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Title: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 11, 2012, 06:29:34 PM
Don't know if it needs one, but put all your commentary here, I guess?

Let me spoil the ending for you:  Our only major sport undisputed national championship coach is run oft by a past-his-prime racist megalomaniac.  Then, said winning coach's right hand man is setup to fail in finishing out the season and sloughed off like so much dead skin.

That right-hand man goes off and does a few impressive things, then we finally wake the fuck up, hire him, and start to heal the last of the schisms from the racist megalomaniac's term.

Oh, and some Duke players cry on the bench.  So, I bet it's pretty good.
Title: PSA - 40 Minutes of Hell Coming Up
Post by: MDEM on February 11, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
ESPNU at 8 pm. 
Title: Re: PSA - 40 Minutes of Hell Coming Up
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 11, 2012, 06:50:44 PM
You hurt me.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 11, 2012, 06:56:07 PM
Because Woopig is all about challenging authority and not kissing administrator ass, I'll put my review in Alpha's thread instead of MDEM... plus it was first.

I saw it after the SC game.  It was a good flick - I saw nothing that anyone should be worked up over.  Broyles is non existent.

It is about 2/3 of Nolan coming up, explaining some of his resentment coming up and then the 94 run.

They basically then leap straight to the firing for about 15 minutes and rehash the 2 angry press conferences.

I know I've yammered about Nolan before, but seriously, if you watch that film and take in the following:

1. guy basically raised by an old lady with an absent father and dead mother, which would make me angry.
2. being black in segregated America - being the leading scorer on your team and not being able to play on someones floor because you're black, which would really piss me off.
3.  Fighting to get an open door and not getting anywhere forever, something which pisses me off most of my life
4.  Having your kid die, something which I wouldn't even want to think about, the anger I would feel in that.
5.  Getting to the top and then still having people question your intelligence and coaching while sucking Coach K's cock and Houston Nutt's vagina  - again, seething anger - I've never felt the national media has been made to own up to their fucking part in this point.

Yeah, I'd be an angry guy too.  I'm an angry guy now in a lot of ways and Nolan had it way more fricked up then a lot of us want to own up to.  If you watch that film and get angry over something, then you may be the one with the problem.

By the way, a lot of moments got applause during that game but I think it is worth noting that the audience applauded heavily when it was noted that my alma mater was the first University in the South to hire a black coach in a major sport. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
Charles Dutton sounds like Nolan.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on February 11, 2012, 08:11:20 PM
Slobber Hog!
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: BigDavis on February 11, 2012, 08:14:07 PM
Ken Biley sighting
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on February 11, 2012, 08:16:22 PM
nm
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Buffinator on February 11, 2012, 08:18:09 PM
I'm emotional already.  This is greatness.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Clark on February 11, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
.....but seriously, fuck John Engskov.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Southern Yeoman on February 11, 2012, 08:22:49 PM
I should've guessed it would be about discrimination instead of Arkansas basketball.  I'm so weary of that.

I'm going back to Smokey and the Bandit.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on February 11, 2012, 08:25:04 PM
I should've guessed it would be about discrimination instead of Arkansas basketball.  I'm so weary of that.

I'm going back to Smokey and the Bandit.

Frick off.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:25:58 PM
goddamm.  we were brilliant, honest, and true fucking nasty.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:27:23 PM
beck is doing quite the pat bradley impression.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on February 11, 2012, 08:27:55 PM
I should've guessed it would be about discrimination instead of Arkansas basketball.  I'm so weary of that.

I'm going back to Smokey and the Bandit.
How would you make a piece about Nolan Richardsons life and career and not have discrimination be included? And Im sure there will be some Arkansas basketball in there somewhere.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:33:50 PM
How would you make a piece about Nolan Richardsons life and career and not have discrimination be included? And Im sure there will be some Arkansas basketball in there somewhere.

The bit about nolans grandma knowing slaves is powerful.

On Yvonne: my Kentucky friend said the thing he remembers the most about Nolan (who he loathed at one point) was when Nolan said after the title game "baby we got u another one."

We have a president in our documentary.  That era was lightningin a fucking bottle.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:37:09 PM
holy shit.  nolan dropped "n----r ball."  :stunned:

edited for inappropriateness. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on February 11, 2012, 08:37:49 PM
Nolan just dropped an n-bomb.  Shocked the ESPN/ABC/Disney types didn't bleep him.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
Nolan just dropped an n-bomb.  Shocked the ESPN/ABC/Disney types didn't bleep him.

stunning  :stunned:
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Buffinator on February 11, 2012, 08:40:41 PM
It was a great point I thought. Same styles, but we were playing people ball and they were playing hard and smart. I was 9-10 years old in those years. I love getting to rewatch the highlights of glory days.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MDEM on February 11, 2012, 08:41:11 PM
holy shit.  nolan dropped "better man than me ball."  :stunned:

That was pretty powerful.  He made the whole damn show with that comment. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: iNOVAhog on February 11, 2012, 08:41:37 PM
When others played it, it was called full court pressure.  When we played it, it was ni--er ball.  Thanks for reminding us Nolan.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:43:12 PM
That was pretty powerful.  He made the whole damn show with that comment.

yeah.  i remember hearing it even as a kid, which perplexed me b/c our style was all i knew and how i wanted to play.  and we were fucking awesome.

i edited my post b/c it might have been inappropriate, but I think that maybe seeing it in context does drive the point home about what Nolan had to overcome.

i don't know. no offense intended, obviously.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on February 11, 2012, 08:45:33 PM
I hope everyone knows we're watching a show about a guy who should be coaching somewhere, anywhere, right now.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:46:54 PM
I hope everyone knows we're watching a show about a guy who should be coaching somewhere, anywhere, right now.

idk.  he's kinda old.

i'm just glad that he's back. 

we had to celebrate and be glad, because this brother of yours was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 11, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
I should've guessed it would be about discrimination instead of Arkansas basketball.  I'm so weary of that.

I'm going back to Smokey and the Bandit.

Die.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 11, 2012, 08:50:00 PM
vin ascolese @Ascolese11

Watching this special on Arkansas basketball , woo pig SOOIE dog
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:50:12 PM
that game is and probably always will be my favorite sporting event of all time.  i've watched that game, literally, 20 times.  i remember every moment of it and every comment by the broadcast crew.  it means more to me than anything i've ever witnessed as a hog fan.  the moment that defines my truth is one of the most absolute clutch moments in the history of college basketball.  it makes me believe that the Hogs have guts and can pull it out and win.  our boys climbed the fucking mountain.  it's one of the first times i remember being proud.  that and the Gulf War.  There can be miracles.

RIP Whitney Houston.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 11, 2012, 08:50:34 PM
I should've guessed it would be about discrimination instead of Arkansas basketball.  I'm so weary of that.

I'm going back to Smokey and the Bandit.
Are you fucking serious? Jump head first into a wood chipper.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 11, 2012, 08:51:26 PM
that game is and probably always will be my favorite sporting event of all time.  i've watched that game, literally, 20 times.  i remember every moment of it and every comment by the broadcast crew.  it means more to me than anything i've ever witnessed as a hog fan.  the moment that defines my truth is one of the most absolute clutch moments in the history of college basketball.  it makes me believe that the Hogs have guts and can pull it out and win.  our boys climbed the fucking mountain.  it's one of the first times i remember being proud.  that and the Gulf War.
I turned 12 years old April, 1994.

Yeah, pretty good birthday present.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:52:03 PM
I turned 12 years old April, 1994.

Yeah, pretty good birthday present.

the Resurrection was the icing on the top of the baklava. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: chittlins on February 11, 2012, 08:52:17 PM
After the Georgia game I heard the term Razorblacks tossed back out there. Wanted to to bitchslap him.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on February 11, 2012, 08:54:46 PM
Can't believe White agreed to an interview.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:54:46 PM
After the Georgia game I heard the term Razorblacks tossed back out there. Wanted to to bitchslap him.

motherfucker.

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 08:56:55 PM
Houston Nutt is a titty baby.

White(s) fucks Nolan.

Armstrong lands on moon.

Japs bomb Pearl Harbor.

Caesar murdered by assholes.

breaking.......
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cracklins on February 11, 2012, 09:01:57 PM
I had almost forgotten how bad John White sucked.  Hindsight is 20/20 but protecting that dumbass Nutt and attacking Nolan was inexcusable. He was here way too long.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on February 11, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
Hiring Anderson was right.

Our Macbeth ends with redempiton, hope, and reconciliation.

It's like a dream...
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 11, 2012, 09:05:23 PM
Name the court after the man already.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cracklins on February 11, 2012, 09:09:42 PM
And build him a statue.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 11, 2012, 09:14:11 PM
I said it early and I'll say it again.  If you have a major issue with anything in that special, the problem may be you.  There really is nothing that one can argue with, factually. 

We all know who he was talking about too when he bitches in that press conference about how he knew he wasn't playing on the same field as some other coaches on campus.

If you think it irritated YOU on Woopig that fuckhead was getting 2 year passes and his ass kissed, how do you think it rubbed a guy who had actually played in the NFL and knew more about coaching football and basketball like Nolan?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Inthraller on February 11, 2012, 09:17:51 PM
I'm guessing that the soon-to-be-built basketball practice facility will be named after Richardson, hopefully with a statue in front of it. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Ob Gyn Kenobi on February 11, 2012, 09:24:51 PM
I remember the solemn pride I felt during those years. All of those folks hating on our team because of the way we played, and our coach's personality.

We Americans are at our best when we have a chip on our shoulder and an axe to grind; we are at our best when it IS personal. Just like Nolan.

I know I am at my best when I feel disrespected; I love it when you underestimate me. To me, that is Nolan Richardson.



Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 11, 2012, 09:29:18 PM
In a weird way, that may be the reason Nolan never really emotionally left Arkansas. 
We can grind out tycoons and presidential candidates in Arkansas but to the rest of the world, Arkansas is still just a bunch of barefoot hicks.  Arkansas has a history of fighting its own war for respect all the time.... just like Nolan.   
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Mike Slive on February 11, 2012, 09:32:21 PM
That was awesome. I think it was fair to Nolan and the University without getting into details. I just regret that couldn't have turned into a 2 hour special. I am loving our current players getting a glimpse of how "real" HogBall is.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 11, 2012, 09:34:34 PM
I have defended John White in the past.

That ends today.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Ob Gyn Kenobi on February 11, 2012, 09:36:38 PM
I agree Cerdo, I moved to Texas on my fifth birthday. I was the only Arkansas fan I knew. I caught constant shit from everyone about Arkansas; had countless fights during FB season when I'd where my Hog tshirts.

I don't care if you give me respect; I'll beat it out of you.

Just like Nolan

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on February 11, 2012, 09:42:09 PM
As a fan, if you are not excited about the fact that our University is headed in the right direction then you can proceed to the nearest fire or go watch Smokey and the Bandit....but in less than one year, we have had our football and basketball program spotlighted.

To the administrators: Keep the name Bud Walton Arena if you must, but for fuck's sake name the court Nolan Richardson.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on February 11, 2012, 09:46:23 PM
I have defended John White in the past.

That ends today.

I have reasons to like the guy, but here's my take:  He could handle the academics but he was wholly incapable of managing the athletic/business side of being the chancellor.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Too Big Pig on February 11, 2012, 09:49:36 PM
I was disappointed there was no mention of shooting horses.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 11, 2012, 09:53:57 PM
As was said earlier: name the court after him and give him a statue.

We did more for the cracker who shared one.

As PE said.. It's got to be psychological discomfort in paying tribute to a black man.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on February 11, 2012, 09:54:40 PM
i've watched that game, literally, 20 times.

I probably watched it 20 times in the first week after it was played.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: born2BaHawg on February 11, 2012, 10:04:12 PM
For all the nasty stuff we've had to say about ESpin, I gotta say, that was one fine reminder of one of the best coaching successes in college basketball. I loved the little segment where the talking heads were predicting the winner of the NC game and said the "smarter" coach would win out. Says a lot about how Nolan was viewed by the national press as a black aberration who couldn't win against a better mind. I still don't blame him for his rants as the end neared. He was angry, and for good cause. What was it White said? "We would have hoped for a happy response so our (black) potential recruits would choose Arkansas"? What a dipshit. That they didn't hire Mike on the spot after 17 years of mentoring by Nolan pretty much says it all. Thank you, Baby Jesus, for hiring Jeff Long and running off White. Life is good, if you are a Hawg!
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: KCHOGS on February 11, 2012, 10:09:21 PM
“As I always said I created a monster.  And so you have to feed the monster and sometimes you run out of food.  And if you run out of food too soon the monster will eat you.” – Nolan Richardson.

I watched this with my son and explained to him how I felt when I was his age.  I told him to always be proud of where he's from and who he is.  I then asked him if I (personally) was proud to be from Arkansas and he said "yes".  He knows I'm proud to be from Arkansas and he knows before all is said and done that I will retire there.  Everyday he walks downstairs and see's the framed newspapers "Top Hogs", "Tonights the Night", "Top o' The World".... and others.  He knows we are all Hog.

Sadly my DVR didn't record all of it (game before went over), but I'll watch it again.  Thank you Noland for being a Hog and making us proud tonight.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Clark on February 11, 2012, 10:13:15 PM
For all the nasty stuff we've had to say about ESpin, I gotta say, that was one fine reminder of one of the best coaching successes in college basketball. I loved the little segment where the talking heads were predicting the winner of the NC game and said the "smarter" coach would win out. Says a lot about how Nolan was viewed by the national press as a black aberration who couldn't win against a better mind. I still don't blame him for his rants as the end neared. He was angry, and for good cause. What was it White said? "We would have hoped for a happy response so our (black) potential recruits would choose Arkansas"? What a dipshit. That they didn't hire Mike on the spot after 17 years of mentoring by Nolan pretty much says it all. Thank you, Baby Jesus, for hiring Jeff Long and running off White. Life is good, if you are a Hawg!
Mitch Albom. Know your sports, dude.

But don't forget Nolan bringing in Jennings, Gilbert, Hankins, et. al. He quit recruiting how he built the program. He signed the kids people bitched about him not signing (Keith Carter) and 'showed us'.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 11, 2012, 10:21:42 PM
I should've guessed it would be about discrimination instead of Arkansas basketball.  I'm so weary of that.

I'm going back to Smokey and the Bandit.
 

Why does someone who claims to be from Georgia and who claims to be a Georgia Tech grad give a gawddamn about the Hogs to begin with? Fuck off to some nerdy ass Tech board, dumas.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: born2BaHawg on February 11, 2012, 10:25:37 PM
Mitch Albom. Know your sports, dude.

Really? You know who Mitch Albom is? Kudos to you, my sports junkie friend. I couldn't name a single commentator from that period, except for Dandy Dan doing Cowboys games and that greasy haired Jewish guy who had suitcases under his eyes (can't name him either. Jeez, getting old is hard to do.)
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Porkrinds on February 11, 2012, 10:37:54 PM
Missed it. Need to download this pronto.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on February 11, 2012, 10:43:34 PM
I was junior when we won.  There are no words that can express how awesome it was. We would not have done it without Rimac, Crawford and Dillard. Backups that would be studs on our current team.

Great job by ESPN.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on February 11, 2012, 11:20:33 PM
As a fan, if you are not excited about the fact that our University is headed in the right direction then you can proceed to the nearest fire or go watch Smokey and the Bandit....but in less than one year, we have had our football and basketball program spotlighted.

To the administrators: Keep the name Bud Walton Arena if you must, but for frick's sake name the court Nolan Richardson.

This goes right to the woopig.net lexicon.

Heading to screen door now.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pee on February 12, 2012, 12:08:51 AM
For those of you who fell victim to the basketball game running long, ESPNU will be running "40 Minutes of Hell" again at 11am on Sunday.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: clintcommander on February 12, 2012, 01:17:32 AM
This goes right to the woopig.net lexicon.

Heading to screen door now.

Go watch Smokey and the Bandit, you pussy eater?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on February 12, 2012, 03:43:06 AM
I just regret that couldn't have turned into a 2 hour special.

Looked like it was going to be , but they cut it.

Chris Bahn @cbahn
Director told me today #40minutesofhell was once two, 48-minute films. Could have been longer.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: chittlins on February 12, 2012, 06:04:03 AM
This goes right to the woopig.net lexicon.

Heading to screen door now.

It was playing on Encore during the premiere.

That said, someone should punch his momma in the mouf, cause there ain't no way he came from Woopig's loins
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 12, 2012, 06:42:53 AM
I remember the night we beat the Dukies. I was living in Houston at the time and was watching the game in my apt. As soon as the game was over, one of my cousin's husbands called me (who lives in SW Ark)...I think he got about 3 or 4 GD's out before he started crying. Think he was about 40 at the time. Of course, he has a still out in the woods, so that may have played a part in it, but you could HEAR the joy and pride in his voice. After he hung up, I just sorta sat back and let it sink in....

fucking national champions. made me cry as well. I was only in my 30's. And when BMFP wins one, I'll do it again. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: iNOVAhog on February 12, 2012, 07:14:35 AM
I was disappointed that the cause of Nolan's demise wasn't mentioned.  As I recall, the Broyles administration fucked up J. Patte's and S. Adebayo's paper work which lead to four years of NCAA investigations.  Many of Nolan's players transferred.  Recruiting suffered.

  If I was Nolan, I'd hate Frank's guts.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on February 12, 2012, 07:30:38 AM
On the U this morning at 11 am.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hatchclan on February 12, 2012, 08:11:40 AM
I said it early and I'll say it again.  If you have a major issue with anything in that special, the problem may be you.  There really is nothing that one can argue with, factually. 

We all know who he was talking about too when he bitches in that press conference about how he knew he wasn't playing on the same field as some other coaches on campus.

If you think it irritated YOU on Woopig that fuckhead was getting 2 year passes and his ass kissed, how do you think it rubbed a guy who had actually played in the NFL and knew more about coaching football and basketball like Nolan?
I have not seen the special yet, but I do remember (almost painfully) the times. I was not happy with Nolan because I thought he let it interfere with his job. I was extremely unhappy with Broyles and his administration because of the obvious discrimination. Most of the people I was around at the time were pro-broyles because they were mostly racist and they couldn`t see past that.
That said.

I am very happy for Nolan and his staff to be recognized for their effort and strength. Also, I am pretty sure that CMA has/is using the experiences (good and bad, but that does NOT excuse the bad) to teach and coach these young men he is in charge of.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: PigPenner on February 12, 2012, 08:32:11 AM
As a fan, if you are not excited about the fact that our University is headed in the right direction then you can proceed to the nearest fire or go watch Smokey and the Bandit....but in less than one year, we have had our football and basketball program spotlighted.

To the administrators: Keep the name Bud Walton Arena if you must, but for fuck's sake name the court Nolan Richardson.

And a sweet baseball special on ESPiN.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: TUSK_U on February 12, 2012, 09:39:25 AM
I probably watched it 20 times in the first week after it was played.

You gotta be THAT guy, don't you? The one-upper.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on February 12, 2012, 10:11:47 AM
You gotta be THAT guy, don't you? The one-upper.

I'm a two-upper.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: ManBearHog on February 12, 2012, 10:14:26 AM
As soon as the game was over, one of my cousin's husbands called me

So how many husbands does your cousin have?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: BASS on February 12, 2012, 10:43:24 AM
i remember how we fell off the mountain top in '00 and '01, and being pissed about it.  i remember nolan's rants in press conferences that were aired on tv, and sportscenter, and everywhere else, and being embarrassed and pissed about it.  at the time and for years afterward i was glad nolan was fired because i thought it was time, that he had quit recruiting as hard as he did to bring in the studs he did in the late 80's and early 90's, and that after the public rants he deserved it. 

i was wrong.  i was naive, uninformed, and wrong.  i'm sorry nolan.  fuck you broyles, white, and the arkansas media.

nolan needs his name on bud walton arena, not just the damn court.  yeah, bud walton gave the uofa half the money it needed to build it, but there would never have been a need or a cause without nolan - he's responsible for the other half of the money and every reason behind building it.  many stadiums and arenas have two names hyphenated on them and most of the people they were named after are not as important to those schools as nolan is to arkansas. 

Richardson-Walton Arena needs to be on all four sides of the outer facade above the entrances.  Put a big ass statue of Nolan under the glass atrium of the south entrance, not sure what pose to use, maybe the one of him kissing the national championship trophy, or that stoic father figure look he carried so often.  Name the court Yvonne Richardson Court after his daughter, or name it Mike Anderson court, he spent 17 years here going through much of the same shit, biding his time, and the university turned their backs on him and basically said "Fuck You".  Yeah, we hired him back 10 years later, but it would be a nice way to offer up an everlasting apology. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on February 12, 2012, 11:03:23 AM
i remember how we fell off the mountain top in '00 and '01, and being pissed about it.  i remember nolan's rants in press conferences that were aired on tv, and sportscenter, and everywhere else, and being embarrassed and pissed about it.  at the time and for years afterward i was glad nolan was fired because i thought it was time, that he had quit recruiting as hard as he did to bring in the studs he did in the late 80's and early 90's, and that after the public rants he deserved it. 

i was wrong.  i was naive, uninformed, and wrong.  i'm sorry nolan.  fuck you broyles, white, and the arkansas media.

nolan needs his name on bud walton arena, not just the damn court.  yeah, bud walton gave the uofa half the money it needed to build it, but there would never have been a need or a cause without nolan - he's responsible for the other half of the money and every reason behind building it.  many stadiums and arenas have two names hyphenated on them and most of the people they were named after are not as important to those schools as nolan is to arkansas. 

Richardson-Walton Arena needs to be on all four sides of the outer facade above the entrances.  Put a big ass statue of Nolan under the glass atrium of the south entrance, not sure what pose to use, maybe the one of him kissing the national championship trophy, or that stoic father figure look he carried so often.  Name the court Yvonne Richardson Court after his daughter, or name it Mike Anderson court, he spent 17 years here going through much of the same shit, biding his time, and the university turned their backs on him and basically said "Fuck You".  Yeah, we hired him back 10 years later, but it would be a nice way to offer up an everlasting apology.

Naming the court after Yvonne isn't a bad idea and she was instrumental in talking Nolan into accepting the job (at least that is how it was portrayed.) so I wouldn't have a beef one way or the other....but we do need to do something to immortalize Nolan for what he did for our University and for the program.

If we built a statue, I would like for it to be a game shot....one of his typical stances that we saw all to often during a game:

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/148/721/1399376_display_image.jpg?1312270897)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/000/341/178/101531_crop_340x234.jpg?1268977432)
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Humphrey BOARgart on February 12, 2012, 12:38:09 PM
Naming the court after Yvonne isn't a bad idea and she was instrumental in talking Nolan into accepting the job (at least that is how it was portrayed.) so I wouldn't have a beef one way or the other....but we do need to do something to immortalize Nolan for what he did for our University and for the program.

If we built a statue, I would like for it to be a game shot....one of his typical stances that we saw all to often during a game:

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/148/721/1399376_display_image.jpg?1312270897)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/000/341/178/101531_crop_340x234.jpg?1268977432)


Rename Leroy Pond and change the address of BWA to 7672 Nolan Richardson Drive.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: radioman on February 12, 2012, 01:20:44 PM
at the time and for years afterward i was glad nolan was fired because i thought it was time, that he had quit recruiting as hard as he did to bring in the studs he did in the late 80's and early 90's, and that after the public rants he deserved it. 


I don't know if Nolan quit recruiting hard, but there is no doubt that after 95' or so that there was little talent coming in that was over 6'6".  To me, the failure to successfully recruit any quality players with height, is what led to the decline in the program in the latter Nolan years.  I believe it was during this period that Nolan said something along the lines, "I select players; I do not recruit them."  This statement did not sound very good, when balanced against the recruiting classes at the time. 

I thought the ESPN documentary was very fair to all parties.  I am happy that Nolan and the UofA have reconciled.  It is great that White and Broyles are gone because they didn't know how to help Nolan or how to help the football program by selecting a real coach.  I understand Nolan's anger at the many injustices in his life, but I also think that he had a lot of support in Arkansas and just needed to accentuate the positive and not be so dominated by any perceived negatives.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 12, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
Recruiting changed in the 90's as AAU coach/handler/street agent became the person to deal with instead of the high school coach. Red Boots didn't like dealing with those rascals and his hands were tied when it came to recruiting Juco's which was always a strength of his.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: jsimp on February 12, 2012, 01:36:13 PM
Just watched it for the first time and I had chill bumps most of the show. I can't believe we were able to get Mike Anderson back here, that's going to help heal a lot of these wounds maybe. I can't believe that kid from Little Rock got sold on that snake oil salesmen from Kentucky. I can't help but feel Mike is on his way bringing this thing back.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Red Death on February 12, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
The bottom line is we had JJ Sullinger, ANDRE IGUOUDALA and Jonathan Modica coming in the year after Nolan was fired.  He was going to turn it around if given SUPPORT AND TIME THAT HE DESERVED.

Fired after a career spanning 17 years and unprecedented success.  Meanwhile, a dipshit gets a 2 year pass to continually suck.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: ElvisHog on February 12, 2012, 01:42:10 PM
Mitch Albom. Know your sports, dude.

But don't forget Nolan bringing in Jennings, Gilbert, Hankins, et. al. He quit recruiting how he built the program. He signed the kids people bitched about him not signing (Keith Carter) and 'showed us'.

That was my problem at the time. He reached the top of the mountain and then quit. But now I realize why he did. Like that guy said in the show, the pressure of fighting it all finally got to be too much. I remember him also saying that a black man didn't often get the podium like he had it after the national championship game, so he used it.

He said he didn't have to recruit...he could just select. His "selections" weren't that great. I also think he had a bit of the Nutt syndrome in that he wanted to be recognized more for developing the diamonds in the rough...but most of them stayed lumps of coal.

But...I'm over it all now. I'm just glad that things are repaired and we're all moving on. At least I hope we're all moving on.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Razor B on February 12, 2012, 03:45:12 PM
I heard car horns going off all night in Fayetteville. I loved every minute of it and want that feeling again.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MurleyGerson on February 12, 2012, 04:04:52 PM
I should've guessed it would be about discrimination instead of Arkansas basketball.  I'm so weary of that.

I'm going back to Smokey and the Bandit.

(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/tennhogfan/075.gif)

  Obviously rumors were already abound by the time that reporter at the Kentucky post-game struck a nerve with coach. Nothing they love more than to find a chink in the armor, pounce, then sit back like lard-ass at the pie-eating contest and revel at the chaos created.

"Do you think your job's in jeopardy, coach?"  ;D

  Proudly, what CNR accomplished was nothing short of phenomenal. However, 17 years is a long time. Had he continued on the same path I feel it would have delayed the inevitable. He was no longer the hungry contender with something to prove. He had grown weary of the monster and it was time, you could see it in his eyes.

 I just wish it could have gone down differently, on his terms. Instead of the ugly sideshow it became. It pleases me that he still supports the razorbacks, and agree BWA should be renamed NRA. It is only right.





Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: jsimp on February 12, 2012, 04:10:03 PM
(http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv156/tennhogfan/075.gif)

  Obviously rumors were already abound by the time that reporter at the Kentucky post-game struck a nerve with coach. Nothing they love more than to find a chink in the armor, pounce, then sit back like lard-ass at the pie-eating contest and revel at the chaos created.

"Do you think your job's in jeopardy, coach?"  ;D

  Proudly, what CNR accomplished was nothing short of phenomenal. However, 17 years is a long time. Had he continued on the same path I feel it would have delayed the inevitable. He was no longer the hungry contender with something to prove. He had grown weary of the monster and it was time, you could see it in his eyes.

 I just wish it could have gone down differently, on his terms. Instead of the ugly sideshow it became. It pleases me that he still supports the razorbacks, and agree BWA should be renamed NRA. It is only right.

this is gay. not in a homosexual kind of way, but in a faggoty kind of way.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: SupaflyTNT on February 12, 2012, 04:29:24 PM
Anyone know whether it will be replayed, and if so, can I get it on something other than the U?  Until later this week I am doomed to dish network and can't find anything on the search feature or on espin's website.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: oldhogfan on February 12, 2012, 05:12:16 PM
Anyone know whether it will be replayed, and if so, can I get it on something other than the U?  Until later this week I am doomed to dish network and can't find anything on the search feature or on espin's website.

Twit from Jeff Long today.

@jefflongUA @REPtheHOGS_116 "40 Minutes of Hell" is on ESPN2 Tuesday at 11PM.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MDEM on February 12, 2012, 05:28:22 PM
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/02/12/nolan-richardsons-ferocity-carries-nostalgic-40-minutes-of-hell/
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Das Uberschwein on February 12, 2012, 07:36:52 PM
Twit from Jeff Long today.

@jefflongUA @REPtheHOGS_116 "40 Minutes of Hell" is on ESPN2 Tuesday at 11PM.

 :beer:
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on February 12, 2012, 08:45:29 PM
The bottom line is we had JJ Sullinger, ANDRE IGUOUDALA and Jonathan Modica coming in the year after Nolan was fired.  He was going to turn it around if given SUPPORT AND TIME THAT HE DESERVED.

Fired after a career spanning 17 years and unprecedented success.  Meanwhile, a dipshit gets a 2 year pass to continually suck.

He might have turned things around, but it would have taken more than just another year and a whole lot more than what Nolan had coming in.  Igoudala would have been a great player for us, but he was a swing man.  Sullinger was a decent role player, but not a true guard.  Modica brought instant scoring ability but poor ball handling skills.  Also not really a guard.  Basically the Hogs would have had three decent to great swingmen and Satchell, Gomez and Carl Baker on the front line, with Charles Tatum being the only player on the roster even resembling a point guard. 

I love Nolan and regret supporting his dismissal back then, but to say that he had a talented roster coming back is revisionist history at best.  It was going to take at least one more top quality recruiting class to get us back to even being a definite tournament team.  I'm not sure Nolan had enough gas left in the tank at that point to have reversed the trend. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: clintcommander on February 12, 2012, 08:47:39 PM
this is gay. not in a homosexual kind of way, but in a faggoty kind of way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLnapb-30hA&ob=av3e
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on February 13, 2012, 06:27:54 AM
Igoudala would have been a great player for us, but he was a swing man.  Sullinger was a decent role player, but not a true guard.  Modica brought instant scoring ability but poor ball handling skills.  Also not really a guard. 

There is no way to know if things would have been different, but perhaps without a big chunk of the fan base wanting to run off Coach Richardson maybe Emeka Okafor chooses us over UCONN?  That would have made a difference.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: marine4ark on February 13, 2012, 07:44:07 AM
It was a very balanced and well-done piece.  Did anyone notice it was done by "NASCAR" productions -- I found that odd but not that it mattered in the product's quality. 

White and JFB should be disappointed over their actions.  Nolan was no angel and there comes a time when even a wronged-man has to stop whining.  His beef with discrimination should have ended when he got one of the premier (IMO) jobs as the first black coach of a major program in the south. 

I wasn't there.  I don't know, and very few probably actually do, what the climate was.  I do know how JFB and the university shunned Nolan for so long made me wonder if there was some bitterness.  And perhaps some bitterness was justified.  I agree whole-heartedly with Nolan's sentiments that he wasn't treated as other coaches were (especially the reverend). 

Anyway, it's sad that we've been out of national title relevance in any sport other than track for 18 years.  Here's to healing and winning.     
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on February 13, 2012, 08:29:59 AM
There is no way to know if things would have been different, but perhaps without a big chunk of the fan base wanting to run off Coach Richardson maybe Emeka Okafor chooses us over UCONN?  That would have made a difference.

Doubtful, for two reasons.  One, there wasn't nearly as much dissatisfaction outside of message boards when Okafor was being recruited.  Two, Nolan didn't feel the need to make an in-home visit with Okafor anyway, so it's hard to put the blame for his loss on the fans as opposed to the head coach. 

I hate being put in the position of pointing out Nolan's flaws which contributed to his downfall.  In my book he was forgiven long ago for anything he did to harm his career or the basketball program.  But just because we have forgiven him for these acts doesn't mean that they didn't occur. 

What kind of reaction do you all think we would have to Nolan today if we hadn't walked in the wilderness from 2003-2011?  Suppose John White had bled to death while jacking off with a cheese grater the week before Nolan's meltdown, and Frank had been able to hire whomever he wanted.  Bill Self was all but on a plane to come to the press conference when White put his grubby little dick grabbers all over the process.  Assuming Self had been hired and had the success that he's had at Illinois and Kansas since that time, would we still be so happy and gracious towards Nolan for his accomplishments?  I like to think we would, but something tells me a lot of the sentiment from the end of Nolan's tenure would remain. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Guardrail on February 13, 2012, 08:42:35 AM
The fact that the school finally faced its past to address its future and hiring Mike A. was a huge point for me. Remembering how bad Nolan's first teams were made me realize that where MA is with this team is a minor miracle. Yeah they suck on the road, but for crying out loud, its year one. If and when Mike can gets him some menz, it may come full circle. I like seeing Nolan in the stands at home games.
And those kids on the 94 team were some high flying ballers, too. It's still amazing seeing the highlights.   
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: JDHog on February 13, 2012, 09:14:54 AM
The fact that the school finally faced its past to address its future and hiring Mike A. was a huge point for me. Remembering how bad Nolan's first teams were made me realize that where MA is with this team is a minor miracle. Yeah they suck on the road, but for crying out loud, its year one. If and when Mike can gets him some menz, it may come full circle. I like seeing Nolan in the stands at home games.
And those kids on the 94 team were some high flying ballers, too. It's still amazing seeing the highlights.

100% agree with this post. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 13, 2012, 10:29:42 AM
One thing that stuck out to me was the talent level of some of the teams across the nation in the early 90s. UNLV was clearly loaded and one of the best teams ever, but those Duke and Kentucky teams were stacked as well.

Didn't Bama trot out Latrell Sprewell, Hollywood Robinson and Robert Horry all at once?

Early entry has hurt the game. I'd like to see a college baseball rule.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 13, 2012, 10:48:18 AM
One thing that stuck out to me was the talent level of some of the teams across the nation in the early 90s. UNLV was clearly loaded and one of the best teams ever, but those Duke and Kentucky teams were stacked as well.

Didn't Bama trot out Latrell Sprewell, Hollywood Robinson and Robert Horry all at once?

Early entry has hurt the game. I'd like to see a college baseball rule.

Those games in may/day era vs Bama were epic. The talent and skill level was off the chart. You are correct, early entry has killed the college game.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on February 13, 2012, 11:06:27 AM

I just wish it could have gone down differently, on his terms. Instead of the ugly sideshow it became.

It pleases me that he still supports the razorbacks.


Only while his protege Mike Anderson is the coach, if that ever ceases to be the case, Nolan will once again unleash his full hatred on the UA.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Sus-Scrofa on February 13, 2012, 11:08:30 AM
Twit from Jeff Long today.

@jefflongUA @REPtheHOGS_116 "40 Minutes of Starkville" is on ESPN2 Tuesday at 11PM.

DVR'ded
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: bakervscarrr on February 13, 2012, 11:14:34 AM
Only while his protege Mike Anderson is the coach, if that ever ceases to be the case, Nolan will once again unleash his full hatred on the UA.

Didn't he come back for the 15-year anniversary celebration?  When Pel was still here?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 13, 2012, 11:20:27 AM
Only while his protege Mike Anderson is the coach, if that ever ceases to be the case, Nolan will once again unleash his full hatred on the UA.

Surprising it took 4 pages to draw you in, racist.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: chittlins on February 13, 2012, 11:22:45 AM
Those games in may/day era vs Bama were epic. The talent and skill level was off the chart. You are correct, early entry has killed the college game.

Sadly nothing changed under the new agreement. At least nothing that I have seen. It should be out of high school, NFL rule or college baseball rule. Anything but one and done.

And yeah, he was rather supportive of Phail at tipoff club engagements and on the radio.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: libertyhog on February 13, 2012, 11:30:07 AM
Surprising it took 4 pages to draw you in, racist.


I don't think he's a racist. He just hates Nolan and HDN.  Really, really hates. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MurleyGerson on February 13, 2012, 11:43:48 AM
Only while his protege Mike Anderson is the coach, if that ever ceases to be the case, Nolan will once again unleash his full hatred on the UA.

I don't think so.  Unless Long tells MA to give the smarter kids more playing time.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on February 13, 2012, 11:44:48 AM
I was disappointed that the cause of Nolan's demise wasn't mentioned.  As I recall, the Broyles administration fucked up J. Patte's and S. Adebayo's paper work which lead to four years of NCAA investigations.  Many of Nolan's players transferred.  Recruiting suffered.

  If I was Nolan, I'd hate Frank's guts.


Interesting that you mention this, because Friday night I watched a lot of the replay of the game against Missouri at BWA from December 1995.  This was early in the season after we lost the title game to UCLA, and there were a lot of changes in the lineup from the preceding three years.  Gone were guys like Corliss, Scotty, Clint McDaniel, Corey Beck, Dwight Stewart, etc.  In were freshmen Kareem Reid, Pat Bradley, Derek Hood, and juco transfers like Jesse Pate and Sundaye Adebayo.   

Pate and Adebayo both played very well in that game, prior to the whole eligibility mess, and Ali Thompson (a true freshman that year) was blocking shots all over the place.  While not nearly as good a team (especially after losing Pate and Adebayo) as the several that preceded it, that team still went to the Sweet Sixteen. 

That's the last time we've been past the second round in the NCAA Tournament.  1995-1996.   

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: likeupthisramp on February 13, 2012, 11:48:20 AM
Those games in may/day era vs Bama were epic. The talent and skill level was off the chart. You are correct, early entry has killed the college game.
Although it was a Hog loss, probably the best bball game I have ever witnessed was Arkansas vs Bama in our first SEC tournament.  I think it was the semifinal game and played in Birmingham - I would guess half of the crowd was for the Hogs.  Probably 6 or 7 NBA players in that game and we lost it on a three pointer by some Bama guard that barely scored.

Not just the way we played, but the way the crowd dominated gave us immediate respect from Kentucky fans.  The SEC really needs for us to do our part of getting the Ark/Kentucky rivalry back.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: iNOVAhog on February 13, 2012, 12:11:47 PM

Interesting that you mention this, because Friday night I watched a lot of the replay of the game against Missouri at BWA from December 1995.  This was early in the season after we lost the title game to UCLA, and there were a lot of changes in the lineup from the preceding three years.  Gone were guys like Corliss, Scotty, Clint McDaniel, Corey Beck, Dwight Stewart, etc.  In were freshmen Kareem Reid, Pat Bradley, Derek Hood, and juco transfers like Jesse Pate and Sundaye Adebayo.   

Pate and Adebayo both played very well in that game, prior to the whole eligibility mess, and Ali Thompson (a true freshman that year) was blocking shots all over the place.  While not nearly as good a team (especially after losing Pate and Adebayo) as the several that preceded it, that team still went to the Sweet Sixteen. 

That's the last time we've been past the second round in the NCAA Tournament.  1995-1996.   

Actually, D. Robinson remained on the the team the 95-96 season.  I recall during the SEC round-robin, ESPN showed a lot of those games when the Pate-Adebayo-Robinson combination was really kicking ass.  I also remember that we wouldn't have made the NCAAT without P. Bradley's blitzkrieg against Georgia in the SECT.  With Pate and Adebayo, we'd of been a different team.  The NCAA gave our program a titanic screwing that season and others.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on February 13, 2012, 12:14:55 PM
Actually, D. Robinson remained on the the team the 95-96 season. 


That was a typo.  I meant Dwight Stewart.  Went back and changed it after I realized my mistake.

I didn't see much of Robinson in that particular game I was watching the other night, but Lee Wilson saw a lot of playing time (and actually looked pretty decent) before he fouled out.

From the December 25, 1995, edition of The Sporting News:

The Hogs are gobbled up by monstrous expectations (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n52_v219/ai_17918014/)

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HogBroyles on February 13, 2012, 01:01:43 PM
Anyone know whether it will be replayed, and if so, can I get it on something other than the U?  Until later this week I am doomed to dish network and can't find anything on the search feature or on espin's website.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 13, 2012, 01:10:53 PM
That says Last 7 days, brah.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on February 13, 2012, 01:13:01 PM
Surprising it took 4 pages to draw you in, racist.
Throwing out the "Racist" BS again huh?
Everybody who is not fond of all the things Nolan did to the UA on his way out is not a racist. In fact many of them, just like me, were big supporters and fans of Nolan for a long time.
Calling everybody "racists" who dares to express anything remotely considered as criticism of Nolan just weakens the term and makes people quit listening to the barking dog.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: iNOVAhog on February 13, 2012, 01:15:59 PM

That was a typo.  I meant Dwight Stewart.  Went back and changed it after I realized my mistake.

I didn't see much of Robinson in that particular game I was watching the other night, but Lee Wilson saw a lot of playing time (and actually looked pretty decent) before he fouled out.

From the December 25, 1995, edition of The Sporting News:

The Hogs are gobbled up by monstrous expectations (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_n52_v219/ai_17918014/)

Good find there.  I wouldn't have known there were any internet articles going back that far.  I couldn't find the 95-96 schedule results anywhere.  I didn't realize they started 4-3 that season.  I just recall they were hot near mid-season before Pate-Adebayo were yanked.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on February 13, 2012, 01:18:27 PM
Good find there.  I wouldn't have known there were any internet articles going back that far.  I couldn't find the 95-96 schedule results anywhere.  I didn't realize they started 4-3 that season.  I just recall they were hot near mid-season before Pate-Adebayo were yanked.


Check this out:

1995-96 Arkansas Men's Basketball Schedule (http://www.fanbase.com/Arkansas-Razorbacks-Mens-Basketball-1995-96/schedule)
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HipHog on February 13, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
nolan quit and needed to be fired



the fuck is MA daughter playing at texass for
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: TC on February 14, 2012, 12:22:30 AM
nolan quit and needed to be fired



the fuck is MA daughter playing at texass for

She's a senior.  Where do you think she should be playing?       
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HipHog on February 14, 2012, 12:40:48 AM
She's a senior.  Where do you think she should be playing?     
um i dont know, maybe a school that wasnt a rival or same conf where my dad coached
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: TC on February 14, 2012, 01:01:21 AM
um i dont know, maybe a school that wasn't a rival or same conf where my dad coached

She could have made that decision regardless of where dad coached.  And if she did consider it, she sat at the same supper table with dad and she probably had a strong inclination he was ready to go when the phone rang from Arkansas.   
Besides that, this is women's college bb we're talking about.  And it's not like she left Arkansas to go to Texas.  She left Missouri.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HogBroyles on February 14, 2012, 08:40:53 AM
That says Last 7 days, brah.
I think it says Monday at 11:00 pm, brah.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HipHog on February 14, 2012, 10:52:21 AM
She could have made that decision regardless of where dad coached.  And if she did consider it, she sat at the same supper table with dad and she probably had a strong inclination he was ready to go when the phone rang from Arkansas.   
Besides that, this is women's college bb we're talking about.  And it's not like she left Arkansas to go to Texas.  She left Missouri.
yea, thanks for that explanation, i am now dummer for having read that
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 14, 2012, 11:31:53 AM
yea, thanks for that explanation, i am now dummer for having read that
Are you being serious about all this?

If so, you really  need to let some things go.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: radioman on February 14, 2012, 11:59:02 AM
Recruiting changed in the 90's as AAU coach/handler/street agent became the person to deal with instead of the high school coach. Red Boots didn't like dealing with those rascals and his hands were tied when it came to recruiting Juco's which was always a strength of his.

This is my only problem with Nolan.  He didn't respond to the changing recruiting environment, and when the performance suffered as a result of not changing what he was doing, the whole thing became a Nolan vs. Administration thing with Nolan making allegations that his problems with the administration were because of his race.  Granted, he didn't get the chances that Nutt got, but I don't think that was about race as much as the football team being Frank's pet project, where he had to have one of "his" type of coaches.

Hopefully, Mike Anderson is going to kick ass and continue to heal the wounds.  I think we all learned a lesson from what happened with Nolan and that was that the UofA needed stronger administrators.  I don't think there was enough emphasis placed on how to help Nolan do better by asking him how he could fix the recruiting and what administration could do to help.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HipHog on February 14, 2012, 12:20:43 PM
Are you being serious about all this?

If so, you really  need to let some things go.
let my hatred for texass go? not gonna happen
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 14, 2012, 12:28:10 PM
let my hatred for texass go? not gonna happen
No, your whole deal on hating the fact that Yvonne Anderson plays for them is really kind of creepy, but then again, par for the course with you.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on February 14, 2012, 01:21:37 PM
Throwing out the "Racist" BS again huh?
Everybody who is not fond of all the things Nolan did to the UA on his way out is not a racist. In fact many of them, just like me, were big supporters and fans of Nolan for a long time.
Calling everybody "racists" who dares to express anything remotely considered as criticism of Nolan just weakens the term and makes people quit listening to the barking dog.

You're either racist or stupid.  Either way, you're a douche.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: LashHog on February 14, 2012, 02:05:41 PM

What kind of reaction do you all think we would have to Nolan today if we hadn't walked in the wilderness from 2003-2011?  Suppose John White had bled to death while jacking off with a cheese grater the week before Nolan's meltdown, and Frank had been able to hire whomever he wanted.  Bill Self was all but on a plane to come to the press conference when White put his grubby little dick grabbers all over the process.  Assuming Self had been hired and had the success that he's had at Illinois and Kansas since that time, would we still be so happy and gracious towards Nolan for his accomplishments?  I like to think we would, but something tells me a lot of the sentiment from the end of Nolan's tenure would remain.
I think John White screwed up pretty much everything he touched in athletics, but I can't say I completely blame the UA for not hiring Self. Watching that documentary, I remember thinking how bad we would have looked had we hired a white coach. I don't think our whole program was racist like Nolan made it sound but that would have been some nice evidence for his court case and things might be a lot different right now.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 14, 2012, 02:12:26 PM
You're either racist or stupid.  Either way, you're a douche.
He needs to kind of lay down on the ground for a minute, just stay there for a second, and have a good bleed. And just bleed.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: NotoriousPIG on February 14, 2012, 02:54:10 PM
I think John White screwed up pretty much everything he touched in athletics, but I can't say I completely blame the UA for not hiring Self. Watching that documentary, I remember thinking how bad we would have looked had we hired a white coach. I don't think our whole program was racist like Nolan made it sound but that would have been some nice evidence for his court case and things might be a lot different right now.

Fixt
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on February 14, 2012, 03:26:19 PM
The Nolan exit fiasco was before my time. This documentary tells a good story, but it left me wanting to know more of the details. I think it should've been a two-hour show.

However the story does make me much more thankful that Mike Anderson is now our coach.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on February 14, 2012, 03:32:52 PM
You're either racist or stupid.  Either way, you're a douche.
Glad this movie is healing all the wounds. What a hoot.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: LashHog on February 14, 2012, 03:34:59 PM
Glad this movie is healing all the wounds. What a hoot.
Well, you do remind me of a certain "wound that never heals."
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on February 14, 2012, 03:51:52 PM
He needs to kind of lay down on the ground for a minute, just stay there for a second, and have a good bleed. And just bleed.
Great band. Great song.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 14, 2012, 04:06:33 PM
Great band. Great song.
I see that you definitely did not see what I did there.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HogTat on February 14, 2012, 04:49:43 PM
I see that you definitely did not see what I did there.

This is what I thought you did.

http://youtu.be/tBeYB6RRQ5c
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on February 14, 2012, 05:02:12 PM
He needs to kind of lay down on the ground for a minute, just stay there for a second, and have a good bleed. And just bleed.
Title: Re: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: bigghurtt on February 14, 2012, 05:10:32 PM
Glad this movie is healing all the wounds. What a hoot.

This isn't about old wounds.  It's about you making a laughably stupid post now.
Title: Re: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on February 14, 2012, 05:30:34 PM
This isn't about old wounds.  It's about you making a laughably stupid post now.
OK there governor. Thanks for clearing that up. :)
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on February 14, 2012, 05:44:27 PM
The Nolan exit fiasco was before my time. This documentary tells a good story, but it left me wanting to know more of the details. I think it should've been a two-hour show.

However the story does make me much more thankful that Mike Anderson is now our coach.


Here's some fun reading that has a lot of interesting nuggets in it.  Yes, they're court cases, but if you read through them you'll probably learn something about what happened.  How did you miss all this in the first place, though? 

Judge Wilson's order dismissing Nolan's lawsuit against the UA. (7/8/2004) (http://ar.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20040708_0000021.EAR.htm/qx)

8th Circuit opinion affirming Judge Wilson's order. (5/26/2006) (http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/06/05/043049P.pdf)

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HipHog on February 14, 2012, 06:15:29 PM
I think John White screwed up pretty much everything he touched in athletics, but I can't say I completely blame the UA for not hiring Self. Watching that documentary, I remember thinking how bad we would have looked had we hired a white coach. I don't think our whole program was racist like Nolan made it sound but that would have been some nice evidence for his court case and things might be a lot different right now.
still would have rather had self
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Too Big Pig on February 14, 2012, 06:42:01 PM
I see that you definitely did not see what I did there.

I may be the only one who did see what you did there.

For those of you others:
http://arkansasnews.com/2011/02/14/blog-pelphreys-valentines-day-plea/
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: big_pig on February 14, 2012, 07:19:54 PM
I think John White screwed up pretty much everything he touched in athletics, but I can't say I completely blame the UA for not hiring Self. Watching that documentary, I remember thinking how bad we would have looked had we hired a white coach. I don't think our whole program was racist like Nolan made it sound but that would have been some nice evidence for his court case and things might be a lot different right now.

This cannot be repeated enough
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on February 14, 2012, 07:19:55 PM
How did you miss all this in the first place, though? 

I was young (high school), didn't pay much attention to the details. I knew everybody was pissed off at everybody, somebody messed around and shot a horse, then he got fired.

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: big_pig on February 14, 2012, 07:21:36 PM
I may be the only one who did see what you did there.

For those of you others:
http://arkansasnews.com/2011/02/14/blog-pelphreys-valentines-day-plea/

Yeah I caught it immediately.  I think Pel has already faded from our memories.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on February 14, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
Although it was a Hog loss, probably the best bball game I have ever witnessed was Arkansas vs Bama in our first SEC tournament.

The wrath of destruction I unleashed after that game was epic.  It would have made "wallstreetpro2" from the youtubes proud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWu-efNN8PM

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: HogTuba on February 14, 2012, 10:25:01 PM
I'm sure no one disagrees but this is an amazingly well-made documentary.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: nordlaw on February 14, 2012, 10:29:47 PM

Here's some fun reading that has a lot of interesting nuggets in it.  Yes, they're court cases, but if you read through them you'll probably learn something about what happened.  How did you miss all this in the first place, though? 

Judge Wilson's order dismissing Nolan's lawsuit against the UA. (7/8/2004) (http://ar.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20040708_0000021.EAR.htm/qx)

8th Circuit opinion affirming Judge Wilson's order. (5/26/2006) (http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/06/05/043049P.pdf)

Reading through that first link, and this gave me a good laugh:

Quote
At Defendants' urging, I have considered Murphy v. University of Cincinnati.*fn23 unpublished three-judge opinion of the Sixth Circuit. In Murphy, the plaintiff, an assistant swim coach, compared herself to the assistant diving coach, a man who was in his twenty-second year at UC who had earned eight various coach-of-the-year awards and had coached nineteen All-Americans and one Olympian. Those facts differ greatly from the facts here. While it appears that Coach Nutt is on his way, at this point he has not won a National Championship or a BCS bowl game. According to Kevin Scanlon, only Richardson has achieved the status of a "seasoned coach." Courts have made it clear that a finding that persons are similarly situated does not require that their positions are identical.*fn24 All in all, there has been no showing that these positions require appreciably different types and degrees of skill and responsibility.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 14, 2012, 10:35:55 PM
You're either racist or stupid.  Either way, you're a douche.
 

Instead of shooting Nolan's horse, he should have just shot himself.
Title: Re: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on February 14, 2012, 11:12:55 PM
Great band. Great song.


I don't know how to do this shit, so if it doesn't work I'll go to the screen door and watch Smokey and the Bandit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=A19hAu_qPb8
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 14, 2012, 11:18:49 PM
Just watched it the second time.

Really wanted to see more. That thing needed two hours.
I feel like we just all watched the Seinfeld finale.

Two things really stuck out to me.
The death of Yvonne really drove him. As angry as he always was, with the chip on his shoulder, against the world mentality... It seems he really tried like Starkville to find something positive out of what happened there. He must've really struggled with that ordeal, obviously... as any parent would.

Also, how wrong White looked at the situation. He thought it was important for Nolan to publicly express that he was happy there. I don't think Nolan was ever truly happy anywhere. That's not his personally. He worked better when he was mad, with something to prove. I don't think there's any moment more telling to this than the press conference right after he won a title. He was mad. He had just proved everyone wrong and he wanted them to give him credit.

I think he believes he never got enough credit for that. I'd say he's right.

I really wanted to see the Pate/Adebayou deal hashed through. I think that cloud, along with the changes in recruiting... really put him behind the 8 ball. While a lot of people say he was purposely sticking it to the admin/fans with home state players, etc. and less talent, you could also point to what was potentially coming in to say he was swinging back around. The Hootie love from the fans/admins really bit him in the ass.

I know some say he quit, but frankly I never truly thought that... but for various reasons, I'm going to have a biased opinion there.

While I guess part of me is kind of glad a lot of the end wasn't shown, there's a HUGE gap there that the production just skipped over completely.

Two of the best UK-UA games were completely left out, which I found odd... and that's not even counting the ass whooping we threw on that Unforgettables team first trip into Rupp.

Still a great watch. Just wish there was more.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Snowman Slayer on February 14, 2012, 11:31:22 PM
anyone have a rapidshare link?  Would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 14, 2012, 11:41:24 PM
Red Boots isn't an angel or a devil. He is a complicated cat but bottom line is that he's a Razorback legend. That NC game was the proudest i've ever been as a Hog fan and I hope MA can get us back to being a serious program again.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 14, 2012, 11:46:15 PM
Red Boots isn't an angel or a devil. He is a complicated cat but bottom line is that he's a Razorback legend. That NC game was the proudest i've ever been as a Hog fan and I hope MA can get us back to being a serious program again.

Exactly.
Think about how beloved and respected Pitino was in his tenure at UK, then look at what Nolan accomplished in that same time period.

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on February 14, 2012, 11:49:29 PM
Red Boots isn't an angel or a devil. He is a complicated cat but bottom line is that he's a Razorback legend. That NC game was the proudest i've ever been as a Hog fan and I hope MA can get us back to being a serious program again.

Bingo
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: chittlins on February 15, 2012, 12:48:48 AM
Well, increasing interest to the point of selling out games again without it being a Texas or some Honoring the 94 champions game is a start.

Fla game is a sellout.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 15, 2012, 12:55:31 AM
Supposedly there was enough material recorded to get 2-3 hours... a lot of which, according to director Kenan Holley, will be on the ESPN Films DVD that is set to come out in the spring.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hawgwild8988 on February 15, 2012, 02:28:23 AM
If you missed the airing on ESPN2 earlier tonight, you can catch it on ESPN U on 2/17 at 2p, 2/18 at 7am. Or ESPN 2 on 2/19 at 7am. Or ESPN U on 2/19 at 9pm and 2/25 at 7am.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MDEM on February 15, 2012, 04:53:50 AM
Supposedly there was enough material recorded to get 2-3 hours... a lot of which, according to director Kenan Holley, will be on the ESPN Films DVD that is set to come out in the spring.

It was originally a two part series and they cut it back to an hour for TV.  There is definitely another hour's worth of show out there.  I'll buy the DVD. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on February 15, 2012, 08:41:25 AM
It was originally a two part series and they cut it back to an hour for TV.  There is definitely another hour's worth of show out there.  I'll buy the DVD.

Sweet. Now I don't have to read those damn court cases, and I can actually get some work done today.


Here's some fun reading that has a lot of interesting nuggets in it.  Yes, they're court cases, but if you read through them you'll probably learn something about what happened.  How did you miss all this in the first place, though? 

Judge Wilson's order dismissing Nolan's lawsuit against the UA. (7/8/2004) (http://ar.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20040708_0000021.EAR.htm/qx)

8th Circuit opinion affirming Judge Wilson's order. (5/26/2006) (http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/06/05/043049P.pdf)

Just kidding, thanks for the links.  :stache:
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on February 15, 2012, 11:16:07 AM
Sweet. Now I don't have to read those damn court cases, and I can actually get some work done today.

Just kidding, thanks for the links.  :stache:


From a lawyer's point of view, you can tell that Judge Wilson was writing much of his opinion for the benefit of the lay people that would be reading it, rather than lawyers and others familiar with legal procedure and terminology.  He goes into great, and mostly unnecessary, detail at the start to explain why it wasn't a jury trial, the difference in burden of proof between a civil and criminal trial, his role as both fact-finder and law-giver in a bench trial, etc.  All this was not necessary to the decision in the case, and was information that lawyers and other legal experts would already know without it being explained to them in such detail.  So, in short, it's a much easier to read opinion for the layperson than your typical federal court opinion. 

Usually, to view a federal district court opinion when it's first put online on the court's website, you have to have a pay subscription to a service called PACER.  However, the federal clerk put this opinion on their website with free public access the day it came out, due to the high volume of public interest in the case. 

Besides, let us not forget Judge Wilson's take on Mike Nail:

I believe it is also appropriate here to comment on Mike Nail's testimony for the Defendants. Most witnesses take the stand to tell the truth. One must, in my view, make reasonable allowances for conflicts of testimony which may well be clouded by the mists of time. Witnesses to an event often honestly hear and see things differently. Behavioral scientists have proved this (which we know from experience anyhow) beyond doubt. At the same time, the courtroom is the temple of justice and a judge should not let her or his tolerance for human frailty trump a frank view of a witness whose testimony clearly falls short of candor.

During closing argument, I pointed out that the testimony of Defendants' witness, Mike Nail, left gravel in my shoe. At the beginning of his testimony, he stated that he would rather be anywhere in the world than in the witness chair, since he considered Richardson to be his "good friend." He pointed out that he was appearing to testify under subpoena. I told counsel that I doubted the subpoena was effective, and that, more important, during the course of his testimony, Nail's demeanor was not that of a person who did not want to testify.

After the trial, Defendant's counsel wrote a letter contending that the subpoena was effective. While he may be right, on previous occasions I have quashed subpoenas issued and served under almost identical circumstances. No other party has questioned the "100 mile" restriction in Rule 45 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Be that as it may, I again point to Nail's demeanor. It appeared to me that he relished his role as clean-up batter for the Defendants, and he pretty much covered the waterfront for them. Despite my feeling on this, I probably would not have commented, but for another point which is important, in my view, in weighing his testimony.

Paul Eels, seatmate of Coach Broyles at the February 18, 2000, Hawg's Illustrated banquet, overheard Broyles' racial statement. He heard it as a direct statement, rather than as a quote; although he pointed out that he was not engaged in conversation with Coach Broyles when the racial remark was made. It may be that he missed an indication that it was a quote.

As indicated previously, I do not think that it makes any difference whether it was a direct statement or a quote, but everyone interested in the case knew that the distinction was very important to Coach Broyles. Nail testified that, in a private conversation prior to trial, Eels told him that it was a quote. This means that either Nail or Eels lied about this specific point. I am satisfied that Eels told the truth. I need not state the flip side of this opinion, except to say that, in finding for Defendants, I did not rely upon Nail's testimony.


Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: woopiginaustin on February 15, 2012, 11:30:17 AM
I can't watch it. I was too emotionally invested in the basketball team in the 90's. I'm not ready to have our past success rubbed in my face.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: big_pig on February 15, 2012, 12:31:30 PM


Besides, let us not forget Judge Wilson's take on Mike Nail:

The wrong "voice of the Razorbacks" died



Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on February 15, 2012, 04:43:53 PM
Nolan's teams that featured Day, Mayberry, Miller, Huery, Credit, Bowers, Wilson, Morris & Wallace, etc. may have been better overall teams than the 1994 Championship team.  I loved every season from 89-95. The descent from 96-02 is too painful to think about.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Mike Slive on February 15, 2012, 05:16:15 PM
I really don't care who was right or wrong. Nolan was the victim of racism. Frank is probably a racist. All the things Nolan encountered was probably taken out on Frank, since Nolan probably felt he broke through those barriers with his performances. When he realized that even then, his employer liked a HDN more than him, well the writing was on the wall.

All I know is that MMFA did walk through that door and I hope the footage in that special makes people really appreciate what we have, even if they didn't while Nolan was here.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Red Death on February 15, 2012, 05:40:33 PM
I really don't care who was right or wrong. Nolan was the victim of racism. Frank is probably a racist. All the things Nolan encountered was probably taken out on Frank, since Nolan probably felt he broke through those barriers with his performances. When he realized that even then, his employer liked a Hootie more than him, well the writing was on the wall.

All I know is that MMFA did walk through that door and I hope the footage in that special makes people really appreciate what we have, even if they didn't while Nolan was here.

I concur wholeheartedly.  Everyone's performance will suffer if they don't have the support of their bosses, especially after winning a national championship and finishing runner up the next season.  Add the ugliness of racism and you have a situation about as bad as they come.  Nolan pushed through that as long as he could. 

And the way everyone talks you'd think 96-02 were the worst years of Razorback basketball history.  We went to the NCAA every year but the last one I think.  And won an SEC tournament.  Granted we weren't where we were, but an NCAA investigation (caused by Broyles' buddy no less) was crippling our program.

Just happy that it seems old wrongs have been made right and the bad guys are gone now.  Ready to move forward.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: ArkGuy on February 15, 2012, 06:04:27 PM
Nolan's teams that featured Day, Mayberry, Miller, Huery, Credit, Bowers, Wilson, Morris & Wallace, etc. may have been better overall teams than the 1994 Championship team.  I loved every season from 89-95. The descent from 96-02 is too painful to think about.

I think the '90 Final Four team wasn't as good as the '91 team that lost the lead late against Kansas in the SE Finals when Bowers got hurt and had to leave the game.  UNLV was on the opposite side of the bracket in the Final Four but got upset by Duke.

That team only lost 3 games all year going into the tourney: Arizona in the Pre-season NIT finals, #1 UNLV, and @ texas.  In the SE Rgional we beat SEC Tourney champ Bama (Spreewell, et al) by 22 in the 3rd round and were up 12 over Kansas at the half in the finals.  We went cold in the second half, then lost some defense when Bowers went out.  Meanwhile, Alonzo Jamison couldn't miss from the field and Adonis Jordan couldn't miss from the line.  The last 10 minutes were agonizing to watch.  It was worse watching UNLV get upset in the Final Four.  We had already beaten Duke that year.  Kansas lost to them in the finals.

After the season, it was disclosed Miller had played most of the season with a fractured foot.

That '91 team may not have beaten the '94 team but they were probably more of a true "40 minutes of Starkville" team.  The '94 team played more half court than most remember, especially after deciding to "go big" in the tournament.  The '91 team was Starkville on wheels.  In their 7 postseason games (SWC & NCAA) they averaged over 100 points per game.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 15, 2012, 07:18:07 PM
Nolan's teams that featured Day, Mayberry, Miller, Huery, Credit, Bowers, Wilson, Morris & Wallace, etc. may have been better overall teams than the 1994 Championship team.  I loved every season from 89-95. The descent from 96-02 is too painful to think about.

The '94 team was our most talented ever.  Davor Rimac would have had his jersey hanging from the rafters if he had played 5 years later, and I don't think he even averaged 16 minutes a game on that team.  Dillard hardly ever played against the good teams, and he would have averaged more points/game than any Razorback since other than Joe Johnson and Brewer.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: shithead on February 15, 2012, 07:26:41 PM
The '94 team was our most talented ever.  Davor Rimac would have had his jersey hanging from the rafters if he had played 5 years later, and I don't think he even averaged 16 minutes a game on that team.  Dillard hardly ever played against the good teams, and he would have averaged more points/game than any Razorback since other than Joe Johnson and Brewer.

I'm gonna split the difference with you and Olive Branch. I think the '91 team was more talented, but the '94 group was a better team.

And lets not get carried away with the Rimac and Dillard love. Both were fantastic role players on that team, but to say Rimac would've had his jersey hanging if he'd played 5 years later and Dillard would have averaged more pts/gm than any Razorback other than Johnson or Brewer is crazytalk. Again, great role players but not guys who were ever going to be "the man", even on the late '90's teams.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 15, 2012, 09:07:39 PM
I really don't care who was right or wrong. Nolan was the victim of racism. Frank is probably a racist. All the things Nolan encountered was probably taken out on Frank, since Nolan probably felt he broke through those barriers with his performances. When he realized that even then, his employer liked a HDN more than him, well the writing was on the wall.

All I know is that MMFA did walk through that door and I hope the footage in that special makes people really appreciate what we have, even if they didn't while Nolan was here.
 

I think Paw Paw is prejudiced not racist. Many white men from his era have certain ideas about black folks and will never change their mind. If he were full of hate towards black folks, he would have never hired Red Boots in the first place. He did probably expect Red Boots to be more "grateful" towards him and was probably was a condescending ass while Red Boots was a combative ass with a chip on his shoulder. Of course Paw Paw liked Hooty more, Hooty kissed his ass and fed his ego while that "colored boy" didn't appreciate all that Paw Paw thought he had done for him.

It's time to turn the page on all that.
Title: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on February 15, 2012, 09:12:22 PM
Watched this last night.  Brought back a tear.  I could still name everyone on the teams back then but can't name half the kids on this years team.  Nolan was a hoss back then. I miss him chewing some ass. 

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on February 15, 2012, 10:06:10 PM
The '94 team was our most talented ever.  Davor Rimac would have had his jersey hanging from the rafters if he had played 5 years later, and I don't think he even averaged 16 minutes a game on that team.  Dillard hardly ever played against the good teams, and he would have averaged more points/game than any Razorback since other than Joe Johnson and Brewer.
Dillard woulda given up as many points as he got if he'd have played all the time. He had no clue on defense nor did he care BUT dammit, that dude could shoot. I once saw him in practice make 17 straight 3's and 19 of 20.

I still believe the '91 team was our most talented ever. Hell, we had Huery coming off the bench. But I understand it's hard going against a team that won the title. Bottom line is if we can get anyting resembling either one of those teams again we will all be ecstatic.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: reverendhog on February 15, 2012, 10:52:51 PM
Just watched it. I had the pleasure of going to high school with Corliss. ESPN did a better job than I thought. I was even impressed with Bill.

So proud of Nolan. They gave him a voice. We have a history that can never be taken away from us. I remember watching every game that year, especially the drubbing of Missouri. I skipped several college classes to watch the NCAA tournament.

Great job to show how the players interacted with Nolan.

He said, "It was the smart coach against the dumb coach."

God love the '94 team. It was a beautiful time. And we will always have it. Thanks to those players and coaches who made it happen.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: reverendhog on February 15, 2012, 11:19:30 PM
Oh. Short historical side note. When I was at Murray State for the Nutt/Gottried era..

I was a graduate assistant. It was the year after Arkansas had lost to UCLA in the championship. Murray hired Gottfried from UCLA. I was at a little league park doing an assignment for a sociology of sport class. I saw Gottfried.

I said, "Hey, Coach Gottfried. I'm a GA and an Arkansas fan. I went to high school with Corliss."

He said, "Yeah, we sure shut him down, didn't we?"

I bristled. I said, "What exactly did you do to shift him down?"

He said, "Corliss can't shoot from under the goal. We used Zidek to push him right under the basket. He was ineffective all night. Ha ha ha."

I stared at him. He walked off to yell at his son who was a piece of shit at baseball.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 17, 2012, 03:45:20 AM
I really don't care who was right or wrong. Nolan was the victim of racism. Frank is probably a racist.

I didn't get any of this when I watched it. 

And I know I'm in the silent minority here, but to simply say Frank is/was a racist is using the racist term a little loosely.  In my mind, a racist would not have hired a black coach, even if he was the Coach K of that time.  And Nolan was FAR from that when he came here.

Making a few comments, over a long period of time, that some people judge to be racist does not necessarily make you a racist.  Just like many people can justifiably call Nolan a racist for many of the comments he made doesn't actually make Nolan a racist.

 

I think Paw Paw is prejudiced not racist. Many white men from his era have certain ideas about black folks and will never change their mind. If he were full of hate towards black folks, he would have never hired Red Boots in the first place. He did probably expect Red Boots to be more "grateful" towards him and was probably was a condescending ass while Red Boots was a combative ass with a chip on his shoulder. Of course Paw Paw liked Hooty more, Hooty kissed his ass and fed his ego while that "colored boy" didn't appreciate all that Paw Paw thought he had done for him.

It's time to turn the page on all that.

I hadn't even read this when I posted.  The thing is, if you judge just by message boards today, the overwhelming tone is that Broyles was racist and Richardson wasn't.  And 15 years ago, it was the exact opposite feeling.

What changed?  Broyles hired Nutt, so most people don't like him.  And Richardson quit saying stupid stuff (for the most part) after we let him go, so people forgot and forgave.

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 17, 2012, 03:58:57 AM
And lets not get carried away with the Rimac and Dillard love. Both were fantastic role players on that team, but to say Rimac would've had his jersey hanging if he'd played 5 years later and Dillard would have averaged more pts/gm than any Razorback other than Johnson or Brewer is crazytalk. Again, great role players but not guys who were ever going to be "the man", even on the late '90's teams.

Take out Brewer and Johnson, then name me one player who we had between '96 and '10 that would have started on the '94 team.  And I think the 6-10 guys on the '94 team would have started on any of the teams afterwards, except maybe Dillard.  But even coming off the bench, he would have led the SEC in scoring playing for the first couple Stan Heath teams.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 17, 2012, 05:45:57 AM
Frank is just another super old guy from the deep South who may not be openly racist but he sure wasn't going to let a black guy in to his good old boy's club.  I'm going to guess the guy who walked on the football team and instead got killed by 11 on 1 drills could tell you that.  If you asked the guy who threatened Frank's position as top Hog only to be shunned for being "uppity" and "ungrateful", he'd probably tell you a lot more. 

There are a thousand fucks like Broyles in Arkansas, heck, there are a few on here as far as I'm concerned. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MDEM on February 17, 2012, 06:28:38 AM
Take out Brewer and Johnson, then name me one player who we had between '96 and '10 that would have started on the '94 team.  And I think the 6-10 guys on the '94 team would have started on any of the teams afterwards, except maybe Dillard.  But even coming off the bench, he would have led the SEC in scoring playing for the first couple Stan Heath teams.

Jannero Pargo
Maybe Sunday Adebayo
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Splurge on February 17, 2012, 07:38:23 AM
Jannero Pargo
Maybe Sunday Adebayo

Valid argument, but I would still take McDaniel (I'm biased, one of my favorite all-time Hogs) over Pargo especially for his defense at the SG position.  I'd Corliss over Adebayo.  Probably Stewart too, if we say "center" even though Nolan's systems really never had a true center.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hog Leg on February 17, 2012, 08:42:09 AM
Valid argument, but I would still take McDaniel (I'm biased, one of my favorite all-time Hogs) over Pargo especially for his defense at the SG position.  I'd Corliss over Adebayo.  Probably Stewart too, if we say "center" even though Nolan's systems really never had a true center.

I'm not sure what position the 7 footers Wilson and Robinson played then.  They were definitely not guards.
Title: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on February 17, 2012, 08:58:17 AM
What about Reid?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 17, 2012, 09:47:47 AM
What about me?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzQKECQgjW8
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Splurge on February 17, 2012, 10:22:39 AM
I'm not sure what position the 7 footers Wilson and Robinson played then.  They were definitely not guards.

Nobody said they were guards.  Hell, neither turned out to be much of a player at all (with the exception of Darnell's "dance" at the end of the NC game.).  Corliss played "bigger" than they did, and he was definitely a forward.

Reid and Hood could be in the discussion, but I still wouldn't take them.  Despite being the all-time assists leader, I would still take Beck over him.  He just seemed to raise the level of the entire team.   Loved Hood, but I would Thurman over him as well.  People forget just how great he was.  Many thought he was better than Corliss, which is just wild when you think about it.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: hogfan58 on February 17, 2012, 11:40:00 AM
Nobody said they were guards.  Starkville, neither turned out to be much of a player at all (with the exception of Darnell's "dance" at the end of the NC game.).  Corliss played "bigger" than they did, and he was definitely a forward.

Reid and Hood could be in the discussion, but I still wouldn't take them.  Despite being the all-time assists leader, I would still take Beck over him.  He just seemed to raise the level of the entire team.   Loved Hood, but I would Thurman over him as well.  People forget just how great he was.  Many thought he was better than Corliss, which is just wild when you think about it.

Loved Scotty, he was stone cold in the clutch. But better than Corliss? Anyone who thinks that needs to put down the crack pipe.
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Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 17, 2012, 11:47:27 AM
Loved Scotty, he was stone cold in the clutch. But better than Corliss? Anyone who thinks that needs to put down the crack pipe.

What he means is, there was a popular opinion at the time that Scotty Thurman had more potential at the next level.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Swine Bluff on February 17, 2012, 01:08:45 PM
What about Reid?
He was supposed to be on the 94 team, but was a partial qualifier. He would have struggled to get PT that year. The senior year version of Nicky Davis might have played a little.
Title: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on February 17, 2012, 01:30:36 PM
He was supposed to be on the 94 team, but was a partial qualifier. He would have struggled to get PT that year. The senior year version of Nicky Davis might have played a little.
thought he was a partial on the 95 team and the thinking was if we had him to go against Edney, we win that game.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 17, 2012, 01:34:30 PM
thought he was a partial on the 95 team and the thinking was if we had him to go against Edney, we win that game.
Correct, he had to sit out the 1994-1995 season.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Swine Bluff on February 17, 2012, 03:05:23 PM
thought he was a partial on the 95 team and the thinking was if we had him to go against Edney, we win that game.
Yep. 94-95 was my freshman year. I must have killed enough brain cells to forget the entire year.  :stunned:
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Trigger7672 on February 17, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
thought he was a partial on the 95 team and the thinking was if we had him to go against Edney, we win that game.

Edney only played 3 minutes in that game. Toby Bailey and Ed O'Bannon are the guys who went off on us.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Tim Calhoun on February 17, 2012, 03:14:33 PM
everyone does that.. Edney did nothing against us.. Cameron Dollar was the replacement I think.  Come on guys when talking about Hog history we gotta get the parts right.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 17, 2012, 03:42:38 PM
All Edney really did was go coast to coast on Mizzou, just to put them in the Final Four.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 17, 2012, 04:00:21 PM


I hadn't even read this when I posted.  The thing is, if you judge just by message boards today, the overwhelming tone is that Broyles was racist and Richardson wasn't.  And 15 years ago, it was the exact opposite feeling.

What changed?  Broyles hired Nutt, so most people don't like him.  And Richardson quit saying stupid stuff (for the most part) after we let him go, so people forgot and forgave.
 

I've never thought either men were racist. Racism is hate and i've met both men and I didn't get that vibe from either. Both men are products of their times. Nolan saw some really fucked stuff growing up and being a fighter was what made him who he was, the problem is that he didn't have real enemy. Paw Paw got used to wielding total power in that program and meddled too much which had to irritate a man with as much pride as Nolan did. The fact is we had a number of idiots in our fanbase that crossed the line when Nolan first got here and he never forgot that.

I think the fact that some of the luster has worn off JFB's image has people looking at him in a more critical manner while the two idiotic hires since Red Boots left has people realizing just how good a coach we ran off.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Too Big Pig on February 17, 2012, 06:14:13 PM
All Edney really did was go coast to coast on Mizzou, just to put them in the Final Four.

That still sickens me knowing we would have demolished Mizzou (again).  I know it wasn't the 120-68 season, but we had already stomped them by 20 something earlier that season.
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Post by: Mike Slive on February 17, 2012, 06:28:59 PM
 

I've never thought either men were racist. Racism is hate and i've met both men and I didn't get that vibe from either. Both men are products of their times. Nolan saw some really fricked stuff growing up and being a fighter was what made him who he was, the problem is that he didn't have real enemy. Paw Paw got used to wielding total power in that program and meddled too much which had to irritate a man with as much pride as Nolan did. The fact is we had a number of idiots in our fanbase that crossed the line when Nolan first got here and he never forgot that.

I think the fact that some of the luster has worn off JFB's image has people looking at him in a more critical manner while the two idiotic hires since Red Boots left has people realizing just how good a coach we ran off.

I have always thought that both men were racist and it was because they were products of their time.  Do I think Frank was KKK racist full of the hate, never.  Do I think he probably thinks Nolan's shit stinks a little more than his because of his color, yes I do.  I realize that Frank ran off great white coaches with his ego and so maybe Frank just didn't like anyone having more success than he had. 

And how can Nolan not be racist and hate the white man?  Does he think all white people are the devil, probably not but a good portion for sure.  While he is pretty much spot on, he still didn't have to express those concerns to the national media and court rooms in the manner he did but I certainly can understand wanting to stick to the white man that kept me and my family back so many years. 

Both products of their time.  I bet Frank has used the N word a few times and in my view, that makes you racist even if you are not full of hate.  I bet Nolan has dreams of shanking a white man.   
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on February 17, 2012, 07:18:18 PM
I have always thought that both men were racist and it was because they were products of their time.  Do I think Frank was KKK racist full of the hate, never.  Do I think he probably thinks Nolan's shit stinks a little more than his because of his color, yes I do.  I realize that Frank ran off great white coaches with his ego and so maybe Frank just didn't like anyone having more success than he had. 

And how can Nolan not be racist and hate the white man?  Does he think all white people are the devil, probably not but a good portion for sure.  While he is pretty much spot on, he still didn't have to express those concerns to the national media and court rooms in the manner he did but I certainly can understand wanting to stick to the white man that kept me and my family back so many years. 

Both products of their time.  I bet Frank has used the N word a few times and in my view, that makes you racist even if you are not full of hate.  I bet Nolan has dreams of shanking a white man.


There is a difference between being racist and being prejudiced which people seem to forget these days. Everybody has various levels of prejudice about race and all kinds of things. Nolan doesn't hate all white men, just racist ass rednecks who did some ignorant shit like shooting his horse or all the vile hate mail. These people made convenient enemies for him when things weren't going well for him since he had a me vs the world attitude.

I don't think Frank hates black folk but I don't think he sees them as equals, just like both my grandfathers who felt the same way. If Frank hated black folks, he wouldn't have hired Nolan in the first place. If Nolan hated white folks, he wouldn't have taken the job here or would have left when a job in a big city opened up. He sure wouldn't have stayed in NWA after getting fired if he couldn't stand being around white people.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: KCHOGS on February 18, 2012, 05:55:35 AM
That still sickens me knowing we would have demolished Mizzou (again).  I know it wasn't the 120-68 season, but we had already stomped them by 20 something earlier that season.

I looked it up, but they would have been beaten by MissState or UCONN.  Mizzou has never made a final 4 and there's a reason for that.

The special is reairing at 7 this morning on ESPNU for anyone that hasn't caught it yet.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: ValpoCrusader on February 19, 2012, 09:58:51 PM
Has anyone tracked down what song that is yet? 
I've looked around and googlemotherfuckered and can't find it.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Ty Webb on February 19, 2012, 10:32:06 PM
All Edney really did was go coast to coast on Mizzou, just to put them in the Final Four.
I think that shot just put UCLA in the Elite 8. I remember it was the same day we played Syracuse and Moten gave us a gift with the timeout they didn't have. Maybe I am misremembering.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: ArkGuy on February 19, 2012, 11:38:26 PM
I think that shot just put UCLA in the Elite 8. I remember it was the same day we played Syracuse and Moten gave us a gift with the timeout they didn't have. Maybe I am misremembering.

Elite 8 was the following weekend after we played Syracuse, which was the 2nd round.  We played Memphis, then UVa in the 3rd and 4th rounds.












Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Too Big Pig on February 19, 2012, 11:48:54 PM
That still sickens me knowing we would have demolished Mizzou (again).  I know it wasn't the 120-68 season, but we had already stomped them by 20 something earlier that season.

And how memories fade. I really thought when I posted this that the UCLA-Mizzou game was much later like into the final four. But I am a dumbass, just looked it up and it was an 8 seed-1 seed matchup to go to the sweet 16.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Splurge on February 20, 2012, 08:33:26 AM
I think that shot just put UCLA in the Elite 8. I remember it was the same day we played Syracuse and Moten gave us a gift with the timeout they didn't have. Maybe I am misremembering.

Almost correct.  It put them in the Sweet 16.  We were playing Cuse and Moten in that Erwin shithole in Austin (right after we sweaked by Texas Southern).  They were playing Missou in Boise which probably still holds record for ugliest floor. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 20, 2012, 12:04:54 PM
Has anyone tracked down what song that is yet? 
I've looked around and googlemotherfuckered and can't find it.
What song?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 20, 2012, 02:52:34 PM
Jannero Pargo
Maybe Sunday Adebayo

no way.  both are overrated as Razorbacks, pargo due to his NBA success, and Adebayo b/c he was screwed by the NBA.  Neither held a candle to anyone on the top 5 of the 94 or 95 teams.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Pig on February 20, 2012, 03:49:15 PM
Guess you meant NCAA instead of NBA.
I've never seen a player regress as much as Sunday. Thought he might play in the league before he went to Memphis.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Rick B. on February 20, 2012, 04:51:50 PM
Almost correct.  It put them in the Sweet 16.  We were playing Cuse and Moten in that Erwin shithole in Austin (right after we sweaked by Texas Southern).  They were playing Missou in Boise which probably still holds record for ugliest floor.

I was at that game.  While I hated Texas fans prior to this game, and pretty much have hated Texas fans SINCE that game, that day, I never hated Texas fans more.  We were what, 4 or 5 seasons removed from the SWC and man those mothertruckers hated us.  They showed up EN MASSE just to root for Syracuse against us.  And after the game, they trash talked as if their team was playing.  My dad and I went to the game and afterwards, he had to restrain me numerous times when I wanted to go beat the shit out of some trash talking Longhorn fan.  Somehow, we made it to the car without any physical contact with anyone.  My fists were very mad at me because they wanted action so bad.  :)
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Clark on February 20, 2012, 06:23:59 PM
90's starting 5
Mayberry
Day
Thurman
Williamson
Miller

Bench:
Beck
McDaniel
Crawford
Hood
Roosevelt Wallace. Position: enforcer
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: The Red Death on February 20, 2012, 06:40:28 PM
90's starting 5
Mayberry
Day
Thurman
Williamson
Miller

Bench:
Beck
McDaniel
Crawford
Hood
Roosevelt Wallace. Position: enforcer

You better get Lenzie Howell in there somewhere.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Sweet River Baines on February 20, 2012, 06:50:30 PM
You better get Lenzie Howell in there somewhere.

And Ron Huery.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Splurge on February 20, 2012, 06:59:04 PM
90's starting 5
Mayberry
Day
Thurman
Williamson
Miller

Bench:
Beck
McDaniel
Crawford
Hood
Roosevelt Wallace. Position: enforcer

Great list.  Only differences I would make would be Howell and Hawk in for Crawford and Rosie.  Although, there's nothing wrong with your list.  I loved me some Rosie.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: BASS on February 20, 2012, 07:30:20 PM
90's starting 5
Mayberry
Day
Thurman
Williamson
Miller

Bench:
Beck
McDaniel
Crawford
Hood
Roosevelt Wallace. Position: enforcer

you don't have a pg on the starter's list.  day/thurman play the same position, I'd take Day and put thurman on the bench.  starting pg would be arlyn (sp?) bowers.  I think he was better than beck

starters
bowers
mayberry
day
williamson
miller

bench
beck
mcdaniel
thurman
heury
stewart
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Cerdo on February 20, 2012, 07:37:03 PM
no way.  both are overrated as Razorbacks, pargo due to his NBA success
You are insane.

Pargo essentially carried the team... Nolan got pissy with him because he always decided to take the shot, but he looked around at those teams and realized that the only baller was him. 

Pargo, to me, is the most underrated basketball player we've had in my time following the Hogs. 
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Clark on February 20, 2012, 07:53:45 PM
you don't have a pg on the starter's list.  day/thurman play the same position, I'd take Day and put thurman on the bench.  starting pg would be arlyn (sp?) bowers.  I think he was better than beck

starters
bowers
mayberry
day
williamson
miller

bench
beck
mcdaniel
thurman
heury
stewart
Uh, Lee Mayberry is my PG.

Ron Huery post flat tire/coke/Memphis was the same.

Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: KCHOGS on February 21, 2012, 08:46:31 AM
And Ron Huery.

And Ron Huery's fellow Tennesseer...Cannon Whitby.  He and Dillard would have defenses starting at half court.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 21, 2012, 11:11:54 AM
You are insane.

Pargo essentially carried the team... Nolan got pissy with him because he always decided to take the shot, but he looked around at those teams and realized that the only baller was him. 

Pargo, to me, is the most underrated basketball player we've had in my time following the Hogs.

I never thought he was that good.  He had a day against Florida that I'll never forget, but other than that, I can't name even one other game where I remember him.  He could shoot, but was inconsistent and couldn't drive and pull up real well.  But maybe it's because he played with marginal talent.  He definitely would have been much better on the mid-90's teams or even this year's team.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MDEM on February 21, 2012, 05:58:14 PM
I never thought he was that good.  He had a day against Florida that I'll never forget, but other than that, I can't name even one other game where I remember him.  He could shoot, but was inconsistent and couldn't drive and pull up real well.  But maybe it's because he played with marginal talent.  He definitely would have been much better on the mid-90's teams or even this year's team.

Pargo was phenomenal, and Adebayo was the real deal before the NCAA fucked us.  That kid had a future until he got uprooted and sent to the non-coaching morons at Memphis.

I almost put Pate on that list, as well.  With four years under Nolan and Mike's coaching he might have been a phenom.  We'll never know.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on February 21, 2012, 06:12:36 PM
I never thought he was that good. 

How many years has he played in the NBA? 

Yeah, he's not that good.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 21, 2012, 06:48:34 PM
Mayberry not a PG?

Wow, look at the shit that resulted from the thread I started.

There's a lesson in here somewhere.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Clark on February 21, 2012, 07:27:11 PM
Mayberry not a PG?

Wow, look at the shit that resulted from the thread I started.

There's a lesson in here somewhere.
Not only that, but SeaBass thinks Truck was better than Beck.

lolwtfbbq?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 21, 2012, 07:29:07 PM
Not only that, but SeaBass thinks Truck was better than Beck.

lolwtfbbq?

Motherfuckers be smokin' rock, nevermind that Whitney's dead?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: BASS on February 21, 2012, 07:48:26 PM
all you guys saying mayberry was a pg...

you serious clark? 

i was in jr high but i still paid a lot of attention to the hogs and watched them on teh teves religiously.  i'm pretty damn sure that 89-91 starting line up was something like this most of the time

1. bowers
2. mayberry
3. day
4. heury/credit/howell
5. miller
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on February 21, 2012, 07:51:16 PM
all you guys saying mayberry was a pg...

you serious clark? 

i was in jr high but i still paid a lot of attention to the hogs and watched them on teh teves religiously.  i'm pretty damn sure that 89-91 starting line up was something like this most of the time

1. bowers
2. mayberry
3. day
4. heury/credit/howell
5. miller

Yes, I'm seriously saying Mayberry could play the 1.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 21, 2012, 08:01:59 PM
When push came to shove Mayberry played the 1.

And he was the best MFing PG we've had. Ask Tom Penders.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Clark on February 21, 2012, 08:02:35 PM
all you guys saying mayberry was a pg...

you serious clark? 

i was in jr high but i still paid a lot of attention to the hogs and watched them on teh teves religiously.  i'm pretty damn sure that 89-91 starting line up was something like this most of the time

1. bowers
2. mayberry
3. day
4. heury/credit/howell
5. miller
That offense was run through Lee Mayberry. Bowers was a defensive spark plug and a nightmare for other teams, but the pill was either in Mayberry or Days hands.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: MDEM on February 21, 2012, 08:59:36 PM
all you guys saying mayberry was a pg...

you serious clark? 

i was in jr high but i still paid a lot of attention to the hogs and watched them on teh teves religiously.  i'm pretty damn sure that 89-91 starting line up was something like this most of the time

1. bowers
2. mayberry
3. day
4. heury/credit/howell
5. miller

Mayberry was the best point we've had since Boot.  Period.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Splurge on February 21, 2012, 09:06:16 PM
We've had some pretty retarded arguments on this board, but debating Mayberry was the best PG takes the cake.  This is not even a conversation, much less an argument.  Move on.  Nothing to see here.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 21, 2012, 09:11:40 PM
Most underrated player from the 90's IMO was Roger Crawford

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3105/3110925909_db58feb2d1.jpg)
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: ValpoCrusader on February 21, 2012, 11:14:35 PM
What song?

The rap song that was featured prominently throughout the documentary. 

I had never heard that song until the documentary, but it needs to be played pre-game.  Loudly.  Every game.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Starkville" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 22, 2012, 09:14:11 AM
The rap song that was featured prominently throughout the documentary. 

I had never heard that song until the documentary, but it needs to be played pre-game.  Loudly.  Every game.

Per the director, Kenan Harris-Holley:
Song was by a group from Carolina called "Dying Breed." Song called "Pressure Makes." On iTunes soon.
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Law_Hawg on February 22, 2012, 09:20:30 AM
all you guys saying mayberry was a pg...

you serious clark? 

i was in jr high but i still paid a lot of attention to the hogs and watched them on teh teves religiously.  i'm pretty damn sure that 89-91 starting line up was something like this most of the time

1. bowers
2. mayberry
3. day
4. heury/credit/howell
5. miller


Mayberry left the UA with 729 career assists.  At the time, that was the school record (only now surpassed by Kareem Reid's 748 from 1995-1999). 

He couldn't play PG?
Title: Re: "40 Minutes of Hell" ESPNU, 8p.m. Official Thread
Post by: Zoso on March 06, 2012, 08:20:00 PM
I just watched this for the first time and I just got one thing to say....

FUCK MITCH ALBOM!!!!!!!!