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Title: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on February 27, 2022, 03:11:17 PM
Couldn’t find a PGA 2022 thread so I thought I would start one.

They just interviewed Jack Nicklaus on the broadcast of the Honda Classic.  Man he looked bad— definitely showing his ages.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on February 27, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
I haven't been keeping up. What the fuck did Lefty say to lose his sponsors?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogslobber on February 27, 2022, 05:13:20 PM
Comments about Saudi Arabia as he was getting ready to join the breakaway league that Greg Norman is trying to organize.

Alan Shipnuck has a book coming out soon about Phil.

Phil made some bad decisions and will possibly hurt his legacy.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on February 27, 2022, 06:02:54 PM
I was there both days of the weekend.  It was really a good show, as always.  Berger choked, Lowry rushed his tee shot in the rain and Straka was so solid down the stretch. 

I did happen to see Jack’s interview on a video board even though I couldn’t hear it.  He really is starting to show some frailty.   Barbara was out on the grounds yesterday afternoon but no sign of him.   

I met Lowry’s father-in-law about midway through the round today and had an invitation to the celebration if he won.  So I was particularly disappointed in the outcome.   





Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 06, 2022, 04:23:04 PM
Nobody wants to win Arnie’s event today.  What carnage. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hogtired on March 07, 2022, 06:17:32 AM
Nobody wants to win Arnie’s event today.  What carnage.

The course setup was brutal, almost like a major.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on March 07, 2022, 07:54:03 AM
That golf course was harder than any major outside of some US Opens.  Absolute brutality
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogaworking on March 07, 2022, 08:57:37 AM
That golf course was harder than any major outside of some US Opens.  Absolute brutality
harder than some of them.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 12, 2022, 04:28:37 PM
Finally some uninterrupted golf on the Beach. 

Koepka on the verge of hitting for the cycle today. Just needs a quad on one of the last three holes. 

 :evil:
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on March 14, 2022, 02:55:53 PM
Love some final round Monday golf coverage.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 14, 2022, 04:19:36 PM
For sure.

As long as Smith doesn't lose his mind on 17, he should have it and likely become the favorite at the Masters.

I would love to see Keegan Bradley pull it out, though.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 14, 2022, 05:12:55 PM
Annnnnnnd he waited until 18 to lose his mind. 

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 14, 2022, 06:18:13 PM
But what a ballsy finish.  He one-putted 13 greens today.  101 putts over 72 holes, several of which were played in a gale. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: A Boy Named Sue E on March 14, 2022, 08:14:39 PM
That tee shot on 17. I mean holy shit.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: HogNrock on March 14, 2022, 08:25:26 PM
I met him at the FedEx St Jude tourney last year.  Extremely humble guy.  He hit one on 18 that tourney that was 30-40 feet thru the dogleg.  As he came to find his ball he said "oops, overshot that one".  Glad he won a big one.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 14, 2022, 09:52:35 PM
That tee shot on 17. I mean holy shit.

Yeah.  He admitted he pushed it a little, but it was gutsy to go at that part of the green.

I met him at the FedEx St Jude tourney last year.  Extremely humble guy.  He hit one on 18 that tourney that was 30-40 feet thru the dogleg.  As he came to find his ball he said "oops, overshot that one".  Glad he won a big one.

I really liked his interview afterward. 

He talked about his mom and sister coming over from Australia just a couple of weeks ago, and how he hadn't seen them in over two years because of the pandemic.  He got choked up about that, saying golf was secondary this week.

He has a new fan in me too.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: HogNrock on March 14, 2022, 10:26:48 PM
Yeah.  He admitted he pushed it a little, but it was gutsy to go at that part of the green.

I really liked his interview afterward. 

He talked about his mom and sister coming over from Australia just a couple of weeks ago, and how he hadn't seen them in over two years because of the pandemic.  He got choked up about that, saying golf was secondary this week.

He has a new fan in me too.

I know he's young and he may eventually get cocky but he (and I watched his interviews afterwards too) seems like a normal 28 year old who is really, really good at golf.  I loved his answer about how he would spend his winnings from this tourney, 3.something million, and he said he hadn't thought about it.  The family thing and him getting choked up about it resonated, I can't imagine.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 14, 2022, 10:52:20 PM
I know he's young and he may eventually get cocky but he (and I watched his interviews afterwards too) seems like a normal 28 year old who is really, really good at golf.  I loved his answer about how he would spend his winnings from this tourney, 3.something million, and he said he hadn't thought about it.  The family thing and him getting choked up about it resonated, I can't imagine.

Speaking of that interview, it should be required watching for any aspiring journalist, and really any interview subject.  I thought all of the questions were well-thought, and the answers were patient and genuine. 

Maybe I'm just so accustomed to watching our "scribes" interview Musselman.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogslobber on March 22, 2022, 08:25:18 AM
Lefty to miss the Masters.
First time in 28 years.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on March 22, 2022, 08:30:23 AM
Lefty to miss the Masters.
First time in 28 years.

Will he be playing in Saudi Arabia? FIGJAM indeed.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogsrunwild on March 22, 2022, 10:41:13 AM
Lefty to miss the Masters.
First time in 28 years.
Why?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on March 22, 2022, 02:07:23 PM
Why?

Some are speculating the PGA suspended him.
He said, back when the shit hit the fan with his comments, that he was taking a hiatus.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: abnormal hog on March 22, 2022, 03:57:06 PM
Some are speculating the PGA suspended him.
Maybe, but the Masters is not a PGA Tour event. If suspended by PGA, he can still play the Masters.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on March 22, 2022, 04:12:01 PM
Maybe, but the Masters is not a PGA Tour event. If suspended by PGA, he can still play the Masters.

I was thinking the same thing. I’ve never been a huge fan, but I think he should play. Stripe one 300 in the first tee and launch a double bird to the whole world.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogsrunwild on March 22, 2022, 04:16:46 PM
Some are speculating the PGA suspended him.
He said, back when the shit hit the fan with his comments, that he was taking a hiatus.

Maybe I missed the whole thing, but what did he do to get suspended.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: abnormal hog on March 22, 2022, 04:17:08 PM
It will be interesting to see if he defends his PGA title in Tulsa in May. The writer he made the comments too is supposedly releasing his tell all book the week of the PGA.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: abnormal hog on March 22, 2022, 04:25:11 PM
Maybe I missed the whole thing, but what did he do to get suspended.

Not official he's been suspended (PGA won't confirm). He made comments to a golf writer back in November (which came out in February). He was commenting on a new league that's trying to get off the ground that is backed by the Saudis. He was very critical of the PGA and just came across as an ego, money driven ass.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Razorback Jedi on March 22, 2022, 04:31:53 PM
Based on a few other tour players responses regarding Phil's comments to the golf writer (Alan Shipnuck), the fans are seeing what tour players have been seeing about Phil behind closed doors for a long time.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Vito Porkleone on March 22, 2022, 07:16:32 PM
I always thought PM was David Sims.  Now I know I'm right.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: abnormal hog on March 23, 2022, 10:08:18 AM
Interesting article:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/phil-mickelson-wont-play-in-the-masters-but-it-wasnt-his-choice/ar-AAVpg5u?ocid=chromentp

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: papermill on March 24, 2022, 10:40:58 AM
Are the Saudis not "scary mother fuckers"?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 24, 2022, 10:44:46 AM
Are the Saudis not "scary mother fuckers"?

Yes.   And what no one has said publicly is that maybe he's in hiding due to saying exactly that.  So he doesn't become another Khashoggi.


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hogtired on March 26, 2022, 03:36:03 PM
I'm not apologizing for Phil but he was spot on in his comments. The PGA is no different than any other league. The hide behind antitrust all the way to the bank. Players and yes, I know a few, have been bitching about it for years. They were just smart enough not do it to a reporter or suggest business with the arabs.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: allswell on March 31, 2022, 07:16:05 PM
I'm not apologizing for Phil but he was spot on in his comments. The PGA is no different than any other league. The hide behind antitrust all the way to the bank. Players and yes, I know a few, have been bitching about it for years. They were just smart enough not do it to a reporter or suggest business with the arabs.

and - they're all non profit organizations
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 02, 2022, 06:53:38 PM
not pga, but at the women's august national amateur, lsu golfer had a 2 stroke lead with 2 holes to play, double bogeyed 17, bogeyed 18.  16 year old anna davis wins it.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 02, 2022, 08:11:39 PM
not pga, but at the women's august national amateur, lsu golfer had a 2 stroke lead with 2 holes to play, double bogeyed 17, bogeyed 18.  16 year old anna davis wins it.

I was there.  My first trip to Augusta.  What a day!

Felt horrible for Stone but Davis had a great round and became another great lefty champion on the hallowed grounds. 

Annika was there to console Stone afterward.  Very cool to see. 

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on April 03, 2022, 09:48:11 PM
 maybe it's not a "game time decision" after all

https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ (https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ)

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 03, 2022, 10:21:45 PM
maybe it's not a "game time decision" after all

https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ (https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ)

Good grief.   All that’s missing is a money shot.


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: kingofdequeen on April 04, 2022, 12:37:19 PM
maybe it's not a "game time decision" after all

https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ (https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ)

FAP.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: allswell on April 04, 2022, 06:06:12 PM
maybe it's not a "game time decision" after all

https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ (https://twitter.com/TheMasters/status/1510791831348559878?s=20&t=c-eMw7dm4YLNgHh5CVzAzQ)


no possible way eldrick can march up and down those hills at the national for 4 daze and compete. Hell, he could barely walk from his cart to the greens and tee boxes  at the father son tourney on a flat, Florida course. unless you’ve been there, you haven’t a clue how hilly and steep the 18 holes at Augusta national are - brutal.

doubtful he even makes the cut
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 04, 2022, 07:46:46 PM

no possible way eldrick can march up and down those hills at the national for 4 daze and compete. Hell, he could barely walk from his cart to the greens and tee boxes  at the father son tourney on a flat, Florida course. unless you’ve been there, you haven’t a clue how hilly and steep the 18 holes at Augusta national are - brutal.

doubtful he even makes the cut

Exactly.  Even the “downhill” holes aren’t easy because so many go so drastically FAR downhill on the fairways that they have to come back up to the greens.  So there’s climbing involved almost every single hole.  And the nature of his injury with compromised ankle flexion will exaggerate the feel of those climbs even more.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on April 05, 2022, 10:32:15 AM
Sounds like Tiger is playing.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 05, 2022, 10:48:50 AM
Sounds like Tiger is playing.

He'll start anyway. If he starts playing like shit he'll withdraw due to pain. If he's actually in contention he'll hobble around loaded up on pain killers.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 06, 2022, 10:37:38 AM
Tv talking heads asking if tiger can win. They ought to be asking if tiger finishes the first two rounds.

Odds he withdraws due to pain (aka playing like shit) Friday or Saturday?

I'll say 2:1
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on April 06, 2022, 11:38:28 AM
Tv talking heads asking if tiger can win. They ought to be asking if tiger finishes the first two rounds.

Odds he withdraws due to pain (aka playing like shit) Friday or Saturday?

I'll say 2:1

Tiger would not be playing if he didn't think he could win, he's never been a guy who played just to finish or for show.  It's all or nothing with him.
Remember he won a US Open, in a playoff no less, with two stress fractures and torn ACL. pain is nothing new for this guy.
Yes, he's older but he's also smarter as a result of that experience.
No one know the course like him and no one understands the impact of what he is doing by playing this week.
Yes he has to walk but it's not like he's gonna have to carry his bag too.

he's won the mental battle, can he win the physical one? time will tell.
he's the same age as Jack was when he won his last major right?
it's going to be great theatre.
the only thing better would have been if he and Phil (if he was playing) would have been paired together with Couples.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Razorback Jedi on April 06, 2022, 11:57:00 AM
If Tiger is near the top of the leaderboard at any point this weekend, I think we will see the Tiger intimidation effect on the rest of the field. The crowds he is going to pull will be so disruptive to everyone else. It's going to be awesome to watch.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 06, 2022, 12:14:23 PM
It’s not so much whether he can endure pain.  At least not in his foot/ankle.

His walking is compromised.  His weight shift is different.  He’s keeping more weight on his front side, which puts more strain on his upper body to generate what is being reported as essentially the same swing speed and carry distances. 

I’m wondering how his back is going to hold up.

The high winds and gusts that are coming up tomorrow and Friday won’t help either.

He won’t intimidate anybody gimping around like a geriatric. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on April 06, 2022, 02:15:05 PM
Does he play Bridgestones?

 https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1511783662500651008?s=21&t=SZ3NCxtvGc5fPCU6ZRXQTw (https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1511783662500651008?s=21&t=SZ3NCxtvGc5fPCU6ZRXQTw)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on April 06, 2022, 02:31:05 PM
Does he play Bridgestones?

 https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1511783662500651008?s=21&t=SZ3NCxtvGc5fPCU6ZRXQTw (https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1511783662500651008?s=21&t=SZ3NCxtvGc5fPCU6ZRXQTw)
Probably not, but “Tiger’s Back” will probably be the reason he withdraws after starting out like shit.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: West Texas Hog on April 06, 2022, 02:31:54 PM
Does he play Bridgestones?

 https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1511783662500651008?s=21&t=SZ3NCxtvGc5fPCU6ZRXQTw (https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/1511783662500651008?s=21&t=SZ3NCxtvGc5fPCU6ZRXQTw)

Yes, he plays Bridgestones.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: chrchoswinentology on April 06, 2022, 03:40:01 PM
Yes, he plays Bridgestones.

It’s one of the things Tiger and I have in common. 

Also, we like banging Chili’s waitresses with impunity.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 06, 2022, 04:32:09 PM
It’s one of the things Tiger and I have in common. 

Also, we like banging Chili’s waitresses with impunity.

Chili’s?   He’s a Waffle House loyalist. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on April 06, 2022, 05:58:26 PM
Tiger won’t make the cut.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: SpiderHam on April 06, 2022, 06:19:43 PM
I watched him hitting on the practice tee (On TV, not there this year)
He looks OLD.  He moves like he is OLD.
He is going to get boat raced by these young guys. 
That course is brutal to walk.  He should have come back at Doral if he wanted a nice walk around the course.  The highest point on Doral might be 10 feet. It is a 100 foot drop on 10 alone at Augusta.  There is barely a level lie on the entire course.  Not a good place to have leg trouble.   I don’t see him making the cut.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 06, 2022, 09:51:35 PM
I watched him hitting on the practice tee (On TV, not there this year)
He looks OLD.  He moves like he is OLD.
He is going to get boat raced by these young guys. 
That course is brutal to walk.  He should have come back at Doral if he wanted a nice walk around the course.  The highest point on Doral might be 10 feet. It is a 100 foot drop on 10 alone at Augusta.  There is barely a level lie on the entire course.  Not a good place to have leg trouble.   I don’t see him making the cut.

Other than the fact that the tour doesn’t visit Doral any longer, this is spot on.

All the videos have focused on him on the range or waking downhill on the course. 

What’s he look like hiking UP the fairways on 1, 8 and 18, to mention just a few?   
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogfan58 on April 07, 2022, 08:02:41 AM
Is Eldrick on top of the leaderboard yet?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 10:09:20 AM
Is Eldrick on top of the leaderboard yet?

Soon.  He just hit his opening tee shot.

264 yards and well right. 

Pulled a par out of his ass. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on April 07, 2022, 11:00:51 AM
If he is competitive through 72 it’s an achievement.  Every part of his game is different.  Reading putts.  He can’t get low anymore.  If he wins it puts him with Secretariat at the Belmont.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 11:10:30 AM
If he wins it puts him with Secretariat at the Belmont.

I think Lindsey Vonn and the Waffle House waitresses have already made that comparison.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 07, 2022, 11:33:23 AM
Tiger damn near hole in one on 6
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 11:41:31 AM
Tiger damn near hole in one on 6

Crown his ass!
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hit_that_line on April 07, 2022, 12:29:17 PM
Unraveling now.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on April 07, 2022, 12:36:26 PM
f'ing interent at work. buffering. still waiting on tiger to make that birdie putt.  realstunned
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 07, 2022, 12:38:24 PM
Niemann holed out on 9 from about 150 to take the lead. He's in tigers group.

Tiger bogeyed 8 to drop back to even. Hit his first bad wedge of the day from 50 and left it 5 yards short.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 02:04:11 PM
I will give him credit.  He's scrambling his ass off.    Eventually he may hit a shot bad enough that there isn't an open recovery.

Cam Smith may run and hide with this, anyway.  Double bogey on 1.  And a smooth 6-under on the next 13 holes.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on April 07, 2022, 02:09:03 PM
Tiger would not be playing if he didn't think he could win, he's never been a guy who played just to finish or for show.  It's all or nothing with him.
Remember he won a US Open, in a playoff no less, with two stress fractures and torn ACL. pain is nothing new for this guy.
Yes, he's older but he's also smarter as a result of that experience.
No one know the course like him and no one understands the impact of what he is doing by playing this week.
Yes he has to walk but it's not like he's gonna have to carry his bag too.

he's won the mental battle, can he win the physical one? time will tell.
he's the same age as Jack was when he won his last major right?
it's going to be great theatre.
the only thing better would have been if he and Phil (if he was playing) would have been paired together with Couples.
i don’t see him completing the entire tournament. Now way he’s able to walk all that and not be in a shit ton of pain. And he’s too proud to ask for some handicapable ride or board to assist if they even allowed him
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 07, 2022, 02:35:21 PM
Cameron Smith now 8 birdies in his last 15 holes
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 02:39:45 PM
Cameron Smith now 8 birdies in his last 15 holes

Technically, it's 8 in 12.  Unconscious.

He had three pars after the double bogey on 1.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on April 07, 2022, 02:58:57 PM
Technically, it's 8 in 12.  Unconscious.

He had three pars after the double bogey on 1.

Smith just made a par. HTL believes he is unraveling now.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on April 07, 2022, 03:10:42 PM
Cameron Smith now 8 birdies in his last 15 holes

dude is a birdie machine with some bogeys and such thrown in.

Didn't he have like 12 birdies during his final round at the playas!
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 03:17:40 PM

And then he goes FUBAR on 18. 

Bookended doubles.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 07, 2022, 03:27:24 PM
Eldrick finishes 1 under, currently tied for 9th and 3 off the lead. Helluva lot better than I thought he'd do.

Cameron Smith double bogeyed 18.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DirkPiggler on April 07, 2022, 03:31:18 PM
Holy shit that is one magnificent mullet.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 03:31:20 PM
Eldrick finishes 1 under, currently tied for 9th and 3 off the lead. Helluva lot better than I thought he'd do.


It could've easily been 5-over.  He made pars from everywhere. 

He got some huge breaks like the field goal on 18 that could've gone anywhere.  Way left on 9.   Way left on 14.  I mean three weekend hacker pulls/hooks.  I think people must've kicked his ball into open spots for some of those recoveries.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TC on April 07, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
Holy shit the knob polishing of Tiger by the announcers would make you think he shot a 12 under. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: CrocodileHunter on April 07, 2022, 03:34:53 PM
And he’s too proud to ask for some handicapable ride or board to assist if they even allowed him

Lol
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 03:41:16 PM
Holy shit the knob polishing of Tiger by the announcers would make you think he shot a 12 under.

Are you new to watching golf?

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 07, 2022, 03:42:18 PM
Holy shit the knob polishing of Tiger by the announcers would make you think he shot a 12 under.

A year ago the story was he'd never play professional golf again, so it is kind of a big deal.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on April 07, 2022, 04:13:39 PM
It could've easily been 5-over.  He made pars from everywhere. 

He got some huge breaks like the field goal on 18 that could've gone anywhere.  Way left on 9.   Way left on 14.  I mean three weekend hacker pulls/hooks.  I think people must've kicked his ball into open spots for some of those recoveries.
It is funny. I was thinking that it seems like EVERY time he hits it into the woods, he always seems to have a great lie and wide open shot. I thought the fans must either be dropping a ball for him or making sure it was a “great” shot.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 04:21:36 PM
A year ago the story was he'd never play professional golf again, so it is kind of a big deal.

It absolutely is a big deal.  And he surprised me with how well he played today, for the most part.

But if you've been watching the Golf Channel or reading anything on social media, the excessive coverage is the worst its ever been.  And in his prime it was nauseating.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on April 07, 2022, 04:35:15 PM
It absolutely is a big deal.  And he surprised me with how well he played today, for the most part.

But if you've been watching the Golf Channel or reading anything on social media, the excessive coverage is the worst its ever been.  And in his prime it was nauseating.
And that is what pisses me off about him. You would think he is the only one out there. He could be 15 shots out of the lead on the final day and you would hear very little about the leader. And every shot he makes, nobody else could make. Then when the next 10 guys make the same shot or better, it is meh..
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on April 07, 2022, 05:28:43 PM
And that is what pisses me off about him. You would think he is the only one out there. He could be 15 shots out of the lead on the final day and you would hear very little about the leader. And every shot he makes, nobody else could make. Then when the next 10 guys make the same shot or better, it is meh..

I must watch different broadcasts than you guys do. Do they cover him more than others? Yes. Is that because people tune in just to watch him? Yes. Do they not cover the leader? No.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 05:36:10 PM
I must watch different broadcasts than you guys do. Do they cover him more than others? Yes. Is that because people tune in just to watch him? Yes. Do they not cover the leader? No.

Case in point. They went to the break saying Webb Simpson is one under and tied for 10th. With Tiger Woods! There are currently nine other people at one under as well. That was not mentioned.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on April 07, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Case in point. They went to the break saying Webb Simpson is one under and tied for 10th. With Tiger Woods! There are currently nine other people at one under as well. That was not mentioned.

Did Tiger touch you in the dirty place? Did you used to work at a waffle house?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 07, 2022, 08:46:48 PM
Did Tiger touch you in the dirty place? Did you used to work at a waffle house?

Do you like Duke basketball?

Why or why not?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hawgfanatic on April 07, 2022, 10:29:03 PM
Do you like Duke basketball?

Why or why not?

Duke basketball in no way did for basketball what tiger did for golf. I don't think there's anything even remotely close to compare what tiger did for golf. Does it get annoying and does it go over the top sometimes? Sure. But take a step back - ratings are much higher when he's in contention. The money is insane because of what he did for golf. So yeah, they are going to show him a lot. He's kind of earned it.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on April 07, 2022, 11:28:46 PM
Tiger is the big story right now.  Wonder how he will feel and play tomorrow.  I have never been there, but everyone says that course is brutal to walk. Can’t see how he can make 4 days.  And frankly, by the end of the day tomorrow, he will know one way or the other.  And if he knows he can’t make it, he should withdraw.  Open up one more spot for someone to play the last two days.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TC on April 07, 2022, 11:30:41 PM
Are you new to watching golf?

Not really.  Is it some old rich man badge of honor if I say I watch the most?

Its a dumb game.  I do like watching Tiger though.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on April 08, 2022, 12:53:02 AM
Case in point. They went to the break saying Webb Simpson is one under and tied for 10th. With Tiger Woods! There are currently nine other people at one under as well. That was not mentioned.
It’s a conspiracy.  Just admit you hate Tiger because he is black.  Or is it because you can’t abide such a dominating athlete.  You probably cheered when Secretariat died.  Think Bill Belichick is a cheater.

Tiger is the most dominating athlete outside of Secretariat.  It’s talent and relentless hard work.  He has pushed through pain and injury.  He has been great for golf.  It will suck when he hangs them up.  I don’t think he’ll win but I would like to see it.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on April 08, 2022, 06:05:08 AM
What a great sports weekend.

Opening weekend, the Masters, and beating the shit out of Florida.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 08, 2022, 08:54:58 AM
What a great sports weekend.

Opening weekend, the Masters, and beating the shit out of Florida.

and the australian grand prix.  set your dvr, it airs live saturday night at midnight.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on April 08, 2022, 11:00:43 AM
And if he knows he can’t make it, he should withdraw.  Open up one more spot for someone to play the last two days.

That's not how the cut works. If he withdraws, no one takes his spot.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on April 08, 2022, 11:29:48 AM
That's not how the cut works. If he withdraws, no one takes his spot.

If it is Top 50 and ties, it could happen that someone else could move up if he WDs.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 08, 2022, 11:50:52 AM
I love golf but the cramming of him down our throats is what I don’t like.  It’s all about ratings though and money talks and I completely understand how he “moves the needle”.

His recovery from that wreck is remarkable though.  He has worked hard to even walk much less shoot -1 at Augusta.

I absolutely fucking despise what he put his family through with his inability to control his dick and ego.  He has damn sure paid the price for that one though.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on April 08, 2022, 12:12:05 PM
I love golf but the cramming of him down our throats is what I don’t like.  It’s all about ratings though and money talks and I completely understand how he “moves the needle”.

His recovery from that wreck is remarkable though.  He has worked hard to even walk much less shoot -1 at Augusta.

I absolutely fucking despise what he put his family through with his inability to control his dick and ego.  He has damn sure paid the price for that one though.
all of this. I’d like to see someone else win. I don’t give af about tiger woods…this asshole was probably under the influence of something when he crashed and yet nobody tested him because he’s tiger.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 08, 2022, 01:10:37 PM
That wind today is wicked.  Schwarzel is happy to be indoors right now I bet.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on April 08, 2022, 01:40:37 PM
That wind today is wicked.  Schwarzel is happy to be indoors right now I bet.

Rough start for Tiger
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 08, 2022, 02:08:40 PM
It’s a conspiracy.  Just admit you hate Tiger because he is black.  Or is it because you can’t abide such a dominating athlete.  You probably cheered when Secretariat died.  Think Bill Belichick is a cheater.

Tiger is the most dominating athlete outside of Secretariat.  It’s talent and relentless hard work.  He has pushed through pain and injury.  He has been great for golf.  It will suck when he hangs them up.  I don’t think he’ll win but I would like to see it.

I won't dignify your second sentence.   So I shouldn't dignify any of them, but they are all so ludicrous.

The third is somewhat fair because I tend to be a fan of the underdog (Razorbacks, anyone?).  But I can and do respect his skill and accomplishments.

I was 3 when Secretariat died, so...no.  And I never get tired of watching all of his Triple Crown wins in old videos.

Belichick transformed an organization, but I'm a Dolphins fan so obviously I don't like him (but don't think he's a cheater).



I love golf but the cramming of him down our throats is what I don’t like.  It’s all about ratings though and money talks and I completely understand how he “moves the needle”.

His recovery from that wreck is remarkable though.  He has worked hard to even walk much less shoot -1 at Augusta.

I absolutely fucking despise what he put his family through with his inability to control his dick and ego.  He has damn sure paid the price for that one though.

Exactly this.  No matter what some try to assume are my feelings, which I've consistently stated.

I don't need Tiger to move the needle.  I watched golf long before him and will long after.   

The party line toers on Golf Channel last night piled one of the analysts, Paul McGinley, because he dared try to infuse some realism in that there was still a long way to go in this tournament.  The other guys wouldn't hear it.  To them, Tiger had everyone where he wanted them.




Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on April 08, 2022, 05:54:22 PM
Tiger sure looked tired walking from the 18th green to the Clubhouse.  Like him or not, you have to admit he’s a gutsy, determined SOB.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: papermill on April 08, 2022, 06:49:27 PM
Tiger sure looked tired walking from the 18th green to the Clubhouse.  Like him or not, you have to admit he’s a gutsy, determined SOB.

and let's step back and remember - it is just golf
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on April 08, 2022, 06:56:06 PM
and let's step back and remember - it is just golf
The man nearly lost his leg; a few years ago he would have.  Most of us would have a challenge just walking that track; it has far more elevation changes than evidenced on tv.  And if you’ve ever been around a pro golfer, the amount of power they exert on every stroke is way more than any hacker.  So I’m mighty impressed with his recovery and the stresses he is inflicting on himself.  Most of us wouldn’t have even thought about showing up.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Animal Chin on April 08, 2022, 07:56:52 PM
Tiger, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but Ben Hogan had the greatest car wreck of all time!  OF ALL TIME!!!
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on April 08, 2022, 08:40:57 PM
Tiger, I'm really happy for you and imma let you finish, but Ben Hogan had the greatest car wreck of all time!  OF ALL TIME!!!

No doubt about that. I like your turkey call in your avatar. Looks familiar.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on April 08, 2022, 10:27:41 PM
Well he made it for two days.  At this point, I really hope he makes it all 4.  I would hate to  see him drop out tomorrow, and think that he cost someone else to miss the cut.  May not happen, because of the way they are doing the cut.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: CrocodileHunter on April 08, 2022, 10:33:23 PM
Well he made it for two days.  At this point, I really hope he makes it all 4.  I would hate to  see him drop out tomorrow, and think that he cost someone else to miss the cut.  May not happen, because of the way they are doing the cut.
He didn’t cause anyone to miss the cut.  Tiger is T19. The top 40 and ties made the cut. If he “drops out” tomorrow he still didn’t cause anyone to miss the cut.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogfan58 on April 09, 2022, 04:33:06 PM
Eldrick 3 putts 18 and as he walks off, CBS doesn't show his score card for his round or his score for the tournament. We're supposed to guess.
They do it for every other player as they finish a hole. His glutes must not have fired today.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 09, 2022, 04:33:18 PM
It has been a valiant effort by Tiger but he appeared so worn down today and looked to have lost some focus on the greens because of it.   I didn't count but it was probably in the mid- to high-30s in putts.


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 09, 2022, 04:37:26 PM
The Golf Channel and especially ESPN won’t know what to do with their programming tonight.

They may have to fill in with old Shell Golf series episodes since the lead for Scheffler is so big and Eldrick is gone from contention.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 09, 2022, 04:40:05 PM
The Golf Channel and especially ESPN won’t know what to do with their programming tonight.

They may have to fill in with old Shell Golf series episodes since the lead for Scheffler is so big and Eldrick is gone from contention.

Maybe what we will see will be a little more coverage of the players in contention.

I wouldn't go that far.  Unless he withdraws, his every shot will be seen again tomorrow.  He's only 18 behind, so you never know what might happen.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 09, 2022, 04:49:55 PM
Scheffler with the trouble on 12.  He was -2 the first two rounds there.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 09, 2022, 04:56:49 PM
We've got ourselves a ballgame now!

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 09, 2022, 05:05:24 PM
Maybe not.

This dopey Longhorn is unflappable.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 09, 2022, 05:06:21 PM
Maybe not.

This dopey Longhorn is unflappable.

I didn’t know there was a Fred Akers sighting ….
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 09, 2022, 05:42:44 PM
Cameron Smith looks like he should be wearing a Judas Priest sleeveless shirt and drinking a Natty at the Municipal Auditorium parking lot circa 81’
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 09, 2022, 08:31:41 PM
Cameron Smith looks like he should be wearing a Judas Priest sleeveless shirt and drinking a Natty at the Municipal Auditorium parking lot circa 81’

All I know is they should call him The Surgeon for the way he carves up the place with the flat blade in his hands. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: BASS on April 10, 2022, 11:10:01 AM
Cameron Smith looks like he should be wearing a Judas Priest sleeveless shirt and drinking a Natty at the Municipal Auditorium parking lot circa 81’

between the mullett, the stache, and the big ears, my girlfriend dubbed him 80's porn elf.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogfan58 on April 10, 2022, 01:06:27 PM
Eldrick at +10 so CBS shows him right at the top of the broadcast
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 10, 2022, 01:41:14 PM
Here we go.  Should be fun.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 10, 2022, 01:59:53 PM
Thank Allah.   At least now we can watch the competitive part of the tournament.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on April 10, 2022, 02:09:22 PM
Thank Allah.   At least now we can watch the competitive part of the tournament.
Not so fast my friend.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on April 10, 2022, 02:15:34 PM
Finau is +6. How dare they show that eagle putt. They should only show Scheffler walking the course.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: SpiderHam on April 10, 2022, 02:21:07 PM
We will get to see Tiger walking bravely up 18 between every shot of the leaders the rest of the day. :suicide:
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogfan58 on April 10, 2022, 02:35:07 PM
Eldrick seeing his mom and kids after signing his scorecard, how touching. You would think he’s never going to play in a tournament ever again.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 10, 2022, 02:37:32 PM
Finau is +6. How dare they show that eagle putt. They should only show Scheffler walking the course.

Key difference:  eagle putt.   Not a slog of pars and bogeys.

If I was a Tiger fan, I’d prefer they show him when he’s playing well.   That was painful in more than one way.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 10, 2022, 02:39:26 PM
And Scheffler gets ANOTHER huge break being able to drop away from the trees.  Then he holes the miracle shot on a ball zooming along until the cup got in the way. 

Those kinds of things are what win things like this. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 10, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
If Rory can go 6 MORE under on the last 5, he has a chance. 

That would be a 59.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on April 10, 2022, 05:04:34 PM
Smith derailed at 12 he’s scrambling hard now .

That double eagles on 13  and chip ins on 18 from Rory and Morikawa was great theater.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 10, 2022, 05:26:38 PM
So much anticlimax.

Big Dopey Longhorn gonna win.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TC on April 10, 2022, 06:24:26 PM
That was a flawless round.  No one was catching him today.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 10, 2022, 06:35:02 PM
That was a flawless round.  No one was catching him today.

Flawless?  Really?

Your second sentence is accurate.   

It all hinged on that third hole.  That was at least a three shot swing based on where their tee shots went. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: papermill on April 10, 2022, 06:53:18 PM
Finally, one of these guys at the end played like I do on one of those damn putt putt holes with a shelf.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TC on April 10, 2022, 07:57:59 PM
Flawless?  Really?

Your second sentence is accurate.   

It all hinged on that third hole.  That was at least a three shot swing based on where their tee shots went.

Okay how about "nearly" flawless since I guess we're splitting hairs now.  4 birdies and a bogey not including 18 when he was already in the clubhouse in his head was a round anyone will take on Sunday.

And since we're getting super duper technical, no, it didnt all hinge on the shot on the 3rd. He made a couple of great par saving putts that were as big if not bigger.  His outs from missed tee shots were also "near" flawless as well.

A nice $2.7 mill for 4 days of work aint bad.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on April 10, 2022, 08:17:05 PM
he's won 4 tournaments this season and $10 million playing 13 events. That's impressive.

the most won in a year - 2015 — Jordan Spieth, $12,030,465

he's already exceeded last year's money leader for the entire 2021 season - 2021 — Jon Rahm, $7,705,933 - how nuts is that.

he's gonna shatter that record.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 10, 2022, 08:53:25 PM
Okay how about "nearly" flawless since I guess we're splitting hairs now.  4 birdies and a bogey not including 18 when he was already in the clubhouse in his head was a round anyone will take on Sunday.

And since we're getting super duper technical, no, it didnt all hinge on the shot on the 3rd. He made a couple of great par saving putts that were as big if not bigger.  His outs from missed tee shots were also "near" flawless as well.

A nice $2.7 mill for 4 days of work aint bad.

The third hole was enormous.  Smith had cut it to one.  He hit an awful tee shot that was fortunate to end up behind the obstruction that allowed the drop into a wide open look at the green.   The pitch for birdie likely winds up 10-15 feet past the hole if it hadn’t banged the pin and they probably both would’ve bogeyed. 

He deserved to win.  No question.  But that was the type of huge break that is pivotal for an ultimate champion.




Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: SpiderHam on April 10, 2022, 09:28:03 PM
He won it with his short game.  He was spraying it around at first and the short game kept him in it.  Smith's meltdown on 12 sealed his doom.  Rory just started too far back.  Impressive win minus the meaningless 3 putt on 18. 
He is on fire in 2022.  All the pros said, "watch out when this kid starts winning". 
He won 2/3 of all the 130 or so Jr tournaments he entered.  Not top 10, won.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Rocket_City_Hawg on April 10, 2022, 09:50:04 PM
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Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TC on April 10, 2022, 10:07:25 PM
The third hole was enormous.  Smith had cut it to one.  He hit an awful tee shot that was fortunate to end up behind the obstruction that allowed the drop into a wide open look at the green.   The pitch for birdie likely winds up 10-15 feet past the hole if it hadn’t banged the pin and they probably both would’ve bogeyed. 

He deserved to win.  No question.  But that was the type of huge break that is pivotal for an ultimate champion.

Then Smith was back to even after 4 after 2 boges.  So much for the challenge.  It looked like there was a chance to get back after 10 & 11, where Smith started the late close, but...12.
Part of me wishes Smith doesnt hit that shot fat, because that might've made for some great golf.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: allswell on April 10, 2022, 11:11:00 PM
Smith derailed at 12 he’s scrambling hard now .

That double eagles on 13  and chip ins on 18 from Rory and Morikawa was great theater.

two timelesss masters tips from past champs - if i ever hit my 2nd shot onto the green on #11, i've pulled it - ben hogan.
the only goal on #12 is to clear front bunker, 2-putt for par and get ouuta there - jack nicklaus.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hogworth Ballington III on April 11, 2022, 07:19:25 AM
I'll never be able to understand why people think golf is interesting, let alone entertaining. Worse than soccer.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Show-Me Hog on April 11, 2022, 08:15:15 AM
I'll never be able to understand why people think golf is interesting, let alone entertaining. Worse than soccer.

Because most people (in our demographic) play golf and can put themselves, in their mind's eye, in the exact situation facing the pro in each shot, and really feel it in their bones. Personal relation.  It's the same reason I like baseball, which is deadly boring. From my many years of playing, I can still feel a swing when you get really good contact, or the rush of throwing a perfect strike on the outside corner. But on TV baseball is horribly boring.

Smith. If I saw him in the parking lot after the round, I would definitely think he was a homeless beggar about to hit me up. Dude looks horrible and need a makeover.

Also, going into the last hole he was T-3 at -5 and was not going to catch the leader. I wish the announcers had told us how much $$ it meant to him to move solo into third, or to stay tied, or to fall to fourth. It had to be probably a 100,000 or 200,000 swing each way. That was the real meaning of that hole, to him. Talk about interesting.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 11, 2022, 08:18:10 AM
Then Smith was back to even after 4 after 2 boges.  So much for the challenge.  It looked like there was a chance to get back after 10 & 11, where Smith started the late close, but...12.
Part of me wishes Smith doesnt hit that shot fat, because that might've made for some great golf.

Having slept on it, I realize I overstated the importance of that hole to the day overall.  At the time it happened, it was huge.  And getting the drop obviously saved him at least one shot.  It was certainly not the only reason he won, because he still had to and did play great afterward.

Smith’s shot on 12 was really unfortunate.  He’d just made that incredible approach and birdie on 11 and it looked to be game on.   I was happy for him to get the two late birdies to regain some of the lost ground.


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Show-Me Hog on April 11, 2022, 09:02:11 AM
Answering my own question, and I’m a little surprised at how spot on I was.  A $150,000 hole is indeed interesting:

3rd place alone: 1,020,000

4th place alone: 720,000

Splitting: 870,000 each (this is where Smith stayed with a par)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TC on April 11, 2022, 10:09:34 AM
Having slept on it, I realize I overstated the importance of that hole to the day overall.  At the time it happened, it was huge.  And getting the drop obviously saved him at least one shot.  It was certainly not the only reason he won, because he still had to and did play great afterward.

Smith’s shot on 12 was really unfortunate.  He’d just made that incredible approach and birdie on 11 and it looked to be game on.   I was happy for him to get the two late birdies to regain some of the lost ground.

It's also possible that with how clutch that shot was, it fucked with Smith's head and was part of the bogies on 3 & 4. Maybe, maybe not.  I will say as someone who is not a fan of the game, that is one of the more interesting aspects of it; that being the mental game. 

The ball doesn't move, there's no one defending it, or trying to keep it out of the goal.  The only difference between the practice swing and the contact swing is that you're 3 inches closer to the ball.  It really should be the easiest game in the world to play, but it's not.  And as someone who is not a fan of the game, I can appreciate the mental toughness it takes to win a Major.  These guys weren't even carrying their own bags.  They were just walking 18 holes with lots of breaks to stop.  Yet watching them walk off of 18 you'd think they had just been thru a physical battle.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 11, 2022, 11:46:20 AM
Answering my own question, and I’m a little surprised at how spot on I was.  A $150,000 hole is indeed interesting:

3rd place alone: 1,020,000

4th place alone: 720,000

Splitting: 870,000 each (this is where Smith stayed with a par)

He just won $3.6 million at The Players Championship last month.  The money didn't mean that much to him.


It's also possible that with how clutch that shot was, it fucked with Smith's head and was part of the bogies on 3 & 4. Maybe, maybe not.  I will say as someone who is not a fan of the game, that is one of the more interesting aspects of it; that being the mental game. 

The ball doesn't move, there's no one defending it, or trying to keep it out of the goal.  The only difference between the practice swing and the contact swing is that you're 3 inches closer to the ball.  It really should be the easiest game in the world to play, but it's not.  And as someone who is not a fan of the game, I can appreciate the mental toughness it takes to win a Major.  These guys weren't even carrying their own bags.  They were just walking 18 holes with lots of breaks to stop.  Yet watching them walk off of 18 you'd think they had just been thru a physical battle.

Well yeah.  The head fuckery is why I was so locked onto that as a factor in the outcome.   Smith had a decided advantage for the second shot, then he duffed his right next to Scheffler.  Then Scheffler's good pitch shot that was humming along, crashed into the pin and fell in the hole.  Complete gut punch.


As for it being easy, the great Winston Churchill said it best...

"“Golf is a game whose aim is to hit a very small ball into an ever smaller hole, with weapons singularly ill-designed for the purpose.”
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on April 12, 2022, 09:17:40 AM
I don't know where else to put this and most won't care about it but this is a great piece on Will Wilcox.  Obviously he's not a super well known player but this is an amazing story and I hope it ends up well for him.

https://firepitcollective.com/willy-wilcox/
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogslobber on May 17, 2022, 09:22:24 AM
https://sportsbook.betsaracen.com/en-us/sports/golf/competition/pga-championship-2022?id=205337

Big golf tournament this weekend in Tulsa.

Who are you playing ?

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on May 17, 2022, 09:50:45 AM
https://sportsbook.betsaracen.com/en-us/sports/golf/competition/pga-championship-2022?id=205337

Big golf tournament this weekend in Tulsa.

Who are you playing ?

Haven't looked at the odds, but hard to bet against Scottie Scheffler.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hizhog on May 17, 2022, 08:46:54 PM
Pretty sure whoever Phil bets on probably won’t win.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 18, 2022, 09:29:28 PM
Feels like it's Spieth's time to win the career grand slam.  He's been trending and can pull of some of his wizardry on that course.

Or Rory gets back in major-winning form.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: papermill on May 18, 2022, 09:34:57 PM
rolling through the channels, stopped on "Live at the PGA" on the golf channel, during commercial, for shits & grins wondered how like before I saw Tiger. came back to him out of the break
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: CardHog on May 19, 2022, 07:35:10 AM
Daly birdies the 1st hole to take sole possession of the lead.    :stache:
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 19, 2022, 11:34:55 AM
Daly hanging in there. 

Tiger is not.  But as usual, every fart is broadcast. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 19, 2022, 01:33:02 PM
Daly hanging in there. 

Tiger is not.  But as usual, every fart is broadcast.
He was grimacing on his last few shots like his back was going out again. I look for him to withdraw tomorrow if he starts out shitting the bed.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 19, 2022, 04:25:09 PM
It drives me crazy that the same “experts” completely reverse course in a matter of about 12 hours.  The guy who “only shows up if he thinks he’s going to win” is suddenly described in the same realistic terms as some of us see him beforehand.  He’s a 47-year-old dude struggling   through lingering issues from at least a half dozen MAJOR surgeries to his mid-to-lower body, playing a sport that heavily depends on those body parts being in good working condition. 

It’s not an indictment on his character or grit or any superlatives that defined the vast majority of his career.  It’s just reality.  Age is and will always remain undefeated.   



Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: uagrad2007 on May 19, 2022, 04:47:42 PM
Daly hanging in there. 

Tiger is not.  But as usual, every fart is broadcast.

pagtour.com has 6 stories with videos at the top of the page.  3 of them are about Tiger.  They are already trying to make excuses.  One of the stories is about him having new irons and wedges in his bag.  He's currently tied for 117 in the tournament, but he's half of the stories at the top of their page.  I'm so ready for him to retire and never play again.   :thumbdown:
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on May 19, 2022, 07:50:41 PM
Our guy
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 19, 2022, 09:11:07 PM
It’s funny and sad at the same time. 

He could’ve won half a dozen majors. 

And I’m not hating on him.  We all have our demons. 

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogfan58 on May 20, 2022, 09:23:00 AM
pagtour.com has 6 stories with videos at the top of the page.  3 of them are about Tiger.  They are already trying to make excuses.  One of the stories is about him having new irons and wedges in his bag.  He's currently tied for 117 in the tournament, but he's half of the stories at the top of their page.  I'm so ready for him to retire and never play again.   :thumbdown:

But a couple weeks before The Open the articles will start coming out about how great Eldrick feels and how the course sets up well for him, how he "knows how to play it". Then either the wind or rain or both with fuck him up and the excuses will start.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on May 20, 2022, 11:46:14 AM
It’s funny and sad at the same time. 

He could’ve won half a dozen majors. 

And I’m not hating on him.  We all have our demons.

this - dude had won 2 majors at age 29 - a rare feat back then

1995 season -
Became youngest active player on TOUR with two major championship titles and fourth American at the time since World War II to win two majors before his 30th birthday, joining Jack Nicklaus, Tom Watson and Johnny Miller. <- pretty good company to be in right there.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 20, 2022, 12:23:15 PM
Almost halfway through Round 2 and there will be certain exits for some big names...

Patrick Cantlay +11 - not sure what's going on with him, maybe an injury he's trying to play through

Daniel Berger +9 - head case issues; he contends regularly and wins occasionally but stinks in the majors

Corey Conners +8 - maybe doesn't fit the "big name" category but he's been on the rise and started to contend at the majors; probably the biggest surprise of these because he's so consistent

Dustin Johnson +8 - maybe he's back on the powder; maybe it's too much honeymoon pussy

Tiger Woods +4 - hasn't started yet today, but come on...



Both Scheffler and Morikawa are approaching the cut line, and the weather is supposed to keep getting better than it is right now.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 20, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
Almost halfway through Round 2 and there will be certain exits for some big names...

Patrick Cantlay +11 - not sure what's going on with him, maybe an injury he's trying to play through

Daniel Berger +9 - head case issues; he contends regularly and wins occasionally but stinks in the majors

Corey Conners +8 - maybe doesn't fit the "big name" category but he's been on the rise and started to contend at the majors; probably the biggest surprise of these because he's so consistent

Dustin Johnson +8 - maybe he's back on the powder; maybe it's too much honeymoon pussy

Tiger Woods +4 - hasn't started yet today, but come on...



Both Scheffler and Morikawa are approaching the cut line, and the weather is supposed to keep getting better than it is right now.
I could do without the BS crew on the split screen. They never talk about the players that are playing in front of them.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 20, 2022, 01:15:47 PM
 :notexas: Scottie just doubled his last hole to go to +6.   That's currently tied for 105th place.   It's hard to imagine the cut going that high.  My guess is that it will be around +4.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 20, 2022, 01:21:18 PM
:notexas: Scottie just doubled his last hole to go to +6.   That's currently tied for 105th place.   It's hard to imagine the cut going that high.  My guess is that it will be around +4.
Probably be wherever Tiwoo ends up.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hogworth Ballington III on May 20, 2022, 01:22:48 PM
https://twitter.com/Daniel_Rapaport/status/1527459003936256000?s=20&t=wpYsABSp3RjuromObLtfcg
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on May 20, 2022, 01:42:17 PM
Incredible round from JT today in that wind.  Surgical
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 20, 2022, 01:51:15 PM
It's just amazing the way they fluff Tiger.

After banana slicing his first tee shot into the rough, Duval said it would be an amazing recovery to just get the second shot on the green.  He did, about 50 feet from the hole. 

What wasn't said was he used a sand wedge and that green is probably the largest on the course.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on May 20, 2022, 01:56:40 PM
There are 16 posts on this page. Eight of them mention Tiger. It appears WooPig is obsessed with him also.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 20, 2022, 01:58:39 PM
There are 16 posts on this page. Eight of them mention Tiger. It appears WooPig is obsessed with him also.

You clearly aren't watching. 


I will admit to being obsessed with hoping he shoots 80 every round because then I can at least enjoy the weekend coverage of players who are actually in contention.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on May 20, 2022, 01:59:39 PM
Sage Steel got nailed by errant drive yesterday.   :portishead:

https://www.outkick.com/sage-steele-hit-by-tee-shot-at-pga-championship/ (https://www.outkick.com/sage-steele-hit-by-tee-shot-at-pga-championship/)

Embattled ESPN anchor Sage Steele was taken to a Tulsa hospital on Thursday after she was hit by a tee shot while watching the PGA Championship as a media spectator.

On the third hole on Thursday, Jon Rahm’s tee shot hooked wide left and hit Steele at reportedly 181 MPH.

Golf writer Geoff Shackelford describes watching the incident unfold in real time:

“I was standing behind the tee when Rahm hit a hard hook into the left trees. He immediately yelled ‘Fore Left!’ and aggressively waved his arm pointing left. The impact must have been brutal: Rahm’s tee shot ended up in the center of the fairway.”

Brutal, indeed. Shackelford also relayed that Steele was “on the ground, holding her nose, mouth or chin area” with blood all over her hands.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on May 20, 2022, 02:00:59 PM
You clearly aren't watching. 


I will admit to being obsessed with hoping he shoots 80 every round because then I can at least enjoy the weekend coverage of players who are actually in contention.

10 out of 17.  ;D ;D ;D

Edit: Nobody said there would be math.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 20, 2022, 02:16:23 PM
Sage Steel got nailed by errant drive yesterday.   :portishead:

https://www.outkick.com/sage-steele-hit-by-tee-shot-at-pga-championship/ (https://www.outkick.com/sage-steele-hit-by-tee-shot-at-pga-championship/)

Embattled ESPN anchor Sage Steele was taken to a Tulsa hospital on Thursday after she was hit by a tee shot while watching the PGA Championship as a media spectator.

On the third hole on Thursday, Jon Rahm’s tee shot hooked wide left and hit Steele at reportedly 181 MPH.

Golf writer Geoff Shackelford describes watching the incident unfold in real time:

“I was standing behind the tee when Rahm hit a hard hook into the left trees. He immediately yelled ‘Fore Left!’ and aggressively waved his arm pointing left. The impact must have been brutal: Rahm’s tee shot ended up in the center of the fairway.”

Brutal, indeed. Shackelford also relayed that Steele was “on the ground, holding her nose, mouth or chin area” with blood all over her hands.


I guess she WILL be silenced after all. 


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on May 20, 2022, 10:00:00 PM
Will be interesting to see if Zalatoris can keep cooking.  He hit some great approach shots today.

Bubba Watson was wedging his way up too.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 20, 2022, 11:39:21 PM
Willy Z will go as far as his putter takes him.  So far that has been way better than at any other time in his career.  He’s made a setup adjustment just this week that is definitely working. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 09:17:42 AM
This may be the stat of the day…

https://twitter.com/dylan_dethier/status/1528013755275157504?s=21&t=SeB491AEN5uJIi_a75EFyg

“Shaun Norris is 40 years old. He has 538 Twitter followers. In his career he has made two cuts at majors. And both times he has been paired with Tiger Woods.”
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 21, 2022, 12:04:46 PM
Woods is +13 and they start the day off interviewing him. And, let’s show his every move….
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogfan58 on May 21, 2022, 12:13:12 PM
So making cuts in majors is what Eldrick has been reduced to? He might as well be an honorary starter at the Masters. I can't believe people tune in to watch him hack his way around a course to shoot 20-something over. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogsrunwild on May 21, 2022, 12:30:03 PM
Sage Steel got nailed by errant drive yesterday.   :portishead:

https://www.outkick.com/sage-steele-hit-by-tee-shot-at-pga-championship/ (https://www.outkick.com/sage-steele-hit-by-tee-shot-at-pga-championship/)

Embattled ESPN anchor Sage Steele was taken to a Tulsa hospital on Thursday after she was hit by a tee shot while watching the PGA Championship as a media spectator.

On the third hole on Thursday, Jon Rahm’s tee shot hooked wide left and hit Steele at reportedly 181 MPH.

Golf writer Geoff Shackelford describes watching the incident unfold in real time:

“I was standing behind the tee when Rahm hit a hard hook into the left trees. He immediately yelled ‘Fore Left!’ and aggressively waved his arm pointing left. The impact must have been brutal: Rahm’s tee shot ended up in the center of the fairway.”

Brutal, indeed. Shackelford also relayed that Steele was “on the ground, holding her nose, mouth or chin area” with blood all over her hands.
He rasis!
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Vito Porkleone on May 21, 2022, 01:02:17 PM
Woods is +13 and they start the day off interviewing him. And, let’s show his every move….

So who the fuck do you want to see?  The leaders don't tee off for an hour.  If you have ESPN+, you can watch any group you want practically.

Do you not remember televised golf in the 80's?  We were subjected to watching Nicklaus walk around for an hour before he hit a putt...  While he was 15 strokes back.  Nothing has changed. 

So the biggest gallery at the course is following a guy who's 20 shots back.  You bitching at them too?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 21, 2022, 01:07:31 PM
So who the fuck do you want to see?  The leaders don't tee off for an hour.  If you have ESPN+, you can watch any group you want practically.

Do you not remember televised golf in the 80's?  We were subjected to watching Nicklaus walk around for an hour before he hit a putt...  While he was 15 strokes back.  Nothing has changed. 

So the biggest gallery at the course is following a guy who's 20 shots back.  You bitching at them too?
Just tired of all,the hoopla for a guy 21 shots back. And you don’t have to be a dick. Or maybe you do.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 01:07:49 PM
So who the fuck do you want to see?  The leaders don't tee off for an hour.  If you have ESPN+, you can watch any group you want practically.

Do you not remember televised golf in the 80's?  We were subjected to watching Nicklaus walk around for an hour before he hit a putt...  While he was 15 strokes back.  Nothing has changed. 

So the biggest gallery at the course is following a guy who's 20 shots back.  You bitching at them too?

I pity those gallery people. 

There are plenty of highly ranked players way ahead of him and they get zero coverage. 

Tiger is also in a featured streaming group for those who want to froth over his double bogeys.    Don’t subject the rest of us to it. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Vito Porkleone on May 21, 2022, 01:22:14 PM
Just tired of all,the hoopla for a guy 21 shots back. And you don’t have to be a dick. Or maybe you do.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but you guys should give it a rest.  We just went through these same takes a month ago. 

Coverage started at 9AM this morning.  Who did you really think they were going to show? 

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on May 21, 2022, 01:27:33 PM
Used to the they only started live coverage at 2pm as the last 3 groups teed off.

It was not that long ago we never saw the front nine live at Augusta

They do have to fill time with someone.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 01:29:15 PM
They have LOTS of someones to fill time with.  Just mix it up.   They showed every single one of his 79 strokes.   

We can’t give it a rest.  There’s nothing else shown so nothing else to talk about. 


On the bright side, he will play even earlier tomorrow so he will be out of the way for the real contenders. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on May 21, 2022, 01:43:26 PM
Woman with a Razorback rain poncho got some air time.  Ian Baker Finch commented on the “Arkansas Hogs” and then immediately segued to the Arkansas river being close by and running through Tulsa.

And of course, since it’s in Tulsas there was the obligatory segment on the Tulsa race riots of one hundred ears ago.  Jim Nantz commented that the Greenwood district was “continuing to rebuild” from the damage done by the riots.  One hundred years…lol.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 01:48:12 PM
Woman with a Razorback rain poncho got some air time.  Ian Baker Finch commented on the “Arkansas Hogs” and then immediately segued to the Arkansas river being close by and running through Tulsa.

And of course, since it’s in Tulsas there was the obligatory segment on the Tulsa race riots of one hundred ears ago.  Jim Nantz commented that the Greenwood district was “continuing to rebuild” from the damage done by the riots.  One hundred years…lol.

Chad Morris must be construction foreman.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on May 21, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
They have LOTS of someones to fill time with.  Just mix it up.   They showed every single one of his 79 strokes.   

We can’t give it a rest.  There’s nothing else shown so nothing else to talk about. 


On the bright side, he will play even earlier tomorrow so he will be out of the way for the real contenders.

You and SOS are approaching HTL - Elon Musk territory.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 21, 2022, 03:27:40 PM
You and SOS are approaching HTL - Elon Musk territory.
I am independently wealthy but not THAT independently wealthy.😀
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 03:41:09 PM
I am independently wealthy but not THAT independently wealthy.😀

Same.  But much better looking.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 04:16:25 PM
Pereira coming back to earth a bit.   Letting some others back in.   Bubba may be the guy to beat.   

Thomas can’t putt and McIlroy is starting to mentally fade. 
Title: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on May 21, 2022, 04:47:35 PM
Interesting as the come down the back nine on Saturday, non one taking charge. Pereira leaking some oil and facing a long par putt on 12. 4th bogey in last 5 [emoji3063]

Southern Hills is winning

Bubba just hit a sage Steele tee shot
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 04:52:11 PM
Zalatoris can’t hit a fairway.  He’s otherwise settled down. 

Rory has gone full basket case. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on May 21, 2022, 08:31:15 PM
WooPig can celebrate. Tiger has withdrawn.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 21, 2022, 09:19:33 PM
WooPig can celebrate. Tiger has withdrawn.
Who didn’t see that coming…..
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on May 21, 2022, 09:45:05 PM
Who didn’t see that coming…..

I didn’t see it coming, even though he was clearly hurting.  Thought he would hang on for martyr status.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: papermill on May 21, 2022, 09:47:19 PM
WooPig can celebrate. Tiger has withdrawn.

Don't be sad.  They have lots and lots of his shots from today that they can replay tomorrow.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 21, 2022, 10:20:16 PM
WooPig can celebrate. Tiger has withdrawn.

He’s such a quitter. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: HughJasole on May 21, 2022, 10:31:56 PM
I'm leaning Fitzpatrick tomorrow.

Only player in the 60s all three days.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogfan58 on May 22, 2022, 07:46:42 AM
Who didn’t see that coming…..

Eldrick says that the quick turnaround from the late tee time Fri/early tee time Sat and the cooler temps on Sat really didn't help him, but he's committed to playing at St. Andrews because "its one of his favorite courses in the world". I wonder what the odds are that he gets a late tee time Fri, barely makes the cut, thus gets an early tee time Sat and what is the weather like in Scotland? And if he hits it in the hay and has to muscle and tork his body to get the ball out of that stuff, no way he makes it all 4 rounds. But he's a gamer!
Title: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on May 22, 2022, 05:10:18 PM
This is a roller coaster final round.

Pereira not making it easy on himself.

Justin Thomas may back door this and nance will loose his [emoji90] cause the tiger connection

Pereira makes a big balls par putt on 16, everyone else missed that left today
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Son_of_Spam on May 22, 2022, 05:35:19 PM
Pereira just screwed the pooch.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on May 22, 2022, 05:36:00 PM
Pereira just screwed the pooch.
Wow, why not go 3 wood and be safe??
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on May 22, 2022, 05:36:18 PM
I’ll be damned.  He has been so clutch.  Man what a time to shit the bed.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 22, 2022, 05:54:10 PM
Somewhere, Jean Van de Velde is laughing maniacally.   
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on May 22, 2022, 06:12:24 PM
Wow, why not go 3 wood and be safe??

The age-old question. 

Phil Mickelson will never admit it, but he wishes he had at the US Open.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on May 22, 2022, 07:29:53 PM
I think I heard them say that Thomas was 7 shots down at one point today.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on May 22, 2022, 07:34:59 PM
I think I heard them say that Thomas was 7 shots down at one point today.

8
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 22, 2022, 08:26:02 PM
I think I heard them say that Thomas was 7 shots down at one point today.

He started 7 back, and yes fell to 8 back at one point.

He actually could’ve won fairly easily if he hadn’t missed three birdie putts from inside 12 feet in the last six holes. 

It took a monumental collapse, and he stepped right through the opening. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on May 22, 2022, 08:48:35 PM
It was an epic error but probably 3rd behind

Van de Velde
Phil at winged foot

Amazing comeback by Thomas after a massive shank

 https://youtu.be/hfkHDFL8NvA (https://youtu.be/hfkHDFL8NvA)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogslobber on May 23, 2022, 11:48:05 AM
I like to bet on golf.

Don't often win, but had 50 on JT at 17-1

Also had Will Z at 30-1.

They go to the playoff and I can't lose.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: West Texas Hog on May 23, 2022, 03:23:55 PM
JT gave me a fist bump on his walk from the 3rd green to the 4th tee.  I like to think I played a part in his win.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 23, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
JT gave me a fist bump on his walk from the 3rd green to the 4th tee.  I like to think I played a part in his win.

Maybe you played a part in the shank he hit on the 6th tee.   
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on May 23, 2022, 06:17:46 PM
I like to bet on golf.

Don't often win, but had 50 on JT at 17-1

Also had Will Z at 30-1.

They go to the playoff and I can't lose.

I’m sure glad I didn’t bet it.  If you go back and look right after you said something about betting on it before the tournament started, I gave my pick— Scottie Scheffler.  Didn’t make the cut.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: West Texas Hog on May 23, 2022, 07:50:34 PM
Maybe you played a part in the shank he hit on the 6th tee.

Probably true.  He probably wins in regulation if I don't taint him.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on June 02, 2022, 06:58:25 PM
So what’s the deal with DeChambeau?  He apparently got hurt, but it looks like he’s lost 30 lbs from his hulk ish body of a year or two ago.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on June 03, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
So what’s the deal with DeChambeau?  He apparently got hurt, but it looks like he’s lost 30 lbs from his hulk ish body of a year or two ago.
He's an odd dude.  I think he's finally realizing that swinging 500 mph on every swing means that body can't hold up long term. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: NotoriousPIG on June 03, 2022, 11:26:06 AM
He's an odd dude.  I think he's finally realizing that swinging 500 mph on every swing means that body can't hold up long term.

He had surgery on his hand that he's been recovering from.  Went to Southern Hills but wasn't quite healed up to compete.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on June 03, 2022, 11:28:31 AM
He had surgery on his hand that he's been recovering from.  Went to Southern Hills but wasn't quite healed up to compete.
Yep.  If he keeps trying to win long drive championships he'll be in for a few more surgeries over the years I'd guess.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 03, 2022, 11:42:18 AM
what is going to decide this whole LIV vs PGA Tour thing that will the dealbreaker is whether or not Augusta invites the dudes who play LIV events.

Also, how will this affect the world rankings on which is a factor in making up the fields at majors???

not being able to play in the John Deere Classic is not a dealbreaker.

Not being able to play in a major is.

The only leverage the PGA Tour has is the Tour Championship and Players Championship which isn't enough to counter what the LIV will pay out.

it just boils down to majors and how dirty do you mind your money being?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on June 03, 2022, 05:58:09 PM
He had surgery on his hand that he's been recovering from.  Went to Southern Hills but wasn't quite healed up to compete.

I think he quit taking his roids, too.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 06, 2022, 06:30:22 PM
Mickelson and Fowler are playing in the jihad event.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on June 07, 2022, 10:19:17 AM
Mickelson and Fowler are playing in the jihad event.

Didn't see Fowler's name, unless he was just added.

Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, Kevin Na and a few others have resigned from the PGA Tour.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 07, 2022, 10:29:42 AM
Didn't see Fowler's name, unless he was just added.

Mickelson, Dustin Johnson, Kevin Na and a few others have resigned from the PGA Tour.

Mickelson did not formally resign from his PGA Tour lifetime membership.

And Fowler's name is not listed in field.  He's apparently still weighing his decision.  I would not be surprised to see him ultimately make the leap.

https://www.livgolf.com/players-directory


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 07, 2022, 10:32:34 AM
Be forewarned, clicking that link above deposits $100,000 of dirty Saudi oil money directly into your bank account.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on June 07, 2022, 11:13:56 AM
Fowler above anyone else needs to do it.  His game and his endorsement value are rapidly fading.  He needs the giant pay day it will bring.  Phil probably does too because he lost all of his gambling.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on June 07, 2022, 11:20:41 AM
Dustin Johnson just resigned from the PGA Tour, per the Twitters.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 07, 2022, 11:58:49 AM
Fowler above anyone else needs to do it.  His game and his endorsement value are rapidly fading.  He needs the giant pay day it will bring.  Phil probably does too because he lost all of his gambling.

He didn’t lose all his money gambling.  He acknowledged it was becoming an addiction and has undergone therapy.   


Dustin Johnson just resigned from the PGA Tour, per the Twitters.

Also noted four posts above yours. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 07, 2022, 02:14:22 PM
USGA is going to allow them to play the US Open. This is getting slippery.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on June 07, 2022, 02:23:03 PM
I think the PGA Tour will eventually allow dual membership.  I could be completely wrong but more and more guys will likely take the pay day that LIV offers in my opinion.  The Tour has a problem on their hands if LIV keeps throwing around ridiculous amounts of money to these guys.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on June 07, 2022, 03:28:28 PM
USGA is going to allow them to play the US Open. This is getting slippery.

Its the only truly democratic golf tournament. 

Roy McAvoy. Texas
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: SpiderHam on June 07, 2022, 07:18:34 PM
I'm glad to see the SaudiGA.  Those guys are selling out for the new hotness. 
Let the chips fall as they may as Phil Mickelson probably said...
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 08, 2022, 09:45:32 AM
Just saw an alert that Douchambeau and Fat Reed are chasing the money.

I think the Tour was counting on guys feeling the political pressure and/or PR hit of taking the "dirty" money. 

I think they miscalculated.  My take on these moves is that the legal eagles have opined to players that they have a strong case and pert near all the leverage.

They will ultimately have no choice but to play along.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on June 08, 2022, 09:58:00 AM
I mean if you are a guy chasing history trying to win a bunch of majors for a Hall of Fame career and be considered an all time great, I can see why you wouldn’t do it.  But if you are merely a really good player who might win a couple majors and some tournaments, I don’t think you can afford to pass up this huge money grab.  You’re already rich, but this would make you really really rich.  I mean at some point, if you’re not legitimately chasing history, you’re just chasing money right?  May as well grab it while you can.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on June 08, 2022, 10:29:16 AM
Just saw an alert that Douchambeau and Fat Reed are chasing the money.

I think the Tour was counting on guys feeling the political pressure and/or PR hit of taking the "dirty" money. 

I think they miscalculated.  My take on these moves is that the legal eagles have opined to players that they have a strong case and pert near all the leverage.

They will ultimately have no choice but to play along.
I agree.  I wish they wouldn't but I can certainly understand why someone would jump on the opportunity to make a huge pile of cash.  The type of thing(s) that I hope don't get negatively affected are Ryder Cup, President's Cup etc.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jdcatty on June 08, 2022, 10:41:23 AM

Also noted four posts above yours.

Forgive me Father, for I have sinned. :'(
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hit_that_line on June 08, 2022, 11:09:04 AM
He didn’t lose all his money gambling.  He acknowledged it was becoming an addiction and has undergone therapy.   


Also noted four posts above yours.
After Michael Jordan took his wife to pound town, had to find an outlet somewhere.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 08, 2022, 02:21:06 PM
I agree.  I wish they wouldn't but I can certainly understand why someone would jump on the opportunity to make a huge pile of cash.  The type of thing(s) that I hope don't get negatively affected are Ryder Cup, President's Cup etc.

Definitely want to protect the Ryder Cup.  I can still take or leave the President's Cup.

There is no way the PGA of America will let its major cash cow dry up.  They'll figure out a way to extend membership to whomever they want outside the Tour.  Hell, there are tens of thousands of members in clubs all over the country who've never sniffed the Tour.   Or they'll add a bylaw that will let non-members participate upon "special invitation."


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 08, 2022, 02:41:32 PM
I wonder the exclusion language or rules are. Most events have Monday qualifying that doesn’t require membership. There are regular sponsor’s exemptions, including armatures and even some women. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 08, 2022, 07:45:36 PM
I wonder the exclusion language or rules are. Most events have Monday qualifying that doesn’t require membership. There are regular sponsor’s exemptions, including armatures and even some women.

Sponsor exemptions would definitely get used / abused.   Hard to think guys at the level of these names would stoop to Monday qualifying.

But I just don’t see the Tour continuing to dig in a lot longer.  There might be more defecting shortly now that the USGA set a precedent that undoubtedly the R&A will follow. 

The Tour will have to rethink its position if that happens.  Enough critical mass rocking the boat will start to make title sponsors of some old line Tour events nervous.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 08, 2022, 08:25:37 PM
Sponsor exemptions would definitely get used / abused.   Hard to think guys at the level of these names would stoop to Monday qualifying.

But I just don’t see the Tour continuing to dig in a lot longer.  There might be more defecting shortly now that the USGA set a precedent that undoubtedly the R&A will follow. 

The Tour will have to rethink its position if that happens.  Enough critical mass rocking the boat will start to make title sponsors of some old line Tour events nervous.

I can't imagine the sponsors of PGA Tour events  would provide exemptions to the LIV guys - why pay all the money necessary to be sponsor of the PGA Tour if you are going to do that?  The comparison between the USFL/XFL/etc and LIV is good but the biggest difference is the amount of money the Saudis can and are willing to spend on this.

they won't say but it would be interesting what exactly are the terms of the contracts that for the $100 Million plus some of them are getting to join the LIV tour.

Phil says he won't quit the PGA Tour

Also, I am shocked the players were not better prepared for the media questions in Paris - that was brutal and not a good look for anyone.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hit_that_line on June 08, 2022, 08:37:44 PM
Koepka.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 08, 2022, 10:28:57 PM
I can't imagine the sponsors of PGA Tour events  would provide exemptions to the LIV guys - why pay all the money necessary to be sponsor of the PGA Tour if you are going to do that?  The comparison between the USFL/XFL/etc and LIV is good but the biggest difference is the amount of money the Saudis can and are willing to spend on this.

they won't say but it would be interesting what exactly are the terms of the contracts that for the $100 Million plus some of them are getting to join the LIV tour.

Phil says he won't quit the PGA Tour

Also, I am shocked the players were not better prepared for the media questions in Paris - that was brutal and not a good look for anyone.

To get a Top 10 or 20 player they would give an exemption. 

And it’s London this week. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 08, 2022, 11:04:58 PM
Sponsor exemptions would definitely get used / abused.   Hard to think guys at the level of these names would stoop to Monday qualifying.

But I just don’t see the Tour continuing to dig in a lot longer.  There might be more defecting shortly now that the USGA set a precedent that undoubtedly the R&A will follow. 

The Tour will have to rethink its position if that happens.  Enough critical mass rocking the boat will start to make title sponsors of some old line Tour events nervous.

I wasn’t trying to imply that all of these guys would start showing up for Monday qualifiers.  There are lots of examples of people playing in events without regular pga tour status. I was just wondering what all the categories are for exclusion. Last year’s 125 spot was $740k. D Johnson has nearly $1.7 mil already this year which would seem sure to give him his card for next year.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 09, 2022, 02:18:53 AM
To get a Top 10 or 20 player they would give an exemption. 

And it’s London this week.
To get a Top 10 or 20 player they would give an exemption. 

And it’s London this week.
That’s right, London.

Why does Phil look like he has been given photos of Saul Goodman giving a fake bribe?


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Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 07:52:05 AM
I wasn’t trying to imply that all of these guys would start showing up for Monday qualifiers.  There are lots of examples of people playing in events without regular pga tour status. I was just wondering what all the categories are for exclusion. Last year’s 125 spot was $740k. D Johnson has nearly $1.7 mil already this year which would seem sure to give him his card for next year.

No I get you.  There are lots of exemptions into specific tournaments. Categories for previously winning the tournament, lifetime earnings on the tour, finishing in the top 10 in the previous tournament, to name a few. 

But the tour is coming from a position of discipline, which presumably would override any sort of status or exclusion.

Oh btw, I’m curious enough to watch today.   

It’s streaming live here:

https://youtu.be/-exyLWw5pq8
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jacobp on June 09, 2022, 08:57:38 AM
The PGA has just officially suspended all members playing in the LIV; and not permitted to play under sponsor exemption or any other category.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: jacobp on June 09, 2022, 09:39:36 AM
Bubba Watson and Matthew Wolfe jumped ship, too.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on June 09, 2022, 09:44:39 AM
The PGA has just officially suspended all members playing in the LIV; and not permitted to play under sponsor exemption or any other category.
the memo singled out multiple players who they said didn’t receive releases to play in LIV or didn’t apply for a release at all. Fuck the PGA…these guys are looking out for them and their families by securing themselves with money. I think competition is good for the sport. PFA has monopolized the game for too long.

The one thing I wonder is if the IRS will investigate to determine if the PGA now has to classify the players as employees instead of independent contractors…doesn’t their entire decision change their legal financial structure
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: mr.zorak on June 09, 2022, 11:04:47 AM
Eldrick is beating off right now.

Less competition for him in the Majors. :suicide:

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 11:24:43 AM
The PGA has just officially suspended all members playing in the LIV; and not permitted to play under sponsor exemption or any other category.

Wow, they must read Woopg.   :stache:


The one thing I wonder is if the IRS will investigate to determine if the PGA now has to classify the players as employees instead of independent contractors…doesn’t their entire decision change their legal financial structure

Not to get into a whole thing here, but it's the Department of Labor that investigates this issue.  The IRS already has way more than it can handle.   

I'm not a labor attorney, so grain of salt, but I see this issue fairly often with clients.

The common law standard around this issue really has to do with the entity controlling what the individual must and must not do, like where and what times they work, and possibly requiring the individual to devote full attention to the entity's business for X amount of time per week, for instance.   

In this case, the Tour is just preventing them from "servicing" its business.  They're not preventing the guys from working anywhere, only there.   

Of course, that doesn't mean there won't be legal action, just on different grounds.  This gauntlet all but guarantees there will be.




Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 09, 2022, 11:26:41 AM
You just have to figure the other 3 majors aren’t going to care. The Masters was started by a guy that never had a pga card.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 11:31:44 AM
Good article from a few months ago with a high level legal perspective, including from someone who does practice law...

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-sgl-ban

Anti-trust would appear to be the legal ground here.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 09, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
Thanks to Tiger, it's all about the majors now for the elite players.
sure, the PGA Tour can be exciting but it's the majors that move the needle for TV.
watching the LIV coverage - it's really no different than another regular PGA event only with colorful graphics and different voices (not a bad thing). It's more like watching the BBC coverage of the Open or the Euro Tour on Golf Channel.

compelling it is not so far. the shotgun start is interesting though.

to be pro golfer would be the best.

well, the LIV doesn't have this yet!!!

https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/1534692501478580224?s=20&t=jsQiPEJKSIOdpuyTFsu9ew (https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/1534692501478580224?s=20&t=jsQiPEJKSIOdpuyTFsu9ew)
Title: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on June 09, 2022, 12:53:08 PM
the memo singled out multiple players who they said didn’t receive releases to play in LIV or didn’t apply for a release at all. Fuck the PGA…these guys are looking out for them and their families by securing themselves with money. I think competition is good for the sport. PFA has monopolized the game for too long.

The one thing I wonder is if the IRS will investigate to determine if the PGA now has to classify the players as employees instead of independent contractors…doesn’t their entire decision change their legal financial structure
The PGA launched an ICBM right up the Saudis ass and good for them.  These players that left are either degenerate gamblers like Phil or on the downhill slide.  This action draws a hard line for those fence sitters who were waiting to see how it plays out.

Are you going to risk your card and membership, your pension, your senior tour to play for a bunch of murderous Saudi motherfuckers.

TV is going to likely decide golf fans have little interest in supporting a bunch of players who are being funded in their new sign on bonuses by $7 a gallon gasoline, or by a bunch of OPEC cocksuckers who fund terrorism and murder.  About the only thing worse for them will be if they make Phil and the gang wear keffiyah on their heads while playing.

And will Titleist, Callaway, and other big money sponsors move away from LIV players when their exposure is mainly on fucking Facebook? 

The Saudis will soon tire of this and put their money into camel racing or supporting ISIS or assraping virgins.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on June 09, 2022, 01:32:35 PM
Eldrick is beating off right now.

Less competition for him in the Majors. :suicide:
The majors have nothing to do with this.  The Masters will invite whoever the fuck they want.  The US Open is is a USGA event and they'll do what they want.  PGA Championship is run by the PGA of America, they will do what they want.  British Open the same
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 01:36:17 PM
The PGA launched an ICBM right up the Saudis ass and good for them.  These players that left are either degenerate gamblers like Phil or on the downhill slide.  This action draws a hard line for those fence sitters who were waiting to see how it plays out.

Are you going to risk your card and membership, your pension, your senior tour to play for a bunch of murderous Saudi motherfuckers.

TV is going to likely decide golf fans have little interest in supporting a bunch of players who are being funded in their new sign on bonuses by $7 a gallon gasoline, or by a bunch of OPEC cocksuckers who fund terrorism and murder.  About the only thing worse for them will be if they make Phil and the gang wear keffiyah on their heads while playing.

And will Titleist, Callaway, and other big money sponsors move away from LIV players when their exposure is mainly on fucking Facebook? 

The Saudis will soon tire of this and put their money into camel racing or supporting ISIS or assraping virgins.

Will you clarify where you stand on this?  It's a bit vague.   O0


But seriously, after watching it a bit this morning, I tend to agree with Goose.  It wasn't anything really that unique because even though they are promoting it as a "team" event, it certainly doesn't feel that way.  The caddies have team names on the backs of their bibs but there is hardly any team competition in this event.  The Formula 1 style leaderboard is contrived, not to mention confusing even for someone who is used to watching golf.

Greg Norman keeps talking about trying to replicate the feel of a Ryder Cup as a regular thing.  That's what he doesn't get.  The Ryder Cup is so special precisely BECAUSE it is infrequent and BECAUSE there are natural teams, not some pimped up NBA All-Star Game style drafting of a vast majority of no-name guys. 

I don't like the source of the money either, but it's clearer now more than ever that guys are strictly in this for money.  That's understandable for the never-was and have-been guys, but not guys who should be in their prime like DeChambeau and Reed. 

Bottom line is there are a bunch of ego-driven dudes, some of whom say they're on a mission (that they can't clearly articulate) against the "greedy" PGA Tour.   Greg Norman has tried to feed this part of his ego for 30 years.  It may indeed not last that long.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
The majors have nothing to do with this.  The Masters will invite whoever the fuck they want.  The US Open is is a USGA event and they'll do what they want.  PGA Championship is run by the PGA of America, they will do what they want.  British Open the same

Agreed.  That's already been made clear.  The USGA set the precedent, making it easier for the R&A.  The Masters will always Master.  It will be more difficult for the PGA Championship due to its close relationship to the Tour.   

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 09, 2022, 01:56:42 PM
Good article from a few months ago with a high level legal perspective, including from someone who does practice law...

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/pga-tour-sgl-ban

Anti-trust would appear to be the legal ground here.

Good find. Answered a lot of questions. The pga tour requires 15 events a year. I remember Bruce Lietzke would play 15 a year and kept his card for 20 years  doing so.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on June 09, 2022, 01:57:30 PM
Will you clarify where you stand on this?  It's a bit vague.   O0


But seriously, after watching it a bit this morning, I tend to agree with Goose.  It wasn't anything really that unique because even though they are promoting it as a "team" event, it certainly doesn't feel that way.  The caddies have team names on the backs of their bibs but there is hardly any team competition in this event.  The Formula 1 style leaderboard is contrived, not to mention confusing even for someone who is used to watching golf.

Greg Norman keeps talking about trying to replicate the feel of a Ryder Cup as a regular thing.  That's what he doesn't get.  The Ryder Cup is so special precisely BECAUSE it is infrequent and BECAUSE there are natural teams, not some pimped up NBA All-Star Game style drafting of a vast majority of no-name guys. 

I don't like the source of the money either, but it's clearer now more than ever that guys are strictly in this for money.  That's understandable for the never-was and have-been guys, but not guys who should be in their prime like DeChambeau and Reed. 

Bottom line is there are a bunch of ego-driven dudes, some of whom say they're on a mission (that they can't clearly articulate) against the "greedy" PGA Tour.   Greg Norman has tried to feed this part of his ego for 30 years.  It may indeed not last that long.
I think everyone if given the chance would take the money and know they are gonna be mega rich and have their family taken care of. That was the appeal to Johnson. He also has a huge tab for that outlandish wedding he just had. Tiger doesn’t need the money…he also still thinks he can beat some young up and comer.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: abnormal hog on June 09, 2022, 02:01:57 PM
I wasn’t trying to imply that all of these guys would start showing up for Monday qualifiers.  There are lots of examples of people playing in events without regular pga tour status. I was just wondering what all the categories are for exclusion. Last year’s 125 spot was $740k. D Johnson has nearly $1.7 mil already this year which would seem sure to give him his card for next year.

DJ has (had) a lifetime exemption due to his 20+ wins on PGA tour.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hit_that_line on June 09, 2022, 02:02:56 PM
DJ already has a $50mm net worth. He’s a huge douchebag and will be remembered as such.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 09, 2022, 02:53:07 PM
DJ is #3 all-time in career money. To say he needs the money is insane.

good read on day 1

https://thefriedegg.com/liv-golf-broadcast-pga-tour-punishment/ (https://thefriedegg.com/liv-golf-broadcast-pga-tour-punishment/)

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on June 09, 2022, 03:25:58 PM
DJ is #3 all-time in career money. To say he needs the money is insane.

good read on day 1

https://thefriedegg.com/liv-golf-broadcast-pga-tour-punishment/ (https://thefriedegg.com/liv-golf-broadcast-pga-tour-punishment/)
in this economy it doesn’t hurt to be mega rich. Hater
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hit_that_line on June 09, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
in this economy it doesn’t hurt to be mega rich. Hater
Wipe that Saudi smegma off your mouth.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Vito Porkleone on June 09, 2022, 04:06:37 PM
This tour is about two things.  The Saudis trying to buy some goodwill, and Greg Norman's limitless ego.  This thing will die on the vine because ratings will be a shitshow once the dust settles.  No TV, no ROI.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on June 09, 2022, 04:36:41 PM
This LIV thing will collapse faster than Greg Norman on the last day of the Masters.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on June 09, 2022, 04:39:16 PM
Meh…the Saudi’s will keep it going as long as they want to.  They have enough money that they don’t care if it makes money.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 05:06:17 PM
Good find. Answered a lot of questions. The pga tour requires 15 events a year. I remember Bruce Lietzke would play 15 a year and kept his card for 20 years  doing so.

There’s a very enjoyable blast from the past.  Lietzke was one of a kind.  He had a solid but unspectacular career.  He has probably the most consistent swing and could always rely on a slight fade.  He hit close to 80% of fairways during his career.

My of my all time favorite golf stories is about him and a banana and is in this article…

https://golf.com/news/remembering-bruce-lietzke/?amp=1
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: FNG on June 09, 2022, 05:33:41 PM
There’s a very enjoyable blast from the past.  Lietzke was one of a kind.  He had a solid but unspectacular career.  He has probably the most consistent swing and could always rely on a slight fade.  He hit close to 80% of fairways during his career.

My of my all time favorite golf stories is about him and a banana and is in this article…

https://golf.com/news/remembering-bruce-lietzke/?amp=1
I started playing/watching golf in the mid-eighties when I was in my mid thirties. After watching the most recent PGA and all the identical, picture-perfect swings, I flashed back to those days in the 80"sand 90's when I could identify almost every tour pro from three fairways away just by his swing.

The talent wasn't as evenly distributed across the board then as it is now but it seemed like those guys were just more fun to watch back then.

Yeah HTL,  I know,  all boomers need to die.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 05:47:55 PM
I started playing/watching golf in the mid-eighties when I was in my mid thirties. After watching the most recent PGA and all the identical, picture-perfect swings, I flashed back to those days in the 80"sand 90's when I could identify almost every tour pro from three fairways away just by his swing.

The talent wasn't as evenly distributed across the board then as it is now but it seemed like those guys were just more fun to watch back then.

Yeah HTL,  I know,  all boomers need to die.

Exactly!   I started about a decade behind you but it was still that way.

Couples with his steep takeaway. Jack’s flying elbow.  Norman’s violent whippy slash.  Daly back-swinging past his left ear.  Furyk’s octopus in a phone booth.  Whatever the heck you could call Arnie’s move.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Animal on June 09, 2022, 06:13:06 PM
Exactly!   I started about a decade behind you but it was still that way.

Couples with his steep takeaway. Jack’s flying elbow.  Norman’s violent whippy slash.  Daly back-swinging past his left ear.  Furyk’s octopus in a phone booth.  Whatever the heck you could call Arnie’s move.

I've never paid that much attention to that sort of stuff other than being amazed at how easy some of those guys make it look having played a bit and knowing it's pretty difficult to put that ball out there where you want it to be. I haven't golfed in several years, was never serious about it...just usually got together with some friends...pound some beers and act stupid on the golf course. Maybe trash a golf cart.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 09, 2022, 06:24:07 PM
lol

https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1534918926982864896?s=20&t=6C3cH4TtaQp-wDK0hhRS4w (https://twitter.com/ShooterMcGavin_/status/1534918926982864896?s=20&t=6C3cH4TtaQp-wDK0hhRS4w)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on June 09, 2022, 06:53:46 PM
At what point do they offer John Daly to join?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 09, 2022, 08:25:13 PM
At what point do they offer John Daly to join?

They could just pay him in 12 million diet cokes. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 10, 2022, 04:38:54 PM
The clearest indication of the “quality” of the field, just look at these scores..

https://www.si.com/golf/.amp/news/full-leaderboard-liv-golf-invitational-series-london-round-2

Good thing there’s no cut. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 10, 2022, 04:44:18 PM
The clearest indication of the “quality” of the field, just look at these scores..

https://www.si.com/golf/.amp/news/full-leaderboard-liv-golf-invitational-series-london-round-2

Good thing there’s no cut.

Schwartzel is about to make a cool $4 mill.

olgetree still getting $120,000 for being DFA.

the fact you have search for a leaderboard on their website is interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 10, 2022, 05:31:03 PM
Schwartzel is about to make a cool $4 mill.

olgetree still getting $120,000 for being DFA.

the fact you have search for a leaderboard on their website is interesting to say the least.

They don’t even have one on their 2004 model website.    There was a menu link for it but it didn’t go anywhere.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: papermill on June 10, 2022, 08:23:30 PM
Phachara Khongwatmai
Ratchanon Chantananuwat
Itthipat Buranatanyarat

Some big names in this tournament

I mean, ACTUAL big names
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 10, 2022, 09:48:10 PM
very interesting listen on sports washing and the LIV Tour on this week's  Freakonomics podcast.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-is-sportswashing-and-does-it-work/ (https://freakonomics.com/podcast/what-is-sportswashing-and-does-it-work/)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 11, 2022, 11:11:15 AM
Don’t blink

 https://twitter.com/nocartsplease/status/1535638946100690948?s=21&t=TdoELnHIbnLn49Jz-E27_Q (https://twitter.com/nocartsplease/status/1535638946100690948?s=21&t=TdoELnHIbnLn49Jz-E27_Q)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 11, 2022, 01:38:13 PM
Tree falls in the woods, Schwartzel wins the tournament…and $4.75 million for his trouble. 

That equates to approximately $88,000 per hole played. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 14, 2022, 01:31:44 PM
Rory Mcilroy won the Canadian open. I know he is the unofficial voice of opposition to the LIV for the PGA. I was just wondering why he doesn’t play exclusively on the European Tour.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 14, 2022, 01:57:22 PM
Rory Mcilroy won the Canadian open. I know he is the unofficial voice of opposition to the LIV for the PGA. I was just wondering why he doesn’t play exclusively on the European Tour.

$eriou$ly?  $hirley you can't be $eriou$ with thi$ que$tion.   He doe$ it becau$e he i$ ju$t so pa$$ionate about the U$A and it$ $uperior $tatu$ where all the be$t compete for $trictly bragging right$.

$hee$h!!
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 14, 2022, 01:59:37 PM
$eriou$ly?  $hirley you can't be $eriou$ with thi$ que$tion.   He doe$ it becau$e he i$ ju$t so pa$$ionate about the U$A and it$ $uperior $tatu$ where all the be$t compete for $trictly bragging right$.

$hee$h!!

not to mention that Florida doe$n't have income tax,
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: bogeyfree on June 14, 2022, 02:26:17 PM
John Rahm fan

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/us-open-jon-rahm-live-golf-perfect-comments

https://twitter.com/SkySportsGolf/status/1536739809418436609
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 14, 2022, 04:54:39 PM
John Rahm fan

https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/us-open-jon-rahm-live-golf-perfect-comments

https://twitter.com/SkySportsGolf/status/1536739809418436609

He nailed it.  That should be required watching for anyone contemplating the decision. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Vito Porkleone on June 14, 2022, 08:11:20 PM
Rahmbo gives no fucks.  Love that dude.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 15, 2022, 03:19:37 PM
Now Chamblee is calling for Mickelson and Norman to be kicked out of the Hall of Fame. I think the pga and those associated with it are royally screwing up how they are handling it. 90% of the publicity about liv is coming from the pga and it’s members.  I had no idea who the pga members in the new league were until the pga published the list of names. The pga is scared to death about this. All of the pros that are saying the reason they play professional golf has nothing to do with the money are full of shit. The ones saying they are on a moral high ground are full of shit. Why not get some of the money back here that we send over for their oil?

The pga should have just said “whatever, they’ll be back.”  Let everybody who wants to go over and play. Don’t treat it any differently  than the European or Asian tour. It will probably flame out after a year. The more the opposition publicizes it and the more its players start to make it look like a rivalry, the greater the chances are that it won’t.
Title: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 15, 2022, 03:36:45 PM
What is the basis for kicking them out of the hall of fame? That is crazy talk.

I agree with you that the PGATour is creating most of their pub and should ignore them.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Barton Fink on June 15, 2022, 03:42:39 PM
Speaking of morals, has Tiger weighed in?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 15, 2022, 03:59:17 PM
What is the basis for kicking them out of the hall of fame? That is crazy talk.

I agree with you that the PGATour is creating most of their pub and should ignore them.

The basis for Ramble Incessantlee is same as always, diarrhea of the mouth (or Twitter fingers).

He’s no more than the Paul Finebaum of pro golf. 


Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on June 15, 2022, 07:57:41 PM
Chamblee is a turdwich.  The Hall of Fame is for great sports careers.  It’s the Pro Football Hall of Fame.  They don’t toss out hoFers for murder, rape,assault. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on June 15, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
This is all so stupid.  These guys are professional golfers.  That means they play golf for money.  Somebody offered them more money than they could make in a career as more or less a fancy appearance fee. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on June 15, 2022, 09:57:47 PM
This is all so stupid.  These guys are professional golfers.  That means they play golf for money.  Somebody offered them more money than they could make in a career as more or less a fancy appearance fee.

yup.

for those worried about where the money comes from..........

never mind.......

Saudi Arabia's $300 billion wealth fund ditched Facebook, Disney, and Boeing stocks, and poured billions into ETFs in the second quarter

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/saudi-arabia-sovereign-wealth-fund-facebook-disney-boeing-buys-etf-2020-8-1029508471 (https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/saudi-arabia-sovereign-wealth-fund-facebook-disney-boeing-buys-etf-2020-8-1029508471)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: USAFHawg on June 16, 2022, 07:45:06 AM
Speaking of morals, has Tiger weighed in?

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf/news/tiger-woods-liv-golf-greg-norman/vvfkmeappbz6qkopti1fsntv

“I’ve decided for myself that I’m supporting the PGA Tour. That’s where my legacy is,” Woods said in November 2021. “I’ve been fortunate enough to have won 82 events on this tour and 15 major championships, and been a part of the World Golf Championships, the start of them and the end of them.”
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 16, 2022, 09:44:40 AM
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/golf/news/tiger-woods-liv-golf-greg-norman/vvfkmeappbz6qkopti1fsntv

“I’ve decided for myself that I’m supporting the PGA Tour. That’s where my legacy is,” Woods said in November 2021. “I’ve been fortunate enough to have won 82 events on this tour and 15 major championships, and been a part of the World Golf Championships, the start of them and the end of them.”

Regardless of what  anybody thinks about Tiger, he is the world wide face of golf and in one simple statement there is no Tiger/LIV story.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Razorback Jedi on June 16, 2022, 12:45:54 PM
I think Rory is out there to destroy LIV golf. He’s going to try and become the biggest draw in golf and choke out the Saudi’s.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Animal Chin on June 16, 2022, 03:48:10 PM
I think Rory is out there to destroy LIV golf. He’s going to try and become the biggest draw in golf and choke out the Saudi’s.

Uuuhhh do hwut?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: TexZilla on June 18, 2022, 06:19:27 PM
The Euro tour will allow LIV players.  Frankly the PGA needs to figure some shit out.  Other than big tourneys no one watches these small events.  They should tighten the schedule, change the back half of the season, and support certain event type things.  I like Skins game type things, and these events like Brady Rodgers.  I’d rather watch those with no gallery except majors and bigs.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 18, 2022, 08:32:50 PM
The Euro tour will allow LIV players.  Frankly the PGA needs to figure some shit out.  Other than big tourneys no one watches these small events.  They should tighten the schedule, change the back half of the season, and support certain event type things.  I like Skins game type things, and these events like Brady Rodgers.  I’d rather watch those with no gallery except majors and bigs.

The Euro Tour has a fraction of the leverage of the PGA Tour.   The biggest trump card is held by the Official World Golf Ranking board.  If they don’t award points for these non-traditional format events on the LIV Tour, these guys eventually won’t qualify to play in the majors. 

I don’t THINK it will come to that but it could.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 21, 2022, 08:00:23 AM
Brooks Koepka
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 21, 2022, 11:41:03 AM
Brooks Koepka

Water is wet.

Abe Ancer is the bigger surprise. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on June 21, 2022, 12:00:46 PM
These guys must be getting information that they  will be able to accumulate world ranking points.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Razorback Jedi on June 21, 2022, 12:19:02 PM
If LIV doesn't get the OWGR points then they can go play enough DP/Euro tour events to accumulate what they need to stay in the game to play the majors.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hizhog on June 21, 2022, 01:18:46 PM
If this screws up the Ryder Cup, so help me.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 21, 2022, 04:11:55 PM
If LIV doesn't get the OWGR points then they can go play enough DP/Euro tour events to accumulate what they need to stay in the game to play the majors.

That would require them to play more events again.  Most of those guys are absolutely looking at this as a way to get more AND work less.

Even if they do get OWGR points for LIV events, the OWGR formula would have to be substantially tweaked for it to do them a lot of good.  It recognizes strength of the field, and LIV so far doesn't have nearly enough of that. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 21, 2022, 04:27:04 PM
Adding some levity.   This account is a great Instagram follow…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfEjDEauJAj/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 03, 2022, 02:51:33 PM

This clip is burning up Twitter…

https://twitter.com/kyleportercbs/status/1543408104880087041?s=21&t=FRxQfPREE6veuBJN97dUCQ


Forget sportswashing.  I’m convinced there is brainwashing involved.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Barton Fink on July 12, 2022, 04:35:03 PM
Daly....

https://twitter.com/TigerWoods/status/1546941065999126530?t=MpVvphGCGRzXa2fFKNoZYw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/TigerWoods/status/1546941065999126530?t=MpVvphGCGRzXa2fFKNoZYw&s=19)
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on July 12, 2022, 06:28:07 PM
Daly....

https://twitter.com/TigerWoods/status/1546941065999126530?t=MpVvphGCGRzXa2fFKNoZYw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/TigerWoods/status/1546941065999126530?t=MpVvphGCGRzXa2fFKNoZYw&s=19)

can you imagine the stories at that dinner?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hizhog on July 12, 2022, 07:02:09 PM
can you imagine the stories at that dinner?

My guess is Jack Nicklaus and Nick Faldo do 99.999% of the talking while everyone else pretends to slit their wrists with a butter knife.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on July 12, 2022, 10:23:37 PM
My guess is Jack Nicklaus and Nick Faldo do 99.999% of the talking while everyone else pretends to slit their wrists with a butter knife.
I would guess Player is the one they want to quit talking.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: papermill on July 13, 2022, 12:16:12 AM
What's golf going to do when Tiger Woods finally goes away?  I see At the Open on TV, figure I would pop by, with a minute "What are Tiger's chances?"  Do the great unwashed care about anyone else?  apparently not
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on July 13, 2022, 06:50:13 AM
Daly....

https://twitter.com/TigerWoods/status/1546941065999126530?t=MpVvphGCGRzXa2fFKNoZYw&s=19 (https://twitter.com/TigerWoods/status/1546941065999126530?t=MpVvphGCGRzXa2fFKNoZYw&s=19)

If you met someone who didn't know anything about Daly, you could just show them that picture and it would tell them everything they needed to know.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hizhog on July 13, 2022, 08:01:50 AM
I would guess Player is the one they want to quit talking.

Yea, I didn’t see Player. Toss him into that same group above.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: hogwildinhouston on July 13, 2022, 09:51:42 AM
I would guess Player is the one they want to quit talking.

Good Lord, don't leave out Lee Trevino.  No one can out talk that guy..
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on July 13, 2022, 09:57:18 AM
Good Lord, don't leave out Lee Trevino.  No one can out talk that guy..

In all seriousness, that was apparently mainly an act on course.  It was his way of managing stress.  He is much quieter in person when he isn’t on stage, so to speak.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on July 28, 2022, 02:26:56 PM
Shit just got real.

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on July 28, 2022, 02:38:45 PM
Shit just got real.

fitting.

I see Bubba Watson is going to join, another well past his prime addition.
it would be hard to turn down that money.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on July 28, 2022, 02:44:52 PM
Why is everyone up in arms about trump attending the LIV golf party in nyc? Our president just met with the Saudi murdering prince last week. It’s such bukkshit.

And why is Charles Barkley being considered for a broadcasting job with LIV?
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: The Whyte Boar on July 28, 2022, 02:46:58 PM
That’s why LIV will eventually win this fight.  A couple of three billion dollars a year is couch cushion change for the Saudis.  They can throw money at people forever without any concerns as to profitability.  The PGA is going to lose this fight. 
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on July 28, 2022, 02:47:30 PM
And why is Charles Barkley being considered for a broadcasting job with LIV?

Because he is probably the most entertaining sports broadcasters currently, and one that has been involved with golf.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on July 28, 2022, 03:38:16 PM
Because he is probably the most entertaining sports broadcasters currently, and one that has been involved with golf.

I’d tune in just for that.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: DrMongoose on July 28, 2022, 04:07:06 PM
Why is everyone up in arms about trump attending the LIV golf party in nyc? Our president just met with the Saudi murdering prince last week. It’s such bukkshit.

And why is Charles Barkley being considered for a broadcasting job with LIV?

considering the LIV is playing a Trump course, it only makes sense he shows up for the attention. he'll do the same at Doral later.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 28, 2022, 05:17:41 PM
Why is everyone up in arms about trump attending the LIV golf party in nyc? Our president just met with the Saudi murdering prince last week. It’s such bukkshit.

And why is Charles Barkley being considered for a broadcasting job with LIV?

Is bukkshit a rear-end version of the old Asian target practice?

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 29, 2022, 03:16:05 PM
TENS of people in attendance.   57,000 people watching on YouTube right now. 

The TV execs have to be fighting each other to hand out the first mega million dollar offer for LIV golf and that viewership.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Swahili Steve on July 29, 2022, 03:32:29 PM
I find it interesting Paul Casey is now playing on the LIV tourney after refusing to play in the Saudi invitational in 2019 over the country involvement in Yemen. I guess the prince murdering a journalist and being paid millions makes you change your views
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on July 29, 2022, 04:31:02 PM
TENS of people in attendance.   57,000 people watching on YouTube right now. 

The TV execs have to be fighting each other to hand out the first mega million dollar offer for LIV golf and that viewership.

Not to discredit your post, but It's also broadcasted on the LIV website and on Facebook, not just YouTube. I get it though.

I would like to see a comparison of LIV vs PGA viewership numbers on the weekend.
Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 29, 2022, 05:34:22 PM
Not to discredit your post, but It's also broadcasted on the LIV website and on Facebook, not just YouTube. I get it though.

I would like to see a comparison of LIV vs PGA viewership numbers on the weekend.

I knew someone would make this point.  I thought about doing the research but figured YouTube has to have the largest audience for this.  The LIV website blows, unless they’ve drastically improved it since the first event.  And I presume the demographics of Facebook are still skewed older. 

Just from memory I think the non-majors are usually somewhere around 2 million viewers on the weekends. 

The more interesting stat would be to see if the events played directly against LIV are declined from last year. 

Title: Re: PGA 2022
Post by: Hizhog on July 29, 2022, 06:09:45 PM
So what’s the long term outcome of all of this? Do the tours co-exist and allow players to play both like the PGA and European tours did? Do they remain separate and golf fans don’t get to see a lot of the best golfers compete against each other regularly? Do the Saudi’s eventually get bored and fold it up?