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Title: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: pinkphiloyd on February 08, 2021, 05:49:19 AM
My first new car, my trusty old 2005 Mazda 3, is finally, after about 170,000 miles, is sounding worse everyday and I don't know how much more the old gal has in her.  God that thing has been a great car.  But anyway.

I've always wanted a Mercedes and these days we can comfortably afford one.  But, and this doesn't feel very manly to say, but... I don't know shit about buying a car.  It seems like prices are just posted now like that's what you're expected to pay.  Is negotiating still a thing?  If so, what's a good way to determine what you should knock off the asking price as a starting point.  In example:  I really love this sexy machine right here, and I'm gonna go drive it later.

https://www.jackiecoopermercedes.com/new/Mercedes-Benz/2021-Mercedes-Benz-A-Class-tulsa-ok-b3a7fb890a0e0ae72e36961c9d2b31c1.htm

Asking $38,730.  Looking at KBB.com, and guessing at the options I wasn't 100% sure about, they say a fair price is $36,311.  That doesn't sound like a big difference to me.  Is that reasonable?  It gives $34,952 on the low end.  Would that be a good place to start and refusing to go over $36k?  Or is starting at $34k to high?  How does this shit work?

Is buying a brand new car online a thing now?  What's that process like?  Better or worse than real life?  Can you get better deals that way?  It's been so long since I've bought a car I don't even really know what all options are out there these days.

I'll shut up now.  Thanks, Woopig.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: 1st_down_streak on February 08, 2021, 08:36:09 AM
Haggling is pretty much gone now but you still need to make sure you pay the right price. Use sites like truecar and autotrader to find what you want is going for around you. Refuse all the packages and warranty bullshit and you will be fine. You are going to take a bath on buying a high end new car so better to pay for what you want and take care of it than save a few bucks upfront.


Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: pinkphiloyd on February 08, 2021, 08:58:30 PM
Right on.  Thanks for the pointers.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: BASS on February 08, 2021, 10:16:34 PM
Bought a car last may, I looked online, cars.com and autotrader, for months at the specific car I wanted. Blew out the miles to 500, sorted by price. I found the best deals in dfw.  It sucks to go that far to get your car, but I saved easily $3k... $8k below sticker price... And I paid exactly what they had it listed for.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 09, 2021, 08:35:33 AM
Right on.  Thanks for the pointers.
look at autotrader at Mercedes around your area. You actually might find one with a thousand miles of less that’s a 2021 or 2020 that cuts off a few thousand. I’m actually looking at the Mercedes GLA or Lexus UX and auto trader has new ans used dealers in my area and gives me a good basis on where a good price point is for what I’m looking for. I’m looking at getting a year old to knock off some dollars and still get all the bells and whistles I want on it. This is what I did for my last car. The dealerships really try to price cars at the best price position now rather than haggle. The negotiation comes with what you can get them to give you for your current car
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: wvhawgfan on February 09, 2021, 10:18:44 AM
Haggling is pretty much gone now but you still need to make sure you pay the right price. Use sites like truecar and autotrader to find what you want is going for around you. Refuse all the packages and warranty bullshit and you will be fine. You are going to take a bath on buying a high end new car so better to pay for what you want and take care of it than save a few bucks upfront.
Pretty much this. Last one I bought (4-runner 2019) I looked around at prices on line for the same trim model, figured out what I thought was a reasonable number, and gave that to the hostage negotiator at the dealership. A couple of hours later we signed the paper for that price.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: pinkphiloyd on February 09, 2021, 06:04:52 PM
I'm taking all of this under consideration.

The one I had signed up to drive was sold when I got there.  I drove another one in white (my last car was white, I really want to go black this time) that had all kinds of upgrades that, don't get me wrong, were awesome, but they jacked the price up past what I'm wanting to pay.  The guy damn sure keeps calling me and leaving me messages, though.

I'm definitely not above driving to Dallas (or somewhere else) if the savings would be worth it.  I'll check out their inventory down there... 
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TravelHog on February 10, 2021, 04:42:14 AM
Bought my ride online. Never set foot in a dealer. If I have any say, I'll never set foot in one again neither.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: PorkRyan on February 10, 2021, 10:52:40 AM
Bought a car last may, I looked online, cars.com and autotrader, for months at the specific car I wanted. Blew out the miles to 500, sorted by price. I found the best deals in dfw.  It sucks to go that far to get your car, but I saved easily $3k... $8k below sticker price... And I paid exactly what they had it listed for.

Same with us.  I bought one in Dallas and one in St Louis and got much better deals than they were offering in NWA.  The St Louis one they delivered it for a few hundred and I had to drive Dallas to get the other.

I've always had luck getting pricing info on forums such as Edmunds or forum that focuses on the specific car you are looking for such as mdxers.org for an MDX.    You will get real buyers posting what they paid for a specific model. 

Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: 1st_down_streak on February 10, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
Forgot to mention cargurus.com but it's my favorite car search site/app
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 10, 2021, 03:14:37 PM
I don’t know how I feel buying online unless it’s brand new and having it delivered. I might do this eventually but will they collect your old car snd take it too
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Barton Fink on February 10, 2021, 03:37:13 PM
I've bought a lot of cars over the years. I hate it. I've had better experiences buying out of state than I've had buying in AR.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: uagrad2007 on February 10, 2021, 03:45:51 PM
I really want to go black this time

Once you go black...
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 10, 2021, 03:50:37 PM
Once you go black...
I don’t think I ever wanna a black or super dark colored car again. I hated the black car I had...seems to show dirt so badly and the sheen just doesn’t stay like other colors. I’m debating going to white next or a blue. Right now I have a dark metallic green. Thought I’d hate it but I got a great deal. The color doesn’t show dirt like I thought and it retains its color quite nicely
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on February 13, 2021, 12:36:32 AM
A few thoughts

1.  Don’t fall in live with a car without playing the field.  Drive competitive cars so you have knowledge to use even if you are lasered in on the MB. 

2.  Keep you old car out of the discussion unless you know you are paying for the convenience.  You are buying retail on the new one, selling wholesale to the dealer.  Keep the transactions separate , or even better sell it yourself.  Get it detailed and emptied before driving on a lot.

3.  Don’t work down work up.  Meaning you find out the dealer’s invoice cost and then see how close you can get to that.  He gets a holdback from the mfr that is his profit. Say 3%.  (This works on many cars. On cars that sell above sticker you’re just fucked..  )

4.  There are several transactions you’re dealing with.  Price of the car.  Your trade or lack thereof.  Financing.  Warranty.  Service income.  With a Benz they count on a certain amount of dealer service bay income fucking your ass on simple shit.  Does it come with a factory free maintenance plan?  Have your finance plans ready, tell them you’re probably paying cash but are open to looking if they have any special deals.

5.  Dealers gotta turn inventory and make sales.  It’s hard to find out when their monthly finance floor plan is due cos it gives you leverage.  BUT weather plays a key.  This is going to be a fucked weekend and week due to weather.  I’d get on the web and phone tomorrow and work it, NWA, Tulsa, DFW, KC, OKC.  Put this snow to work for you now if this is truly the car you want.  They will cut to minimum to move the iron.

6.  Ask for the internet sales manager and work with them.  MB probably has no fleet manager which is who to talk to on trucks.

7.  As has been said avoid all treatments and aftermarket shit. They’ll want to sell you aftermarket mats and shit.  You should get a cool hat or key ring or something on the way out.

Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 13, 2021, 07:29:30 AM
Will I get fucked if I pay cash in full for it rather than ducking around with financing? I’ve always financed but have the money to just pay for a new car or a car with 10k or less miles. What is this fuckery about the Mercedes ans service? Do you have to go to them and pay extra for the servicing?

I’m going to drive the Lexus and the Volvo suvs next week to make sure. I’m between the xc40x, UX, or the GLA/GLC. I finally saw the new bronco on the road...it looks weird
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Barton Fink on February 13, 2021, 08:50:32 AM
Don't mention anything about cash or financing till after you agreed on a price. If they ask say you're not sure but probably gonna finance. They likely won't give you as good a price if they think you're paying cash.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: kingofdequeen on February 13, 2021, 09:01:31 AM
RE financing, i usually go to the lot with a number in my pocket from a credit union.  You can get them to quote you on a vehicle for a certain mileage and they always have good rates.   That way you can make them work ahead of time - tell them you have x% when you get there and let them start working while you test drive junk - or cut that crap out and save yourself 30 min of BS. 
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: kingofdequeen on February 13, 2021, 09:04:20 AM
Will I get fucked if I pay cash in full for it rather than ducking around with financing? I’ve always financed but have the money to just pay for a new car or a car with 10k or less miles. What is this fuckery about the Mercedes ans service? Do you have to go to them and pay extra for the servicing?

I’m going to drive the Lexus and the Volvo suvs next week to make sure. I’m between the xc40x, UX, or the GLA/GLC. I finally saw the new bronco on the road...it looks weird

I would never buy new.  Let someone else eat that depreciation and market adjustment.    If you pay cash you’ll get a good deal just have to fill out more paperwork to make sure you’re not a drug dealer or terrorist.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 13, 2021, 09:11:07 AM
I would never buy new.  Let someone else eat that depreciation and market adjustment.    If you pay cash you’ll get a good deal just have to fill out more paperwork to make sure you’re not a drug dealer or terrorist.
yeah I’ve never bought new...always gotten exactly what I want a year or two old with less 20k miles.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: 1st_down_streak on February 13, 2021, 10:09:33 AM
Don't mention anything about cash or financing till after you agreed on a price. If they ask say you're not sure but probably gonna finance. They likely won't give you as good a price if they think you're paying cash.

Correct - every penny they think they will squeeze out of you down the road, the better price you can get. Finance it and pay it off the first month if you want.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 13, 2021, 10:20:29 AM
Correct - every penny they think they will squeeze out of you down the road, the better price you can get. Finance it and pay it off the first month if you want.
good idea. I just don’t wanna really bother with financing. But I guess better to get the better price by financing than upfront cash
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: 1st_down_streak on February 13, 2021, 10:23:54 AM
Will I get fucked if I pay cash in full for it rather than ducking around with financing? I’ve always financed but have the money to just pay for a new car or a car with 10k or less miles. What is this fuckery about the Mercedes ans service? Do you have to go to them and pay extra for the servicing?

I’m going to drive the Lexus and the Volvo suvs next week to make sure. I’m between the xc40x, UX, or the GLA/GLC. I finally saw the new bronco on the road...it looks weird

The kids 2016 c300 is still under warranty and she took to the local dealer for recall work and to get the software updated. They fixed her up and did some extra work for no charge. Our course they quoted her $800 to put on two $200 tires on the front after alignment and all the other bullshit fees.
Hello, discount tire.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: 1st_down_streak on February 13, 2021, 10:26:47 AM
good idea. I just don’t wanna really bother with financing. But I guess better to get the better price by financing than upfront cash

The other way you have to hammer out a final price and then go get a cashier's check. Signing the loan paperwork is the easier option and now it's mostly electronic.

Temporary credit hit is the only possible downside I can think of.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 13, 2021, 10:39:40 AM
The other way you have to hammer out a final price and then go get a cashier's check. Signing the loan paperwork is the easier option and now it's mostly electronic.

Temporary credit hit is the only possible downside I can think of.
my credit is over 800 so what do I care...the credit score thing on my mint.com actually said I got dinged a point for not having enough credit cards open Jesus. What a fucked up thing
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: BASS on February 13, 2021, 10:53:43 AM
New vs used - depends on the car and deal you can get. I got my mustang new for less than what used ones were going for.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: kingofdequeen on February 13, 2021, 10:58:16 AM
New vs used - depends on the car and deal you can get. I got my mustang new for less than what used ones were going for.

That would make me buy a Toyota.   Meh I take that back - incentives yada yada thst can happen easy.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: pinkphiloyd on February 13, 2021, 12:04:11 PM

2.  Keep you old car out of the discussion unless you know you are paying for the convenience.  You are buying retail on the new one, selling wholesale to the dealer.  Keep the transactions separate , or even better sell it yourself.  Get it detailed and emptied before driving on a lot.

3.  Don’t work down work up.  Meaning you find out the dealer’s invoice cost and then see how close you can get to that.

I'm gonna give my old car to my younger brother, I think.  It would be worth more to him than what I would get out of it trading it in or selling it.  Plus (and this may be the stupidest thing I've ever said, I admit it) it just really pains me to think of getting rid of it.  It was my first new car, and it has been absolutely great to me.  I have a strong sentimental attachment and if I could keep it in the family that would be awesome.

Regarding the dealer's invoice cost...any tips on how to go about getting that info?

The one I ended up driving was fully loaded, and I can't lie...good lord it was fucking sweet.  I really want it.  But based on it not being my first choice color, and also telling them that I was really looking for something more basic, not being a "bells-and-whistles" type guy, I've got them to back down about $4k off the sticker.  I told them I'd think it over this weekend and let them know something early this week.  Of course, they said if I ended up not pulling the trigger on that one they'd work to get whatever I wanted.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on February 13, 2021, 12:40:44 PM
my credit is over 800 so what do I care...the credit score thing on my mint.com actually said I got dinged a point for not having enough credit cards open Jesus. What a fucked up thing

Your credit will go up if you finance and pay it off quickly.  If they offer a promo no interest or ultra low interest program keep your money and use theirs.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on February 13, 2021, 12:47:06 PM
I'm gonna give my old car to my younger brother, I think.  It would be worth more to him than what I would get out of it trading it in or selling it.  Plus (and this may be the stupidest thing I've ever said, I admit it) it just really pains me to think of getting rid of it.  It was my first new car, and it has been absolutely great to me.  I have a strong sentimental attachment and if I could keep it in the family that would be awesome.

Regarding the dealer's invoice cost...any tips on how to go about getting that info?

The one I ended up driving was fully loaded, and I can't lie...good lord it was fucking sweet.  I really want it.  But based on it not being my first choice color, and also telling them that I was really looking for something more basic, not being a "bells-and-whistles" type guy, I've got them to back down about $4k off the sticker.  I told them I'd think it over this weekend and let them know something early this week.  Of course, they said if I ended up not pulling the trigger on that one they'd work to get whatever I wanted.

If you want this new car then by all means go for it.  The depreciation really only matters if you trade out of cars frequently.  You seem like someone that will drive the wheels off this one.  And with certain vehicles sometimes the recent used cost more than new.  I’m a recent used guy myself but that’s just me.

This weekend is time to strike.  Can you keep this car if you get white over black?  The price should get better as the weather gets worse.  Monday might be your strike day. Or Tuesday.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on February 13, 2021, 02:28:54 PM
I'm late to the thread so I apologize if these have already been mentioned.

First I emailed the salesman and told him to send me a quote. I emailed him because I bought my wife's car from him a couple of years ago, Even if you don't know the salesman, if you find the vehicle you want there should be something you can click on to request their best quote (McClarty Toyota, where I bought my wife's car from). He sent me the quote before I ever set foot on the lot. I don't haggle over price any more than this. There are a lot of places on line where you can find out a general price range. Plus dealers don't make that much off the actual sale anymore, it's about all the other stuff (see more below).

Once I got the quote, I got pre-approved through Bank of America's web site. They're one of the biggest if not the biggest auto lenders out there.

With quote and pre-approval letter in hand, I went to the dealer, test drove, and bought. Pretty painless and didn't take long.

DO NOT BUY AN EXTENDED WARRANTY. This is probably the first thing the finance person will hit you up with and may even try to disguise it by showing a sheet of paper with their various options, what they cover, and what your payment will be with it. They will probably put the squeeze on you because it's one of their biggest money makers. They will try to lead you into it by asking various questions like how long you're going to keep the car (say 3 years; this way you have no need for the EW since you will be covered by the manufacturer's warranty) or how much repairs can run (say you keep cash set aside for repairs). Resist, resist, resist and if it comes down to it tell them you're walking out. That will get them moving on to the necessary things.

DO NOT BUY ANY OPTIONS. Some they will have already put on the vehicle and will be listed next to the sticker on the vehicle. But if they steer you to someone who wants you to add tint, special treatment for the interior and/or exterior, etc., Resist, resist, resist. These are worthless and another way profit center for the vehicle.

BUY ON PRICE, NOT MONTHLY PAYMENTS. One of the oldest ploys and not just for cars. Dealers love buyers who buy on monthly payment because they can stick anything in there they can talk you into as long as they meet your monthly payment amount. If you get the best deal on price and financing the payment will take care of itself.

Speaking of financing, the two times I've gone in with a preapproval letter they've managed give me even better terms. This is a no brainer, even if it makes them money.

 
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: pinkphiloyd on February 13, 2021, 02:35:02 PM
I just used the "build and price" feature on both Edmunds and KBB and the price I've been quoted on the white one I drove is a shade under the recommended buy price on both sites.  I feel myself weakening a little bit.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 13, 2021, 03:04:14 PM
I just used the "build and price" feature on both Edmunds and KBB and the price I've been quoted on the white one I drove is a shade under the recommended buy price on both sites.  I feel myself weakening a little bit.
ive been looking at auto trader for a 2021 Mercedes new and then ones that are 2021 with a few thousand miles.  Pricing is substantially better with a few miles. But it’s helping me gage what price I can get and for what. It’s how I bought my last vehicle. Saw what the median price was in auto trader with what I wanted on it
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on February 13, 2021, 10:04:43 PM
To TOWM’s point if the car has already been loaded with dealer installed options (they will be listed on Dealer Add on Sticker) still only speak to the Munroney sticker and invoice.  It might be floor mats, undercoat, clear coat, gold badges, about anything.  They will either eat the cost, or they haven’t actually installed on the car. Always tell them to fuck off with any of that shit.
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Post by: BASS on February 13, 2021, 10:08:50 PM
Only thing I got surprised with on the dealer options was window tint. $295, more than I could have had the windows tinted for myself, but not too bad considering the deal I got on the car.  And they weren't going to pull the tint off and knock $295 off the price.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on February 14, 2021, 10:52:48 AM
Only thing I got surprised with on the dealer options was window tint. $295, more than I could have had the windows tinted for myself, but not too bad considering the deal I got on the car.  And they weren't going to pull the tint off and knock $295 off the price.

There will be exceptions to everything, and I’m sure that Mustang looks even more cool with it.  The good thin is they have to warrant it.  And you did get a deal you were pleased with.  My point is start with “eat it, justify it” on tough negotiations. 
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Son_of_Spam on February 14, 2021, 05:39:02 PM
I'm late to the thread so I apologize if these have already been mentioned.

First I emailed the salesman and told him to send me a quote. I emailed him because I bought my wife's car from him a couple of years ago, Even if you don't know the salesman, if you find the vehicle you want there should be something you can click on to request their best quote (McClarty Toyota, where I bought my wife's car from). He sent me the quote before I ever set foot on the lot. I don't haggle over price any more than this. There are a lot of places on line where you can find out a general price range. Plus dealers don't make that much off the actual sale anymore, it's about all the other stuff (see more below).

Once I got the quote, I got pre-approved through Bank of America's web site. They're one of the biggest if not the biggest auto lenders out there.

With quote and pre-approval letter in hand, I went to the dealer, test drove, and bought. Pretty painless and didn't take long.

DO NOT BUY AN EXTENDED WARRANTY. This is probably the first thing the finance person will hit you up with and may even try to disguise it by showing a sheet of paper with their various options, what they cover, and what your payment will be with it. They will probably put the squeeze on you because it's one of their biggest money makers. They will try to lead you into it by asking various questions like how long you're going to keep the car (say 3 years; this way you have no need for the EW since you will be covered by the manufacturer's warranty) or how much repairs can run (say you keep cash set aside for repairs). Resist, resist, resist and if it comes down to it tell them you're walking out. That will get them moving on to the necessary things.

DO NOT BUY ANY OPTIONS. Some they will have already put on the vehicle and will be listed next to the sticker on the vehicle. But if they steer you to someone who wants you to add tint, special treatment for the interior and/or exterior, etc., Resist, resist, resist. These are worthless and another way profit center for the vehicle.

BUY ON PRICE, NOT MONTHLY PAYMENTS. One of the oldest ploys and not just for cars. Dealers love buyers who buy on monthly payment because they can stick anything in there they can talk you into as long as they meet your monthly payment amount. If you get the best deal on price and financing the payment will take care of itself.

Speaking of financing, the two times I've gone in with a preapproval letter they've managed give me even better terms. This is a no brainer, even if it makes them money.
The old “mouse house.” Most people don’t know that an extended warranty starts the day you buy the car. Not when the factory warranty runs out. So, say you get a 5 year extended warranty... you think it would start after the factory warranty runs out. Nope, you really only get a 2 year extention if you finance for three years. The mouse house is where they take you back to try to get you to add all the BS..tire warranties, extended warranties, add one, etc. That is where they make their money. The last car I bought, this dude tried to get me to buy the extended warranty. I said nope. He said repairs were expensive after the factory warranty runs out. So I asked him if the car he was selling me was only going to last three years and then break down? I also asked him if he knew what I was worth (financially). Of course he said no to both. He was very disappointed when I told him I just wanted to sign the papers and drive my car home. Fucks these guys.

Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on February 15, 2021, 12:26:20 AM
If you’re buying used a solid drivetrain warranty can be a benefit if : the car is out of warranty or near end.  It can give you peace of mind and give you coverage for your finance term if you’re not able to absorb a big repair. 

The dealer makes money in the car, the financing ( look at those fees and make the F&I guy explain every one of them).  You will deal with that person even on a cash deal, extended warranty, adding, packages, everything. Never be afraid or so enamored of a car that you won’t walk out the door if you need to.  It’s manufactured; another is somewhere just like it.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: DirkPiggler on February 15, 2021, 08:55:55 AM
Something I didn't realize about the financing before a friend did a recent stint as a BMW salesman...

The dealership gets a kickback from the finance companies.  Even at times when they're doing the 0% financing (I guess enough people miss payments or make them late to get the fuck you rate).  So as others have said, always finance with the dealership, even if you have cash in hand to buy it outright.  You can always pay it off once you get the first statement.  Just be sure there are no penalties for early payoff. 

Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on February 15, 2021, 04:30:27 PM
If you’re buying used a solid drivetrain warranty can be a benefit if : the car is out of warranty or near end.  It can give you peace of mind and give you coverage for your finance term if you’re not able to absorb a big repair. 

The dealer makes money in the car, the financing ( look at those fees and make the F&I guy explain every one of them).  You will deal with that person even on a cash deal, extended warranty, adding, packages, everything. Never be afraid or so enamored of a car that you won’t walk out the door if you need to.  It’s manufactured; another is somewhere just like it.
five years ago when I was shopping between a Toyota and a Subaru I went to the local Subaru dealership and said give me $8k for my car and come down off the price of that car I want...go talk to your manager And show me something on paper. He comes back with a printout of the car....price plus lists out VIN ID add on, and nitrous oxide for the tires. I looked at the guy and go fuck this...do you think this is my first time buying...take all this shit off and come back to me with your best and lowest price. Guy brings back his manager and the manager says “we can’t give you our final and best offer unless you commit to buying this car today.” I said where is your shredder because I’m going to sit here while you shred every piece of my info you collected and then I’m walking out. Left and two days later bought my vehicle.
Guy from the first dealership calls me the next Monday saying we are willing to give you the price you want for your trade in and can we make a deal. I said I already bought a car. He asked what I bought and I go sir, I bought my vehicle at the Porsche dealership and that’s all you need to know and hung up. Fuck these people
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Post by: pigtacular on February 15, 2021, 08:56:34 PM
It's a pretty sweet feeling to take the power they think they have over you and turn it to rubble.
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Post by: Jose Papoopoo on February 16, 2021, 01:58:11 PM
I just bought a car last week and used Costco's auto buying program.  It was quite a bit cheaper than what I was seeing online through places like Cargurus.  Just fill out what car you are looking for and the zip code and dealers will give you their price.  I looked in several different areas. 
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Post by: Swahili Steve on February 16, 2021, 08:41:37 PM
I am waffling between the Mercedes GLA and Lexus UX. I like both but I’m wondering if overall I’d be better off with the Lexus due to maintenance ect. I’ve yet to test drive the UX but have driven the GLA and GLC. I like how the Mercedes drives. I’ve always had Toyota’s with the exception of a Volvo S40 which hit 75k miles and starting breaking all the time. Reliability on the Lexus seems better but the Mercedes seems like the overall winner in that division of suvs. Will probably just buy new so I can get exactly what I want on it. Anybody got a UX or GLA with thoughts?
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Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on February 17, 2021, 09:14:12 AM
Something I didn't realize about the financing before a friend did a recent stint as a BMW salesman...

The dealership gets a kickback from the finance companies.  Even at times when they're doing the 0% financing (I guess enough people miss payments or make them late to get the fuck you rate).  So as others have said, always finance with the dealership, even if you have cash in hand to buy it outright.  You can always pay it off once you get the first statement.  Just be sure there are no penalties for early payoff.

On the car before this one I got pre-approved through Bank of America and the dealer got better terms...with Bank of America. I think you usually have to pay full sticker to get 0% financing.
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Post by: BASS on February 17, 2021, 10:10:57 AM
When I got my mustang I had to finance through ford credit to get the massive discount. 6.7%

The option was 0% financing at sticker price or $8k below msrp for the 6.7%

I immediately refinanced through arvest at 3%.

My monthly payment dropped $100 and I pay it off a year earlier.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on February 17, 2021, 10:12:54 AM
When I got my mustang I had to finance through ford credit to get the massive discount. 6.7%

The option was 0% financing at sticker price or $8k below msrp for the 6.7%

I immediately refinanced through arvest at 3%.
wtf 6.7%?
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Post by: BASS on February 17, 2021, 10:14:57 AM
wtf 6.7%?

Yeah, you gotta watch the terms on those "deals". They make it up one way or the other. They would not honor the online price if I financed through anyone else besides ford. credit
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Post by: Barton Fink on February 17, 2021, 10:23:49 AM
Credit unions have had really good refi rates lately. I've seen some advertising 1% for 60 mo.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on February 17, 2021, 10:59:07 AM
Yeah, you gotta watch the terms on those "deals". They make it up one way or the other. They would not honor the online price if I financed through anyone else besides ford. credit
I mean no offense but was your credit bad? I don’t think I’ve ever paid more than 2.5 for a used vehicle. Hell my credit card interest rate isn’t even that high
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Post by: TravelHog on February 17, 2021, 11:14:43 AM
I mean no offense but was your credit bad? I don’t think I’ve ever paid more than 2.5 for a used vehicle. Hell my credit card interest rate isn’t even that high
I have excellent credit and my lowest credit card has 10% interest, minimum. Not that it matters because I pay mine off every month, use the 2% cash back as easy money.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on February 17, 2021, 11:21:26 AM
I have excellent credit and my lowest credit card has 10% interest, minimum. Not that it matters because I pay mine off every month, use the 2% cash back as easy money.
same...my credit card I’ve had for twenty plus years and pay off...was 5% for years but now it’s 6%.
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Post by: kingofdequeen on February 17, 2021, 11:37:35 AM
same...my credit card I’ve had for twenty plus years and pay off...was 5% for years but now it’s 6%.

j00s.
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Post by: BASS on February 17, 2021, 12:01:09 PM
I mean no offense but was your credit bad? I don’t think I’ve ever paid more than 2.5 for a used vehicle. Hell my credit card interest rate isn’t even that high

It's around 800
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Post by: Swahili Steve on February 17, 2021, 12:09:54 PM
It's around 800
🤔😳
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Post by: DirkPiggler on February 17, 2021, 05:38:59 PM
On the car before this one I got pre-approved through Bank of America and the dealer got better terms...with Bank of America. I think you usually have to pay full sticker to get 0% financing.

I had one years ago at 0.9%, and didn't pay anywhere near MSRP.  But you're right, those incentive deals are usually either one or the other.  You may not pay sticker price, but you can't double dip the low rate and the manufacturer's cash incentive.  The cash discount or the low rate usually ends up giving you the same total cost. 

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Post by: TexZilla on February 18, 2021, 08:02:47 AM
I am waffling between the Mercedes GLA and Lexus UX. I like both but I’m wondering if overall I’d be better off with the Lexus due to maintenance ect. I’ve yet to test drive the UX but have driven the GLA and GLC. I like how the Mercedes drives. I’ve always had Toyota’s with the exception of a Volvo S40 which hit 75k miles and starting breaking all the time. Reliability on the Lexus seems better but the Mercedes seems like the overall winner in that division of suvs. Will probably just buy new so I can get exactly what I want on it. Anybody got a UX or GLA with thoughts?

You might save enough if you act today to buy it in Dallas and fly down for it.  Melt starts tomorrow.  Doesn’t cost anything to shop.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on February 18, 2021, 08:22:43 AM
You might save enough if you act today to buy it in Dallas and fly down for it.  Melt starts tomorrow.  Doesn’t cost anything to shop.
im not stepping foot in Texas right now. I’m gonna go test drive the BMW X1 this weekend...it has higher reviews and their free maintenance program is a nice bonus that the other brands don’t include.
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Post by: TexZilla on February 18, 2021, 11:41:00 AM
im not stepping foot in Texas right now. I’m gonna go test drive the BMW X1 this weekend...it has higher reviews and their free maintenance program is a nice bonus that the other brands don’t include.

You can buy it and take delivery when it thaws.  These guys haven’t sold any cars in a week.  No service income.  Pick your car.  Takes five minutes.  You’ll either love the Beamer or hate it; they usually are polarizing. 
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Post by: kingofdequeen on February 18, 2021, 11:53:28 AM
You can buy it and take delivery when it thaws.  These guys haven’t sold any cars in a week.  No service income.  Pick your car.  Takes five minutes.  You’ll either love the Beamer or hate it; they usually are polarizing.



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Post by: Swahili Steve on February 18, 2021, 11:56:56 AM
You can buy it and take delivery when it thaws.  These guys haven’t sold any cars in a week.  No service income.  Pick your car.  Takes five minutes.  You’ll either love the Beamer or hate it; they usually are polarizing.
you make a valid point. I wonder if anyone is even at the dealership I’d you go online.
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Post by: Filthy_McSwine on February 18, 2021, 03:18:36 PM
The wife just bought a loaded Mazda CX-5 from McLarty.  Way less painful than my last Crain experience.  Having a trade complicated things a bit.
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Post by: TexZilla on February 18, 2021, 08:56:55 PM
you make a valid point. I wonder if anyone is even at the dealership I’d you go online.

The internet sales manager is either at the store or at home.  Hit em up.  Use a zip of 76012 and 50 mile radius you’ll hit em all
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Post by: hogslobber on February 19, 2021, 03:38:02 PM
im not stepping foot in Texas right now. I’m gonna go test drive the BMW X1 this weekend...it has higher reviews and their free maintenance program is a nice bonus that the other brands don’t include.

I have owned 2 BMWs.  My wife had a 2016 X-5 and now has a 2020 X-5.  I ordered both of them to upgrade the interior, and other things and get the colors she wanted.   We have very much liked both of these cars.  I have not driven them for years and put a lot of miles on either, so I can't speak to that.  But, very nice as you would expect.

Speaking of the Mazda CX5,  I bought our son a new 2015 CX5 touring model when he turned 16.  It got him thru high school and soon college.  It has been a great car.  I will say the transmission went our just before the warranty expired.  They took care of it.  We drove it to California in May for his internship out there in Palmdale.

I shipped it home when he was finished.   That is just too much of a drive.  The CX5 is a lot of car for the money.



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Post by: TravelHog on February 19, 2021, 03:45:42 PM
Ha, I have the 2015 CX-5, grand touring. Just rolled over 100k miles, and that's including not driving it for over a year combined while out in Maui. Love it, but can't flat tow it, so it gots to go.
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Post by: Son_of_Spam on February 19, 2021, 07:17:38 PM
Ha, I have the 2015 CX-5, grand touring. Just rolled over 100k miles, and that's including not driving it for over a year combined while out in Maui. Love it, but can't flat tow it, so it gots to go.
The wife has a CX-9 and loves it. Also, a Mazda Miata MX-5 convertible. I am thinking about a CX-5 for my next car.
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Post by: TravelHog on February 19, 2021, 07:20:37 PM
The wife has a CX-9 and loves it. Also, a Mazda Miata MX-5 convertible. I am thinking about a CX-5 for my next car.
I really like mine. Handles just like a car, fun to drive.
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Post by: Son_of_Spam on March 06, 2021, 07:31:29 AM
Bumped
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Post by: hit_that_line on March 06, 2021, 08:24:16 PM
I posted in the other car thread wherever it’s lost in the woopig bowels. I looked at damn near every three row SUV and finally settled on the Telluride nightfall package. Really liking it so far.
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Post by: DirkPiggler on March 06, 2021, 08:49:13 PM
I'm having some orderers remorse on the Bronco.  Thinking about a couple of moves.

1.  Sell the wife's 550 (already have someone interested) and buy her a slightly used 430 or 440 convertible.

2.  Buy a Land Cruiser for myself. 

If I get her the convertible I pretty much have to get a decent sized, somewhat luxury SUV.  If I get the Bronco she's pretty much locked into keeping her current car (paid for) or getting something else similar. 

Anyone have any experience with the 4 series convertible or a Land Cruiser? 
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Post by: Barton Fink on March 06, 2021, 08:55:15 PM
Not 4 series specific but BMW has stepped up their interiors lately. Much nicer than previous models.

What's you budget for an SUV and when do you need to buy?
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Post by: DirkPiggler on March 07, 2021, 08:15:39 AM
Not 4 series specific but BMW has stepped up their interiors lately. Much nicer than previous models.

What's you budget for an SUV and when do you need to buy?

No rush on either.  My kid turns 16 in June.  I'd like to have something by then so I can give him my Grand Colonizer. 

It looks like I could get in a new Land Cruiser for around $80K.  That's more than I'd like to spend, but I'm willing to do it if I like the vehicle enough. 

I read where 2021 is the last year they are making the Land Cruiser.  I'm sure they'll hold it out a few years and bring it back as a station wagon styled SUV with an electric motor.

Speaking of electrics, I really like the Rivian, but due to my job I need a hell of a lot more than 300 miles between charges. 
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Post by: Barton Fink on March 07, 2021, 08:33:18 AM
Ha, I was gonna recommend the Rivian. I've got a depot on an allocation I don't think I'm gonna use. The SUV and truck are both pretty sweet. 
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Post by: Boared Cynic on March 07, 2021, 10:10:18 AM
I'm having some orderers remorse on the Bronco.  Thinking about a couple of moves.

1.  Sell the wife's 550 (already have someone interested) and buy her a slightly used 430 or 440 convertible.

2.  Buy a Land Cruiser for myself. 

If I get her the convertible I pretty much have to get a decent sized, somewhat luxury SUV.  If I get the Bronco she's pretty much locked into keeping her current car (paid for) or getting something else similar. 

Anyone have any experience with the 4 series convertible or a Land Cruiser?

You can consider the Lexus LX series as well, its pretty much the same as a land cruiser, though personally I'm not a fan of the grill.

There's a lot of land cruiser fanboys, if its true that that's the last LC, it'll keep its value in the used market I think
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Post by: TexZilla on March 07, 2021, 11:59:50 AM
No rush on either.  My kid turns 16 in June.  I'd like to have something by then so I can give him my Grand Colonizer. 

It looks like I could get in a new Land Cruiser for around $80K.  That's more than I'd like to spend, but I'm willing to do it if I like the vehicle enough. 

I read where 2021 is the last year they are making the Land Cruiser.  I'm sure they'll hold it out a few years and bring it back as a station wagon styled SUV with an electric motor.

Speaking of electrics, I really like the Rivian, but due to my job I need a hell of a lot more than 300 miles between charges.

Love Land Cruisers. They are a bit fancier than when I sold Toyota’s in 86.  Back then they had heavy anchors in the back that various attachments could be used, including big machine guns if you wished to be a mercenary in an African civil war.

They last forever and hate hearing they plan to spike it.  It’s an important vehicle globally; there are parts of the world without electricity.
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Post by: DirkPiggler on March 07, 2021, 02:11:00 PM
You can consider the Lexus LX series as well, its pretty much the same as a land cruiser, though personally I'm not a fan of the grill.

There's a lot of land cruiser fanboys, if its true that that's the last LC, it'll keep its value in the used market I think

I don’t think I could get past that grille on the LX.  Plus they are about $10K higher.

Based on the list prices for lightly used LCs on autotrader, I’d say you’re right about the resale. They appear to be like Jeeps - a year old used lists for about the same as a new one. 

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Post by: DirkPiggler on March 07, 2021, 03:35:18 PM
Apparently the Land Cruiser doesn't have Apple CarPlay compatibility.  That's a deal breaker for me. 

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Post by: Son_of_Spam on March 07, 2021, 04:51:18 PM
Apparently the Land Cruiser doesn't have Apple CarPlay compatibility.  That's a deal breaker for me.
Same here. CarPlay is great.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 11, 2021, 09:59:27 AM
Anybody seen up close the new Mazda cx6 turbo anniversary addition? I hear the downside is the infotainment center of the cx5 lags and isn’t as great as its competitors and doesn’t have the panoramic moonroof. Also anybody seen the new mustang Mach E?
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Post by: Filthy_McSwine on March 11, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
Anybody seen up close the new Mazda cx6 turbo anniversary addition? I hear the downside is the infotainment center of the cx5 lags and isn’t as great as its competitors and doesn’t have the panoramic moonroof. Also anybody seen the new mustang Mach E?

My wife just bought a 2021 CX-5 Signature and it has upgraded infotainment from the 2020 (bigger screen, faster boot, etc). Be aware it is not touchscreen which is fine with me.  I had a M3 with this type of setup and once you get used to it it's better, (also, I'm not allowed within like 50 yards of any school).  Don't know about an anniversary edition, but the Signature is pretty well loaded (turbo, AWD, all the safety tech, and a bunch of other shit).
 
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 11, 2021, 01:07:15 PM
My wife just bought a 2021 CX-5 Signature and it has upgraded infotainment from the 2020 (bigger screen, faster boot, etc). Be aware it is not touchscreen which is fine with me.  I had a M3 with this type of setup and once you get used to it it's better, (also, I'm not allowed within like 50 yards of any school).  Don't know about an anniversary edition, but the Signature is pretty well loaded (turbo, AWD, all the safety tech, and a bunch of other shit).
I saw the anniversary edition has red leather seats with the anniversary logo and white leather trim. Saw it on motormouth and the guy complained the infotainment lagged but I don’t care about touch screen (seriously, my meth habit has gotten out of control). I’m gonna go test drive it. I’ve ruled out most of the luxury brands I was looking at except the Volvo XC40 which I’m test driving Monday and the Lexus NX. Also going to text drive the new RAV4 (which I love my 2013 RAV4 just want something with more upgrades) and the new Venza which is a hybrid and comes with a list of standard features that I like...but not sure how the pick up and go is gonna be on a hybrid
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 16, 2021, 11:16:11 AM
Anyone here recommend an extended warranty or buy it later or not at all on a new car? I thought someone mentioned that. I’m only considering it if I go with the Volvo otherwise I don’t care.
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Post by: DirkPiggler on March 16, 2021, 11:47:37 AM
Anyone here recommend an extended warranty or buy it later or not at all on a new car? I thought someone mentioned that. I’m only considering it if I go with the Volvo otherwise I don’t care.

I bought one a few months ago on my Grand Cherokee...first time I've ever done it.  Only reason I bought it was that my kid will be driving it for a couple of years with 100K or more miles on it. 

Since I bought the warranty I've had it in the shop for close to $2K worth of work.  That's about halfway to the cost of the warranty.  We'll see how it holds up over the next few years.
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Post by: BASS on March 16, 2021, 12:52:47 PM
Anyone here recommend an extended warranty or buy it later or not at all on a new car? I thought someone mentioned that. I’m only considering it if I go with the Volvo otherwise I don’t care.

Don't buy an extended warranty on a new car
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 16, 2021, 01:00:30 PM
Don't buy an extended warranty on a new car
ok.
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Post by: Barton Fink on March 16, 2021, 01:11:55 PM
I've only done bought one for my F250. I knew I would drive it past the warranty and fixing Diesel's ain't cheap.
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Post by: Son_of_Spam on March 16, 2021, 03:05:38 PM
I said earlier that if you buy a 5 year, 100,000 mile extended warranty, the 5 years starts when you buy the car. So, it is really only a 2 year extention depending on how long you finance. If you finance, you can drive until the factory warranty nearly expires and then add an extention. This way it gives you an idea of wether you will need the extended warranty by seeing if you have any trouble during the factory time.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 16, 2021, 03:19:32 PM
I said earlier that if you buy a 5 year, 100,000 mile extended warranty, the 5 years starts when you buy the car. So, it is really only a 2 year extention depending on how long you finance. If you finance, you can drive until the factory warranty nearly expires and then add an extention. This way it gives you an idea of wether you will need the extended warranty by seeing if you have any trouble during the factory time.
good to know. I’m buying new and just paying cash. I’m not planning to finance. I guess down the road I will probably sell it by the time the warranty at 5 years is over anyways and get something newer
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Post by: DirkPiggler on March 16, 2021, 08:51:50 PM
I said earlier that if you buy a 5 year, 100,000 mile extended warranty, the 5 years starts when you buy the car. So, it is really only a 2 year extention depending on how long you finance. If you finance, you can drive until the factory warranty nearly expires and then add an extention. This way it gives you an idea of wether you will need the extended warranty by seeing if you have any trouble during the factory time.

This is what I did.  That way, if it turns out to be a lemon while under manufacturers warranty, you didn't waste the money up front.

If you really want a good deal on an extended warranty, Allison from the warranty department calls me every day.  I'll give her your number. 
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Post by: TexZilla on March 16, 2021, 11:13:22 PM
Don't buy an extended warranty on a new car

I agree.  If it’s a piece of shit under warranty you’ll unload it.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 17, 2021, 11:06:06 AM
I’m seeing considerable price differences between two dealers so I guess I’ll play them against each other. I know exactly what I want...I know how far I’ll go price wise but I’m hoping to screw them down to as low as they’ll go. I guess th is day and age more dealerships are putting out their bare bones lowest price so as not to negotiate and some aren’t
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Post by: HighcenterHog on March 17, 2021, 11:55:31 AM

I've always wanted a Mercedes and these days we can comfortably afford one.  But, and this doesn't feel very manly to say, but...
=

Want something manly,  get you one of these badboys. Porsche Panamera and then put mudgrips on it.  I saw a black one in Conway two weeks ago. 

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Post by: hit_that_line on March 17, 2021, 08:02:52 PM
I’m seeing considerable price differences between two dealers so I guess I’ll play them against each other. I know exactly what I want...I know how far I’ll go price wise but I’m hoping to screw them down to as low as they’ll go. I guess th is day and age more dealerships are putting out their bare bones lowest price so as not to negotiate and some aren’t
New inventories are light. If you can wait a bit you’ll get a better price.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 18, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
New inventories are light. If you can wait a bit you’ll get a better price.
thats what I’m noticing at most dealerships. I also am still in the test driving phase. I have five suvs I’ve narrowed it down to...RAV4 hybrid, Venza, Mazda x5, XC40, and the NX.  Driving two today snd the rest next week.
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Post by: hit_that_line on March 18, 2021, 10:44:06 AM
The chip shortage is going to cause inventory issues through the rest of this year.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 18, 2021, 10:57:16 AM
The chip shortage is going to cause inventory issues through the rest of this year.
ive seen people waiting upwards of 6 months for their vehicle to arrive. I’m hoping that won’t be me
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Post by: TexZilla on March 18, 2021, 01:51:57 PM
thats what I’m noticing at most dealerships. I also am still in the test driving phase. I have five suvs I’ve narrowed it down to...RAV4 hybrid, Venza, Mazda x5, XC40, and the NX.  Driving two today snd the rest next week.

Chip shortages are a real problem for all industries and shortages will likely get worse before they get better.  inventories are getting tighter.  if you dont NEED a new car you might wait.  However inventories are also tight in used cars so dealers are paying more than wholesale.  While i usually advise leaving your old car out and not trading, now might be a time to make your deal, then throw in your trading piece.  make sure its detailed and super clean.

Im not saying do this but it might be worth exploring
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 18, 2021, 02:56:26 PM
Chip shortages are a real problem for all industries and shortages will likely get worse before they get better.  inventories are getting tighter.  if you dont NEED a new car you might wait.  However inventories are also tight in used cars so dealers are paying more than wholesale.  While i usually advise leaving your old car out and not trading, now might be a time to make your deal, then throw in your trading piece.  make sure its detailed and super clean.

Im not saying do this but it might be worth exploring
I am ready to buy now. I don’t have to but I want the damn car. Do I seem like somebody that doesn’t keep a car pristine? My car looks brand new steal I just want something new with all the bells and whistles and new tech now!
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Post by: TexZilla on March 19, 2021, 12:38:30 AM
I am ready to buy now. I don’t have to but I want the damn car. Do I seem like somebody that doesn’t keep a car pristine? My car looks brand new steal I just want something new with all the bells and whistles and new tech now!
Then go buy your car.  Even if your car is clean empty it out before you take it as a possible trade; should have nothing in it but the manuals and your insurance card.  I dont assume anything about how folks live in their cars.  When i sold cars some of the most buttoned up folks would have a car full of trash when it was time to get it checked out.  Then they'd buy a car an take an hour moving shit out of the trade.  We had to get them over the curb first to deliver so we pushed them to go eat dinner and then come back.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 19, 2021, 08:33:21 AM
Then go buy your car.  Even if your car is clean empty it out before you take it as a possible trade; should have nothing in it but the manuals and your insurance card.  I dont assume anything about how folks live in their cars.  When i sold cars some of the most buttoned up folks would have a car full of trash when it was time to get it checked out.  Then they'd buy a car an take an hour moving shit out of the trade.  We had to get them over the curb first to deliver so we pushed them to go eat dinner and then come back.
yeah I know those people. I try to keep my car clean and uncluttered at all times. I only keep a few things in the trunk space.

I drove the hybrid RAV4 yesterday and found it odd. I felt like every time I stopped it would make a beep as I applied the breaks. I liked it but I def thought I liked the ride and feel of my 2013 better.  I also test drove the new Venza and loved. It’s at the top of my list. Look and feel of a Lexus and really had a smooth ride
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Post by: hit_that_line on March 19, 2021, 09:57:06 AM
Wholesale used car prices +24% yoy. There’s no inflation though!
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Post by: BASS on March 19, 2021, 10:46:06 AM
Wholesale used car prices +24% yoy. There’s no inflation though!

they weren't that cheap last year.  i got a 2020 mustang gt with the pp1 last may for less than most used 19's and 18's were listed with 10k or less miles and did not have the pp1 package.  granted may last year was the perfect time to buy a car, and it came with a bunch of dealer and manufacturer incentives.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 19, 2021, 11:40:44 AM
I’m seeing a lot of new 2020 dealers are trying to get off the lot while trying to sell 2021. Considerable price difference and full warranty. The Jaguar E Pace 2020 brand new is 10k cheaper than the 2021 model and no difference
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Post by: TexZilla on March 19, 2021, 02:20:04 PM
yeah I know those people. I try to keep my car clean and uncluttered at all times. I only keep a few things in the trunk space.

I drove the hybrid RAV4 yesterday and found it odd. I felt like every time I stopped it would make a beep as I applied the breaks. I liked it but I def thought I liked the ride and feel of my 2013 better.  I also test drove the new Venza and loved. It’s at the top of my list. Look and feel of a Lexus and really had a smooth ride

Which flavor Venza you looking at?  The Limited?  Toyota has some vehicle packages that include paint film you were looking into. 
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 19, 2021, 02:25:29 PM
Which flavor Venza you looking at?  The Limited?  Toyota has some vehicle packages that include paint film you were looking into.
the top trim which I guess is the limited and that’s why I drove. Real Leather seats, stargaze which was pretty fucking sweet although I didn’t realize the roof itself does not retract. Everything is digital which will take some getting used to. I thought it drove on the interstate amazing and the handling was awesome. Really liked it and felt like a Lexus. I’m gonna drive the XC40 tomorrow and debating checking out the bmw x2. It looks fun but think it will be too small for me. The E Pace looks cool too but I wonder about reliability
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Post by: TexZilla on March 19, 2021, 03:28:25 PM
Ever wonder why used Jaguars have low mileage?  Because they stay broken in the shop for months.  Does Lucas do the electronics on that ePace?  Brits never got the hang of electricity on cars.

The Toyota will hold value better than any of the others
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 19, 2021, 03:46:08 PM
Ever wonder why used Jaguars have low mileage?  Because they stay broken in the shop for months.  Does Lucas do the electronics on that ePace?  Brits never got the hang of electricity on cars.

The Toyota will hold value better than any of the others
right now the Venza is my top fav. I drive the XC40 tomorrow which has the top reviews. I am not buying a gd Tiguan just based on the name of the vehicle. The Venza truly is a great vehicle but all my friends think I’m buying a station wagon if I get it 🤦‍♀️
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Post by: BASS on March 19, 2021, 03:50:06 PM
right now the Venza is my top fav. I drive the XC40 tomorrow which has the top reviews. I am not buying a gd Tiguan just based on the name of the vehicle. The Venza truly is a great vehicle but all my friends think I’m buying a station wagon if I get it 🤦‍♀️

no love for the subaru?  you can drive one and not be into chicks.  not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 19, 2021, 04:04:19 PM
no love for the subaru?  you can drive one and not be into chicks.  not that there's anything wrong with that.
I am not a big fan because I feel compared to other vehicles in the forester and outback class the tech is lacking. I’m not paying all this money for a vehicle with basic bitch shit. Subaru and Volkswagen seem to be decent vehicles but I feel like in terms of tech and cool shit they ain’t there. My sister is getting a forester but I just can’t seem to get into them.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Filthy_McSwine on March 19, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
Have you driven the Mazda yet?  Try the Signature if you want tech.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 19, 2021, 05:24:10 PM
Have you driven the Mazda yet?  Try the Signature if you want tech.
no the signature with the turbo is on my list. I’m not a fan of the exterior of the Mazda but I wanna test drive and see how I like.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: DirkPiggler on March 21, 2021, 08:27:15 PM
Any thoughts on the new BMW 4 series convertible? 

We drove a M440 over the weekend.  Thinking about pulling the trigger on it for the wife.  We looked at used 430s with the hard top, but didn't care for them.  The new ones are all soft top, but are a little larger and more plush. 
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 21, 2021, 08:42:13 PM
I am still going to test drive the bmw x2 but I drove both the Volvo XC40 and XC60 this weekend and I’m about sold. That 40 is like driving a sports car snd just goes. There’s a few things like fabric in door pane that I’m not a real fan of even at the highest trim unless it’s black. Also drove the XC60 and loved it as it’s just a tad bigger but more luxury in the inside. The price difference between the top trim XC40 and the momentum XC60 loaded are about the same price because there’s more specials and cash back offers on the 60. I can’t decide which I like better. I am debating maybe leasing that way I can have one for three years and then upgrade but I have never leased and feel like I’m just tossing money away. I’ve never had so much driving a car as that XC40 I just feel like it’s just a little more plain even top trim than the 60.🤦‍♀️
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on March 22, 2021, 05:47:57 PM
I am still going to test drive the bmw x2 but I drove both the Volvo XC40 and XC60 this weekend and I’m about sold. That 40 is like driving a sports car snd just goes. There’s a few things like fabric in door pane that I’m not a real fan of even at the highest trim unless it’s black. Also drove the XC60 and loved it as it’s just a tad bigger but more luxury in the inside. The price difference between the top trim XC40 and the momentum XC60 loaded are about the same price because there’s more specials and cash back offers on the 60. I can’t decide which I like better. I am debating maybe leasing that way I can have one for three years and then upgrade but I have never leased and feel like I’m just tossing money away. I’ve never had so much driving a car as that XC40 I just feel like it’s just a little more plain even top trim than the 60.🤦‍♀️

Leasing only makes sense if youre going to always live with a car payment or if you can use the car as part of your work.  ive done it and i think its a trap for most folks.
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Post by: Barton Fink on March 22, 2021, 06:25:02 PM
Splurge and get the 60. They are sharp.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 22, 2021, 07:55:24 PM
Splurge and get the 60. They are sharp.
the XC60 is actually cheaper fully loaded than the XC40 right now with the incentives. But I can’t decide. The XC40 is hella fun to drive
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Post by: asshat on March 22, 2021, 07:56:50 PM
At your age it's probably wiser to buy a more comfortable ride.
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Post by: 1st_down_streak on March 22, 2021, 07:59:58 PM
At your age it's probably wiser to buy a more comfortable ride.

Does the xc60 come in station wagon?
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 22, 2021, 08:30:35 PM
At your age it's probably wiser to buy a more comfortable ride.
fuck off. I want something fun to drive. They both are fun but the XC40 is def my first choice but the 60 is def more luxurious and sits a littler taller up. The dealer just sent me a notice that due to snowstorms they are trying to reduce their inventory because they’re at capacity. They’re gonna give me a deal they said since I’ve already been to test drive. Ugh ok. Send me a new quote. Meanwhile I’m gonna test drive at another dealership and see what they quote me.
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Post by: TexZilla on March 22, 2021, 11:34:56 PM
fuck off. I want something fun to drive. They both are fun but the XC40 is def my first choice but the 60 is def more luxurious and sits a littler taller up. The dealer just sent me a notice that due to snowstorms they are trying to reduce their inventory because they’re at capacity. They’re gonna give me a deal they said since I’ve already been to test drive. Ugh ok. Send me a new quote. Meanwhile I’m gonna test drive at another dealership and see what they quote me.

Then buy a Corvette if youre looking for fun.  Or a VW Golf Type R.  Or a Shelby.  Crossovers are all modern station wagons.  Its a Volvo.  Safety is all they care about.  But if you like it buy it.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on March 24, 2021, 08:34:38 AM
Then buy a Corvette if youre looking for fun.  Or a VW Golf Type R.  Or a Shelby.  Crossovers are all modern station wagons.  Its a Volvo.  Safety is all they care about.  But if you like it buy it.
the XC40 is fun as fuck to drive an awd vehicle with clearance living here so that other shit won’t work. My problem is that the xc60 is more luxury and less money with all the current incentives. I’m going to drive them again. I hate making decisions like this
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 05, 2021, 09:13:10 AM
I still can’t make a decision...going to drive the Mazda cx30 and 5 turbo today. I feel like the infotainment screen is small. Plus no touchscreen but y’all all seem to praise it. We shall see. I’ve ruled out I think the XC40 some of the trim is just cheap so I’m either xc60 or maybe the Mazda
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Post by: Son_of_Spam on April 05, 2021, 09:32:03 AM
I still can’t make a decision...going to drive the Mazda cx30 and 5 turbo today. I feel like the infotainment screen is small. Plus no touchscreen but y’all all seem to praise it. We shall see. I’ve ruled out I think the XC40 some of the trim is just cheap so I’m either xc60 or maybe the Mazda
I looked at the CX 30 a while back. To me, it looked smaller than the CX-5. My wife loves her CX-9. I may get a CX-5 next.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 05, 2021, 09:43:12 AM
I looked at the CX 30 a while back. To me, it looked smaller than the CX-5. My wife loves her CX-9. I may get a CX-5 next.
it is...the 30 is 173” and the 5 is 179. I am going to see today how the turbo carbon edition drives. Everyone here keeps raving about them and the reviews are great...so why not.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 05, 2021, 07:18:15 PM
Drove both Cx30 and cx5. The interior quality is fantastic. It’s up there or better than most luxury brands. The 30 drives amazing and so does the 5. What gets me is the infotainment. Those of you that have a Mazda how easy is it to adjust it isn’t touch screen which is what I really like better. It took me a while to try and figure out the entertainment and how to get into shit
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Post by: pigtacular on April 05, 2021, 08:17:18 PM
If I had to choose between the two, I'd prefer a separate physical selector mechanism that I don't have to reach for.  Doesn't Audi or BMW have something like that (that is done well)?

Solely a touch screen without tactile feedback seems like a bad idea.
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Post by: Filthy_McSwine on April 05, 2021, 08:23:39 PM
Drove both Cx30 and cx5. The interior quality is fantastic. It’s up there or better than most luxury brands. The 30 drives amazing and so does the 5. What gets me is the infotainment. Those of you that have a Mazda how easy is it to adjust it isn’t touch screen which is what I really like better. It took me a while to try and figure out the entertainment and how to get into shit

I mentioned a while back that my wife bought a 2021 CX-5 Signature.  At first she wasn't real thrilled but has since gotten used to it and now even likes it.  The more you use it the more intuitive it becomes and there's shortcuts that make going between screens faster.  I actually prefer it after having it on a BMW a couple of years ago.  And you're right about the quality, inside and out.  It doesn't hurt it hauls fucking ass and handles great, at least for the class.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 05, 2021, 09:12:24 PM
If I had to choose between the two, I'd prefer a separate physical selector mechanism that I don't have to reach for.  Doesn't Audi or BMW have something like that (that is done well)?

Solely a touch screen without tactile feedback seems like a bad idea.
the Volvo XC60 is a way better entertainment screen...larger, touch screen with a home button that you can toggle up and down and swipe to get to things. I’m leaning towards it because of all the vehicles I’ve driven I love the tech and it seems the most advance snd easy to use while driving. Toyota was too confusing and basic. Mazda screen is small and everything is done from the console area and the toggling back and forth seemed to do it in for me. But the drive and leather is too notch. If they change to a bigger screen and make it touch screen in the next three years I’ll buy it. For now I think I’m sold. Also a pano moonroof would be nice as their sunroof is very small
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Post by: Son_of_Spam on April 05, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
Drove both Cx30 and cx5. The interior quality is fantastic. It’s up there or better than most luxury brands. The 30 drives amazing and so does the 5. What gets me is the infotainment. Those of you that have a Mazda how easy is it to adjust it isn’t touch screen which is what I really like better. It took me a while to try and figure out the entertainment and how to get into shit
Once you get used to it, it is easy. Bluetooth, CarPlay, etc. There are lots of other things but I would have to read the book to tell you about them. I love the fact that Waze will show up on the info screen. Nearly all the controls are either on the steering wheel or the knob on the console. The only drawback I have is that your phone will not charge unless the car is turned on.  But that is a small thing.
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Post by: DirkPiggler on April 06, 2021, 10:40:54 AM
If I had to choose between the two, I'd prefer a separate physical selector mechanism that I don't have to reach for.  Doesn't Audi or BMW have something like that (that is done well)?

Solely a touch screen without tactile feedback seems like a bad idea.

BMW has both the touchscreen and the iDrive system, which is a twist knob with function buttons next to the gear shift.  You can also pay a little extra and get gesture control for the touchscreen if that's your thing. 
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Post by: BASS on April 06, 2021, 10:53:23 AM
What does one do with infotainment system in a car?  I just listen to radio and use my phone for whatever I need.

My mustang has two screens, one where the radio is, doesn't do much else unless I have it bluetoothed to my phone. The other is between the speedometer and tach and I have steering wheel buttons to navigate tire pressure, digital speedo, engine stats, fuel, etc.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 06, 2021, 10:58:19 AM
What does one do with infotainment system in a car?  I just listen to radio and use my phone for whatever I need.

My mustang has two screens, one where the radio is, doesn't do much else unless I have it bluetoothed to my phone. The other is between the speedometer and tach and I have steering wheel buttons to navigate tire pressure, digital speedo, engine stats, fuel, etc.
everything is on the tablet like screen. Apple play, the xm radio, air/heat, turning off on all the various auto drive functions ect. Mazda is a solid ride and car but their set up sucks. I liked the Mercedes as well but the gear shift being the window wiper thing was a total turn off as well as flaps to manually shift on the steering wheel.

Look I’m a Luddite...I need something easy that’s not gonna be a distraction when driving. To me the Volvo system is the easiest and most advance I’ve seen which is why I’m just gonna go with the xc60. If in a few years Mazda goes touch screen and gets a bigger screen I’m sold and will buy one
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Post by: BASS on April 06, 2021, 11:02:59 AM
everything is on the tablet like screen. Apple play, the xm radio, air/heat, turning off on all the various auto drive functions ect. Mazda is a solid ride and car but their set up sucks. I liked the Mercedes as well but the gear shift being the window wiper thing was a total turn off as well as flaps to manually shift on the steering wheel.

Look I’m a Luddite...I need something easy that’s not gonna be a distraction when driving. To me the Volvo system is the easiest and most advance I’ve seen which is why I’m just gonna go with the xc60. If in a few years Mazda goes touch screen and gets a bigger screen I’m sold and will buy one

I'd be happy with the tech in a 1970 plymouth barracuda. When I'm driving, I drive and listen to music, that's pretty much it. If I don't know where I'm going I use Google maps on my phone.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 06, 2021, 11:04:46 AM
I'd be happy with the tech in a 1970 plymouth barracuda. When I'm driving, I drive and listen to music, that's pretty much it. If I don't know where I'm going I use Google maps on my phone.
im not buying a new car that doesn’t have every bell and whistle. Including the wireless charge station. I get it though...for two decades I’ve been like that but now I’m ready for a major upgrade
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Post by: TexZilla on April 06, 2021, 12:12:49 PM
im not buying a new car that doesn’t have every bell and whistle. Including the wireless charge station. I get it though...for two decades I’ve been like that but now I’m ready for a major upgrade

I haven’t seen the Volvo Qi charging pad but in a car MagSafe from Apple is the only way to ensure your phone stays connected.  Qi is better for stationary use like a nightstand.  If you want MagSafe you have to go aftermarket. 
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 06, 2021, 12:13:47 PM
I haven’t seen the Volvo Qi charging pad but in a car MagSafe from Apple is the only way to ensure your phone stays connected.  Qi is better for stationary use like a nightstand.  If you want MagSafe you have to go aftermarket.
what in the fuck did you just say?
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Post by: TexZilla on April 06, 2021, 05:54:34 PM
what in the fuck did you just say?

The wireless charging standard for your hone is Qi (chee).  If it doesnt have the Qi seal it is some bullshit Chinesey knockoff that will burn down your house or fuck up your car.  The problem with Qi in a car is that it was not designed for cars but stable immobile flat surfaces; the hone must be perfectly aligned on the qi pad to work properly.  This is the inherent flaw in the technology and why it sucks in a car unless using a mount with a clamp.  As advanced as you want to believe Volvo is on these electronics all manufacturers are way behind the aftermarket. 

MagSafe was developed by Apple to overcome this flaw in all applications.  it is only available in the aftermarket.  It uses magnets to align and secure the charging disc, similar to what you use with an Apple watch.

Basically every time you hit a bump your phone will misalign, an wont charge. 

Do you use wireless charging now at home?
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 06, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
The wireless charging standard for your hone is Qi (chee).  If it doesnt have the Qi seal it is some bullshit Chinesey knockoff that will burn down your house or fuck up your car.  The problem with Qi in a car is that it was not designed for cars but stable immobile flat surfaces; the hone must be perfectly aligned on the qi pad to work properly.  This is the inherent flaw in the technology and why it sucks in a car unless using a mount with a clamp.  As advanced as you want to believe Volvo is on these electronics all manufacturers are way behind the aftermarket. 

MagSafe was developed by Apple to overcome this flaw in all applications.  it is only available in the aftermarket.  It uses magnets to align and secure the charging disc, similar to what you use with an Apple watch.

Basically every time you hit a bump your phone will misalign, an wont charge. 

Do you use wireless charging now at home?
no but I would like to. I’m a Luddite dude
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Post by: TexZilla on April 06, 2021, 06:26:10 PM
no but I would like to. I’m a Luddite dude

Thats why im trying to explain to you.  We know youre a Luddite but you have been enamoured of the wireless technology to the point youre about to spend $40k on a car for a feature that costs $30-50 at Best Buy.  if you love the Volvo buy it, but dont base it on a silly charging pad.  You'll be on here complaining about it at some point.  Do me a favor and at least put a wired car charger an cable in your glove box just in case the qi breaks.  You'll drive 8 hours out into the wilderness and discover your phone is dead.
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Post by: Barton Fink on April 06, 2021, 06:43:07 PM
BMW has both the touchscreen and the iDrive system, which is a twist knob with function buttons next to the gear shift.  You can also pay a little extra and get gesture control for the touchscreen if that's your thing.

Wife has the gesture controls on her BMW. It's more of a pain than a feature.
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Post by: Barton Fink on April 06, 2021, 06:52:26 PM
I use this in my truck. Pretty happy with it.
https://youtu.be/QUYwlYyHd68 (https://youtu.be/QUYwlYyHd68)
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 06, 2021, 07:21:08 PM
The suv I found I loved doesn’t have wireless charging but everything else so I said fuck it. The salesman actually said it’s easier to just buy and install like Tex was talking about so will do.

Also since when do cars now have heater steering wheels? I mean if the car is warm do you really need them? The only thing I wish this. At had that it doesn’t is air ventilated seats like the Mazda. It’s fantastic on leather but meh I’ll survive
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Post by: Barton Fink on April 06, 2021, 07:31:06 PM
Posted wrong vid before. This one with wireless charging and gives you an extra usb.
https://youtu.be/aZlXAVZWMeM (https://youtu.be/aZlXAVZWMeM)
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Post by: DirkPiggler on April 06, 2021, 09:26:37 PM
Wife has the gesture controls on her BMW. It's more of a pain than a feature.

I had it on a loaner for a day.  Only gesture I could figure out was how to tell the system it was number one. 

We didn't get it on the new one.  Texzilla will be happy to know we didn't get wireless charging either.  Wireless CarPlay is nice.
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Post by: Too Big Pig on April 06, 2021, 10:04:04 PM
Wife has the CX-5. The interior is top notch, and one big selling point is that is one of the few cars still completely assembled in Japan. I know buy American and all that, but the quality control is way better over there. Sorry, it is what it is.

The infotainment knob becomes second nature and allows you to do everything with your arm in a relaxed manner on the console.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on April 06, 2021, 10:07:40 PM
Wife has the CX-5. The interior is top notch, and one big selling point is that is one of the few cars still completely assembled in Japan. I know buy American and all that, but the quality control is way better over there. Sorry, it is what it is.

The infotainment knob becomes second nature and allows you to do everything with your arm in a relaxed manner on the console.
i didn’t like it and why is the screen so small? The interior and quality of leather though are top notch down to the stitching. Rivals a Mercedes on the inside attention to detail. Mercedes nob control is easier to navigate than Mazda’s. It just seemed basic having to constantly toggle back to get where I wanted to go. That Mazda Cx30 is still on my list for a later date though. It beat the XC40 hands down on drive, interior and everything just about.
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Post by: TexZilla on May 15, 2021, 08:28:43 AM
Swahili what did you buy?  What phone you got?  Do you have/use AirPlay?  Do you want wireless?  Or fast charging?  I’ll give you some recs.
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Post by: Swahili Steve on May 16, 2021, 01:22:58 PM
Swahili what did you buy?  What phone you got?  Do you have/use AirPlay?  Do you want wireless?  Or fast charging?  I’ll give you some recs.
o got the Volvo XC60 love it. I have Apple car play and like it but wtf why is it not wireless. The cord to plug it into is in my console and it’s just a pain  having a cord going to my mountain the dash for it. Why ain’t this Shit wireless? The phone is but why not Apple car play?

Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Barton Fink on May 16, 2021, 04:00:25 PM
Wireless car play is just being made available for some car makers. It will be standard in the near future.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: DirkPiggler on May 16, 2021, 04:12:05 PM
Wireless car play is just being made available for some car makers. It will be standard in the near future.

I will say that, while I'm thrilled to have wireless CarPlay in the X5, it is a big time battery hog.  The wireless charger doesn't keep pace with the usage...about the best you can hope for is for it to slow the drain. 
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Barton Fink on May 16, 2021, 06:43:29 PM
I typically plug in anyways. If I'm gonna listen to tunes I might as well get a charge as well.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on May 16, 2021, 07:23:59 PM
I don’t like that mine is in the console like I have a charger wire running out of the console to my phone which is mounted next to my infotainment. It’s annoying af
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: TexZilla on May 17, 2021, 08:59:00 PM
I don’t like that mine is in the console like I have a charger wire running out of the console to my phone which is mounted next to my infotainment. It’s annoying af
I don’t like that mine is in the console like I have a charger wire running out of the console to my phone which is mounted next to my infotainment. It’s annoying af
Well here is the conundrum of technology with car manufacturers.  They are always behind the technology because it has to see years of testing.  The issue for you will be car play vs fast charging.  I suggest getting a PD enabled charger that can out 20ws plus from the USBc output.  Get a USBC to lightning cable.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on May 18, 2021, 08:24:05 AM
Well here is the conundrum of technology with car manufacturers.  They are always behind the technology because it has to see years of testing.  The issue for you will be car play vs fast charging.  I suggest getting a PD enabled charger that can out 20ws plus from the USBc output.  Get a USBC to lightning cable.
the lightning cable I have no works fine I just don’t like it coming out of the gd console and across the arm rest to my phone mounted on the ac by the infotainment. I like clean lines lol.

Also I’ve had two nails in tires in two weeks that couldn’t be fixed. Discount tire has the best deal as I warranty all tires for $26 each and then if they can’t fix free tire. I don’t know honestly know how people survive with a patch kit only....most all cars that aren’t full suv or truck have no spare. If I didn’t have a spare tire I would have been fucked as my tire both times had a nail on the side wall that couldn’t be repaired. Seems unsafe not to have a spare and that’s exactly why I chose the XC60 over the 40. No spare
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Barton Fink on May 18, 2021, 09:02:46 AM
Fuck Discount Tire. They wanted to charge me $300 to mount and balance my tires. Why, because I didn't buy the tires from them. Otherwise it's $80. I will never buy from them again.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on May 18, 2021, 09:15:56 AM
Fuck Discount Tire. They wanted to charge me $300 to mount and balance my tires. Why, because I didn't buy the tires from them. Otherwise it's $80. I will never buy from them again.
I bought only one tire from them and now I have free rotations forever, every tire is insured even though I didn’t buy from them and they actually bought the non awd tire I had to use to get back to Denver last week back from me and charged me $50 less for the tire than I had quoted elsewhere and put it on with no labor charge. I mean I get it they weren’t exactly the smartest fucking people to deal with but they took care of me
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: BASS on May 18, 2021, 10:23:26 AM
Mustang did not come with a spare, but they did give me an air compressor mounted where the spare tire is supposed to go that I can plug into the car.  Didn't even come with a jack.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: 1st_down_streak on May 18, 2021, 10:28:51 AM
Fuck Discount Tire. They wanted to charge me $300 to mount and balance my tires. Why, because I didn't buy the tires from them. Otherwise it's $80. I will never buy from them again.

Doesn't sound right - did that include their road hazard? Do you drive a monster truck?
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Barton Fink on May 18, 2021, 10:56:37 AM
Doesn't sound right - did that include their road hazard? Do you drive a monster truck?
It's a 37" tire on a 22" wheel. Stock tire on a F250 is practically a 35" on a 20" wheel. Truck just has a level.

This is the second time I've had them quote an outrageous amount. I honestly thought it was just the first location. The other time was putting a 35" on the same truck in Frisco.
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Swahili Steve on May 18, 2021, 11:05:44 AM
Fuck Discount Tire. They wanted to charge me $300 to mount and balance my tires. Why, because I didn't buy the tires from them. Otherwise it's $80. I will never buy from them again.
why not just buy the tire from them and problem solved? Anyone is gonna charge you more to Mount and balance if not buying from them...just how it goes
Title: Re: It's new car time. And I'm no arab trader.
Post by: Barton Fink on May 18, 2021, 11:12:04 AM
I went down the street and had them mounted for $90. I actually called them for pricing but they had them on backorder.

Ended up buying them from a seller on EBay that sourced them from 3 warehouses.