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Title: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on February 12, 2017, 10:32:44 AM
We're about to start free agency, combine, and the draft.  And usually a spate of boneheaded wife beatings, drug busts, DUIs, and a murder or two from the players.

Over the cap has always been the best database on the cap and salaries and contracts.  They have added a tool that allows one to see the impact of a cut, a June 1 cut, trade, extension, etc of every player on every team.

http://overthecap.com/





Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on February 12, 2017, 11:29:49 AM

Just saw something in Facebook that Romo is headed to the Steelers.

Err, never mind, it's fake news.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on February 12, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
How does NE have 65 million in cap space


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on February 12, 2017, 11:55:56 AM
How does NE have 65 million in cap space


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Deflation
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on February 12, 2017, 12:19:16 PM
How does NE have 65 million in cap space


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they have a bunch of players on defense who's contracts are expiring so that number is inflated.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on February 12, 2017, 12:19:25 PM
How does NE have 65 million in cap space


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Because that team is Brady and a bunch of nobodys. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on February 12, 2017, 01:39:16 PM
Because that team is Brady and a bunch of nobodys.
Are you calling Trey Flowers a nobody!

Alma Sonic, right now!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 12, 2017, 02:14:19 PM
How does NE have 65 million in cap space


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Most of those guys already made a pretty good living while they were in college so they are giving back now.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on February 12, 2017, 02:21:29 PM
Are you calling Trey Flowers a nobody!

Alma Sonic, right now!
See you in 10 hours.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on February 12, 2017, 02:22:33 PM
See you in 10 hours.
I will be three hours behind. I will be driving from Georgia.


By the way, how tall are you?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on February 12, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
I will be three hours behind. I will be driving from Georgia.


By the way, how tall are you?
That's me, in the avatar pic.  My name is Jack.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on February 12, 2017, 02:40:23 PM
That's me, in the avatar pic.  My name is Jack.
Gotcha. Bring your roommates. I will take Janet.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 21, 2017, 10:06:02 AM
Okay, so I've been really listening to NFL Radio and absorbing tons of info.

This is what I've got so far:
Kirk Cousins is clearly sitting in the catbird seat.  The Redskins either have to franchise him again or they or some other team is going to have to cough up huge guaranteed money because he's getting it either way.

Jay Cutler is off in no man's land.  Big contract, underwhelming career.   I've heard everyone from Denver (please God no) to KC to Houston to forever mentioned with Romo.   

They keep saying the QB crop in the draft is soft but Watson does strike me as a guy you'd certainly think about getting a good QB coach and building a franchise around like Tampa may do with Winston.

It seems a certainty that Dalvin Cook, Fournette and McCaffery are going in the first round.  DMAC, I'm thinking, could end up in NE although he said that he thinks the Cowboys do want him back.

If you look at the list of cap space, it's fascinating. Cleveland, mostly for being skinflints, has a huge amount of carry over cap money.   Amazingly enough, the Pats have a huge amount of available money.  YOUR Dallas Cowboys are pretty much tied up.
Here is your list:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

The Eagles are trying to get Jason Peters to restructure his deal because of their cap limitations. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 21, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
Is KC moving on from Alex Smith? Why would they want Cutler over him?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 21, 2017, 10:19:17 AM
Not Cutler.  It's actually Romo I've heard the NFL radio guys speculate on.  I don't get it either but I guess if your team is a "win now" deal then Romo supposedly could be that last piece. 
 
Houston, Denver, KC, I'm not sure who else is in the window there.  I personally don't want Romo as a Bronco fan, for a myriad of reasons. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on February 21, 2017, 10:24:03 AM
Not Cutler.  It's actually Romo I've heard the NFL radio guys speculate on.  I don't get it either but I guess if your team is a "win now" deal then Romo supposedly could be that last piece. 
 
Houston, Denver, KC, I'm not sure who else is in the window there.  I personally don't want Romo as a Bronco fan, for a myriad of reasons.

Come on.  Romo to the Broncos would be pure awesomeness, if for no other reason than we could finally settle the Romo vs. Cutler debate.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 21, 2017, 10:36:34 AM
Ok. I could kinda see that if you didn't already have a fragile noodle armed QB that will lead you to a One and Done.

Romo will want to sign with a team that has a hope of doing something. The Broncos fit that bill.

Is Palmer retiring? I could see the Cardinals adding Romo and putting some pieces around him. Dome team, warm weather.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 21, 2017, 10:41:45 AM
Come on.  Romo to the Broncos would be pure awesomeness, if for no other reason than we could finally settle the Romo vs. Cutler debate.
No.
I still think it's up in the air. Both have terrible leadership skills.  Cutler still has way more in the tank than Romo and honestly, as fucked up as this sounds, I'd still take him back in Broncoland if he came cheap.   He's always tried to compare himself to Elway - here's your opportunity Shithead - the man is right there watching. 


Is Palmer retiring? I could see the Cardinals adding Romo and putting some pieces around him. Dome team, warm weather.
Palmer is 38.  There is actually smoke around Cutler to AZ. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Scotty Doesn't Know on February 21, 2017, 10:51:59 AM
No.
I still think it's up in the air. Both have terrible leadership skills.  Cutler still has way more in the tank than Romo and honestly, as fucked up as this sounds, I'd still take him back in Broncoland if he came cheap.   He's always tried to compare himself to Elway - here's your opportunity Shithead - the man is right there watching. 
Palmer is 38.  There is actually smoke around Cutler to AZ. 

This isn't the droonnnnkkk thread.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on February 21, 2017, 11:49:59 AM
Romo's 2017 uniform
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 21, 2017, 02:36:41 PM
No.
I still think it's up in the air. Both have terrible leadership skills.  Cutler still has way more in the tank than Romo and honestly, as fucked up as this sounds, I'd still take him back in Broncoland if he came cheap.   He's always tried to compare himself to Elway - here's your opportunity Shithead - the man is right there watching. 

wtf
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on February 21, 2017, 03:53:35 PM
No.
I still think it's up in the air. Both have terrible leadership skills.  Cutler still has way more in the tank than Romo and honestly, as fucked up as this sounds, I'd still take him back in Broncoland if he came cheap.   He's always tried to compare himself to Elway - here's your opportunity Shithead - the man is right there watching. 
Palmer is 38.  There is actually smoke around Cutler to AZ.

You're way off on Romo with respect to leadership skills.  The only areas where Cutler MIGHT have an advantage over Romo would be arm strength and relative durability. 

Keep in mind that I've never been a Romo fan as I say all this.  The Broncos could win another Super Bowl with a healthy Romo.  They will be lucky to get past the 1st round of the playoffs with a Cutler reunion tour. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 22, 2017, 06:23:26 AM
You're way off on Romo with respect to leadership skills.  The only areas where Cutler MIGHT have an advantage over Romo would be arm strength and relative durability. 

Keep in mind that I've never been a Romo fan as I say all this.  The Broncos could win another Super Bowl with a healthy Romo.  They will be lucky to get past the 1st round of the playoffs with a Cutler reunion tour.

No way he stays healthy for an entire season. I'd take bets he won't for an entire game. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsfan4life on February 22, 2017, 09:55:28 AM
No way he stays healthy for an entire season. I'd take bets he won't for an entire game.

For a game I'll take that bet.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 22, 2017, 11:41:08 AM
Can you picture O'Brien and Cutler's ego's clashing? Oh fuck yeah. Romo and O'Brien would give each other hand jobs.

Romo is just purely a gamble that one of these teams is going to take. Perhaps even a team willing to move their current starter and somehow acquire Romo. He's always had this fantasy of playing in a Patriots style system...Bill O'Brien is his only shot at that. Really I just feel like anyone that goes to Houston is subject to career suicide. It doesn't strike me as a stop that's going to cement Romo as a HOF qb. Denver makes some sense, but I kind of wonder about Romo in a cold weather non-dome city with tiny hands, a bad back, and a soft head. Denver would really want to kick the tires first.

Back to Cutler. The chargers would seem to be a good fit for him and his big arm working with Wisenhunt's office. He's certainly not an upgrade over Rivers but if the Chargers could move Rivers and pick up value...maybe it's something that would make sense.




 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 22, 2017, 12:40:55 PM
Believe it or not, all of these NFL Radio guys are still talking about Romo and the Chiefs.

It sounds crazy to me too. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on February 22, 2017, 02:40:36 PM
Houston is the team that needs him but they are paying Osweiler and can't get out of that.

I would think Romo would be a significant upgrade to Smith.  I'd take Cutler over Smith.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 22, 2017, 03:38:47 PM
Call his back fragile and blow out his rushed return from a broken collarbone and how his once-broken pinky means he's brittle, but WTF.
Other than that, dude played through broken ribs and a punctured lung in 2011. That's pretty much it.

But a "soft head?"  That's revisionist shit.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 22, 2017, 06:17:50 PM
Call his back fragile and blow out his rushed return from a broken collarbone and how his once-broken pinky means he's brittle, but WTF.
Other than that, dude played through broken ribs and a punctured lung in 2011. That's pretty much it.

But a "soft head?"  That's revisionist shit.

Ok

He's practically chuck Norris
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 22, 2017, 08:25:01 PM
I think the real question we should ask is:
would you rather have Tony Romo or Tom Brady?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 22, 2017, 09:09:30 PM
I think the real question we should ask is:
would you rather have Tony Romo or Tom Brady?
   

Stop eating paint chips.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DrMongoose on February 22, 2017, 11:15:08 PM
Believe it or not, all of these NFL Radio guys are still talking about Romo and the Chiefs.

It sounds crazy to me too.

NO NO NO HELL NO
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Hatchclan on February 23, 2017, 06:43:30 AM
Believe it or not, all of these NFL Radio guys are still talking about Romo and the Chiefs.

It sounds crazy to me too.
Please make this happen  :devil:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsfan4life on February 23, 2017, 02:24:08 PM
I think the real question we should ask is:
would you rather have Tony Romo or Tom Brady?

Says the guy still championing Cutler.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 23, 2017, 04:05:52 PM
Alex Smith isn't a great QB, but he's not by any means terrible. If the Chiefs needed a QB i wouldn't be opposed to Romo, but I would not go dumping Smith for him.

Reports are Cutler may retire rather than end up playing for a shit team. That sounds more like he wants to either stay a Bear or be released to choose his team.

From the sounds of it Bortles and Taylor aren't safe to remain starters for their current teams. I think the Bills are out of their tree if they think Jones is ready.

Haven't heard it lately but toward the end of the season there were talking heads suggesting the Colts aren't super happy with sucking for Luck.

I do wonder if the Vikings wish they could have just choked down a season of sucking instead of over paying Bradford. They would be an easy destination job for a number of veteran QBs right about now. Then again it's not as attractive with AP with one foot out the door.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 23, 2017, 08:12:32 PM
Honestly, I think this spells the end of Cutler's career. 
This is a guy who has always left people questioning about whether or not he really has the heart of a winner.  For it to be getting out there that he's pondering quitting and that he wouldn't be happy being a backup - I mean, honestly, what NFL Head Coach wants to tie his career to that?  Then consider the Jay Cutler price and ask that again?

Says the guy still championing Cutler.
come on now, don't act like that joke went over your head.

It's funny that all of the fans of other teams on here are all cringing at the prospect of Romo to their team or laughing at other teams getting him while all of the Cowboy pajama wearing homers on here think the guy is a HOFer. 

Jason Peters didn't budge and he's getting his money.  The Bills need to stay with Taylor.  I don't know what they think they're going to improve at QB when the guy has done reasonably well considering they have few playmakers and were still pretty good on offense. 

I think Alex Smith is good enough for the Chiefs to contend.  It's just a tough division but I don't think he's what stopping them so far from greatness. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 24, 2017, 07:02:09 AM
It doesn't strike me as a stop that's going to cement Romo as a HOF qb.

Please tell me you didn't really mean this. Is there a QB in the HOF that has won 2 play-off games in his career?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 24, 2017, 08:50:16 AM
Please tell me you didn't really mean this. Is there a QB in the HOF that has won 2 play-off games in his career?

Mean what? What IF he goes to the Broncos and wins two Super Bowls?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 24, 2017, 09:50:33 AM
It's funny that all of the fans of other teams on here are all cringing at the prospect of Romo to their team or laughing at other teams getting him while all of the Cowboy pajama wearing homers on here think the guy is a HOFer. 
HoFer? Jesus, who's claiming that? Is this the P&R board? Why does everything have to be so divergent?

I think it should carry some weight that the fans of the team that he has played for his entire career are defending him when folks are completely trashing him. Romo is no HoFer, but he's a top-15 QB when healthy in a league with a multitude of teams that are dying to just put somebody serviceable behind center.

System "fit" aspects aside, he'd be a clear upgrade for teams like the Chiefs, Broncos, Texans, Browns, Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Jaguars, etc. over what they currently have. We're talking about a league that is about to give Kirk Cousins a bunch of cash.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on February 24, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
HoFer? Jesus, who's claiming that? Is this the P&R board? Why does everything have to be so divergent?

I think it should carry some weight that the fans of the team that he has played for his entire career are defending him when folks are completely trashing him. Romo is no HoFer, but he's a top-15 QB when healthy in a league with a multitude of teams that are dying to just put somebody serviceable behind center.

System "fit" aspects aside, he'd be a clear upgrade for teams like the Chiefs, Broncos, Texans, Browns, Bills, Dolphins, Jets, Jaguars, etc. over what they currently have. We're talking about a league that is about to give Kirk Cousins a bunch of cash.
Key words right there.  I've always been a Cowboys fan, I like Romo, I liked him on my Fantasy Teams, however, his health is an issue and will be for the rest of his playing days.  Is a great QB sitting on your bench in street clothes better than a mediocre one on the field. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 24, 2017, 10:37:18 AM
Personally, I think his fragility is overblown a bit. I understand that many will disagree with that.
His back issues are noted, but they've all been isolated injuries too.

We'll see.
I just don't see how you can trash his ability. If I'm a team that has good overall talent, but is starving for decent QB play like the Texans, I'm jumping to take a shot with Romo.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Green_Lanternn on February 24, 2017, 01:21:17 PM
Deflation

Hell, I chortled..
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 24, 2017, 04:54:24 PM
Mean what? What IF he goes to the Broncos and wins two Super Bowls?

He's gotta win more playoff games in 1 year than he has in his WHOLE career just to win 1, and you have him winning 2. And not getting hurt......sure.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on February 24, 2017, 05:12:48 PM
Tony Romo would be welcomed by about 24 teams if they didn't have to figure out cap issues. 

the story is he has turned down offers from all the football networks for bigtime jobs, but that carrot is looming.  He is a deadly serious competitor, and has worked hard on his game to get where he is.  If he wants to coach he will be a good one; he knows the game well and evidently spent a lot of time grooming Stephen Jones son to the state championship.

Hate to see him go.  The only thing keeping him out of the HoF will be his playoff record and lack of a ring.  His numbers justify his consideration, and he will likely be a top 15 finalist his first year of eligibility.  No guarantees after that.

Texans could use him and Id love to see them trade for Watt.  Lots of talk that Tony can get a three from some teams, but just as many saying Jerry will give him his release June 1.  If that's the case lots of places he could land.  the wife wants him to stay in Dallas.




Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on February 24, 2017, 11:38:52 PM
Tony Romo would be welcomed by about 24 teams if they didn't have to figure out cap issues. 

the story is he has turned down offers from all the football networks for bigtime jobs, but that carrot is looming.  He is a deadly serious competitor, and has worked hard on his game to get where he is.  If he wants to coach he will be a good one; he knows the game well and evidently spent a lot of time grooming Stephen Jones son to the state championship.

Hate to see him go.  The only thing keeping him out of the HoF will be his playoff record and lack of a ring.  His numbers justify his consideration, and he will likely be a top 15 finalist his first year of eligibility.  No guarantees after that.

Texans could use him and Id love to see them trade for Watt.  Lots of talk that Tony can get a three from some teams, but just as many saying Jerry will give him his release June 1.  If that's the case lots of places he could land.  the wife wants him to stay in Dallas.
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That doesn't look hall of fame to me



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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on February 24, 2017, 11:43:50 PM
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Didn't think these were either, though


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 25, 2017, 06:20:29 AM
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That doesn't look hall of fame to me



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For Cowboys fans, EVERY player that played for them is a HoF player.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 25, 2017, 06:25:56 AM
Tony Romo would be welcomed by about 24 teams if they didn't have to figure out cap issues. 

the story is he has turned down offers from all the football networks for bigtime jobs, but that carrot is looming.  He is a deadly serious competitor, and has worked hard on his game to get where he is.  If he wants to coach he will be a good one; he knows the game well and evidently spent a lot of time grooming Stephen Jones son to the state championship.

Hate to see him go.  The only thing keeping him out of the HoF will be his playoff record and lack of a ring.  His numbers justify his consideration, and he will likely be a top 15 finalist his first year of eligibility.  No guarantees after that.

Texans could use him and Id love to see them trade for Watt.  Lots of talk that Tony can get a three from some teams, but just as many saying Jerry will give him his release June 1.  If that's the case lots of places he could land.  the wife wants him to stay in Dallas.

Seriously? Is Jerry also the GM of the Texans.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 25, 2017, 08:36:47 AM
For Cowboys fans, EVERY player that played for them is a HoF player.
Pretty much. 
Let's examine Texzilla's claim that 24 teams would welcome Romo.

NE, Saints, Packers, Colts, Giants, Panthers, Ravens, Skins, Titans, Steelers, Falcons, Lions, Cardinals, Chargers, Oakland, Bengals, Seahawks and Tampa Bay all say "wut?". 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 25, 2017, 09:41:35 AM
Pretty much. 
Let's examine Texzilla's claim that 24 teams would welcome Romo.

NE, Saints, Packers, Colts, Giants, Panthers, Ravens, Skins, Titans, Steelers, Falcons, Lions, Cardinals, Chargers, Oakland, Bengals, Seahawks and Tampa Bay all say "wut?".

Yeah there is no doubt the league is QB poor and/or filled with younger less established players but realistically even as a free agent I don't see where Romo has a ton of options short of the gigs he probably would not take such as San Fran. Houston, Denver, and maybe NYJ.

Unless we get a unexpected retirement from someone like Palmer, Rivers, Brees...
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 25, 2017, 09:52:23 AM
The league isn't really THAT QB poor... I mean no more than any other period.

Every one of the teams I listed probably feel like they have their franchise QB or a guy that they could develop in to a legit franchise QB already.   A few are long in the tooth but you aren't going to replace a guy like Palmer with a brittle, old guy like Romo.

I think Denver, Miami and Eagles probably feel like they have a guy on the team already that they believe can be the long term solution as well. 

Houston is in a special situation because they're in a "win now" mode while not having a QB solution and I'm not really sure what the discord in KC with Smith is.    On top of that, NE is going to dangle Garapalo out there to someone and Sam Bradford is still probably also going to be someone's main guy (I'm guessing MN) and Buffalo would be crazy, in my opinion, not to stay the course with Taylor. 

That really only leaves the usual suspects of shitty teams like the Jags, Browns and some teams in transition like the 49rs and Rams in this lurch.   The QB class coming out is supposedly weak but I don't see how someone isn't going to draft Watson fairly high with the hopes he can be a franchise guy. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 25, 2017, 11:36:50 AM
The league isn't that QB poor?
Fucking Ryan Fitzpatrick and Bryce Petty were battling for a starting job.
The Rams are talking about Case Keenum over Josh Goff, aren't they?
Kurt Cousins is about to get PAID.
The Vikes had to trade the bank for Sam Bradford.
The Cleveland Browns.
Chicago is sitting there with Barkley.
Denver and Miami are sitting there with average ass QBs.
Houston is a mess with a guy that was Denver's first choice.
Romo's age might be somewhat of a concern, but there are also 3 or 4 teams out there with aging QBs that have either fallen off or are about to fall off dramatically.

You're off your rocker if you think teams aren't jumping to get Romo.  Bitch about his health all you want, Pro Bowl QBs are wanted in this market.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 25, 2017, 12:27:07 PM
ALL of Romo's injuries are individual?

Ha ha.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on February 25, 2017, 01:42:28 PM
Yeah there is no doubt the league is QB poor and/or filled with younger less established players but realistically even as a free agent I don't see where Romo has a ton of options short of the gigs he probably would not take such as San Fran. Houston, Denver, and maybe NYJ.

Unless we get a unexpected retirement from someone like Palmer, Rivers, Brees...

Houston was a QB away from a possible Super Bowl run, they badly need Romo and I'm sure he would go there so family could stay in DFW.  That Osweiler contract, though....
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Boared Cynic on February 25, 2017, 04:01:13 PM
Gotta hand it to Osweiler. Shows a little leg and nails a huge contract.  Cutler's been doing that shit for years.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 25, 2017, 06:04:43 PM
Osweiler leaves the Texans in a terrible situation.  If I were the owner, I'd probably go ahead and bite the bullet on Romo in that particular situation but the mandate would be Super Bowl 2018 or bust and if Romo insists on playing, then if I were his agent I wouldn't take anything less than a guaranteed deal for 2 years or something. 

The league isn't that QB poor?
Fucking Ryan Fitzpatrick and Bryce Petty were battling for a starting job.
The Rams are talking about Case Keenum over Josh Goff, aren't they?
Kurt Cousins is about to get PAID.
The Vikes had to trade the bank for Sam Bradford.
The Cleveland Browns.
Chicago is sitting there with Barkley.
Denver and Miami are sitting there with average ass QBs.
Houston is a mess with a guy that was Denver's first choice.
Look, I know you're a Cowboy fan but you don't declare first and second round QB's failures this quickly.   A number of the teams YOU think would be jumping at Tony Romo aren't going to shelve a first round guy unless conditions are RIGHT NOW for the Super Bowl run.  Teams that are built to make a Super Bowl run that aren't absolutely locked in at QB - MN, Houston, Denver and KC..... and I think Houston is really the only viable option there. 

Taking this point by point:
Jets are Jets.
The Rams may be looking at Keenum for a stop gap, but clearly they are projecting Goff to be the franchise guy.
It has all worked out beautifully for Kirk Cousins - but outside of the Texans, I doubt  you'd find a team that would want to pay Romo large money over paying Cousins large money.  Cousins may price himself out of the market for anyone BUT the Redskins but that has nothing to do with Romo.
I'm guessing the Vikes are going to keep trying with Bradford.
Cleveland is Cleveland.
Chicago is paying the price for the Cutler mess.
Denver is going to invest in to Lynch because he's a first round draft pick.  You don't declare a first round QB a failure 1 year in.
Miami, I pay no attention to and while you say Osweiler was Denver's first choice - they let him walk, didn't they? 

Romo could be a stop gap, veteran guy to hold on to for 2 years if you are an NFL team that has invested in to a first round QB but you're silly to think teams are falling over themselves to pay large money to stick Romo in and stagnating the growth of their real investment. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on February 26, 2017, 07:08:35 AM
I would bet Romo ends up getting released and ends up signing a modest cap friendly contract...somewhere.

I don't know how this works exactly but if there was a way to restructure the Romo contract and make it so he could be traded...that might be a thing to at least from the Cowboys point of view.

If you are Jerry Jones you can pay that man his money and let him hold a clip board, maybe make some front office arrangements, or pay that man his money and let him go free to potentially beat you.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 26, 2017, 07:18:44 AM
It seems like the options for Romo currently are AFC teams so I don't think Jones would have to worry about that. 

With Romo it's all about cost.  You know he's only a one or two year guy, if that, so if you are an NFL team sitting on what you think is your long term guy, then you bring him in for that.  I don't think the Texans or Chiefs think they have their long term guy but Denver thinks they do with Lynch. 

I don't know why Romo wants to play, frankly.  The kind of injuries he has suffered aren't trifling.  He's had an honorable career and I imagine DFW can probably supply an ample amount of trophy women while he figures out if he wants to do the coaching thing or not.  Can Jones DO a player-coach thing with him?  Make him part of the Prescott success story instead of a bystander to it. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on February 26, 2017, 08:13:55 AM
It seems like the options for Romo currently are AFC teams so I don't think Jones would have to worry about that. 

With Romo it's all about cost.  You know he's only a one or two year guy, if that, so if you are an NFL team sitting on what you think is your long term guy, then you bring him in for that.  I don't think the Texans or Chiefs think they have their long term guy but Denver thinks they do with Lynch. 

I don't know why Romo wants to play, frankly.  The kind of injuries he has suffered aren't trifling.  He's had an honorable career and I imagine DFW can probably supply an ample amount of trophy women while he figures out if he wants to do the coaching thing or not.  Can Jones DO a player-coach thing with him?  Make him part of the Prescott success story instead of a bystander to it.

The whole issue centers on Romo wanting to start and believing teams will pay for him to do that.  If he would stay and be the backup Jerry can restructure his deal so he gets another big bonus and he can play another five years.  It works with Daks rookie contract.

I don't think Romo gets in the HoF without a ring.  I believe a ring will put him in that group of perennial discussion and top 15 finalists...we have a bunch coming up...Rivers, Eli, etc that fall in there.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 26, 2017, 08:16:20 AM

I don't know why Romo wants to play, frankly.  The kind of injuries he has suffered aren't trifling.  He's had an honorable career and I imagine DFW can probably supply an ample amount of trophy women while he figures out if he wants to do the coaching thing or not.  Can Jones DO a player-coach thing with him?  Make him part of the Prescott success story instead of a bystander to it.

Ah, he's married with 2 kids....and his wife just announced on the radio that she's pregnant with #3.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BEvERage on February 26, 2017, 09:37:21 AM
Ah, he's married with 2 kids....and his wife just announced on the radio that she's pregnant with #3.
Rules
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on February 26, 2017, 09:50:15 AM
Ah, he's married with 2 kids....and his wife just announced on the radio that she's pregnant with #3.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 26, 2017, 05:55:45 PM


If you would have read Cerdo's post about trophy women, you would know the point.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on February 26, 2017, 07:25:36 PM
If you would have read Cerdo's post about trophy women, you would know the point.

I think he was asking what being married had to to with also being the recipient of an unending stream of DWF trophy women.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on February 27, 2017, 10:14:11 AM
I think he was asking what being married had to to with also being the recipient of an unending stream of DWF trophy women.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on February 28, 2017, 03:50:24 PM
AP is a free agent next week.  And the Viking just gained 24 million extra dollars to spend (18 million salary plus 6 million bonus).
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 28, 2017, 06:39:53 PM
I can almost see him back with the Vikings in a month but at the new, low price. 

It will be interesting how much a future HOF back with his productivity, but age, commands in the open market. 
If you knew he was healthy and ready to go, he'd be the final piece of a Super Bowl puzzle for someone like the Giants or Packers, even at a really high price. 
I don't see how GB thinks ARod has over a year or two left in the tank and then that window of opportunity is probably sealed up shut tight for a very, very long time. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on February 28, 2017, 06:43:39 PM
I can almost see him back with the Vikings in a month but at the new, low price. 

It will be interesting how much a future HOF back with his productivity, but age, commands in the open market. 
If you knew he was healthy and ready to go, he'd be the final piece of a Super Bowl puzzle for someone like the Giants or Packers, even at a really high price. 
I don't see how GB thinks ARod has over a year or two left in the tank and then that window of opportunity is probably sealed up shut tight for a very, very long time.

AP is interesting though b/c he's had less wear and tear the last couple of years due to injury.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on March 01, 2017, 08:21:33 AM
I can almost see him back with the Vikings in a month but at the new, low price. 

It will be interesting how much a future HOF back with his productivity, but age, commands in the open market. 
If you knew he was healthy and ready to go, he'd be the final piece of a Super Bowl puzzle for someone like the Giants or Packers, even at a really high price. 
I don't see how GB thinks ARod has over a year or two left in the tank and then that window of opportunity is probably sealed up shut tight for a very, very long time.
What part of Rodgers game makes you believe he has only a year or 2 left in the tank?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on March 01, 2017, 09:41:59 AM
AP is interesting though b/c he's had less wear and tear the last couple of years due to injury.

Yeah yeah that's the ticket. All those tore up knees has left him with low mileage.

Ok my thoughts are The Vikings will move on because they are in rebuilding mode. Bridgewater may never be the same, they really don't have a star to anchor that franchise. Their line sucks. It's time to turn the page.

AP will probably get plenty of interest but I'm betting it's a bargain deal with someone looking to add a luxury piece and not signing him to take 20-25 carries a game to be the lead rusher. He could be perfect in that Marcus Allen role (late in his career with the Chiefs) where he's more of a red zone back and getting 10-15 touches a game.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 01, 2017, 09:56:44 AM
What part of Rodgers game makes you believe he has only a year or 2 left in the tank?
The easy answer would be the drop off for much of this year but I think it's more than that.  Part of the real magic of his game is his mobility to do the magic that he does with his arm.... but I personally feel that part will leave him over the next couple of years. 
Just my own, uneducated thoughts from watching. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on March 01, 2017, 10:06:32 AM
The easy answer would be the drop off for much of this year but I think it's more than that.  Part of the real magic of his game is his mobility to do the magic that he does with his arm.... but I personally feel that part will leave him over the next couple of years. 
Just my own, uneducated thoughts from watching.
He mighta started slow this year but there was zero drop off than I could see as to predict his legs are going to go anytime soon. Career highs in completions (401), attempts (610) and rushing yards (369). Also accounted for 40 passing TDs, 4 rushing TDs vs only 7 INTs and 4 fumbles. He damned near single handedly got them into the playoffs and the NFC title game. If GB could get a running game at all Rodgers would be that much better off.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on March 01, 2017, 10:24:21 AM
More on the Romo discussion.  He may get released tomorrow, but I think he and Jerry Jones are so close, it wouldn't surprise me to see him finish out as a Cowboy, even as the backup.  He may never be the Cowboys' head coach, but Romo will have a long distinguished career as a coach, if he wants.  He is an overachiever who improved his skills from decent to top shelf through hard work (and probably lots of throwing over ladders).  Unfortunately, something-- bad timing, karma, or more than likely just not having that little bit something more to not choke at the only time you cannot choke is his legacy as a player.  As a coach, I think he would be able to use his ability to recognize his shortcomings to get over the hump and succeed.  This is his only shot at the Hall of Fame.  Should Dak get hurt, or Romo get traded and he stayed healthy enough to win a Super Bowl, his legacy will still be the fumbled extra point, etc.  The regular season game with either the Broncos or Colts (Peyton was the qb) where Romo almost broke the single game yardage record, but threw the key interception at the end will sum his playing career up in many folks' minds.

The Dallas Cowboys of the late 60's and 70's had a reputation for not being able to win the big game.  They finally did , several times, and most of you puppies never knew this was their rep.  The haters enjoy the rep of not being able to make it back to the Super Bowl because they like to pin it all on Jerry Jones' arrogance of saying anybody could do what Jimmy Johnson did.  They're completely right.  Dallas will always suffer the Jimmy Johnson curse until they go on a run of 2 or 3 Super Bowls in 5 or 6 years.  They are really a few defensive linemen away from this to be brutally honest.  Maybe Stephen Jones won't try and bring in Ken Hatfield or Lou Holtz to show anybody could do it, like daddy tried to prove. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 04, 2017, 07:18:33 AM
I think yesterday was day one of the Combine and from casually listening to it, it appears that it's a celebration of Christian McCaffrey.  Fournette has gained a little mass and ran a 4.5 or so 40. 

Skipper looked slow.

With the 49rs Kirk Cousins talk heating up, NFL network guys were speculating about Romo and the Redskins.   
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on March 04, 2017, 08:01:28 AM
Fornette coming in heavy and taking half the season off are just signs that he wants to get paid and just eat cheetos. Or at least that's what the talking heads think. They don't want to draft a guy high and he end showing up at camp at 270 with a beer in hand. I think Karlos Williams knows what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 04, 2017, 08:47:06 AM
I've pondered on Fournette a bunch.
Obviously he has wanted to get paid.  I think, as a GM with a first round pick, I'd go ahead and take him.  He's going to get paid and I think he'll be a satisfied guy.

You run him hard, you let him know that the real money comes on the second contract and then you figure his career is over.  The ability is too much to pass up on. 

I figure the Cowboys are going to have to rework Dak's deal after they figure out what to do with Romo. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on March 04, 2017, 03:10:48 PM
Morgan and Sprinkle turn in two of the slowest 40 times.

Body by Herb? The transformation is complete. We are a Big Ten team.

Strength and power is important. Speed wins championships. It also gets you to the next level.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on March 04, 2017, 03:14:12 PM
Morgan and Sprinkle turn in two of the slowest 40 times.

Body by Herb? The transformation is complete. We are a Big Ten team.

Strength and power is important. Speed wins championships. It also gets you to the next level.

Herb is the guy that needs to be cut loose. SO over-rated. Makes good hyped videos though.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on March 04, 2017, 03:24:26 PM
lol. all of the 2015 & 16 players (10) drafted are in the league, plus kirkland as a free agent. the two previous classes had 8 players drafted with 5 still on rosters.
sprinkle and morgan will get their shot.

 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: wvhawgfan on March 04, 2017, 04:22:08 PM
Morgan and Sprinkle turn in two of the slowest 40 times.

Body by Herb? The transformation is complete. We are a Big Ten team.

Strength and power is important. Speed wins championships. It also gets you to the next level.
I still haven't figured out the point of the way they run the 40 at the combine. Hatcher's last run was the best example of whats wrong with it. Who cares if their arm isn't in the exact right position when the take off. It's laser timed at start and finish so just let them line up and run.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on March 04, 2017, 04:39:52 PM
I still haven't figured out the point of the way they run the 40 at the combine. Hatcher's last run was the best example of whats wrong with it. Who cares if their arm isn't in the exact right position when the take off. It's laser timed at start and finish so just let them line up and run.

baseline stuff and all that. Probably watching how they run as much as how fast they run.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 04, 2017, 08:50:28 PM
I still haven't figured out the point of the way they run the 40 at the combine. Hatcher's last run was the best example of whats wrong with it. Who cares if their arm isn't in the exact right position when the take off. It's laser timed at start and finish so just let them line up and run.

They measure the four ten yard segments of the 40.  Each tells a variety of stories for different positions.  The first 10, for OLinemen, is about burst, the last about endurance and athleticism. No one is looking at a lineman and using the 40 in case he has to run down a pick six.  The standing long jump tests lower body power.



Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 05, 2017, 09:25:25 AM
Sprinkles excelled in the five finger discount drill and standing Belk lift.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 05, 2017, 10:35:30 AM
Carl Lawson sure looks pretty solid in every drill for DL.  The Hall kid that played opposite of Garrett looks really good as well.

You can really see the difference in size and strength for SEC DL compared to a lot of other conferences when you watch 15 guys do the same drill in a row. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 05, 2017, 11:39:39 AM
Well, after 3 days of keeping the combine on TV non stop, I can pretty much confirm why we weren't very good in 2016. 

Our upperclassmen were as slow as all get out. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 05, 2017, 12:34:42 PM
Well, after 3 days of keeping the combine on TV non stop, I can pretty much confirm why we weren't very good in 2016. 

Our upperclassmen were as slow as all get out.

The constant coverage is getting old.  Most of these former players turned commentators and reporters have no clue about player evaluation; the interviews with these prospects are horrible.  They only overhype and hyperoverhype these prospects; the majority of them will be washouts.  The knobjobs they gave John Ross was ridiculous;  a record in the 40 doesn't overcome his awful knees and busted shoulder; and can he even run an NFL route tree or catch a ball?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: MDEM on March 05, 2017, 01:38:26 PM
Romo and the Redskins.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooó
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: wvhawgfan on March 05, 2017, 02:01:04 PM
They measure the four ten yard segments of the 40.  Each tells a variety of stories for different positions.  The first 10, for OLinemen, is about burst, the last about endurance and athleticism. No one is looking at a lineman and using the 40 in case he has to run down a pick six.  The standing long jump tests lower body power.
None of that explains the starting nazi
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 05, 2017, 02:11:40 PM
None of that explains the starting nazi

Its the NFL.  They have probably seven folks watching that start, same as they do for excessive celebration or wearing socks that are our of compliance.  And yet they cant really define what a catch is.  The place is run by lawyers.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on March 05, 2017, 02:34:36 PM
Well, after 3 days of keeping the combine on TV non stop, I can pretty much confirm why we weren't very good in 2016. 

Our upperclassmen were as slow as all get out.

The others are scared of a squatting competition against our guys though.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on March 05, 2017, 06:00:36 PM
So I guess the freaks didn't come out?
  That must come later when the lights go off.  Is there a combine on the roof at midnight? :D
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on March 05, 2017, 08:07:36 PM
I've pondered on Fournette a bunch.
Obviously he has wanted to get paid.  I think, as a GM with a first round pick, I'd go ahead and take him.  He's going to get paid and I think he'll be a satisfied guy.

You run him hard, you let him know that the real money comes on the second contract and then you figure his career is over.  The ability is too much to pass up on. 

I figure the Cowboys are going to have to rework Dak's deal after they figure out what to do with Romo.
Given the choice I'd take Dalvin Cook over Fournette without hesitation.

Dallas won't change Dak's contract until they have to. This should be just like Seattle have plenty extra cash to build up their team due to their QB on a rookie contract.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on March 05, 2017, 08:54:29 PM
Given the choice I'd take Dalvin Cook over Fournette without hesitation.

Dallas won't change Dak's contract until they have to. This should be just like Seattle have plenty extra cash to build up their team due to their QB on a rookie contract.
Agreed.  Fournette is a physical specimen but absorbs too much contact to stay healthy in the NFL.  The league has changed.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on March 06, 2017, 07:37:29 AM
Why not show up fat drunk and stupid and hope Cleveland doesn't draft you. Solid thinking.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 06, 2017, 07:41:41 AM
Cook is definitely the guy that consensus opinion has chosen as the first RB drafted.  I personally wasn't that impressed with him the little that I saw of him.

Garrett is apparently solidified as a for sure, top 1-3 pick..... which of course brings up the interesting annual carnival of Cleveland draft strategy. 

I still think the Clemson QB would be my first round choice if I was drafting high. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 06, 2017, 11:38:20 AM
Cook is definitely the guy that consensus opinion has chosen as the first RB drafted.  I personally wasn't that impressed with him the little that I saw of him.

Garrett is apparently solidified as a for sure, top 1-3 pick..... which of course brings up the interesting annual carnival of Cleveland draft strategy. 

I still think the Clemson QB would be my first round choice if I was drafting high.

McElroy Jetson couldn't stop foaming at the mouth this morning about Garrett.  He seemed eerily hung up in hand size.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on March 06, 2017, 02:37:26 PM
What part of Rodgers game makes you believe he has only a year or 2 left in the tank?
I'd need to know how many children his wife has produced to give a definitive answer.

And is Bridgewater even thinking about playing again?  From what I read, he almost needed an amputation just from dropping back and planting.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 06, 2017, 07:40:53 PM
I'd need to know how many children his wife has produced to give a definitive answer.

And is Bridgewater even thinking about playing again?  From what I read, he almost needed an amputation just from dropping back and planting.

Rodgers ain't got no kids.  Don't you watch the Bachelor?  He hasn't talked to his family because they all hate his main squeeze Olivia Munn.  GB fans hate him because she fucks up his mechanics.

Bridgewater is lucky to be walking.  He may never play but he's getting paid as long as bikes believe he might come back.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on March 06, 2017, 08:23:56 PM
Bert may be able to put guys in the NFL, but to me that doesn't matter a whole lot.  I just want him to put together 22 guys that play great together, for the whole 60 minutes.

Morgan and Sprinkle running slow times doesn't really matter.  If you can produce well in the SEC, you can play in the NFL, but you have to be able to do the work. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on March 06, 2017, 11:23:57 PM
It seems that the Saints are shopping Brandin Cooks to teams in the first round with the Titans, Patriots and 49ers interested.  About the only thing Brady didn't have last year was a home run threat, and Cooks would make that team almost unfair.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on March 07, 2017, 12:10:47 PM
there's only so much you can do to develop speed, especially high end speed like the 40 measures

a lot of that is just natural ability
it's no shocker that we didn't have anyone tear it up on the 40
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on March 09, 2017, 02:38:41 PM
Cutler looking for a job....Surprise.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on March 09, 2017, 02:42:17 PM
Bears have gone full retard as they offer more in millions of dollars per year in compensation ($15mm) to Mike Glennon to be their QB than he has attempted career passes (11).  deal is for 3 years, no mention of how much is guaranteed.

this is more wtf? than houston signing osweiler to a bajillion dollar contract last year.  at least osweiler had attemped more than 11 career passes as manning's back up.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DLog12 on March 09, 2017, 02:47:44 PM
Osweiler traded to Cleveland along with a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick for a 4th round pick

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on March 09, 2017, 02:51:47 PM
opens the door for romo to the texans. also guarantees the browns pick myles garrett #1.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: jsimp on March 09, 2017, 02:58:20 PM
Osweiler traded to Cleveland along with a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick for a 4th round pick

hoping this means jerry is gonna trade romo for a stud off that Texans defense instead of just letting him walk because that's his boy
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on March 09, 2017, 03:19:39 PM

hoping this means jerry is gonna trade romo for a stud off that Texans defense instead of just letting him walk because that's his boy

this may have merit.  mort reporting that cowboys will trade romo and not release him. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on March 09, 2017, 04:32:22 PM
Bears have gone full retard as they offer more in millions of dollars per year in compensation ($15mm) to Mike Glennon to be their QB than he has attempted career passes (11).  deal is for 3 years, no mention of how much is guaranteed.

this is more wtf? than houston signing osweiler to a bajillion dollar contract last year.  at least osweiler had attemped more than 11 career passes as manning's back up.
Huh? Glennon is 374-630 for 4100yds, 30 TDs and 15 Ints in his career. $19 mil guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on March 09, 2017, 04:34:58 PM
Huh? Glennon is 374-630 for 4100yds, 30 TDs and 15 Ints in his career. $19 mil guaranteed.

Every time I saw Glennon play I was impressed.  Plus when he was starting they didn't have the talent they have now which hurt him as far as wins and losses.  Think the Bears are going to like this deal.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on March 09, 2017, 05:29:54 PM
Osweiler traded to Cleveland along with a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick for a 4th round pick

Granted I haven't bothered to keep up with how NFL contract finances work these days, but it seems the Texans got the wee short end of this.  All I can guess is it's a salary dump.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on March 09, 2017, 05:39:52 PM
Granted I haven't bothered to keep up with how NFL contract finances work these days, but it seems the Texans got the wee short end of this.  All I can guess is it's a salary dump.

Its a salary dump but a 2nd (2018) and a 4th and 6th (2017) aren't bad for that players value. That guy could be a slight upgrade but probably not much more than another body to throw out there. Kessler comparatively had a better QBR than the guy they just traded for. Brockweiler may be able to take a beating...and he may have to. RGIII I'm gathering may be looking for a new residence.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on March 09, 2017, 07:03:09 PM
Ted Ginn to the Saints, which means Cooks is all but gone.  Patriots have offered Malcom Butler and a draft pick, but rumor has it he might go to the Titans.  I'd definitely take Butler in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: CardiacHOG on March 09, 2017, 07:42:29 PM
Its a salary dump but a 2nd (2018) and a 4th and 6th (2017) aren't bad for that players value. That guy could be a slight upgrade but probably not much more than another body to throw out there. Kessler comparatively had a better QBR than the guy they just traded for. Brockweiler may be able to take a beating...and he may have to. RGIII I'm gathering may be looking for a new residence.

Cleveland gets  Osweiller + 6th round pick 2017 + 2nd round pick 2018 
Houston gets 4th round pick 2017 and get to remove $16 million from their salary cap. 



Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on March 09, 2017, 08:04:56 PM
Cleveland gets  Osweiller + 6th round pick 2017 + 2nd round pick 2018 
Houston gets 4th round pick 2017 and get to remove $16 million from their salary cap.

Oh...well the article I read was wrong then. Damn internet.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on March 09, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
Huh? Glennon is 374-630 for 4100yds, 30 TDs and 15 Ints in his career. $19 mil guaranteed.

my bad, misheard the stats.  he's attempted 11 passes in the last 2 years.  0-0 in 2015.  10-11 for 75 yards and 1 td in 2016.  $45mil for a guy who has essentially played a partial season 2.5 years ago and has a career passer rating under 85 is still full retard.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Scotty Doesn't Know on March 09, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
my bad, misheard the stats.  he's attempted 11 passes in the last 2 years.  0-0 in 2015.  10-11 for 75 yards and 1 td in 2016.  $45mil for a guy who has essentially played a partial season 2.5 years ago and has a career passer rating under 85 is still full retard.
The Jets wish they could have two full retards that good.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 10, 2017, 07:08:32 AM
Reports say the other teams talking to Glennon were offering in the $10m a year range.  Bears. being Bears...dumb.

Browns may just cut Osweiler; they got a 2 and a 6 for 4 for $16m in cap space.  They might give pats a ton of picks for garafalo, and cut osweiler.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on March 10, 2017, 02:36:53 PM
Taking Osweiler was a genius move for Cleveland.  It's going to be interesting to see if Depodesta's plan works out, but they have 22 picks the next 2 drafts and 18 in the first 5 rounds of both.  Two #1's and two #2's this year, and three #2's next year.  That's 8 picks in the first 2 rounds over the next 2 drafts.  If they draft even mediocrely in those drafts they could conceivably build a very good team with little to no cap issues.  If they draft amazingly, they could be a monster.  It's like what Dallas did in '90 and '91 with those Vikings picks, except if Cleveland elects to hold those picks instead of trade them to move up in the draft, or get a cap heavy player from another team, they could get some phenomenal talent at a cheap price.  I don't see it being a sustained success, but the Browns could be legit contenders by 2019 and 2020.  The fucking Browns. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on March 10, 2017, 07:50:15 PM
https://twitter.com/diannaespn/status/840360890402799620

 :suicide:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on March 10, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
cooks will probably have 1200 yrds in that offense.
and belichick was more than likely going to trade that #32 pick anyway. he always seems to win the off season.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Scotty Doesn't Know on March 11, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
cooks will probably have 1200 yrds in that offense.
and belichick was more than likely going to trade that #32 pick anyway. he always seems to win the off season.

Not as big as the Moss trade but cooks will end up being an all pro.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: jsimp on March 11, 2017, 08:02:03 PM
Schefter says Dallas cant find anybody to trade for romo. Other teams are betting on Jerry being a fucktard and just releasing him. They prolly right
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on March 17, 2017, 11:50:20 AM
Not as big as the Moss trade but cooks will end up being an all pro.
Mike Thomas might be better. He had one of the better rookie years that I've seen.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on March 20, 2017, 01:52:12 PM
Kniles is headed to Pittsburgh.  Hurtt can relax now.   ;)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on March 20, 2017, 07:36:49 PM
Kniles is headed to Pittsburgh.  Hurtt can relax now.   ;)

Been a good couple of years in that sense, with Cobi, Felix and now Knile wearing Black and Gold.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on March 21, 2017, 09:14:01 AM
Kniles is headed to Pittsburgh.  Hurtt can relax now.   ;)
Knile's gym muscles stopped impressing KC.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 21, 2017, 12:14:37 PM
If any of youse can play DB the Cowboys want to talk to you.

Jets sign mo Claibourne to fill Revis Island.  He will be barbecued by the fanbase there and hurt for the season by end of September.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 24, 2017, 09:17:46 AM

The NFL is changing how replay works.  It will now be a more centralized system, similar to that used in MLB.

How NFL replay reviews are changing: R.I.P. hood, hello tablet (http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/234392/how-nfl-replay-reviews-are-changing-so-long-hood-hello-tablet)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on March 24, 2017, 09:31:44 AM
Play it on the jumbo tron so everyone can see and it's completely transparent.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 27, 2017, 01:56:05 PM


The Raiders' move to Las Vegas was approved today by the owners 31-1, with only the Dolphins voting against it. 

The Raiders will now play one, and maybe two, lame duck seasons in Oakland before heading off to Nevada. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on March 27, 2017, 01:59:37 PM
whether the local fan support lasts will remain to be seen, but the first few years in vegas will be awesome.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 27, 2017, 02:02:15 PM
whether the local fan support lasts will remain to be seen, but the first few years in vegas will be awesome.


If they keep playing like they did in 2016, it should stay.

If they revert to putting a product back on the field like they had between, say, 2003-2015, it'll probably die off pretty quickly. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on March 27, 2017, 02:20:15 PM
they're the raiders
that's probably one of the only franchises that just absorbs another move like that.
let's not act like most of their fans are probably already booking trips to vegas
the colosseum will be on fire by the time they finally leave
the infield dirt will be the only thing that won't burn
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on March 27, 2017, 02:22:22 PM
in all seriousness, the raiders are one of a hanful of franchises that has a national fanbase
the local support thing really won't be much of a hurdle for them

they've been playing on a baseball infield for decades
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on March 27, 2017, 02:37:45 PM
so cal is full of raider fans. close to twenty 40 minute flights daily out of la and san diego or a 3-4 hour drive.
the strip friday and saturday nights and a game on sunday. not a raiders fan, but i have never needed a reason to get back to vegas, so i'll take in a game or two.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 27, 2017, 04:49:55 PM
Las Vegas is full of people who will love to get dressed up in Vader masks, put on dog collars and wave plastic swords. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on March 27, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
Las Vegas is full of people who will love to get dressed up in Vader masks, put on dog collars and wave plastic swords.

those aren't swords. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 27, 2017, 04:53:18 PM


Will they have these guys out to drum up some business for the Raiders?

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/29/u4esy9yb.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 27, 2017, 11:09:09 PM
The Raiders will be perfect in Vegas, although with a lot of teams half the tix will be going to the visitors.  They will pull a lot of their legacy fan base from LA and from NorCal but the same factors will work with visitors.  Fans who rarely go to a local pro game might go to Vegas.

Fuck Oakland.  That stadium is the worst shithole


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on March 27, 2017, 11:12:41 PM
The stadium simply reflects the town and the people
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Hatchclan on March 28, 2017, 04:07:13 AM
As a longtime Raider fan I am happy that they are getting out of that stadium but sad that they have to leave Oakland.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 28, 2017, 07:55:49 AM
Honestly, if I were running the Raiders, I'd start a subtle process of rebranding them simply as The Raiders and move away from geography entirely.

I'm not joking.  The Raiders have a fan base that is unique and not tied to Oakland or even California.  Besides their own marketing as a league renegade, their colors and logos were also woven in to pop culture, rap culture, hell, even gang culture.  With a fan base like theirs, they could easily do something like play a few games a year in other places like Oakland, LA, hell, San Diego as well, while drawing in their national base with all of those cheap flights to Vegas. 

I'd start working on a regional identity for them, long term, kind of like the Golden State Warriors or California Angels were implying with those names.    Honestly, if I were the NFL, I'd slowly start moving the whole bunch of teams towards that.  NFL fans aren't really tied to Green Bay or Pittsburgh or Dallas anymore. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on March 28, 2017, 08:08:47 AM
Honestly, if I were running the Raiders, I'd start a subtle process of rebranding them simply as The Raiders and move away from geography entirely.

I'm not joking.  The Raiders have a fan base that is unique and not tied to Oakland or even California.  Besides their own marketing as a league renegade, their colors and logos were also woven in to pop culture, rap culture, hell, even gang culture.  With a fan base like theirs, they could easily do something like play a few games a year in other places like Oakland, LA, hell, San Diego as well, while drawing in their national base with all of those cheap flights to Vegas. 

I'd start working on a regional identity for them, long term, kind of like the Golden State Warriors or California Angels were implying with those names.    Honestly, if I were the NFL, I'd slowly start moving the whole bunch of teams towards that.  NFL fans aren't really tied to Green Bay or Pittsburgh or Dallas anymore.



 :maundoed:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on March 28, 2017, 08:12:28 AM
Wow, you really burned me. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on March 30, 2017, 08:25:07 AM
Play it on the jumbo tron so everyone can see and it's completely transparent.
Transparency probably isn't real high on their list
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on March 30, 2017, 11:28:27 PM
Wow, you really burned me.
 

Your idea of banning the Raiders to the astral plane is change I can believe in.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: subliznime on March 31, 2017, 12:15:23 AM
so cal is full of raider fans. close to twenty 40 minute flights daily out of la and san diego or a 3-4 hour drive.
the strip friday and saturday nights and a game on sunday. not a raiders fan, but i have never needed a reason to get back to vegas, so i'll take in a game or two.

I live in southern Colorado and all the raiders fans here are delighted as Vegas is pretty close. There are a ton of raiders fans in Colorado, New Mexico and Arizona and they love this move.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: subliznime on March 31, 2017, 12:29:49 AM
Honestly, if I were running the Raiders, I'd start a subtle process of rebranding them simply as The Raiders and move away from geography entirely.

I'm not joking.  The Raiders have a fan base that is unique and not tied to Oakland or even California.  Besides their own marketing as a league renegade, their colors and logos were also woven in to pop culture, rap culture, hell, even gang culture.  With a fan base like theirs, they could easily do something like play a few games a year in other places like Oakland, LA, hell, San Diego as well, while drawing in their national base with all of those cheap flights to Vegas. 

I'd start working on a regional identity for them, long term, kind of like the Golden State Warriors or California Angels were implying with those names.    Honestly, if I were the NFL, I'd slowly start moving the whole bunch of teams towards that.  NFL fans aren't really tied to Green Bay or Pittsburgh or Dallas anymore.

Interesting you bring this up. My friend who is a raiders fan mentioned that this has already happened and you don't even notice it. Go look at most raiders apparel and logo stuff over the last few years apparently most of it doesn't say Oakland but just raiders. It's just the shield with the raider guy with "raiders" above.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on March 31, 2017, 10:28:08 AM
Interesting you bring this up. My friend who is a raiders fan mentioned that this has already happened and you don't even notice it. Go look at most raiders apparel and logo stuff over the last few years apparently most of it doesn't say Oakland but just raiders. It's just the shield with the raider guy with "raiders" above.


The Raiders are sort of the quintessential mercenary franchise.  15-20 years from now they'll probably leave Las Vegas for San Antonio or somewhere else. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on March 31, 2017, 06:08:46 PM
The Raiders could be a perpetually travelling team, like SMU back when they were wanting to play all their games on the road.

I think Las Vegas is perfect for them, as Raider fans will travel there, and Vegas will compel visiting team fans to travel. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 04, 2017, 09:35:34 PM
Amazon got the thursday night foozball streaming rights. Paid 50 million which according to the article I read was considerably more than last year's twitter streaming rights deal.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 05, 2017, 09:10:31 AM
Amazon got the thursday night foozball streaming rights. Paid 50 million which according to the article I read was considerably more than last year's twitter streaming rights deal.
I swear I thought Thursday night games were voted down this season.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 05, 2017, 10:59:54 AM
I don't understand why the NFL doesn't make it automatic that the team that plays the Thurs night game is the bye week team from the week before.   The buildup would be better and obviously that takes away the big criticism of it. 

I love those games because the weekend games sometimes are tougher for me with other responsibilities.   
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 05, 2017, 01:19:23 PM
the Thursday games are suffering from the same problem that killed Monday Night Football when it was a big game.  As long as the games draw better ratings than regular programming they stay but the rule requiring every team play a Thursday game is bringing a lot of shitty games.

The scheduling folks will not even make sure Sunday night travelling teams are not then playing Thursday night.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 05, 2017, 02:26:17 PM
the Thursday games are suffering from the same problem that killed Monday Night Football when it was a big game.  As long as the games draw better ratings than regular programming they stay but the rule requiring every team play a Thursday game is bringing a lot of shitty games.

The scheduling folks will not even make sure Sunday night travelling teams are not then playing Thursday night.
You mean that Jacksonville vs. Cleveland match-up doesn't hold your interest?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 05, 2017, 07:23:21 PM
There are at least a half dozen great matchups every week in the NFL but most people get stuck watching the shitty team in their market. 

I get that we all have to get that stuff forced on us.... but they could take those premium matchups and find enough of them with flex scheduling for Sunday Night and MNF to give better matchups than what we get. 

It really sucks to live in NWA and get Chiefs VS Jags and Cowboys VS Vikings or shit matchups like that on local TV while you're getting score updates of NE VS Pittsburgh on the crawl. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on April 05, 2017, 08:04:29 PM
 http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19085348/marshawn-lynch-visits-oakland-raiders-get-deal  (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19085348/marshawn-lynch-visits-oakland-raiders-get-deal)

Beastmode desert style.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on April 05, 2017, 08:53:08 PM
I don't understand why the NFL doesn't make it automatic that the team that plays the Thurs night game is the bye week team from the week before.   The buildup would be better and obviously that takes away the big criticism of it.   

this is the no-brainer way to do it.  so obviously the nfl is going to fuck it up.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 06, 2017, 07:23:13 AM
There are at least a half dozen great matchups every week in the NFL but most people get stuck watching the shitty team in their market. 

I get that we all have to get that stuff forced on us.... but they could take those premium matchups and find enough of them with flex scheduling for Sunday Night and MNF to give better matchups than what we get. 

It really sucks to live in NWA and get Chiefs VS Jags and Cowboys VS Vikings or shit matchups like that on local TV while you're getting score updates of NE VS Pittsburgh on the crawl.
The primary issue is Thursday as every team has to play a game and it fucks with the weekly routine.

The rest of you concerns are solved with Sunday Ticket.  The ones that aren't will not be solved unless you. Have a network and can buy all the rights to all the games.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 06, 2017, 08:35:56 AM
Every team has a bye week as well.
There's no reason that the Thursday night game shouldn't be a solid game. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 06, 2017, 08:55:28 AM
There are at least a half dozen great matchups every week in the NFL but most people get stuck watching the shitty team in their market. 

I get that we all have to get that stuff forced on us.... but they could take those premium matchups and find enough of them with flex scheduling for Sunday Night and MNF to give better matchups than what we get. 

It really sucks to live in NWA and get Chiefs VS Jags and Cowboys VS Vikings or shit matchups like that on local TV while you're getting score updates of NE VS Pittsburgh on the crawl.
I've had to watch some truly shitty Tennessee Titans teams the last few years.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DrMongoose on April 08, 2017, 11:49:01 PM
There are at least a half dozen great matchups every week in the NFL but most people get stuck watching the shitty team in their market. 

I get that we all have to get that stuff forced on us.... but they could take those premium matchups and find enough of them with flex scheduling for Sunday Night and MNF to give better matchups than what we get. 

It really sucks to live in NWA and get Chiefs VS Jags and Cowboys VS Vikings or shit matchups like that on local TV while you're getting score updates of NE VS Pittsburgh on the crawl.

Two,words: Red Zone

You will never watch the NFL on Sundays without it again
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Hatchclan on April 09, 2017, 05:57:58 AM
Two,words: Red Zone

You will never watch the NFL on Sundays without it again
Agreed
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 09, 2017, 11:52:08 AM
I've never tried Red Zone.
I've had Sunday Ticket numerous times but I  can't seem to make my ADD self sit down and watch what should be a good game between two teams besides the Broncos.   

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 09, 2017, 02:57:35 PM
Red Zone is for fantasy football or people with ADD. I like to watch an actual game.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 09, 2017, 09:47:50 PM
Red Zone is for fantasy football or people with ADD. I like to watch an actual game.

I disagree.  If your team is not playing on Sunday Red Zone makes for an entertaining afternoon.  I'm of the opinion it is for many folks the preferred way of watching the NFL and is directly responsible for the decline in numbers for regular games especially early in the season.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 09, 2017, 10:04:14 PM
I disagree.  If your team is not playing on Sunday Red Zone makes for an entertaining afternoon.  I'm of the opinion it is for many folks the preferred way of watching the NFL and is directly responsible for the decline in numbers for regular games especially early in the season.
   

It's just highlights to me and not as compelling as an actual game.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 10, 2017, 05:30:19 AM
I use the Sunday Ticket game mix channel to watch 8 games at the same time. It's fantasy football goodness.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 10, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
I use the Sunday Ticket game mix channel to watch 8 games at the same time. It's fantasy football goodness.

Me too.  I would imagine if I can convince my wife (or just man up and do it), I'll buy a little bit bigger screen, and it will be perfect.  I have 55" screen.  I'm thinking a 65 or 70 would do the trick.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 10, 2017, 10:18:42 AM
Me too.  I would imagine if I can convince my wife (or just man up and do it), I'll buy a little bit bigger screen, and it will be perfect.  I have 55" screen.  I'm thinking a 65 or 70 would do the trick.

Now is a good time to buy as the old models at egoing away.  The LG 65UH7700 should have a great price on a 65" 4K S-UHD with HDR and Dolby HDR, local dimming, and a 120Hz native panel.  Everything you need unless you spring for an OLED.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsfan4life on April 11, 2017, 10:24:12 PM
Red Zone is for fantasy football or people with ADD. I like to watch an actual game.

I personally like it... what were we talking about again?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: notaslibro on April 12, 2017, 08:10:47 AM
Red Zone is for fantasy football or people with ADD. I like to watch an actual game.


It's the "USA Today" of sports programming.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 12, 2017, 10:14:18 AM

It's the "USA Today" of sports programming.
Exactly, which is why it is awesome.  You can half ass pay attention to it but still get the highlights of what's happening.  If the games on Sunday are so-so, it's the way to go.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: notaslibro on April 12, 2017, 12:14:08 PM
Exactly

That was not a compliment.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 13, 2017, 08:19:18 AM
Cleveland reportedly passing on Garrett for Trubinski. 

Ha ha!  Dumpster fire continues.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 13, 2017, 08:55:00 AM
I notice that D Cook has now seemed to drop on a lot of these draft boards under Fournette. 
I honestly think people are massively undervaluing the Watson kid from Clemson.  I think he's a possible long term, franchise QB. 

I don't believe Myles Garrett is the second coming of Von Miller. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 13, 2017, 09:51:17 AM
That was not a compliment.
I realize that.  But USA Today is purportedly news while the NFL is entertainment anyway, so...

Fuck it.  What were we talking about again?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: notaslibro on April 13, 2017, 10:08:36 AM
I realize that.  But USA Today is purportedly news while the NFL is entertainment anyway, so...

Fuck it.  What were we talking about again?

Easter candy.  Yum.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 13, 2017, 06:23:40 PM

Garrett strikes me as a cut above Mingo. A lot of potential and a legit prospect but to put on my Mel Rev Hair...maybe a boom or bust guy.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 14, 2017, 07:52:49 AM
Dean Blandino resigns as NFL head of officiating to go to TV gig.

He was awful in my opinion but that leaves league in the lurch.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on April 14, 2017, 03:13:34 PM
Aaron Hernandez found not guilty in double murder trial.  Surprising.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on April 14, 2017, 03:18:32 PM
Aaron Hernandez found not guilty in double murder trial.  Surprising.

Dallas to the white courtesy phone.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on April 14, 2017, 03:58:40 PM
Dallas to the white courtesy phone.

Still has a four year sentence left for weapons charge.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on April 14, 2017, 04:13:45 PM
Still has a four year sentence left for weapons charge.
Oh.

I guess he could go to The Raiduhs then.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 14, 2017, 05:03:20 PM
Oh.

I guess he could go to The Raiduhs then.

He's serving a life sentence already.  He just avoided serving two more.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on April 14, 2017, 05:07:31 PM
He's serving a life sentence already.  He just avoided serving two more.
Well maybe he can get some playing time in the next version of The Longest Yard.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on April 14, 2017, 05:11:28 PM
He's serving a life sentence already.  He just avoided serving two more.
I know.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 14, 2017, 06:58:22 PM
Damn next thing you know this guy will have been raping to save just like Bill Cosby.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 17, 2017, 09:12:50 AM
I don't often watch Good Morning Football, but when I do, I want to bang Kay Adams.  That is all.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on April 19, 2017, 06:01:57 AM
Aaron Hernandez has decided to hang it up. By it, I mean himself.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 19, 2017, 07:14:43 AM
Aaron Hernandez has decided to hang it up. By it, I mean himself.
He beat the NFL to the punch and decided to suspend himself.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Clark on April 19, 2017, 07:27:44 AM
Cleveland just signed Hernandez to a three year deal.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 19, 2017, 07:37:06 AM
He beat the NFL to the punch and decided to suspend himself.

And he thought Brady hung him out to dry on a few crossing routes.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on April 19, 2017, 07:44:49 AM
Aaron Hernandez has decided to hang it up. By it, I mean himself.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 19, 2017, 07:45:29 AM
Cleveland Dallas just signed Hernandez to a three year deal.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on April 19, 2017, 08:54:43 AM
Injury Update: Aaron Hernandez (neck) out indefinitely.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on April 19, 2017, 09:27:00 AM
Injury Update: Aaron Hernandez (neck) out indefinitely.

With that kind of hang time, the Pats shoulda made him a punter.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Kill The Ref on April 19, 2017, 10:21:08 AM
Aaron Hernandez has decided to hang it up. By it, I mean himself.

This dude just can't stop killing people.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: asshat on April 19, 2017, 11:14:30 AM
This dude just can't stop killing people.
Heś done now.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 19, 2017, 12:49:37 PM
I don't get it.  I guess he never thought he'd get convicted?

If that was ever a thought, why didn't he run? 

He probably just didn't want to be teammates with Tebow anymore.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 19, 2017, 01:00:39 PM
Hernandez really left them twisting in the wind
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 19, 2017, 01:17:13 PM
This is before he got sick.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-09-17/sports/os-florida-gators-arrests-list-20100915_1_frankie-hammond-second-degree-misdemeanor-charge-misdemeanor-possession

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: MDEM on April 19, 2017, 02:42:10 PM
Haha Gronk.   :maundoed:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/854736542488711168
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on April 19, 2017, 02:49:56 PM
Haha Gronk.   :maundoed:

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/854736542488711168
As much as I loathe the fucking Pats, I love that fucking meathead Gronkowski.  He is the perfect mixture of stupid meets irreverence.  I want so badly to hate him, but I can't do it.  I hate reality shows, but this dude needs one more than any other athlete, washed up pop singer, or rich house wife.  He is like Jersey Shore, meets The Californians from SNL.  Please god ESPN make this happen. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 19, 2017, 03:05:35 PM
I don't get it.  I guess he never thought he'd get convicted?

If that was ever a thought, why didn't he run? 

He probably just didn't want to be teammates with Tebow anymore.

That Tebow is something.  Bringing athletes to God in all kinds of ways.


Oh, I guess you meant the going to jail part.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on April 19, 2017, 04:14:15 PM
I don't get it.  I guess he never thought he'd get convicted?

If that was ever a thought, why didn't he run? 

He probably just didn't want to be teammates with Tebow anymore.

He was already serving two life sentences.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on April 19, 2017, 04:16:27 PM
He was already serving two life sentences.

2 life sentences for one murder?  GD.  tough.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Clark on April 19, 2017, 06:07:20 PM
 :wha?:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on April 19, 2017, 07:11:34 PM
Trey Flowers got a nice shout out from Trump today
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 19, 2017, 08:49:46 PM
You mean, Trey Flowers, new Secretary of Defense? 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on April 19, 2017, 09:42:44 PM
2 life sentences for one murder?  GD.  tough.

Fuck's sake.

In 2014 AH was convicted of double murder.

This was a new trial, on separate charges.

It's like playing cards with my brother's kids.  Shit!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 19, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
Fuck's sake.

In 2014 AH was convicted of double murder.

This was a new trial, on separate charges.

It's like playing cards with my brother's kids.  Shit!

Well he didn't hang around for the appeal
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 19, 2017, 11:22:29 PM
He was already serving two life sentences.

I know that.  I was talking about initially.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on April 20, 2017, 07:43:00 AM
Fuck's sake.

In 2014 AH was convicted of double murder.

This was a new trial, on separate charges.

It's like playing cards with my brother's kids.  Shit!


acquitted on double murder last week.  not that it matters.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 20, 2017, 08:24:47 AM
This may be over and done but can the victims families sue the Hernandez estate to get whatever there is to get?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on April 20, 2017, 08:31:20 AM
This may be over and done but can the victims families sue the Hernandez estate to get whatever there is to get?

whatever the lawyers don't siphon off.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 20, 2017, 12:41:53 PM
Maurice Jones Drew is really good on NFL radio.   For an ex player he doesn't carry any of the biases you'd expect and is incredibly knowledgeable and articulate. 

Is Frank Gore a HOFer?  Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on April 20, 2017, 01:17:09 PM
Maurice Jones Drew is really good on NFL radio.   For an ex player he doesn't carry any of the biases you'd expect and is incredibly knowledgeable and articulate. 

Is Frank Gore a HOFer?  Thoughts?

No
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Sweet River Baines on April 20, 2017, 02:49:13 PM
Maurice Jones Drew is really good on NFL radio.   For an ex player he doesn't carry any of the biases you'd expect and is incredibly knowledgeable and articulate. 

Is Frank Gore a HOFer?  Thoughts?

He's #8 on the all time leading rushers list, he has a case.


Rushing Leaders
RK   PLAYER   YDS
1   Emmitt Smith   18,355
2   Walter Payton   16,726
3   Barry Sanders   15,269
4   Curtis Martin   14,101
5   LaDainian Tomlinson   13,684
6   Jerome Bettis   13,662
7   Eric Dickerson   13,259
8   FRANK GORE   13,065
9   Tony Dorsett   12,739
10   Jim Brown   12,312
11   Marshall Faulk   12,279
12   Edgerrin James   12,246
13   Marcus Allen   12,243
14   Franco Harris   12,120
15   Thurman Thomas   12,074
16   ADRIAN PETERSON   11,747
17   Fred Taylor   11,695
18   Steven Jackson   11,438
19   John Riggins   11,352
20   Corey Dillon   11,241
21   O.J. Simpson   11,236
22   Warrick Dunn   10,967
23   Ricky Watters   10,643
24   Jamal Lewis   10,607
25   Thomas Jones
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 20, 2017, 02:57:16 PM
Maurice Jones Drew is really good on NFL radio.   For an ex player he doesn't carry any of the biases you'd expect and is incredibly knowledgeable and articulate. 

Is Frank Gore a HOFer?  Thoughts?

My brain says yes but my eyes say no. Make any sense?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on April 20, 2017, 03:05:26 PM
Maurice Jones Drew is really good on NFL radio.   For an ex player he doesn't carry any of the biases you'd expect and is incredibly knowledgeable and articulate. 

Is Frank Gore a HOFer?  Thoughts?
No
I disagree.  Running backs have such a short shelf life.  The fact that Gore has been as consistent as he has for so long is pretty damn impressive.  He has the numbers (again mostly due to his longevity), and it's even more impressive because he has done this on a surgically repaired ACL which is often a death knell for a running back's explosiveness.  He doesn't necessarily look like the best player on the field at any time, but his body of work is impressive.  He is not a prolific TD scorer but his YPC is top 50 all time. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on April 20, 2017, 03:40:38 PM
He's #8 on the all time leading rushers list, he has a case.


Rushing Leaders
RK   PLAYER   YDS
1   Emmitt Smith   18,355
2   Walter Payton   16,726
3   Barry Sanders   15,269
4   Curtis Martin   14,101
5   LaDainian Tomlinson   13,684
6   Jerome Bettis   13,662
7   Eric Dickerson   13,259
8   FRANK GORE   13,065
9   Tony Dorsett   12,739
10   Jim Brown   12,312
11   Marshall Faulk   12,279
12   Edgerrin James   12,246
13   Marcus Allen   12,243
14   Franco Harris   12,120
15   Thurman Thomas   12,074
16   ADRIAN PETERSON   11,747
17   Fred Taylor   11,695
18   Steven Jackson   11,438
19   John Riggins   11,352
20   Corey Dillon   11,241
21   O.J. Simpson   11,236
22   Warrick Dunn   10,967
23   Ricky Watters   10,643
24   Jamal Lewis   10,607
25   Thomas Jones
He'll be 5th on that list after this season. That's 100% HOF if you're top 10 all time in rushing yards.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 20, 2017, 08:11:15 PM
My brain says yes but my eyes say no. Make any sense?

Perfect sense.  I wouldn't vote for him.  Winning still has to count.

Or be freakish like Barry, ED or LDT. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: papermill on April 20, 2017, 08:30:51 PM
Damn, Jim Brown quit early 50 years ago and he is still in the top 10

and they only played 12 games a year in his first 4 and only 14 in his last 5 - that's 26 games less than what's played in 9 years now
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 20, 2017, 09:04:57 PM
I've never felt that Bettis was a HOF back.  Had he played with a Jacksonville Jaguars type team, do you all believe he would have made it?

If Bettis is a HOF, then Gore has a real valid argument. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Snowman Slayer on April 20, 2017, 09:12:12 PM
Bettis is on there for most overrated of all time.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on April 20, 2017, 09:13:47 PM
I've never felt that Bettis was a HOF back.  Had he played with a Jacksonville Jaguars type team, do you all believe he would have made it?

If Bettis is a HOF, then Gore has a real valid argument.

I agree with this as well.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 20, 2017, 11:29:59 PM
Damn, Jim Brown quit early 50 years ago and he is still in the top 10

and they only played 12 games a year in his first 4 and only 14 in his last 5 - that's 26 games less than what's played in 9 years now

Jim Brown was the greatest that ever played.    He did all he did playing against teams that had little passing to take heat off him, and didn't break a sweat. Quit in his prme to bang Raquel Welch.  And was in the Dirty Dozen.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 21, 2017, 06:54:35 AM
That top 10 list just makes me wonder how many gazillion yards Barry Sanders would have had if he'd continued to play.  Plus, I like Emmitt, but playing behind the best O-line, with one of the best QBs and the best receivers in football didn't hurt.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 21, 2017, 08:18:33 AM
E Smith was a very fortunate back.... kind of like Aikman was a very fortunate QB. 

The one thing you can say about Smith though is that you damn well knew that guy was going to deliver on a third and 2.... while Sanders might break it for 80 or lose 6. 

The Jim Brown numbers are impressive as hell.  It seems obvious to me that he may have been the greatest non-QB player to ever step on to a football field. 
Quit in his prime to bang Raquel Welch
That is truly impressive.  I'd call that a HOF sex symbol, no doubt. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: notaslibro on April 21, 2017, 08:22:20 AM
Winning can't matter because Curtis MF Martin is in the NFL HOF.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 21, 2017, 08:34:32 AM
Well all the Dallas guys of the 90s were right guys right time and benefited by that offensive line. The Cowboys drafted other backs that were viewed as good but couldn't produce like 22.

That argument gets made these guys weren't as gifted...in quasi way Brady has benefited by the organization/system in place that makes the Pats very successful. My point is most of these HOF guys were great players but had an edge of timing, team, organization, exploitation of league trends inflating numbers...some kind of factor.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Scotty Doesn't Know on April 21, 2017, 09:30:39 AM
In my opinion, recieving yards have been significantly less impressive since the 2004 "Ty Law" rule. Passing numbers are so inflated that we may never see another performance like we did out of Marshawn or MJD. That's what makes Frank Gore impressive. He has ran for 13,000 yard during an era that has saw 5 different seasons of QB's breaking passing records.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: notaslibro on April 21, 2017, 09:35:06 AM
Quote
The three handwritten notes discovered in the cell where Aaron Hernandez hanged himself were written to his fiancée, his daughter and his gay jailhouse lover.

Two  of the notes were written to  Shayanna Jenkins-Hernandez and the couple's four-year-old daughter Avielle. Both were seen leaving her mother's Connecticut home Thursday.

Sources close to the investigation tell DailyMail.com that the third letter was written to Hernandez's gay prison lover, who has not been identified but was believed to be the last person Hernandez spoke to before he took his own life.

Now that man is currently under 'eyeball to eyeball' suicide watch.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 21, 2017, 11:59:07 AM


So he had multiple wives?  I didn't even know he was mormon.  I'll bet the 4 year old struggles with those notes unless she's a savant. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 21, 2017, 01:20:18 PM


The part about the gay prison lover has to be made up.  There is no way a football player could ever be gay.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 21, 2017, 03:25:25 PM
ESPN will have no choice but to give him an ESPY for such courage.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: notaslibro on April 21, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
The part about the gay prison lover has to be made up.  There is no way a football player could ever be gay.

Baseball players, though. . .
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 21, 2017, 04:07:47 PM
Well all the Dallas guys of the 90s were right guys right time and benefited by that offensive line. The Cowboys drafted other backs that were viewed as good but couldn't produce like 22.

That argument gets made these guys weren't as gifted...in quasi way Brady has benefited by the organization/system in place that makes the Pats very successful. My point is most of these HOF guys were great players but had an edge of timing, team, organization, exploitation of league trends inflating numbers...some kind of factor.

In the NFL, the line makes a difference, but the Cowboys put plenty of folks on the field behind that line and they couldn't do shit.  Other wise, Curvin Richards and Sherman Williams would have produced like Emmitt.  No doubt the line was a major part, and Moose, and having Aikman, Irvin, and Novacek, and that killer Jim MacKenzie defense helped the offense, but Emmitt was greatness.  Partly heart and mind, partly physical.  The one attribute all these at the top have in common was vision; their eyes are practically on the sides of their head.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 21, 2017, 04:28:38 PM
In the NFL, the line makes a difference, but the Cowboys put plenty of folks on the field behind that line and they couldn't do shit.  Other wise, Curvin Richards and Sherman Williams would have produced like Emmitt.  No doubt the line was a major part, and Moose, and having Aikman, Irvin, and Novacek, and that killer Jim MacKenzie defense helped the offense, but Emmitt was greatness.  Partly heart and mind, partly physical.  The one attribute all these at the top have in common was vision; their eyes are practically on the sides of their head.

Yeah and Jimmy would murder your entire family if you fumbled.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 21, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
In the NFL, the line makes a difference, but the Cowboys put plenty of folks on the field behind that line and they couldn't do shit.  Other wise, Curvin Richards and Sherman Williams would have produced like Emmitt.  No doubt the line was a major part, and Moose, and having Aikman, Irvin, and Novacek, and that killer Jim MacKenzie defense helped the offense, but Emmitt was greatness.  Partly heart and mind, partly physical.  The one attribute all these at the top have in common was vision; their eyes are practically on the sides of their head.

This is why I read woopig!  We've established two things.  One, that Emmitt Smith is a better RB than Curvin Richards (?) and Sherman Williams (?) and that, ...............well maybe one thing.

The other that I heard when I was 14 is that Emmitt was always doing cocaine before games so he was able to run better.  That's not a fact.  May be, but not proven.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 21, 2017, 07:51:03 PM
So the Saints open at Minnesota on MNF, then get the Patriots at home on short rest after NE will have 10 days rest, then go on the road for 2 games before a bye in Week 5.  Brutal start.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 24, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
Saints about to sign A Peterson.  It could make the Saints very interesting.  Week one MNF at Minneapolis, btw.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on April 25, 2017, 08:59:10 AM
Saints about to sign A Peterson.  It could make the Saints very interesting.  Week one MNF at Minneapolis, btw.

can he play LB and Corner?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 25, 2017, 09:25:10 AM
can he play LB and Corner?
Draft will address that, hopefully.  No way should they have traded a 1st round pick for Butler from NE, though.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Hatchclan on April 25, 2017, 12:32:46 PM
Draft will address that, hopefully.  No way should they have traded a 1st round pick for Butler from NE, though.
I thought Butler was staying in NE  ???
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 25, 2017, 01:56:02 PM
I thought Butler was staying in NE  ???
Yes, and I am glad the proposed trade never happened.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 25, 2017, 09:28:59 PM
Saints about to sign A Peterson.  It could make the Saints very interesting.  Week one MNF at Minneapolis, btw.

Who catches out of the backfield? 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on April 25, 2017, 11:31:30 PM
Who catches out of the backfield?
Well... Now that Hernandez is gone...

Too Soon?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 26, 2017, 06:30:45 AM
Well... Now that Hernandez is gone...

Too Soon?

He would just get hung up in traffic
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 27, 2017, 09:55:33 AM
Will the Browns or Jets overreach the most this weekend? 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on April 27, 2017, 10:10:59 AM
Will the Browns or Jets overreach the most this weekend? 

smart money has to be on the browns
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 27, 2017, 10:40:08 AM
I've never felt that Bettis was a HOF back.  Had he played with a Jacksonville Jaguars type team, do you all believe he would have made it?

If Bettis is a HOF, then Gore has a real valid argument.

Lulz.  Top 10 draft pick, Rookie of the Year, 6x Pro Bowl, 2x All Pro, 6th all time rushing yards, 1000 yards 8 of his first 9 seasons..

Oh, and he was second in the league rushing, and first team All Pro in St Louis, if you really wonder what he would have done somewhere other than Pittsburgh.

I'm obviously a Steelers fan, but in what universe is Bettis either underrated, or not a HOF back?  Absolutely no one I've ever seen (including myself) names him in lists of top 5-20 backs ever, so how could he possibly be overrated?  And if there's another player with his stats and achievements who was passed over for the Hall, I'd be interested in hearing that name.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 27, 2017, 12:58:50 PM
Who catches out of the backfield?
Cadet
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 27, 2017, 06:48:49 PM
I tend to think the Mitch kid is a reach anywhere in the TOP 10. The DE from Texas A&M just screams bust and he's going to the Browns so it's almost guaranteed.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: jsimp on April 27, 2017, 07:06:42 PM
I tend to think the Mitch kid is a reach anywhere in the TOP 10. The DE from Texas A&M just screams bust and he's going to the Browns so it's almost guaranteed.

Garrett did make st of his damage against lesser competition and was pretty average against sec o lines, but now all of a sudden he's going to dominate in the NFL. Because measurable   ::)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Rick B. on April 27, 2017, 07:13:29 PM
Man, the NFL draft is a goddamn joke. Cleveland should only get 1 minute to make their pick. They've had 4 months to decide. Waste of time.

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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: jsimp on April 27, 2017, 07:15:49 PM
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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 27, 2017, 07:18:59 PM
If only Ed Werner could have learned to say Bruh...how you feelin?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Vito Porkleone on April 27, 2017, 07:20:32 PM
After Garrett got absolutely wrecked by Keon Hatcher, he was not good the rest of the year.  I have a hard time believing he's worthy of going #1 overall.  Now that I've sent it up there, the fucker is likely to go to the Hall.   

Got damn aggie.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 27, 2017, 07:23:13 PM
Lolololol Chicago.  Trade 4 picks in the top 3 rounds to move up ONE SPOT when you could have probably traded down and still gotten him? 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: gambler on April 27, 2017, 07:28:18 PM
The DE from Texas A&M just screams bust and he's going to the Browns so it's almost guaranteed.
That video they showed of him loafing his ass off won't cut it in the NFL.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 27, 2017, 07:38:57 PM
Jags take Leonardo Fornette
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on April 27, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
Man, the NFL draft is a goddamn joke. Cleveland should only get 1 minute to make their pick. They've had 4 months to decide. Waste of time.

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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on April 27, 2017, 07:53:41 PM
Just got an alert..Browns trying to trade for Cousins
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 27, 2017, 08:16:20 PM
can he play LB and Corner?
Saints about to have choice of Jonathan Allen and Lattimore.  Top 5 talents in this draft.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 27, 2017, 08:19:44 PM
Was really hoping my Broncos could get to McCaffery. 

I still think Watson is a franchise QB in the making. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 27, 2017, 08:21:22 PM
Was really hoping my Broncos could get to McCaffery. 

I still think Watson is a franchise QB in the making.
Agree, and Cleveland still may get him at 12.  Also, sorry KC fans.  WTF was that pick?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on April 27, 2017, 08:30:34 PM
Jags take Leonardo Fornette

Will he come to paint?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 27, 2017, 08:31:43 PM
Was really hoping my Broncos could get to McCaffery. 

I still think Watson is a franchise QB in the making.
 

I'd rather have one of the Bama guys,
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 27, 2017, 08:41:19 PM
Mahomes is a interesting prospect but I would have taken Watson especially considering he could backup Smith for a year or so. Watson may not be NFL ready because of the high school offense he's been in. Mahomes played without a fullback so I'm not sure how that's going to impact things.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurking Tiger on April 27, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
Turds finally get on the board.

Who are all these grown men who put on jerseys and travel to this thing ?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 27, 2017, 09:32:52 PM
Terrible pick.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 27, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
Who's that hillbilly that took his kid on stage?


Another Mizzou first rounder.. WTF
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 27, 2017, 10:00:22 PM
Turds finally get on the board.

Who are all these grown men who put on jerseys and travel to this thing ?
Just bros being bros, dude. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 27, 2017, 10:03:33 PM
Turds finally get on the board.

Who are all these grown men who put on jerseys and travel to this thing ?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XcKBmdfpWs
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: OP on April 27, 2017, 10:24:45 PM
Oops!  Tak McKinley just threw a GD and an F-bomb in a live interview with Deon.
Title: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 28, 2017, 05:48:19 AM
Iwatson is a pick machine and is supposedly lazy in the film room.  He'll be challenged with that OBrien playbook.chicago shitshow.  And why KC move up for Mahomes. Cleveland was smartest passing all of them. 

I think Barnett will be better than Garrett. 

Tonight is where the money is made.  I am already tired of the Joe Mixon apologists....he made a mistake, etc.  Kay Adams called him a piece of shit.  Bravo.




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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on April 28, 2017, 08:04:30 AM
I think Barnett will be better than Garrett. 
Agree 100%.  Barnett is a badass.  Steelers grabbed lil Watt.  I'll take it.  He's a solid player. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 28, 2017, 09:19:31 AM
Agree 100%.  Barnett is a badass.  Steelers grabbed lil Watt.  I'll take it.  He's a solid player.

I loved the pick.  Perfect fit, he should complement Shazier brilliantly within a couple of years.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on April 28, 2017, 09:48:35 AM
I loved the pick.  Perfect fit, he should complement Shazier brilliantly within a couple of years.
He's got a great bull rush, terrific agility, and long arms.  Perfect for rushing the passer.  He also appears to be motivated by comparisons to his brother to make his own way and after two knee injuries and a position change, he has proven he will bust his ass to get on the field.  My only concern is those knees.  If he stays healthy, he will make a difference.   

They still need to hit a home run at CB.  I'd love for Kevin King to be available at pick 62 but I know he'll be gone long before then.  If they can shore up the DB's it will be huge. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on April 28, 2017, 10:29:44 AM
49ers got a whole lot better.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on April 28, 2017, 10:36:56 AM
49ers got a whole lot better.

if it's defense you wanted nobody did better yesterday.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on April 28, 2017, 10:38:07 AM
i'm glad i'm not a bears fan.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 28, 2017, 01:03:25 PM
i'm glad i'm not a bears fan.

No shit.  Bears got bamboozed on the Glennon deal and way overpaid.  Now they spend a 1, two threes, and a four on a QB they never worked out or supposedly even talked to on the phone who will not play this year.  All Lynch said to them was he was getting calls from other teams and this nitwit panicked again.  The QB crop is supposedly way better next year and anyone knows that in rebuilding the number of picks is the critical factor.  Another stupid move by a fucked up franchise.  George Halas is spinning about 10000 rpm. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 28, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
Haven't followed.  Any Hogs have a good chance of being drafted?

I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan and/or Hatcher got on a practice roster and worked their way up.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on April 28, 2017, 02:25:46 PM
Haven't followed.  Any Hogs have a good chance of being drafted?

I wouldn't be surprised if Morgan and/or Hatcher got on a practice roster and worked their way up.

Wise, Skipper, and Hatcher are the best bets. Probably not until Saturday though, rounds 4-7.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 28, 2017, 03:19:15 PM
No shit.  Bears got bamboozed on the Glennon deal and way overpaid.  Now they spend a 1, two threes, and a four on a QB they never worked out or supposedly even talked to on the phone who will not play this year.  All Lynch said to them was he was getting calls from other teams and this nitwit panicked again.  The QB crop is supposedly way better next year and anyone knows that in rebuilding the number of picks is the critical factor.  Another stupid move by a fucked up franchise.  George Halas is spinning about 10000 rpm.
So in review, the Bears have invested $45M, a 1st round pick, two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick for Mike Glennon with 1 career NFL win and a college QB with 8 career wins.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 28, 2017, 05:09:08 PM
So in review, the Bears have invested $45M, a 1st round pick, two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick for Mike Glennon with 1 career NFL win and a college QB with 8 career wins.

Plus whatever the rookie min is for the number 2 overall pick.  And $2m in dead money on Cutler.

the Bears are replacing the Browns as the model of ineptitude. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hit_that_line on April 28, 2017, 08:33:37 PM
Wise, Skipper, and Hatcher are the best bets. Probably not until Saturday though, rounds 4-7.
Hatcher won't be drafted. Sprinkle will.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 28, 2017, 08:46:58 PM
Drew Pearson brings it to Philly.

Draft ok so far for Dallas


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on April 28, 2017, 09:07:23 PM
The Steelers picked up some tallish physical WR named JuJu. Mixed reaction online and I know nothing about him. We really needed another CB and a TE.

I'm hoping we get a chance to snag Sprinkle in the 4th or with our second pick in the 3rd. He'll be a steal if he lasts that long.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 29, 2017, 01:47:02 AM
So in review, the Bears have invested $45M, a 1st round pick, two 3rd round picks and a 4th round pick for Mike Glennon with 1 career NFL win and a college QB with 8 career wins.

This sounds like a Dan McGwire pick, except Mark was actually good.

All I know is this is a perfect example of why Mallett should be playing in the NFL. He's better than 60% of the qbs but I guess he's not as nice. Of course take away the top 10 qbs and they all pretty much suck. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on April 29, 2017, 10:09:23 AM
This sounds like a Dan McGwire pick, except Mark was actually good.

All I know is this is a perfect example of why Mallett should be playing in the NFL. He's better than 60% of the qbs but I guess he's not as nice. Of course take away the top 10 qbs and they all pretty much suck.
Not as nice?  NFL teams care about one thing-who will help them win.  If Mallett were good enough he'd be playing somewhere. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 29, 2017, 10:23:16 AM
The Steelers picked up some tallish physical WR named JuJu. Mixed reaction online and I know nothing about him. We really needed another CB and a TE

Big, physical kid who can block, uses his body to create separation at the catch, and supposedly understands the game of football really well. Basically a perfect fit with AB and Martavis and the young guys. He'll complement our screen game, and present huge matchup nightmares for opposing defenses on third and mediums.

Sutton goes a long way toward addressing the secondary, though we'll obviously need AT LEAST one more.  When he's consistent, he's a top level player, plus he adds another option in the return game.

I like Conner to spell Bell, a lot, too.

One of the great things about being a Steelers fan is watching them kill the draft every single year. I don't think our first four picks could've gone any better.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on April 29, 2017, 01:12:24 PM


One of the great things about being a Steelers fan is watching them kill the draft every single year. I don't think our first four picks could've gone any better.
It really is awesome.  They are loading up to up after the Pats and are getting some monster talent.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 29, 2017, 01:27:36 PM
Broncos getting some Butt in the 5th.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on April 29, 2017, 01:29:22 PM
Sprinkle headed to DC
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on April 29, 2017, 01:44:33 PM
wise went to the pats in the 4th
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on April 29, 2017, 01:46:40 PM
wise went to the pats in the 4th

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on April 29, 2017, 02:09:31 PM
Wise and flowers wrecking shit for NE.  Oh what could have been
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 29, 2017, 04:04:51 PM
Ledbetter to the Lions.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: iNOVAhog on April 29, 2017, 05:21:40 PM
Article and interview with Wise from the Boston Globe:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2017/04/29/here-closer-look-defensive-end-deatrich-wise/nQ136y6Sq3FyglQTjibOKN/story.html

East-West Shrine game highlights included.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on April 29, 2017, 05:48:27 PM
My Broncos just drafted this year's Ryan Mallett, Mr Irrelevant Chad Kelly. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Clark on April 29, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on April 29, 2017, 05:59:24 PM
.

mr. irrelevant 2017!

dude needs his adderall
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on April 29, 2017, 06:12:24 PM
morgan signs with miami.
hatcher with da raiders.
hollister with the pats.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 29, 2017, 07:06:12 PM
My Broncos just drafted this year's Ryan Mallett, Mr Irrelevant Chad Kelly.
 

Yep, White Trash Cutler is a Bronco. Sad that his brain doesn't match his arm talent. The Broncos did pick three guys who have been very productive in the return game which has been lacking. Good draft if Bolles  pans out.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: PigsInSpace on April 29, 2017, 08:19:50 PM
 

Yep, White Trash Cutler is a Bronco. Sad that his brain doesn't match his arm talent. The Broncos did pick three guys who have been very productive in the return game which has been lacking. Good draft if Bolles  pans out.

Scratch that. I am the dumbass.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: MDEM on April 29, 2017, 10:05:45 PM
Toby Baker got an invite to the Jets minicamp.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: MDEM on April 29, 2017, 10:19:30 PM
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2017/04/29/patriots-nfl-draft-deatrich-wise-transcript/
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 30, 2017, 08:53:24 AM
Bills fired their GM this am, day after draft. Doug Whaley was a fucktard, maybe he can join dumpster fire in Chicago.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hoggadore on April 30, 2017, 10:23:13 AM
Skipper's wikipedia page:

Quote
Dan Skipper (born September 20, 1994) is an American football offensive tackle for the New England Patriots He played college football at the University of Arkansas.

No cite, and my google skills suggest he hasn't been picked up yet.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on April 30, 2017, 10:25:58 AM
i read where skipper signed with the cowboys.
j. collins with the rams
j. winston with the bucs
d j dean with the pats
supposedly ellis has signed but the team wants announce it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on April 30, 2017, 10:52:14 AM
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2017/4/29/15482970/2017-nfl-draft-cowboys-undrafted-free-agent-signings-tracker-with-live-updates

Skipper is shown as a UDFA with the Cowboys.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 30, 2017, 11:03:24 AM
I think I saw Hollister to pats
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: MDEM on April 30, 2017, 03:51:57 PM
I think I saw Hollister to pats

Yup, Pats grabbed him and his brother.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 30, 2017, 05:15:03 PM
Yup, Pats grabbed him and his brother.

I had forgotten he had a twin


DJ Dean to pats as well
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: aboynamedsooiee on April 30, 2017, 06:58:15 PM
Players Drafted/Signed

4th RD (131) - Deatrich Wise, Jr., Patriots
5th RD (154) - Jeremy Sprinkle, Redskins
6th RD (205) - Jeremiah Ledbetter, Lions
UDFA - Keon Hatcher, Raiders
UDFA - Drew Morgan, Miami
UDFA - Cody Hollister (and twin brother Jacob), Patriots
UDFA - Jared Collins, Rams
UDFA - Toby Baker, Jets
UDFA - Dan Skipper, Cowboys
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on April 30, 2017, 07:15:49 PM
A few of the Texas A&M WRs didn't get drafted....Noil, Seals-Jones, Reynolds?

alleged Auburn QB...Jeremy Johnson gets try out with the Giants.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cornhogio on April 30, 2017, 08:35:54 PM
Bills fired their GM this am, day after draft. Doug Whaley was a fucktard, maybe he can join dumpster fire in Chicago.


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I'm missing it I guess.  Why fire the GM and entire scouting staff the day after the draft?  Should fire whoever made that decision.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Snorts on May 01, 2017, 06:10:29 AM
I'm missing it I guess.  Why fire the GM and entire scouting staff the day after the draft?  Should fire whoever made that decision.
 

Most of the sports sites I'm reading give the Bills high grades for this draft.  CBS Sports gives them an A.  Maybe he pissed the owner off?

CBS also gave the Packers an A.  Just thought I'd throw that in.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on May 01, 2017, 06:21:10 AM
I think the Bills planned on firing him and his scouts but it's hard to do that before the draft. I'm curious who actually did the selections during the draft.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on May 01, 2017, 06:45:09 AM
Players Drafted/Signed

4th RD (131) - Deatrich Wise, Jr., Patriots
5th RD (154) - Jeremy Sprinkle, Redskins
6th RD (205) - Jeremiah Ledbetter, Lions
UDFA - Keon Hatcher, Raiders
UDFA - Drew Morgan, Miami
UDFA - Cody Hollister (and twin brother Jacob), Patriots
UDFA - Jared Collins, Rams
UDFA - Toby Baker, Jets
UDFA - Dan Skipper, Cowboys

2 DLs drafted by the NFL and the worst run defense in the history of forever? How does that work?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on May 01, 2017, 06:54:25 AM
2 DLs drafted by the NFL and the worst run defense in the history of forever? How does that work?

They're going to be used as tight ends.  :stache:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on May 01, 2017, 08:52:18 AM
.

 :thumbup:  Great picture.

I think he no doubt has the arm talent and maybe even knowledge.  I think it'll be up to him on whether he makes it in the NFL.  I don't really see him putting in the work to make it as a backup for 2-3 years while he bides his time.  For all the comparisons to Mallett, he apparently put in enough work to make it 7 years in the NFL, virtually all as a backup.


Not as nice?  NFL teams care about one thing-who will help them win.  If Mallett were good enough he'd be playing somewhere. 

He is.  And making $1.5 million.  That's not shabby.  And it's a fallacy to simply say if he were good enough, he'd be playing somewhere.  The bottom 12 teams in the NFL each year go through about 40 starting QBs, apparently none of which are actually "good enough."
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on May 01, 2017, 10:22:00 AM
I'm missing it I guess.  Why fire the GM and entire scouting staff the day after the draft?  Should fire whoever made that decision.

supposedly the coaching staff made the picks.  these guys knew it was coming.  If you fire the scouts before the draft belichik hires them as consultants and fucks you up. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: notaslibro on May 01, 2017, 10:58:55 AM
Just heard that the AAC had more drafted than the Big 12.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on May 01, 2017, 12:39:48 PM
Just heard that the AAC had more drafted than the Big 12.

Well, once you take out all the rapisters from Baylor and some of the lesser fuckups at Stoopsville it really cuts down the pool.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cornhogio on May 01, 2017, 08:22:32 PM
supposedly the coaching staff made the picks.  these guys knew it was coming.  If you fire the scouts before the draft belichik hires them as consultants and fucks you up.
Makes sense.  Thanks.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Snorts on May 02, 2017, 06:50:54 AM
2 DLs drafted by the NFL and the worst run defense in the history of forever? How does that work?

Brooks Ellis was on a show recently.  To recap he said that basically the team would do everything right in the week's practices, then do whatever they liked in the game.  Intimated that some had their own agendas, worrying about the draft etc. 

Not sure who is responsible for letting this happen, the former DC or a meddling CBB, assuming Brooks was speaking truth.  I saw a lack of defensive effort all year long.  Players not playing hard or doing their own thing should have been taken out, sat down, and not allowed back in the game (if ever). 

If the former DC was the pussy letting his players punk him with no consequences, then I figure we'll be much improved effort wise.  If it is CBB, for whatever reason, interfering with the DC's disciplining of rebellious players it will be same old same old.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on May 02, 2017, 07:00:13 AM


That league misses A&M, Nebraska, and Mizzou a lot more than they would care to admit.

Texas will get it rolling
TCU will be good again
Zero u and Okie Lite will have decent prospects most years
Baylor under the new coach will prob generate some pro prospects
Tech and Ksu will always be hit and miss
Kansas and Iowa state just sucks
West Virginia should be in the American Conference

This should be a league that produces a lot of grain-fed offensive lineman but instead produces a few WR, DBs, and QBs.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on May 02, 2017, 09:38:05 AM
Brooks Ellis was on a show recently.  To recap he said that basically the team would do everything right in the week's practices, then do whatever they liked in the game.  Intimated that some had their own agendas, worrying about the draft etc. 

Not sure who is responsible for letting this happen, the former DC or a meddling CBB, assuming Brooks was speaking truth.  I saw a lack of defensive effort all year long.  Players not playing hard or doing their own thing should have been taken out, sat down, and not allowed back in the game (if ever). 

If the former DC was the pussy letting his players punk him with no consequences, then I figure we'll be much improved effort wise.  If it is CBB, for whatever reason, interfering with the DC's disciplining of rebellious players it will be same old same old.

 With Bert holding out Ragnow all spring and talking about using him on defense, you have to wondering if it was Bert meddling.

I think there was talk on here during the season last year that Bert had taken over some aspect of the defense. Maybe he did it  because the players were not listening to Smith.

 Regardless, the defense sucked last year and things better change for the better starting this year.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on May 02, 2017, 09:47:25 AM
With Bert holding out Ragnow all spring and talking about using him on defense, you have to wondering if it was Bert meddling.

I think there was talk on here during the season last year that Bert had taken over some aspect of the defense. Maybe he did it  because the players were not listening to Smith.

 Regardless, the defense sucked last year and things better change for the better starting this year.
I think the scheme sucked. Austin Capps commented that in this new defense, they get to try to make plays instead of plugging a gap. I think in Smiths scheme, linemen were forcing plays back to the triangle. It worked when we had 3 nfl players as the triangle. With the crap we've had at LB and no Flowers and Philon, we just forced the play back towards an empty whole. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 02, 2017, 12:48:54 PM
yes, it's two gapping now instead of one gap
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on May 02, 2017, 09:36:31 PM
Brooks Ellis was on a show recently.  To recap he said that basically the team would do everything right in the week's practices, then do whatever they liked in the game.  Intimated that some had their own agendas, worrying about the draft etc. 

Not sure who is responsible for letting this happen, the former DC or a meddling CBB, assuming Brooks was speaking truth.  I saw a lack of defensive effort all year long.  Players not playing hard or doing their own thing should have been taken out, sat down, and not allowed back in the game (if ever). 

If the former DC was the pussy letting his players punk him with no consequences, then I figure we'll be much improved effort wise.  If it is CBB, for whatever reason, interfering with the DC's disciplining of rebellious players it will be same old same old.
 

Despite all the bluster, we're a soft ass team.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on May 03, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Brooks Ellis was on a show recently.  To recap he said that basically the team would do everything right in the week's practices, then do whatever they liked in the game.  Intimated that some had their own agendas, worrying about the draft etc. 

Not sure who is responsible for letting this happen, the former DC or a meddling CBB, assuming Brooks was speaking truth.  I saw a lack of defensive effort all year long.  Players not playing hard or doing their own thing should have been taken out, sat down, and not allowed back in the game (if ever). 

If the former DC was the pussy letting his players punk him with no consequences, then I figure we'll be much improved effort wise.  If it is CBB, for whatever reason, interfering with the DC's disciplining of rebellious players it will be same old same old.

Was that on the To Slow To Go Pro Butthurt Show
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 04, 2017, 05:45:25 AM
I think the scheme sucked. Austin Capps commented that in this new defense, they get to try to make plays instead of plugging a gap. I think in Smiths scheme, linemen were forcing plays back to the triangle. It worked when we had 3 nfl players as the triangle. With the crap we've had at LB and no Flowers and Philon, we just forced the play back towards an empty whole.

Empty whole. 

You've perfectly, perhaps Freudingly, epitomized Razorback fandom in two words. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on May 04, 2017, 08:46:45 AM
Empty whole. 

You've perfectly, perhaps Freudingly, epitomized Razorback fandom in two words.
I saw that about a day after I posted it. If anyone caught it, I was going to say that the "half of the field" was implied. Your response is better. 👍
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on May 11, 2017, 09:21:06 AM
Tretola in trouble.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/sebastian-tretola-sued-500k-titans/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/sebastian-tretola-sued-500k-titans/)

Two Tennessee Titans players are being sued for $500,000 by a man who claims they beat him up after an argument over 2017 NFL Draft results. One of the players implicated is former Arkansas OL Sebastian Tretola, according to The Tennessean.

The lawsuit, which is for damages based on allegations of assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy, was filed by Dante Satterfield Wednesday against Tretola and Titans teammate Tajae Sharpe.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on May 11, 2017, 11:50:56 AM
Uncommon Integrity!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on May 11, 2017, 04:32:55 PM
Tretola in trouble.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/sebastian-tretola-sued-500k-titans/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/sebastian-tretola-sued-500k-titans/)

Two Tennessee Titans players are being sued for $500,000 by a man who claims they beat him up after an argument over 2017 NFL Draft results. One of the players implicated is former Arkansas OL Sebastian Tretola, according to The Tennessean.

The lawsuit, which is for damages based on allegations of assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy, was filed by Dante Satterfield Wednesday against Tretola and Titans teammate Tajae Sharpe.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153498829809766&set=ecnf.679074765&type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153498829809766&set=ecnf.679074765&type=3&theater)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 12, 2017, 08:16:49 AM
Tretola in trouble.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/sebastian-tretola-sued-500k-titans/ (https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/sebastian-tretola-sued-500k-titans/)

Two Tennessee Titans players are being sued for $500,000 by a man who claims they beat him up after an argument over 2017 NFL Draft results. One of the players implicated is former Arkansas OL Sebastian Tretola, according to The Tennessean.

The lawsuit, which is for damages based on allegations of assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress and civil conspiracy, was filed by Dante Satterfield Wednesday against Tretola and Titans teammate Tajae Sharpe.


Maybe the guy made fun of Tretola's throwing motion.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on May 12, 2017, 08:31:49 AM
Maybe the guy made fun of Tretola's throwing motion.

maybe this dumbshit ran his trap at two NFL players, even if one was a receiver.

all seabass did was watch his blindside, just like Sandra Bullock taught us all to do.   he should get the payton award.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on May 12, 2017, 08:42:18 AM
Maybe the guy made fun of Tretola's throwing motion.
Or his dance moves.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on May 12, 2017, 08:47:26 AM
maybe this dumbshit ran his trap at two NFL players, even if one was a receiver.

all seabass did was watch his blindside, just like Sandra Bullock taught us all to do.   he should get the payton award.
So, the dumbshit was all for this(following the 2 NFL players into an alley) right up to the point where he was getting his ass beat. Stupid should hurt and in this case, obviously did.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on May 12, 2017, 09:20:00 AM
I do not remember who it was but back in the 90's, but a Saints player broke the jaw of a rookie teammate  in a fight.

I was always thought you were supposed to do that to the opposing team player, not your teammate.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on May 18, 2017, 08:48:45 AM
Antonio Cromarte now has more children than Blake Bortles has wins


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: jack_beene on May 18, 2017, 10:14:08 AM
Skipper signed by the Cowboys. Now the tallest player in the nfl.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on May 18, 2017, 11:48:52 AM
Skipper signed by the Cowboys. Now the tallest player in the nfl.

We'll see if he makes a 53, or even the practice squad.  That height is not a benefit in the NFL.  He should have moved to DE.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on May 18, 2017, 11:53:57 AM
The punter Baker signed with the Chargers after mini camp


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on May 18, 2017, 02:12:53 PM
We'll see if he makes a 53, or even the practice squad.  That height is not a benefit in the NFL.  He should have moved to DE.
If he's quick witted, he needs to go into Wrestling.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on May 23, 2017, 03:21:08 PM


The NFL owners approved some new rule changes, two of which you'll notice on the field in 2017:  10-minute OT periods and a more-relaxed TD celebration rule.

NFL owners approve shortening overtime to 10 minutes (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000810488/article/nfl-owners-approve-shortening-overtime-to-10-minutes)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on May 25, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
The Browns just hired Ryan Grigson, who as GM of the colts negotiated the Trent Richardson deal. 

Just when I think the Bears are outsucking the Browns, Cleveland be Cleveland and shoots bac to the top with a bullet.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on May 25, 2017, 11:36:36 AM
We'll see if he makes a 53, or even the practice squad.  That height is not a benefit in the NFL.  He should have moved to DE.

Field goal blocker.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Splurge on May 25, 2017, 12:13:31 PM
Field goal blocker.

Official lateral flipper backer
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on May 25, 2017, 03:38:03 PM
Field goal blocker.
Hitman.  Hockey Goon.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Satch on May 25, 2017, 04:51:29 PM
We'll see if he makes a 53, or even the practice squad.  That height is not a benefit in the NFL.  He should have moved to DE.
He's tall.  He's not Too Tall.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on May 25, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
I disagree. If you're over 6'8" then tackle is the best if not the only place for you. See Villanueva in PIT and N. Solder in NE. I'll also throw in 6'8" Ts Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden. Long arms.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on May 26, 2017, 01:30:54 PM
I disagree. If you're over 6'8" then tackle is the best if not the only place for you. See Villanueva in PIT and N. Solder in NE. I'll also throw in 6'8" Ts Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden. Long arms.

Skipper is 6'10" plus.  There is a reason he went undrafted;  no bend, bad hips, no footwork.  The media has been making light of him in the OTAs.  Maybe a tight end camp body by camp.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on May 31, 2017, 03:01:31 PM
rawliegh williams gets a summer intern gig with the cowboys.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on May 31, 2017, 03:14:52 PM
rawliegh williams gets a summer intern gig with the cowboys.

Who was it on here that insisted that Razorback athletes do not get anymore of an advantage when applying for real jobs than your average college student?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: goporkyourself on May 31, 2017, 03:53:40 PM
Who was it on here that insisted that Razorback athletes do not get anymore of an advantage when applying for real jobs than your average college student?

uh, a dumbass?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on May 31, 2017, 04:37:14 PM
Who was it on here that insisted that Razorback athletes do not get anymore of an advantage when applying for real jobs than your average college student?

It does help that the big boss and other bosses are alumni
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on May 31, 2017, 04:57:56 PM
(https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/1/15/Capt._Obvious.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110412235023)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on May 31, 2017, 05:03:24 PM
uh, a dumbass?

That was my thinking at the time. 

Pretty sure it was in a recruitment thread about some kid not going to the UA and when someone pointed out the advantages former Razorback athletes have in getting job opportunities (that someone being me) they chimed in that wasn't the case at all.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on May 31, 2017, 07:33:31 PM
It does help when we can point to examples in our lifetime where a player was "taken care of".
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Sweet River Baines on June 05, 2017, 09:30:42 AM
Hank is back for MNF!  Yee haw.

http://deadspin.com/espn-is-bringing-back-hank-williams-jr-1795813155?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 05, 2017, 12:16:44 PM
It does help when we can point to examples in our lifetime where a player was "taken care of".

I remember working for Tyson a LONG time ago when you would consistently hear people's name over the intercom.  It was almost always an athlete, however obscure, like a golfer, track star, etc.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on June 05, 2017, 02:13:28 PM
UDFA WR Drew Morgan has been standing out in Dolphins OTAs.

It's always best to be highly skeptical of unknowns lighting things up in pad-less practices, but Morgan has apparently been vacuuming up everything thrown his way, and doing damage after the catch. An Arkansas product, Morgan was invited to the Combine, but tested poorly, running a dad-like 4.74 in the 40-yard dash. It was the slowest time amongst receivers. Morgan did shine in the 60-yard shuttle. Morgan is a slot prospect who will have to lean on the typical cliches of shiftiness and toughness to crack the 53-man roster.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12759/drew-morgan
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: MDEM on June 05, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/gaIJxUr.png)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on June 05, 2017, 03:30:11 PM
UDFA WR Drew Morgan has been standing out in Dolphins OTAs.

It's always best to be highly skeptical of unknowns lighting things up in pad-less practices, but Morgan has apparently been vacuuming up everything thrown his way, and doing damage after the catch. An Arkansas product, Morgan was invited to the Combine, but tested poorly, running a dad-like 4.74 in the 40-yard dash. It was the slowest time amongst receivers. Morgan did shine in the 60-yard shuttle. Morgan is a slot prospect who will have to lean on the typical cliches of shiftiness and toughness to crack the 53-man roster.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/12759/drew-morgan

Awesome.  If he's dominating practices now, that means he's only 3 years away from producing in games.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on June 05, 2017, 03:34:59 PM
Awesome.  If he's dominating practices now, that means he's only 3 years away from producing in games.

He seems like the kind of guy that would enjoy getting paid to fuck people up on kick coverage for a few years.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Splurge on June 05, 2017, 04:13:05 PM
Seahawks bring in Kaepernick and then turn around and sign LA Lambs reject Austin Davis.   LOLOLOL
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: cotte on June 06, 2017, 08:47:47 AM
Adrian Peterson is about to rip off a hell of a season. Buy or sell it?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on June 06, 2017, 09:01:39 AM
He seems like the kind of guy that would enjoy getting paid to fuck people up on kick coverage for a few years.

maybe spit in a few faces too.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on June 06, 2017, 09:20:39 AM
Adrian Peterson is about to rip off a hell of a season. Buy or sell it?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on June 06, 2017, 09:52:31 AM
Adrian Peterson is about to rip off a hell of a season. Buy or sell it?

Do you mean rip off a fart, body part, or money from some sucker of a NFL general manager for not trading him.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on June 06, 2017, 09:54:28 AM
rip off a switch and whack some nuts.   
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: cotte on June 06, 2017, 02:05:48 PM
The man has plenty left in the tank. He rushes for 800 this year.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Splurge on June 06, 2017, 02:28:03 PM
A HOF running back not known for being a great pass catcher or catching many balls at all going to a team that passes a boatload and even most of their "runs" are really just screens.  Decoy decoy decoy.  Best case is he's like Emmitt in Arizona.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on June 06, 2017, 03:18:04 PM
LT had 340 carries a year with Brees.  and about 50 catches.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Splurge on June 06, 2017, 03:24:20 PM
LT had 340 carries a year with Brees.  and about 50 catches.

With the Saints running Sean Payton's offense?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on June 06, 2017, 03:29:30 PM
With the Saints running Sean Payton's offense?

i do not believe so.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on June 06, 2017, 03:44:30 PM
To me AP is a guy you would use not as a feature back but more as a spot duty guy that's going to get 10-15 touches a game probably once you cross the 40 yard line you put him in and get him some touches. With a good kicker they can score points pretty damn often. I think it's unrealistic to suggest he can remain healthy by feeding him the rock 25 to 30 times a game. In a pass happy offense he's not really so much a decoy as he would be a blocker, but if he's got anything left in the tank teams will have to respect him. I think it's a win win if they can reduce the pressure on Brees having to throw it 148 times a game.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: cotte on June 06, 2017, 04:53:43 PM
To me AP is a guy you would use not as a feature back but more as a spot duty guy that's going to get 10-15 touches a game probably once you cross the 40 yard line you put him in and get him some touches. With a good kicker they can score points pretty damn often. I think it's unrealistic to suggest he can remain healthy by feeding him the rock 25 to 30 times a game. In a pass happy offense he's not really so much a decoy as he would be a blocker, but if he's got anything left in the tank teams will have to respect him. I think it's a win win if they can reduce the pressure on Brees having to throw it 148 times a game.

Exactly. The feature back is Ingram.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on June 07, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Exactly. The feature back is Ingram.

over AP?   no suh.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on June 07, 2017, 10:03:39 AM
over AP?   no suh.

I agree with you, at least for the first four games.  I think AP will be the featured back opening day and prove to be a poor fit for the Brees/Payton offense, especially his lack of receiving out of the backfield.  they will have to make a decision at some point;  I don't see him being a 100 yd threat with this team; he wont get the touches.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Splurge on June 07, 2017, 02:09:23 PM
More glue-sniffing around here.  There is no such thing as a feature back in New Orleans (the league has migrated away from it as a whole, generally, but that's a different topic).  Their even touting the "three headed running back" down there this year.  The NO backfield is a revolving door of plug/play guys which is why no names like Pierre Thomas, Tim Hightower, and Travaris Cadaret have had a significant amount of plays.  Darren Sproles was the best fit and to his credit, made the most of the role and parlayed it to a bigger payday.  Off the top of my head, I can't think a real 3-down back in New Orleans since Douche McAllister.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on June 22, 2017, 10:25:19 AM
raiders make derek carr highest paid player in nfl history. 5 yrs $125mil.
they back loaded it too so most of the big money comes when they are in vegas and pay no state taxes on it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on June 22, 2017, 10:29:04 AM
raiders make derek carr highest paid player in nfl history. 5 yrs $125mil.

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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Splurge on June 22, 2017, 10:31:07 AM
An average of $25M/year.  Of course, the only thing that really matters in a NFL contract is the guaranteed money.  Total size and length of the deal is basically useless.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on June 22, 2017, 11:32:05 AM
Total size and length of the deal is basically useless.

Keep telling her that...  ;D
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 22, 2017, 11:32:29 AM
raiders make derek carr highest paid player in nfl history. 5 yrs $125mil.
they back loaded it too so most of the big money comes when they are in vegas and pay no state taxes on it.

For that much, I would think they've also loaded the contract with a bunch of comps from the casinos as well   What could I do earning $68, 493.15 a day?  Pay off my four wheeler, boat, and gambling debts, probably, and that's just on Thursday.  Friday I would probably take some kind of vacation trip, and not just to Branson. We would probably drive on up to Springfield as well. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: cchog on June 22, 2017, 11:53:36 AM
Friday I would probably take some kind of vacation trip, and not just to Branson. We would probably drive on up to Springfield as well.

There you go, getting all high falutin on us...
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on June 22, 2017, 02:53:18 PM
I'd start buying Heinz instead of that Hunt's BS.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DrMongoose on June 22, 2017, 07:48:23 PM
Chiefs fire GM John Dorsey   :portishead: :wha?:

Andy Reid gets a new deal  :dude2:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on June 22, 2017, 07:54:27 PM
Sounds like a wink wink move into the front office deal in a year or so...kind of thing. Maybe they'll follow the skins lead and just not name a GM.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on June 24, 2017, 12:19:37 PM
More glue-sniffing around here.  There is no such thing as a feature back in New Orleans (the league has migrated away from it as a whole, generally, but that's a different topic).  Their even touting the "three headed running back" down there this year.  The NO backfield is a revolving door of plug/play guys which is why no names like Pierre Thomas, Tim Hightower, and Travaris Cadaret have had a significant amount of plays.  Darren Sproles was the best fit and to his credit, made the most of the role and parlayed it to a bigger payday.  Off the top of my head, I can't think a real 3-down back in New Orleans since Douche McAllister.
Please tell me "Douche" was not an autocorrect.

The Saints have not had a real feature back since Deuce.  Payton loves the three headed monster approach at RB, usually with a strong RB (Deuce, Hightower, Ingram) and a screen pass RB (Bush, Pierre, Sproles and now Kamara drafted from the Vols).  The Saints offense could be as long balanced as they have been since 2006 if the line gets healthy in time.   
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on June 24, 2017, 12:21:20 PM
I do not get into fantasy football, but Kamara will be racking up stats this season.  He will be getting a ton of touches.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on June 24, 2017, 09:49:33 PM
I do not get into fantasy football, but Kamara will be racking up stats this season.  He will be getting a ton of touches.

Who's the Saints pass catching TE now?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on June 24, 2017, 10:21:16 PM
Who's the Saints pass catching TE now?
Good question.  They signed Fleener last offseason to be the guy but he couldn't catch the ball. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: cotte on June 25, 2017, 05:03:41 PM
Please tell me "Douche" was not an autocorrect.

The Saints have not had a real feature back since Deuce.  Payton loves the three headed monster approach at RB, usually with a strong RB (Deuce, Hightower, Ingram) and a screen pass RB (Bush, Pierre, Sproles and now Kamara drafted from the Vols).  The Saints offense could be as long balanced as they have been since 2006 if the line gets healthy in time.

I always like Ivory as well.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 01, 2017, 10:36:52 AM
All or Nothing season 2 is posted on Amazon this year embedded with the Rams.  Jeff Fisher is a shitty coach.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 05, 2017, 02:27:46 PM
cowboys gonna cowboy in the offseason    :rofl:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 11, 2017, 12:29:08 PM
http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Dallas-Cowboys-Linebacker-Arrested-for-Aggravated-Assault-432679083.html

I'm a strong proponent of the 2nd Amendment.  I now believe in a slight tweak to it.  No Dallas Cowboy can have a firearm.  weapon.  knife.  club. drug.  vehicle. 

This loofabrain was going to be a starting LB.  Last year he missed games because he got shot in the eye playing paintball.  I expect he'll be suspended at least ten games, if not the season, regardless of his court issues.  They are tough on woman beating; he backed into her with a fucking Silverado so that seems worse than a slap.

It wont happen but Garrett needs to put his head on a stikck and cut him.  So far about half the starters on defense are suspended.  Fuck!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 11, 2017, 06:37:46 PM
You don't really think Garrett has ever cut a single player do ya? He has no say so in that area.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on July 12, 2017, 06:17:07 AM
http://www.nbcdfw.com/blogs/blue-star/Dallas-Cowboys-Linebacker-Arrested-for-Aggravated-Assault-432679083.html

I'm a strong proponent of the 2nd Amendment.  I now believe in a slight tweak to it.  No Dallas Cowboy can have a firearm.  weapon.  knife.  club. drug.  vehicle. 

This loofabrain was going to be a starting LB.  Last year he missed games because he got shot in the eye playing paintball.  I expect he'll be suspended at least ten games, if not the season, regardless of his court issues.  They are tough on woman beating; he backed into her with a fucking Silverado so that seems worse than a slap.

It wont happen but Garrett needs to put his head on a stikck and cut him.  So far about half the starters on defense are suspended.  Fuck!

Garrett can't take a shit without Jerry's OK
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 14, 2017, 04:30:44 PM
NFLN is showing reruns of hard knocks.  On the houston one Ryan mallet just overslept again.  Turd.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on July 17, 2017, 08:01:50 AM
Zeke Elliott supposedly punched out a DJ last night at a nightclub.....and sent him to a hospital. Hope Darren is ready for some 1st team snaps this year. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 17, 2017, 08:53:03 AM
Zeke Elliott supposedly punched out a DJ last night at a nightclub.....and sent him to a hospital. Hope Darren is ready for some 1st team snaps this year.

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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on July 17, 2017, 08:57:27 AM
Zeke Elliott supposedly punched out a DJ last night at a nightclub.....and sent him to a hospital. Hope Darren is ready for some 1st team snaps this year. 
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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on July 17, 2017, 09:15:49 AM
Zeke Elliott supposedly punched out a DJ last night at a nightclub.....and sent him to a hospital. Hope Darren is ready for some 1st team snaps this year.

Cowboys gonna cowboy.












Again
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on July 17, 2017, 09:17:43 AM
Cowboys gonna cowboy.












Again

It was too good to last forever. Jerry is back in control apparently.  :suicide:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on July 17, 2017, 09:23:43 AM
Was he in Dallas?   no biggie then.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on July 17, 2017, 09:34:20 AM
Zeke Elliott supposedly punched out a DJ last night at a nightclub.....and sent him to a hospital. Hope Darren is ready for some 1st team snaps this year.

Wrong song bitch!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on July 17, 2017, 09:41:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awvZZ3eSsg4
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on July 17, 2017, 10:03:37 AM
Was he in Dallas?   no biggie then.

No police report or charges filed thus far.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 17, 2017, 05:27:29 PM
No police report or charges filed thus far.

You're doubting a good solid legitimate rumor?!?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on July 17, 2017, 05:32:22 PM
You're doubting a good solid legitimate rumor?!?

Quite the contrary.  Was buttressing the argument that events in Dallas will probably be treated like events in Tuscaloosa.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 17, 2017, 05:34:33 PM
They want to make sure the guy didn't accidentally run into the ZE's fist.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 17, 2017, 06:05:20 PM
Quite the contrary.  Was buttressing the argument that events in Dallas will probably be treated like events in Tuscaloosa.

Ah. Good point.

Gotta figure there are more dead bodies buried in Tuscaloosa though.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on July 18, 2017, 09:25:39 AM
Quite the contrary.  Was buttressing the argument that events in Dallas will probably be treated like events in Tuscaloosa.

The Playmaker played 12 years in Dallas.   That's the only place on Errf he could pull that off.

Nate Newton has been busted with over a ton of weed....he's on the Cowboys pregame.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on July 23, 2017, 09:56:50 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/titans-guard-sebastian-tretola-treated-for-gunshot-wound-released-from-hospital/


Tennessee Titans guard Sebastian Tretola has been released from the hospital after being grazed by a bullet in Fayetteville, Ark., according to a statement from the team. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on July 24, 2017, 08:21:23 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/titans-guard-sebastian-tretola-treated-for-gunshot-wound-released-from-hospital/


Tennessee Titans guard Sebastian Tretola has been released from the hospital after being grazed by a bullet in Fayetteville, Ark., according to a statement from the team.
Great Character, doing it the right way, indeed.

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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on July 24, 2017, 08:28:35 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/titans-guard-sebastian-tretola-treated-for-gunshot-wound-released-from-hospital/


Tennessee Titans guard Sebastian Tretola has been released from the hospital after being grazed by a bullet in Fayetteville, Ark., according to a statement from the team.

We got a Raz-alert notification about 2:30 that morning saying there was a shooting at lot 53.  Guess he was one of the victims. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 24, 2017, 09:03:25 AM
We got a Raz-alert notification about 2:30 that morning saying there was a shooting at lot 53.  Guess he was one of the victims.

Quote
Two men were shot at about 1:45 a.m in Lot 53 by the Lit Lounge near the area of Lafayette Street and West Ave. and taken to Washington Regional Medical Center with nonlife-threatening injuries, Fayetteville Police Department Sgt. Anthony Murphy said.

The police department did not release the names of the men who were shot.

Murphy said the police are searching for a suspect who shot the men.

"The shooting was preceded by an altercation between two males," Murphy said. "That altercation escalated. One of the males produced a handgun and fired shots."

The second injured person was a bystander, Murphy said.

"Sometimes you just can't help things that occur at 2 a.m. in an entertainment district like that," Murphy said.

Ex-Razorback football player grazed by bullet outside Arkansas club  (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/jul/24/ex-hog-grazed-by-bullet-tretola-ok-2017/)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 24, 2017, 09:11:06 AM
We got a Raz-alert notification about 2:30 that morning saying there was a shooting at lot 53.  Guess he was one of the victims.

they are so annoying, which is why i turn on my DND at night. we get them for random dumb shit sometimes.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on July 24, 2017, 09:43:47 AM
they are so annoying, which is why i turn on my DND at night. we get them for random dumb shit sometimes.

Yeah, I didn't enjoy receiving that at 2:30 knowing I had to be up at 5:30, and had just gone to bed around 12:00.   

Seems like most of them occur somewhere on Porter Road. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 24, 2017, 10:33:41 AM
Whew. Thank goodness. Jerrah done investigated and found absolutely nothing to do with domestic abuse on Zeke. I would imagine that original charge of "DOMESTIC ABUSE" was code words for Russian collusion too.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 24, 2017, 12:17:46 PM
Re Tretola

Channel 16 reported that two males were seen arguing and one of the males was shot in the leg. Then proceeded to call Tretola a bi-stander...was there multiple GSR victims?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on July 24, 2017, 02:20:31 PM
Cowboy's Whitehead stolt something and got arrested.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 24, 2017, 02:33:48 PM
Cowboy's Whitehead stolt something and got arrested.

That wasn't very Lucky of him.  Speculation  is that he wont make the roster as Ryan Switzer is the new return guy, and he has hands like a lobster. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on July 24, 2017, 02:37:54 PM
Ryan Switzer is the new return guy, and he has hands like a lobster.

When he reads this, his eyes are gonna pop out of his head.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 24, 2017, 02:57:24 PM
That wasn't very Lucky of him.  Speculation  is that he wont make the roster as Ryan Switzer is the new return guy, and he has hands like a lobster.


Which one has lobster hands?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 24, 2017, 03:05:13 PM


Maybe Tretola was just trying to take some of the heat off Ronnie Brewer.

Ronnie Brewer arrested for DWI (http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/jul/23/ronnie-brewer-arrested-dwi/)

Quote
Brewer, 32, was stopped at 11:33 p.m. by Fayetteville police after revving the engine of the car he was driving and crossing the double yellow center line at Center St. and Church Ave. before pulling into a private residence according to a preliminary arrest report.

The arresting officer said in the report he could smell the odor of intoxicants on Brewer's breath, that his eyes were blood shot and watery and his speech was slurred.

Brewer conducted a field sobriety test in the manner consistent with an intoxicated person, according to the report, and refused to take a breathalyzer test.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 24, 2017, 04:32:30 PM
Re Tretola

Channel 16 reported that two males were seen arguing and one of the males was shot in the leg. Then proceeded to call Tretola a bi-stander...was there multiple GSR victims?

FPD says Tretola was involved in the fight that preceded the shooting.

Police say ex-Razorback football player in fight before shooting, identify 2nd man hurt  (http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/jul/24/police-sebastian-tretola-among-two-shot-university/?f=crime)

Quote
Sgt. Anthony Murphy with the Fayetteville Police Department said that “the shooting was preceded by an altercation between two males. That altercation escalated. One of the males produced a handgun and fired shots.”

Tretola was the man in a fight with the shooter, the newspaper reported Monday, citing a news release from police. Murphy previously stated that one of the injured was a bystander.

This, of course, wouldn't be Tretola's first alleged incident at a club or a bar.  He's currently being sued in Tennessee by a man who says Tretola and another Titans player beat him up in an alley behind a bar.  Tretola and his teammate have countersued, admitting they roughed the guy up but asserting it was in self defense. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 24, 2017, 05:13:12 PM

Which one has lobster hands?

Lucky Whitehead, wide receiver who drops passes, fumbles kicks, and evidently couldn't pull off the five finger discount because of his lobster claws.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 25, 2017, 02:02:07 PM
Lucky Whitehead, wide receiver who drops passes, fumbles kicks, and evidently couldn't pull off the five finger discount because of his lobster claws.


Whitehead's charges were dropped after it was determined to be a case of mistaken identity, but the Cowboys still don't want him.

Report: Whitehead will still be cut despite mistaken identity (http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-whitehead-will-still-be-cut-despite-mistaken-identity/ar-AAoP82p?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on July 25, 2017, 02:17:33 PM
lol sumbitch can't even catch a charge.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on July 25, 2017, 02:59:01 PM
lol sumbitch can't even catch a charge.

 If it was a case of mistaken identity, why are they still going to Whitehead him from the roster?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Razor B on July 25, 2017, 03:15:09 PM
First preseason game is a week from Thursday?  I'm not done making all the stuff for my family's fourth of July dinner.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 25, 2017, 05:07:00 PM
First preseason game is a week from Thursday?  I'm not done making all the stuff for my family's fourth of July dinner.

I guess that's the HOF game unless they aren't doing that anymore.


News and notes:

Mike Vick is coaching intern for Chiefs.

RG3 worked out for Chargers and "is stronger than ever".

Colin Kapernick needs to learn how to speak Canadian
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 25, 2017, 05:18:50 PM
If it was a case of mistaken identity, why are they still going to Whitehead him from the roster?

He just got squeezed off the roster
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 25, 2017, 06:57:11 PM

Meanwhile, Jourdan Lewis was acquitted today, clearing the way for him to join the Cowboys' training camp.

Jourdan Lewis Ruled Not Guilty In Domestic Violence Trial (http://www.dallascowboys.com/2017campblog?sf100897350=1)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 25, 2017, 07:10:42 PM
Meanwhile, Jourdan Lewis was acquitted today, clearing the way for him to join the Cowboys' training camp.

Jourdan Lewis Ruled Not Guilty In Domestic Violence Trial (http://www.dallascowboys.com/2017campblog?sf100897350=1)

Whitehead was not likely to make the roster, and evidently he has had a habit of getting caught telling lies to the coaches about some of his other fuckups.  When he claimed he didn't know anything he didn't have much credibility.  Obviously his agent were a dumbass too, So hes a good candidate for a head on a stick when Garrett was looking for one.  Some said it was going to be Irving until this blew up on Lucky.  Cincy next stop likely.

Goodell will likely suspend Lewis anyway.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 25, 2017, 07:13:22 PM
Does he keep popping off on the coaches?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 26, 2017, 03:27:35 PM
Garrett and the Jones have always adhered to part of Jimmy Johnson's mantra that one doesn't treat players the same.  Stars are treated differently than lunchpail guys vs camp odder.  Jimmy's "asthma field" rings true. 

The problem is that Jerry has always gone overboard to protect players fucking up.  Also, they missed the part from Jimmy about hit me with a hammer if I ever bring in a dumb player.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 26, 2017, 07:32:12 PM
Bills traded Cardale Jones to LA Chargers

Whitehead picked up off waivers by Jets
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 26, 2017, 08:30:16 PM
Lucky may not even make the jets roster.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 27, 2017, 12:11:17 AM
Joe Flacco out 4-6 weeks of season with a disc issue.

Ryan Mallett you're up.  We'll see if ravens have confidence in him.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 27, 2017, 06:06:09 AM

Mike Vick is coaching intern for Chiefs.

Lucky dog.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: PigsInSpace on July 27, 2017, 06:11:25 AM
Joe Flacco out 4-6 weeks of season with a disc issue.

Ryan Mallett you're up.  We'll see if ravens have confidence in him.


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Kaepernick actually makes a lot of sense here.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on July 27, 2017, 11:03:43 AM
Joe Flacco out 4-6 weeks of season with a disc issue.

Ryan Mallett you're up.  We'll see if ravens have confidence in him.


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Can "Scantrom" piss away another good opportunity?  Maybe investing in an alarm clock would be a good idea for camp.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: USAFHawg on July 27, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Kaepernick actually makes a lot of sense here.

How does that make sense? Since the Ravens have no offense, a bad QB is what they need?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on July 27, 2017, 01:38:41 PM
How does that make sense? Since the Ravens have no offense, a bad QB is what they need?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

Flacco is a fairly immobile, huge-armed QB.  As much as I hate the Ravens, I always felt they provided Mallett the best opportunity to succeed of anyone in the league.

Hell, when he made his first start for the Ravens, less than two weeks after they signed him, I picked him up and started him in fantasy that week - against my Steelers.  And it worked.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on July 27, 2017, 02:36:27 PM
skipper at cowboys camp. ufa don't get to punch back

https://twitter.com/MaxSportsSA/status/890388792040988672
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Just here for the Italian porn on July 27, 2017, 08:35:01 PM
Poor Julio can't seem to hang on to jewelry.  He lost a ring in Houston back in February

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20163116/julio-jones-atlanta-falcons-loses-150k-earring-lake (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20163116/julio-jones-atlanta-falcons-loses-150k-earring-lake)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 28, 2017, 03:02:35 AM
Continual fuckup David Irving of Cowboys also lost jewelry having a nipple ring ripped out at practice.  He can heal during his suspension.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 28, 2017, 06:44:08 AM
And Ravens sign QB David Olson of the KC Pharaoahs. 

They now think Flacco is out only 1 or 2 weeks.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 28, 2017, 08:53:57 AM
And Ravens sign QB David Olson of the KC Pharaoahs. 

They now think Flacco is out only 1 or 2 weeks.


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The KC who?

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 28, 2017, 10:53:02 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ravens-sign-%E2%80%98camp-arm%E2%80%99-quarterback-david-olson/ar-AAoXewJ?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Guess you don't keep up with your Champions Indoor Professional Football League.  I believe they also operate a janitorial service and teach remedial driving schools.  He sat the bench at Stanford behind Luck and at Clemson behind Deshaun Wallace.  Nothing but a camp arm.  Unless Mallett sleeps through practice again.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 28, 2017, 11:02:01 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ravens-sign-%E2%80%98camp-arm%E2%80%99-quarterback-david-olson/ar-AAoXewJ?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Guess you don't keep up with your Champions Indoor Professional Football League.  I believe they also operate a janitorial service and teach remedial driving schools.  He sat the bench at Stanford behind Luck and at Clemson behind Deshaun Wallace.  Nothing but a camp arm.  Unless Mallett sleeps through practice again.


Ohhhh, the good old CIPFL!  Of course! 

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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cobbler on July 28, 2017, 11:41:53 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/titans-guard-sebastian-tretola-treated-for-gunshot-wound-released-from-hospital/


Tennessee Titans guard Sebastian Tretola has been released from the hospital after being grazed by a bullet in Fayetteville, Ark., according to a statement from the team.

He gone.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/rough-week-shot-last-weekend-sebastian-tretola-cut-titans/amp/
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 28, 2017, 01:09:02 PM
He gone.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/rough-week-shot-last-weekend-sebastian-tretola-cut-titans/amp/

When you're expendable, it's always wise to stay out of trouble.  Tretola has already been involved in two bar incidents since he joined the Titans, including this one where he got himself shot.  Tretola's not a star, so his days were numbered.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 28, 2017, 01:35:59 PM
Ravens QB Ryan Mallett was "intercepted at least five times" in Friday's practice, then lost his cool on the field.

Per ESPN Ravens reporter Jamison Hensley, Mallett "looked awful" filling in for Joe Flacco (back). Hensley observed two other throws that were nearly picked off, and on his final interception, Mallett "threw his white towel in the air," prompting Terrell Suggs to say, "tell (OC Marty Mornhinweg) to tell Mallett to throw to the guys wearing the purple jerseys (on offense)." The Ravens have been considering signing free agent Colon Kaepernick.

Source: Jamison Hensley on Twitter
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 28, 2017, 01:45:34 PM
Typical
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on July 28, 2017, 04:05:37 PM
Ravens QB Ryan Mallett was "intercepted at least five times" in Friday's practice, then lost his cool on the field.

Per ESPN Ravens reporter Jamison Hensley, Mallett "looked awful" filling in for Joe Flacco (back). Hensley observed two other throws that were nearly picked off, and on his final interception, Mallett "threw his white towel in the air," prompting Terrell Suggs to say, "tell (OC Marty Mornhinweg) to tell Mallett to throw to the guys wearing the purple jerseys (on offense)." The Ravens have been considering signing free agent Colon Kaepernick.

Source: Jamison Hensley on Twitter

Mr. Mallet, COME ON DOWWWWWWWWWWWWN!  Your the next former Razorback to be hired by [fill in the blank with NWA Fortune 500 company] for $40 grand a year.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 28, 2017, 04:11:48 PM
Well maybe he will bounce back
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 28, 2017, 05:27:36 PM
Can buy a lot of weed for what he has made sitting on the pine.  No need to risk injury actually playing in a real game.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mike Slive on July 28, 2017, 05:38:49 PM
Can buy a lot of weed for what he has made sitting on the pine.  No need to risk injury actually playing in a real game.

So the "Family Arm" has really been the "Reefer Rifle" all along?  :stache:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on July 28, 2017, 06:17:12 PM
What a waste(d).
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 28, 2017, 09:28:49 PM
Maybe not a waste.  Quick, name all the Arkansas QBs in the last 30 years who have played in the NFL longer than Mallett.

He's not the first guy with a big arm to not be an NFL success.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 28, 2017, 09:30:20 PM
Mallett is just terrible.  A lazy waste of talent. If he has another practice like today and he'll get shipped out.  Last stop.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DrMongoose on July 28, 2017, 10:02:47 PM
too bad the Arkansas Twisters are no more.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on July 28, 2017, 10:54:35 PM
too bad the Arkansas Twisters Diamonds are no more.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 29, 2017, 09:33:46 AM
If he truly cared about having a long career and accepting a backup role, he should probably attempt being a better teammate and not sulking and whining when things go wrong. Didn't he also do this when he got benched for Hoyer mid game on national TV?

Waste of talent, because if he could be a half-ass decent teammate and show up on time to meetings, he'd at least have a shot of starting somewhere.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on July 29, 2017, 09:35:11 AM
If he truly cared about having a long career and accepting a backup role, he should probably attempt being a better teammate and not sulking and whining when things go wrong. Didn't he also do this when he got benched for Hoyer mid game on national TV?

Waste of talent, because if he could be a half-ass decent teammate and show up on time to meetings, he'd at least have a shot of starting somewhere.

at worst he could ride the pine making league minimum for a 6 year vet which is probably north of $600k vs what he's going to find after he gets his ass cut.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 29, 2017, 11:10:54 AM
We all know practice chatter is 100% legit. Mallet is one of those guys media and fans all seem to be gleeful to pounce on. What's his record as a starter? Like 3-5 or something. I mean the browns are saying Kessler is currently their #1....he's 0-8.

The problem with Mallett is he's that 30+ year old guy that's hung around but hasn't really cemented himself as anything to pin your hopes to. Many other backups of similar skill set like Henne were given up on years ago but just stay on a roster.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 29, 2017, 01:40:11 PM
We all know practice chatter is 100% legit. Mallet is one of those guys media and fans all seem to be gleeful to pounce on. What's his record as a starter? Like 3-5 or something. I mean the browns are saying Kessler is currently their #1....he's 0-8.

The problem with Mallett is he's that 30+ year old guy that's hung around but hasn't really cemented himself as anything to pin your hopes to. Many other backups of similar skill set like Henne were given up on years ago but just stay on a roster.

People are gleeful to pounce on him because he makes his self an easy target. I haven't seen Chad Henne missing meetings and pouting for being pulled from a game. We've seen that from Mallett. Multiple times. On tv. His former coach talked about it. Direct quotations from teammates. Folks aren't just taking random people's word for it.

People get hung up on the drug rumors from his pre-draft times, but if one thing is as evident as ever with Mallett, maturity continues to be an issue. He has a track record of immaturity for people to base a perspective on.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 29, 2017, 02:32:29 PM
Point to me where he's missed meetings in Baltimore? Failed drug tests?

I would expect any QB to be throwing a fit if he had thrown five ints in a practice.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on July 29, 2017, 02:50:17 PM
Point to me where he's missed meetings in Baltimore? Failed drug tests?

I would expect any QB to be throwing a fit if he had thrown five ints in a practice.
He threw a fit but he missed and some dude picked it off.   :D
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 29, 2017, 02:58:25 PM
Point to me where he's missed meetings in Baltimore? Failed drug tests?

I would expect any QB to be throwing a fit if he had thrown five ints in a practice.

We're supposed to ignore his reputation and past actions in Houston and the pre-draft process when looking at his demeanor in Baltimore? I'm not talking about the pre-draft drug stuff. He apparently just admitted past use to teams. I'm talking about what he has acted like during a game, on national TV. I'm talking about what his former coach and teammates said about him. Like it or not, he earned that.

No one is treating him unfairly, here. His reputation simply precedes him.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 29, 2017, 03:27:12 PM
A lot of other QBs do the same things, but we all pay attention more b/c Mallet played here.

6 year vet, starting year 7.  At QB in the NFL.  And some people have to pile on missed meetings from 3 years ago once he throws 5 ints.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 29, 2017, 03:33:44 PM
We're supposed to ignore his reputation and past actions in Houston and the pre-draft process when looking at his demeanor in Baltimore? I'm not talking about the pre-draft drug stuff. He apparently just admitted past use to teams. I'm talking about what he has acted like during a game, on national TV. I'm talking about what his former coach and teammates said about him. Like it or not, he earned that.

No one is treating him unfairly, here. His reputation simply precedes him.

I think people keep dredging it up (to me it's mostly ancient history) and yes maybe he's still that guy. The way he's portrayed he should have been ran out of the league and found in a ditch by now. Maybe the Ravens will cut him loose if he's not panning out. I doubt seriously that organization is going to keep a bad apple in the bunch when there are other veterans QBs on the street. I think Ryan is a guy that has bad days and tends to pout. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of quarterback that have had bad practices and ended up crying.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 29, 2017, 03:44:20 PM
I think people keep dredging it up (to me it's mostly ancient history) and yes maybe he's still that guy. The way he's portrayed he should have been ran out of the league and found in a ditch by now. Maybe the Ravens will cut him loose if he's not panning out. I doubt seriously that organization is going to keep a bad apple in the bunch when there are other veterans QBs on the street. I think Ryan is a guy that has bad days and tends to pout. I'm willing to bet there are a lot of quarterback that have had bad practices and ended up crying.
It hasn't even been two years since he pouted his way out of Houston.
That's not ancient.

Hopefully he keeps it together and continues to contribute. You can't scream foul every time he's treated like a whiner when he pouts around again, though. He has that rep for a reason.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 29, 2017, 07:21:42 PM
at worst he could ride the pine making league minimum for a 6 year vet which is probably north of $600k vs what he's going to find after he gets his ass cut.

There is no shame in being a career backup.  Its great money, an easy path to a pension, and often a fast track to a coaching career.  Mallett was given a great shot in Houston to either show he could be a starter or at worst a solid backup that studies hard and earns the trust of his coaches and teammates.  He blew it. 

They just finished OTAs so to come into camp and toss that many INTs in practice in camp is going to be a problem.  a six year vet needs to be beyond that.  Worst is having a tantrum like a spoiled high schooler.  Waste.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: REDHEAD on July 29, 2017, 07:34:10 PM
The important question I feel is being lost here is just where is Ryan Mallets SCANTRON. Find Mallets SCANTRON and every other question need not be asked.  Who killed JFK? Did we really land on the moon? Russia? God? The fucking SCANTRON guys!!!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 29, 2017, 07:54:56 PM
One nobody from ESPN saw this happen. I haven't seen any independent confirmation.

This is the power of the leftist media attempting to fill that story line of Colin Kapernick. The instant Flacco went down the media got its dick hard for killing Mallett off and installing CK into the fray.

That's my tin foil hat theory.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 29, 2017, 08:01:15 PM
One nobody from ESPN saw this happen. I haven't seen any independent confirmation.

This is the power of the leftist media attempting to fill that story line of Colin Kapernick. The instant Flacco went down the media got its dick hard for killing Mallett off and installing CK into the fray.

That's my tin foil hat theory.

Trump says Mallett throwing 5 interceptions is just more fake news from CNN.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 29, 2017, 09:06:42 PM
Baltimore and Kapernick deserve each other.  Fuck that town and their 'let it burn' mayor.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DrMongoose on July 29, 2017, 10:28:05 PM
Maybe he needs a BMFP to constantly ride his ass.
How else do you explain his success on the hill?
Of course, he's not the first BMFP college QB to struggle in the NFL
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on July 30, 2017, 08:08:21 AM
There is no shame in being a career backup.  Its great money, an easy path to a pension, and often a fast track to a coaching career.  Mallett was given a great shot in Houston to either show he could be a starter or at worst a solid backup that studies hard and earns the trust of his coaches and teammates.  He blew it.

shane matthews was a career backup for like 14 years.  once you get to 10 yrs the league minimums are well over a $1m per.  that dude made 5x more money by 36 than i'll make by 70.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 31, 2017, 10:06:32 AM
Looks like Mallett has stunk it up to the point Ravens are looking at Kap or RG3. Flacco is expected to miss no more than 2 games.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 31, 2017, 10:36:04 AM
Bortles has had worse start and people are flipping their shit about Mallett.  Sounds about right.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on July 31, 2017, 10:46:53 AM
Looks like Mallett has stunk it up to the point Ravens are looking at Kap or RG3. Flacco is expected to miss no more than 2 games.


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I was really hoping that practice report where they pegged he had a "meltdown" was just a case of nerves.  The possible opportunity of pulling a Tom Brady and taking over a starters position due to an injury may have just been too huge of a stage.  Waiting to hear his next practice report update.  It's not like he hasn't shown signs of brilliance for them in the past.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 31, 2017, 10:48:41 AM
I was really hoping that practice report where they pegged he had a "meltdown" was just a case of nerves.  The possible opportunity of pulling a Tom Brady and taking over a starters position due to an injury may have just been too huge of a stage.  Waiting to hear his next practice report update.  It's not like he hasn't shown signs of brilliance for them in the past.


Practice comes at you so fast, it just messes you up!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on July 31, 2017, 10:49:52 AM
They need capable arms in camp regardless and a competition between Mallett and either RG3 or other vet isn't a bad thing for the Ravens.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 31, 2017, 11:35:14 AM
Bortles has had worse start and people are flipping their shit about Mallett.  Sounds about right.
Was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 31, 2017, 12:14:23 PM
The conclusion is that the guy is in the league in year 7 with a chance to start at least one game, and he's a waste.  Especially since all the other Razorback QB's have played amazing in the NFL and woopig pundits parsing from local papers are the best prognosticators of future NFL success.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on July 31, 2017, 12:15:24 PM
Bortles has had worse start and people are flipping their shit about Mallett.  Sounds about right.

The difference is that for some reason ESPN is desperate for Colin Kaepernick to get signed and apparently they've decided that Baltimore is his best opportunity.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 31, 2017, 12:17:13 PM
And while we're at it, I can state that I definitely suck at predicting future NFL success by Razorbacks.  The only one I ever definitely got right was Flowers, and that was only because I sat by his dad and brother at a game and heard stories that made me think how hard a worker he was.

The NFL is definitely a league where a lot of talent is similar.  It's the work you put in and the leadership qualities that determine your success, regardless of position.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 31, 2017, 12:34:57 PM
Bortles has had worse start and people are flipping their shit about Mallett.  Sounds about right.

Bortles is a three overall pick, which carries a sizeable contract which is the only reason he's still in Jacksonville.  He is on a short leash.  He is an INT machine.

Mallett doesn't have that luxury.  Olson is the other camp arm.  If they sign kap, rg3, or any similar backup with a contract of consequence I'd expect Mallett to be having a visit from the Turk. Personally I wouldn't want either of those guys.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 31, 2017, 12:38:18 PM
Book is out on Bortles and everyone knows he has a short leash.
He's been shit all over for quite a while now.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on July 31, 2017, 06:09:40 PM
And while we're at it, I can state that I definitely suck at predicting future NFL success by Razorbacks.  The only one I ever definitely got right was Flowers, and that was only because I sat by his dad and brother at a game and heard stories that made me think how hard a worker he was.

The NFL is definitely a league where a lot of talent is similar.  It's the work you put in and the leadership qualities that determine your success, regardless of position.
It's a good thing you were seated next to a current players family, instead of a recruit. You know, because otherwise there's no way anyone would send their child to play for such an ignorant fanbase.  :borat:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 03, 2017, 10:18:00 AM
SHOCKING! (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717641-ryan-tannehill-taken-to-locker-room-with-apparent-knee-injury-after-fall)  Shocking, I tell ya!

Fucking idiot douchebag Michigander owner and his ridiculous contract extension.

No, don't have surgery the first time around.  100% healed, sure.

Arkansas can't have nice things because we're jinxed.  My Dolphins can't have nice things because they put all their golden eggs in one basket, drag them down the road for miles and throw them in the sewer.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 03, 2017, 12:32:33 PM
But everyone thought putting the eggs in the Ryan Tannehill basket was a can't-miss deal!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 03, 2017, 12:45:18 PM
But everyone thought putting the eggs in the Ryan Tannehill basket was a can't-miss deal!

Looks like it's time to engineer a trade with the Ravens to bring in Ryan Mallett.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 03, 2017, 01:17:32 PM
Looks like it's time to engineer a trade with the Ravens to bring in Ryan Mallett.

I wonder what Matt Jones is doing?  There seems to be an affinity here for trans-WR/QB types.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 03, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
SHOCKING! (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2717641-ryan-tannehill-taken-to-locker-room-with-apparent-knee-injury-after-fall)  Shocking, I tell ya!

Fucking idiot douchebag Michigander owner and his ridiculous contract extension.

No, don't have surgery the first time around.  100% healed, sure.

Arkansas can't have nice things because we're jinxed.  My Dolphins can't have nice things because they put all their golden eggs in one basket, drag them down the road for miles and throw them in the sewer.

You would think the pounding he took while at aTm would prepare him for the rigors of the NFL.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 03, 2017, 01:29:32 PM
I wonder what Matt Jones is doing?  There seems to be an affinity here for trans-WR/QB types.


I didn't know this.  Has he had the surgery yet?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Micky O'Boarke on August 03, 2017, 03:32:06 PM
You would think the pounding he took while at aTm would prepare him for the rigors of the NFL.

I see what you did there.   :borat:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 03, 2017, 04:01:38 PM

I didn't know this.  Has he had the surgery yet?


Tannehill?  Oh yeah.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: tboned on August 03, 2017, 05:38:47 PM

I didn't know this.  Has he had the surgery yet?


 :maundoed:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 03, 2017, 07:11:29 PM
Sam Irwin Hill sighting kicking off for the Cowboys
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 03, 2017, 07:56:04 PM
Sam Irwin Hill sighting kicking off for the Cowboys

Never understood why he didn't get a shot earlier. He was really solid for us.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 03, 2017, 08:22:45 PM
Sam Irwin Hill sighting kicking off for the Cowboys

While you're watching the Aussie handling all the kicking duties for America's Team tonight, I want you all to think about how we lost two games in Irwin-Hill's senior season by having our third best kicker attempting FGs and PATs. 

Also feel free to brood about all the kickoffs from 2013-14 that ended up being caught somewhere between the 10 and the 35 yard lines as well while watching Irwin-Hill booting the ball out of the end zone.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 03, 2017, 08:54:22 PM
He's a camp kicker getting a shot to make some film. That's it.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 03, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
While you're watching the Aussie handling all the kicking duties for America's Team tonight, I want you all to think about how we lost two games in Irwin-Hill's senior season by having our third best kicker attempting FGs and PATs. 

Also feel free to brood about all the kickoffs from 2013-14 that ended up being caught somewhere between the 10 and the 35 yard lines as well while watching Irwin-Hill booting the ball out of the end zone.

Well the kicking tee's are different or something. It's also possible that he was "raw" while we had him.  It matters not...he will back serving Fosters in a month.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 03, 2017, 09:26:49 PM
He's a camp kicker getting a shot to make some film. That's it.


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Well of course he's not going to beat out Bailey. 

Henson will never get that much of chance, and shouldn't have ever been on the field for a meaningful kick at Arkansas either. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 03, 2017, 09:30:41 PM
While you're watching the Aussie handling all the kicking duties for America's Team tonight, I want you all to think about how we lost two games in Irwin-Hill's senior season by having our third best kicker attempting FGs and PATs. 

Also feel free to brood about all the kickoffs from 2013-14 that ended up being caught somewhere between the 10 and the 35 yard lines as well while watching Irwin-Hill booting the ball out of the end zone.

Wait, the Aussie is a FG kicker in the NFL? If this is true, I'm darksiding after the first loss.

Edit: I just saw him make a FG. It wasn't pretty but yea, not a good look if our punter can even try out FGs in the NFL and never got a crack during our kicking woes.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 03, 2017, 09:47:13 PM
Someone needs to send Bert some tape on this Hill kid. That's what a kicker should look like not the weird performance art we've seen instead
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 03, 2017, 10:02:13 PM
If he hasn't already I would fully expect Bert to make some pat on the back gesture that he put Sam Irwin-Hill in the NFL via twitter.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 03, 2017, 10:04:13 PM
Yeah but Irwin-Hill scored more touchdowns than any other kicker Bert has had.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 03, 2017, 10:35:11 PM
So our former punter who is know a quasi NFL kicker sat on the bench while special teams guru BERT trotted out rejects and walk ons that douched the place up for the last couple years? Fucking great!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 03, 2017, 10:51:25 PM
Wait, the Aussie is a FG kicker in the NFL? If this is true, I'm darksiding after the first loss.

Edit: I just saw him make a FG. It wasn't pretty but yea, not a good look if our punter can even try out FGs in the NFL and never got a crack during our kicking woes.

Like TexZilla said, he's likely just camp fodder.  But the ugly field goal Irwin-Hill kicked didn't look anywhere near as ugly as the one Henson missed by about 30 yards in the Aggy game, or the extra point he bricked against Alabama. 

To be clear in case any of you are related to Henson, I'm not meaning to disparage him here.  He was doing the best he could.  My beef is with the guy who anointed him as starting kicker when there were apparently at least two other better options on the sideline. 
Title: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: CrocodileHunter on August 03, 2017, 11:02:03 PM
Like TexZilla said, he's likely just camp fodder.  But the ugly field goal Irwin-Hill kicked didn't look anywhere near as ugly as the one Henson missed by about 30 yards in the Aggy game, or the extra point he bricked against Alabama. 

To be clear in case any of you are related to Henson, I'm not meaning to disparage him here.  He was doing the best he could.  My beef is with the guy who anointed him as starting kicker when there were apparently at least two other better options on the sideline.


We had a kicker named Henson? Fuck, I must be getting old because I sure don't remember that.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 03, 2017, 11:39:58 PM
Interesting.

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News-and-Notes-83-Ryan-Mallett-Has-Impressive-Practice/672ce8d6-f021-4b45-986e-e6f0a594094c

"I think Ryan has played well," Head Coach John Harbaugh said. "He had really a not a good day [last week], and I saw a lot of stories about that. I see he's having some pretty good days, and I haven't really seen anything written about that. What's up with that?

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 03, 2017, 11:58:30 PM


What in the Sam Irwin-Hill is going on up there?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 04, 2017, 12:08:50 AM

We had a kicker named Henson? Fuck, I must be getting old because I sure don't remember that.

Scroll to 2:35.  Then prepare to puke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyN-p0TUojI
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 04, 2017, 12:16:03 AM
Scroll to 2:35.  Then prepare to puke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyN-p0TUojI

Am I puking because it's Verne and Gary?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 04, 2017, 04:31:40 AM
Interesting.

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News-and-Notes-83-Ryan-Mallett-Has-Impressive-Practice/672ce8d6-f021-4b45-986e-e6f0a594094c

"I think Ryan has played well," Head Coach John Harbaugh said. "He had really a not a good day [last week], and I saw a lot of stories about that. I see he's having some pretty good days, and I haven't really seen anything written about that. What's up with that?

Been waiting to hear or read about practices since his bad one. Hope that one exceptionally bad practice was a fluke.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 04, 2017, 10:00:56 AM
Interesting.

http://m.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/News-and-Notes-83-Ryan-Mallett-Has-Impressive-Practice/672ce8d6-f021-4b45-986e-e6f0a594094c

"I think Ryan has played well," Head Coach John Harbaugh said. "He had really a not a good day [last week], and I saw a lot of stories about that. I see he's having some pretty good days, and I haven't really seen anything written about that. What's up with that?

That can't be right; he had a bad practice the other day which means he sucks, he's always sucked, and will forever suck.  At least according to ESPN which has some weird creepy pedarist agenda to get Colin Kaepernick a job.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 04, 2017, 10:08:11 AM
Re: Mallett

Just working in some PR to build back up the concept that the Ravens are not signing a flag burning national anthem kneeling terrorist.

Also, let's say they really don't like Mallett but don't like what's on the street. Maybe wait and see what emerges from pre-season...there could be a dude on someone's roster that looks good but a team can't fit on a roster.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 04, 2017, 10:52:06 AM
Re: Mallett

Just working in some PR to build back up the concept that the Ravens are not signing a flag burning national anthem kneeling terrorist.

Also, let's say they really don't like Mallett but don't like what's on the street. Maybe wait and see what emerges from pre-season...there could be a dude on someone's roster that looks good but a team can't fit on a roster.

Except, the person most upset that the press has failed to mention that Mallett has had good to great practices every since that one bad one, is the same guy who mentioned having had conversations with Capernick.  Call me racist, or whatever, Capernick's talents to do not mesh with the Ravens's offense.  They don't have the scheme that blocks for or even minimally would allow success for Capernick's strengths.

The rest of your post I pretty much agree with though, so you got that going for you today.  LOL.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 04, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
That can't be right; he had a bad practice the other day which means he sucks, he's always sucked, and will forever suck.  At least according to ESPN which has some weird creepy pedarist agenda to get Colin Kaepernick a job.
ESPN is just doing what ESPN does.  NFL owners are way more conservative than ESPN though. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Vito Porkleone on August 04, 2017, 11:12:50 AM
Except, the person most upset that the press has failed to mention that Mallett has had good to great practices every since that one bad one, is the same guy who mentioned having had conversations with Capernick.  Call me racist, or whatever, Capernick's talents to do not mesh with the Ravens's offense.  They don't have the scheme that blocks for or even minimally would allow success for Capernick's strengths.

The rest of your post I pretty much agree with though, so you got that going for you today.  LOL.

This.  The Harbaugh connection was the only reason for the spin.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 04, 2017, 11:30:39 AM
Kap is the Tebow replacement unicorn subplot for ESPN/sports media. He's way better than Tebow and prob should have a paying gig...but in the NFL you have to be marketable and a team player and reasonably good.

Even before all the anthem stuff dude had some antics, nothing much but there is a reason he lost his starting gig to like Blaine Gabbert or something.

Supposedly he was offered a contract from someone early in the summer and they were a few million dollars apart. I gather the deals haven't gotten any better.

I think it's possible he gets signed after the season has started and a team can give him a non-guaranteed contract so they can dump him for a little bit of nothing if he he's a PR nightmare.

I'm not sure who this guy is a fit for as a starter, maybe the Jags. Jets maybe but that would be a shit show.

At this point he's waiting for a major injury to a starter or backup and still has to compete with RG3 for a gig if not Cutler.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 04, 2017, 12:14:54 PM
ESPN is just doing what ESPN does.  NFL owners are way more conservative than ESPN though.


Yep, ESPiN has their talking points like any other cable "news" channel.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 04, 2017, 01:16:24 PM
Money sports markets are on East and West coasts.  this ain't rocket surgery.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 05, 2017, 02:46:30 AM
That can't be right; he had a bad practice the other day which means he sucks, he's always sucked, and will forever suck.  At least according to ESPN which has some weird creepy pedarist agenda to get Colin Kaepernick a job.

Wait.  So does that mean a QB from Arkansas still in the league in his 7th year with a pretty decent start for the team he still plays for doesn't suck?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 05, 2017, 11:40:05 AM
What is Harbaugh really supposed to say in that spot besides what he said?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 05, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Camp-Highlights-Mallett-Threads-the-Needle/32105b6c-05f5-4d4f-8fc6-a341cdb553b7?campaign=tw-share

Like the Family Arm we all loved at Arkansas
Title: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 05, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
Cap and his lunatic girlfriend keep shooting themselves in the foot.  If she hadn't called the Ravens owner a slavemaster maybe he'd get a call.  Had cap not worn a Fidel t shirt and sung the praises of the socialist paradise in Miami last year probably kinda fucked himself when tannehill went down.  Fucktard.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 05, 2017, 09:23:28 PM
Fuck that clown.  And fuck his daddy Herm Edwards too.  ESPN has turned into the Lavar Ball suck-off and Kap Employment Watch channel.....and wonder why their ratings are so shitty.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 06, 2017, 12:46:30 AM
Ratings are dropping for every major sport on television -- and have been for a while -- but yeah, let's talk about how Kaepernick is ruining ratings.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 06, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
LT had maybe the best speech by a Texan since Sam Houston in Canton last night.  Jerry had a great speech about family and some nice bits for Jimmy and as good a apologia for football as I've heard.  Warner gave a speech that basically will be then endboard of his movie they're making.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 06, 2017, 09:23:02 AM
Ratings are dropping for every major sport on television -- and have been for a while -- but yeah, let's talk about how Kaepernick is ruining ratings.

I think he's talking about ratings for the bullshit filler programming, like what they are trying to pass off as Sportscenter these days and all the screaming reporter shows.   
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on August 06, 2017, 09:58:45 AM
I think he's talking about ratings for the bullshit filler programming, like what they are trying to pass off as Sportscenter these days and all the screaming reporter shows.
The dumb shits are marketing to a group that doesn't even watch TV and doesn't have much money, and drove off its former audience that has money with said marketing.  Couldn't happen to a better group of morons.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 06, 2017, 10:59:14 AM
The dumb shits are marketing to a group that doesn't even watch TV and doesn't have much money, and drove off its former audience that has money with said marketing.  Couldn't happen to a better group of morons.

That's a really good point and one that I had not thought of. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on August 06, 2017, 12:22:27 PM
The dumb shits are marketing to a group that doesn't even watch TV and doesn't have much money, and drove off its former audience that has money with said marketing.  Couldn't happen to a better group of morons.

sounds like your typical fortune 500 company executive level thinking right there. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 06, 2017, 08:17:06 PM
I think he's talking about ratings for the bullshit filler programming, like what they are trying to pass off as Sportscenter these days and all the screaming reporter shows.
if ratings are dropping in all sports, I'd guess a sports networks sports programs would drop as well.
It's not like there's another sports network out there beating them at anything. FS1 shows get out-rated by reruns of spongebob
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 06, 2017, 08:21:05 PM
Cutler.  Oh boy. 

I guess it can't get any worse. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 06, 2017, 09:01:58 PM
Cutler.  Oh boy. 

I guess it can't get any worse.

At least he's an American.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 06, 2017, 10:08:50 PM
Cutler.  Oh boy. 

I guess it can't get any worse.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 07, 2017, 09:05:04 AM


Talk about setting high goals for yourself.  :maundoed:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Snorts on August 09, 2017, 07:06:24 AM
I figure most of you young uns already have seen it, but if you search "Smoking Jay Cutler" on the internets there will be laughs.  There are even some new memes after his presser.  Hilarious.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on August 09, 2017, 02:53:08 PM
I figure most of you young uns already have seen it, but if you search "Smoking Jay Cutler" on the internets there will be laughs.  There are even some new memes after his presser.  Hilarious.

Saw it suggested on Twitter that, now he's a Florida resident, the meme should be "vaping Cutler."
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 09, 2017, 03:26:28 PM
I really wish he would start smoking on the field.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 09, 2017, 03:38:12 PM
Dammit, I'm letting myself get sucked in by the Saints again. 

They could be good.  The O line looks solidified with depth once Armstead returns.  AP looking like a freak of nature.  The WR depth is the best of the Payton era.  Look out for Brandon Coleman emerging this year.  The rookie might be a player at TE.

Defense's strength will be the DBs.  Lattimore looks to be a lockdown corner across from Breaux.  D-line has progressed and they get a full season of Rankins.  LBs?  More depth if not spectacular, but Klein and Robertson looking good. 


Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 09, 2017, 03:43:01 PM
Dammit, I'm letting myself get sucked in by the Saints again. 

They could be good.  The O line looks solidified with depth once Armstead returns.  AP looking like a freak of nature.  The WR depth is the best of the Payton era.  Look out for Brandon Coleman emerging this year.  The rookie might be a player at TE.

Defense's strength will be the DBs.  Lattimore looks to be a lockdown corner across from Breaux.  D-line has progressed and they get a full season of Rankins.  LBs?  More depth if not spectacular, but Klein and Robertson looking good.

I'm pretty much convinced Pittsburgh's going 19-0.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Hatchclan on August 09, 2017, 03:49:52 PM
I'm pretty much convinced Pittsburgh's going 19-0.
No way.




Raiders gonna beat them in the AFC Championship game  :dude1:  :dude2:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Razor B on August 09, 2017, 04:29:15 PM
I'm pretty much convinced Pittsburgh's going 19-0.

Okay, you've convinced me too.

(http://rs88.pbsrc.com/albums/k167/PurpleSpringer/1022179035_l.gif~c200)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 09, 2017, 06:18:03 PM
I'm just blown away by Cutler's hallmark season was that one time when they went 6-10.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: gambler on August 09, 2017, 11:26:17 PM
I'm just blown away by Cutler's hallmark season was that one time when they went 6-10.
They were one play away.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: USAFHawg on August 10, 2017, 06:57:19 AM
I'm pretty much convinced Pittsburgh's going 19-0.

Ravens might be perfect this year too.

Unfortunately, it will be 0-16.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 10, 2017, 09:32:30 AM
Hoping Mallett takes a step towards silencing the doubters tonight.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 10, 2017, 09:42:05 AM
Hoping Mallett takes a step towards silencing the doubters tonight.
Doubters?  Is that a thing on this board?  I don't think anyone here questions the guy's talent, just what's between the ears.  Also hoping for the best, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 10, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
Doubters?  Is that a thing on this board?  I don't think anyone here questions the guy's talent, just what's between the ears.  Also hoping for the best, but I'll believe it when I see it.


Up to now, as far as Mallett's NFL career, there's a lot of unrealized potential there.  Hopefully he'll get it together and have some success, but he also wouldn't be the first guy with talent to fail to break through at the professional level. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 10, 2017, 10:37:13 AM

Up to now, as far as Mallett's NFL career, there's a lot of unrealized potential there.  Hopefully he'll get it together and have some success, but he also wouldn't be the first guy with talent to fail to break through at the professional level.

Yep.  And starting a game at QB in Year 7.  How many Hogs have done that?  Anyone besides Ferguson?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 10, 2017, 11:16:07 AM
Yep.  And starting a game at QB in Year 7.  How many Hogs have done that?  Anyone besides Ferguson?

preseason?   we talkin bout preseason.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 10, 2017, 11:17:47 AM
Yep.  And starting a game at QB in Year 7.  How many Hogs have done that?  Anyone besides Ferguson?


I think Joe Ferguson is about the only Razorback QB, at least in the era since 1960, to have any kind of decent NFL career. 

Few of them have even made it to the NFL in the first place, and none regularly played other than Ferguson. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 10, 2017, 11:31:46 AM
I'm pretty much convinced Pittsburgh's going 19-0.

Well, we have Bryant back. Have to get Bell signed long-term.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 10, 2017, 11:37:23 AM
Well, we have Bryant back. Have to get Bell signed long-term.

This year will be like every year for the last 4-5...if we're healthy, we'll be as good as anyone in football.  When people get hurt, we'll struggle to find an identity.  I don't see WR being a problem at all.

I'm super excited about our draft this year.  It won't make any significant difference in 2017, but I bet we look back in 2025 and say "I can't believe how much of our talent was in that one draft."

If Dobbs pans out, with the young receivers, backs and defense, we're set for another decade of contention right now.  I just hope to God I'm not jinxing it by being optimistic for once.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 10, 2017, 11:59:17 AM
This year will be like every year for the last 4-5...if we're healthy, we'll be as good as anyone in football.  When people get hurt, we'll struggle to find an identity.  I don't see WR being a problem at all.

I'm super excited about our draft this year.  It won't make any significant difference in 2017, but I bet we look back in 2025 and say "I can't believe how much of our talent was in that one draft."

If Dobbs pans out, with the young receivers, backs and defense, we're set for another decade of contention right now.  I just hope to God I'm not jinxing it by being optimistic for once.

I agree the Steelers have built a nice base for the next few years...except at QB.  It really looks like all the hits Ben has taken through the years are finally piling up.  I think he plays this year, and maybe one more if he stays upright in 17.  I respect his talent and drive; I'm talking to a succession plan.  Do you think Dobbs or Houston can drive this team as the starter? 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 10, 2017, 12:01:26 PM
Cutler.  Oh boy. 

I guess it can't get any worse.

I'd rather have Jay Fiedler
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 10, 2017, 12:05:40 PM
Hoping Mallett takes a step towards silencing the doubters tonight.

the fact that Mallett will play tonight likely through three quarters says loads about what the Ravens "doubt" about him.  An established starter this week usually will play a series or two, or eight plays.  Mallett is going to be playing with the first and second team offenses.

So if he has great success tonight against mostly guys who will be sacking groceries or driving for uber in a few weeks how will that establish him as a legit NFL starting QB?  Right now he is fighting to prove he can be depended on to be Flacco's backup for a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 10, 2017, 12:13:46 PM

I think Joe Ferguson is about the only Razorback QB, at least in the era since 1960, to have any kind of decent NFL career. 

Few of them have even made it to the NFL in the first place, and none regularly played other than Ferguson.

Yeah, but Mallett started his last game as a Hog.  Ferguson was benched for his last game as a senior.  He learned, and was motivated for a pro career. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2017, 12:30:28 PM
How many preseason games did Tarvaris Jackson start?
I think he's broke now.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 10, 2017, 02:14:00 PM
Doubters?  Is that a thing on this board?  I don't think anyone here questions the guy's talent, just what's between the ears.  Also hoping for the best, but I'll believe it when I see it.

The doubters I was referencing was in response to this article linked below that I was reading which I should have linked in my initial post.  I know regardless of how critical anyone on the Woopigs has been of Malletts performance to date, we all genuinely want to see him succeed. 

I really thought that when he defeated my Steelers team that he had finally arrived at minimum as a counted on back up to a premier starter.  Here's to him taking advantage of this golden opportunity and not looking back.  :beer:

https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2017/8/9/16116798/ryan-mallett-must-silence-the-doubters-on-thursday-baltimore-ravens-joe-flacco-kaepernick
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 10, 2017, 02:16:53 PM
I know regardless of how critical anyone on the Woopigs has been of Malletts performance to date, we all genuinely want to see him succeed



Maybe most.  Definitely not all. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 10, 2017, 02:25:10 PM
Maybe most.  Definitely not all.

Really? I honestly am surprised.  Unless he robbed someone's family, what gives?  He's an ex Razorback player and I thought we all pulled for our players unless maybe they Belk Bowled us.  I got to go re-read some old posts.  I definitely missed something.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 10, 2017, 02:29:44 PM
Really? I honestly am surprised.  Unless he robbed someone's family, what gives?  He's an ex Razorback player and I thought we all pulled for our players unless maybe they Belk Bowled us.  I got to go re-read some old posts.  I definitely missed something.

I probably overstated it a bit, but there are a few here who seem to enjoy Ryan's missteps a little too much. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2017, 02:58:39 PM
I've been super-critical of him, because he has squandered every chance he's had so far.
Hopefully he doesn't squander this one either.

It probably is perceived far worse than I think, because my comments are seemingly juxtaposed against a mindset that seems to present him as a sympathetic figure that has been wronged or hasn't been given a chance. I just don't think he's been nearly as serviceable as a starting QB as some seem to think.

Hopefully, he takes advantage and takes the reins of this spot and leaves the Ravens in good shape when Flacco returns, leading to him getting a better opportunity in Baltimore or somewhere else.
I'm not rooting for him to fail.
I've just seen this show before.

I've said similar things about a multitude of other players here.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 10, 2017, 03:03:04 PM
I probably overstated it a bit, but there are a few here who seem to enjoy Ryan's missteps a little too much.
Just speaking for myself because I have been critical of Mallett in the past, but I would like to see him succeed.  I'm just done rooting for him because what a fuckhead he turned out to be.  After the slipped in the draft, I was like everyone else here saying online and to other team's fans how he got blackballed and would be a star.  But they were right and I was wrong.  I believe in second third fourth chances but I'll believe it when I see it.  I hope I am surprised.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2017, 06:03:28 PM
Your reminder to never put too much weight on these preseason games.

https://twitter.com/bykevinclark/status/895432629629194241
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 10, 2017, 06:45:41 PM
I think it really just comes down to Ryan wasn't good enough to hold down a starting job, but has been serviceable enough to get a backup gig. I think the bad draft PR meant he had a lot of focus on him and his antics while the camera (HBO) was on hasn't helped change anyone's mind.

Consider that he was essentially seen as the equal to Brian Hoyer whom has had multiple starting opportunities and EVERYONE in the stadium knows this guy is going to serve up a few each game...and yet here he is getting a starting gig with the 49ners. Some guys are seen as productive and likable enough to get repeated chances and others like Ryan throw a few interceptions in an early preseason practice and have every swinging dick in the media waiting to tee off.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 10, 2017, 07:54:53 PM
I agree the Steelers have built a nice base for the next few years...except at QB.  It really looks like all the hits Ben has taken through the years are finally piling up.  I think he plays this year, and maybe one more if he stays upright in 17.  I respect his talent and drive; I'm talking to a succession plan.  Do you think Dobbs or Houston can drive this team as the starter?

Ben's talk about the year-to-year thing scares the hell out of me. Landry Jones stinks and is only there because he knows the offense (I guess). He's nowhere near as good a backup as Batch or Fat Albert were.

I don't know what to think about Dobbs but I think he was decent at Tennessee. But I thought Landry Jones was pretty good coming out of OU, too.  I know absolutely nothing about Bart Houston.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on August 10, 2017, 08:18:18 PM
I think it really just comes down to Ryan wasn't good enough to hold down a starting job, but has been serviceable enough to get a backup gig. I think the bad draft PR meant he had a lot of focus on him and his antics while the camera (HBO) was on hasn't helped change anyone's mind.

Consider that he was essentially seen as the equal to Brian Hoyer whom has had multiple starting opportunities and EVERYONE in the stadium knows this guy is going to serve up a few each game...and yet here he is getting a starting gig with the 49ners. Some guys are seen as productive and likable enough to get repeated chances and others like Ryan throw a few interceptions in an early preseason practice and have every swinging dick in the media waiting to tee off.

He's managed to be a roster guy for 7 years in a league notorious for processing folks out.  He's not quite talented enough (mentally, probably) to take the reins, but he's not anything close to a liability or he wouldn't have hung around this long.

He's laughing his way to cashing NFL pension checks while lay-people continue to verbally run him out of the league.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 10, 2017, 09:13:01 PM
Mallett horrific in Ravens' exhibition opener

Ryan Mallett completed 9-of-18 passes for 58 yards in the Ravens' preseason opener against the Redskins.

The Ravens better hope Joe Flacco (back) heals up fast and stays that way for the season if they're going to continue down this road with Mallett as the No. 2. Mallett was playing without Jeremy Maclin, Breshad Perriman, and Mike Wallace at his disposal, but it wouldn't have mattered much. Mallett threw hospital balls down the middle of the field and threw between two Ravens pass catchers a couple times where it was unclear who was his intended target. He also badly underthrew a deep ball that the receiver had to stop on the route. Mallett didn't pick up a first down until the Redskins' backups came in the game.

Per NBC
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 10, 2017, 09:25:36 PM
He's laughing his way to cashing NFL pension checks while lay-people continue to verbally run him out of the league.
WTF?  Just no.  The expectation goalposts certainly have been moved since the days of us screaming about him falling in the draft.  Mallett eeking out roster spots every year should not be some validation of his NFL success.  Franchise arm, practice squad brains.  If he's laughing his way to a pension then that is a good indicator of why he's a bust to me.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 10, 2017, 09:39:12 PM
Mallett horrific in Ravens' exhibition opener

Ryan Mallett completed 9-of-18 passes for 58 yards in the Ravens' preseason opener against the Redskins.

The Ravens better hope Joe Flacco (back) heals up fast and stays that way for the season if they're going to continue down this road with Mallett as the No. 2. Mallett was playing without Jeremy Maclin, Breshad Perriman, and Mike Wallace at his disposal, but it wouldn't have mattered much. Mallett threw hospital balls down the middle of the field and threw between two Ravens pass catchers a couple times where it was unclear who was his intended target. He also badly underthrew a deep ball that the receiver had to stop on the route. Mallett didn't pick up a first down until the Redskins' backups came in the game.

Per NBC

NBC...the terrorist fake news network that wants to see Kaepernick get a shot.

I watched the first series and could have wrote this paragraph, he threw a couple balls that could have been caught..one he shorted armed a bit trying to get cute on the throw and the first pass the runningback just flat out didn't catch the ball. This is clearly vindication that Mallett sucks balls and must be cut immediately.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 10, 2017, 09:41:56 PM
Brandon Allen had a nice 42-yard TD throw in his game as the 3rd stringer. 5/7 for the night.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 10, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
Cody Hollister had 7 catches for 116 yards. Why wasn't this guy kicking field goals for us?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on August 10, 2017, 09:45:47 PM
WTF?  Just no.  The expectation goalposts certainly have been moved since the days of us screaming about him falling in the draft.  Mallett eeking out roster spots every year should not be some validation of his NFL success.  Franchise arm, practice squad brains.  If he's laughing his way to a pension then that is a good indicator of why he's a bust to me.

He's not a star, but neither are the other 1695 guys battling for NFL starter spots.

I don't wanna white knight for the guy, but it seems counterproductive to run a guy down for his (perceived) lack of success.  Especially when he's outperforming most of his peers career-wise.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 10, 2017, 09:55:17 PM
NBC...the terrorist fake news network that wants to see Kaepernick get a shot.

I watched the first series and could have wrote this paragraph, he threw a couple balls that could have been caught..one he shorted armed a bit trying to get cute on the throw and the first pass the runningback just flat out didn't catch the ball. This is clearly vindication that Mallett sucks balls and must be cut immediately.

I agree. Some of these folks are resorting to yellow journalism in their yearning for Kaeperdick.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 10, 2017, 09:55:49 PM
Trubisky actually looks like he might not suck. I mean I know he's playing against scrubs but the Bears might have something here. I know it's the first preseason game and all but dude moves around a little bit...reminds me of Rich Gannon type of player. If he continues to play well it's going to be very hard for the Bears to leave him off the field for Glennon/Dirty Sanchez
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2017, 10:04:53 PM
He's not a star, but neither are the other 1695 guys battling for NFL starter spots.

I don't wanna white knight for the guy, but it seems counterproductive to run a guy down for his (perceived) lack of success.  Especially when he's outperforming most of his peers career-wise.

It would be a decent point if people were laying into a guy that has been putting in work, and generally been a good teammate biding his time as a backup waiting for an opportunity.
Ryan's big opportunity faded with the Texans when he was benched mid-game and pouted on the sideline as his colleague and teammate led them back into the game.
https://twitter.com/NFLonCBS/status/652312383164129280

Throw that on top of the missing meetings and flights and shit and you've got yourself a really easy target to lob blame on when things aren't going well.
The reports of that bad practice and his poor attitude got a lot of run, because it fits in with the narrative that he created for his self.

I will say this. That's not the same Ryan Mallett that we saw in Fayetteville during the entirety of his redshirt year, supporting and encouraging teammates on the sideline, listening in and participating as much as he could in the offense during games for a team that missed out on a bowl game.

He has an elite arm and he has the physical talent to be a starting QB in the NFL. I've yet to see him put it together with any kind of will to succeed at it, though.
That's a problem.

This is most likely his last opportunity to show that he can be more valuable than just a run-of-the-mill backup. I hope he puts it together soon.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 10, 2017, 11:48:45 PM
Mallett has this shot to prove himself a legit 2. Even at the min at 7 years he is too pricey to be a 3.  How a guy can spend those years with Brady and Belichik and go to Houston and prove yourself a lazy, indifferent whiny teammate baffles me.  Draft position means zero once you hit camp, especially New England.  With almost undrafted Brady.  At this point it's all on him.

I would say Scott Bull was probably the next most successful hog QB in the NFL, for a little while.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cobbler on August 11, 2017, 12:47:12 AM
Cody Hollister had 7 catches for 116 yards. Why wasn't this guy kicking field goals for us?

That was his brother, Jacob. Cody has been hurt for a week or so.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 11, 2017, 05:59:00 AM
That was his brother, Jacob. Cody has been hurt for a week or so.

Ok NFL.com had Cody catching those.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 11, 2017, 06:29:49 AM
NBC...the terrorist fake news network that wants to see Kaepernick get a shot.

I watched the first series and could have wrote this paragraph, he threw a couple balls that could have been caught..one he shorted armed a bit trying to get cute on the throw and the first pass the runningback just flat out didn't catch the ball. This is clearly vindication that Mallett sucks balls and must be cut immediately.

3 yards per attempt is fake news?

Even Rick Schaeffer would have trouble spit-shining that turd. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 11, 2017, 08:16:36 AM
Hot take:
I don't give a shit if Kaepernick is on an NFL roster or not.  He seems to be a typical hypocritical hipster douchebag, which last I checked is not a crime (unfortunately).  Running dog fighting rings, driving drunk, selling drugs and beating the shit out of women are in fact crimes, however.  If you aren't screaming for those guys to be blackballed out of the NFL then I don't need to hear your bitching about Kaepernick.  If he can play he deserves a try by some team, much more so than some of the garbage I see teams running out there now.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: USAFHawg on August 11, 2017, 08:37:50 AM
NBC...the terrorist fake news network that wants to see Kaepernick get a shot.

I watched the first series and could have wrote this paragraph, he threw a couple balls that could have been caught..one he shorted armed a bit trying to get cute on the throw and the first pass the runningback just flat out didn't catch the ball. This is clearly vindication that Mallett sucks balls and must be cut immediately.

Running back had the ball go through his hands.
Second pass was dropped by Campanero (he probably hurt himself missing it since he is always injured)
The underthrown ball mentioned would've been called a genius back shoulder throw had Brady or Rogers made the same pass

I stopped watching after that.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 11, 2017, 09:04:38 AM
Word (unconfirmed) out of Miami is that Raekwon McMillan tore his ACL last night.  It was on his first play, on punt coverage.  Didn't even get to take one snap on defense.

We can't have nice things either. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 11, 2017, 09:11:50 AM
I would say Scott Bull was probably the next most successful hog QB in the NFL, for a little while.


Emphasis on "little."

Bull completed 76 of 193 passes in his NFL career, which lasted three seasons. 

1976:  21-48 (43.8%), 252 yds., 2 TD, 4 INT
1977:  7-24 (29.2%), 89 yds., 0 TD, 2 INT
1978:  48-121 (39.7%), 651 yds., 1 TD, 11 INT

 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 11, 2017, 09:19:17 AM

Emphasis on "little."

Bull completed 76 of 193 passes in his NFL career, which lasted three seasons. 

1976:  21-48 (43.8%), 252 yds., 2 TD, 4 INT
1977:  7-24 (29.2%), 89 yds., 0 TD, 2 INT
1978:  48-121 (39.7%), 651 yds., 1 TD, 11 INT

I was in college in 77 and 78 so don't remember those seasons.  1 TD, 11 INTs will run you out of the league quick.  I guess I remember he had a nice Monday night game.  I take that back.  Ferguson.  No one else.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 11, 2017, 09:22:10 AM

Emphasis on "little."

Bull completed 76 of 193 passes in his NFL career, which lasted three seasons. 

1976:  21-48 (43.8%), 252 yds., 2 TD, 4 INT
1977:  7-24 (29.2%), 89 yds., 0 TD, 2 INT
1978:  48-121 (39.7%), 651 yds., 1 TD, 11 INT

Bull played in 36 games over his three seasons with the 49ers.  Interestingly, Clint Stoerner played in only 5 games with the Cowboys over two seasons, but threw more career TD passes than Bull (4 to Bull's 3).

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 11, 2017, 09:25:31 AM
Clint Stoerner is the standard for Razorback NFL QB greatness for me, and I'm almost 40.  Before Ryan Mallett, the last Arkansas QB drafted in ANY round was Kevin Scanlon, a 12th-round pick 37 years ago.

Ouch.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 11, 2017, 09:28:09 AM
Clint Stoerner is the standard for Razorback NFL QB greatness for me, and I'm almost 40.  Before Ryan Mallett, the last Arkansas QB drafted in ANY round was Kevin Scanlon, a 12th-round pick 37 years ago.

Ouch.

The highest-drafted Razorback QB in my lifetime was Matt Jones.

The irony being, of course, that he wasn't being drafted to play QB in the NFL. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 11, 2017, 09:34:28 AM
The highest-drafted Razorback QB in my lifetime was Matt Jones.

The irony being, of course, that he wasn't being drafted to play QB in the NFL.

Yeah, I didn't count him since he was drafted as a WR.

How crazy is that number, though?  Not  a single Hog QB was drafted between 1980-2011, and the guy in 1980 was a 12th rounder.  Joe Ferguson was the last one to be drafted before the 5th round, when he was taken in the 3rd round 44 years ago.  Clint Stoerner is the only one I can even remember off the top of my head taking a snap before Mallett/Wilson/Allen.

Alcorn State has a better pro QB record than us.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 11, 2017, 09:45:09 AM
This had me thinking about how we compare to the rest of the SEC.  Without googling, the QBs taking higher in the draft:

BAMA:  Croyle, McCarron
Auburn:  Campbell, Cam
OM:  Eli
MState: Dak
LSU:  Russell, Mettenberger, Flynn?
TN:  Peyton, Shuler
KY: Couch
Fla:  Matthews, Tebow, Wuerffel
GA: Stafford
Vandy: Cutler
USCe:  ???

So we are right there with the Cocks as far as NFL QBs for a generation.  Wow.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 11, 2017, 09:49:04 AM
Word (unconfirmed) out of Miami is that Raekwon McMillan tore his ACL last night.  It was on his first play, on punt coverage.  Didn't even get to take one snap on defense.

We can't have nice things either.

For all the accolades Morgan has been getting it looks like he didn't record a single stat? Did he play?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 11, 2017, 10:02:23 AM
Yeah, I didn't count him since he was drafted as a WR.

How crazy is that number, though?  Not  a single Hog QB was drafted between 1980-2011, and the guy in 1980 was a 12th rounder.  Joe Ferguson was the last one to be drafted before the 5th round, when he was taken in the 3rd round 44 years ago.  Clint Stoerner is the only one I can even remember off the top of my head taking a snap before Mallett/Wilson/Allen.

Alcorn State has a better pro QB record than us.


During that time, we ran off at least two QBs who went to other schools and then were drafted.

Mike Cherry was with the Hogs from 1993-1994, then transferred to Murray State.  He was taken in the 6th round by the Giants in 1997.

Tarvaris Jackson was a Razorback from 2001-2002, then transferred to Alabama State.  He was taken in the 2nd round by the Vikings in 2006. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 11, 2017, 10:29:52 AM
NBC...the terrorist fake news network that wants to see Kaepernick get a shot.

I watched the first series and could have wrote this paragraph, he threw a couple balls that could have been caught..one he shorted armed a bit trying to get cute on the throw and the first pass the runningback just flat out didn't catch the ball. This is clearly vindication that Mallett sucks balls and must be cut immediately.

I did not watch the game and cannot comment on how he actually performed but I do know that especially in preseason games players are graded more on how they personally do their job rather than the end result.  There are so many players in camp and they want all of them to get playing time which makes it's very hard to get any continuity.  If Mallett throws to a spot where the WR is supposed to be but isn't for some reason he's not graded down for that.  That also works the other way of course.  My point is that fans nor beat writers know the teams playbook well enough to know where every single receiver is supposed to be on every single play. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 11, 2017, 11:05:30 AM
For all the accolades Morgan has been getting it looks like he didn't record a single stat? Did he play?

I didn't watch that much but he was in there blocking during mop-up time.   Unfortunately for him, there is a lot of good competition at wideout.  It would shock me if he doesn't get cut soon.  I mean, I guess unless Cutler falls in love with his fearlessness over the middle.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2017, 11:20:38 AM
This had me thinking about how we compare to the rest of the SEC.  Without googling, the QBs taking higher in the draft:

BAMA:  Croyle, McCarron
Auburn:  Campbell, Cam
OM:  Eli
MState: Dak
LSU:  Russell, Mettenberger, Flynn?
TN:  Peyton, Shuler
KY: Couch
Fla:  Matthews, Tebow, Wuerffel
GA: Stafford
Vandy: Cutler
USCe:  ???

So we are right there with the Cocks as far as NFL QBs for a generation.  Wow.
How can you forget Rex Grossman or Patrick Ramsey?
Also, at UGA, you've got Shockley, Greene and Quincy Carter who were all drafted fairly high I think.
Aaron Murray, Tee Martin, Greg McElroy and Andre Woodson were all mid-to-late round picks.
A handful of SEC QB's just weren't drafted. Lorenzen, Connor Shaw, etc.

SC has had a wasteland of marginal talent with guys like Mitchell and Garcia, etc. but I think a lot of that just goes along with how Spurrier shuffled QBs there like a mad man.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2017, 11:24:19 AM
For all the accolades Morgan has been getting it looks like he didn't record a single stat? Did he play?

I just don't foresee him ever staying healthy enough to compete.

As good as he was, he seemed to just barely get by with a shoulder tied up most of his time here. Just can't compete like that in the NFL unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TWPFKAHDH on August 11, 2017, 11:27:24 AM
Adam Schefter reporting Zeeeek will be suspended 6 games.  Dumbass
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 11, 2017, 11:28:35 AM
For all the accolades Morgan has been getting it looks like he didn't record a single stat? Did he play?

It seemed like his first two years, we would hear all fall about what a stud he was in practice, and then you'd never see him until game 8.  May take the same route at the next level.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 11, 2017, 11:28:43 AM
Adam Schefter reporting Zeeeek will be suspended 6 games.  Dumbass


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2017, 11:34:41 AM
6 games is asinine.

They're referencing the exact same policy that dished out a one game suspension to that damn kicker last year after he had been charged and convicted, I believe.
This smacks of Mara favoritism.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 11, 2017, 11:54:55 AM
Gooddell certainly pissed in Jerry's cheerio's this morning.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 11, 2017, 01:11:46 PM
Smells like someone didn't get an invite to Jerrah's balls out induction party.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 11, 2017, 01:38:35 PM
Just bullshit.  I find woman beating about as horrific a crime as there is, hated the Greg Hardy signing, but in this case there was no arrest, nothing close to an arrest, no history, no nothing.  The league puts together a "panel" of fancy names of which none have a forensic or crime background that go contrary to police investigators.  Typical Gooddell witchhunt designed to cover his ass after bungling these things with Ray Rice and others.

The issue of Giants favoritism in the league office is real and the league needs to move the fucker out of NYC to some place like Des Moines or Wichita.  The lead investigator for the league is a huge Giants fanatic and season ticket holder.

Jerry will plot his revenge.  Here is where Garrett has to prove himself as a coach.  Belichik used, once again, the world is against us path with the Brady suspension to win a Super Bowl.  Garrett needs to do the same.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on August 11, 2017, 01:57:47 PM
the league needs to move the fucker out of NYC to some place like Des Moines or Wichita. 


Ohh, or Little Rock . . .

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 11, 2017, 02:29:44 PM

Ohh, or Little Rock . . .

I thought of that and they'd never do it because they perceive LR as the personal fiefdom of Jerry. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2017, 02:35:38 PM
they'll move the nfl office to St Louis
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2017, 05:27:44 PM
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2016/09/tiffany-thompsons-texts-asking-friends-to-lie-say-ezekiel-elliott-beat-her/7/
The NFL took this evidence along with a private interview with the accuser to come to it's conclusion.


I'll give accusers the benefit of the doubt more often than not, but when multiple people are claiming to have direct knowledge that the accusations are false -- along with text messages from the accuser asking them to lie about what actually happened -- then it's a different story.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2017, 05:38:50 PM
The more I read about this, the more I wonder how Roger Goodell is going to survive this.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 11, 2017, 05:43:31 PM
Have to agree with Texzilla. This is some Bullshit.

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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: papermill on August 11, 2017, 06:11:10 PM
I even hate the Cowboys and I think it smells.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 11, 2017, 07:13:14 PM
Probably about right for an entitled degenerate like Zeke. They're just nipping it in the bud. Cris Carter knows what's up.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 11, 2017, 07:25:29 PM
For my fellow Steeler fans--I no longer have cable, just streaming, but per the gamecast on ESPN:

Dobbs has looked like dog shit but did have a TD pass to Hamilton at the end of the half.
Cobi Hamilton is having a nice game so far with two long receptions, one being for a TD. I really hope he sticks, but the competition at WR is fierce.
TJ Watt already has 2 sacks and 3 QB hits total.
Knile has 15 yards on 4 attempts.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 11, 2017, 07:40:43 PM
For my fellow Steeler fans--I no longer have cable, just streaming, but per the gamecast on ESPN:

Dobbs has looked like dog shit but did have a TD pass to Hamilton at the end of the half.
Cobi Hamilton is having a nice game so far with two long receptions, one being for a TD. I really hope he sticks, but the competition at WR is fierce.
TJ Watt already has 2 sacks and 3 QB hits total.
Knile has 15 yards on 4 attempts.

Spot on.  Not impressed with Dobbs.  He did have a long run reminiscent of what he did at Tennessee.  Hamilton and Watt were the highpoint for the Steelers.  Fortunate to have the lead at halftime.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 11, 2017, 07:50:26 PM
Huh. They're having Cobi return kickoffs vs. Knile which is the reason Knile was brought in.  ???
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 11, 2017, 08:06:50 PM
Huh. They're having Cobi return kickoffs vs. Knile which is the reason Knile was brought in.  ???

I'm afraid the Sins of Bobby will last generations.  :stache:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 11, 2017, 08:23:40 PM
I'm afraid the Sins of Bobby will last generations.  :stache:

Knile was the featured back that drive, so I think that's why it was that way.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 11, 2017, 08:23:55 PM
Unbeatable.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 11, 2017, 08:35:55 PM
Knile was the featured back that drive, so I think that's why it was that way.

Just presenting "alternative facts" for those so inclined.  :stache:
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 11, 2017, 08:36:55 PM
Evan Ingram looks like a South Park character. Or like a photograph that's had water sitting on it.  His face is all akimbo.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 11, 2017, 08:38:38 PM
Knile ended up with 8 carries for 34 yards. 1 KO return for a measly 15 yards.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2017, 09:59:50 PM
Probably about right for an entitled degenerate like Zeke. They're just nipping it in the bud. Cris Carter knows what's up.

Serious question here.
Why is Gronkowski's partying glorified?
There are obviously some subtleties at play here, but it's pretty wild to see how fine a line is drawn between acceptable behavior and unacceptable behavior.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 11, 2017, 10:19:34 PM
Serious question here.
Why is Gronkowski's partying glorified?
There are obviously some subtleties at play here, but it's pretty wild to see how fine a line is drawn between acceptable behavior and unacceptable behavior.

People love a grinning jock. It does help to be white and goofy.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 11, 2017, 11:14:13 PM
Serious question here.
Why is Gronkowski's partying glorified?
There are obviously some subtleties at play here, but it's pretty wild to see how fine a line is drawn between acceptable behavior and unacceptable behavior.

Not sure, I've never heard of Gronkowski being violent or a sex offender.

And I'm not so sure Gronkowski's partying is widely glorified. It seems to be big among other like-minded partiers and the liberal media.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on August 12, 2017, 09:03:17 AM
People love a grinning jock. It does help to be white and goofy.

This, but also a bit of this, too:

Not sure, I've never heard of Gronkowski being violent or a sex offender.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 12, 2017, 09:35:58 AM
After the Ray Rice and Josh Brown ineptitude/ Giants knobsucking by Goodell he is going to use his absolute powers to enforce this ruling to show he is a friend to all women and anti DV Warrior regardless of the evidence.  He only loses if there is a perception of leniency towards a D.C. Situation.  Zeke was fucked from the beginning here.  And you are seeing him being praised for standing up for women by the less informed out there.

Zeke needs a wake up call though.  He is a partying knucklehead who needs to grow up.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 12, 2017, 12:52:50 PM
Not sure, I've never heard of Gronkowski being violent or a sex offender.

And I'm not so sure Gronkowski's partying is widely glorified. It seems to be big among other like-minded partiers and the liberal media.
There are subtle differences, sure.
It's treated differently with Gronk, though. There's a "gronk being gronk" schtick that is used with his incidents, while other players get an out-of-control label applied.

I mean, we're talking about the guy who said "screw it, I'm throwing some haymakers" about a brawl at the end of a super bowl.... who goes shirtless and runs up six figure bar tabs.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/05/rob-gronkowski-bodyslam-vegas/1893483/
Plus, we're not far off from pulling-down-a-shirt territory here, and this is one of several similar incidents.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/26/rob-gronkowski-its-motorboat-time-unleashes-on-boobies/

I'm not attempting to trash Gronk, I'm just wondering why his partying and general horseplay in public is laughed at, while it's looked at as a problem for others.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 12, 2017, 01:08:17 PM
There are subtle differences, sure.
It's treated differently with Gronk, though. There's a "gronk being gronk" schtick that is used with his incidents, while other players get an out-of-control label applied.

I mean, we're talking about the guy who said "screw it, I'm throwing some haymakers" about a brawl at the end of a super bowl.... who goes shirtless and runs up six figure bar tabs.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/05/rob-gronkowski-bodyslam-vegas/1893483/
Plus, we're not far off from pulling-down-a-shirt territory here, and this is one of several similar incidents.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/26/rob-gronkowski-its-motorboat-time-unleashes-on-boobies/

I'm not attempting to trash Gronk, I'm just wondering why his partying and general horseplay in public is laughed at, while it's looked at as a problem for others.
 

Wondering my ass. You're fishing for a specific response.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 12, 2017, 01:21:12 PM
I'm not fishing for anything.

Only Gronk gets treated this way, to my knowledge.
Why?

The ol' party problem narrative has completely disappeared with him.
It's a punchline now.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 12, 2017, 01:31:36 PM
I'm not fishing for anything.

Only Gronk gets treated this way, to my knowledge.
Why?

The ol' party problem narrative has completely disappeared with him.
It's a punchline now.
 

In reality, Gronk is perceived as a loveable goofball who is larger than life but pretty much harmless because of his meathead ways. Kind of like how Bert is seen by the people who like him. Gronk is also productive on the field and his team keeps winning SB's which shuts critics down.

I'm sure in your fevered imaginings, it's something more sinister. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 12, 2017, 01:45:38 PM
You're the one fishing for a response here, clearly.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 12, 2017, 02:18:58 PM
You're the one fishing for a response here, clearly.
   

Nice try but you forget that I'm familiar with your work.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 12, 2017, 02:32:23 PM
I seriously have no idea why you're trying to make a battle of this.
Elliott, Manziel, Josh Gordon, countless others are admonished. Legitimate talent or not.
Gronk coasts.
Is it just the Super Bowls? That seems odd.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 12, 2017, 02:37:52 PM
I seriously have no idea why you're trying to make a battle of this.
Elliott, Manziel, Josh Gordon, countless others are admonished. Legitimate talent or not.
Gronk coasts.
Is it just the Super Bowls? That seems odd.
 

You're conveniently dense at times.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 12, 2017, 03:05:58 PM
I seriously have no idea why you're trying to make a battle of this.
Elliott, Manziel, Josh Gordon, countless others are admonished. Legitimate talent or not.
Gronk coasts.
Is it just the Super Bowls? That seems odd.

Has Gronk failed a drug test, beat and/or choke out wimmen folk, been popped for a DUI? I haven't heard anything like that so I don't understand the comparisons you're trying to make.

Lots of NFLers party. Most don't behave like criminals.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on August 12, 2017, 03:24:04 PM
Unbeatable.
Fuckin'A man. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: PorkRyan on August 12, 2017, 05:17:50 PM
Bret Goode signed with Green Bay.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 12, 2017, 06:46:00 PM
Has Gronk failed a drug test, beat and/or choke out wimmen folk, been popped for a DUI? I haven't heard anything like that so I don't understand the comparisons you're trying to make.

Lots of NFLers party. Most don't behave like criminals.

I think the evidence elliot did any wimmen beating is pretty nil, and certainly the police thought the same.
Nothing close to a criminal charge has come from all their investigating.

The real issue for elliot now is regardless of an appeal outcome a second similar charge is a lifetime ban.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: CrocodileHunter on August 12, 2017, 08:14:12 PM
Bret Goode signed with Green Bay.

Don't they cut and re-sign him every year?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 12, 2017, 08:21:31 PM
Michael Rappaport calling out Zeke is pretty funny if you can find it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: big_pig on August 12, 2017, 08:51:32 PM
Really happy with this NY Jets defense.

I hope we can play preseason opponents all season long.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: PorkRyan on August 12, 2017, 09:29:05 PM
Don't they cut and re-sign him every year?

Pretty much but this time he thought it was over.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: papermill on August 12, 2017, 09:44:15 PM
This is going to be a dumb question but why can't you teach a regular lineman or anybody else for that matter long snapping so you can save a roster spot?

There is obviously some kind of skill to it or else New England or somebody smart would do that.

Maybe they would let Gronk do it!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 12, 2017, 09:55:05 PM
The long snapper is usually athletic enough to get down field and cover/tackle...that's not exactly something you want a 300lb lineman having to do. And I reckon maybe the real reason is because special teams guys normally work apart from the rest of the real football players, they don't want to allocate a 300lb rotation player to specialist work.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 12, 2017, 10:06:07 PM
 

You're conveniently dense at times.

I am?
Ben Rothlesburger has been hammered pretty hard for past incidents. He's won SB's.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: PorkRyan on August 12, 2017, 10:24:09 PM
The long snapper is usually athletic enough to get down field and cover/tackle...that's not exactly something you want a 300lb lineman having to do. And I reckon maybe the real reason is because special teams guys normally work apart from the rest of the real football players, they don't want to allocate a 300lb rotation player to specialist work.

His job is to snap the football right to the punter and holder.  Basically, do not fuck up and cost us a game.  There is comfort in having someone on your team who will not fuck up.  When he was trying to break into the league, he got some tryouts from some teams because the snapper fucked up.   He originally got cut from Green Bay because they were afraid of having a rookie at snapper, holder, and punter.  They were afraid of someone fucking up. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 13, 2017, 12:43:35 AM
I am?
Ben Rothlesburger has been hammered pretty hard for past incidents. He's won SB's.
 

Now you're just going full retard for effect.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 13, 2017, 10:07:07 AM
 

Now you're just going full retard for effect.

Look, if you don't want to contribute then don't.
There are plenty of examples of players across the league being treated differently than Gronk.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 13, 2017, 10:47:52 AM
Look, if you don't want to contribute then don't.
There are plenty of examples of players across the league being treated differently than Gronk.

Like the NY Giants receiving corps who were photographed roasting blunts on a yacht during a game week last year?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 13, 2017, 10:57:30 AM
Look, if you don't want to contribute then don't.
There are plenty of examples of players across the league being treated differently than Gronk.

Yeah, but Big Ben? I'm pretty sure there's a very specific reason people give him shit.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 13, 2017, 02:20:37 PM
His job is to snap the football right to the punter and holder.  Basically, do not fuck up and cost us a game.  There is comfort in having someone on your team who will not fuck up.  When he was trying to break into the league, he got some tryouts from some teams because the snapper fucked up.   He originally got cut from Green Bay because they were afraid of having a rookie at snapper, holder, and punter.  They were afraid of someone fucking up.

True all this.  It is a specialist position in the NFL no different than kickers and punters. 

The Cowboys long sanpper, Ladoceur, has been with the team so long I believe he is the last Landry player.  He's steady as a rock.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 13, 2017, 03:22:57 PM
Look, if you don't want to contribute then don't.
There are plenty of examples of players across the league being treated differently than Gronk.
 

When you stop being disingenuous, we can have a discussion. People have given their thoughts on the matter, including myself,  but you seem to still be pondering the matter, which we both know is a sham. Just go ahead at state your opinion on why Gronk gets special treatment. I'll try not to giggle when It's exactly what I thought it would be.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 13, 2017, 04:32:26 PM
 

When you stop being disingenuous, we can have a discussion. People have given their thoughts on the matter, including myself,  but you seem to still be pondering the matter, which we both know is a sham. Just go ahead at state your opinion on why Gronk gets special treatment. I'll try not to giggle when It's exactly what I thought it would be.

Disingenuous, my ass.
You're the one trying to project some sort of baiting tactic on to another person, here.

I'm not sure why Gronk gets the treatment he does. It's why I've posed the question. He's been a media darling for quite a while. I don't get it.
He's played this dumb, crazy jock role and the media eats it up.
When he's shirtless in a casino bar, running up six-figure tabs and shoving his face in the chest of random women, it's zonky page 2 material.
When Manziel entered the league, and even well before that, his partying was in the headlines as a sign of major problems.
People had Zeke Elliott as guilty of KO'ing some DJ at a club before the sun even came up, pondering his punishment by the league as the latest in some string of major incidents...  when in reality, it turned out he had almost nothing to do with it besides being there. Hell, all he had to do was so much as walk through the door of a legal marijuana dispensary and Al Michaels is bringing up his potential drug issues on Sunday Night Football.

There's a double standard used in regards to how Gronk is treated, plain and simple.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 13, 2017, 04:43:18 PM
Oh yeah, Zeke is the real victim in all this while Gronk is a monster. <giggle> Sorry, couldn't help it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 13, 2017, 04:47:46 PM
Except, that's not what I said at all.
It's fine if you disagree.
Enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 13, 2017, 04:51:43 PM
Gronk has the type of personality to get away with things while Johnny Fuckup and Zeke don't.
Life isn't fair, sport.
Take a lap.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 13, 2017, 06:12:28 PM
I don't think Gronk and Zeke's issues are relatable.  I agree that on some behaviors different players are treated differently by the league.  I think in this instance the first player of visibility after Josh Brown to have a DV case was going  to get the opprobrium regardless of proof or not proof.  Article 46 says the league can do what it damn well wishes to do and goodell painted himself into a corner. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Razor B on August 16, 2017, 10:47:48 AM
Gronk motor boating and being an idiot shirtless at casinos isn't going to be treated the same as drug related issues or violence, unless it leads to that.  Right now Gronk is like those youtube kids that jump into piles of gummy bears or fill their pool up with dawn to make the world's largest bubble bath.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on August 16, 2017, 11:31:03 AM
Plenty of people were pissed off at Gronk when he was partying after the Pats lost the Superbowl to the Giants.  Plenty of people have written unflattering articles about his partying EVERY season since he came onto the scene.  People tore him apart for banging a porn star.  The criticism is out there and easy to find.  No one is giving him a pass.  The thing is, he's broken no laws, and by all accounts he's a great teammate and a pro when it comes to work.  I personally fail to see a double standard. 

The issue isn't that certain players get a pass while others get targeted by the league.  The issue is Goodell has no rhyme or reason to his disciplinary actions.  The players aren;t the problem.  The league office and the commish are for not creating specific rules/consequences to avoid the perception of favoritism. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 16, 2017, 12:04:34 PM
If the league needs to be pissed and take action against Gronk for something, it needs to be for the movie American Violence. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 16, 2017, 12:08:40 PM
silly comparison. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 16, 2017, 12:13:37 PM
People tore him apart for banging a porn star. 

Really? He deserves a salute for that.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 16, 2017, 01:57:21 PM
Gronk has the type of personality to get away with things while Johnny Fuckup and Zeke don't.
Life isn't fair, sport.
Take a lap.

Is this where I post the acronym pwnd?

I'm not even sure what that means, but it seems like someone was left in the wind, and someone chummed all the way to this post.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 17, 2017, 01:37:30 PM
Really? He deserves a salute for that.

and a full round of shots.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: goporkyourself on August 17, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
Is this where I post the acronym pwnd?

not an acronym.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Trigger7672 on August 17, 2017, 02:20:32 PM
Jags are on TV tonight, Allen may get some reps with the second team.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 17, 2017, 04:07:35 PM
Jags are on TV tonight, Allen may get some reps with the second team.

DUVAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 17, 2017, 06:51:03 PM
Mallett throws a pick "that's a bad throw"

Tyrod Taylor throws his 2nd pick "he's not getting any protection"
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 17, 2017, 07:07:57 PM
One of Tyrod's strengths is the deep ball. Since they traded Watkins, they've got no real deep threat.
He may have a rough season.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: houstondalenuttindaface on August 17, 2017, 09:27:39 PM
Brandon Allen just led a nice drive for the Jags. He looked way better than Bortles, albeit against the third teamers.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 17, 2017, 09:54:12 PM
That playcalling was dumb.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 17, 2017, 09:58:30 PM
Chris Smith also doing some fine work.  This may turn out well for him. 

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2017/8/12/16137612/former-jaguars-de-chris-smith-shines-bengals-debut

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 17, 2017, 10:21:48 PM
Brandon Allen just led a nice drive for the Jags. He looked way better than Bortles, albeit against the third teamers.

Bortles is a coach killer.  It is obvious he is not capable of operating in the NFL, I wouldnt trust him as a 3rd stringer.  I would run my backup qbs with the first team and see how they do.  Id have Bortles play the scrubs in the 4th quarter and see if he can even play them.  Might get him some film to play in Canada.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 17, 2017, 11:22:25 PM
Bortles is a coach killer.  It is obvious he is not capable of operating in the NFL, I wouldnt trust him as a 3rd stringer.  I would run my backup qbs with the first team and see how they do.  Id have Bortles play the scrubs in the 4th quarter and see if he can even play them.  Might get him some film to play in Canada.

Except teams hold on to their 1st round quarterbacks way past when they need to. 

Sure, they have an investment in them, but there are far too many successful QBs that weren't drafted in the first round to not look at them in the way you stated.  I think Allen will latch on with somebody in the NFL, even if it's just as a backup, due to growing up as a football coach's son.  NFL QB's need it "between the ears" more than they need an NFL arm.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 17, 2017, 11:24:28 PM
That playcalling was dumb.
3rd and 1 from the 2 and you call 2 straight fades? Fade route shouldn't be in any OC playbook unless you have a Randy Moss/Calvin Johnson type WR. Such a low percentage play.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 18, 2017, 12:53:17 AM
You'd think the Jags might consider running Allen out with the first teamers. He's performed better than any QB they have. Bortles isn't progressing at all and they know what they have in Henne. Marrone has said he's open to starting him.

They've got fans clamoring for Kaep and I can't say I blame them. Bortles has been ineffective, plain and simple. It's wild how bad he got after looking pretty good early on in his career.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 18, 2017, 07:04:01 AM
BA looks like to me he can be a game manager if nothing else. Against the 1s he might get his shit packed but he does look like a keeper for continued adult NFL education
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 18, 2017, 07:44:45 AM
BA looks like to me he can be a game manager if nothing else. Against the 1s he might get his shit packed but he does look like a keeper for continued adult NFL education

He might could be the best NFL back-up QB in the history of the program.

You'd think the Jags might consider running Allen out with the first teamers. He's performed better than any WB they have. Bortles isn't progressing at all and they know what they have in Henne. Marrone has said he's open to starting him.

They've got fans clamoring for Kaep and I can't say I blame them. Bortles has been ineffective, plain and simple. It's wild how bad he got after looking pretty good early on in his career.

I drafted Allen Robinson in a Dynasty League a few years ago. I've been patiently holding on to him, but I'm about tired of Bortles' shit. He's killing Arob's value.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on August 18, 2017, 07:57:20 AM
I believed it then and I still believe it. 
Brandon Allen is a good to great QB.  He delivers a good ball at the right spot and moves in the pocket to avoid the rush very well.  He will play at the next level.  His early struggles should be attributed to the fact that he was a Freshman and Sophmore.  I expect him to light up some defenses this year.
I don't think he'll ever be a probowl QB but he can manage an NFL offense.  If Brock Osweiller can be an NFL QB Brandon Allen can be an NFL QB. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 18, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
100% agree.
I think a lot of concern centered around his hand size and height. I feel like his pocket presence overcomes those aspects though. It helps that he's been running a very similar offense under center for longer than Bortles probably has, too.

I don't see how the Jags even keep Bortles around at this point. You look at some of the comments from the coaching staff, it's exasperation. I think they're done with him.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 18, 2017, 05:13:00 PM
I believed it then and I still believe it.  I don't think he'll ever be a probowl QB but he can manage an NFL offense.  If Brock Osweiller can be an NFL QB Brandon Allen can be an NFL QB.

I would think Allen is as talented as Eli Manning. Send it up there...
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 18, 2017, 05:22:38 PM
If BA continues to improve he certainly has a great shot at being a number 2 for a long time.  And that can make for a very fine career and a lot of dough and pension.  So good for him.  Most teams simply want a solid 2 that can manage the scout team (need brains and study habits) and come in for a couple of games for the starter and not fuck it up (good field mastery, toughness, and a real aversion for INTs).  He is expected more to not lose games rather than win them.  I think his prospects for this are excellent, and had he had the same coaching his jr year as his sr he might have been a higher prospect.

The league is full of QBs that came for the dregs of the draft or UDFA-dom.  The issue is getting enough reps to improve, and getting gametime to show off.  And to move up the pecking order usually requires an injury to the number 1, mainly because of cap hit.  This part is in the Jags favor because if they release Bortles its only a $6.5m cap hit.  (If they lost Calais Campbell to a catastrophic injury it would be a $30m hit, Malik Jackson $21.5m)  Brady, Romo, Dak, got their shot from injuries.  I think the last guy to beat out the starter in camp was Russell Wilson, could be wrong.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 18, 2017, 07:09:34 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/time-to-schein-bruce-arians-talks-nfl-qbs/vp-BBEjqmX

Don't know if this is the right one or not but I heard a great interview with Bruce Arians the other day.  Talked about how much more important head strength is than arm strength.  Of course, he's famous for drafting Manning over Leaf.  I guess he went so far as to interview the 7-11 guy near the WSU campus about Leaf.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 18, 2017, 08:55:21 PM
This part is in the Jags favor because if they release Bortles its only a $6.5m cap hit. 

If he doesn't turn it around in a hurry and win that job -- which appears to be pretty unlikely based off coaches comments about their QB situation at this point in the preseason -- I see absolutely zero reason why the Jaguars would keep him around. Especially with BA doing as well as he has in limited reps.

Allen may very well have a much better opportunity in front of him in Jacksonville than we realize.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 18, 2017, 10:42:03 PM
Jags are a shitshow.  Doug Marrone is a douche, and combined with Coughlin it's a real boot camp.  He's got them doing up and downs and players are complaining that this camp will shorten careers. 


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: big_pig on August 19, 2017, 08:00:12 PM
Sam Irwin Hill kicking for the Cowboys.

Blocked of course
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: chittlins on August 20, 2017, 10:13:03 AM
It's like he's some new strain of PC Herpes ad will not go away:

The NAACP called for a boycott of NFL games until Kaepernick gets an equal opportunity at making a roster for the upcoming season.
“There will be no football in the state of Georgia if Colin Kaepernick is not on a training camp roster and given an opportunity to pursue his career,” Gerald Griggs of the Atlanta NAACP told Fox 5.
Riggs warned that if Kaepernick remains unsigned to a deal as of 5 p.m. Sept. 17, “We are going to have the world’s largest tailgate, and that tailgate will not go into Mercedes-Benz Stadium.” (Riggs was referring to the new $1.6 billion home of the NFL’s Atlanta Falcons.)
“We will take a knee, and we will continue to take a knee on the NFL until they act with one voice,” Riggs said.
The threat of a nationwide boycott is meant to send a message to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners of the NFL’s 32 teams, Riggs said.
In New York, Serpico and other current and former NYPD officers wore T-shirts reading “#imwithkap” during a gathering in Brooklyn.
He's trying to hold up this government, up to our founding fathers," said Serpico, 81, who was portrayed by Al Pacino in the 1973 film, “Serpico.”
Sgt. Edwin Raymond spoke of the need for racial healing in the country.
"Until racism in America is no longer taboo, we own up to it, we admit it, we understand it and then we do what we have to do to solve it,” he said. “Unfortunately we're going to have these issues.”
Kaepernick has thrown for 72 touchdowns and more than 12,000 yards across six seasons with the 49ers.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 20, 2017, 10:35:37 AM
It's like he's some new strain of PC Herpes ad will not go away:

The NAACP called for a boycott of NFL games until Kaepernick gets an equal opportunity at making a roster for the upcoming season.
“There will be no football in the state of Georgia if Colin Kaepernick is not on a training camp roster and given an opportunity to pursue his career,” Gerald Griggs of the Atlanta NAACP told Fox 5.
Riggs warned that if Kaepernick remains unsigned to a deal as of 5 p.m. Sept. 17, “We are going to have the world’s largest tailgate, and that tailgate will not go into Mercedes-Benz Stadium.” (Riggs was referring to the new $1.6 billion home of the NFL’s Atlanta Falcons.)
“We will take a knee, and we will continue to take a knee on the NFL until they act with one voice,” Riggs said.
The threat of a nationwide boycott is meant to send a message to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners of the NFL’s 32 teams, Riggs said.
In New York, Serpico and other current and former NYPD officers wore T-shirts reading “#imwithkap” during a gathering in Brooklyn.
He's trying to hold up this government, up to our founding fathers," said Serpico, 81, who was portrayed by Al Pacino in the 1973 film, “Serpico.”
Sgt. Edwin Raymond spoke of the need for racial healing in the country.
"Until racism in America is no longer taboo, we own up to it, we admit it, we understand it and then we do what we have to do to solve it,” he said. “Unfortunately we're going to have these issues.”
Kaepernick has thrown for 72 touchdowns and more than 12,000 yards across six seasons with the 49ers.

What an absolutely futile gesture. They're not going to be able to stop jack shit.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 20, 2017, 12:23:45 PM
Teams will be lining up to sign him now.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on August 20, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
It's like he's some new strain of PC Herpes ad will not go away:

The NAACP called for a boycott of NFL games until Kaepernick gets an equal opportunity at making a roster for the upcoming season.
“There will be no football in the state of Georgia if Colin Kaepernick is not on a training camp roster and given an opportunity to pursue his career,” Gerald Griggs of the Atlanta NAACP told Fox 5.
Riggs warned that if Kaepernick remains unsigned to a deal as of 5 p.m. Sept. 17, “We are going to have the world’s largest tailgate, and that tailgate will not go into Mercedes-Benz Stadium.” (Riggs was referring to the new $1.6 billion home of the NFL’s Atlanta Falcons.)
“We will take a knee, and we will continue to take a knee on the NFL until they act with one voice,” Riggs said.
The threat of a nationwide boycott is meant to send a message to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners of the NFL’s 32 teams, Riggs said.
In New York, Serpico and other current and former NYPD officers wore T-shirts reading “#imwithkap” during a gathering in Brooklyn.
He's trying to hold up this government, up to our founding fathers," said Serpico, 81, who was portrayed by Al Pacino in the 1973 film, “Serpico.”
Sgt. Edwin Raymond spoke of the need for racial healing in the country.
"Until racism in America is no longer taboo, we own up to it, we admit it, we understand it and then we do what we have to do to solve it,” he said. “Unfortunately we're going to have these issues.”
Kaepernick has thrown for 72 touchdowns and more than 12,000 yards across six seasons with the 49ers.

It's not about race.  People in Dallas lined up behind Dak Prescott as starter and Romo being pushed out because nobody gave a shit about race, they saw a kid that was a born leader that outworked and outhustled everybody on the team and was the first to get there and last to leave.  Dak's the kind of guy you see singing the anthem aloud during the pregame, and that endears him more to the fans no doubt.  It's definitely not WHY they love him, they love him because he's a winner.

If Kap had Dak's QB rating, work ethic and leadership skills he would've had a fat contract regardless of his politics.  Instead he's a head case with an overinflated self worth.  He turned down Seattle because their offer was too low.  At this point he can't be picky, sign a one year deal and play hard.

As much as I dislike Art Blank I feel bad for him in this case.  He's got a stellar QB and he's never appeared an iota racist.  Mike Vick thrived there and after that embarrassment I'm sure he's got reservations about another controversial QB n the news all the time in a bad way.  His season ticket holders DGAF what the NAACP says.  If I were the Falcons' players I would come out and condemn this.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 20, 2017, 04:07:40 PM
At the risk of derailing (fuck it, it's August) how is this a case of PC?  Technically, isn't Kaepernick actually the one being non PC by saying things considered "anti-American"?  Wouldn't he be going full PC if he were spewing the usual athlete nonsense instead of taking his stance?  I hate actual PC speak, but a lot of society tends to have a wide definition of it to sort of present themselves as a sort of maverick instead of being a douchebag or worse. 

For the record, I think Kaepernick is a tremendous douchebag hipster who had to understand that he belongs to a private club that doesn't owe him anything.  Also, the NFL is a bunch of hypocritical fucks who gladly accept rapists, women abusers, accessories to murder and dog torturers with no problem.  All this noise is why I mostly just watch the games and haven't tuned into a SportCenter, PTI or Around the Horn in years.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Satch on August 20, 2017, 04:45:23 PM
The NFL teams have a right to hire or not hire whoever they deem best suits their teams' needs.
They could hire me as their starting QB if that's what they choose to do.
They don't hire me because I would be bad for business.  They also don't hire CK, and not because he isn't a better QB than me. 
He totally is a better QB than me.  He's also bad for business, in the same way Ray Rice is bad for business.
A lot of the same people upset about CK would have been furious if Rice had gotten a second chance right away.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 20, 2017, 05:37:19 PM
There are plenty of players who kneeled who are still playing.  Raiders aren't going to cut Lynch.  There are lots of black QBs in this league so this isn't a race issue except from those baiter who call folks like Dak and Russell Wilson Toms.

CK has not worked much on his skills since harbaugh  left.  His style doesn't fit a lot of schemes.  There are also unique qualities teams seek in backup QBs:  cheap, studious, invisible.  CK is none of these.  They don't want a distraction causing problems for the team.  The last thing is the pressure on the starter.  The first lackluster game a starter has and here comes the media screaming for Kap.

What would the media play be if CK had embraced his white side and worn Nazi socks and praised David Duke?


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 20, 2017, 05:43:29 PM
I watched a good portion of the first half of Steelers-Falcons at the gym. Dobbs still looks like shit and the Steelers couldn't sustain a single drive. Knile made a really nice tackle on a punt Otherwise, he's not gotten any opportunities to run the ball or return it. No sign of Cobi, either.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 21, 2017, 07:34:51 AM
Everyone is looking at the A Peterson pick up for the Saints, but Kamara is going to be a star.  It actually looks like a great draft for the Saints so far.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 21, 2017, 09:34:45 AM
I watched a good portion of the first half of Steelers-Falcons at the gym. Dobbs still looks like shit and the Steelers couldn't sustain a single drive. Knile made a really nice tackle on a punt Otherwise, he's not gotten any opportunities to run the ball or return it. No sign of Cobi, either.
I saw Knile return a kickoff for 18 yards after bobbling it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 21, 2017, 09:57:26 AM
 Jags are the new Browns.  Coughlin inexplicably picked up Bortles fifth year option in May, meaning if he gets hurt this season they are on the hook for $19m next year.  How fucking stupid.  But could be good for BA.  Jags might park Bortles like the skins did with RG3 effectively making BA #2.  If they are that confident in him. 




Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 21, 2017, 11:48:27 AM
Jags are the new Browns.  Coughlin inexplicably picked up Bortles fifth year option in May, meaning if he gets hurt this season they are on the hook for $19m next year.  How fucking stupid.  But could be good for BA.  Jags might park Bortles like the skins did with RG3 effectively making BA #2.  If they are that confident in him.
I'll be shocked if Bortles is still on that roster if he doesn't win the starting job...  which he isn't right now.. They'll just eat his guaranteed 3.24 for 2017 and move on.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 21, 2017, 12:43:59 PM
Jags are the new Browns.  Coughlin inexplicably picked up Bortles fifth year option in May, meaning if he gets hurt this season they are on the hook for $19m next year.  How fucking stupid.  But could be good for BA.  Jags might park Bortles like the skins did with RG3 effectively making BA #2.  If they are that confident in him.

Coughlin is not qualified to be making decisions in today's NFL.  He was a horrible hire.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 21, 2017, 01:11:59 PM
Coughlin didn't make personnel decisions in New York.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: hogsfan4life on August 23, 2017, 10:10:34 AM
It's like he's some new strain of PC Herpes ad will not go away:

The NAACP called for a boycott of NFL games until Kaepernick gets an equal opportunity at making a roster for the upcoming season.
“There will be no football in the state of Georgia if Colin Kaepernick is not on a training camp roster and given an opportunity to pursue his career,” Gerald Griggs of the Atlanta NAACP told Fox 5.
Riggs warned that if Kaepernick remains unsigned to a deal as of 5 p.m. Sept. 17, “We are going to have the world’s largest tailgate, and that tailgate will not go into Mercedes-Benz Stadium.” (Riggs was referring to the new $1.6 billion home of the NFL’s Atlanta Falcons.)
“We will take a knee, and we will continue to take a knee on the NFL until they act with one voice,” Riggs said.
The threat of a nationwide boycott is meant to send a message to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners of the NFL’s 32 teams, Riggs said.
In New York, Serpico and other current and former NYPD officers wore T-shirts reading “#imwithkap” during a gathering in Brooklyn.
He's trying to hold up this government, up to our founding fathers," said Serpico, 81, who was portrayed by Al Pacino in the 1973 film, “Serpico.”
Sgt. Edwin Raymond spoke of the need for racial healing in the country.
"Until racism in America is no longer taboo, we own up to it, we admit it, we understand it and then we do what we have to do to solve it,” he said. “Unfortunately we're going to have these issues.”
Kaepernick has thrown for 72 touchdowns and more than 12,000 yards across six seasons with the 49ers.

I say bring on the boycott.  Kneeling outside in Atlanta, in the middle of September, isn't what I would call a well thought out plan. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 23, 2017, 10:07:34 PM
Uhhh...kaepernick opted out of his contract.  Such bullshit. 


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 24, 2017, 09:55:32 AM
This is awesome...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/vikings-invite-actress-olivia-munn-to-games-after-breakup-with-aaron-rodgers/ar-AAqC6Vv?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp




Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 24, 2017, 10:32:57 AM
This is awesome...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/vikings-invite-actress-olivia-munn-to-games-after-breakup-with-aaron-rodgers/ar-AAqC6Vv?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

Yeah, but will the Vikings still be laughing after they get swept?   
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 24, 2017, 02:26:13 PM
I think the Vikes are going to pretty good this season.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 24, 2017, 03:48:40 PM
Good, they can finish 2nd in the division (easily) and hope for a Wildcard slot.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 24, 2017, 05:16:57 PM
Uhhh...kaepernick opted out of his contract.  Such bullshit. 


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This isn't brought up near enough.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: tboned on August 24, 2017, 07:20:40 PM
This isn't brought up near enough.

Where's the outrage?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 24, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
Drew Morgan sighting.  He just ran about 30 yards at near full speed to fair catch a punt.  And he seems to be a passable decoy on pass plays.   But at least he hasn't spit on anyone. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 24, 2017, 09:23:45 PM
Looks like BA's not even going to get in the game at Jacksonville. I hope he finds a way to get on another team. That organization sucks balls.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 24, 2017, 09:39:46 PM
Looks like BA's not even going to get in the game at Jacksonville. I hope he finds a way to get on another team. That organization sucks balls.

3rd string guys don't normally play in the week 3 of the preseason...it's kind of a dress rehersal and only legit players like Blake Bortels and Chad Henne get any run.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 24, 2017, 09:40:32 PM
3rd string guys don't normally play in the week 3 of the preseason...it's kind of a dress rehersal and only legit players like Blake Bortels and Chad Henne get any run.

Laying the sarcasm on pretty heavy there
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 25, 2017, 08:11:08 AM
Looks like BA's not even going to get in the game at Jacksonville. I hope he finds a way to get on another team. That organization sucks balls.

To Animals point, this can play in his favor.  He will likely start next week and get at least a half. I think he has done enough to at least keep his job this season.  The issue here is on Bortles.  This game is likely to define his career; a bad half and he might get cut with Henne starting and BA at 2.  It being Jacksonville, its a complete shitshow from their lunatic owner to Doug Marrone and senile Tom Coughlin.  Whatever the right decision is they will not make it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 25, 2017, 08:53:45 AM
I would bet Allen starts and plays the entire game unless the Jags want to carry the QB competition out. That last preseason game is normally a development game.

I think they'll make the economic decision to cut Bortles and pick up a veteran that may over take Henne. Bortles is probably still the better option but it sounds like they may be ready to move on.

Allen could show that he's an option as the primary backup but I doubt they do that. He will prob go back on the practice squad.

Is Nick Foles on the trading block?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 25, 2017, 09:17:30 AM
I would bet Allen starts and plays the entire game unless the Jags want to carry the QB competition out. That last preseason game is normally a development game.

I think they'll make the economic decision to cut Bortles and pick up a veteran that may over take Henne. Bortles is probably still the better option but it sounds like they may be ready to move on.

Allen could show that he's an option as the primary backup but I doubt they do that. He will prob go back on the practice squad.

Is Nick Foles on the trading block?
 

I thought they had a fourth arm in camp, if so I dont think they'll want to risk Allen playing with scrubs against scrubs fighting for their jobs and film.  If they dont have a fourth QB then hell play the whole game. Unless they want to see if Bortles can play against a bunch of never will bes.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 25, 2017, 11:41:42 AM
If Bortles doesn't win the starting job, they would be morons to keep him on just to be a backup.
It's pretty much Henne or Bortles at this point, and if Henne wins out, they don't seem to have much of an issue with carrying BA as a backup.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on August 26, 2017, 09:22:04 PM
Looks like Knile had a subpar night for the Steelers or the o-line can't block worth a damn. Cobi was targeted three times and has one catch.

And with the Steelers driving towards the end zone for the go-ahead touchdown, Landry Jones does his thing and throws a pick. At least he's consistent.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 26, 2017, 11:05:50 PM
If Bortles doesn't win the starting job, they would be morons to keep him on just to be a backup.
It's pretty much Henne or Bortles at this point, and if Henne wins out, they don't seem to have much of an issue with carrying BA as a backup.

Bottles has evidently"won" the starting job. It's a travesty if yyask me and a matter of money. BA is clearly the most effective QB on that roster
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 26, 2017, 11:06:30 PM
The entire Jags organization is just doing what they have done best for years.

Julian Edelman is out with an ACL
Title: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 27, 2017, 08:00:33 AM
Bortles should go out there and fall down and collect his check for the year.

Hitchens is out for the season, was starting LB for the Cowgirls
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 27, 2017, 08:11:48 AM
Saints defense looking pretty solid.  Lattimore at CB looks like the real deal.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 27, 2017, 09:17:01 AM
Bortles should go out there and fall down and collect his check for the year.

Hitchens is out for the season, was starting LB for the Cowgirls

Cowboys continue to struggle with injuries.  Hitches had greatly improved and was having a fantastic preseason, now likely out for season. 

The mighty OLine is a mess after losing two starters to FA and retirement.  Chaz Green was slated for LG and went down again with an injury last night.  Collins is struggling with move to RT and the backups are marginal.

The secondary has loads of talent but every one is hurt. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 27, 2017, 10:16:26 AM
I know it's preseason but Dak has looked even better.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 27, 2017, 01:48:58 PM
I think Dak is a studious player who will constantly drive to improve.  If the line were intact I think the offense would be a powerhouse.  Ryan switzer, if healthy, really adds a tough equation paired with Beasley in the slots.  Dez is finally healthy.  Witten is really revitalized.  Alfred Morris and DMac are improved at blitz pickup.  That LG slot is the real hole.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 27, 2017, 02:33:55 PM
Spencer Ware reportedly gone for the year...KC will probably need to pick up a guy because I'm not so sure Hunt is ready to carry the load. Would like to see Alex Collins get a shot seeings how the Seahawks appear loaded at RB.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 27, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
Elway has made very few mistakes since he took the team over but I don't think the Broncos are going to be a viable contender this year with Simian and apparently Lynch is just not developing. 

Underwhelming run game and mediocre passing game isn't going to win the new AFC West. 
Title: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 29, 2017, 12:51:28 AM
Lions sign Stafford to extension worth 5 yrs $135million making him highest paid player.  0 playoff wins, but it's Detroit.

$92mil guaranteed.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 29, 2017, 07:41:19 AM
Lions sign Stafford to extension worth 5 yrs $135million making him highest paid player.  0 playoff wins, but it's Detroit.

$92mil guaranteed.

There is 1 Super Bowl ring among the top 5-paid QB's.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 29, 2017, 08:19:53 AM
Cowboys continue to struggle with injuries.  Hitches had greatly improved and was having a fantastic preseason, now likely out for season. 

The mighty OLine is a mess after losing two starters to FA and retirement.  Chaz Green was slated for LG and went down again with an injury last night.  Collins is struggling with move to RT and the backups are marginal.

The secondary has loads of talent but every one is hurt.

Did I dream that I heard a radio report that Hitchens is only out 8 weeks?  No ligament damage, but broken top of the tibia, which many people walking down the street have, but don't realize except their knee always hurts.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Fatty McGee on August 29, 2017, 08:26:18 AM
If Bortles doesn't win the starting job, they would be morons to keep him on just to be a backup.
It's pretty much Henne or Bortles at this point, and if Henne wins out, they don't seem to have much of an issue with carrying BA as a backup.

There are financial issues at play. Just cutting may not affect salary cap favorably enough.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20440273/jacksonville-jaguars-made-mistakes-blake-bortles-headed-bench-no-clear-answers-2017-nfl
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 29, 2017, 09:25:40 AM
Yes, and that's been discussed some, but Bortles won the job so it's not happening.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 29, 2017, 09:36:27 AM
Stafford is worth the money.  Detroit hasn't had a franchise QB since before most of you were born... yeah, even old ass Woopiggers.

It's been THAT long.

Colin K may actually be in play again in the Denver QB soap opera, I have read.  I'm not sure this guy is actually anyone's answer at QB but it's starting to look pretty dire in Denver when you know your in your window of opportunity phase like the Bears were while trying to get to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 29, 2017, 09:37:33 AM
Rex Grossman loves America, tho.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 29, 2017, 09:47:10 AM
I remember being very impressed with Kapernick back when  he finished his college career.  I saw him in that Super Bowl and though he was a rising star.

Since then, long before this dopey flag issue, it's been a slow fade.  I'm not sure what to make of the guy, as an NFL QB.  This whole flag stuff is fluff for the easily manipulated, on both "sides". 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 29, 2017, 09:49:27 AM
I remember being very impressed with Kapernick back when  he finished his college career.  I saw him in that Super Bowl and though he was a rising star.

Since then, long before this dopey flag issue, it's been a slow fade.  I'm not sure what to make of the guy, as an NFL QB.  This whole flag stuff is fluff for the easily manipulated, on both "sides".
that 49ers org, as a whole, has been shit since that Super Bowl
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 29, 2017, 10:05:24 AM
Yeah, I get that Harbaugh is a dick and all.... but again, it's PRO football.  Let's not get bogged down with the obvious Petrino/Hogs discussion here.


As a Bronco fan, I'm okay with Kapernick if Elway truly thinks he can deliver and he comes with an incentive heavy contract.   I'm not quite ready to thrown the towel in on Lynch yet but I'm pretty close with almost everyone in the offensive backfield. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 29, 2017, 10:16:39 AM
I remember being very impressed with Kapernick back when  he finished his college career.  I saw him in that Super Bowl and though he was a rising star.

Since then, long before this dopey flag issue, it's been a slow fade.  I'm not sure what to make of the guy, as an NFL QB.  This whole flag stuff is fluff for the easily manipulated, on both "sides".

About the time Kaepernick took over at SF, there was a big push in the league to look at athletic type qb's and adjusting the offenses.  Cam Newton and Russell Wilson are kind of exceptions to the rule, but the NFL defenses are so much faster that this offense doesn't translate well from college.  Even Carolina and Seattle have realized this, and the offenses are not featuring the read zone play as much, to keep the qb's healthy.  Kaepernick was/is not as talented with his passing as Newton and Wilson.  The kneeling thing is a problem, but if he could consistently move the offense, he would be employed. 

Once again, he had a job at SF.  He chose to be released, so he could go make more money.  He or his agent is a complete imbecile to think he would be snatched up.  He was smart enough to announce right after his release his protest was over.  Had he really had a brain, and knowing he was going to ask for his release, he would have made a big deal about week 13 of last season about how his protest had caused the conversation to start, and he was now going to stand for the NA, and he loved America, etc., and even with his lack of talent he would have been snatched up to be a backup qb and publicity grabber for the team.  I guess his camp missed the part where all the surveys were showing decline in attendance and viewing, and 100% of the reason was him.

Protest is all good and fine, but with it comes counter-protest.  Always has, and always will.  I've had arguments with supporters who say he was only protesting the lyrics from the 2nd (or 3rd) verse.  That's good and fine, but that's not what he has said (maybe he added that).  The same friends point out that all the owners are white.  Who passed a law banning people of color from buying a franchise? 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 29, 2017, 10:18:50 AM
Yeah, I get that Harbaugh is a dick and all.... but again, it's PRO football.  Let's not get bogged down with the obvious Petrino/Hogs discussion here.


His last season 49ers were 8-8.  He is a very good coach but think his BS probably gets old after a while and players start to tune him out.  That's why he's probably a much better fit in college.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 29, 2017, 11:16:01 AM
Yeah, which is the same thing I think you can say about Petrino and Saban.  Coughlin somehow won 2 Super Bowls with teams that seemed to hate him. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 29, 2017, 11:56:14 AM
Stafford is worth the money.  Detroit hasn't had a franchise QB since before most of you were born... yeah, even old ass Woopiggers.

It's been THAT long.

Colin K may actually be in play again in the Denver QB soap opera, I have read.  I'm not sure this guy is actually anyone's answer at QB but it's starting to look pretty dire in Denver when you know your in your window of opportunity phase like the Bears were while trying to get to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman.

I agree the Lions have sucked at QB since Bobby Layne left.  So much wasted talent through the years.  And Om not saying they shouldn't have signed him but it looks like they jumped to hand him extra money.

I think though its another wasteful expenditure of money by the Lions.  Carr got $25 mil a year a few weeks ago.  Is this guy worth a 10% premium in basically the same cycle?  An extra $2 mil of cap can come real handy when trying to find a replacement tackle when a lineman goes down. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 29, 2017, 12:03:00 PM
these teams have to have some sort of plan at quarterback
for all the moaning over these deals that some are getting, has anyone thought to look around at what else is out there?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on August 29, 2017, 12:04:51 PM
stafford is a top tier qb.
they can't put a decent ol in front of him to save their life, and his two starting receivers and te had a whopping 9 tds total between them. the lions would be complete shit without him.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 29, 2017, 01:30:02 PM
you get paid just exactly what the market will bear.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 29, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
You can't compete in the NFL without a franchise QB... you just can't. 

The Chiefs are a great QB away from a trophy.  Without Rodgers or Stafford, I can't imagine how bad the NFC North would be. 

Even a great defense like the Broncos of two years ago had to eventually rely on old ass, worn out and beaten up Peyton Manning to come in and calm a shaky offense down and audible to a bunch of run plays to get to the playoffs and eventually win a Super Bowl.  The Ravens had an all world D... but they still needed Joe Flacco to throw the ball a million yards up in the sky to get to a Super Bowl. 

When you think you may have a franchise QB, you just suck it up and pay whatever the new rate is.  At the very least, he'll sell you a ton of jerseys. 

I'm not sure why the Bills are gambling with Tyrod Taylor, honestly.  They haven't been good enough at QB for decades now to be disrespecting a possible starting QB. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 29, 2017, 02:42:48 PM
You can't compete in the NFL without a franchise QB... you just can't. 

The Chiefs are a great QB away from a trophy.  Without Rodgers or Stafford, I can't imagine how bad the NFC North would be. 

Even a great defense like the Broncos of two years ago had to eventually rely on old ass, worn out and beaten up Peyton Manning to come in and calm a shaky offense down and audible to a bunch of run plays to get to the playoffs and eventually win a Super Bowl.  The Ravens had an all world D... but they still needed Joe Flacco to throw the ball a million yards up in the sky to get to a Super Bowl. 

When you think you may have a franchise QB, you just suck it up and pay whatever the new rate is.  At the very least, he'll sell you a ton of jerseys. 

I'm not sure why the Bills are gambling with Tyrod Taylor, honestly.  They haven't been good enough at QB for decades now to be disrespecting a possible starting QB.

the Denver offense worked better under Osweiler.     
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 29, 2017, 02:48:55 PM
It did... but he melted down and Peyton, who I've never been a huge fan, absolutely came in and stabilized it all that day.  He got carried, mostly, to his Lombardi trophy that year but he earned his ring in that game, just like Bledsoe earned his in the playoffs that final year for him with the Pats when Brady went down for a minute. 

I kind of wished Elway hadn't let Osweiler walk that easily but the stupidity of all of it is as much on Brock as on anyone - he could have been a Super Bowl winning QB by now instead of a chump.  Whatever. 

I've always trusted Elway but damn, he sure has demonstrated a lot of patience with our tailbacks and quarterbacks for being a guy who watched T Davis close up and played at the level he played at. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 29, 2017, 02:53:35 PM
It did... but he melted down and Peyton, who I've never been a huge fan, absolutely came in and stabilized it all that day.  He got carried, mostly, to his Lombardi trophy that year but he earned his ring in that game, just like Bledsoe earned his in the playoffs that final year for him with the Pats when Brady went down for a minute. 

I kind of wished Elway hadn't let Osweiler walk that easily but the stupidity of all of it is as much on Brock as on anyone - he could have been a Super Bowl winning QB by now instead of a chump.  Whatever. 

I've always trusted Elway but damn, he sure has demonstrated a lot of patience with our tailbacks and quarterbacks for being a guy who watched T Davis close up and played at the level he played at.

Osweiler is the poster child of someone they are a lot better than they actually are.  Got his feelings hurt and chased a little more money.  At least he's still getting paid.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 29, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
Osweiler = Matt Flynn = Matt Cassell

they are products of other teams' inabilities to properly scout.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 29, 2017, 03:14:45 PM
stafford is a top tier qb.
they can't put a decent ol in front of him to save their life, and his two starting receivers and te had a whopping 9 tds total between them. the lions would be complete shit without him.

Exactly.  This is the conundrum for teams, and I'm not saying the Lions should have stonewalled him just that they might could have signed him at 25.5 or 26 million. 

Cowboys will get the benefit of Dak's cheap contract next season when Romos dead money falls off.  They will be like Seahawks with Wilsons first contract.

OBJ wanting to be the highest paid player is ridiculous.  QBs touch the ball every play.  With cap teams have to pick their poison when they carry big contracts, and they better hope he doesn't get hurt; that would be lots of dead money.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DrMongoose on August 29, 2017, 10:05:19 PM
Lions sign Stafford to extension worth 5 yrs $135million making him highest paid player.  0 playoff wins, but it's Detroit.

$92mil guaranteed.

Why? Where was he going to go?
Now they won't have any money to pay a decent o-line (sorry Travis).
Just when you thought the Lions were going to quit making stupid decisions.....
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 29, 2017, 10:27:44 PM
wait

Who do you think they were going to go with as their QB if not Stafford?
It's not just about having him under contract right now. How are they going to answer to potential free agents/coaches/draft picks/who ever when asked about their long-term plan at QB if they don't extend him as their QB?

The market has already shown what a valuable QB is worth to these teams. That's the price.
People can trash the Lions all they want, but Stafford has been, and will continue to be, really good for them.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Snorts on August 30, 2017, 07:10:09 AM
Stafford is worth the money.  Detroit hasn't had a franchise QB since before most of you were born... yeah, even old ass Woopiggers.

It's been THAT long.


Wrong.  Bobby Layne.

BUT, he was their QB before I discovered the NFL.  If we are just including post-enlightenment, you are correct, Sir.  From 1961 on they have generally lacked in the QB department.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 30, 2017, 08:08:07 AM
Look Snorts, you are older than fuck.  Only YOU and like 9 people on here probably remember the Lions not being a black hole at QB... and that's the thing, you don't even remember this Bobby Layne guy.  The last time the Lions had a franchise QB, like fucking Eisenhower was president or something. 

Do you guys think any big time QB that hits free agency, like that ever happens, was going to willingly GO to Detroit?  The Lions got lucky that they even got Stafford up there.  You pay him the money, whatever it is, just like the Broncos had to pay Von whatever he wanted. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: USAFHawg on August 30, 2017, 10:20:36 AM
Look Snorts, you are older than fuck.  Only YOU and like 9 people on here probably remember the Lions not being a black hole at QB... and that's the thing, you don't even remember this Bobby Layne guy.  The last time the Lions had a franchise QB, like fucking Eisenhower was president or something. 

Do you guys think any big time QB that hits free agency, like that ever happens, was going to willingly GO to Detroit?  The Lions got lucky that they even got Stafford up there.  You pay him the money, whatever it is, just like the Broncos had to pay Von whatever he wanted.

Does Scott Mitchell not count? He was so big they put him on Biggest Loser.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on August 30, 2017, 10:36:09 AM
crazy stat.
only three current qbs under the age of 32 have won a playoff game - wilson, cam, and luck. if you have a good qb you pay him, especially if your team is getting $337 million a year by just being a member of the nfl.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 30, 2017, 10:44:31 AM
Eric Kramer doesn't count?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 30, 2017, 11:13:04 AM

OBJ wanting to be the highest paid player is ridiculous.  QBs touch the ball every play.  With cap teams have to pick their poison when they carry big contracts, and they better hope he doesn't get hurt; that would be lots of dead money.

Le'veon Bell has said the same thing about being the league's highest paid player.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 30, 2017, 04:32:21 PM
Eric Kramer doesn't count?

Let's head off this discussion right now. 

I know it's a shot in the dark. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: BASS on August 30, 2017, 04:37:57 PM
Let's head off this discussion right now. 

I know it's a shot in the dark.

one step ahead of you...
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 30, 2017, 04:54:37 PM
crazy stat.
only three current qbs under the age of 32 have won a playoff game - wilson, cam, and luck. if you have a good qb you pay him, especially if your team is getting $337 million a year by just being a member of the nfl.

What the team gets in rev share has zero to do with anything.  The players get 48.5% of the revenue.

The issue of yuge QB contracts is the salary cap.  Nothing else.  How does one contract impact the rest of the team?  Saints have been stripped by Bree's big deal. 



Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on August 30, 2017, 05:53:54 PM
Let's head off this discussion right now. 

I know it's a shot in the dark.

It all came to a head but he's better now.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 30, 2017, 08:49:08 PM
The issue of yuge QB contracts is the salary cap.  Nothing else.  How does one contract impact the rest of the team?  Saints have been stripped by Bree's big deal.
Where are the Saints at without Drew Brees?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 30, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Where are the Saints at without Drew Brees?

Nowhere.  That is the conundrum GMs face.  You have to have a QB, and they are eating more cap % each year.

If Stafford got $27m then Rodgers might be getting $30.  Not many are as team minded as Brady. 

The only way to game the system is to  luck into a low draft pick that can play like Dak or Russell Wilson.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 30, 2017, 09:40:30 PM
Ah, we're essentially agreeing.

QB's are more valuable than ever. Without a historically dominating defense and a ton of luck, you're going nowhere without one.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on August 30, 2017, 10:21:34 PM
I only use Brees as an example of how a big contract, poorly structured, can really screw up a team.  A dollar aint a dollar, and a good GM can reduce the impact of big contracts through smart structuring.  Cowboys went through the same thing until Stephen Jones and Will McClay started running personnel; they finally got the team back to building a team instead of buying one. Once Romo falls off the dead money list after this season they will have another couple of years with Dak's cheap contract. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: CrocodileHunter on August 30, 2017, 10:27:43 PM

Not many are as team minded as Brady. 


Not many have a wife that earns $30 million a year either.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on August 30, 2017, 10:44:15 PM
Not many have a wife that earns $30 million a year either.

true but even with all the deferred salary he's still made the 2nd most money of any current qb.
eli manning of all people has made the most.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 30, 2017, 10:47:53 PM
that's the thing... Guys like Brady and Manning are unusual in that regard. Most NFL players have to be smart enough to take the money when they can get it
Very few of them get multiple opportunities at big contracts.
Window of opportunity is very small for most of them.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 30, 2017, 11:25:54 PM
Does Scott Mitchell not count? He was so big they put him on Biggest Loser.
I thought that was just because he was a Lions QB..
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Snorts on August 31, 2017, 06:24:08 PM
Look Snorts, you are older than fuck.  Only YOU and like 9 people on here probably remember the Lions not being a black hole at QB... and that's the thing, you don't even remember this Bobby Layne guy.  The last time the Lions had a franchise QB, like fucking Eisenhower was president or something. 

I actually do remember Bobby Layne as the QB for the Steelers at the end of his career.  Know why?  He was the only guy in the NFL without a face mask.  Crazy bastard.

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 31, 2017, 11:32:19 PM

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/collegefootballmania/images/c/c1/Bobby_Layne-Steelers_Vs._Giants.jpg)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on September 01, 2017, 12:50:30 AM
Look Snorts, you are older than fuck.  Only YOU and like 9 people on here probably remember the Lions not being a black hole at QB...

FU....I mean that in the nicest way....
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 01, 2017, 08:06:44 AM
The Jets have a safety named Armageddon Draughn.  Should make the team just with the name.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on September 01, 2017, 08:52:20 AM
The Jets have a safety named Armageddon Draughn.  Should make the team just with the name.


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He has a twin sister named Ima Gettin...she is a bit of a Francophile.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Snorts on September 01, 2017, 09:28:01 AM
In keeping up with the old fart reminisce thing I've got going...the first Lion's QB I can remember was Milt Plum.  He was the guy that threw the late INT that allowed GB to kick a late FG and win the famous "Run To Daylight" game 9-7.  Detroit had it won, just had to run out the clock late when Plum decided to throw one.  QBs mostly called their own plays in those days.  Lombardi wrote about it in the book by the same name.

The game was played in 1962, the first of two.  Detroit had an outstanding, near-great team.  They blew that first GB game, then absolutely whipped their ass in an infamous Thanksgiving Day game later in the year.  If Plum hadn't thrown the INT Detroit would have won the Conference that year, despite a loss to San Fran I believe.  They'd have swept the Packers and won by a game.  The great 1962 Packers team of one loss would be a footnote, and their run of championships would be 4 instead of 5.

Apparently Detroit's great DT Alex Karras threw his helmet at Plum in the locker room and had to be restrained by teammates after the gaffe.

In "Mad Ducks and Bears", a book about the 60's Lions by George Plimpton, Karras says that Plum was doomed by his pansy name.  No QB could be a tough, gritty competitor with that name.  According to Karras, if he had been named Jack Kong Plum things would have been different for him.

I recommend both the above books as highly as I can to anyone interested in the 60's NFL.  "Mad Ducks and Bears" by Plimpton and "Run To Daylight" by Lombardi.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 01, 2017, 10:36:22 AM


Ezekiel Elliott and the NFLPA filed suit in federal court in Texas this morning to block Elliott's suspension.

Ezekiel Elliott sues the NFL, claims a 'conspiracy' to 'hide critical information' (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ezekiel-elliott-sues-the-nfl-claims-a-conspiracy-to-hide-critical-information/)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on September 01, 2017, 10:52:11 AM

Ezekiel Elliott and the NFLPA filed suit in federal court in Texas this morning to block Elliott's suspension.

Ezekiel Elliott sues the NFL, claims a 'conspiracy' to 'hide critical information' (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ezekiel-elliott-sues-the-nfl-claims-a-conspiracy-to-hide-critical-information/)
If this is true it's fucking crazy.  The VP of investigations suppressed evidence from the lead investigator and pretty much lied to Goddell. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 01, 2017, 12:26:54 PM
His last season 49ers were 8-8.  He is a very good coach but think his BS probably gets old after a while and players start to tune him out.  That's why he's probably a much better fit in college.

That's not bad. Most if not all of the really good pro coaches who didn't have Brady or Manning have gone 8-8.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on September 01, 2017, 12:59:24 PM
That's not bad. Most if not all of the really good pro coaches who didn't have Brady or Manning have gone 8-8.

Sure.  Joe Philbin did it 2 out of 3 seasons!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 01, 2017, 01:47:20 PM
Sure.  Joe Philbin did it 2 out of 3 seasons!

Winning less than 10 games:

Jimmy Johnson won 9 or less 5 times in 9 seasons.
Don Shula - 7 times in his last 10 seasons
Chuck Knoll - 11 times in his last 12 seasons
Bill Cowher - 5 times in his last 9 seasons
Tom Coughlin - 8 times in his 12 seasons with the Giants
Andy Reid (one of the best) - only 7 times in 18 seasons
Jason Garrett - 4 for 6
Dennis Green - 8 for 13
Saban - 2 for 2
Gruden - 7 for 11

Harbaugh - 1 for 4


Fun exercise, but it looks like Bill Walsh might be the best in modern times, AND retired early enough to stay the best.  Belichek and Dungy also right there.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on September 01, 2017, 02:00:28 PM
Winning less than 10 games:

Jimmy Johnson won 9 or less 5 times in 9 seasons.
Don Shula - 7 times in his last 10 seasons
Chuck Knoll - 11 times in his last 12 seasons
Bill Cowher - 5 times in his last 9 seasons
Tom Coughlin - 8 times in his 12 seasons with the Giants
Andy Reid (one of the best) - only 7 times in 18 seasons
Jason Garrett - 4 for 6
Dennis Green - 8 for 13
Saban - 2 for 2
Gruden - 7 for 11

Harbaugh - 1 for 4


Fun exercise, but it looks like Bill Walsh might be the best in modern times, AND retired early enough to stay the best.  Belichek and Dungy also right there.

Wow, I don't believe it.




You actually looked for facts for a change.  Of course, once again you moved the goalposts, to 9 wins rather than 8.

It would be interesting to see trends of all those guys.  At least a couple (Noll and Shula) hung on well past their prime.  And of course Jimmy took his semi-retirement on the beach, so not sure what true evidence that is.  And he got the Dolphins to the playoffs twice with 9 wins.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: goporkyourself on September 01, 2017, 02:45:03 PM
today i learned that Bill Walsh, the hoodie, and payton manning's clipboard holder are great football coaches. thanks woopig!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tonic on September 01, 2017, 03:07:22 PM
Brandon Allen played the whole game last night. Threw 1 td and 3 ints, 2 ints were in the end zone.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: geohul on September 01, 2017, 03:17:43 PM
Brandon Allen played the whole game last night. Threw 1 td and 3 ints, 2 ints were in the end zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFEQrWAFKOQ
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: SpiderHam on September 01, 2017, 05:22:37 PM
Zach Hocker cut by the Bucs. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 01, 2017, 06:05:03 PM
Wow, I don't believe it.




You actually looked for facts for a change.  Of course, once again you moved the goalposts, to 9 wins rather than 8.

It would be interesting to see trends of all those guys.  At least a couple (Noll and Shula) hung on well past their prime.  And of course Jimmy took his semi-retirement on the beach, so not sure what true evidence that is.  And he got the Dolphins to the playoffs twice with 9 wins.

Just easier to look for non double-digit wins.  Really, all it shows is that it's hard to distinguish between which has more impact on a team, a great QB or a great coach.  But when you pair the two, you're going to be successful.  You may still not win 10 every year, based on the QB's or coach's season, though.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 02, 2017, 09:25:08 AM
Zekes defense team has released transcripts and docs and they are posted on the interwebs.

He was living a Penthouse letter with this girl at Ohio State.  He admits under oath to cocaine, xanax, heavy partying, and rough sex. 

Cowboys have joined the lawsuit against the league.  It's obvious Goodell was going to hammer his policy to repair his image regardless of evidence.

Hopefully Zekes testimony brings down urban Meyer.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on September 02, 2017, 09:52:03 AM
Cobi and Knile both cut from the Steelers. That sucks.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on September 02, 2017, 10:34:27 AM

He was living a Penthouse letter with this girl at Ohio State.  He admits under oath to cocaine, xanax, heavy partying, and rough sex. 



Kinda really jealous.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 02, 2017, 10:42:50 AM
Cobi and Knile both cut from the Steelers. That sucks.

Knife is running out of time. It Coby should find a place.  A lot of teams have issues in that 4 and 5 WR.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on September 02, 2017, 10:42:59 AM
Kinda really jealous.
Think how hard that would be to give up.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on September 02, 2017, 11:55:19 AM
Knife is running out of time. It Coby should find a place.  A lot of teams have issues in that 4 and 5 WR.

He hasn't caught a lot of passes for Pittsburgh, but it seems like he's come up with a big catch on every important third or fourth down since about 2/3 of the way through last season. I'd have to think somebody in the league could use that.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 02, 2017, 12:34:24 PM
He hasn't caught a lot of passes for Pittsburgh, but it seems like he's come up with a big catch on every important third or fourth down since about 2/3 of the way through last season. I'd have to think somebody in the league could use that.

I thought he did ok in the highlights I saw.  Usually for these second tier guys it comes down to something besides the pass catching, either blocking or special teams contributions.  Im not close enough to the Steelers to know that part of it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on September 02, 2017, 12:39:03 PM
Alex Collins is getting cut by Seattle. Sucks for him, but I have to think he catches on somewhere.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on September 02, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
not fumbling is the one thing a running back has to do. unfortunately collins hasn't learned that.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on September 02, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
not fumbling is the one thing a running back has to do. unfortunately collins hasn't learned that.

Maybe we should be #FumbleU
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on September 02, 2017, 02:48:29 PM
I just don't think Collins has the speed to be an NFL back.  He lumbers along and he's not really all world powerful to go with any of that.   

Cobi ought to be able to catch on somewhere but the league is full of wide receivers. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: CrocodileHunter on September 02, 2017, 03:40:02 PM
Dolphins cut Drew Morgan (probably will stay on practice squad)
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on September 02, 2017, 03:52:40 PM
jaguars cut henne.

skipper, irwin-hill, and hearndon cut by cowboys.

edit: henne being released not confirmed.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 02, 2017, 04:06:34 PM
not fumbling is the one thing a running back has to do. unfortunately collins hasn't learned that.

JFB could take a fumbling RB and have them spend a week with Bill Burnett and they'd quit fumbling.  Its just not tolerated in the NFL.

Skipper might end up on the practice squad.  Its too bad with his height he wasn't moved to DE long ago. 

Cowboys cut Kellen Moore to go with Cooper Rush at QB2. 

Osweiler cut by Browns eating $16m against cap.  He's not stupid; I'd love to make $40m by sucking at my job.  They couldn't trade him even eating the salary. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 02, 2017, 04:10:08 PM
Skipper isn't athletic enough to play DE.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 02, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
Skipper isn't athletic enough to play DE.
Or OG either. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on September 03, 2017, 01:37:43 PM
Jonathan Williams cut by the Bills. Hate it for him.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on September 03, 2017, 01:55:58 PM
brandon allen waived.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on September 03, 2017, 02:53:51 PM
brandon allen waived.

Jacksonville's a fucking joke of an organization. Hope he catches on somewhere else.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on September 03, 2017, 04:09:47 PM
Holy shit so many Hogs gone.  Most surprised about Hamilton.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 03, 2017, 05:04:43 PM
Jacksonville's a fucking joke of an organization. Hope he catches on somewhere else.
If no one picks him up they'll put him on practice squad.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on September 03, 2017, 07:16:35 PM
MadDog Sports on SXM was giving JWill some love. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on September 03, 2017, 10:33:02 PM
MadDog Sports on SXM was giving JWill some love.

Biils fans on his Twitter feed were pissed and wishing him well. They were all trashing the organization.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 04, 2017, 08:43:56 AM
The Bills suffer from having shitty owners who are more interested in real estate for a new stadium than the team.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on September 04, 2017, 09:05:28 AM
The Bills are kind of s stupid organization.

I don't know why they don't just commit to Tyrod.   They seem to be under the impression that possible franchise QBs just fall off trees for the Bills. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 04, 2017, 11:38:45 AM
Skipper makes Cowboys practice squad.

Jags show one slot open and Allen still a free agent.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Turd F. on September 04, 2017, 01:00:20 PM
Skipper makes Cowboys practice squad.

Jags show one slot open and Allen still a free agent.


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I wish Pittsburgh would find a place for him on their practice squad as their backup QB situation is scary. Jones is awful but knows the playbook, I guess, and Dobbs showed nothing during the pre-season. BA could beat him out for the third spot.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 04, 2017, 01:43:19 PM
I wish Pittsburgh would find a place for him on their practice squad as their backup QB situation is scary. Jones is awful but knows the playbook, I guess, and Dobbs showed nothing during the pre-season. BA could beat him out for the third spot.

I cant figure out why Coughlin cut BA other than his general incompetence at personnel.  He stands in the pocket, is smart, works hard, and doesn't generally make mistakes.  He had three picks this week but he was playing with camp bodies.  His film should get him a slot somewhere.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on September 04, 2017, 04:10:14 PM
BA to LA
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on September 04, 2017, 04:57:35 PM
JWill went unclaimed and is now a unrestricted free agent. Twitter comments already saying BA is the best QB on the Rams roster.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 04, 2017, 06:15:31 PM
BA to LA

Remember you have to clarify which shitpile in LA he went to.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Buffinator on September 04, 2017, 07:49:23 PM
Remember you have to clarify which shitpile in LA he went to.

Rams.  But adding that to my previous post would have ruined the flow. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on September 04, 2017, 09:11:09 PM
I'd love for the Broncos to get JWill.  I don't know if he's a super dynamic back but I'm still not sold on any of the Denver backs being playmakers either. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 04, 2017, 10:09:13 PM
So Seattle has $109m tied up in 9 players, leaving $60 for 44 plus practice squad.


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Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 04, 2017, 10:10:56 PM
I'd love for the Broncos to get JWill.  I don't know if he's a super dynamic back but I'm still not sold on any of the Denver backs being playmakers either.


Jamaal Charles looked pretty good in the short time they played him. Of course, he has to stay healthy.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Razor B on September 05, 2017, 12:52:19 AM
Steelers cutting Cobi is mind boggling.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on September 05, 2017, 05:36:22 AM
Steelers cutting Cobi is mind boggling.

How so?  We're deep as shit at WR, and he didn't ever distinguish himself as a consistent target.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on September 05, 2017, 07:59:35 AM
I think WR is the most overvalued position on an NFL roster.

Every team has maybe.... maybe.... one playmaker guy, who's value is already probably over elevated at WR and then a bunch of guys who are all virtually the same and there are dozens of them spread throughout the league and on practice squads. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on September 05, 2017, 09:04:17 AM
I think WR is the most overvalued position on an NFL roster.

Every team has maybe.... maybe.... one playmaker guy, who's value is already probably over elevated at WR and then a bunch of guys who are all virtually the same and there are dozens of them spread throughout the league and on practice squads.

Only because teams spread it around a lot more now. When teams literally only depended on two wide outs, maybe 1 TE...this was more of a thing.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 05, 2017, 09:19:11 AM
BA to LA


Which one?

Edit:  Nevermind, just saw your later post. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 05, 2017, 09:20:30 AM
So Seattle has $109m tied up in 9 players, leaving $60 for 44 plus practice squad.


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That's a surprisingly large number for players for sixty bucks. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 05, 2017, 10:32:36 AM


More Kaepernick fun.

The Martyring of Colin Kaepernick (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/03/colin-kaepernick-nfl-martyr-215572)

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on September 05, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
Denver signed Osweiler back, so I'm guessing our speculation with CK is over. 

I just looked through a list of backup QBs in the NFL.  I didn't even know who a few were.  I'm guessing CKap's price is probably too high for almost everyone.  Dallas must be paying their backup QB in food credits at the concession stand or something. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on September 05, 2017, 10:52:15 AM
Glad Skipper caught on.  I think the plan was pretty much always for him to to the practice squad.  Cowboys are great at using those spots to develop players a year or two away.  I can't believe what they did with Rico Gathers.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on September 05, 2017, 11:18:14 AM
Twitter saying Kellen Moore is still in Dallas and I guess they are going to resign him perhaps after week 1?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on September 05, 2017, 11:20:37 AM
I'm a little surprised JWill is still on the street not sounding like the Bills are putting him on the PS.

To me that guy should be a good special teams guy, can catch, can run...maybe its blitz pickup is an issue.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on September 05, 2017, 11:21:16 AM
I think WR is the most overvalued position on an NFL roster.

Every team has maybe.... maybe.... one playmaker guy, who's value is already probably over elevated at WR and then a bunch of guys who are all virtually the same and there are dozens of them spread throughout the league and on practice squads.

For the first time in my lifetime, the Steelers receiver situation is stupid stacked. We've got the best in the game in Antonio Brown, and a guy who is indefensible in Martavis Bryant (when he isn't suspended). Behind them are three dependable and experienced receivers, plus a first round pick from the draft this year.

I love Cobi, and wish he would have hung on as much as anyone, but we have six legit receivers that are clearly better pro receivers/prospects than he is.

I was sadder to see Knile cut.  We're desperate for someone to take over returns, and he still didn't make it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Razor B on September 05, 2017, 11:33:48 AM
How so?  We're deep as shit at WR, and he didn't ever distinguish himself as a consistent target.

He wasn't going to be a consistent target but I felt like he made some plays when they looked to him last year and in pre season this year.  They had a WR suspended and another one coming back from injury I thought.  I thought they were going to keep one WR.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: lawtiger on September 05, 2017, 11:38:57 AM
Denver signed Osweiler back, so I'm guessing our speculation with CK is over. 

I just looked through a list of backup QBs in the NFL.  I didn't even know who a few were.  I'm guessing CKap's price is probably too high for almost everyone.  Dallas must be paying their backup QB in food credits at the concession stand or something.

The Bills just signed Joe Webb...who hasn't thrown a live pass since 2012.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 05, 2017, 11:40:31 AM
Twitter saying Kellen Moore is still in Dallas and I guess they are going to resign him perhaps after week 1?

Cowboys played a game with the system.  They kept Rush rather than expose him to waivers to get onto PS.  Moore gets released, no one picks him up, and they'll put him in the slot opened when they move Gaithers to IR.  His concussion was more severe than expected; evidently the hit nearly broke his jaw.  Moore is a perfect backup in every way except on the field, evidently hes a great player-coach and Dak really counts on him for counsel, and they expect him to do the same with Rush.  I think Garrett sees a lot of himself in Moore, and I wouldn't doubt that he replaces Wade Wilson as the QB coach when Wilson retires.  The question right now will be whether Rush or Moore is the actual QB2.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on September 05, 2017, 11:40:47 AM
The Bills just signed Joe Webb...who hasn't thrown a live pass since 2012.

Was he the one in Ravens camp?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: VegasHog on September 05, 2017, 04:22:37 PM
jwill to the broncos per a j derby tweet
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 05, 2017, 04:27:00 PM

The arbitrator's ruling on Elliott's suspension is expected by the close of business today.  Meanwhile, the hearing on Elliott's and the NFLPA's injunction request is scheduled to start at 5:00 this afternoon. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Animal on September 05, 2017, 07:46:56 PM
JWill is getting 510k as a PS player which is seen as a lot of money, way north of many development guys. The Bills didn't match. I bet he doesn't stay on the practice squad for long. The Bills fans on Twitter are mainly pissed that they let him go.

I guess if he's claimed off waivers he goes onto the active roster but if he clears he can then be signed to practice squad and more or less protected by the large salary.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on September 05, 2017, 08:27:02 PM
JWill was my sneaky last round sleeper in my deeper fantasy leagues.

Motherfucker was supposed to be #2 three weeks ago, what the fuck happened?
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 05, 2017, 09:49:36 PM
JWill is getting 510k as a PS player which is seen as a lot of money, way north of many development guys. The Bills didn't match. I bet he doesn't stay on the practice squad for long. The Bills fans on Twitter are mainly pissed that they let him go.

I guess if he's claimed off waivers he goes onto the active roster but if he clears he can then be signed to practice squad and more or less protected by the large salary.

He cleared waivers when he was cut by Bills. Broncs can move him to 53 easy; actually any team can sign him to the active roster off their PS.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Count Porkula on September 05, 2017, 09:54:37 PM
JWill was my sneaky last round sleeper in my deeper fantasy leagues.

Motherfucker was supposed to be #2 three weeks ago, what the fuck happened?

Buffalo
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on September 05, 2017, 10:05:34 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 05, 2017, 10:10:26 PM
The arbitrator's ruling on Elliott's suspension is expected by the close of business today.  Meanwhile, the hearing on Elliott's and the NFLPA's injunction request is scheduled to start at 5:00 this afternoon.

The arbitrator upheld the 6-game suspension, but it won't go into effect until after week 1.  Thus, he will play against the Giants on Sunday regardless of the judge's decision on the injunction.  The judge said he'll issue a ruling no later than Friday.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on September 05, 2017, 11:40:06 PM
The arbitrator upheld the 6-game suspension, but it won't go into effect until after week 1.  Thus, he will play against the Giants on Sunday regardless of the judge's decision on the injunction.  The judge said he'll issue a ruling no later than Friday.

Reportedly judge was all over the NFL lawyers' asses today about the situation with the NFL investigator that was barred from the hearing with Goodell.

Didn't come up in the courtroom but media reports also said Tiffany Thompson nailed Lucky Whitehead and sent Zeke texts and pics to fuck with him.
Title: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 05, 2017, 11:48:51 PM
The arbitrator upheld the 6-game suspension, but it won't go into effect until after week 1.  Thus, he will play against the Giants on Sunday regardless of the judge's decision on the injunction.  The judge said he'll issue a ruling no later than Friday.

No doubt Harold Henderson had Zeke on his FF team and needs him for this weekend.

I don't see Zeke getting help in court for this regardless of him getting screwed by the league or their slipshod methods.  Article 46 gives the commish dictatorial powers.  However, if he didn't do this, he has nothing to lose by persuing this.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on September 06, 2017, 10:27:08 AM
No doubt Harold Henderson had Zeke on his FF team and needs him for this weekend.

I don't see Zeke getting help in court for this regardless of him getting screwed by the league or their slipshod methods.  Article 46 gives the commish dictatorial powers.  However, if he didn't do this, he has nothing to lose by persuing this.

and now it's dueling jurisdictions - NFL using NY office, Cowboys using East Texas.

God bless Texas, for once. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on September 06, 2017, 10:29:44 AM
AC going to Ravens PS
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on September 06, 2017, 11:49:39 AM
Interesting fact brought up by Rick Neheusil on the college show yesterday (Sirius) which could probably be dropped in to about 5 different threads -  I haven't fact checked it, by the way :

The state of GA had the most players drafted this last time - 29.  None of them went to UGA. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 06, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
Interesting fact brought up by Rick Neheusil on the college show yesterday (Sirius) which could probably be dropped in to about 5 different threads -  I haven't fact checked it, by the way :

The state of GA had the most players drafted this last time - 29.  None of them went to UGA.


This article says one of the 29 went to Georgia (Isaiah McKenzie, who was taken in the 5th round), but otherwise that is pretty remarkable. 

2017 NFL Draft: Which states produced the most draft picks  (http://247sports.com/Article/2017-NFL-Draft-Which-states-produced-the-most-draft-picks-other--52571741)

It also mentions this tidbit:

Quote
Bret Bielema fled Wisconsin for Arkansas because he felt he had a better chance of winning a championship with the Razorbacks. But over the weekend the state of Arkansas produced just one draftee while the state of Wisconsin produced four. The SEC footprint certainly helps the Razorbacks, but it's a decision that still seems questionable five years later.
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Cerdo on September 06, 2017, 12:01:36 PM

This article says one of the 29 went to Georgia (Isaiah McKenzie, who was taken in the 5th round), but otherwise that is pretty remarkable. 

2017 NFL Draft: Which states produced the most draft picks  (http://247sports.com/Article/2017-NFL-Draft-Which-states-produced-the-most-draft-picks-other--52571741)


Isaiah McKenzie PLAYED at Georgia.... but he's not from Georgia. 

It's pretty remarkable that UGA only had one player actually drafted as well. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on September 06, 2017, 12:06:41 PM
Isaiah McKenzie PLAYED at Georgia.... but he's not from Georgia. 

It's pretty remarkable that UGA only had one player actually drafted as well.


I see.  I misread it. 
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TexZilla on September 06, 2017, 12:09:23 PM
and now it's dueling jurisdictions - NFL using NY office, Cowboys using East Texas.

God bless Texas, for once.

I hope this thing lands in Texas and Goodell has to come down to Sherman Texas and testify. 

I think at this point the idea is too expose in court on the record the shitty imperiousness of Goodell and his league office.  The results might be the same as Brady's, basically being good or bad, the NFLPA gave this power to the Commish in the CBA and these are the results.  (how demaurice smith hasn't been put through a round of Oklahoma drills in his $5000 suit is beyond me)

I'll leave this to the legal minds here as the media here cant figure out why Zeke's side published all the docs, including admissions of drug use, rough sex, an abortion, and general assholery douchery.  If the court upholds the leagues power, could Zeke then have the basis of a defamation suit personally against Goodell or others for countermanding the evidence and branding him with this?  If so, I think they are putting the shit out there to defuse it as a weapon by the league. 

The NFL talking heads might talk to the issues of Ray Rice, but they all conveniently forget to discuss the heat about Josh Brown, a far more heinous situation and one the league and Giants were complicit in hiding.  I think the league's actions here, in ignoring the lead investigator's recommendations and misconstruing evidence, shows a definite agenda to show how tough they are on DV and sensitive to womens. 

Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: TravelHog on September 27, 2017, 12:59:44 PM
https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/9/5/16258176/ray-lewis-suggests-nessa-tweet-had-something-to-do-with-ravens-not-signing-colin-kaepernick

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Title: Re: 2017 NFL Offseason Thread
Post by: Lurk on September 27, 2017, 01:13:24 PM
https://www.ninersnation.com/2017/9/5/16258176/ray-lewis-suggests-nessa-tweet-had-something-to-do-with-ravens-not-signing-colin-kaepernick

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Bitch is gonna get Kap stabbed. Ray don't play that.