESPN pay the whorns all the $$ up front? If they did, then they are idiots.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 21, 2011, 10:06:45 AM
It doesn't.  It is impossible.

Everybody gets to beat Ole Miss.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: arreferee on September 21, 2011, 10:37:17 AM
Might as well just ask how the posi trac on the rear end of a Plymouth works.

Just as her:

(http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mycousinvinnyquestioning.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TomTHog on September 21, 2011, 11:09:31 AM
Just as her:

(http://www.jonathanrosenbaum.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mycousinvinnyquestioning.jpg)

Mizzou doesn't blend.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: shortstop6 on September 21, 2011, 12:29:53 PM
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on September 21, 2011, 01:09:21 PM
OU is fucked.  Texas had no real interest in going into the Pac12 under any but its own terms. 

Looks like Beebe is going to have to go suck dick in New Mexico or Canada.  Does Saskatchewan play football?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on September 21, 2011, 01:54:31 PM
OU is fucked.  Texas had no real interest in going into the Pac12 under any but its own terms. 

Looks like Beebe is going to have to go suck dick in New Mexico or Canada.  Does Saskatchewan play football?

He can be the next AD at Ole Miss.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: razor5396 on September 21, 2011, 05:55:37 PM
Apparently Hitler is a Big East fan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-f9O0eZjUI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-f9O0eZjUI)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ArkGuy on September 21, 2011, 07:53:35 PM
This has probably been covered before but how exactly does a 13-team schedule in a split division conference work?

This is quick and dirty and flawed but it would probably involve the least disruption on short notice.

1.  Keep the divisions as they are except add A$M to the West.
2.  Every team plays the exact same conference schedule they were planning on playing.
3.  The six current West teams all have to drop one of their rent-a-wins and add A$M (except Arkansas since we already have a game against them).  This gives A$M six conference games.  The "original" West teams thus will have 9 conference games instead of 8, six now in their division and three from the other, on the same rotation as currently exists.
4.  A&M plays 1/2 the East for two years, home and home, then the next two years plays the other three, home and home.  These will be conference games for A&M, giving them 9, just like their West brethren.  The three East teams playing A$M in any particular year will play this game in addition to the SEC games they were planning on playing and will drop a rent-a-win to do so.  These will be considered NON-conference games for those 3 East teams.

So, the 7 West teams will play 9 conference games and the East teams will play 8.  No rilvary games will be lost.  The six original west teams wil thus lose 0.5 home games per year.  DThe East teams will lose 1 home game every four years.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: boomer_sooie on September 21, 2011, 11:24:38 PM
OU is fucked.  Texas had no real interest in going into the Pac12 under any but its own terms. 

Looks like Beebe is going to have to go suck dick in New Mexico or Canada.  Does Saskatchewan play football?

Looks like he will have plenty of time. The bottom line on ESPN said that the KC Star is reporting that he's resigning/stepping down/ told to GTFO.

I like how everything is reported at night. It's as if they enjoy having everyone wake up in the morning and being completely surprised by the most recent "reports".
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: papermill on September 21, 2011, 11:26:01 PM
That guy playing Hitler acts like my boss

and the rest of the guys act like us in meetings with him - "What the fuck?  Is this guy nuts?"
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogtired on September 22, 2011, 07:57:46 AM
After reading this thread and taking out the trusty slide rule here are a couple of observations:

1 - Cerdo knows his shit
2 - Tejas is a greedy motherfricker and OU/OSU are fricked
3 - Smoke screen with the Pac 12 by the Big 12 schools since the impact on the student athlete will cause major issues due to travel, time away from class and greater NCAA scrutiny (I know this may seem like a joke but it is very real with a new sheriff in town)
4 - Colonel Reb is a dumbass (couldn't resist)
5 - My screen door is broken
 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 22, 2011, 03:47:45 PM
FSU and Maryland shot down higher ACC exit fees:

http://dc.sbnation.com/maryland-terrapins/2011/9/22/2442352/conference-realignment-acc-exit-fee-maryland (http://dc.sbnation.com/maryland-terrapins/2011/9/22/2442352/conference-realignment-acc-exit-fee-maryland)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 22, 2011, 04:26:25 PM
I saw that today. I'm trying not to read too much into it.

20 mill is a hellova buyout, I think they wanted to raise it to 34mil?  I cannot see Maryland going anywhere and to be honest, cannot see FSU going anywhere. But FSU would be a cool add for the SEC, maybe not so much for Florida, but for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PigBangTheory on September 22, 2011, 05:15:56 PM
After reading this thread and taking out the trusty slide rule here are a couple of observations:
1 - Cerdo knows his aMm
2 - Tejas is a greedy motherfricker and OU/OSU are fricked
3 - Smoke screen with the Pac 12 by the Big 12 schools since the impact on the student athlete will cause major issues due to travel, time away from class and greater NCAA scrutiny (I know this may seem like a joke but it is very real with a new sheriff in town)
4 - Colonel Reb is a dumbass (couldn't resist)
5 - My screen door is broken
 

Agreed on all counts. I do think Dan Patrick's take (actually, according to  sources) on the whole situation was interesting this morning. Top 64 teams, 4 divisions, a true playoff system and the ouster of the NCAA from the equation. The other schools will fall to FBS or what ever the Div.2 is now, One would assume. No more BCS or BCS buster scenarios.

Seems to me that this could open the door for the universities to transition the NCAA out the door in the other sports too.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 23, 2011, 09:30:51 AM
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on September 23, 2011, 10:27:02 AM
I'd like to see Mizzou in the SEC I think it could make for a good geographical rivalry. Personally, living in Southern MO, I'd love to rub it the faces of these Tiger bandwagon fans every chance I got. I've already squeezed every possible ounce of satisfaction out of the Mike Anderson/Miami Coach hires.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 23, 2011, 08:02:43 PM
I don't want a school that is going to perpetually pine for spot in the Big10.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: nobu on September 23, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
I don't want a school that is going to perpetually pine for spot in the Big10.

I agree. I spent erg wasted 2 days on mizzou forums... they DO NOT WANT SEC in general. 70% of the posts were all about "leverage" to get into the big 10.

People that stupid.. they dont even deserve to get beat by us every year.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on September 23, 2011, 08:48:00 PM
I don't want a school that is going to perpetually pine for spot in the Big10.

You are probably right in that regard. But, to avoid the scheduling nightmare of 13 teams, the SEC will have to do something. Assuming of course that the A&M deal still comes off. Most likely will as I think they are way beyond sick of the joke that is UT. All of this is conjecture, of course. But between Missouri (wanting to be a B1G) and West Virginia (hat in hand); I would opt for the latter. Better someone that wants in than someone who has run out of options.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 23, 2011, 08:59:42 PM
West Virginia might not be in the South but their fans have the type of crazy that I as a SEC fan fully endorse.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on September 23, 2011, 09:13:03 PM
West Virginia might not be in the South but their fans have the type of crazy that I as a SEC fan fully endorse.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on September 23, 2011, 09:14:08 PM
West Virginia might not be in the South but their fans have the type of crazy that I as a SEC fan fully endorse.

Ah yes, Morgantown in all it's couch burning glory. Can you imagine those ole piss daisy boys with their polo shirts, pom poms, and backwards mullets being eye-fricked by a bunch of 'shine drunk Appalachian hillbillies outside Milan Puskar Stadium. Priceless.

Geographically, Mizzou +1
Culturally, WVU +1
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on September 23, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
I took a look at Tigerboard (they need to nuke that format) and it seems like most there prefer leaving for the SEC. I've been reading threads over on TD and the gist I get over there from a Mizzou fan is that Mizzou fans are now sold on the SEC and if they stay in the Big 12, it's going to get ugly for their higher-ups. I don't think they believe they have any shot of going to the Big 10.

This is the place where I've found a lot of expansion rumors lately:
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/b/17/Conference-Expansion.aspx (http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/b/17/Conference-Expansion.aspx)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on September 23, 2011, 09:42:37 PM
If two new teams came into the West, who would get kicked out, Allburn?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on September 23, 2011, 09:48:38 PM
I don't think they believe they have any shot of going to the Big 10.
That ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on October 04, 2011, 07:35:12 PM
Mizzou to SEC.

Mizzou Chancellor resigns from Big12 board.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/missouri-curators-give-chancellor-authority-to-decide-conference-course/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/missouri-curators-give-chancellor-authority-to-decide-conference-course/1)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razorback Jedi on October 04, 2011, 07:58:32 PM
Mizzou to SEC.

Mizzou Chancellor resigns from Big12 board.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/missouri-curators-give-chancellor-authority-to-decide-conference-course/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/10/missouri-curators-give-chancellor-authority-to-decide-conference-course/1)

West
A&M
Mizzu
LSU
ARK
OMiss
MSU
-- Vandy

East
KY
TN
GA
FLA
USC
-- AL
-- AU
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: MDEM on October 04, 2011, 08:31:54 PM
Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.  It's fucking missouri goddamnit.

We were just weakened by this.  goddamnit to hell.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on October 04, 2011, 08:37:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rloidlFbi4w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rloidlFbi4w)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: APhiOHog on October 04, 2011, 08:39:20 PM
Fuck it.  Now let's just add 2 more in the East and get this uber-conference party started.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 04, 2011, 09:18:34 PM
West
A&M
Mizzu
LSU
ARK
OMiss
MSU
-- Vandy

East
KY
TN
GA
FLA
USC
-- AL
-- AU



(http://www.prlog.org/11310326-success-kid.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 04, 2011, 09:25:13 PM
(http://www.prlog.org/11310326-success-kid.jpg)

Is this good or bad face?

How about one of these:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 04, 2011, 09:44:04 PM
In the above conference breakdown, assuming we keep the 1 permanent opponent for each division team...


TAMU -- Alabama
Mizzou -- Auburn
Arkansas -- SoCar
LSU -- Florida
Miss -- Georgia
Miss St -- Kentucky
Vandy -- Tennessee

You can switch the Bama/ex-BigXII opponents, but the rest are pretty well set due to existing rivalries.   The big change is Old Miss losing Vandy as an eastern opponent and picking up the only remaining team. Georgia. 


L. O. L.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: JerHog on October 04, 2011, 09:46:25 PM
In the above conference breakdown, assuming we keep the 1 permanent opponent for each division team...


TAMU -- Alabama
Mizzou -- Auburn
Arkansas -- SoCar
LSU -- Florida
Miss -- Georgia
Miss St -- Kentucky
Vandy -- Tennessee

You can switch the Bama/ex-BigXII opponents, but the rest are pretty well set due to existing rivalries.   The big change is Old Miss losing Vandy as an eastern opponent and picking up the only remaining team. Georgia. 


L. O. L.

winner
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Count Porkula on October 04, 2011, 10:32:08 PM
so if Mizzou joins does Jar come back and with cookies?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hoggadore on October 04, 2011, 10:46:12 PM
For what it's worth, there's a short-notice SEC meeting tomorrow.  Presumably that means they haven't made the vote yet.

I hope the Mizzou Chancellor just stepped down so he could talk to other conferences.  Seems unethical to be on the board of one conference while trying to join another.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Reaganite on October 05, 2011, 12:19:07 AM
West
A&M
Mizzu
LSU
ARK
OMiss
MSU
-- Vandy

East
KY
TN
GA
FLA
USC
-- AL
-- AU


By my math, the Western Divison champ will come down to LSU/Arkansas most years, as long as Petrino is here.

Florida, Georgia, Bama will beat each other up in the East.


What's not to love about that?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TUSK_U on October 05, 2011, 02:13:55 AM
If Mizzoo does come to the SEC, how bad do you think this hurts our chances with DGB?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PinkJerseyBoy on October 05, 2011, 06:19:39 AM
If Mizzoo does come to the SEC, how bad do you think this hurts our chances with DGB?
0%
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pork Soda on October 05, 2011, 06:25:43 AM
If Mizzoo does come to the SEC, how bad do you think this hurts our chances with DGB?

Not sure about DGB, but I have to think it hurts our Mizourah-poaching in general, at least over time.  Our biggest advantage over Mizzou, other than coaching staff, is nullified.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Filthy_McSwine on October 05, 2011, 07:38:15 AM
Not sure about DGB, but I have to think it hurts our Mizourah-poaching in general, at least over time.  Our biggest advantage over Mizzou, other than coaching staff, is nullified.

I agree.  I think it hurts with DGB as well.  On the other hand, Wright's almost 300 yard game can't hurt. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pork Soda on October 05, 2011, 07:46:24 AM
I agree.  I think it hurts with DGB as well.  On the other hand, Wright's almost 300 yard game can't hurt. 

I honestly don't see why any top-flight WR in the country, after watching this team play, could turn down an offer from BMFP if he really is high on them.  We go, what, 6 or 7 deep at the position, but they all get their time in the spotlight and they all know that the ball is going to be thrown.  A lot.  The one negative is that you might want to go to a team where you'd be the guy and not have to compete so hard for reps and targets.  The only thing left is to get some of these guys into the NFL in the first couple of rounds.  If Childs hadn't had that injury last year, he'd be high on the draft boards by now.  Cobi will be there by end of next season, I think.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: papermill on October 05, 2011, 07:54:42 AM
perfect

I personally need all of the expansion to be to the west because:

a)  it should get Alabama out of our damned division
b)  it means the ACC won't get poached

Both my teams come out alright
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: The Red Death on October 05, 2011, 08:01:39 AM
Alabama will stay in the west.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 05, 2011, 09:19:11 AM
Alabama will stay in the west.

Geographically that doesn't make sense. The only reason they'd leave Bama in the West would be some kind of perceived competitive balance. That is possible, but I'd call it unlikely.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Ty Webb on October 05, 2011, 09:38:27 AM
Alabama will stay in the west.
This. People that think Bama and Vandy are gonna trade spots just have wishful thinking. No way that happens. Allburn goes to the East, TXAM and Mizzou to West, SEC goes to 9 game conference schedule and we roll on....
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: razorwire on October 05, 2011, 09:46:14 AM
WEST
Arkansas
LSU
MSU
OMiss
aTm
TN
Vandy

EAST
AL
AU
FL
GA
KY
USC
VATech

6 games in division
4 games cross division
2 out-of-conf. powder puffs
SEC Championship Game
BCS Championship Game (every damn year)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Phat_Hawg on October 05, 2011, 09:57:15 AM
The big change is Old Miss losing Vandy as an eastern opponent and picking up the only remaining team. Georgia. 


L. O. L.


Sucks for Vandy.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: LashHog on October 05, 2011, 10:14:18 AM
This fear of Bama is just plain retarded. Keep in the west...they won't beat us every year. Two years ago we were not that great and still played with them for a half. Last year we should have beaten them and then literally gift wrapped the ball and tossed it up to them to give the game away. This year they were clearly better but some special teams plays made it look worse than it really was, and it made it worse that our biggest weaknesses (OL and RB) are pretty much the worst places to have a weakness against a team like Bama.

I'm fine with the Missouri move because it'll be fun in basketball and we'll probably have a ton of fans at football games in Columbia, but everyone wanting to move Bama to the east is just being reactionary.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: MDEM on October 05, 2011, 11:44:50 AM
Geographically that doesn't make sense. The only reason they'd leave Bama in the West would be some kind of perceived competitive balance. That is possible, but I'd call it unlikely.

Perceived?  We move Bama and Auburn to the East, and replace them with A&M, Vandy, and Misery...the word "perceived" doesn't fit.  That IS an imbalance, and we come out on the short end of that stick.

Missouri makes us weaker unless they leave Bama and Auburn alone.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 05, 2011, 12:19:31 PM
This. People that think Bama and Vandy are gonna trade spots just have wishful thinking. No way that happens. Allburn goes to the East, TXAM and Mizzou to West, SEC goes to 9 game conference schedule and we roll on....

The more I think about it, the more this makes sense.  Of course the only way to make it work would be to have 2 permanent and 1 rotating non-division games like the old days.  Because I don't see Bama giving up on the Tennessee game.  They might, but I think both sides have the will and Bama has the stroke to keep the series going. 


**WARNING:  LONG-WINDED RANT AHEAD!**

Moving both Alabama and Auburn to the east wouldn't tip the balance of power to one division, since right now the balance is already tipped. The SECW is the stronger division. Moving the 2 bama schools east would simply flip the balance of power to the east.

If you were to number the SEC from 1-12, based on the past, say, 5 years, as well as a projection for the next 5 years, I'd probably look like this:

1  Bama -- W
2  Florida -- E
3  LSU -- W
4  Arkansas -- W
5  Auburn -- W
6  Georgia -- E
7  So Car -- E
8  Tennessee -- E
9  Miss St -- W
10 Ole Miss -- W
11 Kentucky -- E
12 Vandy -- E

A few of those could be swapped around, but that's probably fairly close.  The West has 4 of the top 6 teams in the SEC.


Add in the two new schools and move the bama schools east and Vandy west, and it looks like this:

1  Bama -- E
2  Florida -- E
3  LSU -- W
4  Arkansas -- W
5  Auburn -- E
6  Georgia -- E
7  So Car -- E
8  Tennessee -- E
9  TAMU -- W
10 Mizzou -- W
11 Miss St -- W
12 Ole Miss -- W
13 Kentucky -- E
14 Vandy -- W

Now the East has 5 of the top 7 teams.



So the only way to truly even out the divisions would be to just move Auburn to the east.

1  Bama -- W
2  Florida -- E
3  LSU -- W
4  Arkansas -- W
5  Auburn -- E
6  Georgia -- E
7  So Car -- E
8  Tennessee -- E
9  TAMU -- W
10 Mizzou -- W
11 Miss St -- W
12 Ole Miss -- W
13 Kentucky -- E
14 Vandy -- E

That's a 4-3 Eastern slant.


And assuming we go back to the 2 permanent opponent schedule...


TAMU -- Georgia, Vandy
Mizzou -- Auburn, Kentucky
Ark -- So Car, Tennessee
LSU -- Florida, SoCar
Miss -- Vandy, Georgia
Miss St -- Kentucky, Florida
Bama -- Tennessee, Auburn


Auburn -- Mizzou, Alabama
Vandy -- Miss, TAMU
Tenn -- Alabama, Arkansas
Kentucky -- Miss St, Mizzou
So Car -- Arkansas, LSU
Georgia -- TAMU, Miss
Florida -- LSU, Miss St



There I'm done
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 05, 2011, 12:43:50 PM

And assuming we go back to the 2 permanent opponent schedule...


TAMU -- Georgia, Vandy
Mizzou -- Auburn, Kentucky
Ark -- So Car, Tennessee
LSU -- Florida, SoCar
Miss -- Vandy, Georgia
Miss St -- Kentucky, Florida
Bama -- Tennessee, Auburn


Auburn -- Mizzou, Alabama
Vandy -- Miss, TAMU
Tenn -- Alabama, Arkansas
Kentucky -- Miss St, Mizzou
So Car -- Arkansas, LSU
Georgia -- TAMU, Miss
Florida -- LSU, Miss St



There I'm done

This makes the most sense. Especially if you predict a Georgia and Tennessee return to the top 15 at some point. On Mizzou, I know football is the straw that stirs the drink, but I think they'll add value to the SEC in basketball and baseball. Back to football, they were ranked #1 country in the AP Poll in late 2007, so there is a little bit of something there.

I'll go light my screen door on fire now.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on October 05, 2011, 12:57:58 PM
I personally think you should do away with the "permanent" east opponent.  The bigger the conference gets, the harder it is to play all of the conference foes every 3-4 years.  Plus, if a team like Vandy or LoL Miss is on your schedule permanently, there is a strength of schedule advantage that is permanent, (provided the hoot is still over in oxfart). 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razorback Jedi on October 05, 2011, 01:09:51 PM
I personally think you should do away with the "permanent" east opponent.  The bigger the conference gets, the harder it is to play all of the conference foes every 3-4 years.  Plus, if a team like Vandy or LoL Miss is on your schedule permanently, there is a strength of schedule advantage that is permanent, (provided the hoot is still over in oxfart). 

While I agree there is a scheduling advantage, there are some pretty long-standing rivalries that would go away if that happened.

GA/AU
Bama/UT

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 05, 2011, 01:24:47 PM
While I agree there is a scheduling advantage, there are some pretty long-standing rivalries that would go away if that happened.

GA/AU
Bama/UT



What's funny is the two rivalries you mentioned are pretty much the only reason the permanent schedule was done in the first place.

I mean, what other east/west rivalry is there?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Splurge on October 05, 2011, 01:37:25 PM
This fear of Bama is just plain retarded. Keep in the west...they won't beat us every year. Two years ago we were not that great and still played with them for a half. Last year we should have beaten them and then literally gift wrapped the ball and tossed it up to them to give the game away. This year they were clearly better but some special teams plays made it look worse than it really was, and it made it worse that our biggest weaknesses (OL and RB) are pretty much the worst places to have a weakness against a team like Bama.

I'm fine with the Missouri move because it'll be fun in basketball and we'll probably have a ton of fans at football games in Columbia, but everyone wanting to move Bama to the east is just being reactionary.

Agree with this completely.  Saban won't be there forever and when he's gone, there's a better than 50/50 chance they'll have another Dubose or Shula.  To hell with Bama.  I'm happy to play them every year.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on October 05, 2011, 01:37:36 PM
What's funny is the two rivalries you mentioned are pretty much the only reason the permanent schedule was done in the first place.

I mean, what other east/west rivalry is there?

LSU/UF would like a word with you.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on October 05, 2011, 01:42:46 PM
LSU/UF would like a word with you.

That's a rivalry because of the permanent opponents.  It wasn't really that big of a deal historically.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: shortstop6 on October 05, 2011, 01:43:42 PM
While I agree there is a scheduling advantage, there are some pretty long-standing rivalries that would go away if that happened.

GA/AU
Bama/UT

They'll get over it...

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XkUqCBRX-Ps/RhdAAUTg1xI/AAAAAAAAAEA/iqEY11Iw6qk/s400/longhorn.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: The Whyte Boar on October 05, 2011, 01:52:59 PM
In the same article a few weeks ago where Auburn said it would go east if needed, it was said that permanent cross division opponents would be eliminated.  That means that Alabama and Auburne HAVE to be in the same division.  And of course, the most geographically sound division of the teams when A&M and Mizzou are added would have Vandy in the West and Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee all in the East.  A line straight up the western border of Alabama would accomplish that.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on October 05, 2011, 01:58:34 PM
So, for those of us who don't know the minute-by-minute, is Missou "in the chute" towards joining the SEC, or is all this talk just based on the bluster around them resigning from the Big XII boards and "exploring possibilities"?

I'll hang up and listen.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on October 05, 2011, 02:02:02 PM
In the same article a few weeks ago where Auburn said it would go east if needed, it was said that permanent cross division opponents would be eliminated.  That means that Alabama and Auburne HAVE to be in the same division.  And of course, the most geographically sound division of the teams when A&M and Mizzou are added would have Vandy in the West and Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee all in the East.  A line straight up the western border of Alabama would accomplish that.
Auburn and Alabama took a 41 year break in their rivalry.



Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: LashHog on October 05, 2011, 02:06:32 PM
So, for those of us who don't know the minute-by-minute, is Missou "in the chute" towards joining the SEC, or is all this talk just based on the bluster around them resigning from the Big XII boards and "exploring possibilities"?

I'll hang up and listen.
Both, I think. Based on the bluster....it seems evident they are headed to the SEC just like when aTm was "exploring conferences." It's all posturing for legal reasons, I think.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Rocket_City_Hawg on October 05, 2011, 02:14:32 PM
In the same article a few weeks ago where Auburn said it would go east if needed, it was said that permanent cross division opponents would be eliminated.  That means that Alabama and Auburne HAVE to be in the same division.  And of course, the most geographically sound division of the teams when A&M and Mizzou are added would have Vandy in the West and Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee all in the East.  A line straight up the western border of Alabama would accomplish that.

Nashville is more eastern than Tuscaloosa.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 05, 2011, 02:20:28 PM
Auburn and Alabama took a 41 year break in their rivalry.


Shirley you concede that college football is in a different place now.

The Iron Bowl is a big ratings getter.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on October 05, 2011, 02:24:55 PM
Shirley you concede that college football is in a different place now.

The Iron Bowl is a big ratings getter.
Basically I'm just saying fuck Alabama and Auburn. I hope they get split and don't get their regular game.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: LashHog on October 05, 2011, 02:30:09 PM
Basically I'm just saying fuck Alabama and Auburn. I hope they get split and don't get their regular game.
It's good to have dreams, no matter how unreachable they might be.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 05, 2011, 02:36:22 PM
Basically I'm just saying fuck Alabama and Auburn. I hope they get split and don't get their regular game.

Yeah.  Auburn has no say in anything.  They are to Alabama what A&M is to Texas.

But Alabama has enough stroke to ensure they get the Iron Bowl and the Tennessee game if they want it, however they want it.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on October 05, 2011, 02:45:36 PM
Yeah.  Auburn has no say in anything.  They are to Alabama what A&M is to Texas.

But Alabama has enough stroke to ensure they get the Iron Bowl and the Tennessee game if they want it, however they want it.

Even though Tennessee, LSU & Florida would argue this - Alabama is to the SEC what Texas is to the Big 12 in influence.

(there are several reasons the conference offices are in AL - one of them is obvious.)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 05, 2011, 03:00:05 PM
Even though Tennessee, LSU & Florida would argue this - Alabama is to the SEC what Texas is to the Big 12 in influence.

(there are several reasons the conference offices are in AL - one of them is obvious.)

Right.

The big difference between Texas and Alabama is Texas has that obnoxious arrogance that is seemingly inherent in their DNA, while also sporting an ultimately self-destructive sense of superiority that even Alabama fans and officials can't muster.


/Send it down there

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 05, 2011, 10:26:01 PM
If Mizzou leaves the Big 12 will be looking to expand. According to ESPN's source they're considering BYU, Louisville, WVU, TCU, and.........wait for it........Tulane Green Wave!!  wtf?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pork Soda on October 06, 2011, 05:24:48 AM
If Mizzou leaves the Big 12 will be looking to expand. According to ESPN's source they're considering BYU, Louisville, WVU, TCU, and.........wait for it........Tulane Green Wave!!  wtf?

Hey!  Some One of us graduated from that fine institution of higher larnin. 

Every conference needs a private school doormat.  They'd be the Vandy of the Big Roman Numeral.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hatchclan on October 06, 2011, 06:55:31 AM
From ESPiN:
The University of Missouri hopes to join the Southeastern Conference but would have preferred an offer from the Big Ten that never came, a school official told The Associated Press.

And.....
Missouri hoped to join the Big Ten last year but the league instead chose Nebraska. The university official said the Big Ten remains Missouri's top choice but that conference "has no interest."

"That's what's left," the official said, referring to the SEC.

Looks like the SEC was finally 2nd in something, lol.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 06, 2011, 07:10:09 AM
I don't get why everyone is worried about Mizzou's whining.  Finebaum acts like it's the end of the world.

Look folks, of course Mizzou wanted to grow up and be a Big 10 school.  They are a fallback for the Big 10 and the SEC and since, for some reason, everyone in the SEC acts like we can't stay at 13, well, they're better for OUR purposes than West Virginia.  Who gives a shit what Missouri shills are saying.

They're going to be a bitch for every decent SEC West school, which we all need.  They come in with Kentucky's football tradition and something less than LSU's basketball resume.  It will take them 20 years to "get it" but who cares about their future misery.  They're being brought in to be a 14th, a patsy and a buffer zone to block in the Big 10.  That's it.  We really had no better option and from Arkansas' perspective, it now locks the Sooners permanently out of the SEC.  Let Mizzou cry, hell, get used to it.  You'll hear that same sobbing for the next 20 years, whispering in the winds blowing from the North as they take ass beating after ass beating. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hatchclan on October 06, 2011, 07:15:55 AM
Cerdo... you made some excellent points and I agree with you. I just find all of this posturing by Mizzouri very amusing. aTm and Mizz will (if Mizz joins) be in for a very rude awakening  :shocker:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: sainthog on October 06, 2011, 08:48:17 AM
I don't get why everyone is worried about Mizzou's whining.  Finebaum acts like it's the end of the world.

Look folks, of course Mizzou wanted to grow up and be a Big 10 school.  They are a fallback for the Big 10 and the SEC and since, for some reason, everyone in the SEC acts like we can't stay at 13, well, they're better for OUR purposes than West Virginia.  Who gives a aMm what Missouri shills are saying.

They're going to be a bitch for every decent SEC West school, which we all need.  They come in with Kentucky's football tradition and something less than LSU's basketball resume.  It will take them 20 years to "get it" but who cares about their future misery.  They're being brought in to be a 14th, a patsy and a buffer zone to block in the Big 10.  That's it.  We really had no better option and from Arkansas' perspective, it now locks the Sooners permanently out of the SEC.  Let Mizzou cry, Starkville, get used to it.  You'll hear that same sobbing for the next 20 years, whispering in the winds blowing from the North as they take ass beating after ass beating. 

Thank God
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: DirkPiggler on October 06, 2011, 09:00:39 AM
Just about every Missouri caller to any of the Sirius shows trots out their 38-7 Cotton Bowl win as proof they can compete right away in the SEC.  As if beating the eighth place team in the SEC when it had less than zero motivation and a couple of single digit IQs supposedly coaching the team puts them right up there with the league's elite.  They are in for dark ages like they haven't seen since, well, the forty or so years before Pinkel got to Mizzou. 

The Big XII-IV needs to make Boise State turn them down.  The Blue Turf Vaginas would give the league a viable football brand and a school that ESPN will want to televise.   Of course, for all their posturing and whining about the current system there's no way Boise wants into a BCS conference.  Their near-automatic annual BCS bid would be gone, as would the days of scheduling one mediocre to decent team every year to falsely inflate their credibility. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Splurge on October 06, 2011, 09:08:27 AM
If they join, Missou is going to get their dick knocked in the dirt no different than frankly the Hogs did when they joined the SEC.  Its a big boy conference and it took us several years to catch up.  The game is bigger, faster, and stronger in the SEC - that's just a fact.  It will be similar to these first round picks going to the NFL and saying, "Man, the game is so much faster on this level.  Its a whole different world."
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: 1st_down_streak on October 06, 2011, 09:50:59 AM
The only way it works right is if you add one of the new teams to the east and make the 2 new teams east-west rivals. It won't look pretty on a map, but anything else jacks up something that seems to be working pretty well.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: shortstop6 on October 06, 2011, 10:58:53 AM
Per The Ticket in Dallas, Big 12 8 meeting today to vote on extending invitation to TCU. 

Two weeks ago, TCU was u.t.'s deal-breaker.  Suck it, longhorns (*spit*).
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: radioman on October 06, 2011, 11:57:30 AM
I think MO is a good addition because of the TV markets,  and they won't put a dent in our recruiting like OU or OSU in the SEC.  I am glad that WVU hasn't been added
  They bring nothing.   If theSEC is smart,  we will take our time and add teams from contiguous states that offer something like TV markets,  decent to good programs,  and good academics.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 06, 2011, 11:58:28 AM
It's now been confirmed that the Big 12 will invite TCU:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/06/report-big-12-votes-to-add-tcu/ (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/06/report-big-12-votes-to-add-tcu/)


Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on October 06, 2011, 12:14:09 PM
Looks like Mizzou is fucked. The SEC board didn't approve Mizzou, not enough votes.  :maundoed:

From Hog Database on facebook


Report: Missouri doesn't have enough support to get into league. Majority of SEC wants them in, but falls shorts of 75% vote required (9 teams). Holdouts want to wait for an East team to open up.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on October 06, 2011, 12:23:35 PM
The eastern holdouts are petrified that this shifts the conference west, and means teams like us and LSU might finally have a conference championship in other than track that's not 12 hours from campus.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 06, 2011, 12:39:26 PM
So, when does the Big East call it a day? Or does anyone think they'll make a big push for some C-USA/MWC teams in order to retain AQ status?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on October 06, 2011, 12:54:48 PM
I wouldn't like the fact that someone at Mizzou says that the SEC is the 2nd choice.  What happens if they join, then the B10 comes calling?  Do they go with them then?  Its like you asking a girl out on a date, and she says "yes, but I really wanted to go out with someone else".  frick you bitch.  I say suck it Mizzou.  We don't need any more frikkin tigers in this conference. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Passed on October 06, 2011, 01:11:26 PM
Its like you asking a girl out on a date, and she says "yes, but I really wanted to go out with someone else".  frick you bitch.  

See, that's where you went wrong.  You stinkhole them mercilessly, then leave them on the curb, sans cab fare, and tell them to call up the guy that they really wanted for a ride back to civilization...   :stache:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 06, 2011, 01:13:09 PM
They bring nothing.   If the SEC is smart, we will take our time and add teams from contiguous states that offer something like TV markets,  decent to good programs,  and good academics.

I keep reading about these hypothetical schools that are going to join the SEC but I haven't actually heard any invites being sent out or serious consideration being given.  What teams exactly should the SEC be inviting and why haven't they done so?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hoggadore on October 06, 2011, 01:20:43 PM
I keep reading about these hypothetical schools that are going to join the SEC but I haven't actually heard any invites being sent out or serious consideration being given.  What teams exactly should the SEC be inviting and why haven't they done so?

They haven't invited the teams they should invite because $20mm is a lot of money.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Ty Webb on October 06, 2011, 01:35:45 PM
Looks like Mizzou is fricked. The SEC board didn't approve Mizzou, not enough votes.  :maundoed:

From Hog Database on facebook


Report: Missouri doesn't have enough support to get into league. Majority of SEC wants them in, but falls shorts of 75% vote required (9 teams). Holdouts want to wait for an East team to open up.
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html)
I got news for the teams 'waiting for an East school to open up'...it ain't happening. The time to get Florida St or Clemson has past or they woulda already secured 1 or both. If the SEC doesn't want WVa or Mizzou, who do they think they are gonna get? North Carolina isn't walking through that door.

Are Louisville and South Florida the other options?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 06, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
I got news for the teams 'waiting for an East school to open up'...it ain't happening. The time to get Florida St or Clemson has past or they woulda already secured 1 or both. If the SEC doesn't want WVa or Mizzou, who do they think they are gonna get? North Carolina isn't walking through that door.

Are Louisville and South Florida are the other options?


This is what I was trying to say by asking who the SEC thinks they should get but you said it much more bluntly (and better).  What I'm seeing is the ACC cockblocking the SEC from stealing any teams.  They did this by causing the inevitable downfall of the Big East, grabbing its best teams, and then renegotiating better TV contracts and school buyouts.

In other news has anyone pointed out that Petrino's buyout is nearly as much as any ACC school's buyout? :beer:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Boondoggle on October 06, 2011, 02:34:43 PM
I would welcome Mizzou into the SEC West -- and move 'Bama and Auburn into the SEC East, which would strengthen our position in the West.

With Missouri's larger population, they're bound to have a lot of good recruits who would logically look favorably at Arkansas if they want to be on a competitive SEC team close to home.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on October 06, 2011, 02:38:07 PM
Wouldn't just one team move from the West to the East?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hog Leg on October 06, 2011, 02:48:11 PM
I'm guessing he thinks that Vandy can jump to the west? 

Didn't the SEC just vote 'No' to Misery?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Raincrow on October 06, 2011, 02:49:27 PM
Wouldn't just one team move from the West to the East?
Yes. As confusing as it sounds, it is as simple as that.    :D
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 06, 2011, 02:56:43 PM
Wouldn't just one team move from the West to the East?

I think this was discussed a few pages back, but if you only move one team east that would logically be auburn which would mean either the Bama/Tenn rivalry is scrapped, or the Iron Bowl.   Otherwise you either go back to the old 2 permanent-1 rotating schedule, or you move both bama schools.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 06, 2011, 03:23:06 PM
Looks like Mizzou is fucked. The SEC board didn't approve Mizzou, not enough votes.  :maundoed:

From Hog Database on facebook


Report: Missouri doesn't have enough support to get into league. Majority of SEC wants them in, but falls shorts of 75% vote required (9 teams). Holdouts want to wait for an East team to open up.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html (http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/10/majority_of_sec_presidents_fav.html)

If Mizzou does end up coming (which I think they will) then the Big XII is looking at Louisville and West Virginia from the ACC, and BYU in order to get back to 12 teams.

That would leave the Big East with like 4 teams. Cincy, Rutgers, UConn, South Florida.

At what point does the Big East just say 'screw it' and goes back to being a Catholic Basketball league?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 06, 2011, 03:45:03 PM
then the Big XII is looking at Louisville and West Virginia from the ACC, and BYU in order to get back to 12 teams.

In that scenario I think the Big 12 should just go ahead and add TCU and Cincy or Tulane to make it 14.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pig on October 06, 2011, 04:07:24 PM
Mizzourah just doesn't seem like a fit to me.
Looking east on a map, VaTech looks best to me.
Do they bring anything wrt TV?  Does anyone in the DC area care about them or SEC ball?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: KCHOGS on October 06, 2011, 04:39:59 PM
No need to mention ACC teams.  They signed a deal last year that makes the penalty to leave the conference $20M.  The SEC could grab Louisville for basketball and if they wanted WVU they could grab them from the Big East (already rejected).  WVU bring a decent football program (decent compared to what they were playing against every year) and a good basketball program with a lively coach (Huggins).
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 06, 2011, 05:06:31 PM
Mizzou will eventually end up being an SEC team.  I think this was a very public smack in the mouth from the SEC for them allowing their people to run their mouths to ESPN and whine about wanting to be a Big 10 school.   

The SEC doesn't really give a shit about Mizzou feelings either way - they're just an easy fallback to get to 14 and block up the Big 10 and there really isn't another desirable option that doesn't involve starting a war with the ACC.  It's possible Mizzou gets butt hurt over this slap and grovels back to the Texas conference - if they do the SEC will sit at 13 until they think a better option is presented. 

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Buffinator on October 06, 2011, 05:36:36 PM
Mizzourah just doesn't seem like a fit to me.

About the only use they could serve would be as Mike Anderson's bitches.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: MDEM on October 06, 2011, 05:41:31 PM
I would welcome Mizzou into the SEC West -- and move 'Bama and Auburn into the SEC East, which would strengthen our position in the West.

With Missouri's larger population, they're bound to have a lot of good recruits who would logically look favorably at Arkansas if they want to be on a competitive SEC team close to home.

Strengthen our position in the West?  Who is CBS going to pick up for the game of the week, Arkansas - Missouri, or Bama - Georgia?  Tennessee - Auburn, or Arkansas - A&M?

We run serious risk here of only being the premier game on Thanksgiving. 

This weakens our position.  Fuck Mizzou.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Boondoggle on October 06, 2011, 06:14:14 PM
Strengthen our position in the West?  Who is CBS going to pick up for the game of the week, Arkansas - Missouri, or Bama - Georgia?  Tennessee - Auburn, or Arkansas - A&M?

We run serious risk here of only being the premier game on Thanksgiving.  

This weakens our position.  frick Mizzou.

Winning solves everything. The more you win, the more you will be televised and the more you will be associated with "big games" of national importance.

The problem with the SEC West, for example last year, we had 5 top 25 teams in the West (3 Top 5) beating the Starkville out of each other. The SEC West is a perennial murderers row, whereas the East is weaker (the West only had one patsy last year, LOL Miss. The East had Vandy, KY and TN). Why not move Bama and Auburn over there to bloody more noses in the East?

We play 2 SEC East teams every year, plus Carolina. With 14 SEC teams, we'd play 4 SEC East teams every year and 6 SEC West teams every year. Odds are, we'd have as many "big games" televised, including an easier route to the SEC Championship (another "big game") if we have aTm and Mizzou in our division and only LSU as the perennial power.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: MDEM on October 06, 2011, 06:32:04 PM
Winning solves everything. The more you win, the more you will be televised and the more you will be associated with "big games" of national importance.

The problem with the SEC West, for example last year, we had 5 top 25 teams in the West (3 Top 5) beating the Starkville out of each other. The SEC West is a perennial murderers row, whereas the East is weaker (the West only had one patsy last year, LOL Miss. The East had Vandy, KY and TN). Why not move Bama and Auburn over there to bloody more noses in the East?

We play 2 SEC East teams every year, plus Carolina. With 14 SEC teams, we'd play 4 SEC East teams every year and 6 SEC West teams every year. Odds are, we'd have as many "big games" televised, including an easier route to the SEC Championship (another "big game") if we have aTm and Mizzou in our division and only LSU as the perennial power.


Fair enough, but fuck Mizzou all the same.  I'm just working up a good hate for Auburn and Bama. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razorback Jedi on October 06, 2011, 06:32:40 PM
Winning solves everything. The more you win, the more you will be televised and the more you will be associated with "big games" of national importance.

The problem with the SEC West, for example last year, we had 5 top 25 teams in the West (3 Top 5) beating the Starkville out of each other. The SEC West is a perennial murderers row, whereas the East is weaker (the West only had one patsy last year, LOL Miss. The East had Vandy, KY and TN). Why not move Bama and Auburn over there to bloody more noses in the East?

We play 2 SEC East teams every year, plus Carolina. With 14 SEC teams, we'd play 4 SEC East teams every year and 6 SEC West teams every year. Odds are, we'd have as many "big games" televised, including an easier route to the SEC Championship (another "big game") if we have aTm and Mizzou in our division and only LSU as the perennial power.


Because 5-10 years ago the East was murderers row with TN, FL, and GA .. and they consistently beat the West teams. It's on a cycle, and in a few more years, the East will be stronger than the West.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: jsimp on October 06, 2011, 07:50:03 PM
Because 5-10 years ago the East was murderers row with TN, FL, and GA .. and they consistently beat the West teams. It's on a cycle, and in a few more years, the East will be stronger than the West.

i used to think that, but now i'm not so sure.bama isn't going anywherewith saban there. we are gonna be ok with petrino. appearantly you can pick up any retard off the street and win big at lsu. auburn will pay whatever every so often and be right up there. the west looks strong
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hoggadore on October 06, 2011, 11:44:34 PM

We play 2 SEC East teams every year, plus Carolina. With 14 SEC teams, we'd play 4 SEC East teams every year and 6 SEC West teams every year. Odds are, we'd have as many "big games" televised, including an easier route to the SEC Championship (another "big game") if we have aTm and Mizzou in our division and only LSU as the perennial power.


Why do people assume we'll play more conference games?  I've heard at least one AD say they thought it would stay at 8 even with expansion.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TC on October 07, 2011, 01:17:51 AM
I've heard at least one AD say they thought it would stay at 8 even with expansion.

That wasn't Boone was it?   
       
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogofWar on October 07, 2011, 09:10:16 AM
One of my shortwhorn friends said that Slive is in Ft. Worth yesterday. TCU to the SEC maybe????
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: shortstop6 on October 07, 2011, 09:12:33 AM
One of my shortwhorn friends said that Slive is in Ft. Worth yesterday. TCU to the SEC maybe????

You need to rethink your choice of friends.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogofWar on October 07, 2011, 09:34:40 AM
You need to rethink your choice of friends.

I guess I should have added that when I said, "friend," I meant it loosely.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 07, 2011, 09:45:56 AM
One of my shortwhorn friends said that Slive is in Ft. Worth yesterday. TCU to the SEC maybe????

That would be hard to believe since AL, GA, UF, and Vandy want an eastern team and are the schools keeping Mizzou from getting into the SEC right now.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 07, 2011, 10:13:18 AM
I figure Slive decided to have the Eastern powers vote no to send a message to Mizzou while keeping the hands of the teams Mizzou will actually have to play every year semi clean.  AL was the exclamation point that Missouri can't do anything about. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 07, 2011, 11:39:58 AM
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on October 07, 2011, 02:25:01 PM
missouri is better than adding another eastern school.  I can't think of another reason they fit other than they are better fit than VT or NC. 

If you want to base it solely on TV ratings, then the SEC needs to look to Texas or Florida schools. 

Frankly, I am of the opinion that the 14th team needs to be a permanent floater that is "whatever school Houston Nutt is coaching after he gets fired from Ole Miss".  If its Notre Dame, great; if its Hendrix that workls as well.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razorback Jedi on October 07, 2011, 03:17:29 PM
The big east is going to implode. The ACC will expand eventually, as will  the Big 10.

My guess is that no one is in a hurry to "fill spots" just because there's a perceived need for one. I'm up for fending off bottom feeders like Mizzurrah to keep the conference integrity in place, and get the right school that fits ... not because we "need a 14th team".
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 07, 2011, 03:29:10 PM
The big east is going to implode. The ACC will expand eventually, as will  the Big 10.

My guess is that no one is in a hurry to "fill spots" just because there's a perceived need for one. I'm up for fending off bottom feeders like Mizzurrah to keep the conference integrity in place, and get the right school that fits ... not because we "need a 14th team".

I don't know if the Big Ten will expand again.  They had their chances with Mizzou and passed.  They could have taken (still can) Rutgers at any time, but passed.  I could see them maybe going after Maryland before the ACC's 20MM buyout, but probably not anymore.  Notre Dame is the only school they seem to actively want, and ND would rather go to the weaker ACC apparently.

A few months ago I would have bet the Big East would still be standing in 5 years and the Big XII would have disappeared.  Now it looks like the opposite.  I can see the Big XII taking the best of the Big East and leaving what's left to find a new home as the BE goes back to being a basketball league.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 07, 2011, 08:19:01 PM
http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/sec-west-alabama-being-faggots.99945/ (http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/sec-west-alabama-being-faggots.99945/)

Multiple sources tell Auburn Undercover that Alabama is demanding Missouri be placed in the Eastern division in order to preserve its longstanding rivalry with Tennessee. Alabama is also adamant that Auburn NOT be placed in the East. The Tide is said to be strongly opposed to potentially playing Auburn on back-to-back weekends (Iron Bowl + SECCG). They are also opposed to moving the Iron Bowl to earlier in the year. That means Auburn could stay put in the West. Apparently, Mizzou does not currently have the votes to be admitted in the West. We're told Alabama plus at least three other schools are opposed to either adding Mizzou OR adding them to the West. That means, the way things currently stand, the only way Missouri gets admitted as a member of the SEC is in the East. I'm told they would have the votes to be admitted as an East member. It's not clear if the vote would be unanimous. If the above scenario plays out, Missouri would play Arkansas each year as its permanent opponent from the East. Texas A&M and South Carolina would also play each other annually. We are told the SEC presidents will meet this weekend to hash out all of the details. Keep in mind nothing is final and everything can change.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: papermill on October 07, 2011, 11:05:48 PM
Aw crap,  I was hoping this stuff would eventually get Alabama to the other division.  Maybe there's still some way to let somebody else play them first every year.  It should be A&M's turn in that barrel for a couple of decades.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Boondoggle on October 07, 2011, 11:26:04 PM
http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/sec-west-alabama-being-turd ranchers.99945/ (http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/sec-west-alabama-being-turd ranchers.99945/)

Multiple sources tell Auburn Undercover that Alabama is demanding Missouri be placed in the Eastern division in order to preserve its longstanding rivalry with Tennessee. Alabama is also adamant that Auburn NOT be placed in the East. The Tide is said to be strongly opposed to potentially playing Auburn on back-to-back weekends (Iron Bowl + SECCG). They are also opposed to moving the Iron Bowl to earlier in the year. That means Auburn could stay put in the West. Apparently, Mizzou does not currently have the votes to be admitted in the West. We're told Alabama plus at least three other schools are opposed to either adding Mizzou OR adding them to the West. That means, the way things currently stand, the only way Missouri gets admitted as a member of the SEC is in the East. I'm told they would have the votes to be admitted as an East member. It's not clear if the vote would be unanimous. If the above scenario plays out, Missouri would play Arkansas each year as its permanent opponent from the East. Texas A&M and South Carolina would also play each other annually. We are told the SEC presidents will meet this weekend to hash out all of the details. Keep in mind nothing is final and everything can change.


Good grief. I guess Bama, Saban and Jimmy Sexton dictate what the SEC does.

The solution is simple enough then: move 'Bama and Auburn to the East and Mizzou and A&M to the West. 'Bama and Auburn end up in the same division (w/ TN) and of course Bama gets to play fellow East division TN every year. Me thinks Bama is being disingenuous -- in reality they just don't want Arkansas and LSU to have easier schedules to get to the Championship Game.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HoneyBakedPiglet on October 07, 2011, 11:53:59 PM

Good grief. I guess Bama, Saban and Jimmy Sexton dictate what the SEC does.

The solution is simple enough then: move 'Bama and Auburn to the East and Mizzou and A&M to the West. 'Bama and Auburn end up in the same division (w/ TN) and of course Bama gets to play fellow East division TN every year. Me thinks Bama is being disingenuous -- in reality they just don't want Arkansas and LSU to have easier schedules to get to the Championship Game.

That would leave 6 teams in the West and 8 in the East. Move Kentucky to the West to get it to 7/7?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogsrunwild on October 08, 2011, 08:05:14 AM
Wait, you think this is fair balance:
Kentucky
Ole Miss
Miss State
TAMU
Missouri
LSU
Arkansas

Us and L S U say thanks
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: DirkPiggler on October 08, 2011, 08:16:19 AM
Instead of East/ West, go North/ South.  Nine game schedule with two permanent cross-division opponents.

North Division (permanent opponents):

Arkansas (LSU,aTm)
Missouri (aTm, Ole Miss)
Vandy  (Ole Miss, Miss State)
Tennessee  (Alabama, Auburn)
Kentucky  (Miss State, LSU)
South Carolina (Florida, Alabama)
Georgia (Auburn, Florida)

South:

Alabama  (Tennessee, S. Carolina)
Auburn  (Georgia, Tennessee)
LSU  (Arkansas, Kentucky)
aTm  (Missouri, Arkansas)
Ole Miss  (Vandy, Missouri)
Miss State  (Kentucky, Vandy)
Florida  (South Carolina, Georgia)

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pig on October 08, 2011, 08:18:06 AM
I like Alabama's plan.
Only put aTm in the east - that would be a good Aggie joke.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 08, 2011, 08:20:41 AM
AR, Vandy, MS, KY, Mizzou, A&M, SC

other division
Bama, Auburn, FL, LSU, TN, GA and we will let them have MS State

I like this option a lot.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 08, 2011, 08:49:26 AM
This will end one of two ways.

Either Mizzou will move East, and everything else will stay as it is (why switch us from SoCar to nearby Mizzou? That would be great for us. When has something like that ever gone our way?)

or

Mizzou will join the west and both Bama schools will go east in exchange for Vandy, flipping the current balance of power from the west to the east.


The second scenario seems unlikely or it would already have been done.  Because Bama is nixing the idea of Auburn going east (assuming the report is true) that seems to imply they already said no to both of them going east.

I think this will end up with Mizzou joining the east, which makes no sense other than their touching two "east" states, Ketucky and Tennessee.  Their permanent opponent will probably be Texas A&M since they came into the league together and have some semblance of a history with one another.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on October 08, 2011, 09:02:53 AM
This will end one of two ways.

Either Mizzou will move East, and everything else will stay as it is (why switch us from SoCar to nearby Mizzou? That would be great for us. When has something like that ever gone our way?)

or

Mizzou will join the west and both Bama schools will go east in exchange for Vandy, flipping the current balance of power from the west to the east.


The second scenario seems unlikely or it would already have been done.  Because Bama is nixing the idea of Auburn going east (assuming the report is true) that seems to imply they already said no to both of them going east.

I think this will end up with Mizzou joining the east, which makes no sense other than their touching two "east" states, Ketucky and Tennessee.  Their permanent opponent will probably be Texas A&M since they came into the league together and have some semblance of a history with one another.


I believe your second option will be most likely until the next expansion that will include 2 true Eastern teams thus allowing Mizzou to be moved to its rightful place in the West.

Geography... it comes at you so fast!
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on October 09, 2011, 08:02:10 PM
Math is in short supply here.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 10, 2011, 07:15:51 PM
TCU announced they're joining the Big 12--no shock there.

U. of Memphis AD states that they deserve to be in the SEC.  *:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/memphis-ad-we-deserve-to-be-in-the-sec/ (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/memphis-ad-we-deserve-to-be-in-the-sec/)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: fuentecigar on October 10, 2011, 07:23:46 PM
TCU announced they're joining the Big 12--no shock there.

U. of Memphis AD states that they deserve to be in the SEC.  *:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/memphis-ad-we-deserve-to-be-in-the-sec/ (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/memphis-ad-we-deserve-to-be-in-the-sec/)


Wonder what he's been smoking? He's either smoked up, or outright delusional.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TUSK_U on October 10, 2011, 07:37:32 PM

Wonder what he's been smoking? He's either smoked up, or outright delusional.

Didn't u read the article? The dude is a shrooms connoisseur. He's trippin on the shrooms, man. That explains the delusions, or illusions.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on October 10, 2011, 07:43:59 PM

Wonder what he's been smoking? He's either smoked up, or outright delusional.

Couldn't happen to a better group of cunts like those at memphistigers.org
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: BEN HOGGIN on October 11, 2011, 09:11:04 AM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/id/7084900/missouri-tigers-study-outlines-sec-revenue-advantage (http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/id/7084900/missouri-tigers-study-outlines-sec-revenue-advantage)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 11, 2011, 04:51:12 PM
http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/id/7084900/missouri-tigers-study-outlines-sec-revenue-advantage (http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/id/7084900/missouri-tigers-study-outlines-sec-revenue-advantage)

Missouri seems to have a real problem with keeping shit in-house. First was the leak about them preferring the Big 10 over the SEC and now this. Either they don't have their shit together or someone at Missouri is trying to sabotage their move to the SEC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 11, 2011, 04:54:44 PM
If Clay Travis turns out to be right regarding this, and if the Big East really has interest in Boise, you wonder why Boise hasn't jumped at the chance to finally join an AQ conference. 

http://outkickthecoverage.com/big-east-unlikely-to-lose-bcs-bid.php (http://outkickthecoverage.com/big-east-unlikely-to-lose-bcs-bid.php)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 11, 2011, 05:04:12 PM
Piggler thinks they've been bluffing all along.  I don't buy that - I think the millions in guaranteed revenue that Boise would get every year being in a BCS conference is better for them than the occasional millions they get from a BCS bowl.    The Big East is going to have to get very proactive with the offers to save their conference - offer to guarantee teams that lay down to Notre Dame, offer farm animal fricking to Boise, etc. 

The inability of Missouri to get their shit together and do this thing like grownups is going to leave them sucking that Longhorn cawk forever.  They shouldn't have run their mouths.   
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: MDEM on October 11, 2011, 06:05:09 PM
Fuck Missouri.  Cut 'em loose and go get Clemson, FSU, GTech, fuck....even Oklahomo.  But fuck Missouri.  They bring nothing to the table.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 11, 2011, 06:21:10 PM
frick Missouri.  Cut 'em loose and go get Clemson, FSU, GTech, frick....even Oklahomo.  But frick Missouri.  They bring nothing to the table.

Sounds to me like they love the idea of that SEC money but are afraid they can't compete on the field. This stuff about academic prestige is a bunch of bullshit.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 11, 2011, 08:51:07 PM
Saw this mentioned on TD. Here's the source (The Washington Examiner):
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Wordmandc

Per their sports writer, UCF is joining the Big East, along with Navy, Air Force, and Temple. He speculates in another tweet that SMU and Houston will be joining and that Boise hopes to join.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 11, 2011, 09:17:53 PM
Saw this mentioned on TD. Here's the source (The Washington Examiner):
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Wordmandc

Per their sports writer, UCF is joining the Big East, along with Navy, Air Force, and Temple. He speculates in another tweet that SMU and Houston will be joining and that Boise hopes to join.

Lolmemphisst
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on October 12, 2011, 06:47:26 AM
Saw this mentioned on TD. Here's the source (The Washington Examiner):
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Wordmandc

Per their sports writer, UCF is joining the Big East, along with Navy, Air Force, and Temple. He speculates in another tweet that SMU and Houston will be joining and that Boise hopes to join.

That is one shit-tastic league right there.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on October 16, 2011, 10:01:18 AM
I've been contemplating the Hogs 2012 schedule & beyond, as it relates to home games, & the southwest classic with A&M.  I think that in order to keep everyone happy, there will have to be either;

a.  Move the LSU game back to fayetteville, & replace it with a non conference opponent or LoL miss, or some other down SEC team. 
b.  schedule a little bit better OOC opponent like Pac-12, ACC, Big East D1 team that isn't top tier like Cal, Maryland, Pitt etc.
for Fayetteville so that there are not a lot of cupcakes up there. 
c.  same as B, but put that OOC game in LR & send the corndogs up to 'nam. 

My issue is to have some resemblance of a competitive game, and get rid of a lot of these Mo St. & new mexico games.  Problem is, the SEC is very tough, so it's not always in the best interest to make our road tougher; Fans want good games that matter though.  I would love for us to do a home & home with a big ten team like Illinois, Michigan, etc either personally, cause I don't think that conference is real strong anyway. 

The other problem with doing that is it requires a home & home contract for most of those games.  The solution is, do this the next couple of years with Texas owing us a game.  The way I see it, we schedule 1 tougher OOC game for LR / 'nam next year, & the next year when we play the Longwhorns at home we go  away for the other OOC game.  It does make a tougher schedule, but it is a lot better for the fans, more likely to sell out etc.  To me, that makes more sense than giving new mexico $850k to come down for an a$$kicking...  That was ridiculous.  Headed back to the screen door
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 16, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
We don't need any tough OOC opponents.  We have a full SEC schedule in the toughest division in football and we just added A&M - the only reason we were even doing the A&M thing was to pick up a game in the DFW Metroplex for recruiting and the name of the opponent made it such a big deal that the money was too good to pass up.

I've never lived in LR and am not from AR but I've always felt that the WMS games were good for the long term good of the program, but it's going to have to become a one game a year deal for them - either FILL UP THE BUILDING for a so so cupcake or else rotate the MS games down there and call it a day.

We need the rest of the games in our home stadium to make money and to recruit to.  We certainly can't give up any home and homes. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razordoc on October 16, 2011, 11:17:17 PM
If I understand correctly, tejas is under no obligation to play us at home, as it was us who asked out of the scheduled 2009 game because of the initiation of the Southwest Classic.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on October 16, 2011, 11:24:43 PM
Somebody on tigerdroppings quoted David Ubben, a Big 12 beat writer, as saying we are looking to start a series with OU.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on October 16, 2011, 11:46:35 PM
Somebody on tigerdroppings quoted David Ubben, a Big 12 beat writer, as saying we are looking to start a series with OU.

there's been a couple of Big 12 type sites that's floated that out there.

I hope to hell not.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: razor5396 on October 16, 2011, 11:53:48 PM
there's been a couple of Big 12 type sites that's floated that out there.

I hope to Starkville not.

Why the Starkville would we want to schedule OU. That means more than likely we would play OU at the beginning of the year. This would suck because that means within the first month and a half of the season we would have to play OU and Alabama. I can understand why OU wants this game due to the fact that their conference schedule is going to aMm next year when it comes to the BCS computers, but I dont see any benefits for Arkansas other than money.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ArkGuy on October 17, 2011, 12:49:56 AM
I'm pretty sure we play them here in 2014.

As far as adding a non-conference home and home, and therefore giving up 100% of the home revenue every two years, just to avoid paying a New Mexico State $850,000 -- that just makes no financial sense to me.

Scenario A: Play A "Big Name" home & Home
Year 1: Sell out and keep 100% of gate
Year 2: Get zilch, zero, nada

Scenario B: Play Rent-a-Win Twice
Year 1: 100% gate minus $850,000 guarantee
Year 2: 100% gate minus $850,000 guarantee

It's worth paying the $1.7 MM to get an extra home game every two years.

Now, the gap is narrowed some by selling every ticket in "A," whereas in "B" the game doesn't quite sellout.  Plus, you could charge more for Wisconsin, e.g., than a rent a win game.  But, there would still be a big gap.

And as noted, we don't need any more tough games.  Winning 9 or 10 with the schedule we have gets us a great bowl, even BCS sometimes. I haven't heard one single talking head talking about our strength of schedule this season.  Last year either.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on October 17, 2011, 01:21:09 AM
Watching the OU/Kansas game replay right now and I hardly ever watch any Big12 11 10 9 8 football, but I think we will be ok playing OU early in the schedule. Jesus Christ they play some boring ass football in the "Big whatever".
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on October 17, 2011, 07:25:31 AM
We had a home and home against Texas. In BMFP's first year we got shit stomped and we asked for a delay in the return game. That's still out there and I want that gamed played. Hindsight tells us we should have played it last season, this season or next but we are not. I could care less if we never schedule them again but do not skip out on a game that's already agreed upon with Texas.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on October 17, 2011, 08:02:03 AM
I think the unknown in this is what the SEC schedule is going to be like.  We are dropping aTm off of non conference so are we going to be adding an extra game in conference?  If not, it has potential to make our schedule weaker, (hypothetically).  I just do not like cupcakes.  it's like a preseason game, whenever it falls, early or late.  One thing I've noticed about the LSU hype is they keep talking about all the good teams they played.  Granted, there's no crystal ball that tells you they are guaranteed to win them, but their strength of schedule is one of the reasons they are ranked over bammer & OU. I agree, I wouldn't want to play real good teams early, but I would still like to see one good OOC opponent.  I would also like to point out, staying up in the polls however it's done only helps recruiting.  if the kids are told every week of the football season that LSU is #1 & they lose it the last 2 weeks, you can bet it keeps the interest of kids wanting to play for a winner, because they are always being talked about nationally.

The other question I would ponder is what is the TV revenue like for a high profile game vs a new mexico?  Does that all go to the SEC & get distributed equally, or does each university get to keep it's OOC TV revenue?  That's where the money is anyway. 

I for one want us to play Texass after BMFP has had a chance to get his house in shape.  I don't think we should fear any team.  His house is ready for a party.  bring the company in.  I say renew the USC-w game too. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: DirkPiggler on October 17, 2011, 08:41:37 AM
I kind of like the idea of playing Oklahoma early in the season every year.  We can get those thumbless fucks out of the national championship discussion right off the bat most of the time.  No way a one loss team out of that abortion of a conference ever gets a chance to play for anything meaningful. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razordoc on October 17, 2011, 09:08:16 AM
Dirk, I like your optimism, but I'm not so sure.  I think as long as they are in any semblance of an AQ conference, particularly one with tejas, they will continue to get excellent recruits, and continue to be a force to be reckoned with.  Case in point, DBG, or DGB, whichever it is.  Like everyone else, I sure as starkville hope we get him, but would not be surprised one iota to see him go to oklahomo, with Broyles leaving and all.

I think it's time to take a hard look at the JFB dogma of not playing instate schools.  Playing ASU and UCA would fill the stadium, create a lot of interest, and we would skull-frick them every year.  Even when they might beat us every 18th solar eclipse, I just don't buy the theory that it effects our instate recruiting.  If a kid is good enough to play in the SEC and wants to stay instate, he's not going Sun Belt or Southland. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: APhiOHog on October 17, 2011, 09:24:55 AM
Bingo.  I would much rather play Howlin-and-Shit U than some nothing team from southern Missour-ah or some garbage program that's gone 0-135 in the WAC over the last umpteen seasons.  And you know stAte would be "up" for it, which *might* make it a bit more competitive and force us to play at a little bit higher level.  Better warm-up, IMO.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on October 17, 2011, 06:18:08 PM
 :suicide:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 17, 2011, 10:03:42 PM
This happened:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/17/report-big-east-members-unanimously-vote-to-raise-exit-fees/

Doesn't mean WVU and Louisville wouldn't jump to the Big 12 anyway, but it will now cost them $10 million instead of $5 million. I still don't think that's much of a barrier. The story also stated that their reports that Houston has already been extended an invite into the Big East. If they can get Boise, SMU, Houston, and the service academies, I could see WVU and Louisville sticking around.

Oh, and Mizzou joining the SEC is now thought to be imminent:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/17/report-mizzous-sec-application-inevitable-and-imminent/
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on October 18, 2011, 12:31:14 PM
I don't have a link, but it is rumored that Jeff Long complained some yesterday to the TD club that 13 teams was a real nightmare & there will be a 14th team real soon.  carry on.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogtired on October 18, 2011, 01:00:45 PM
 :bird: Missouri

They don't bring anything to the table. I keep hearing about the KC and STL TV markets which are professional football cities. KC is a KU market and not a UM market and STL is a baseball town.

I am in hot pursuit of a screen door to slam.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 18, 2011, 02:41:08 PM
:bird: Missouri

They don't bring anything to the table. I keep hearing about the KC and STL TV markets which are professional football cities. KC is a KU market and not a UM market and STL is a baseball town.

I am in hot pursuit of a screen door to slam.

WTF do you want them to bring to the table? A stripper covered in sushi?

The SEC will still be the strongest football conference in America, period. We'll have another team (hopefully in the West) that we can mark a W next to each year. Not to mention a great geographical rivalry happening in my backyard.. If you're worried that Mizzou will weaken our strength of schedule to the point it'll hurt our BCS numbers you're barking up the wrong tree. Go tell that to Louisiana-Lafayette and New Mexico.

Think of the grandness of the ass beatings we could lay on the basketball Tigers, and the resulting anguish and sorrow of their fandom with their over-inflated visions of self worth. It'll be awesome. Trust me.


Side note for the keepers of the flame: Where did my avatar go?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogofWar on October 18, 2011, 04:22:06 PM
WTF do you want them to bring to the table? A stripper covered in sushi?
The SEC will still be the strongest football conference in America, period. We'll have another team (hopefully in the West) that we can mark a W next to each year. Not to mention a great geographical rivalry happening in my backyard.. If you're worried that Mizzou will weaken our strength of schedule to the point it'll hurt our BCS numbers you're barking up the wrong tree. Go tell that to Louisiana-Lafayette and New Mexico.

Think of the grandness of the ass beatings we could lay on the basketball Tigers, and the resulting anguish and sorrow of their fandom with their over-inflated visions of self worth. It'll be awesome. Trust me.


Side note for the keepers of the flame: Where did my avatar go?


I see nothing wrong with that. What kind of sushi anyway? If it is just California rolls, then meh. If it is Sashimi and we can dip her nipples into sake afterward, then  :shocker:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Nick Ahpleeze on October 18, 2011, 08:07:26 PM
 Would someone explain why Oklahoma is not being pursued . Does T.Boone Pickens as a OKST alum somehow have power over OU? I saw him on tv saying NO NO OU- OkSt is a package deal" ...Really? OU can't function on their own? The TV markets  I could care less about . Most SEC games are nationally televised anyway. If Slive has the power to pull any team he wants he should tell OU .."we want you not OKs"."Pack your bags now".
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Kill The Ref on October 18, 2011, 08:22:32 PM
Would someone explain why Oklahoma is not being pursued .

Simple...With the 2 Mississippi schools we have our full allotment of trailer trash.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogs45 on October 18, 2011, 08:25:04 PM

Mizzou will join the west and both Bama schools will go east in exchange for Vandy, flipping the current balance of power from the west to the east. 

I actually don't mind this scenario.  I think it's important that current annual rivalries remain intact (Golden Boot, Iron Bowl, Egg Bowl). Moving Allbarn and Bammer to the East is not a stretch, and guarantees the annual Iron Bowl.  Missouri and A&M can invent some new Dust Bowl trophy or something (piss on the both--I don't want either one of them).  Plus, in a year like this year, we'd still have a chance to win out and go to the SEC championship game (which will be difficult under the best of circumstances this year).

All other things being equal, I'd rather have Clemson in the East and not Missouri.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on October 18, 2011, 08:30:49 PM
So is Va Tech just not an option?  It's the obvious choice.  I mean come on, if any state should have a school in the SEC it's Virginia.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogtired on October 18, 2011, 08:36:46 PM

The SEC will still be the strongest football conference in America, period. We'll have another team (hopefully in the West) that we can mark a W next to each year. Not to mention a great geographical rivalry happening in my backyard.. If you're worried that Mizzou will weaken our strength of schedule to the point it'll hurt our BCS numbers you're barking up the wrong tree. Go tell that to Louisiana-Lafayette and New Mexico.



When you dilute alcohol all you get is a weaker drink. We all talk about how great the SEC is as the best football conference... Why do we want to dilute the conference by adding a Mizzou?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: DirkPiggler on October 18, 2011, 08:38:40 PM
Would someone explain why Oklahoma is not being pursued . Does T.Boone Pickens as a OKST alum somehow have power over OU? I saw him on tv saying NO NO OU- OkSt is a package deal" ...Really? OU can't function on their own? The TV markets  I could care less about . Most SEC games are nationally televised anyway. If Slive has the power to pull any team he wants he should tell OU .."we want you not OKs"."Pack your bags now".

The better question is, why would we pursue Oklahoma?  They have a traditionally great program, but the negatives far outweigh the positives.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: FayettenamHog on October 18, 2011, 08:54:36 PM
Oklahoma doesn't want any part of the SEC. They want their 1 or 2 tough games a year and a better shot at a BCS Champ Game, where they can get dump trucked by the SEC Champ.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 18, 2011, 09:11:55 PM
When you dilute alcohol all you get is a weaker drink. We all talk about how great the SEC is as the best football conference... Why do we want to dilute the conference by adding a Mizzou?

Judging by that statement I assume you're of the opinion that the SEC should've stayed at 12--which is a solid opinion. However, I'd say that any of the teams that have been considered as #14, Mizzou, WVU, Va Tech, and our new #13 TAMU, all have better football programs than 4 SEC member schools right now.

So how can you say the drink is being diluted when potentially adding stronger football programs?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Boondoggle on October 18, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Having aTm and Mizzou in the SEC, especially in the West, helps Arkansas more than anyone else, even LSU. First, those programs are years behind a BMFP led Arkansas, which translates to more Ws and an upper hand in recruiting Texas and Mizzou (i.e. the high talent / population / TV market areas of St. Louis and KC). If some blue chip recruit from Texas or Missouri wants to stay relatively close to home and yet immediately join an up and coming program in the top conference in the country, Arkansas is the natural choice.

Also, when they show a silhouette map of the states that comprise the SEC, there'll be a glaring big hole in the west in the shape of Okiehomo. I hate Okies more than Texicans, LSU or Bama fans put together -- mainly because I have to contend with those idiots on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 19, 2011, 07:11:05 AM
The rap about Mizzou being some kind of rival to us now in recruiting Texas kids because they can say they play in the SEC as well is not smart thinking. 

They can't beat their conference rivals now with that same rap.  Over here, they're going to be a doormat team with the MS schools - what Texas kid is going to want to play in Columbia for the odd-fitting SEC school that doesn't even know how to tailgate when they see the scene in Fayetteville and can play for a contending team?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 19, 2011, 08:41:49 AM
Oklahoma doesn't want any part of the SEC. They want their 1 or 2 tough games a year and a better shot at a BCS Champ Game, where they can get dump trucked by the SEC Champ, USC-w, Boise St., or your grandmother.

Fixt.

To the folks wondering why OU won't go it alone, I would imagine that Pickens has enough sway in the Oklahoma legislature to get some legislation passed requiring the two schools to stay together ala Baylor in the early 90's.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogtired on October 19, 2011, 09:43:13 AM
Judging by that statement I assume you're of the opinion that the SEC should've stayed at 12--which is a solid opinion. However, I'd say that any of the teams that have been considered as #14, Mizzou, WVU, Va Tech, and our new #13 TAMU, all have better football programs than 4 SEC member schools right now.

So how can you say the drink is being diluted when potentially adding stronger football programs?

Keep in mind I am looking at this from a conference perspective and agree it could be excellent for Arkansas if it happens. I don't have an issue with expansion. I have an issue with bringing in another team for the sake of rounding. Mizzou is an awesome school that helps our conference rep with academics, not athletics.

I also agree that we have some weak members but adding another only further weakens the conference. If it was a great in my opinion. I don't profess to have the answers nor do I have an alternative that makes sense from an alignment, market, rivalry, scheduling perspective. My preference would be to add an eastern school.   

I am not claiming I am right, I am saying I don't get it.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: copenhaWgen on October 19, 2011, 10:16:39 AM
Keep in mind I am looking at this from a conference perspective and agree it could be excellent for Arkansas if it happens. I don't have an issue with expansion. I have an issue with bringing in another team for the sake of rounding. Mizzou is an awesome school that helps our conference rep with academics, not athletics.

I also agree that we have some weak members but adding another only further weakens the conference. If it was a great in my opinion. I don't profess to have the answers nor do I have an alternative that makes sense from an alignment, market, rivalry, scheduling perspective. My preference would be to add an eastern school.   

I am not claiming I am right, I am saying I don't get it.

We are gOing to 16 teams and 4 divisions.

I always thought big10 would wake uP and realize this and Mizzou would wait for a deal with them.   

Big 10 didn't wake uP and Mizzou can't afford to wait much like us in 90. Too risky for them.

Mizzou will be n east for a couple of yrs while we add va tech and nc state.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogofWar on October 19, 2011, 10:20:20 AM
Keep in mind I am looking at this from a conference perspective and agree it could be excellent for Arkansas if it happens. I don't have an issue with expansion. I have an issue with bringing in another team for the sake of rounding. Mizzou is an awesome school that helps our conference rep with academics, not athletics.

I also agree that we have some weak members but adding another only further weakens the conference. If it was a great in my opinion. I don't profess to have the answers nor do I have an alternative that makes sense from an alignment, market, rivalry, scheduling perspective. My preference would be to add an eastern school.   

I am not claiming I am right, I am saying I don't get it.

We could be on our way to add sixteen. That is the only reason we add Missouri in my opinion. I agree it does not make since to add a weaker school just to round out the numbers. Could they just be a stand in for someone better to come along? They want to go to the Loser/Cheater Big 10, we could give them the boot for an eastern team in the near future.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: LashHog on October 19, 2011, 10:23:37 AM
We are gOing to 16 teams and 4 divisions.

I always thought big10 would wake uP and realize this and Mizzou would wait for a deal with them.   

Big 10 didn't wake uP and Mizzou can't afford to wait much like us in 90. Too risky for them.

Mizzou will be n east for a couple of yrs while we add va tech and nc state.
I don't think you've been paying attention. If we were going to 16 by adding NC State and Va Tech we would have already done it. I agree that would be the best plan and those would be the best teams to add but it's not going to happen. We are barely getting to 14 and that's if Mizzou makes up their dumbass yankee minds. All the little conferences will keep playing wifeswap and make some 22 team conferences and all that and the Big12 will probably add a couple of them, but the big conferences are mostly done for a bit I think.

This all got out of hand a bit in the media and everyone starting assuming the 16 team league were inevitable but I think the conferences realized how that would change the landscape of college football and have balked at that.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on October 20, 2011, 10:15:26 AM
Whatever happens, I hope we can keep LSU on Black Friday.  Ideally, I'd like to see us open conference play with Mizzou and end with LSU.  That would help us around our Bama problem, and also make for a sort of semi-rivalry set up with Mizzou.  Plus Columbia is freezing later in the year.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 25, 2011, 12:11:29 PM
http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/201110250055


MORGANTOWN -- West Virginia University has applied for membership to the Big 12 Conference and been accepted, sources familiar with the negotiations told The Charleston Daily Mail on Tuesday.

The Mountaineers would replace the Missouri Tigers, who are believed to be ready to withdraw from the Big 12 soon to join the Southeastern Conference.

West Virginia's entry would return the Big 12 to 10 member schools -- Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech and WVU.

WVU would be subjected to the Big East Conference's exit fee and 27-month wait before it could leave. WVU was part of the unanimous vote last week to increase the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million. However, since no one has joined the Big East since that decision, WVU would only have to pay $5 million.

The details of WVU's move are still being finalized -- specifically when WVU could leave the Big East and join the Big 12, but the sources told the Daily Mail the decision has been approved on both sides.

WVU personnel are to meet Tuesday to discuss the resolution and an announcement could be made soon, likely as soon as Missouri says it is leaving the Big 12.

WVU follows Syracuse, Pitt and TCU out of the Big East. The Orange and Panthers said last month they will join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The Horned Frogs will join with WVU in the reconstituted Big 12, which previously lost Nebraska to the Big Ten, Colorado to the Pac-12 and Texas A&M to the SEC

With the Mountaineers leaving, the Big East, which lost Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College to the ACC in the last round of expansion, has only Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Rutgers and Connecticut as football members.

The Big East previously announced it hoped to add six schools to create a 12-team football membership.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on October 25, 2011, 12:42:10 PM
http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/201110250055


MORGANTOWN -- West Virginia University has applied for membership to the Big 12 Conference and been accepted, sources familiar with the negotiations told The Charleston Daily Mail on Tuesday.

The Mountaineers would replace the Missouri Tigers, who are believed to be ready to withdraw from the Big 12 soon to join the Southeastern Conference.

West Virginia's entry would return the Big 12 to 10 member schools -- Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech and WVU.

WVU would be subjected to the Big East Conference's exit fee and 27-month wait before it could leave. WVU was part of the unanimous vote last week to increase the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million. However, since no one has joined the Big East since that decision, WVU would only have to pay $5 million.

The details of WVU's move are still being finalized -- specifically when WVU could leave the Big East and join the Big 12, but the sources told the Daily Mail the decision has been approved on both sides.

WVU personnel are to meet Tuesday to discuss the resolution and an announcement could be made soon, likely as soon as Missouri says it is leaving the Big 12.

WVU follows Syracuse, Pitt and TCU out of the Big East. The Orange and Panthers said last month they will join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The Horned Frogs will join with WVU in the reconstituted Big 12, which previously lost Nebraska to the Big Ten, Colorado to the Pac-12 and Texas A&M to the SEC

With the Mountaineers leaving, the Big East, which lost Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College to the ACC in the last round of expansion, has only Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Rutgers and Connecticut as football members.

The Big East previously announced it hoped to add six schools to create a 12-team football membership.


Hmmm... closest away game is in Ames, Iowa. About 850 miles according to Mapquest. That's a LOT of travel expenses and I doubt TU and OU will want to give up any of their lion's share of income to help them out. ::)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 25, 2011, 12:59:30 PM
Hmmm... closest away game is in Ames, Iowa. About 850 miles according to Mapquest. That's a LOT of travel expenses and I doubt TU and OU will want to give up any of their lion's share of income to help them out. ::)

Thought the Big XII agreed recently to equal revenue sharing?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 25, 2011, 01:19:39 PM
I hate seeing WVU going to the Big 12. I wanted the Big East to survive by taking some MWC & C-USA teams, which would have possibly opened up a slot for LA Tech in C-USA. I have to think WVU leaving will mean the other teams the Big East wanted will no longer have any interest in going to the Big East now.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Raincrow on October 25, 2011, 01:31:15 PM
http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/201110250055


MORGANTOWN -- West Virginia University has applied for membership to the Big 12 Conference and been accepted, sources familiar with the negotiations told The Charleston Daily Mail on Tuesday.

The Mountaineers would replace the Missouri Tigers, who are believed to be ready to withdraw from the Big 12 soon to join the Southeastern Conference.

West Virginia's entry would return the Big 12 to 10 member schools -- Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech and WVU.

WVU would be subjected to the Big East Conference's exit fee and 27-month wait before it could leave. WVU was part of the unanimous vote last week to increase the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million. However, since no one has joined the Big East since that decision, WVU would only have to pay $5 million.

The details of WVU's move are still being finalized -- specifically when WVU could leave the Big East and join the Big 12, but the sources told the Daily Mail the decision has been approved on both sides.

WVU personnel are to meet Tuesday to discuss the resolution and an announcement could be made soon, likely as soon as Missouri says it is leaving the Big 12.

WVU follows Syracuse, Pitt and TCU out of the Big East. The Orange and Panthers said last month they will join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The Horned Frogs will join with WVU in the reconstituted Big 12, which previously lost Nebraska to the Big Ten, Colorado to the Pac-12 and Texas A&M to the SEC

With the Mountaineers leaving, the Big East, which lost Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College to the ACC in the last round of expansion, has only Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Rutgers  and Connecticut as football members.

The Big East previously announced it hoped to add six schools to create a 12-team football membership.

Didn't their coach (Rutgers) have a chance to take a big job a few years ago????

I can't remember but I bet you couldn't put a mule bridle on his ass about now if so.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on October 25, 2011, 02:19:02 PM
I can still see a couple of those going to the ACC for a 16 team league. SEC would then pick off two more from the mid Atlantic and ACC would fill in with the rest of what's left of the Big East.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 25, 2011, 03:41:42 PM
Big East is going to meet with MWC and CUSA to talk about forming a superDUPER conference.

This was talked about last week but then it was made clear that it was the MWC/CUSA super conference (who have already agreed to team up next season) was pursuing the Big East, not the other way around.  At the time, the BE thought they could hang on to their members and add a half dozen more teams to stabilize the conference.

Not happening now.  I doubt they can hang on to Louisville, but if they're going to go with a nationwide conference...

WEST:
1. Hawaii
2. Fresno St
3. SanDiego St
4. Nevada
5. UNLV
6. Boise St
7. Wyoming
8. Colorado St
9. Air Force

SOUTH:
1. New Mexico St
2. UTEP
3. Tulsa
4. SMU
5. Rice
6. Houston
7. Tulane
8. SoMiss
9. Memphis

EAST:
1. UAB
2. South Florida
3. Central Florida
4. East Carolina
5. Louisville
6. Marshall
7. Cincy
8. Rutgers
9. UCONN


If they lose Louisville then there's always Navy, Temple, LaTech, Arkansas St...


Looking at the above 27 teams, five of them have been to a BCS bowl since the system started in '98 (Boise, Cincy, Lousivlle, Hawaii, UCONN)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 25, 2011, 04:09:43 PM
Didn't their coach (Rutgers) have a chance to take a big job a few years ago????

I can't remember but I bet you couldn't put a mule bridle on his ass about now if so.

I believe your correct that Schiano (sp?) had a shot at a big job at one point and turned it down. 

Big East football was at its most interesting in 2006 and 2007.  In 2006 Louisville, Rutgers, and West Virginia were all undefeated about three-quarters of the way through the season.  Two of the three games between those teams were on consecutive Thursday nights and the atmosphere as well as the games themselves were exciting.  In the end a Petrino-coached Louisville came out ahead of the other two with a 11-1 record, eventually beating Wake Forest in the Orange Bowl.

In 2007 West Virginia, South Florida, and Cinncinati were again all undefeated at midseason.  Eventually only West Virginia remained in the top 10 by the last week of the season.  Arkansas beat LSU the day after Thanksgiving and all WVU had to do was beat Pittsburgh, who they were hosting, the next day and they were probably heading to the National Title game.  They failed miserably and settled for beating Big Game Bob and Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl.  Since then it has more or less been downhill for that conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 25, 2011, 04:13:50 PM
Big East is going to meet with MWC and CUSA to talk about forming a superDUPER conference.

This was talked about last week but then it was made clear that it was the MWC/CUSA super conference (who have already agreed to team up next season) was pursuing the Big East, not the other way around.  At the time, the BE thought they could hang on to their members and add a half dozen more teams to stabilize the conference.

Not happening now.  I doubt they can hang on to Louisville, but if they're going to go with a nationwide conference...

Three Division Superconference


The NCAA requires that either there be two divisions per conference or maybe its just that they require a championship game.  Either way, I'd like to see how they get a conference championship game out of that.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Snowman Slayer on October 25, 2011, 05:10:30 PM
http://www.dailymail.com/Sports/WVUSports/201110250055


MORGANTOWN -- West Virginia University has applied for membership to the Big 12 Conference and been accepted, sources familiar with the negotiations told The Charleston Daily Mail on Tuesday.

The Mountaineers would replace the Missouri Tigers, who are believed to be ready to withdraw from the Big 12 soon to join the Southeastern Conference.

West Virginia's entry would return the Big 12 to 10 member schools -- Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas, TCU, Texas Tech and WVU.

WVU would be subjected to the Big East Conference's exit fee and 27-month wait before it could leave. WVU was part of the unanimous vote last week to increase the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million. However, since no one has joined the Big East since that decision, WVU would only have to pay $5 million.

The details of WVU's move are still being finalized -- specifically when WVU could leave the Big East and join the Big 12, but the sources told the Daily Mail the decision has been approved on both sides.

WVU personnel are to meet Tuesday to discuss the resolution and an announcement could be made soon, likely as soon as Missouri says it is leaving the Big 12.

WVU follows Syracuse, Pitt and TCU out of the Big East. The Orange and Panthers said last month they will join the Atlantic Coast Conference. The Horned Frogs will join with WVU in the reconstituted Big 12, which previously lost Nebraska to the Big Ten, Colorado to the Pac-12 and Texas A&M to the SEC

With the Mountaineers leaving, the Big East, which lost Miami, Virginia Tech and Boston College to the ACC in the last round of expansion, has only Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Rutgers and Connecticut as football members.

The Big East previously announced it hoped to add six schools to create a 12-team football membership.

Full retard
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on October 25, 2011, 05:29:53 PM
Full retard

Yes it is.

I know some don't like all this expansion, but at least the SEC is picking off the neighboring states' fruit trees meaning it's not all far flung with States in between. Same went for the BIG and even the latest round for the ACC did as well.

I guess those left in the Big East are nervous and making hasty decisions like that one due to fear of being left out. 14 team leagues with 8 game slates in football make no sense. 16 is more workable with more flexibility in scheduling, I just wish the ACC or the SEC would just go ahead and get it there.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 25, 2011, 05:31:58 PM
Yes it is.

I know some don't like all this expansion, but at least the SEC is picking off the neighboring states' fruit trees meaning it's not all far flung with States in between. Same went for the BIG and even the latest round for the ACC did as well.


Could be wrong, but I thought it was like a SEC rule or something that said any additional schools have to be in states that touch other SEC states.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 25, 2011, 08:21:30 PM
Could be wrong, but I thought it was like a SEC rule or something that said any additional schools have to be in states that touch other SEC states.

I heard that it was a Big 10 rule that was cited by many when the rumors of Longhorn U going there were making the rounds last year.  If that was true then WV would have had to get around that somehow when they applied to the SEC last month or whenever it was.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 25, 2011, 08:38:22 PM
I heard that it was a Big 10 rule that was cited by many when the rumors of Longhorn U going there were making the rounds last year.  If that was true then WV would have had to get around that somehow when they applied to the SEC last month or whenever it was.

They no longer touch Kensucky?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 26, 2011, 08:05:10 AM
They no longer touch Kensucky?

Hatfield's and McCoy's can attest to that.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 26, 2011, 09:47:57 AM
They no longer touch Kensucky?

Oh yeah, forgot about Kensucky.  Off to DIAF.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: FayettenamHog on October 26, 2011, 01:23:55 PM
Louisville may be blocking WVU's move to the Big XII by going theirowndamnselves...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Louisville-won-8217-t-let-Mountaineers-get-away?urn=ncaaf-wp8721
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 26, 2011, 01:39:04 PM
Louisville may be blocking WVU's move to the Big XII by going theirowndamnselves...

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Louisville-won-8217-t-let-Mountaineers-get-away?urn=ncaaf-wp8721


Why can't they both go? If Mizzou leaves, you add BYU and you're good.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogtired on October 26, 2011, 01:40:06 PM
Oral (Insert joke here) Roberts is leaving their conference and very few noticed
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on October 26, 2011, 02:48:03 PM

Why can't they both go? If Mizzou leaves, you add BYU and you're good.

Because Texas only wants 10 teams in the conference.  And if you haven't noticed, what Texas wants it gets.

Remember that scene in The Dark Knight where the Joker tells a couple of minions that they get to fight to the death to see who gets to join his group?  I imagine that's what is playing out here between Louisville and WV.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 26, 2011, 02:54:02 PM
Because Texas only wants 10 teams in the conference.  And if you haven't noticed, what Texas wants it gets.

Remember that scene in The Dark Knight where the Joker tells a couple of minions that they get to fight to the death to see who gets to join his group?  I imagine that's what is playing out here between Louisville and WV.

There was already talk that if Mizzou leaves, the Big XII will expand back to 12.  They only want 10 if Mizzou stays.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 26, 2011, 03:54:48 PM
Mitch McConnell (Louisville alum) is trying to either prevent this or sell Louisville to the Big 12 over WVU:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/26/report-louisville-behind-wvu-to-big-12-snag/

What started as a hiccup for West Virginia’s seemingly inevitable invite to the Big 12 has now turned to reports that the Mountaineers have been blocked (so to speak) for Big 12 entry by Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

What we know is that West Virginia MetroNews, citing a high-placed source, reports the Big 12 contacted West Virginia yesterday and the two sides agreed to an informal verbal “invite and acceptance”, and that a press conference with the two sides was set for today (Wednesday) to announce that agreement. This had also been reported by Brett McMurphy of CBS Sports.

In the reports of Dominion Post reporter Drew Rubenstein and MetroNews, WVU felt the deal was indeed “done”.

But late last night, as has already been reported, WVU sent out a press release stating there would be no press conference for Wednesday. “Contrary to media reports, there is no press conference scheduled for Wednesday concerning WVU’s athletic conference affiliation.  There are no further comments at that time,” the statement said.

From MetroNews’ original story (before updates):

As of late yesterday afternoon, WVU had received a verbal invitation to the Big 12 and had accepted. Plans were in the works for a news conference Wednesday to make the announcement.

But sources say the process hit a “bump in the road” last night.  WVU was apparently notified by the Big 12 that it needed “more information” from WVU and that there would be a vote by the Big 12 Board, perhaps on Monday.

Pete Thamel of the New York Times reports that Louisville made a late, 11th hour surge to get back into the discussion as the 10th member of the Big 12.

Two people with direct knowledge of the situation said that lobbying by the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, including to David Boren, the president of the University of Oklahoma and a former senator, helped slow West Virginia’s admittance to the Big 12.

McConnell is a 1964 graduate of the University of Louisville.

Where the speculation begins is if there was political pressure employed by McConnell to Boren, and potentially, other members of the Big 12 to re-evaluate Louisville as a potential candidate to replace Missouri if they leave for the SEC as they are expected to do.

When that announcement will come is still unknown.

Additionally, West Virginia senator Jay Rockefeller has released the following statement:

“The Big 12 picked WVU on the strength of its program — period. Now the media reports that political games may upend that. That’s just flat wrong. I am doing and will do whatever it takes to get us back to the merits.”

West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin (previously Gov.) has also called a 6 p.m. press conference to discuss conference realignment issues.

Political pressure, if indeed the driving force behind this latest round of conference shifting, is nothing new; frankly, it doesn’t matter if it’s from McConnell, Rockefeller, Manchin or all of the above. It is, however, a prime example of how far away college football has deviated from logic and rational thinking.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 27, 2011, 11:18:10 PM
Um, I think someone at the SEC just goofed.

http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/sec-expansion-thread-welcome-mizzou-and-hebrew.98802/page-29

Skip down about halfway
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on October 28, 2011, 06:13:55 AM
Um, I think someone at the SEC just goofed.

http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/sec-expansion-thread-welcome-mizzou-and-hebrew.98802/page-29

Skip down about halfway

i lol'd
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: EastArkHog on October 28, 2011, 07:15:04 AM
Um, I think someone at the SEC just goofed.

http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/sec-expansion-thread-welcome-mizzou-and-hebrew.98802/page-29

Skip down about halfway

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – Given the ever-changing conference paradigm over the past year, the Southeastern Conference has continued to demonstrate its commitment to maintaining its stature as one of the nation’s premier conferences by welcoming the University of Missouri as the league’s 14th member, Commissioner Mike Slive announced Monday.

Missouri joins Texas A&M University as the league’s two new institutions who will begin full membership on July 1, 2012. It is the first expansion of the SEC membership since Arkansas and South Carolina joined the conference in 1992.

Missouri was a charter member of the Missouri Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Association in 1907, which became the Big Six Conference in 1964, the Big Eight Conference in 1964 and the Big 12 Conference in 1996.

Geographically, it is a natural fit as the state of Missouri touches more states (Arkansas, Kentucky and Tennessee) that currently are home to an SEC institution than any other state that is not in the league’s previous 13-member footprint. Like the majority of the cities in the SEC, Columbia, Mo., is a college-centered town with a metropolitan population of 164,283, making it the fifth-largest city in the state of Missouri.

With an enrollment of 32,415, the University of Missouri boasts a strong academic resume, as it is one of only five universities nationwide with law, medicine, veterinary medicine and a research reactor on one campus. Six of Missouri’s sports teams last season led the Big 12 in graduation rate for their respective sports.

Culturally, Missouri is as well known for its barbecue, country music, history and rich tradition as the majority of the current states of the SEC.

Missouri is one of only 35 public U.S. universities invited to membership in the prestigious Association of American Universities (AAU). It will become the fourth SEC school that is part of the AAU, joining Florida, Texas A&M and Vanderbilt.

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Monday’s announcement marks just the fourth time in the history of the conference that the SEC will expand its membership. In a landscape that has seemed ever-changing in recent years, the SEC has exemplified stability as 10 of its original 13 members remain.

The league began as a 13-team league until Sewanee’s departure from the conference in 1940. After Georgia Tech’s move to independent status in 1964, the league had 11 members before Tulane departed in 1966, leaving the SEC as a 10-team conference for more than two decades.

At the start of the decade of the 1990s, a similar shift in conference alignment allowed Arkansas and South Carolina to join the SEC. The benefits have been nothing short of outstanding.

Soon after joining the league, the Razorbacks claimed the 1994 NCAA Championship in men’s basketball and finished as the NCAA runner-up the following year. They made their first appearance in the SEC Championship football game in 1995, appearing again in 2002 and 2006.

The Arkansas women’s basketball team made its first-ever Final Four appearance in 1998 before winning the WNIT the next season. The level of track and field in the SEC was quickly raised with the addition of the Razorbacks. Arkansas’ men won cross country national titles in 1992, 1993, 1995, 1998, 1999 and 2000. Men’s NCAA Indoor Track and Field Championships came every year from 1993-2000 and again in 2003, 2005 and 2006. The men also claimed NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championships from 1993-1999 and again in 2003.

South Carolina won the Women’s NCAA Outdoor Track and Field Championship in 2002, becoming, at the time, just the second different SEC team to claim an NCAA Women’s Outdoor Track and Field Championship. The past two seasons have been magical ones for the Gamecocks, as they have captured back-to-back NCAA Championships in baseball and advanced to the SEC Championship game in football for the first time in the program’s history.
 
On September 25, 2011, Texas A&M was announced as the league’s 13th member, beginning with the 2012-13 academic year.

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Missouri took to the field for the first time in 1890, making it one of the first SEC institutions to begin playing football. Kentucky played a three-game schedule in 1881, but didn’t play again until a decade later. Vanderbilt also began its football program in 1890.

Don Faurot was one of the early founders of Missouri athletics, as he was a three-sport standout for the Tigers from 1922-24. He served the school as its football coach from 1935-56 and continued on as the athletics director until 1967. Faurot is known for the creation of the Split-T formation in 1941. The formation’s option play still today serves as the basis for many present-day schemes, including the Wishbone, Wingbone, Veer and I-Formation.

Faurot compiled a record of 101-79-10, making the school’s first modern-day bowl appearance in 1939 when it advanced to the Orange Bowl. Until 1994, the year prior to his death, Faurot was heavily involved in the annual Blue-Gray football game in Montgomery, Ala.

The Tigers rose to national prominence under head coach Dan Devine in the 1960s, when Devine’s winning percentage of .767 was the best in the nation during that decade. In 13 seasons at Missouri, Devine posted a record of 93-37-7 and eight players earned First-Team All-America honors. His 1960 Missouri squad finished with an 11-0 record and defeated Navy 21-14 in the Orange Bowl. The 1965 squad went 8-2-1 and defeated Florida in the Sugar Bowl. The Tigers won the Big Eight Conference in 1960 and 1969 under Devine.

Since 2007, the football Tigers have claimed three Big 12 North Championships. Under current head coach Gary Pinkel, Missouri posted a 12-2 record in 2007 and defeated Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl.

The Tigers began playing basketball in 1906 and enjoyed the greatest amount of success under legendary head coach Norm Stewart from 1967-99. In 32 years, Stewart led Missouri to 634 wins and 333 losses for a .656 winning percentage, the best in program history. Stewart’s teams won 20 or more games 17 times, including a school-record 29 wins during the 1988-89 season. He won eight Big Eight Conference championships and six conference tournament titles.
 
Missouri started competing in the sport of baseball in 1891 and won the College World Series in 1954, marking the school’s first national title in any sport. The Tigers have made six CWS appearances in the program’s history, including three national runner-up finishes (1952, 1958, 1964).

The Tigers also have had great success in the sport of track and field and won the NCAA Men’s Indoor Championship in 1965. The soccer and softball teams have been proficient as of late with soccer winning the 2009 Big 12 Championship and softball claiming that title in 2011.


Didn't his come from the SEC Digital network? If so, oh my lol................

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on October 28, 2011, 09:33:32 AM
Jay Rockefeller: "In your face, Bitch McConnell!"

http://tracking.si.com/2011/10/28/report-big-12-decides-to-accept-west-virginia-into-the-conference/

West Virginia University has been officially invited to join the Big 12 Conference sources have told Brett McMurphy of CBS Sports.

It was initially reported earlier this week that West Virginia’s acceptance to the Big 12 was all but a formality; however last minute lobbying by Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell and others on behalf of Louisville delayed the final decision until this morning. West Virginia’s entrance to the conference is pending the departure of Missouri to the SEC, which is expected to happen within weeks.

The departure of West Virginia marks the fourth major team to make the decision to leave the Big East, after Pittsburgh, Syracuse and TCU announced intentions to leave for greener pastures earlier this year. With this latest loss, only Connecticut, Rutgers, USF, Cincinnati and Louisville will remain as members the conference’s football league.

As part of their departure, West Virginia must pay a $5 million exit fee. CBS Sports reports that this number could have been as high as $10 million if the school had announced their intention to leave after the Big East adds either Navy or Air Force. Big East commissioner John Marinatto reportedly met with Navy, Air Force and several other schools last week in an attempt to bolster the conference’s football presence.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on October 28, 2011, 12:48:45 PM


It's interesting to note that, in the Big 12's press release about WVU joining the conference, Missouri is not on the list of schools expected to be in the conference at the start of the 2012-2013 season.  I guess they're going somewhere . . .   

“Beginning with the 2012-13 season it is expected that the Big 12 Conference will be comprised of 10 Universities – Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech and West Virginia.”
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: KCHOGS on October 28, 2011, 12:52:29 PM

It's interesting to note that, in the Big 12's press release about WVU joining the conference, Missouri is not on the list of schools expected to be in the conference at the start of the 2012-2013 season.  I guess they're going somewhere . . .   

“Beginning with the 2012-13 season it is expected that the Big 12 Conference will be comprised of 10 Universities – Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech and West Virginia.”

only problem with that list is the Big East has a 27 month notice and all schools (Syracuse, WVU, and Pitt) are expected to honor that.  Of course money talks, so they can probably get out for a little more cash.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on October 28, 2011, 12:54:06 PM
The real question is what does the big 12 do with the money they get from aTm & Mizzou for leaving.  Do they keep it, or give it to the big east to start next year?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: LashHog on October 28, 2011, 01:31:52 PM
only problem with that list is the Big East has a 27 month notice and all schools (Syracuse, WVU, and Pitt) are expected to honor that.  Of course money talks, so they can probably get out for a little more cash.
They're working out a deal somehow. Not sure how, but the only reason this is happening is because WVU can come in 2012. Big12 wouldn't do it otherwise. It also means Missouri will come in by 12, which had to happen for us to work out schedules.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 28, 2011, 01:35:58 PM
The nice thing is, nothing changes for us at all.  We're already playing A&M and if we get to swap out SC for Mizzou we get a fan friendly road game against a team that is probably going to have a worse record against us for the next 20 than SC did against us. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on October 28, 2011, 01:51:00 PM
Moving Mizzou to the East will be spun around the fact that they touch 2 "east" states (Kentucky and Tennessee) and thus have road-friendly division games against Tenn, Vandy, and Kentucky.  Let Mizzou and Arkansas be cross-division rivals and there's another road-friendly game for Mizzou.

It might make more sense to pair up A&M and Mizzou since they are both coming from the same conference, and are coming in at the same time...but moving them to the east already makes so little sense geographically, why stop there.

TAMU and SoCar might grow into a good series, sicne both schools seem to have a military vibe going on.

Plus it's a win for Arkansas, since few bother going to Columbia, SC every other year, but very likely will travel to Columbia, MO.


...speaking of: The SEC now (or soon) has three tigers, two bulldogs, two Columbias, and one functional retard in the land of the klan.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 28, 2011, 01:58:28 PM
Game-week threads are going to be nice, there are some hot ass bishes at UM-Columbia. :stache:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on October 28, 2011, 02:00:33 PM

...speaking of: The SEC now (or soon) has three tigers, two bulldogs, two Columbias, and one functional retard in the land of the klan.

I chortled. 

I'll be glad when this round is over (hopefully) and Misery makes it's announcement, & the hillfolk move over to suck on some longwhorn cawk and we can stop talking about this crap. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogtired on October 28, 2011, 02:23:20 PM
Game-week threads are going to be nice, there are some hot ass bishes at UM-Columbia. :stache:

C'mon now... If you state it, prove it or STFU!
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 28, 2011, 03:02:40 PM
C'mon now... If you state it, prove it or STFU!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DXfbDjZYtMM/TMWk_NpNlHI/AAAAAAAAKXc/2vbs2oLa-Z8/s1600/mizzou30.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: MDEM on October 28, 2011, 06:23:38 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DXfbDjZYtMM/TMWk_NpNlHI/AAAAAAAAKXc/2vbs2oLa-Z8/s1600/mizzou30.jpg)

Is there flesh in there somewhere, or just the plastic?   :hmmm:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PIG.WEED on October 28, 2011, 07:48:47 PM
I'd hit 'em.  JoeBob? (Like we need to ask?)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on October 28, 2011, 10:01:26 PM
Is there flesh in there somewhere, or just the plastic?   :hmmm:

I actually had some work to get done today... That was the quick n easy from a non-googlemaster.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Arkansas Proud on October 29, 2011, 12:58:56 AM
The nice thing is, nothing changes for us at all.  We're already playing A&M and if we get to swap out SC for Mizzou we get a fan friendly road game against a team that is probably going to have a worse record against us for the next 20 than SC did against us.

I don't know.  We have a pretty good record against SC - I would expect us to win about 2/3 against Mizzou. 



Plus it's a win for Arkansas, since few bother going to Columbia, SC every other year, but very likely will travel to Columbia, MO.

Columbia's downtown area around the school is really nice and has a lot of good places to hang out on game weekend - reminds me of some other SEC places like Fayetteville, Tuscaloosa, Auburn.

But their tailgating is definitely not up to SEC standards yet.


Fun fact:  Missouri is where homecoming started.  It's a pretty big deal up there. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: reverendhog on October 29, 2011, 01:06:51 AM
I am five minutes from Bitch McMconnel's offiice. I am more than happy to "occupy"" it.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 06, 2011, 01:17:27 AM
Looks like the announcement could come as early as Monday, with Mizzou in the East.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7197599/missouri-move-sec-planned-week-source-says
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on November 06, 2011, 10:13:31 AM
and Mizzou makes 14

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/NEWS/tabid/473/Article/229185/university-of-missouri-to-join-southeastern-conference.aspx
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on November 06, 2011, 10:20:17 AM
and Mizzou makes 14

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/NEWS/tabid/473/Article/229185/university-of-missouri-to-join-southeastern-conference.aspx
Missouri:


(http://www.patchworkminds.com/rocketllama/yeoldeguide/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/s20066_Rape_Ewok_PREPARE_YOUR_ANUS_Funny_Pics-s890x704-181821-580.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: KCHOGS on November 06, 2011, 10:48:32 AM
and Mizzou makes 14

http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/NEWS/tabid/473/Article/229185/university-of-missouri-to-join-southeastern-conference.aspx

Mizzou just committed football suicide.  They've not been too competitive in the Big 12 (1 win against UT and OU) and without looking I believe just one trip to the Big 12 championship.  Keep in mind that's in the Big 12 North with Nebraska and then a bunch of cupcakes (Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Colorado).  They will never make a run in the SEC East and would be lucky to come in 4th in the SEC West.

In basketball they'll be fine.  Middle of the pack with an occasional top 3 finish.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razorback Jedi on November 06, 2011, 10:57:11 AM
Mike Anderson approves this message.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on November 07, 2011, 04:06:02 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/07/bronco-mendenhall-we-have-been-approached-by-the-big-east/

Following up on an initial Denver Post report where BYU officials said they had been in talks with the Big East, Cougars coach Bronco Mendenhall confirmed today that the school had been in talks with the Big East about joining the conference.

“There is a push [from the Big East],” Mendenhall said. “There are conversations that are in place for the Big East to convince, or to have BYU join the conference.”

Mendenhall says he’s unsure how far along those conversations are in the process.

“I trust our athletic director [Tom Holmoe] and President [Cecil] Samuelson to deal with all that. I have been informed along the way. At some point there will be a decision of what our intentions will be,” Mendenhall said.

The Big East is looking to rebuild up to possibly 12 football teams following the departures of Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the ACC, and TCU and West Virginia to the Big 12. Although the Big East has announced its intentions to extend formal invites for expansion, the conference hasn’t officially announced to whom. It’s believed Boise State, Air Force and Navy will be brought in as football-only members and Houston, SMU and UCF in all sports.

Idaho’s State Board of Education approved Boise State’s request “to change conference affiliation for its intercollegiate athletics teams” last week; Air Force, however, could be more hesitant about jumping from the Mountain West.

Depending how long the talks between BYU and the Big East continue, the Broncos could be brought in as a football-only member. Most of BYU’s other sports play in the West Coast Conference.

If the Cougars did move to the Big East in football, it could be a part of a BCS automatic qualifying conference. The Big East’s automatic bid runs through 2013, but the additions of Boise State and BYU as part of the larger package of replacements could be enough to offset the loss of Pitt, Syracuse, TCU and WVU, allowing the Big East to maintain its AQ status beyond that point.

“Certainly there are a lot of questions on our part, but with the landscape changing the main benefit that I could see on a short term scale would be inclusion into the BCS system,” Mendenhall said. “That’s up in two years. Again whether the Big East is able hold that spot with the new teams going in? My guess would be yes.”
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Count Porkula on November 07, 2011, 04:14:41 PM
@Bruce Feldman
And change name to TheBigEast (of Hawaii). RT @McMurphyCBS: BYU & San Diego St possibilities for Big East. bit.ly/sLBuAB


 ;D
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on November 07, 2011, 04:20:39 PM
I bet the basketball schools (which run that conference) would never allow for a name change even though they really should rename it.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: shank portion on November 07, 2011, 05:01:55 PM
I already crammed my mule into a machine that cleaves cocks just in case this had already been posted. Looks like we may be going to a 9 game conference schedule after all.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/11/7/2544222/sec-nine-game-conference-schedule-football (http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/11/7/2544222/sec-nine-game-conference-schedule-football)

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on November 07, 2011, 05:26:43 PM
I already crammed my mule into a machine that cleaves cocks just in case this had already been posted. Looks like we may be going to a 9 game conference schedule after all.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/11/7/2544222/sec-nine-game-conference-schedule-football (http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/11/7/2544222/sec-nine-game-conference-schedule-football)

At least we won't have to buyout one of the OOC teams to make room for the extra SEC game.

LULZ
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Southern Yeoman on November 07, 2011, 06:35:50 PM
I'm surprised at the lack of comments about Missouri entering the SEC.  I know it's old news, but at least now it's official.

In my opinion, it's lame to put them in the east.  It looks just as silly as this Big East-Boise stuff.  People got leaned on by the Aladamnbama schools so that Auburn would not have to go to the east.  Good grief.  Can't somebody rise up to be a little more wise than the state of Alabama?  It doesn't take much.

Damn, they could play the stupid iron bowl every year regardless of division affiliation if they wanted to. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on November 07, 2011, 07:02:42 PM
Auburn wanted to go East.

Alabama didn't want Auburn to go East, because with only one cross-divisional rival, they would have had to choose between AU and UT as their permanent rivals.

But yeah, fuck Alabama.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Kill The Ref on November 07, 2011, 07:05:22 PM
I already crammed my mule into a machine that cleaves cocks just in case this had already been posted. Looks like we may be going to a 9 game conference schedule after all.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/11/7/2544222/sec-nine-game-conference-schedule-football (http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2011/11/7/2544222/sec-nine-game-conference-schedule-football)
Update 2, in the above article.

UPDATE 2

Charles Bloom, the SEC's PR guy, has denied that a nine-game schedule has even been discussed. Either Pastides got some seriously bad intel, or he seriously jumped the gun with this
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 07, 2011, 07:11:55 PM
I'm surprised at the lack of comments about Missouri entering the SEC.  I know it's old news, but at least now it's official.

In my opinion, it's lame to put them in the east.  It looks just as silly as this Big East-Boise stuff.  People got leaned on by the Aladamnbama schools so that Auburn would not have to go to the east.  Good grief.  Can't somebody rise up to be a little more wise than the state of Alabama?  It doesn't take much.

Damn, they could play the stupid iron bowl every year regardless of division affiliation if they wanted to.

 I think it was more about Bama/UT rivalry, but its still ghey. NTTAWWT.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Southern Yeoman on November 07, 2011, 07:21:13 PM
I think it was more about Bama/UT rivalry, but its still ghey. NTTAWWT.

I don't get that rivalry myself, and I'm 6th generation deep, deep SEC.  They share a state line, but outside of the Fulmer: "Bama's cheating" flap, I don't see why they MUST play TN every year.  Slive and his asst CEOs need to know how to tell reps to shut up and color, or the conference turns into just another banana republic (heard that before?).
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogggdadi on November 07, 2011, 07:21:23 PM
Someone posted in the lol miss thread that the permanent cross division rivals were changing, but I couldn't confirm that on the source, the gainsville sun. 

It's mentioned on this article the rumor that Arkansas was gonna switch over from USC-e to mizzou, but the article says it's not true. 

I would like to know what the schedule is gonna be next year.  Interesting that the talk centered around the SEC reimbursing the schools for the payback to the 1AA teams that SEC schools have already scheduled. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razordoc on November 07, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
I would like to know what the schedule is gonna be next year.  Interesting that the talk centered around the SEC reimbursing the schools for the payback to the 1AA teams that SEC schools have already scheduled. 

I of course have no fricking clue but I know what I'd like to see happen.  It only makes sense to go to a nine game sec schedule IMO.  Otherwise, there would be even more potential issues than there are now with a team from one division not facing the best from the other, as per UGA this year.  Also, USCe only had to play us, and we know how that turned out for them.

It would make sense to play all of your divisional teams, and still keep three each year from the other division.  Next year, vu rotates out and kenfucky is supposed to rotate in.  I'd sure as starkville like to see that delayed and us play missery the next two years.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on November 07, 2011, 08:20:52 PM
Charles Bloom, the SEC's PR guy, has denied that a nine-game schedule has even been discussed. Either Pastides got some seriously bad intel, or he seriously jumped the gun with this

 :P
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-2RD8xxK-JJc/TXbzPhI7zzI/AAAAAAAAPDA/NsO8qCSfACc/Iraqi%252520Information%252520Minister.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on November 07, 2011, 11:35:44 PM
I don't get that rivalry myself, and I'm 6th generation deep, deep SEC.  They share a state line, but outside of the Fulmer: "Bama's cheating" flap, I don't see why they MUST play TN every year.  Slive and his asst CEOs need to know how to tell reps to shut up and color, or the conference turns into just another banana republic (heard that before?).
 

What's not to get? I know the Vols have sucked balls for the last few years but they have won the 2nd most SEC titles and they have a long bitter rivalry with the Gumps.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Razordoc on November 08, 2011, 05:55:08 AM
This per today's AR Dem-Gaz, and I saw it elsewhere as well:

"SEC associate commissioner Charles Bloom said Monday on his Twitter account that the SEC “will continue to play eight conference games in football. There has been no discussion on nine game schedule.”

Bloom confirmed later that his Tweet was accurate."


Dumber than aMm to me, but if indeed this is how it plays out, then who do we "drop" from next year's conference schedule?  aTm?  Just don't schedule kenfucky?  Since aTm now becomes a conference game, do we have to find (and pay) another cupcake, hurting our SOS?  Do we try and find a quality non-conference opponent on short notice (difficult), and lose a home game every other year?  Shirley more rational minds will prevail.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on November 08, 2011, 07:54:42 AM
This per today's AR Dem-Gaz, and I saw it elsewhere as well:

"SEC associate commissioner Charles Bloom said Monday on his Twitter account that the SEC “will continue to play eight conference games in football. There has been no discussion on nine game schedule.”

Bloom confirmed later that his Tweet was accurate."


Dumber than aMm to me, but if indeed this is how it plays out, then who do we "drop" from next year's conference schedule?  aTm?  Just don't schedule kenfucky?  Since aTm now becomes a conference game, do we have to find (and pay) another cupcake, hurting our SOS?  Do we try and find a quality non-conference opponent on short notice (difficult), and lose a home game every other year?  Shirley more rational minds will prevail.

I agree that an 8 game conference schedule is stupid with 14 teams.  That means teams will play one permanent and one rotating opponent.  So it will take 11 years to play every other team in the other division in the regular season.

As far as the nonconference opponents go, don't we have a TCU series that is scheduled to start up next year or the year after?  Not sure if they will still be a quality opponent by then though.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: bigfathog on November 08, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
I'm surprised at the lack of comments about Missouri entering the SEC.  I know it's old news, but at least now it's official.

In my opinion, it's lame to put them in the east.  It looks just as silly as this Big East-Boise stuff.  People got leaned on by the Aladamnbama schools so that Auburn would not have to go to the east.  Good grief.  Can't somebody rise up to be a little more wise than the state of Alabama?  It doesn't take much.

Damn, they could play the stupid iron bowl every year regardless of division affiliation if they wanted to.

Mizzou being in the East id the best thing for Arkiesaw to happen.  All the gas stations, restaurants, and motel 6s along 40 and Southern Arkansas will get huge influxes of cash during the football season.  Should be a small boom for the poor lil state of Arkie.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on November 08, 2011, 09:44:27 AM
Mizzou being in the East id the best thing for Arkiesaw to happen.  All the gas stations, restaurants, and motel 6s along 40 and Southern Arkansas will get huge influxes of cash during the football season.  Should be a small boom for the poor lil state of Arkie.

You realize that Missouri is north of Arkansas and not west...
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: bigfathog on November 08, 2011, 09:51:50 AM
You realize that Missouri is north of Arkansas and not west...

How do you get to Missouri from GA, FL, TN, BAma, AU, LSU, A&M.

I'll hang up and listen...

go  :suicide:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on November 08, 2011, 09:52:48 AM
You realize that Missouri is north of Arkansas and not west...

He not good at teh geographies.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hoggadore on November 08, 2011, 09:55:00 AM
How do you get to Missouri from GA, FL, TN, BAma, AU, LSU, A&M.

I'll hang up and listen...

go  :suicide:

Maybe not for the West schools, but for the East, through Kentucky.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: shortstop6 on November 08, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
How do you get to Missouri from GA, FL, TN, BAma, AU, LSU, A&M.

I'll hang up and listen...

go  :suicide:

If you drive through southern Arkansas to get to Columbia, MO from anywhere except Louisiana, far east Texas and far west Mississippi, you're a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Southern Yeoman on November 08, 2011, 10:13:27 AM
How do you get to Missouri from GA, FL, TN, BAma, AU, LSU, A&M.

I'll hang up and listen...

go  :suicide:

I'm guessing since it's finally raining in Texas, that you had to come in from stump-breaking your heifers and to type some trash.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on November 08, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
How do you get to Missouri from GA, FL, TN, BAma, AU, LSU, A&M.

I'll hang up and listen...

go  :suicide:

You might need to look at a map there Hoss.

Seriously.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 08, 2011, 12:36:10 PM
He's just an uneasy rider.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Old P. Hartt on November 08, 2011, 12:51:58 PM
He's just an uneasy rider.
:thumbup:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: bigfathog on November 08, 2011, 01:42:12 PM
You might need to look at a map there Hoss.

Seriously.

Well I B shit.

Mizzou would be better for Arkansas in the West.  Goole directions is my friend...
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on November 27, 2011, 03:28:01 PM
Fucking ridiculous.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/27/san-diego-st-emerging-as-candidate-for-big-east-football-inclusion/
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on December 06, 2011, 12:47:23 PM
officially official:

Boise St and San Diego St will join for Big East football only.

SMU, Central Florida and Houston for all sports.



The Big East is adding in the hopes of keeping an Auto Bid...a month after BCS movers and shakers announce they're talking about doing away with Auto Births, and only deciding #1 v #2
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Southern Yeoman on December 06, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
officially official:

Boise St and San Diego St will join for Big East football only.

SMU, Central Florida and Houston for all sports.



The Big East is adding in the hopes of keeping an Auto Bid...a month after BCS movers and shakers announce they're talking about doing away with Auto Births, and only deciding #1 v #2

Well, somebody has to go to all those credit union, tater, and hungry bowls out yonder.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on January 18, 2012, 10:50:28 PM
Arkansas is "on the table" to become Mizzou's divisional crossover rival in the Southeastern Conference, and the SEC is hopeful that St. Louis and Kansas City will bid for future men's and women's conference basketball tournaments, SEC transition chair Larry Templeton said Monday at Mizzou Arena.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/arkansas-might-be-mu-s-sec-crossover-rival/article_63453a22-6c81-59dd-9aa6-2e1c5ae78c6f.html#ixzz1jsPG4CHL
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on January 18, 2012, 10:55:18 PM
Arkansas is "on the table" to become Mizzou's divisional crossover rival in the Southeastern Conference, and the SEC is hopeful that St. Louis and Kansas City will bid for future men's and women's conference basketball tournaments, SEC transition chair Larry Templeton said Monday at Mizzou Arena.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/arkansas-might-be-mu-s-sec-crossover-rival/article_63453a22-6c81-59dd-9aa6-2e1c5ae78c6f.html#ixzz1jsPG4CHL

Good. It's only logical that if we're not in the same division that we are cross division rivals. Plus they already really hate us for what we're doing them in recruiting and for taking MA.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Das Uberschwein on January 19, 2012, 12:07:09 AM
Good. It's only logical that if we're not in the same division that we are cross division rivals. Plus they already really hate us for what we're doing them in recruiting and for taking MA.

And for that knee in the junk that Oliver Miller gave Doug Williams back in '90.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 07, 2012, 01:46:50 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/report-big-east-memphis-working-toward-2013-membership/

Memphis will be a full-sport member and they're in the final stages of negotiation.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 07, 2012, 02:02:42 PM
If Memphis is meant to be the plug that keeps your sinking ship afloat, you might want to put on your life vest.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on February 07, 2012, 02:20:42 PM
Memphis knows not what they do. It'll hurt them in the wins column on the basketball side(their one true sport) and if they couldn'd  field a competitive football squad in the CUSA and having lost three of the last four against Howling an Shit how in the hell will they now. Memphis thinks it belongs with Louisville and to a lesser extent Cincy. Trouble is those two don't give two farts about Memphis and are both wanting Longhorn Conference membership.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 07, 2012, 02:24:34 PM
Maybe they'll put more into their football program now that their AD is retiring. From everything I read, he's never cared at all about football and has directed everything towards the basketball program.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on February 07, 2012, 03:14:35 PM
Maybe they'll put more into their football program now that their AD is retiring. From everything I read, he's never cared at all about football and has directed everything towards the basketball program.

What money? Their fundraising for football is shit and has always been shit. They are dependant on the city government for liberty bowl improvements which laughable given current state of affairs there.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 07, 2012, 05:11:33 PM
What money? Their fundraising for football is aMm and has always been aMm. They are dependant on the city government for liberty bowl improvements which laughable given current state of affairs there.
When the AD is pushing all of the money towards basketball, why the Starkville would anyone donate to football?

I know for a fact two things.

Memphis has made efforts towards its own on-campus facility. Not much yet, but even the prospect of such would improve the program two-fold almost immediately.

They would not suck worse by moving to the Big East. Maybe in the first year or two, but they'd step up their game just like Louisville, Cincinnati and USF did.

Now, would they ever be a threat to our program?
No, not at this rate. A threat to Tennessee or Ole Miss/Miss State? They're more worried about Vanderbilt...  about ten-fold more.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: jsimp on February 07, 2012, 05:13:13 PM
howlin to conference usa?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on February 07, 2012, 07:21:18 PM
When the AD is pushing all of the money towards basketball, why the Starkville would anyone donate to football?

I know for a fact two things.

Memphis has made efforts towards its own on-campus facility. Not much yet, but even the prospect of such would improve the program two-fold almost immediately.

They would not suck worse by moving to the Big East. Maybe in the first year or two, but they'd step up their game just like Louisville, Cincinnati and USF did.

Now, would they ever be a threat to our program?
No, not at this rate. A threat to Tennessee or Ole Miss/Miss State? They're more worried about Vanderbilt...  about ten-fold more.

Louisville er....... John L and Bobby had stepped up Louisville's game during a nice run preceding the Big East invite. Schenlenbooger had going once before as well before jumping to Miami.

The on campus stadium is a pipedream. It will never happen for a multitude of reasons. Memphis has done some work to the LB turning what once was LibertyLand to a tailgating area
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4uXQ2eTUOihLKhUY2vYOlLvfggJsIxPDqHbaa8A9FPi_H06NVnA7rkwuX)
(http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2010/08/24/25tigerlane_t607.jpeg&sa=X&ei=ls4xT-nIMe6fsQLKl8igBw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNE-K5QLh003IDIkqU_FaaeBIYq1Kw)

I rather have kept the Zippin Pippin.

They got a new weightroom (but not in our league) but have yet to fully fund an indoor practice field
(http://www.google.com/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/mem/graphics/weightroom-horiz.jpg&sa=X&ei=w80xT5qeKqSQsAL9yMmEBw&ved=0CAsQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF7fdBNk-ivSKE4K78JS3xJmiQ17w)

By the Way, all that is at the south campus and not at the main campus
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on February 12, 2012, 10:33:23 AM
Honus "The Dude" Sneed reports Clemson & FSU have formed committees to explore the feasability of leaving the ACC for the Big 12 and are expected to reach a decision by late summer.

 

****

The Big 12 conference will put its expansion plans on hiatus while Clemson and FSU decide to apply for membership or stay with the ACC.

Talks between the two schools and the Big 12 began late last fall and continued after the completion of the 2011 season. Recently  both schools have formed committees to examine the advantages and disadvantages of leaving the ACC for the Big 12 and expect to reach a decision by late summer.

Chief among their concerns are travel costs and the prospect of increased revenues resulting from Big 12 membership. Clemson and FSU officials have told the Big 12 that the projected increase of ACC revenues resulting from the addition of Pittsburgh and Syracuse falls short of what Big 12 teams currently receive.

Reportedly Big 12 members receive just over $17 million per team in annual TV rights while the ACC projects TV revenues will increase to $16 per team after Pittsburgh and Syracuse join the conference.

The Big 12 provided Clemson and FSU financial projections with estimates of each member’s share of annual revenues in excess of $35 million per team – more than double ACC projections -- after the tier 1 TV contract is reworked.

The increase in revenues would allow Clemson and FSU to keep up with the spending by their SEC neighbors and in-state rivals.

Rumored invitations to Louisville and BYU are on hold until Clemson and FSU decide to apply for membership.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: BASS on February 12, 2012, 11:12:10 AM
Honus "The Dude" Sneed reports Clemson & FSU have formed committees to explore the feasability of leaving the ACC for the Big 12 and are expected to reach a decision by late summer.

****

The Big 12 conference will put its expansion plans on hiatus while Clemson and FSU decide to apply for membership or stay with the ACC.

Talks between the two schools and the Big 12 began late last fall and continued after the completion of the 2011 season. Recently  both schools have formed committees to examine the advantages and disadvantages of leaving the ACC for the Big 12 and expect to reach a decision by late summer.

Chief among their concerns are travel costs and the prospect of increased revenues resulting from Big 12 membership. Clemson and FSU officials have told the Big 12 that the projected increase of ACC revenues resulting from the addition of Pittsburgh and Syracuse falls short of what Big 12 teams currently receive.

Reportedly Big 12 members receive just over $17 million per team in annual TV rights while the ACC projects TV revenues will increase to $16 per team after Pittsburgh and Syracuse join the conference.

The Big 12 provided Clemson and FSU financial projections with estimates of each member’s share of annual revenues in excess of $35 million per team – more than double ACC projections -- after the tier 1 TV contract is reworked.

The increase in revenues would allow Clemson and FSU to keep up with the spending by their SEC neighbors and in-state rivals.

bet those two are having a little buyer's remorse over not joining the SEC.  if not yet, they will after we renegotiate our tv deals (current contracts have out/renegotiate clauses dealing specifically with conference membership changes) and see what they could have saved on travel.  the sec, for the near future, will always out do any other conference when it comes to tv money. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 12, 2012, 11:32:22 AM
bet those two are having a little buyer's remorse over not joining the SEC.  if not yet, they will after we renegotiate our tv deals (current contracts have out/renegotiate clauses dealing specifically with conference membership changes) and see what they could have saved on travel.  the sec, for the near future, will always out do any other conference when it comes to tv money.

I don't think Clemson and FSU were ever offered due to having SEC teams already in those states? I think it would be a dumb move. Doesn't make any geographical sense and they'd lose a few traditional rivalries. Not only that, but those fans aren't driving to Big 12 country for games. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on February 12, 2012, 12:07:47 PM
Maybe in a few years we can trade tamu & mizu to the Texas League for FSU and Clemson.  Hey....
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 13, 2012, 04:00:01 PM
Takes place in 2013. 16 teams currently but might expand to 24, although I doubt it will involve 24 football teams.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/mwc-c-usa-to-dissolve-form-one-conference/

Air Force (MWC)
Colorado State (MWC)
East Carolina (C-USA)
Fresno State (MWC)
Hawaii (MWC)
Marshall (C-USA)
New Mexico (MWC)
Nevada (MWC)
Rice (C-USA)
Southern Miss (C-USA)
Tulane (C-USA)
Tulsa (C-USA)
UAB (C-USA)
UNLV (MWC)
UTEP (C-USA)
Wyoming (MWC)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogTuba on February 13, 2012, 04:26:57 PM
I rather have kept the Zippin Pippin.

Liberty Land was both the worst and greatest thing in my childhood.  I was surprised as hell when they took it down.

It was like Memphis distilled to a theme park: Sounds like a great idea, but if you actually go to it, you're probably going to get a disease.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogTuba on February 14, 2012, 12:10:47 PM
This assuredly will not buff out:

http://outkickthecoverage.com/the-texas-longhorns-really-are-scared-of-the-sec.php
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on February 14, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
Oof. That's gonna leave a mark. Finally, something of Clay Travis' I can actually read.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: asshat on February 14, 2012, 02:35:18 PM
Texas - all cat
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 15, 2012, 10:21:14 AM
The WAC's commissioner just resigned to take the same gig with the Sun Belt since their commissioner retired. Nothing solid, but I've read rumors of a possible WAC-Sun Belt merger. Can't get any worse for the WAC, I guess. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 22, 2012, 01:03:40 PM
Temple looks to be rejoining the Big East in time for football season. They also have an invite to join the MWC-CUSA alliance. Exciting stuff, I know:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/report-temple-to-big-east-in-2012/
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on February 22, 2012, 01:21:18 PM
Temple looks to be rejoining the Big East in time for football season. They also have an invite to join the MWC-CUSA alliance. Exciting stuff, I know:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/report-temple-to-big-east-in-2012/

back to back posts. a week apart.

Thanks for staying on the upandup, Turd.
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Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 22, 2012, 01:59:08 PM
Big East bringing Temple back is weak sauce.

Didn't they basically kick them out before Va Tech/Miami/BC left and the subsequent Louisville, USF, Cincy (UConn football) run they went on?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on February 22, 2012, 02:49:51 PM
Big East bringing Temple back is weak sauce.

Didn't they basically kick them out before Va Tech/Miami/BC left and the subsequent Louisville, USF, Cincy (UConn football) run they went on?

Yes, but the Big East is desperate to replace Louisville since they look to be leaving for the BigXwhatever
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 22, 2012, 05:30:46 PM
back to back posts. a week apart.

Thanks for staying on the upandup, Turd.

I'm pretty interested on what's going to happen to LA Tech. If they get left out of the MWC/CUSA deal and go instead to the Belt (the WAC isn't long for this world), the fan base will be on suicide watch.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on February 22, 2012, 06:41:08 PM
Hey Turd, your avatars are like Entheogen_Review, except cool.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 22, 2012, 09:22:13 PM
Hey Turd, your avatars are like Entheogen_Review, except cool.

 ???
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 22, 2012, 09:24:11 PM
???

He's saying you don't talk like a fag, and your shit isn't all retarded...


/welcome to Costco, I love you
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on February 22, 2012, 09:31:57 PM
He's saying you don't talk like a turd rancher, and your aMm isn't all retarded...


/welcome to Costco, I love you

There's that fa.g-talk we talked about.  :stache:

Still the greatest intro ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXRjmyJFzrU
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: papermill on February 23, 2012, 03:51:35 AM
There's that fa.g-talk we talked about.  :stache:

Still the greatest intro ever:

That movie isn't a comedy, it's a documentary.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on March 07, 2012, 04:50:42 PM
Exciting news! Temple has officially left for the Big East!

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/mac-confirms-temple-departing-immediately/

They’re baaack.

Seven years after being shown the door for poor performance and attendance, and after getting passed over on more than one occasion during the last few months, the Big East has welcomed back Temple with arms opened wide by the force of desperation.

Well, almost. The MAC confirmed this afternoon that Temple would be leaving the conference immediately, but didn’t offer any more details as to where the Owls were going. Suffice to say, though, Temple’s new home will be in the Big East. A press conference with Big East and Temple representatives is scheduled for a little over an hour from now.

The Temple-to-Big East rumors gained momentum over the past couple of weeks once it became official that West Virginia would be departing for the Big 12 this year, leaving the Big East with just seven football members and as many months to fill another hole in the schedule.

A decision on Temple was reportedly supposed to have been made at the end of last month, but exit terms among the school and its two conferences, the Atlantic 10 and the MAC, appeared to be anything but settled. It wasn’t until University of Houston president Renu Khator tweeted a hint Wednesday morning that the move went from speculatively imminent to actually imminent.

As far as the buyouts are concerned, the MAC confirmed in the release today that Temple will pay $6 million for immediate departure; it was previously reported that the exit terms would be at least $3.5 million. Also, Temple will reportedly pay $1 million to get out of the Atlantic 10 in 2013. In all, it’s expected that the Big East will pay the $7 million to bring the Owls in as an all-sports member, according to Brett McMurphy of CBSSports.

Also, the MAC has announced the divisions will align as follows:

East Division:  Akron, Bowling Green, Buffalo, Kent State, UMass, Miami, Ohio
West Division:  Ball State, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Northern Illinois, Toledo, Western Michigan.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: gambler on March 07, 2012, 05:01:32 PM
Temple's move will change the landscape of college football.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on March 07, 2012, 05:25:46 PM
Ah, nice hustle Big East.
So Memphis is no longer in danger of having the historically losing-est record in your conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on March 27, 2012, 10:20:11 AM
The MWC and C-USA will either merge or remain separate, but "share". 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/18061858/merging-or-sharing-either-way-cusa-and-mwc-working-together

Dissolving is out. Merging is in.

At least, that's the latest development for the potential new league to be formed from the existing teams from Conference USA and the Mountain West.

In February, the two leagues announced they would dissolve and then reform as one league. The main reason for dissolving was to nullify their current television deals and then creating a new conference to maximize their media rights revenue. However, if the leagues dissolved, then they would lose their NCAA tournament units -- teams earn about $250,000 for their conference for each round they advance in the NCAA tournament and that money is distributed to the conferences after a rolling six-year period. Dissolving the leagues would forfeit C-USA and the Mountain West millions of dollars.

So now C-USA and the Mountain West are no longer considering dissolving, but instead college football industry sources told CBSSports.com that the leagues are deciding between two options: merge into one league or remain as separate leagues, but share television, marketing and scheduling resources.

"Both are still viable," a source said. "There's really no clubhouse leader."

Which one will they chose? That ultimately will be decided by the league's presidents based on whichever model (merger or remaining separate) will ultimately produce the most television revenue.

There also are several other factors the leagues must consider. If they merge, that means the new league would receive only one automatic NCAA tournament bid.

If they merge in 2013, they would have -- at least for the moment -- 16 members (East Carolina, Marshall, Rice, Southern Mississippi, Tulane, Tulsa, UAB and Texas-El Paso from C-USA and Air Force, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, UNLV and Wyoming from the MWC). Hawaii would be a football-only member.

However, they have indicated they could grow to as many as 24 schools.

If they decide to stay as separate leagues, then both leagues would likely pursue additional members from other leagues since each conference has lost several members. The leagues still would operate under the same umbrella and share television revenue, marketing resources and also have a scheduling agreement.

Sources told CBSSports.com that league presidents have been divided into five subgroups to discuss the different facets of the potential merger or remaining as separate leagues.

Tulane President Scott Cowen told The Tulane Hullabaloo, the school's newspaper, last week that the leagues are already working on where the new league will be headquartered.

"We have created the formation agreements to form this new entity and we have groups in place that are working on the TV contracts," Cowen told the Hullabaloo. "There's a possibility of adding new members over the 16 schools. We're working on where we'll headquarter the new association, what will be the management of the new association and we're working on marketing and branding of the new association. So our belief is that it's going to happen.

"The contingency plan is that we would just stay in Conference USA and add new members. But I think there's a very high probability that the new association will be formed with at least 16 schools in it, and there is the possibility that we could go up to 24 schools.

"What we're looking for is stability and long-term growth potential of the conference in terms of TV and revenue, so I think this vehicle we're exploring has the promise to deliver that."

Two weeks ago CBSSports.com reported that as many as 11 schools have been in contact with either C-USA or the Mountain West about their interest in the new league.

Those schools, sources said, were: Idaho, Louisiana Tech, New Mexico State, San Jose State, Texas State, Texas-San Antonio and Utah State from the WAC; Florida Atlantic, Florida International and North Texas from the Sun Belt; and Charlotte from the Atlantic 10.

On Friday, FAU President Mary Jane Saunders told FAUOwlAccess.com that the Owls have failed to receive an invitation to join the new league and will remain in the Sun Belt.

"I can tell you we have not been invited to another conference," Saunders told FAUOwlAccess.com. "I think those decisions have already been made. I think it's finished now. ...We're staying in the Sun Belt."

However, sources told CBSSports.com that no invitations to the new league had even been extended because the league's presidents aren't sure if they're merging or remaining separate.
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Post by: Old Man Rimshaw on April 10, 2012, 10:17:47 AM
Georgia State joins Sun Belt

ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia State didn’t have a football team three years ago. Now they’re joining the ranks of the game’s superpowers.

The Panthers accepted an invitation Monday to become a member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2013, when they’ll be playing in the Football Bowl Subdivision.

Panthers coach Bill Curry is excited about the move, but the timing surprised him.

“For us to be able to move this quickly is something I would have never dreamed of,” Curry said.

Georgia State launched its program in 2010 and has played only two seasons in the Football Championship Subdivision. The Panthers are 9-13 under Curry, including 3-8 in 2011.

But this move is about economics, not success on the football field.

“I don’t think we had a choice,” Curry said.

The official invitation was extended to the school by Sun Belt Conference president and Troy University chancellor Jack Hawkins. The Panthers will continue to play in the FCS as a member of the Colonial Athletic Association through 2012.

Georgia State President Mark Becker said dramatic conference realignments across the nation led to a feasibility study to determine if the school was a good fit for a FBS conference. He said the study “showed we would fit nicely” with the Sun Belt.

At that point, it was just a matter of waiting for the invitation.

“When all the arrows pointed to ‘Yes, do this’ then we had to move quickly because if you don’t, you get left in the dirt the way it is these days,” Curry said. “Things move so fast in this world.”

Sun Belt Commissioner Karl Benson said his conference “gets bigger but more importantly gets better” by adding Georgia State.

“Both the Sun Belt and Georgia State are in similar positions with tremendous upside, tremendous potential,” Benson said.

Benson said adding the Atlanta TV market “makes us a more attractive entity and we hope to maximize that in the next set of negotiations” with ESPN.

The move leaves the conference with 11 football schools, “so our goal would be to get to 12,” Benson said.

Georgia State president Mark Becker said he notified CAA commissioner Tom Yeager on Sunday night the school was withdrawing from the conference.

“Georgia State’s withdrawal from the CAA and CAA football is predicated on the university’s desire to reclassify to FBS football which requires membership in an FBS league,” Yeager said in a statement. “We’ve been aware that GSU was having discussions with the Sun Belt Conference as the CAA could not accommodate that desire within GSU’s timeframe. The conference wishes the university well as it pursues these new interests.”

Georgia State will pay a $250,000 buyout to the CAA and a $300,000 entry fee to the Sun Belt.

The school is moving to the Sun Belt in all sports.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Phat_Hawg on April 10, 2012, 11:00:05 AM
Georgia State joins Sun Belt

ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia State didn’t have a football team three years ago. Now they’re joining the ranks of the game’s superpowers.


I would put the Sun Belt at the same level as the Wonder Twins.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: ElvisHog on April 10, 2012, 12:42:29 PM
I would put the Sun Belt at the same level as the Wonder Twins.

Shape of no TV coverage....form of empty stadiums!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/1465810917_e905fabd61_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on April 10, 2012, 12:59:16 PM
Georgia State joins Sun Belt

ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia State didn’t have a football team three years ago. Now they’re joining the ranks of the game’s superpowers.

The Panthers accepted an invitation Monday to become a member of the Sun Belt Conference in 2013, when they’ll be playing in the Football Bowl Subdivision.

Panthers coach Bill Curry is excited about the move, but the timing surprised him.

“For us to be able to move this quickly is something I would have never dreamed of,” Curry said.

Georgia State launched its program in 2010 and has played only two seasons in the Football Championship Subdivision. The Panthers are 9-13 under Curry, including 3-8 in 2011.

But this move is about economics, not success on the football field.

“I don’t think we had a choice,” Curry said.

The official invitation was extended to the school by Sun Belt Conference president and Troy University chancellor Jack Hawkins. The Panthers will continue to play in the FCS as a member of the Colonial Athletic Association through 2012.

Georgia State President Mark Becker said dramatic conference realignments across the nation led to a feasibility study to determine if the school was a good fit for a FBS conference. He said the study “showed we would fit nicely” with the Sun Belt.

At that point, it was just a matter of waiting for the invitation.

“When all the arrows pointed to ‘Yes, do this’ then we had to move quickly because if you don’t, you get left in the dirt the way it is these days,” Curry said. “Things move so fast in this world.”

Sun Belt Commissioner Karl Benson said his conference “gets bigger but more importantly gets better” by adding Georgia State.

“Both the Sun Belt and Georgia State are in similar positions with tremendous upside, tremendous potential,” Benson said.

Benson said adding the Atlanta TV market “makes us a more attractive entity and we hope to maximize that in the next set of negotiations” with ESPN.

The move leaves the conference with 11 football schools, “so our goal would be to get to 12,” Benson said.

Georgia State president Mark Becker said he notified CAA commissioner Tom Yeager on Sunday night the school was withdrawing from the conference.

“Georgia State’s withdrawal from the CAA and CAA football is predicated on the university’s desire to reclassify to FBS football which requires membership in an FBS league,” Yeager said in a statement. “We’ve been aware that GSU was having discussions with the Sun Belt Conference as the CAA could not accommodate that desire within GSU’s timeframe. The conference wishes the university well as it pursues these new interests.”

Georgia State will pay a $250,000 buyout to the CAA and a $300,000 entry fee to the Sun Belt.

The school is moving to the Sun Belt in all sports.
John Bond is the OC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on April 10, 2012, 01:04:20 PM
The Sun Belt realistically has opportunity to double even triple the average attendance at some of these stadiums.


In all seriousness...The Sun Belt realistically has opportunity to double even triple the average attendance at some of these stadiums.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on April 17, 2012, 05:15:50 PM
And the mega-conference of also-rans is scrapped:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/17/report-c-usa-mwc-no-longer-merging/

On second thought, never mind?

Following months of discussions and alterations in plans to someway, somehow, get Conference USA and the Mountain West to either merge or dissolve and reform as one, it appears the two conferences will, in fact, stay separate — for now, anyway.

CBS Sports’ Brett McMurphy reports, citing industry sources, that a merger between the two leagues “probably will not happen“, but that each side is still working to figure out a way to share television, marketing and scheduling resources with the other.

“There is not much talk about a formal merger of the conferences into one conference entity in the near term, but that is still a future consideration,” one source told McMurphy.

The two conferences have been in discussions about how to modify their leagues since last year in the wake of more conference reshuffling and gerrymandering. If the conferences separately dissolved and reformed into one conference, as was the original plan, they could nullify any current TV deals and restructure media rights to maximize revenue.

Earlier this month, “The Mtn”, a TV channel for MWC athletics, announced it would be shutting down.

However, if C-USA and the MWC dissolved, each conference would then lose money from the NCAA tournament because those units are distributed after a six-year period. In other words, it doesn’t appear there was an option where the two conferences married and simply profited to maximum capability.

And, really, that’s what all realignment is about, more or less.

If the conferences stay separate for the immediate future, that doesn’t mean they’ll stay put, though. The Mountain West will have to replenish the spots left by Boise State, San Diego State and TCU; C-USA will have to replace Houston, SMU, Memphis and Central Florida.

Utah State, San Jose State, North Texas, Louisiana Tech and FIU have all been listed as possible replacements. That leaves the possibility that the WAC and the Sun Belt could, for inventory reasons if nothing else, adopt a similar idea to the one that has now fallen though for C-USA and the MWC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Mutual of Omahog on April 17, 2012, 05:20:22 PM
Shape of no TV coverage....form of empty stadiums!

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1235/1465810917_e905fabd61_o.jpg)
This was probably missed by many, but this is solid efforting.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on April 29, 2012, 12:46:39 PM
The WAC is about to be no more.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/18873583

"C-USA adding UTSA in 2013; North Texas, FIU, Louisiana Tech also likely"

Texas San-Antonio will join Conference USA in 2013, pending approval from the University of Texas System Board of Regents on Wednesday to allow the school to accept an invitation, negotiate and finalize terms with the league.

The Roadrunners are one of four teams that C-USA will add for the 2013 season.
Conference USA also is looking to add North Texas and Florida International from the Sun Belt and Louisiana Tech from the WAC, sources told CBSSports.com from last week's BCS meetings in Hollywood, Fla.

The addition of those four schools -- to offset the losses of Memphis, UCF, Houston and Southern Methodist to the Big East -- would give the league 12 members and means Conference USA's merger with the Mountain West would not occur in 2013, as reported by CBSSports.com last week.

The Mountain West also is expected to add Utah State and San Jose State in 2013, sources said. The league, without the C-USA/MWC merger, are required to add at least one school to meet the NCAA's FBS requirements for maintaining eight women's sports and six men's sports, with at least six member schools competing in each sport.

The Roadrunners were scheduled to join the Western Athletic Conference on July 1. Because they never officially began in the league, they will not have to pay an exit fee. They must pay an entrance fee to C-USA of $2 million, according to the UT Regents agenda.

Conference USA contacted UTSA in March to initiate a discussion about the Roadrunners joining the league and school officials visited with C-USA commissioner Britton Banowsky two weeks ago, according to the UT Regents agenda.

RowdyReport.com first reported that UTSA accepting an invitation to C-USA was on the UT Board of Regents' agenda.

Since 1991, Texas San-Antonio's Olympic sports have competed in the Southland Conference. The Roadrunners just completed their first year of football under former Miami coach Larry Coker.

Texas-San Antonio was sought after by Conference USA and the Sun Belt because of UTSA's location and, more importantly, the Roadrunners' record-setting attendance numbers in their first season. UTSA set the NCAA record for a first-year program, averaging 35,521 fans, including 56,743 in its inaugural game.

For North Texas and Florida International, there is no required exit fee to leave the Sun Belt, but they would forfeit less than $500,000 in revenue sharing, industry sources told CBSSports.com.

Sources also said Charlotte remains a possibility to join C-USA as an all-sports member in 2013, but its football program, which will begin play in 2013, would not be able to compete in C-USA until 2015, at the earliest
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on April 30, 2012, 11:27:53 AM



Damn, UTSA pulled a John L. Smith on the WAC there. 

BAM!

Looks like ASU and UALR might be getting a little nervous, as the SBC may lose a couple of schools there to C-USA. 

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: The Satchuation on April 30, 2012, 11:44:58 AM


Damn, UTSA pulled a John L. Smith on the WAC there. 

BAM!

Looks like ASU and UALR might be getting a little nervous, as the SBC may lose a couple of schools there to C-USA.

Texas State will probably end up ditching the WAC as well and replacing North Texas in the SBC. Not sure what their plan would be to replace FIU. Maybe Georgia Southern or Appalachian State moving up from FCS?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on April 30, 2012, 11:51:23 AM
I'm hoping LA Tech finally gets that C-USA invite. I know it's not what it used to be (decent mid-major conference), but there will be a massive meltdown among the fan base if they wind up having to go to the Sun Belt. Idaho & NM State are screwed (unless they get invited to the Sun Belt). 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogtired on April 30, 2012, 12:04:39 PM
Hate to be spewing hate but I really don't care.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on May 04, 2012, 05:12:53 PM
Happy for LA Tech finally getting into C-USA, although it's a much crappier version of the C-USA than it used to be. FIU, UNT, UT-San Antonio, and UNC-Charlotte got in as well. The WAC is down to two schools--NM State & Idaho.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/conference-usa-officially-adds-five/
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on May 04, 2012, 07:17:31 PM
Hate to be spewing hate but I really don't care.

You shouldn't be here.  You need to be in the "Conference Chaos/Rumblings and I just don't care"  thread.

Its two doors down
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Wooisme on May 06, 2012, 07:21:34 AM
Happy for LA Tech finally getting into C-USA, although it's a much crappier version of the C-USA than it used to be. FIU, UNT, UT-San Antonio, and UNC-Charlotte got in as well. The WAC is down to two schools--NM State & Idaho.  http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/04/conference-usa-officially-adds-five/

THIS (Teh WAC) is where Hapless needs to end his career.  He could finish last and runner-up in the same year.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on May 06, 2012, 09:35:39 AM
THIS (Teh WAC) is where Hapless needs to end his career.  He could finish last and runner-up in the same year.   :thumbup:

Every year is a rebuilding year, and every year they get 2nd place rings.

"It was a tough year, but we were so close"
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hardpork on May 06, 2012, 07:14:05 PM
It looks sort of like ASU is backing their way into the Southland Conference. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on May 06, 2012, 07:36:09 PM
Some, like some guy that runs a Baylor board, are still saying that the Big 12 is still going to raid the ACC.  Teams like Clemson and FSU are usual suspects.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on May 06, 2012, 07:42:35 PM
It looks sort of like ASU is backing their way into the Southland Conference.

Why would they leave the Sun Belt to move down a level? Or is this  :sarcasm: ?

As for Clemson & FSU leaving ACC, that would be stupid on their part. I don't see what they would have to gain and they would lose all of their traditional rivalries (at least for Clemson--I don't keep up with FSU at all).
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on May 12, 2012, 07:27:00 PM
Despite the FSU AD's statement about no contact with the Big XII the other day, today both the FSU BOT chairman and Jimbo Fisher ranted on the current ACC contract and pushed to explore the Big XII option.

This ACC commissioner may be swapping stories with Beebe on the golf course before long.  Awful TV contract.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on May 12, 2012, 09:51:15 PM
Despite the FSU AD's statement about no contact with the Big XII the other day, today both the FSU BOT chairman and Jimbo Fisher ranted on the current ACC contract and pushed to explore the Big XII option.

This ACC commissioner may be swapping stories with Beebe on the golf course before long.  Awful TV contract.
 

That contract was all about taking care of the basketball schools and telling the football schools that they don't matter. FSU, Clemson and VaTech SHOULD be pissed.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hardpork on May 13, 2012, 01:35:25 PM
Why would they leave the Sun Belt to move down a level? Or is this  :sarcasm: ?

You guessed it.  ASU and all its former Southland Conference brethern will be in the revamped Sun Belt.
Should help the won/loss records.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on October 19, 2012, 06:38:48 PM
Just when you thought it couldn't get any crazier, the Cougs are headed to the Colonial. I hate the move. College of Chas v Davidson has been a good rivalry

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-caa-charleston-20121019,0,3951700.story

The College of Charleston's Board of Trustees voted Friday to begin negotiations with the Colonial Athletic Association for full membership.

Charleston didn't vote to leave the Southern Conference, its present home, only to talk to CAA officials about costs and concerns in leaving one conference for another. A membership vote would come at an undetermined future date.

"Obviously, we're thrilled that they have an interest in the CAA," Commissioner Tom Yeager said, "and we look forward to working with President (George) Benson to address any issues and bring the process to a conclusion as quickly as we can."
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on October 19, 2012, 06:44:41 PM
Just when you thought it couldn't get any crazier, the Cougs are headed to the Colonial. I hate the move. College of Chas v Davidson has been a good rivalry

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-caa-charleston-20121019,0,3951700.story

The College of Charleston's Board of Trustees voted Friday to begin negotiations with the Colonial Athletic Association for full membership.

Charleston didn't vote to leave the Southern Conference, its present home, only to talk to CAA officials about costs and concerns in leaving one conference for another. A membership vote would come at an undetermined future date.

"Obviously, we're thrilled that they have an interest in the CAA," Commissioner Tom Yeager said, "and we look forward to working with President (George) Benson to address any issues and bring the process to a conclusion as quickly as we can."

Lulz, you thought people in Charleston could resist something with the word "Colonial" in it?  What's next, mosquitoes with an aversion to blood?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 17, 2012, 05:02:39 PM
Maryland and Rutgers to the Big 10 per twitter.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TC on November 17, 2012, 06:09:31 PM
Maryland and Rutgers to the Big 10 per twitter.

Isn't it 50 million bucks to buy their way out?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Zoso on November 17, 2012, 06:43:52 PM
Isn't it 50 million bucks to buy their way out?

Maybe they could borrow Longwood's endowment.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on November 17, 2012, 07:24:06 PM
If Maryland leaves the ACC will they move to replace them with Louisville?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: BASS on November 17, 2012, 08:40:46 PM
Isn't it 50 million bucks to buy their way out?

acc teams voted to raise exit fee to $50m after the expansion last year, 2 schools voted against it, maryland was one of 'em.  my guess is they'll file a lawsuit claiming the exit fee they did not agree with or vote for is basically extortion.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: El Hogarado on November 17, 2012, 09:41:03 PM
If Maryland leaves the ACC will they move to replace them with Louisville?

UConn.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on November 19, 2012, 11:15:29 AM
How awfully does Maryland fit into the Big 10?

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on November 19, 2012, 11:22:42 AM
How awfully does Maryland fit into the Big 10?

About as well as West Virginia fits in the Texas League.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on November 19, 2012, 12:28:59 PM
Kind of like Mizzou in the SEC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on November 19, 2012, 02:33:02 PM
Why would Maryland want to go to the Big 10+2?  Does the Big 10 make that much more money than the ACC?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: notaslibro on November 19, 2012, 02:38:14 PM
Why would Maryland want to go to the Big 10+2?  Does the Big 10 make that much more money than the ACC?

The ACC may not exist in a few years.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: GuinnessHog on November 19, 2012, 02:44:10 PM
The ACC may not exist in a few years.



Are you saying the glacier caps will melt and the Atlantic will erase what we know as the Atlantic coast?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on November 19, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
Are you saying the glacier caps will melt and the Atlantic will erase what we know as the Atlantic coast?

If it would take the Pacific Coast with it that would be REALLY great. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: notaslibro on November 19, 2012, 02:47:25 PM
Are you saying the glacier caps will melt and the Atlantic will erase what we know as the Atlantic coast?

I'm saying that they might form a looser affiliation than an actual conference.  A caucus, maybe.  Or a gang.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on November 19, 2012, 02:53:19 PM
I'm saying that they might form a looser affiliation than an actual conference.  A caucus, maybe.  Or a gang.

What are you saying?  Notre Dame is now somewhat a member. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 19, 2012, 03:02:45 PM
Why would Maryland want to go to the Big 10+2?  Does the Big 10 make that much more money than the ACC?
Yes.

Maryland is broke and needs the money.

If they can get around that $50 mil exit fee, Florida State bolts to the Big XII with possibly Louisville joining them.
If SEC wants to join the feast, NC State, Va Tech follow suit.

At that point, anyone football relevant that is left in the Big East may as well kiss up to the ACC and hope that league can retain any of its previous status at all (for football).
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: PorkRyan on November 19, 2012, 03:26:14 PM
Here is the financial breakdown on why Maryland is leaving. 

SIPeteThamel
BREAKING: @SInow obtains MD projected financial #s for B10 move. Will make nealy $100 million more by 2020

Here's how the financial payout per school breaks down for upcoming years, according to the information Delany relayed to Maryland officials: The school will make $32 million in 2014, $33 million in 2015, $34.5 million in 2016 and then $43 million in 2017.

Those numbers continue to steadily climb, as the Big Ten payout projects to jump to $44 million in 2018 and $45 million in 2019.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 27, 2012, 11:34:34 AM
Tulane is joining the Big East in all sports.

"The Big East is seeking a new television contract and stressing its national reach and presence in large markets such as Philadelphia and Dallas and soon New Orleans."

Chris Peterson has to be jumping for joy about that shit.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: shortstop6 on November 27, 2012, 11:37:41 AM
Tulane is joining the Big East in all sports.

"The Big East is seeking a new television contract and stressing its national reach and presence in large markets such as Philadelphia and Dallas and soon New Orleans."

Chris Peterson has to be jumping for joy about that shit.

That's a sweet 1700 mile roadie to make every other year.  French Quarter, baby!
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: notaslibro on November 27, 2012, 11:58:00 AM
That's a sweet 1700 mile roadie to make every other year.  French Quarter, baby!


What are all these black people doing here?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TomTHog on November 27, 2012, 02:45:17 PM
http://www.sportspickle.com/opinion/14800/application-for-big-east-membership
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: VegasHog on November 28, 2012, 09:19:04 AM
Louisville to the ACC in 2014.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on November 28, 2012, 09:24:32 AM
Louisville to the ACC in 2014.

Thought they would go for UCONN? I suppose they could try to be the first of the big conferences to go to 16 teams.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: raisinsnacks on November 28, 2012, 10:55:06 AM
I was about to LOL @ our Red Wolf friends for MTSU getting an invite to C-USA before they did (MTSU->CUSA, BTW). But then I did the wikipedia thing to compare the schools.

stAte has an endowment of $9,642,516! $9,642,516! Out endowment is over 100 times bigger!  MTSU's is $59mm! UCA has $46mm! UAFS, f-ing UAFS has $40mm!


UAFS to C-USA?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on November 28, 2012, 11:00:43 AM
UAFS to C-USA?


UAFS can't get into the GAC with the other D-II Arkansas schools because UAFS doesn't have football.  I think that'll cut short their chances of getting into C-USA. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: raisinsnacks on November 28, 2012, 11:10:46 AM

UAFS can't get into the GAC with the other D-II Arkansas schools because UAFS doesn't have football.  I think that'll cut short their chances of getting into C-USA.

Okay, an Arkansas platoon. stAte is football-only, UAFS for other sports, UAPB for bowling, Hendrix for lesbian bass fishing.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: JoeBobHog on November 28, 2012, 02:56:33 PM

 Hendrix for lesbian bass fishing.


if this is real, that is fucking awesome.



 :notexas:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: El Hogarado on December 13, 2012, 09:00:09 AM
The seven Catholic basketball schools may just up and leave the Big East or vote to dissolve the league. Death is on the doorstep. UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida don't have anywhere to go, except maybe CUSA.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on December 13, 2012, 09:14:31 AM
The seven Catholic basketball schools may just up and leave the Big East or vote to dissolve the league. Death is on the doorstep. UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida don't have anywhere to go, except maybe CUSA.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say)

Unless the "16-team-uber conference" talk picks up again, I think UC and USF are SOL. UCONN might still end up ACC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on December 13, 2012, 09:17:45 AM
The seven Catholic basketball schools may just up and leave the Big East or vote to dissolve the league. Death is on the doorstep. UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida don't have anywhere to go, except maybe CUSA.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say)

Memphis said, "What about me damn it!"
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: El Hogarado on December 13, 2012, 09:22:20 AM
Unless the "16-team-uber conference" talk picks up again, I think UC and USF are SOL. UCONN might still end up ACC.

Yeah, and then I wonder if the super conference teams will really leave the NCAA. That seems more of a possibility in the next decade or two than ever before.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on December 13, 2012, 09:28:16 AM
THE ISLAND OF MISFIT TEAMS CONFERENCE

WEST
--------
SMU
LaTech
ArkSt
Memphis
Southern Miss
UAB

EAST
------
WKU
Cincy
UCF
USF
Temple
UCONN
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on December 15, 2012, 04:09:47 PM
The seven Catholic basketball schools may just up and leave the Big East or vote to dissolve the league. Death is on the doorstep. UConn, Cincinnati, and South Florida don't have anywhere to go, except maybe CUSA.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8742607/seven-catholic-schools-leaning-leaving-big-east-sources-say)


They voted today to leave, thus essentially turning the Big East into a reorganized Conference USA Part Deux. 

''Earlier today we voted unanimously to pursue an orderly evolution to a foundation of basketball schools that honors the history and tradition on which the Big East was established,'' the statement said. ''Under the context of conference realignment, we believe pursuing a new basketball framework that builds on this tradition of excellence and competition is the best way forward.'' (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/7-schools-leaving-big-east-193153916--ncaaf.html)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogTat on December 15, 2012, 04:34:25 PM
If it would take the Pacific Coast with it that would be REALLY great. :thumbup:

Hey now!  I live out here!
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hawginthecovers on December 16, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
THE ISLAND OF MISFIT TEAMS CONFERENCE

WEST
--------
SMU
LaTech
ArkSt
Memphis
Southern Miss
UAB

EAST
------
WKU
Cincy
UCF
USF
Temple
UCONN

Tulsa would fit nicely.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on January 01, 2013, 09:52:12 PM
THE ISLAND OF MISFIT TEAMS CONFERENCE

WEST
--------
SMU
LaTech
ArkSt
Memphis
Southern Miss
UAB

EAST
------
WKU
Cincy
UCF
USF
Temple
UCONN

I saw this floated earlier today and it's not bad all things considered:
East
 Cincinnati
 Connecticut
 East Carolina
 Temple
 UCF
 USF
 
West
 Houston
 Memphis
 SMU
 Southern Mississippi
 Tulane
 Tulsa
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on January 01, 2013, 09:55:39 PM
Boise tells the Big East to fuck yo conference and decides to stay put in the Mtn West.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hoggadore on January 04, 2013, 06:50:31 AM
Boise tells the Big East to fuck yo conference and decides to stay put in the Mtn West.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mwest/2012/12/31/boise-state-mountain-west-big-east-analysis/1801707/

Quote
The details of the MWC's restructured television deal essentially guarantee that Boise gets by far the best national exposure, and potentially $2-3 million more per year in television revenue than other league schools. The key is that Boise State's home games will be sold as a separate package outside the league's primary deal with CBS Sports Network. The revenue will go to the conference, but the conference will pay bonuses to teams that appear on national networks of $300,000 for weekday games and $500,000 for Saturday games.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that Boise is going to get that bonus several more times per year than, say, Wyoming or Utah State.

But the capper – and this wasn't in anyone's official press releases – is that Boise negotiated a 50-50 split between the school and conference of all revenue from future BCS/playoff bowl games, according to a San Diego Union-Tribune report that was confirmed by MWC associate commissioner Javan Hedlund. It's a significant departure from the way leagues typically do business, pooling all their bowl revenue and splitting it evenly among the members.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on January 04, 2013, 07:29:48 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/mwest/2012/12/31/boise-state-mountain-west-big-east-analysis/1801707/
 

Damn. Boise St. is pillaging that bitch.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on January 04, 2013, 09:04:26 AM
Gotta think Chris Petersen pushed them to stay.  May have used a few job openings as leverage.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: jack_beene on January 04, 2013, 09:58:53 PM
 

Damn. Boise St. is pillaging that bitch.

They're becoming the Texas of small conference football.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on January 16, 2013, 06:20:45 PM
The Big East takes it in the shorts again.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/san-diego-state-to-remain-a-member-of-the-mwc/

Another Big East member has left, and for the third time in two years, one has done so before ever playing a single game in the conference.

Following up on what’s been speculated for the past several weeks, San Diego State and the Mountain West confirmed Wednesday afternoon that the Aztecs would remain in the league instead of moving to the Big East on July 1 like the university had been planning. The news comes just over two weeks after Boise State it announced it would stay in the MWC as well and not leave for the Big East.

“San Diego State University is pleased to be continuing as a full member of the Mountain West Conference,” said SDSU President Dr. Elliot Hirshman in a release. “We are excited about the opportunities our partnership provides for the development of the Conference and San Diego State University’s athletic programs.”

SDSU needed three-fourths approval from the conference’s presidents to return to the league.

“As a charter member of the Mountain West, San Diego State has decades of history and tremendous competitive rivalries with our member institutions,” said MWC commissioner Craig Thompson. “With today’s announcement, SDSU’s membership continues uninterrupted and helps the Mountain West maintain a solid foundation going forward. The Aztecs remain a perfect fit geographically and provide the Conference with a highly-competitive athletics program that includes a Top 25 men’s basketball team, a 2012 MW tri-champion in football and several other league championship programs.”

Because of Boise State’s decision to stay in the MWC, SDSU will not have to pay an exit fee to stay in the league.

As of July 1, the Mountain West will be made up of 11 all-sport members and 12 football-only members They are: Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, Hawai‘i (football only), Nevada, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV and Wyoming. Exactly what the MWC’s new divisions will look like isn’t known yet, but the Idaho Statesman takes an educated guess.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on January 16, 2013, 06:34:05 PM
The MWC is quickly becoming the new Big Ten...in that at least nine of its members are completely worthless. Still better than joining the BIG YEAST.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on January 20, 2013, 12:19:12 PM
This could all be bullshit, but these types of articles were out there on the fringe before the Rutgers/MD deal.  This and a few other twitters and boards are claiming a UNC/Duke to the SEC, with the Big 10 adding two more.

The Big 12 is supposed to pick up the pieces of the ACC to get to 16 also.

http://www.eersauthority.com/big-10-and-sec-race-to-add-acc-schools/
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on January 29, 2013, 12:25:05 PM
The latest hot twitter rumour is an ACC/Big 12 merger of some kind. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on January 29, 2013, 12:26:37 PM
http://www.mrsec.com/2013/01/with-expansion-talk-heating-up-here-are-four-best-case-scenarios-for-the-sec/
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on January 30, 2013, 09:05:06 PM
Allegedly the SEC has also had conversations with the Big 12 about creating some kind of scheduling alliance.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/01/sec_and_big_12_have_had_limite.html#incart_flyout_sports

My guess is that this would work best after a Big 12/ACC merger of sorts.  I wonder who we would get.  Obviously Texas would probably get A&M.  I'd be ok with OU or OSU.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on February 05, 2013, 01:31:09 PM
If you enjoy following this stuff, here's a good guy to follow on Twitter.  He's gone all in today saying UVA and GaTech are going B1G.

https://twitter.com/theDudeofWV

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on March 04, 2013, 10:38:42 PM
West Virginia has figured out that they are a long damn ways from all of their new conference "rivals".   :maundoed:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/west-virginia-moved-conference-region-complains-travel-issues-171404871--ncaaf.html
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on March 05, 2013, 10:22:46 AM
The travel issues are going to be the downfall of many of these cobbled together conferences.   Folks like their natural rivalries. All of this is driven to maintain eligibility for BCS and tournament eligibility.  I think the next step will be for the big schools to exit the NCAA and start something else.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: RazorbackDad on March 05, 2013, 11:20:54 AM
Sounds like West Virginny got caught up in TexasThink.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogofWar on March 05, 2013, 11:25:45 AM
West Virginia has figured out that they are a long damn ways from all of their new conference "rivals".   :maundoed:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/west-virginia-moved-conference-region-complains-travel-issues-171404871--ncaaf.html

Just wait till the Texass secedes and becomes their own country. West Virginia is going to have to apply for Visas and bring their passports! ::)

That will come at them so fast!

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 08, 2013, 04:45:16 PM


The Big East and its seven Catholic members officially parted ways today after reaching a settlement as to the terms of their exit.

The Catholic schools get to keep the Big East name, but I'd rather have seen them become The Parochial League. 

The split that’s been rumored to be on the horizon is now official, as the Big East Conference released a statement on Friday announcing that the two groups reached an agreement.

As a result of the move the schools originally dubbed the “Catholic 7″ will become the Big East on July 1, 2013.
 (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/big-east-issues-statement-announcing-official-separation-of-catholic-7/related/)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 20, 2013, 11:15:46 AM

The Big East and its seven Catholic members officially parted ways today after reaching a settlement as to the terms of their exit.

The Catholic schools get to keep the Big East name, but I'd rather have seen them become The Parochial League. 

The split that’s been rumored to be on the horizon is now official, as the Big East Conference released a statement on Friday announcing that the two groups reached an agreement.

As a result of the move the schools originally dubbed the “Catholic 7″ will become the Big East on July 1, 2013.
 (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/08/big-east-issues-statement-announcing-official-separation-of-catholic-7/related/)


The Big East is now the Catholic 9 + 1, as Catholic colleges Xavier and Creighton are joining along with non-Catholic Butler. 

That's going to be a pretty salty basketball conference. 


Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on March 20, 2013, 12:06:08 PM
I expect Dayton and Saint Louis to join up next.

That's going to still be a stout league.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 20, 2013, 12:11:46 PM
I expect Dayton and Saint Louis to join up next.

That's going to still be a stout league.


More Catholic schools.  How did Butler sneak in there?

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on March 20, 2013, 12:50:40 PM

More Catholic schools.  How did Butler sneak in there?

They said 10 Hail Marys and reciting the Rosary before each game.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on March 26, 2013, 12:02:38 PM
BMFP vs. PWTFP, possibly as early as 2014.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/26/idaho-nmsu-next-up-as-sun-belt-additions/

Yesterday brought multiple reports that Appalachian State and Georgia Southern will be shedding their FCS labels for Sun Belt membership, with speculation shifting to when a pair of erstwhile WAC members would jump to the same conference.

Rest easy, America.  That question has been answered.

First reported by CBSSports.com’s Dennis Dodd and confirmed by ESPN.com’s Brett McMurphy, Idaho and New Mexico State will join the Sun Belt Conference as football-only members beginning in 2014.  An official announcement from the schools and their new league is expected to be made as early as Thursday.

An announcement on Appalachian State and Georgia Southern is expected Wednesday.

Idaho and New Mexico State were left without a conference home as the WAC disbanded as a league football-wise following the 2012 season and thanks to myriad departures.  Both programs will play as football independents in 2013 before joining forces with the Sun Belt the following season.

The four additions will give the Sun Belt 12 football-playing members (for now) beginning in 2014, with just six of those — Arkansas State, Louisiana-Lafayette, Louisiana-Monroe, South Alabama, Troy and Western Kentucky — being current members.  Along with the four previously-mentioned schools in 2014, Georgia State and Texas State will join in 2013.  UT-San Antonio will join as a non-football member this year as well.

FIU, FAU, Middle Tennessee and North Texas are officially leaving the Sun Belt for Conference USA in July.

Once all of the expansion dust settles — if it actually settles — the Sun Belt is expected to conduct a conference championship game.  Dodd reported that the game will be an on-campus affair.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 26, 2013, 12:19:57 PM


What goes around comes around.

Idaho was a football-only member of the SBC from 2001-2005 and New Mexico State was a full SBC member during that same time span.

Georgia State was a founding member of the conference in 1976 but left in 1981.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on March 26, 2013, 12:50:17 PM
nm
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on March 26, 2013, 09:54:20 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/26/report-tulsa-to-jump-from-conference-usa-to-big-east/


Long rumored to be the next Conference USA member to move to the Conference Formerly Known as the Big East, Tulsa is on the verge of doing just that.

Following up on speculation that began gaining momentum in January, ESPN.com reports that Tulsa will indeed join the soon-to-be-renamed Big East.  An official thumbs-up vote from that conference is said to be “imminent,” with an announcement of Tulsa’s addition for 2014 coming by next week.

This report comes over two months after Tulsa World wrote that “[t]he university’s switch from Conference USA membership to Big East Conference membership seems to have graduated from a possibility to a likelihood.”  It was reported in late January that the lone holdup for Tulsa’s move was the finalization of a new television contract for “the Big East”; that hurdle was cleared last week.

Barring an unexpected development, Tulsa would give “the Big East” 11 members for the 2014 season – Cincinnati, East Carolina, Houston, Memphis, SMU, Temple, Tulane, UCF, UConn and USF — with that number going to 12 with Navy’s arrival in 2015.  Of those, nine would be former members of Conference USA, the lone exceptions being Navy, Temple and UConn.

It also means that Conference USA could be in the market for another member.  Houston, Memphis, SMU and UCF are all leaving that league this year, to be joined by East Carolina and Tulane in 2014.  That would leave Conference USA with an uneven 13 members (I think): former WAC schools Louisiana Tech and UT-San Antonio; former Sun Belt schools FAU, FIU, Middle Tennessee State and North Texas; Old Dominion and UNC-Charlotte, moving up from the FCS level; and current members Marshall, Rice, Southern Miss, UAB and UTEP.

So, just where would Conference USA look to get back to an even number of members?  The Sun Belt Conference, probably.  Of course, that conference is expected to announce the additions of four new members over the next couple of days, additions that would get it to 12 members and allow it to hold a league championship game.

Yep, conference expansion is a tremendous ongoing development for the game of college football.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Turd F. on March 30, 2013, 07:39:18 PM
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/30/report-wku-to-join-conference-usa-as-well/

The Sun Belt announced this past week it would be adding four new programs – Appalachian State and Georgia Southern as all-sport members, and Idaho and New Mexico State as football-only members — to begin competing in 2014. The additions will give the SBC 12 football members, enough for a conference championship game.

Provided the following is true, it looks like the Sun Belt will have to look (again) for one more school to get back to 12. The Bowling Green Daily News reports that Western Kentucky has received and accepted an invite to join Conference USA. The South Florida Sun-Sentinel confirmed the move as well. An official announcement is expected to come as soon as Monday.

Tulsa, a “current” C-USA member, is expected to announce sometime this week it will join the soon-to-be-renamed Big East. Provided that move comes to fruition — this news would obviously indicate as such — C-USA would then have an uneven 13 members. WKU would bring C-USA back up to 14.

Assuming our realignment spreadsheet is correct, the new C-USA will feature the following schools: former Sun Belt members FAU, FIU, North Texas and Middle Tennessee;  former WAC schools Louisiana Tech and UT-San Antonio; new members Old Dominion and Charlotte; and current members Marshall, Rice, Southern Mississippi, UAB and Texas-El Paso.

As for the Sun Belt, Brett McMurphy of ESPN.com reports that Liberty and James Madison, both of the 1-AA ranks, are the leading candidates to replace WKU. Because why the hell not, right?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: WPFM on April 02, 2013, 11:43:23 PM
Tulsa announces move to Big East

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/TU_announces_move_to_Big_East/20130402_94_0_Isofca989957

Beginning with the 2014-15 academic year, the Conference will consist of the University of Central Florida, the University of Cincinnati, the University of Connecticut, East Carolina University, the University of Houston, the University of Memphis, Southern Methodist University, the University of South Florida, Temple University, Tulane University and the University of Tulsa. The U.S. Naval Academy will become a football-only member in 2015.

TU becomes the seventh current member of Conference USA to accept a Big East membership invitation. The others are Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, East Carolina and Central Florida.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Old Dirty Boarstard on April 03, 2013, 01:55:39 AM
Tulsa announces move to Big East

http://www.tulsaworld.com/article.aspx/TU_announces_move_to_Big_East/20130402_94_0_Isofca989957

Beginning with the 2014-15 academic year, the Conference will consist of the University of Central Florida, the University of Cincinnati, the University of Connecticut, East Carolina University, the University of Houston, the University of Memphis, Southern Methodist University, the University of South Florida, Temple University, Tulane University and the University of Tulsa. The U.S. Naval Academy will become a football-only member in 2015.

TU becomes the seventh current member of Conference USA to accept a Big East membership invitation. The others are Memphis, SMU, Houston, Tulane, East Carolina and Central Florida.


SMU, Houston in the Big East and UT Arlington, UTSA and Texas State are in the WAC
Tulane in the Big East and La Tech in the WAC

(http://www.stopmyheadexploding.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/scanners4.jpeg)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: jack_beene on April 03, 2013, 12:16:07 PM
So is Conference USA the only one left with an appropriate name?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hognarok on December 03, 2013, 09:59:27 AM
With the end of the regular season and Arkansas not bowling, it's time for the now yearly tradition of figuring out which teams are going to which conferences.  Here is CBS Sports (2 year old) breakdown:

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2014
ACC

Welcome: Louisville will finally escape the smoldering wreckage of the American, overcoming its, well, not-Duke academic reputation to land the coveted ACC invitation over rivals like UConn and Cincinnati. The move will keep the ACC at 14 teams and two seven-team divisions despite ...

Farewell: ... charter member Maryland ending its 59-year relationship with the ACC and heading to the Big Ten.

Big Ten

Welcome: Months after the announcement, it still qualifies as the single most stunning decision of the entire current era of conference realignment -- Jim Delany and Co. really have added Maryland and Rutgers. Despite some early speculation the pair might be able to bid their current conferences goodbye as soon as this fall, the Scarlet Knights and Terps will reportedly join the Big Ten's East division starting in 2014.

Farewell: Right, like anyone's angling to leave one of the nation's two or three richest conferences in an era when -- as Maryland's and the Big Ten's decision proves -- it's clear money matters above all.

Big East American Athletic Conference

Welcome: Three more C-USA ladder-climbers in Tulsa, Tulane and East Carolina. Along with 2013's set of four, at this point the American will have absorbed 7 out of 12 teams from the 2012 C-USA in a span of just two years.

Farewell: Rutgers, for one, the last of the Old Big East's eight charter football members to leave the conference. (Temple returned to the fold in 2012 after a few years in imposed exile. But with the Scarlet Knights' exit, there will be no team in 2014 that will have played in every Big East/AAC football season.) They'll be joined by Louisville, arguably the last team separating the league from simply being a better-compensated ...

Conference USA

Welcome: Say hello to Western Kentucky, another Sun Belt refugee, and FCS-to-FBS transitioner Old Dominion. Like South Alabama in the 2012 Sun Belt, the Monarchs will play a full C-USA schedule and be eligible for the league title, but will not be allowed to play in a bowl game.

Farewell: Tulane, Tulsa and East Carolina, all off to the American. In addition to robbing C-USA of not one but two chromatic forces of nature, those losses -- three down from 14, plus two up -- will leave the league at an awkward 13 schools for 2014. Charlotte's start-up program is slated to join the FBS and C-USA in 2015, but assuming it's not feasible to shoot for 2014 instead, could the league look to poach another Sun Belt school for 2014, then a second (or FCS school) for 16 the following season?

Sun Belt

Welcome: Four new members, or -- more accurately -- two new ones and two reacquainted old friends. The SBC will bring New Mexico State and Idaho in from the independent cold, returning them to the league each belonged to in the early 2000s before leaving for the WAC. The Sun Belt will also adopt current FCS powers Georgia Southern and Appalachian State.

Farewell: To the aforementioned WKU Hilltoppers, though the league may be wary of another raid from C-USA between now and then

tl:dr:
Louisville to the ACC
Maryland and Rutgers to the Big 10
Tulane, Tulsa and East Carolina to the AAC
WKU to Conference USA
New Mexico St., Idaho, Georgia Southern and App. St. to the Sun Belt

Here is a nifty timeline/guide showing conference realignment since 1965:

http://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2013/11/30/football-conferences/
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: notaslibro on May 11, 2016, 03:47:07 PM
Friends in low, low places. (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/11/garth-brooks-says-arkansas-would-make-sense-big-12/)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Arkansas Proud on May 11, 2016, 04:30:13 PM
Friends in low, low places. (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/11/garth-brooks-says-arkansas-would-make-sense-big-12/)

Drunk post

Trust me, I know them.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on May 11, 2016, 04:38:59 PM
Friends in low, low places. (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2016/may/11/garth-brooks-says-arkansas-would-make-sense-big-12/)

NO, NEIN, NYET, NON, PU SHI, LAA, JO, NEGATORY, UNH-UH, FAHGEDABOUDIT.

Don't need to go slumming in the Texas League
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on May 11, 2016, 05:29:37 PM
Never. Because Texass is gonna Texass. We're much better off where we are at now.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on May 11, 2016, 06:00:28 PM
The American should try to land Kansas,Ksu, Tcu, and West Virginia

Big 10 to land Ou, Osu

Pac 12 to land Texas and Baylor

TEXAS Tech and Iowa State to MWC
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on May 11, 2016, 09:10:22 PM
The American should try to land Kansas,Ksu, Tcu, and West Virginia

Big 10 to land Ou, Osu

Pac 12 to land Texas and Baylor

TEXAS Tech and Iowa State to MWC
 

The Pac12 will never take Baylor and the BigWhatever would never take OSU.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on May 11, 2016, 09:34:43 PM
OU and OSU are going to be the new big dicks of the BigXII once Texas bolts for the Big Ten.

No one's going to want OU or OSU
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on May 11, 2016, 10:47:55 PM
They'll just add to 16 if Texas bolts.

TCU, Baylor, Houston,Texas Tech, OU, OSU, Kansas, Kansas St.

ISU, WVU, Cincy, Memphis, UCF,  and three of these (ECU, Temple, USF, Tulane, UConn)

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Joe Swine on May 11, 2016, 11:07:43 PM
Big 12 wanted ASU until Jerry Jones paid Auburn to take Gus.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on May 12, 2016, 01:01:59 AM
Baylor is fucked, had har!  The Baptists won't be welcome in several of the conferences like the Pac12 or Big 10 due to perceived issues with dancing.  Ken Starr's bumbling sheltering of sex predators will be the nail.  Eat shit Grant Teaff. 

I think with the issues of paying players, we could see a new classification that segregates perhaps 30-36 schools into an elite league; giving the NFL a more set develpmental league.  The TV money would be huge. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on May 12, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
Garth Brooks is simply another Okie football fan who has finally decided to accept the reality that Oklahoma football in general is in a really tight spot and is now verbalizing it out.
The Sooners and Okie State are hostages to the whims of the University of Texas, who is hostage to no one.  Texas has a bunch of money to collect from ESPN and LHN on a backloaded contract - they can rule the Big 12 if they wish or go independent and make even MORE money possibly.  Texas is in the driver's seat and can do whatever they wish. 

Oklahoma has never had an invitation to the SEC, no matter what they invent in their heads.  It makes absolutely no sense and in the final analysis, adding Missouri did exactly what the SEC needed - metro TV numbers and a breather team for the established SEC programs.  It also was a stroke of genius because it geographically blocked the Big 10 from moving in that direction as their charter supposedly requires bordering add ons.

If the SEC ever moved to 2 more teams, Oklahoma STILL wouldn't be the play for them - it would be up the Atlantic coast.  They're not going to be invited in to the Pac 12 and unless Nebraska wants to do them a huge favor and somehow angle them in to the Big 10, even past the whole geography problem, they don't fit that well up there either.  They are literally stuck sucking on Texas' ass like a mid range call girl who tries to maintain an illusion of being a real girlfriend to a rich old guy while everyone else knows that she's still being ordered to give blowjobs to his buddies in the back of the kitchen. 

I'll always feel that Notre Dame did themselves a long term disservice not entering in to the Big 10 but it's a moot point now anyway as it was recently reported that they signed an agreement with the ACC promising them first dibs if they ever joined a conference in football.

Arkansas has not won the SEC and won't be considered a "real" SEC team until we do finally win a conference championship but we're still infinitely better off dealing with the cartel of Alabama and Florida and UGA power than we are getting drawn in to Oklahoma's situation.   

Oklahoma needs to worry about luring BYU, Boise, Houston and the Arkansas School for the Deaf in to their sad situation. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on May 12, 2016, 10:03:09 AM
Garth Brooks is simply another Okie football fan who has finally decided to accept the reality that Oklahoma football in general is in a really tight spot and is now verbalizing it out.
The Sooners and Okie State are hostages to the whims of the University of Texas, who is hostage to no one.  Texas has a bunch of money to collect from ESPN and LHN on a backloaded contract - they can rule the Big 12 if they wish or go independent and make even MORE money possibly.  Texas is in the driver's seat and can do whatever they wish. 

Oklahoma has never had an invitation to the SEC, no matter what they invent in their heads.  It makes absolutely no sense and in the final analysis, adding Missouri did exactly what the SEC needed - metro TV numbers and a breather team for the established SEC programs.  It also was a stroke of genius because it geographically blocked the Big 10 from moving in that direction as their charter supposedly requires bordering add ons.

If the SEC ever moved to 2 more teams, Oklahoma STILL wouldn't be the play for them - it would be up the Atlantic coast.  They're not going to be invited in to the Pac 12 and unless Nebraska wants to do them a huge favor and somehow angle them in to the Big 10, even past the whole geography problem, they don't fit that well up there either.  They are literally stuck sucking on Texas' ass like a mid range call girl who tries to maintain an illusion of being a real girlfriend to a rich old guy while everyone else knows that she's still being ordered to give blowjobs to his buddies in the back of the kitchen. 

I'll always feel that Notre Dame did themselves a long term disservice not entering in to the Big 10 but it's a moot point now anyway as it was recently reported that they signed an agreement with the ACC promising them first dibs if they ever joined a conference in football.

Arkansas has not won the SEC and won't be considered a "real" SEC team until we do finally win a conference championship but we're still infinitely better off dealing with the cartel of Alabama and Florida and UGA power than we are getting drawn in to Oklahoma's situation.   

Oklahoma needs to worry about luring BYU, Boise, Houston and the Arkansas School for the Deaf in to their sad situation.

What Cerdo said.

Garth needs to stick with singing and music. That's his forte.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on May 12, 2016, 10:24:56 AM
Garth Brooks is simply another Okie football fan who has finally decided to accept the reality that Oklahoma football in general is in a really tight spot and is now verbalizing it out.
The Sooners and Okie State are hostages to the whims of the University of Texas, who is hostage to no one.  Texas has a bunch of money to collect from ESPN and LHN on a backloaded contract - they can rule the Big 12 if they wish or go independent and make even MORE money possibly.  Texas is in the driver's seat and can do whatever they wish. 

Oklahoma has never had an invitation to the SEC, no matter what they invent in their heads.  It makes absolutely no sense and in the final analysis, adding Missouri did exactly what the SEC needed - metro TV numbers and a breather team for the established SEC programs.  It also was a stroke of genius because it geographically blocked the Big 10 from moving in that direction as their charter supposedly requires bordering add ons.

If the SEC ever moved to 2 more teams, Oklahoma STILL wouldn't be the play for them - it would be up the Atlantic coast.  They're not going to be invited in to the Pac 12 and unless Nebraska wants to do them a huge favor and somehow angle them in to the Big 10, even past the whole geography problem, they don't fit that well up there either.  They are literally stuck sucking on Texas' ass like a mid range call girl who tries to maintain an illusion of being a real girlfriend to a rich old guy while everyone else knows that she's still being ordered to give blowjobs to his buddies in the back of the kitchen. 

I'll always feel that Notre Dame did themselves a long term disservice not entering in to the Big 10 but it's a moot point now anyway as it was recently reported that they signed an agreement with the ACC promising them first dibs if they ever joined a conference in football.

Arkansas has not won the SEC and won't be considered a "real" SEC team until we do finally win a conference championship but we're still infinitely better off dealing with the cartel of Alabama and Florida and UGA power than we are getting drawn in to Oklahoma's situation.   

Oklahoma needs to worry about luring BYU, Boise, Houston and the Arkansas School for the Deaf in to their sad situation.

OKC is 45th in tv market and Tulsa is 61st. Together that isn't shabby.

Like you i'd rather see us nab an NC State and VA Tech.

If that happened, I'd break it down like this

4 pods

Ark, LSU, Tamu, Missouri

Bama, AU, Ole Miss, Ms. State

Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, UGA

Florida, VA Tech, USCe, South Carolina

How it would work,

Arkansas would play the other three pod mates every year, you would play two games per year from each of the other three pods.
For example:
Bama and AU, you would rotate home and homes with them
Ole Miss and MSU, same thing

We would never play Bama and AU in the same year just two years on and two years off.

The same would go for Ole Miss and MSY

However , if Arkansas really wanted to play Ole Miss every year, teams would be allowed to continue play yearly but the two year it is not part of the mandated conference schedule it does not count in league standings. So, if we played Ole Miss the two years we play MSU, those games would not count in the SEC, they would be treated like non con games. This would games like  Bama/Tenn, Georgia/Florida, Ole/LSU to continue yearly but would only count in the league half the time. This non counting rivalry games would be treated as part of the tv rights package for the conference to add value.

Regardless every team will never go longer than two seasons without playing and it gives greater divirsity to scheduling.

If you add the three yearly pod games and 2 games from each pod, that gives you 9 conference games per year in a league of 16.

Winners of each pod is seeded in two semi games and a final with the winner representing the SEC in the BCS playoffs

The BCS playoff would be 5 teams the 3 highest seeds get a bye, the lowest seeded two play a game to decide who goes to the semis against the highest seed. 2 and 3 plays each other in the semi
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on May 12, 2016, 12:15:31 PM
I think we run a high risk of moving down in the pecking order if OU joins the SEC WEST.

However I do not think it logical to join a dead conference that has its key members looking for the exit and/or holding the conference hostage. If we were to join it would have to be as equals to Texas and OU in terms of revenue or at least something attractive enough to leave the SEC. I don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on May 12, 2016, 08:30:08 PM
I don't think adding Missouri blocks the Big Ten from adding any states in that area.

The only ones to add would be Kansas (I cant see them ever adding Oklahoma) and they already touch Nebraska. I suppose, had the Big Ten added Mizzou themselves they could have tried to steal Vandy.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on May 12, 2016, 10:50:21 PM
Garth Brooks is simply another Okie football fan who has finally decided to accept the reality that Oklahoma football in general is in a really tight spot and is now verbalizing it out.
The Sooners and Okie State are hostages to the whims of the University of Texas, who is hostage to no one.  Texas has a bunch of money to collect from ESPN and LHN on a backloaded contract - they can rule the Big 12 if they wish or go independent and make even MORE money possibly.  Texas is in the driver's seat and can do whatever they wish. 

Oklahoma has never had an invitation to the SEC, no matter what they invent in their heads.  It makes absolutely no sense and in the final analysis, adding Missouri did exactly what the SEC needed - metro TV numbers and a breather team for the established SEC programs.  It also was a stroke of genius because it geographically blocked the Big 10 from moving in that direction as their charter supposedly requires bordering add ons.

If the SEC ever moved to 2 more teams, Oklahoma STILL wouldn't be the play for them - it would be up the Atlantic coast.  They're not going to be invited in to the Pac 12 and unless Nebraska wants to do them a huge favor and somehow angle them in to the Big 10, even past the whole geography problem, they don't fit that well up there either.  They are literally stuck sucking on Texas' ass like a mid range call girl who tries to maintain an illusion of being a real girlfriend to a rich old guy while everyone else knows that she's still being ordered to give blowjobs to his buddies in the back of the kitchen. 

I'll always feel that Notre Dame did themselves a long term disservice not entering in to the Big 10 but it's a moot point now anyway as it was recently reported that they signed an agreement with the ACC promising them first dibs if they ever joined a conference in football.

Arkansas has not won the SEC and won't be considered a "real" SEC team until we do finally win a conference championship but we're still infinitely better off dealing with the cartel of Alabama and Florida and UGA power than we are getting drawn in to Oklahoma's situation.   

Oklahoma needs to worry about luring BYU, Boise, Houston and the Arkansas School for the Deaf in to their sad situation.
Okie?

He's all OSU, man.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on May 12, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
There is zero reason to consider leaving the SEC.  If there is ever a further consolidation it will start with the SEC as the cornerstone, with maybe Vandy and KY out.  If Texas leaves the B12, Oklahoma is fucked, being the big fish in a fucked pool.  Kansas is supposedly tied by state law to Kansas State; they are a package deal, which will fuck them up if they ever have to go looking for a conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on May 12, 2016, 11:36:35 PM
There is zero reason to consider leaving the SEC.  If there is ever a further consolidation it will start with the SEC as the cornerstone, with maybe Vandy and KY out.  If Texas leaves the B12, Oklahoma is fucked, being the big fish in a fucked pool.  Kansas is supposedly tied by state law to Kansas State; they are a package deal, which will fuck them up if they ever have to go looking for a conference.
Kentucky? Lol. That's rich.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: RPL on May 13, 2016, 12:20:56 AM
There is zero reason to consider leaving the SEC.  If there is ever a further consolidation it will start with the SEC as the cornerstone, with maybe Vandy and KY out.  If Texas leaves the B12, Oklahoma is fucked, being the big fish in a fucked pool.  Kansas is supposedly tied by state law to Kansas State; they are a package deal, which will fuck them up if they ever have to go looking for a conference.

Kentucky isn't going anywhere.  Too much basketball $$$ and prestige.  It's the equivalent of Bama leaving.  Ain't happening. 

Missouri might (and should) go if anybody is to leave the SEC.  They've flirted with the B1G for years and wanted to be a member.  The B1G just considers Mizzou a fuck buddy and nothing else.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on May 13, 2016, 12:28:18 AM
There is zero reason to consider leaving the SEC.  If there is ever a further consolidation it will start with the SEC as the cornerstone, with maybe Vandy and KY out.  If Texas leaves the B12, Oklahoma is fucked, being the big fish in a fucked pool.  Kansas is supposedly tied by state law to Kansas State; they are a package deal, which will fuck them up if they ever have to go looking for a conference.

Wait. You think the SEC would boot Kentucky (basketball school) but KU (basketball school) is fucked because they are 'supposedly' tied to Kansas State (football school)?

What?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on May 13, 2016, 05:48:27 AM
Okie?

He's all OSU, man.
When I used the general term "Okie" and "Oklahoma football" I was referring to both OK and OSU.

I don't think anyone in the SEC is ever going to be forced out.  KY is the most elite blue blood basketball school in history and Vandy gives the whole conference some badly needed brain cred.  Missouri obviously was played by the Big 10 and yeah, they'd flirt with them and go if they could but I don't think that's ever happening.   I can see the Big Ten bringing them in if everyone was forced to go to 16 schools though and ND isn't an option but maybe OK or KS by itself would be. 

As helpless as Oklahoma's position is, I can't imagine the desperation of Iowa State.   
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on May 13, 2016, 08:34:35 AM
Iowa State is sucking all the cocks. All of them.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 13, 2016, 08:59:32 AM
No one is getting booted out of or leaving the SEC.
Too much money involved.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on May 13, 2016, 12:13:12 PM
Iowa State is sucking all the cocks. All of them.
I've seen that movie.   
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on May 15, 2016, 09:35:52 AM
Wait. You think the SEC would boot Kentucky (basketball school) but KU (basketball school) is fucked because they are 'supposedly' tied to Kansas State (football school)?

What?

You missed my original statement of "if there is further consolidation".  There is talk of a "superconference" of football only, of fewer teams, of players paid beyond scholarships, which would focus on 32 to 64 schools.  There are numerous ways to structure it but it would be a tv goldmine for those inside it, and allow the next tier to succeed as well.  Arkansas would be in it.  Basketball has nothing to do with it, nor "scholastics".

I was not implying that a Kentucky would be ousted from the SEC under a current conference structure. 

Any talk of leaving the SEC for the Big 12 is stupidity.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Buffinator on May 15, 2016, 06:32:27 PM
Heard some yokel on CBS radio yesterday saying that if the Big10 could land OU and Notre Dame then there would be no way the SEC could compete with them for "top conference" in football anymore due to lack of teams available for addition. 

L. O. L.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 16, 2016, 10:53:34 AM
Why would Notre Dame go to the B1G?
They're basically in the ACC as it is, but they get to play by their own rules and set their own schedule, for the most part.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on May 16, 2016, 12:18:48 PM
For that matter the ACC could land Notre Dame and Texas as full members perhaps partial. I think that was discussed before and FSU was opposed to it. Or it may have been FSU to the Big 12.

I'm not sure Texas can break away from their little brother schools without there being a political shit sandwich.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: The Pig in Black on May 16, 2016, 12:24:56 PM
Stewart Mandel has a new column up on what he thinks CFB will look like in 10 years.  Basically, he thinks there will be contraction into a 24-team super league that will include playoff at the end with no bowls.  He has us as one of the 24 teams.



What will college football conferences look like 10 years from now?

It’s a fun little exercise that stirs up every time realignment returns to the news, which, thanks to the Big 12, is happening all over again. People love speculating about the next fantastical move -- Florida State to the Big 12? Texas to the Big Ten? Oklahoma to the SEC?

Most scenarios out there continue where we left off in 2010-12 with what many see as an inevitable path toward 16-team super conferences. Bigger is better, right? Heck, why not make five of them?

But those assumptions don’t account for major philosophical shifts already taking place both within college athletics, where some administrators already rue various consequences of 14-team conferences (scheduling difficulties, bloated travel costs), and in the softening television rights marketplace. If anything, I expect the next big movement to be contraction, not expansion.

More accurately, call it a consolidation of power.

If anything, I expect the next big movement to be contraction, not expansion. More accurately, call it a consolidation of power.
To be clear, nothing I’m about to prophesize will happen within the next few years because most conference contracts are locked in well into the next decade. And league members in the Big Ten, Pac-12, Big 12 and ACC have signed corresponding Grant of Rights agreements that make it prohibitively difficult for them to jump ship before then.

The next window for mass shuffling will start around 2023, when all five* power conferences’ primary rights deals come up within a three-year span. (The Big Ten has not yet formalized its forthcoming TV deals, but reports indicate they will be for six years, ending in 2023. The SEC’s contract with CBS expires in 2024, but its ESPN/SEC Network deal is in place through 2034.) Perhaps more important, the College Football Playoff's 12-year contract ends with the 2025 season. As I’m about to outline, the next big realignment shift will go hand in hand with the evolution of the playoff.

Only two years into the four-team system, you can already see what direction the sport is headed. The playoff race now dwarfs all other aspects of the season, including the other bowl games. Last year’s Iowa-Stanford Rose Bowl – between two teams that barely missed the playoff -- garnered the bowl’s lowest TV rating on record. The Notre Dame-Ohio State Fiesta Bowl, pitting two mega-brands stocked with star power, garnered less than half as many viewers (9.8 million) as the same bowl matchup a decade earlier.

 Kevin Hiogan
You probably don't remember the Iowa-Stanford Rose Bowl ... because you probably weren't watching it.

Harry How/Getty Images
The playoff will inevitably expand to at least eight teams, if not more, when the current deal ends, and it will separate completely from the bowl system. Early-round games will be played on campus, just like in the NFL. In turn, our national focus will narrow almost entirely to teams perceived as playoff contenders, which, if we’re being honest, comprise fewer than half of the 65 Power 5 schools, and certainly none of the other 63 FBS schools. Sorry, but Wake Forest is no threat to pull a Leicester City anytime soon.

Which brings us to consolidation.

As we know, all revolves around the mighty TV dollar, but the TV business is drastically changing. Who knows how we’ll be watching sports in 10 years, but it likely won’t be via the current bundled cable model. At the very least, consumers will be able to decide for themselves which media entities (ESPN, FS1, NCBSN, etc.) they’re willing to pay for. Or perhaps no longer will be a middleman and you will purchase game broadcasts straight from the leagues themselves to stream on your own device.

Whereas the last round of realignment was driven by inventory -- bundle together as many schools from as many markets as possible to command the highest possible subscriber fees -- the next round will be more about content. Put on the biggest possible games to garner the largest possible audience because the viewers themselves will become the buyers rather than Comcast or Time Warner.

To that end, the best possible way for an Ohio State or Alabama to maximize its value will be to shed the six or so games a year that only its own fans care about and turn every game into a national event. I’m talking one 24-team “conference” of only the biggest names in the sport, funneling exclusively into the College Football Playoff.

 Urban Meyer is not ready to crown Nick Saban the best college coach of all time.
Nick Saban and Urban Meyer may not still be coaching in 10 years, but it's a good bet Alabama and Ohio State will still be powers.

Getty Images
Call it the College Football Playoff Confederation.

Think Champions League in soccer, only these “clubs” won’t play another season. In fact, the Confederation may not even fall under traditional NCAA purview. UCLA could still compete as an NCAA member in the Pac-12 or Michigan in the Big Ten in all other sports, but for football, the biggest revenue-drivers would pool together into their own conglomerate.

Of course, I can’t winnow down the 65 current Power 5 schools to 24 without hurting some feelings. While many of the names are obvious (USC, Texas, etc.), others will surely elicit outrage from fans of schools excluded at their expense. But the overriding goal is to bring together the 24 most appealing programs from both a TV and competitive perspective.

Which means this list would likely look different by 2026, but as of 2016, the 24 are …

Alabama
Arkansas
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
LSU
Michigan
Michigan State
Miami
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Oregon
Penn State
Stanford
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
USC
UCLA
Wisconsin

 Oklahoma State Cowboys fans pose
Sorry, Oklahoma State fans, there won't be room for everyone.

Brett Deering
There’s nothing I can say here that will appease jilted Oklahoma State or South Carolina fans, but here’s the general criteria these schools meet:

•  All 24 have either won or played for a national title, or at the very least appeared in a BCS bowl, since that system began in 1998.

•  Nineteen ranked among the 24 biggest national fan bases in a 2011 study by statistician Nate Silver.

•  All but three ranked among the top 24 nationally in average attendance last season.

•  All of ESPN’s top 15 markets for college football broadcasts last season, as well as 12 of the nation’s 20 largest TV markets, are represented.

Here’s how the thing would work.

First of all, we’d split it into four divisions.

2026 PROPOSED DIVISIONS
EAST DIVISION   MIDWEST DIVISION   SOUTH DIVISION   WEST DIVISION
Penn State   Notre Dame   Alabama   USC
Miami   Ohio State   Auburn   UCLA
Florida State   Michigan   Tennessee   Oregon
Florida   Michigan State   Arkansas   Stanford
Georgia   Nebraska   LSU   Texas
Clemson   Wisconsin   Texas A&M   Oklahoma
•  Each team plays five games against its divisional foes, six games against other divisions (two teams from each, predetermined like in the NFL) and one game against whoever it wants from any level, be it an old rival that didn’t make the cut for this list or an FCS bodybag foe.

•  The top two teams in each division make the playoff. No committee or BCS formula needed. You could also easily expand the playoff to 12, with the champion of each division getting a first-round bye.

•  And just like in pro sports leagues, the Confederation, not the individual conferences/divisions, holds the TV rights for every regular-season and playoff game between any of these teams.

So the question becomes, how much would fans pay for the ability to watch every major college football game of the season, including an eight-team playoff, on any device? I’m guessing a whole lot more than they would for a Big Ten-only package that includes Ohio State-Michigan but also Rutgers-Howard. Especially if they’re no longer paying $150 a month for cable channels they don’t watch.

Let’s set the price hypothetically at $250 -- the same as DirecTV’s NFL Sunday Ticket. And let’s say 11 million people – about the number that watched last year’s LSU-Alabama game – sign up. The cut for each of the 24 schools would be a staggering $114.6 million. That’s nearly three times what Big Ten schools are projected to make ($40 million-plus) when they reset the market next year.

The cut for each of the 24 schools would be a staggering $114.6 million. That’s nearly three times what Big Ten schools are projected to make ($40 million-plus) when they reset the market next year.
There are admittedly issues that come with this. First of all, I assume the rules against compensating college athletes will look much different by 2026 because there’s no way to justify cutting the players out of $114.6 million. There’s also the issue of player safety -- the champion would potentially play 15 straight games against top-level competition. If this is indeed separate from the NCAA, then theoretically the schools could devise their own scholarship limits and eligibility standards.

But frankly, devising specific rules of a sport is not the intent of this article; rather, it’s illustrating a new vision for realignment.

So as the Big 12 continues to debate the merits of adding Cincinnati, UCF or Houston and starting a conference network, know that way of thinking may soon become a relic. It’s fine as long as the traditional linear cable business remains dominant. By 2026, though, we’ll all be much choosier about what content we pay for.

If you care enough about college football to be reading this story, I’m guessing you’ll choose watching the best of the best play one another from September through the championship game.
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Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 16, 2016, 12:26:00 PM
That is delusional.
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Post by: Clark on May 16, 2016, 12:28:17 PM
tl;dr

Will never happen.
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Post by: chittlins on May 16, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
That's one hell of a troll job
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Post by: lawtiger on May 16, 2016, 12:51:31 PM
That's one hell of a troll job

Impressive way to generate content for a few months: simultaneously piss off about 80% of the college football audience.

Well, I said that poorly.  How about "piss of fans of about 80% of the field."
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Post by: The Pig in Black on May 16, 2016, 12:51:58 PM
That's one hell of a troll job

For Chrissakes, he's a college football writer trying to come up with content until the season gets started. 

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Post by: DirkPiggler on May 16, 2016, 03:51:03 PM
No Missishithole schools listed.
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Post by: chittlins on May 16, 2016, 04:06:08 PM
For Chrissakes, he's a college football writer trying to come up with content until the season gets started.

I don't give a fuck, that's super stench click bait and trolling a hundred schools. He'll have hundreds of appearance requests for call in shows.
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Post by: Tanny Bogus on May 16, 2016, 04:43:43 PM
I don't give a fuck, that's super stench click bait and trolling a hundred schools. He'll have hundreds of appearance requests for call in shows.
So he's doing his job?  To be honest, I don't like to read shit like that either but I understand why people do it.
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Post by: Animal on May 16, 2016, 05:00:51 PM
We are talking about college sports TV deals that are 8 to 10 years from being negotiated. You really have to get in your time machine to do this subject the justice it demands. We are talking about deals that will last a dozen or more years from 2025. If I'm in that business I'm not thinking about how we currently watch tv/sports, but how will we watch tv/sports in 2030, 2035, and so on. In particular how we will make money off people staring at a screen in the future. The talk of reduction of these mega sports deals could be a very real thing depending on how tv providers see the future market playing out. How people watch now days and how they will watch 15 to 25 years from now is very important to what amounts to a speculative industry. I could see where it would be real easy to miss the fucking ball on this and lose big. By 2025...long term deals may not be something that tv providers are willing to fork out.

Younger people today are staring endlessly at their wearable technology. They are not sitting at home watching the boob tube nor are they going to games to be with friends. They are nowhere and everywhere together and alone. They want interactivity as long as they don't have to do anything for it. As long as there is no emotional investment/disruption it's cool. A quick swipe left or right is about all they really want to do. The generations to follow millennials will no doubt have even weirder screen habits. Remember people (all screen people young and old) are more likely to be willing to communicate with someone across the world than they are someone five feet away.

The only way that changes is if there is some kind of reduction of technology in our lives as a means to unplug or incentives to actually view and experience sporting events first hand...without the disconnect from the people on the other side of the planet. That's getting away from the point though. The point is we want everything right now in the palm of our hand and the absolute minimal cost. That's a big challenge to tv providers but they have the advantage of knowing that whatever/however we are doing...it's going to be on their devices and subscriptions.

Viewing habits will change with the technology and we cannot accurately anticipate what's down the road. There will never be another Steve Jobs until there is. A seamless follow me view cord cutting technology for all mediums across all platforms would be a major step and we are not that far away from that now. You could walk room to room in your house and what you are choosing to view pops up on the screen or device. The challenge would be the leap from your house to every smart viewing device you come in contact with is a potential viewing location. 21st century dumb terminals I guess. Imagine not having to wear anything at all because screens are everywhere. Can you imagine not having to lug around a smart phone everywhere you go? Parish the thought.

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Post by: hoggadore on June 10, 2016, 08:12:05 AM
Pretends for the moment that it wasn't a straight troll job, Arkansas would definitely be a bubble team there, at best.

•  All 24 have either won or played for a national title, or at the very least appeared in a BCS bowl, since that system began in 1998.

At least we have the Sugar Bowl.

•  Nineteen ranked among the 24 biggest national fan bases in a 2011 study by statistician Nate Silver.

Arkansas wasn't (26th)

•  All but three ranked among the top 24 nationally in average attendance last season.

(21st)

•  All of ESPN’s top 15 markets for college football broadcasts last season, as well as 12 of the nation’s 20 largest TV markets, are represented.

Not much here for us.

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Post by: TexZilla on June 10, 2016, 08:21:08 AM
Pretends for the moment that it wasn't a straight troll job, Arkansas would definitely be a bubble team there, at best.

•  All 24 have either won or played for a national title, or at the very least appeared in a BCS bowl, since that system began in 1998.

At least we have the Sugar Bowl.

•  Nineteen ranked among the 24 biggest national fan bases in a 2011 study by statistician Nate Silver.

Arkansas wasn't (26th)

•  All but three ranked among the top 24 nationally in average attendance last season.

(21st)

•  All of ESPN’s top 15 markets for college football broadcasts last season, as well as 12 of the nation’s 20 largest TV markets, are represented.

Not much here for us.

I think there will be contraction into a 32 team super conference, and Arkansas would be there. 
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Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on June 11, 2016, 01:30:54 AM
I think there will be contraction into a 32 team super conference, and Arkansas would be there.

I think this guy was right about the haves vs have nots.  Right now the haves are generously sharing with the have nots more than they need to. 

I think all of this grand restructuring he came up with is probably bullshit. The conferences have history and frankly the decades of legacy, rivalries, etc are part of what keeps the TVs tuned in and the money rolling in. I think those 24 programs are probably the best, but in the end we're probably going to end up with 4 12-16 conferences, likely 16.  All of the current SEC, Big 10 and Pac-10 teams are safe.  Nobody will be forced out. The Big XII and ACC were in a race to become the 4th conference and Texas messed it up for the Big XII, the ACC will win now and those schools are safe.

The Big XII is a fragile mix with only two highly desirable schools - Texas and OU.  They will end up in the Pac-12 or SEC.  Notre Dame will get in the Big Ten. A handful of leftovers will scramble but some solid will get fucked.  Schools like Texas Tech, Okie State, TCU, K-State that most of us consider competitive may get left out cold.  Big XII can't fix that and bringing in weak sisters like Cinci, Memphis, Houston,Boise, or BYU only dilutes the stock even further.

If you don't make the cut you're going to be for all intents and purposes in a lower division.  They will get left out of the playoff and playoff money and any decent TV money.

The winners lately have been schools like Missouri, Louisville, Rutgers and Utah that escaped the mid major trap. All got out of dying conferences just in time.
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Post by: TexZilla on June 11, 2016, 07:33:29 AM
I think this guy was right about the haves vs have nots.  Right now the haves are generously sharing with the have nots more than they need to. 

I think all of this grand restructuring he came up with is probably bullshit. The conferences have history and frankly the decades of legacy, rivalries, etc are part of what keeps the TVs tuned in and the money rolling in. I think those 24 programs are probably the best, but in the end we're probably going to end up with 4 12-16 conferences, likely 16.  All of the current SEC, Big 10 and Pac-10 teams are safe.  Nobody will be forced out. The Big XII and ACC were in a race to become the 4th conference and Texas messed it up for the Big XII, the ACC will win now and those schools are safe.

The Big XII is a fragile mix with only two highly desirable schools - Texas and OU.  They will end up in the Pac-12 or SEC.  Notre Dame will get in the Big Ten. A handful of leftovers will scramble but some solid will get fucked.  Schools like Texas Tech, Okie State, TCU, K-State that most of us consider competitive may get left out cold.  Big XII can't fix that and bringing in weak sisters like Cinci, Memphis, Houston,Boise, or BYU only dilutes the stock even further.

If you don't make the cut you're going to be for all intents and purposes in a lower division.  They will get left out of the playoff and playoff money and any decent TV money.

The winners lately have been schools like Missouri, Louisville, Rutgers and Utah that escaped the mid major trap. All got out of dying conferences just in time.

I always believed in JFB's original vision of a 64 team superconference with 8 8 team divisions in 4 conferences. The four conference championships gives you the 8 team championship playoff. 

The only change there is the question of money.  Will there be more, or less, and how will technology or the economy change things.  this guys view of the importance of students is overrated, programs are secondarily fueled by alumni money, so it's about debt saddled thirty year olds more than anything. 

I don't see an abandonment of the conference structure unless the money changes in quantity or structure.  It compelled the realignments, and could cause another round either way.  The strongest rats will push the weakest off the ship if necessary.
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Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on June 11, 2016, 01:12:10 PM
I always believed in JFB's original vision of a 64 team superconference with 8 8 team divisions in 4 conferences. The four conference championships gives you the 8 team championship playoff. 

The only change there is the question of money.  Will there be more, or less, and how will technology or the economy change things.  this guys view of the importance of students is overrated, programs are secondarily fueled by alumni money, so it's about debt saddled thirty year olds more than anything. 

I don't see an abandonment of the conference structure unless the money changes in quantity or structure.  It compelled the realignments, and could cause another round either way.  The strongest rats will push the weakest off the ship if necessary.

I'm still amazed that Texas arrogance will ultimately bring down the entire Big XII.  Before Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and aTm left I thought they would win out over the ACC and you'd see FSU, UNC, Clemson, etc joining the SEC and Big 10.  Texas is the best thing that ever happened to the ACC, they made them a lock to be one of the 4 surviving conferences.
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Post by: TexZilla on June 11, 2016, 04:26:55 PM
I'm still amazed that Texas arrogance will ultimately bring down the entire Big XII.  Before Nebraska, Colorado, Missouri and aTm left I thought they would win out over the ACC and you'd see FSU, UNC, Clemson, etc joining the SEC and Big 10.  Texas is the best thing that ever happened to the ACC, they made them a lock to be one of the 4 surviving conferences.

It all goes back to Ann Richards and fucking Baylor.  Had Texas and A&M gone with us to the SEC as JFB had schemed, along with Miama in the east, the world would be quite different, as well as our history.  We can again trace a big problem in CFB to Baylor. 

Texas way underestimated the loss of Nebraska and Colorado. 
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Post by: RPL on June 11, 2016, 06:27:32 PM
It all goes back to Ann Richards and fucking Baylor.  Had Texas and A&M gone with us to the SEC as JFB had schemed, along with Miama in the east, the world would be quite different, as well as our history.  We can again trace a big problem in CFB to Baylor.

I was a fan of Ma Richards but she couldn't let TexasS and eaTme leave her beloved Bears.  Worst mistake ever.  As always, FUCK BAYLOR!
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Post by: TravelHog on June 12, 2016, 06:42:37 AM
16 team super conferences, yes. 32, nope.
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Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on June 12, 2016, 11:15:50 AM
It all goes back to Ann Richards and fucking Baylor.  Had Texas and A&M gone with us to the SEC as JFB had schemed, along with Miama in the east, the world would be quite different, as well as our history.  We can again trace a big problem in CFB to Baylor. 

Texas way underestimated the loss of Nebraska and Colorado.

Baylor is about to get theirs.  No way they are included in any expansion.
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Post by: TexZilla on June 12, 2016, 11:26:16 AM
Nothing would be better than to see Baylor relegated to pariah status, stuck with that big expensive new stadium.  Grant Taeff can suck a mule dick.
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Post by: acater on June 12, 2016, 11:43:20 AM
Outside of this situation, why would anyone want to see Baylor go back to being weak? They have played a HUGE role in making Texas into the shitshow they are now. I would much rather have a strong Baylor and a shitty Texas.
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Post by: DirkPiggler on June 12, 2016, 11:50:05 AM
Outside of this situation, why would anyone want to see Baylor go back to being weak? They have played a HUGE role in making Texas into the shitshow they are now. I would much rather have a strong Baylor and a shitty Texas.

The same reason I don't want Ole Miss being good even if it means Alabama or LSU drops a little.  Schools like texass, Alabama, and LSU are always going to out recruit us (on paper), even if we're winning 10 a year and they're losing 8-10 per year.   Baylor or Ole Miss won't out recruit us consistently unless they go on a run of sustained success and/or cheat.  I'd rather just have to worry about texass and A&M in that state instead of adding another viable option that we have to go up against in recruiting.

Plus, fuck Baylor.  Texzilla is right on this one.  Grant Teaff is a chancre on the asshole of humanity, in spite of what a bunch of media types, many of whom weren't even alive when he was coaching, will tell you. 
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Post by: acater on June 12, 2016, 11:53:01 AM
The same reason I don't want Ole Miss being good even if it means Alabama or LSU drops a little.  Schools like texass, Alabama, and LSU are always going to out recruit us (on paper), even if we're winning 10 a year and they're losing 8-10 per year.   Baylor or Ole Miss won't out recruit us consistently unless they go on a run of sustained success and/or cheat.  I'd rather just have to worry about texass and A&M in that state instead of adding another viable option that we have to go up against in recruiting.

Plus, fuck Baylor.  Texzilla is right on this one.  Grant Teaff is a chancre on the asshole of humanity, in spite of what a bunch of media types, many of whom weren't even alive when he was coaching, will tell you.

I understand Ole Miss, they effect us, Baylor doesnt really effect us. Plus, this is rape and shit, not recruits getting paid. They werent telling recruits they could rape all they want on the campus and get away with it, this was a cultural issue on campus that was never fixed. I like that they were out recruiting Texas and beating Oklahoma. It made their weak ass conference weaker at the top.
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Post by: DirkPiggler on June 12, 2016, 11:56:51 AM
I understand Ole Miss, they effect us, Baylor doesnt really effect us. Plus, this is rape and shit, not recruits getting paid. They werent telling recruits they could rape all they want on the campus and get away with it, this was a cultural issue on campus that was never fixed. I like that they were out recruiting Texas and beating Oklahoma. It made their weak ass conference weaker at the top.

We probably go up against Baylor for recruits more often than we do Ole Miss. 
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Post by: TexZilla on June 12, 2016, 03:47:14 PM
I understand Ole Miss, they effect us, Baylor doesnt really effect us. Plus, this is rape and shit, not recruits getting paid. They werent telling recruits they could rape all they want on the campus and get away with it, this was a cultural issue on campus that was never fixed. I like that they were out recruiting Texas and beating Oklahoma. It made their weak ass conference weaker at the top.

Ole Miss has 300 years of "culture and heritage" that can only be overcome by paying players.  Baylor is altogether something else.  They are the definition of all that is wrong in the world except for Islamists, Kardashians and SugarLand; the place should be demolished, the land salted, and the place plowed under. 
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Post by: DrMongoose on June 12, 2016, 04:15:19 PM
Outside of this situation, why would anyone want to see Baylor go back to being weak? They have played a HUGE role in making Texas into the shitshow they are now. I would much rather have a strong Baylor and a shitty Texas.

I would argue the Texas shitshow is what allowed Baylor and TCU to become prominent along with aTm.

It has also enabled OU and OSU among others who recruit heavily there.
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Post by: ArkGuy on June 13, 2016, 11:31:54 AM
Ole Miss has 300 years of "culture and heritage" that can only be overcome by paying players.  Baylor is altogether something else.  They are the definition of all that is wrong in the world except for Islamists, Kardashians and SugarLand; ....

 :thumbup:
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Post by: BASS on August 12, 2016, 11:27:52 AM
Big 12 10 to maybe become Big 10 12.

Bowlsby to host video conferences with these 17 schools about expansion: Cincinnati, Houston, BYU, South Florida, UCF, UConn, Memphis, Colorado State, Boise State, Tulane, Temple, East Carolina, SMU, New Mexico and Northern Illinois.

from that list, the best schools to me are Cincy, Houston, South Florida, and Central Florida...they are all big schools in big metro markets.  Memphsi fits that mold, but its Memphis.  the rest are meh with small fan bases and probably suck balls in every sport except for now and then a decent season in football in their shitty conference.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17281618/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-interview-17-schools-expansion (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/17281618/big-12-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-interview-17-schools-expansion)
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Post by: chittlins on August 12, 2016, 03:10:40 PM
They don't need another fucking Texas school. Add Memphis and Cincy. Hate to see Memphis with BCS conference payouts  ut they become a nice BCS school to schedule in footballand get the basketball series back. Get a little rotation going with TCU, Memphis and someone elese. Home away from homes.

There is this:
Note that Shelby County (Memphis) provides more SEC players than any other county in the nation

Ole Miss and UT would be hurt most.

Besides, Wiseacre may turn the MSC into a Brewery complete with bowling alleys and music clubs.
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Post by: jsimp on August 12, 2016, 03:24:33 PM
I would love to see Houston get added. that might hurt a and m and texas worse than anybody
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Post by: big_pig on August 12, 2016, 03:44:29 PM
Adding Cincinnati is like adding Rutgers. Yeah it's a big market but no one's watching that team.

Add BYU and Memphis, imo.
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Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 12, 2016, 03:50:39 PM
Adding Cincinnati is like adding Rutgers. Yeah it's a big market but no one's watching that team.

Add BYU and Memphis, imo.

Cincy is supported pretty well in most sports, aren't they?
Everyone assumes Houston is in, but to me, adding Houston doesn't really bring anything new to the conference. If bringing in SMU and Houston was worth it, it'd already be done.
I think you'll see them work in at least one team from the Eastern timezone to match with WV and bring in a new market. UCF/USF/ECU/UConn/Cincy all fit that bill, really. Several of those programs are supported incredibly well, so the step up would not be as big a deal as it first appears.

I'd think any school from the Mountain timezone is an outside shot. Stretching across 3 timezones would be some what challenging logistically, I'd think.
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Post by: Ham Malone on August 12, 2016, 04:01:27 PM
Colorado State wouldn't be a bad choice, they have had some recent success in football and basketball and Colorado has a lot of TVs.  CU is awful at most everything which leads to most everyone in the state not caring about college sports at all. 
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Post by: Scotty Doesn't Know on August 12, 2016, 06:20:13 PM
Cinci, UCF and Houston have all played in major bowls within recent memory. Throw in CSU and you have one hell of a market addition. That being said, Orlando and Houston markets basically belong to the SEC already so what would it hurt to add competitors there.
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Post by: Law_Hawg on August 12, 2016, 06:32:09 PM


There are over 6.5 million Mormons in the USA.  While not all are BYU fans, a sizeable number are.  They have that Notre Dame kinda thing going for them there.
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Post by: jsimp on August 12, 2016, 07:38:24 PM
Cincy is supported pretty well in most sports, aren't they?
Everyone assumes Houston is in, but to me, adding Houston doesn't really bring anything new to the conference. If bringing in SMU and Houston was worth it, it'd already be done.
I think you'll see them work in at least one team from the Eastern timezone to match with WV and bring in a new market. UCF/USF/ECU/UConn/Cincy all fit that bill, really. Several of those programs are supported incredibly well, so the step up would not be as big a deal as it first appears.

I'd think any school from the Mountain timezone is an outside shot. Stretching across 3 timezones would be some what challenging logistically, I'd think.

I think you are giving the fucknuts that run that conference too much credit. while everyone else is making money hand over fist, they have let texas run half their conference off and are reaching for whoever they can just to keep their little shitshow together
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Post by: jethro on August 12, 2016, 08:24:14 PM
And don't forget, according to ESPN, Arkansas State was included in that group today.
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Post by: Animal on August 12, 2016, 08:38:07 PM
I've heard UNLV mentioned which I could see if you took a flyer on a west school to pare with BYU. Good basketball school and great convention town potential
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Post by: wmr on August 12, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
And don't forget, according to ESPN, Arkansas State was included in that group today.

No way in hell that happens.
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Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 12, 2016, 09:56:39 PM
BYU is the only team on that list with any real fan support.
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Post by: jethro on August 12, 2016, 10:11:50 PM
No way in hell that happens.

Nope.  but somehow, i wish it would.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on August 12, 2016, 11:34:36 PM
The conference fucked up adding West Virginia.  It is creating a travel issue just isn't a fit.  Houston is probably a shoo in because of Texas politics but it makes the reorg awkward.  They don't want to bust up Texas-ou or Ou-Osu.  They should probably consider non geographical divisions.  Memphis would be a stupid choice.  BYU to wvu is a long fucking way.  If they could talk Colorado into coming back...


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Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: hogfan58 on August 13, 2016, 06:02:18 AM
BYU will not be the team. Their Honor Code has recently come under fire by LGBT groups, and others. Women who have alleged rape or sexually assault have been punished for violating the code.

Too similar to Baylor and the Big 12 doesn't need anymore of that. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on August 13, 2016, 06:50:02 AM
BYU will not be the team. Their Honor Code has recently come under fire by LGBT groups, and others. Women who have alleged rape or sexually assault have been punished for violating the code.

Too similar to Baylor and the Big 12 doesn't need anymore of that.


That's exactly what they are looking for
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on August 13, 2016, 07:11:58 AM
I personally think BYU is an automatic and everyone gains in that deal.
I know in the short term Houston does nothing for them.... but in the long term, Houston would give a shaky league a team that could become powerful, actually has a history and allows them to keep some of the A&M hysteria at bay.

WV was a horrible add but everyone was stuck.  They may as well add Cincy to that deal and improve the Big 12 WV scenario.  At that point you just gratuitously add a 4th team like Boise, which always gets tv numbers and kind of rounds out your conference.

I think it's a loser's game long term for the Big 12 to try and fool around with a Florida school or Memphis.    You're never going to make an impact in SEC country. 


They never should have let Missouri get away... but they did.  It's so ironic that a terrible school like Missouri is so versatile that they would have been a solid add to 3 major conferences but geography and demographics are what they are..... which is why Sooner fans will never understand how fucked up THEIR situation is.  Oklahoma basically is stuck as the "supportive wife" to whatever UT decides to do, whatever their whim is, whatever they want. 

UT is the super rich billionaire that owns the private jet and the mansion and can basically hold parties in the Hamptons while Oklahoma is the wife that has to stay at home and  pretend not to notice what's really up while holding the marriage together for the kids..... and let her man buy her a fancy car and diamond ring every once in a while. 
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Post by: Hatchclan on August 13, 2016, 07:18:33 AM
I personally think BYU is an automatic and everyone gains in that deal.
I know in the short term Houston does nothing for them.... but in the long term, Houston would give a shaky league a team that could become powerful, actually has a history and allows them to keep some of the A&M hysteria at bay.

WV was a horrible add but everyone was stuck.  They may as well add Cincy to that deal and improve the Big 12 WV scenario.  At that point you just gratuitously add a 4th team like Boise, which always gets tv numbers and kind of rounds out your conference.

I think it's a loser's game long term for the Big 12 to try and fool around with a Florida school or Memphis.    You're never going to make an impact in SEC country. 


They never should have let Missouri get away... but they did.  It's so ironic that a terrible school like Missouri is so versatile that they would have been a solid add to 3 major conferences but geography and demographics are what they are..... which is why Sooner fans will never understand how fucked up THEIR situation is.  Oklahoma basically is stuck as the "supportive wife" to whatever UT decides to do, whatever their whim is, whatever they want. 

UT is the super rich billionaire that owns the private jet and the mansion and can basically hold parties in the Hamptons while Oklahoma is the wife that has to stay at home and  pretend not to notice what's really up while holding the marriage together for the kids..... and let her man buy her a fancy car and diamond ring every once in a while.
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So what you are really saying is that you have penis envy?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on August 13, 2016, 08:01:00 AM
You can't trash talk me when you can't even use the quote function correctly bruh.   :portishead:
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Post by: Animal on August 13, 2016, 08:31:50 AM
Byu
Houston
Cincinnati

* I think Cincy more than brings enough for both major sports to merit being the tie back school to WVU.

Houston is in a good market and that alone is reason enough to have a big 12 presence.

BYU has an excellent traveling fan base, great school. Probably not a bad gig to play there. Group sex optional. Though it's about as bad as bringing in WVU from the east.

Some are suggesting they will only take two schools. Personally I think they need to add four schools now while the iron is hot.

I'm not sure of the logistical challenges but I would think if it's bad on the program's it's probably also taxing on the networks who would be assigned to cover it. In other words it could be a loser deal for them.

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Post by: BASS on August 13, 2016, 12:53:32 PM
i think you guys underestimate how big USF and UCF are as schools, and how big their alumni bases are already.  IIRC, UCF has the largest enrollment of any university in the state of florida, like 55,000 or so.  them moving to a major conference and a few years is all that is keeping them being a legit power 5 contender in multiple sports.  and a florida presence will only help big12 recruiting. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: acater on August 13, 2016, 12:55:58 PM
You can't trash talk me when you can't even use the quote function correctly bruh.   :portishead:

Face!!!

Wait, Face!
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: big_pig on August 13, 2016, 05:11:33 PM
i think you guys underestimate how big USF and UCF are as schools, and how big their alumni bases are already.  IIRC, UCF has the largest enrollment of any university in the state of florida, like 55,000 or so.  them moving to a major conference and a few years is all that is keeping them being a legit power 5 contender in multiple sports.  and a florida presence will only help big12 recruiting. 

.........You realize no one actually reads your posts anymore..
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: BASS on August 13, 2016, 10:01:40 PM
.........You realize no one actually reads your posts anymore..

yeah.  hell, i post shit now just to look at my avatar.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on August 14, 2016, 09:54:41 AM
i think you guys underestimate how big USF and UCF are as schools, and how big their alumni bases are already.  IIRC, UCF has the largest enrollment of any university in the state of florida, like 55,000 or so.  them moving to a major conference and a few years is all that is keeping them being a legit power 5 contender in multiple sports.  and a florida presence will only help big12 recruiting.

It doesn't matter how big they are.  They are a poor fit in every way to the Big 12, just like OK would never fit in wit the Pac 12 or Big 10.  I understand that WV was a reach for the B12 and so they can fix it some with Cincy, but any school in the SEC footprint like Memphis or FL schools is repeating the WV mistake all over again, in my opinion. 

No one is ever going to really take the Big 12 seriously anyway as a conference if they don't build it up, the right way, as a conference that has depth.  Texas is always going to be Texas and Oklahoma is still covered for the foreseeable future but the rest of their conference is a bunch of U of Illinois or Oregon States. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on August 14, 2016, 12:04:51 PM
Nebraska and Colorado just killed them. 

There has to be some kind of commonality in a conference, whether it's geography, structure, tradition, or positioning. There only common thread is they're all the losers no one else wants. Right now the 12 looks like a orphanage that had a couple run off, and none of these candidates are going to make any better.  In some ways they would have been better off for Texas to have left some time back.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on August 14, 2016, 04:48:28 PM
and that's all the Big 12 will ever be, unfortunately for them.
They are a conference that exists for the convenience of Texas, at this point.  For Texas, having the Big 12 makes scheduling automatic, lets their fans make travel plans years in advance and to pretend that they have rivals, which outside of OK, they don't anymore.  The Big 12 gives Texas a conference title to play for once the National championship hopes are dashed after a loss, which is something I think has always hurt Notre Dame's morale. 

If Texas went independent tomorrow, they'd still make the same amount of money, they'd still play whoever they want and they'd be on TV and their playoff chances wouldn't change appreciably.  If they can beat OK State and TCU and IA State, it's really no bigger boost for them than if they were making their playoff bid off victories over Army, BYU and a regular power 5 school like Wisconsin. 

If Texas dissolved the Big 12 tomorrow, OK would have nowhere to go.  They'd try the independent route for a year or two or try to be the Chief of the Big 12 sans TX, which would make them what someone like USF is now after a few years.  They'd eventually lobby their way in to some conference - maybe Nebraska would do them a favor and help them in to the Big 10..... or us vouch for them in the SEC.  Maybe the SEC would debate trading Missou out for OK. 

Unfortunately for Oklahoma, they're Texas' bitch right now and the sad thing is, most of their fans don't realize it. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on August 14, 2016, 05:10:50 PM
I would much rather have OU in the SEC than fucking Mizzou.  It makes more sense historically, geographically, etc.  The problem is OU is tethered with OSU, not like KU-KSU but might as well be.  Doesn't matter, at the end of the day its not our monkey or our circus.  The big conferences are set, and the 12 just fucked up when they sucked up to Texas, an allowed Nebraska, CU, and Mizzou to leave.  Had they sadi goodbye to Texas and been able to keep the three that left, they would have a better situation than what they have now,

Houston is not a huge plus.  They were the  primary reason the SWC fell apart because they had lousy gate splits.  They had the most exciting offense of the era and would draw 6000 to our game in the Astrodome, of which 5700 were hog fans.  Phi Slamma Jamma didn't sell that many tickets.  Houston lost the Oilers, cratered the SWC, its just a shitty sports town. 

All this shuffling is like the old maneuvers between the C-USA, the Metro, and the Missouri Valley.  A new list every year of folks no one fucking cared about. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on August 16, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
From Brett McMurphy

Big 12 expansion wannabes now 20:

AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM Rice SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF UNLV USF

But the TV Execs are apparently shitting bricks over this and may be willing to pay the big 12 more not to expand.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: acater on August 16, 2016, 08:02:34 PM
If the Big 12 could wave a magic wand they would get Nebraska and Mizzou back and then add us and Houston. That would give them 14 teams and make their North division respectable, and add a little more in the Houston market.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TravelHog on August 16, 2016, 08:05:21 PM
From Brett McMurphy

Big 12 expansion wannabes now 20:

AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM Rice SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF UNLV USF

But the TV Execs are apparently shitting bricks over this and may be willing to pay the big 12 more not to expand.
Cue Nelson HAHA! pic.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: TexZilla on August 17, 2016, 09:57:28 AM
From Brett McMurphy

Big 12 expansion wannabes now 20:

AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM Rice SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF UNLV USF

But the TV Execs are apparently shitting bricks over this and may be willing to pay the big 12 more not to expand.

They should take all of them.  It would be like an NCAA orphanage, all the folks no one wants. 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on August 17, 2016, 10:17:17 AM
They should take all of them.  It would be like an NCAA orphanage, all the folks no one wants.

Well consider that the MWC has a 120 million dollar tv package or some such, you can't just go poaching the best schools in that conference without someone being displeased. BYu makes sense because they control their own tv and then add in a school literally nobody cares about to make 12 and have their little championship game.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 17, 2016, 11:14:32 AM
From Brett McMurphy

Big 12 expansion wannabes now 20:

AF ArkSt Boise BYU Cincinnati CSU UConn ECU Houston Memphis NIU NM Rice SDSU SMU Temple Tulane UCF UNLV USF

But the TV Execs are apparently shitting bricks over this and may be willing to pay the big 12 more not to expand.
Shit! Why not Lyons and Ozarka Community College?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 17, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
UCA for the Big XII
They just added beach volleyball, gonna capitalize off that olympic exposure.
Gonna expand Estes and bring the curtains down in the Farris Center.


Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on August 17, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
Shit! Why not Lyons and Ozarka Community College?


Oh now I think Henderson State would like a word.
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Post by: IH8LSU on August 17, 2016, 11:44:23 AM
They should take all of them.  It would be like an NCAA orphanage, all the folks no one wants.
Or the island of misfit toys.
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Post by: RPL on August 17, 2016, 04:03:11 PM
Hendrix would like to move up from Division III to Division I.  They won their conference last year! 
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on September 02, 2016, 04:37:18 PM
So this dog and pony show has progessed to the next step. 12 finalists announced as possible Big XII expansion members:

Air Force
BYU
UCF
Cincy
UConn
Colorado St.
Houston
Rice
USF
SMU
Temple
Tulane

Memphis and Fedex given the big FU.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Clark on September 02, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
BYU
UCF
Cincy
Houston
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Post by: Old Man Rimshaw on September 02, 2016, 05:22:13 PM
Jonesboro wept.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Ham Malone on September 02, 2016, 05:33:14 PM
Happy to see that CSU made the cut. 
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Post by: chittlins on September 02, 2016, 05:49:30 PM
So this dog and pony show has progessed to the next step. 12 finalists announced as possible Big XII expansion members:

Air Force
BYU
UCF
Cincy
UConn
Colorado St.
Houston
Rice
USF
SMU
Temple
Tulane

Memphis and Fedex given the big FU.
MEmphis refuses to confirm or deny, no one really knows if they are or aren't. The administration there has been no commenting the whole time.
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Post by: TexZilla on September 02, 2016, 05:50:23 PM
So this dog and pony show has progessed to the next step. 12 finalists announced as possible Big XII expansion members:

Air Force
BYU
UCF
Cincy
UConn
Colorado St.
Houston
Rice
USF
SMU
Temple
Tulane

Memphis and Fedex given the big FU.

Is this even news?  None of these programs have any real relevance.  They'd do just as good to add Barbizon School of Modeling and Our Lady of Perpetual Menses
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on September 02, 2016, 05:54:24 PM
Is this even news?  None of these programs have any real relevance.  They'd do just as good to add Barbizon School of Modeling and Our Lady of Perpetual Menses

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrYa8IJW8AAqloi.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Animal on September 02, 2016, 06:14:05 PM
I've always thought CSU had cool helmets and that's most important
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: BASS on September 02, 2016, 07:14:23 PM
Memphis and Fedex given the big FU.

once the big XII discovered that Memphis expected teams to actually play in Memphis they were cut.  :police:

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Post by: jack_beene on September 02, 2016, 07:35:30 PM
I think there's an argument for BYU, SMU, and Cincy being relevant. Houston is on an upswing, but we all know that won't last. Have they ever been able to sustain local interest?

BYU actually makes sense. It has the fan base, plus it gets rid of one more independent. Cincy would pair off well with WV, which could help, or just double down on that clusterfuck.

SMU obviously hasn't been relevant in years, but adding them back in the fold does bring a certain level of nostalgia and intrigue. They have a wealthy donor base which has been tapped in the past. Adding another tx school, especially one so close to TCU, is what will probably kill their shot.
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Post by: wmr on September 02, 2016, 09:18:05 PM
Am I the only who thinks that Memphis NDA statement means Memphis might already have their spot?
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Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on September 02, 2016, 11:17:38 PM
I think there's an argument for BYU, SMU, and Cincy being relevant. Houston is on an upswing, but we all know that won't last. Have they ever been able to sustain local interest?

BYU actually makes sense. It has the fan base, plus it gets rid of one more independent. Cincy would pair off well with WV, which could help, or just double down on that clusterfuck.

SMU obviously hasn't been relevant in years, but adding them back in the fold does bring a certain level of nostalgia and intrigue. They have a wealthy donor base which has been tapped in the past. Adding another tx school, especially one so close to TCU, is what will probably kill their shot.

I don't know about SMU.  They don't have the community support TCU does, and they don't add TV sets. 

Cincy and BYU are the obvious solid additions.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: chittlins on September 03, 2016, 04:52:16 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/2016/09/03/memphis-being-cut-from-consideration-signals-big-12-expansion-may-not-happen/#5fd5b3234e9f
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Post by: Humphrey BOARgart on September 03, 2016, 08:42:33 PM
Am I correct in assuming they are looking at BYU in football only?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: razorwire on September 06, 2016, 03:10:48 PM
So this dog and pony show has progessed to the next step. 12 finalists announced as possible Big XII expansion members:

Air Force
BYU
UCF
Cincy
UConn
Colorado St.
Houston
Rice
USF
SMU
Temple
Tulane

Memphis and Fedex given the big FU.
Is SMU off of probation yet?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 18, 2016, 10:26:46 AM
It makes me laugh that they stick David Boren out there to talk as if he's making any actual decisions.

He says what Texas tells him to say so that Oklahoma doesn't get the hose again.    I wonder how long Texas even bothers with it all. 
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Post by: Mr A Ziffell on October 18, 2016, 10:49:29 AM
So this dog and pony show has progessed to the next step. 12 finalists announced as possible Big XII expansion members:

Air Force
BYU
UCF
Cincy
UConn
Colorado St.
Houston
Rice
USF
SMU
Temple
Tulane

Memphis and Fedex given the big FU.

Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Cerdo on October 18, 2016, 11:11:18 AM
I think Texas got the "I'm coming if Houston isn't in the Big12" signal from Tom Herman's people and essentially made the decision based on that.

LSU needs to look to the NFL. 
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Post by: jsimp on October 18, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
I think Texas got the "I'm coming if Houston isn't in the Big12" signal from Tom Herman's people and essentially made the decision based on that.

LSU needs to look to the NFL.

Im kind of pulling for the 49ers to turn it around just enough to keep chip Kelly off the board
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Post by: chittlins on October 18, 2016, 01:04:33 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kristidosh/2016/09/03/memphis-being-cut-from-consideration-signals-big-12-expansion-may-not-happen/#5fd5b3234e9f


Ding, Ding we have a winner. Memphis, being the best school in terms of carrying the own weight financially and in the heart of SEC Country as well, supposedly being left off the list was a good heads up.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: IH8LSU on October 18, 2016, 02:09:08 PM
I'm kinda hoping Orgeron has enough success (losing to us, but beating others) this year that they keep him on. He seems like a guy who will do well at first then do stupid shit that will fuck things up. Is that wrong?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: HogofWar on October 18, 2016, 02:10:15 PM
I'm kinda hoping Orgeron has enough success (losing to us, but beating others) this year that they keep him on. He seems like a guy who will do well at first then do stupid shit that will fuck things up. Is that wrong?

No, these things happen. :tiw:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: acater on October 18, 2016, 02:18:28 PM
I'm kinda hoping Orgeron has enough success (losing to us, but beating others) this year that they keep him on. He seems like a guy who will do well at first then do stupid shit that will fuck things up. Is that wrong?

No way in hell they keep Orgeron. Ole Miss is a HUGE rival, they arent gonna keep an OM flunkie. Plus they are dumb enough to see what happened out there with him as HC.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on October 18, 2016, 03:54:19 PM
I'm kinda hoping Orgeron has enough success (losing to us, but beating others) this year that they keep him on. He seems like a guy who will do well at first then do stupid shit that will fuck things up. Is that wrong?
Guy I work with is a big booster and he says the unwashed love O and want to keep him. SMH.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: notaslibro on October 18, 2016, 04:25:39 PM
Quote
But the process ultimately dragged on so long that Monday’s announcement came amidst a thus far embarrassing 2016 season. Realignment decisions should never be tied to a half-completed season, but the juxtaposition makes a mockery of any notion that adding Houston – which beat Big 12 heavyweight Oklahoma to start the season – would in any way “devalue” the Big 12’s brand.

In order to devalue something, it must have value in the first place.


http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/big-12-expansion-conference-should-apologize-oklahoma-texas-mandel-101716
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Show-Me Hog on October 18, 2016, 07:32:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrYa8IJW8AAqloi.jpg:large)

So they broke the first rule of joining the Big XII conference.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: IH8LSU on October 18, 2016, 07:55:36 PM
So they broke the first rule of joining the Big XII conference.
That there is no Big XII conference?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: IH8LSU on October 18, 2016, 10:08:02 PM
No way in hell they keep Orgeron. Ole Miss is a HUGE rival, they arent gonna keep an OM flunkie. Plus they are dumb enough to see what happened out there with him as HC.
I love LSU Dad!

https://youtu.be/Wr8ijhAuFXE
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on October 28, 2016, 03:44:10 PM


The Big 12 announced this morning that they're bringing back a championship game, that they will stay with a single-table, round-robin schedule, and that the first and second place teams at the end of the regular season will meet in the championship game. 

Big 12 eschews two-division setup; instead, top two teams to play in league title game (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/28/big-12-eschews-two-division-setup-instead-top-two-teams-to-play-in-league-title-game/)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: wmr on October 28, 2016, 03:45:22 PM

The Big 12 announced this morning that they're bringing back a championship game, that they will stay with a single-table, round-robin schedule, and that the first and second place teams at the end of the regular season will meet in the championship game. 

Big 12 eschews two-division setup; instead, top two teams to play in league title game (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/28/big-12-eschews-two-division-setup-instead-top-two-teams-to-play-in-league-title-game/)

Monkey fricks football.
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: notaslibro on October 28, 2016, 03:55:34 PM
I thought you had to have 12 teams to have a championship game. . .
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Law_Hawg on October 28, 2016, 04:02:10 PM
I thought you had to have 12 teams to have a championship game. . .


Not anymore.

Rule change allows Big 12 title game but conference undecided (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/14564702/rule-change-allows-big-12-hold-title-game)
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: notaslibro on October 28, 2016, 04:20:24 PM
LawHawg always puttin' in work.

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Ty Webb on October 29, 2016, 09:47:43 AM

The Big 12 announced this morning that they're bringing back a championship game, that they will stay with a single-table, round-robin schedule, and that the first and second place teams at the end of the regular season will meet in the championship game. 

Big 12 eschews two-division setup; instead, top two teams to play in league title game (http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/28/big-12-eschews-two-division-setup-instead-top-two-teams-to-play-in-league-title-game/)
So when a 12-0 team loses the title game to a 10-2 team....is there still "One true champion?
Title: Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
Post by: Nolapigz on October 29, 2016, 10:46:19 AM
No way in hell they keep Orgeron. Ole Miss is a HUGE rival, they arent gonna keep an OM flunkie. Plus they are dumb enough to see what happened out there with him as HC.
No way in hell they keep Orgeron...unless, maybe, they beat Bama.