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Title: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 25, 2008, 08:34:37 AM
How many more years till we can officially declare Pujols the greatest baseball player ever?

Year  Tm    G    AB    R      H    2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA    OBP  SLG *OPS  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP     GDP
2001  STL  161  590  112  194  47  4   37  130   1  3  69   93  .329  .403  .610  157  360   1   7   6   9  21    SS,MVP-4,RoY-1,AS
2002  STL  157  590  118  185  40  2   34  127   2  4  72   69  .314  .394  .561  151  331   0   4  13   9  20    MVP-2
2003  STL  157  591  137  212  51  1   43  124   5  1  79   65  .359  .439  .667  187  394   0   5  12  10  13   SS,MVP-2,AS
2004  STL  154  592  133  196  51  2   46  123   5  5  84   52  .331  .415  .657  172  389   0   9  12   7  21    SS,MVP-3,AS
2005  STL  161  591  129  195  38  2   41  117  16  2  97  65  .330  .430  .609  168  360   0   3  27   9  19    MVP-1,AS
2006  STL  143  535  119  177  33  1   49  137   7  2  92   50  .331  .431  .671  178  359   0   3  28   4  20    MVP-2,AS
2007  STL  158  565   99  185  38   1   32  103   2  6  99   58  .327  .429  .568  157  321   0   8  22   7  27    MVP-9,AS
2008  STL   23   77    14   29     6   0    4   17    2  0  22     7  .377  .525  .610   200   47   0   0   6   2   1


I'm going to go for 3 more years.  Worst batting average ever is .314, least HR's 32, and most strikeouts ever was in his rookie season with 93.  And he's got a ring.

Crown his ass!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on April 25, 2008, 08:58:21 AM

I'm going to go for 3 more years.  Worst batting average ever is .314, least HR's 32, and most strikeouts ever was in his rookie season with 93.  And he's got a ring.

Crown his ass!

HE IS WHO WE THINK HE IS!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 25, 2008, 09:23:52 AM
HE IS WHO WE THINK HE IS!

Denny?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorhog72 on April 25, 2008, 09:47:00 AM
How many more years till we can officially declare Pujols the greatest baseball player ever?

Year  Tm    G    AB    R      H    2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA    OBP  SLG *OPS  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP     GDP
2001  STL  161  590  112  194  47  4   37  130   1  3  69   93  .329  .403  .610  157  360   1   7   6   9  21    SS,MVP-4,RoY-1,AS
2002  STL  157  590  118  185  40  2   34  127   2  4  72   69  .314  .394  .561  151  331   0   4  13   9  20    MVP-2
2003  STL  157  591  137  212  51  1   43  124   5  1  79   65  .359  .439  .667  187  394   0   5  12  10  13   SS,MVP-2,AS
2004  STL  154  592  133  196  51  2   46  123   5  5  84   52  .331  .415  .657  172  389   0   9  12   7  21    SS,MVP-3,AS
2005  STL  161  591  129  195  38  2   41  117  16  2  97  65  .330  .430  .609  168  360   0   3  27   9  19    MVP-1,AS
2006  STL  143  535  119  177  33  1   49  137   7  2  92   50  .331  .431  .671  178  359   0   3  28   4  20    MVP-2,AS
2007  STL  158  565   99  185  38   1   32  103   2  6  99   58  .327  .429  .568  157  321   0   8  22   7  27    MVP-9,AS
2008  STL   23   77    14   29     6   0    4   17    2  0  22     7  .377  .525  .610   200   47   0   0   6   2   1


I'm going to go for 3 more years.  Worst batting average ever is .314, least HR's 32, and most strikeouts ever was in his rookie season with 93.  And he's got a ring.

Crown his ass!


Steroids.. :nono:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on April 25, 2008, 09:55:01 AM
Steroids.. :nono:
Wrong.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 25, 2008, 10:24:55 AM
Steroids.. :nono:

you have ANYTHING to back this up, retard?

Pujols ain't on steroids, he's just a freak.

And he will one day go down as the GREATEST if he stays healthy and the Cards at least stay competitive.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 25, 2008, 11:00:05 AM
Pujols has always had that power... it wasn't some mid-career astonishing jump in power totals.

And steroids don't keep your average around .330 for your career.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 25, 2008, 11:06:42 AM
in related cards news, if you didn't see the game yesterday, you really need to see sportscenter.  play of the friggin decade.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 25, 2008, 11:08:57 AM
How can a two tool player be considered the best ever?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on April 25, 2008, 11:19:26 AM
in related cards news, if you didn't see the game yesterday, you really need to see sportscenter.  play of the friggin decade.

I guess you're talking about Pineiro's play on the linedrive, it was a highlight.  Here it is on mlb's site.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200804242582956
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 25, 2008, 11:24:35 AM
My favorite photo.  The look on Lidge's face is priceless.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: phead2903 on April 25, 2008, 11:38:21 AM
I am a huge Cubs fan and think Derek Lee is the best we have ever had at 1st base ( I don't count Ernie as a 1B man), but I think Albert Pujols is the best hitter player in MLB.  I know he was just voted the most feared hitter in a poll of MLB GM's on ESPN's website.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on April 25, 2008, 11:51:59 AM
How can a two tool player be considered the best ever?

Think of who his fans are.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 25, 2008, 11:54:34 AM
I know he was just voted the most feared hitter in a poll of MLB GM's on ESPN's website.

This is good information to have the next time a General Manager toes the rubber.

Thanks, ESPN!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on April 25, 2008, 01:43:42 PM
My favorite photo.  The look on Lidge's face is priceless.

That is still the most fun I've ever had watching a baseball game on the TeeVee.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on April 25, 2008, 01:55:50 PM
How many more years till we can officially declare Pujols the greatest baseball player ever?

Year  Tm    G    AB    R      H    2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA    OBP  SLG *OPS  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP     GDP
2001  STL  161  590  112  194  47  4   37  130   1  3  69   93  .329  .403  .610  157  360   1   7   6   9  21    SS,MVP-4,RoY-1,AS
2002  STL  157  590  118  185  40  2   34  127   2  4  72   69  .314  .394  .561  151  331   0   4  13   9  20    MVP-2
2003  STL  157  591  137  212  51  1   43  124   5  1  79   65  .359  .439  .667  187  394   0   5  12  10  13   SS,MVP-2,AS
2004  STL  154  592  133  196  51  2   46  123   5  5  84   52  .331  .415  .657  172  389   0   9  12   7  21    SS,MVP-3,AS
2005  STL  161  591  129  195  38  2   41  117  16  2  97  65  .330  .430  .609  168  360   0   3  27   9  19    MVP-1,AS
2006  STL  143  535  119  177  33  1   49  137   7  2  92   50  .331  .431  .671  178  359   0   3  28   4  20    MVP-2,AS
2007  STL  158  565   99  185  38   1   32  103   2  6  99   58  .327  .429  .568  157  321   0   8  22   7  27    MVP-9,AS
2008  STL   23   77    14   29     6   0    4   17    2  0  22     7  .377  .525  .610   200   47   0   0   6   2   1


I'm going to go for 3 more years.  Worst batting average ever is .314, least HR's 32, and most strikeouts ever was in his rookie season with 93.  And he's got a ring.

Crown his ass!



Suck our ass.

Sincerely,

Jimmie Foxx and Lou Gehrig   
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on April 25, 2008, 02:01:12 PM
Stick Pujols in 1935 and see what happens.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hog X on April 25, 2008, 02:04:50 PM
Stick Pujols in 1935 and see what happens.

He would be shining shoes because he wouldn't be allowed to play baseball because of that whole ethnic thing?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 25, 2008, 02:19:30 PM
My favorite photo.  The look on Lidge's face is priceless.
I like the photo from that vantage point immediately after Pujols' swing.  George HW Bush is looking at his wife with this WTF-face, and she looks like she is about to cry.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 25, 2008, 02:20:24 PM
How can a two tool player be considered the best ever?
When his two tools are kicking ass and taking names.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on April 25, 2008, 02:25:32 PM
He would be shining shoes because he wouldn't be allowed to play baseball because of that whole ethnic thing?
Your knowledge of history sucks.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 25, 2008, 02:27:41 PM
Stick Pujols in 1935 and see what happens.

When his two tools are kicking ass and taking names.

Let's see him put together two seasons winning over 20 games and pitching 300+ innings to go along with those nice hitting stats like a certain man did or win games with his legs and defense also because there are guys who have done more than just hit the ball. When he manages to hit .400 or higher in a season you maybe could put him in the same breath as Ted Williams. I don't but this whole nonsense that modern guys would crush everybody in the 30's, this ain't football.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 25, 2008, 02:39:55 PM
Let's see him put together two seasons winning over 20 games and pitching 300+ innings to go along with those nice hitting stats like a certain man did or win games with his legs and defense also because there are guys who have done more than just hit the ball. When he manages to hit .400 or higher in a season you maybe could put him in the same breath as Ted Williams. I don't but this whole nonsense that modern guys would crush everybody in the 30's, this ain't football.
You can't compare stats from a vastly different time period.

Plus, Pujols as regarded as one of, if not the, best defensive 1b. He was an above average defender at 3b and LF. How many full-time 1b do you see with the ability to move over and play 2b when needed?

Current elbow issues aside, he's traditionally had a great arm as well.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on April 25, 2008, 02:45:05 PM
You can't compare stats from a vastly different time period.

Plus, Pujols as regarded as one of, if not the, best defensive 1b. He was an above average defender at 3b and LF. How many full-time 1b do you see with the ability to move over and play 2b when needed?

Current elbow issues aside, he's traditionally had a great arm as well.

How's it going?

(http://rapidcityjournal.com/blogs/sports/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/01.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 25, 2008, 03:13:27 PM
You can't compare stats from a vastly different time period.

Plus, Pujols as regarded as one of, if not the, best defensive 1b. He was an above average defender at 3b and LF. How many full-time 1b do you see with the ability to move over and play 2b when needed?

Current elbow issues aside, he's traditionally had a great arm as well.

I can compare the fact that Babe Ruth pitched also besides hitting. Pujols is a great hitter no doubt but he's not stealing games defensively like Mays did. Best ever is a long ways away from being given to him. If he maintains this type of average and breaks the all time HR record maybe we can talk.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hog X on April 25, 2008, 03:18:36 PM
Your knowledge of history sucks.

I'll talk out of my ass as I please.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on April 25, 2008, 03:20:34 PM
I'll talk out of my ass as I please.

We will NEVER let the facts get in the way of a good, humorous argument on teh Woppussy.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 25, 2008, 03:24:57 PM
I can compare the fact that Babe Ruth pitched also besides hitting. Pujols is a great hitter no doubt but he's not stealing games defensively like Mays did. Best ever is a long ways away from being given to him. If he maintains this type of average and breaks the all time HR record maybe we can talk.

Best of his generation?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 25, 2008, 03:46:02 PM
I can compare the fact that Babe Ruth pitched also besides hitting. Pujols is a great hitter no doubt but he's not stealing games defensively like Mays did. Best ever is a long ways away from being given to him. If he maintains this type of average and breaks the all time HR record maybe we can talk.
I'm not saying I think he is the best ever right now.

He has the potential to be.


That's a LONG ways from actually being the best ever.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 25, 2008, 03:47:32 PM
Best of his generation?

If he continues at current pacing, it will be ARod and then Pujols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 25, 2008, 03:49:45 PM
Best of his generation?

Depends on how ARod finishes his career but a case can be made for that claim.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 25, 2008, 03:52:21 PM
Depends on how ARod finishes his career but a case can be made for that claim.
and I do agree with you and Alpharetta there.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 25, 2008, 04:28:53 PM
Most consistent then.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 25, 2008, 04:34:37 PM
Most consistent then.

Thanks, Joe Morgan.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 25, 2008, 05:15:57 PM
I can compare the fact that Babe Ruth pitched also besides hitting.

I guess he ran pretty good for a fat boy.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on April 25, 2008, 05:19:38 PM
How many more years till we can officially declare Pujols the greatest baseball player ever?

Year  Tm    G    AB    R      H    2B  3B  HR  RBI  SB CS  BB  SO   BA    OBP  SLG *OPS  TB   SH  SF IBB HBP     GDP
2001  STL  161  590  112  194  47  4   37  130   1  3  69   93  .329  .403  .610  157  360   1   7   6   9  21    SS,MVP-4,RoY-1,AS
2002  STL  157  590  118  185  40  2   34  127   2  4  72   69  .314  .394  .561  151  331   0   4  13   9  20    MVP-2
2003  STL  157  591  137  212  51  1   43  124   5  1  79   65  .359  .439  .667  187  394   0   5  12  10  13   SS,MVP-2,AS
2004  STL  154  592  133  196  51  2   46  123   5  5  84   52  .331  .415  .657  172  389   0   9  12   7  21    SS,MVP-3,AS
2005  STL  161  591  129  195  38  2   41  117  16  2  97  65  .330  .430  .609  168  360   0   3  27   9  19    MVP-1,AS
2006  STL  143  535  119  177  33  1   49  137   7  2  92   50  .331  .431  .671  178  359   0   3  28   4  20    MVP-2,AS
2007  STL  158  565   99  185  38   1   32  103   2  6  99   58  .327  .429  .568  157  321   0   8  22   7  27    MVP-9,AS
2008  STL   23   77    14   29     6   0    4   17    2  0  22     7  .377  .525  .610   200   47   0   0   6   2   1


I'm going to go for 3 more years.  Worst batting average ever is .314, least HR's 32, and most strikeouts ever was in his rookie season with 93.  And he's got a ring.

Crown his ass!

wow, please remove alberts penis from your mouf ...pronto.

the dude is good, BUT greatest ever. PLEASE
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 25, 2008, 05:37:58 PM
Greatest first 7 years ever, probably.  Greatest Cardinal ever, maybe.  Greatest of all time, too soon to say.  Probably won't win that poll outside of the heartland even at the end of his career.  But I am damned happy he is a Card.

Several legendary players through the same phase in their careers.  (baseball reference dot com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=pujolal01:Albert+Pujols&st=int&compage=27&age=27))
Sim  Player              From  To Yrs   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB   SO    BA   OBP   SLG   SB   CS OPS

 Albert Pujols       2001-2007  7 1091  4054  847 1344 298  13 282  861  592  452  .332  .420  .620   38  23  167
 883* Joe DiMaggio        1936-1942  7  979  3978  858 1349 243  82 219  930  404  196  .339  .403  .607   25   7  159
 880* Jimmie Foxx         1925-1935 11 1256  4397  975 1492 257  79 302 1075  781  644  .339  .440  .640   48  41  174
 876* Frank Robinson      1956-1963  8 1190  4377  831 1327 247  39 262  800  549  622  .303  .389  .557  125  43  148
 875  Ken Griffey         1989-1997  9 1214  4593  820 1389 261  24 294  872  580  755  .302  .381  .562  123  48  150
 869* Hank Aaron          1954-1961  8 1194  4717  829 1506 264  67 253  863  397  442  .319  .371  .565   57  25  153
 850* Mickey Mantle       1951-1959  9 1246  4478  994 1392 208  54 280  841  892  899  .311  .425  .569   98  25  173
 849  Hal Trosky          1933-1940  8 1035  4055  715 1274 270  53 205  860  405  352  .314  .378  .559   20  16  136
 847  Vladimir Guerrero   1996-2003  8 1004  3763  641 1215 226  34 234  702  381  484  .323  .390  .588  123  71  148
 840* Lou Gehrig          1923-1930  8  921  3327  774 1139 248  89 187  811  581  414  .342  .443  .639   42  45  180
 826* Orlando Cepeda      1958-1965  8 1095  4129  647 1272 224  22 223  752  255  625  .308  .352  .535   92  45  140
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 25, 2008, 05:50:31 PM
I guess he ran pretty good for a fat boy.

He went 13-7 with a 2.22 era and 166 IP plus hit .300 11 hr's 11 3b's 26 2b's and 66 rbi's in 317 ab's that year. Let me know when somebody can duplicate that. People like to dismiss players from that era but it sure took a long time to break his HR records and it took roided up freaks to break them again.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 25, 2008, 08:12:10 PM
Greatest first 7 years ever, probably.  Greatest Cardinal ever, maybe.  Greatest of all time, too soon to say.  Probably won't win that poll outside of the heartland even at the end of his career.  But I am damned happy he is a Card.

Several legendary players through the same phase in their careers.  (baseball reference dot com (http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/scomp.cgi?I=pujolal01:Albert+Pujols&st=int&compage=27&age=27))
Sim  Player              From  To Yrs   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB   SO    BA   OBP   SLG   SB   CS OPS

 Albert Pujols       2001-2007  7 1091  4054  847 1344 298  13 282  861  592  452  .332  .420  .620   38  23  167
 883* Joe DiMaggio        1936-1942  7  979  3978  858 1349 243  82 219  930  404  196  .339  .403  .607   25   7  159
 880* Jimmie Foxx         1925-1935 11 1256  4397  975 1492 257  79 302 1075  781  644  .339  .440  .640   48  41  174
 876* Frank Robinson      1956-1963  8 1190  4377  831 1327 247  39 262  800  549  622  .303  .389  .557  125  43  148
 875  Ken Griffey         1989-1997  9 1214  4593  820 1389 261  24 294  872  580  755  .302  .381  .562  123  48  150
 869* Hank Aaron          1954-1961  8 1194  4717  829 1506 264  67 253  863  397  442  .319  .371  .565   57  25  153
 850* Mickey Mantle       1951-1959  9 1246  4478  994 1392 208  54 280  841  892  899  .311  .425  .569   98  25  173
 849  Hal Trosky          1933-1940  8 1035  4055  715 1274 270  53 205  860  405  352  .314  .378  .559   20  16  136
 847  Vladimir Guerrero   1996-2003  8 1004  3763  641 1215 226  34 234  702  381  484  .323  .390  .588  123  71  148
 840* Lou Gehrig          1923-1930  8  921  3327  774 1139 248  89 187  811  581  414  .342  .443  .639   42  45  180
 826* Orlando Cepeda      1958-1965  8 1095  4129  647 1272 224  22 223  752  255  625  .308  .352  .535   92  45  140


That's some pretty impresive company.

Of non-active players, I'd say Mays, Ruth, Cobb, in that order.

TEd Wiliams and Bob Feller both missed several years in their prime for WWII and, in Williams' case, Korea.

By the way, Ruth said the greatest hitter he ever saw was Joe Jackson.  Were his recods not erased, he'd have the third highest BA of all time.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Sweet River Baines on April 25, 2008, 08:44:31 PM
He went 13-7 with a 2.22 era and 166 IP plus hit .300 11 hr's 11 3b's 26 2b's and 66 rbi's in 317 ab's that year. Let me know when somebody can duplicate that. People like to dismiss players from that era but it sure took a long time to break his HR records and it took roided up freaks to break them again.

Plus, Ruth swung anywhere from 40 to 54 ounce bat during his career. Let's see Pujols swing a 50 ounce bat and hit 40 hrs.  O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 25, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
The teams in the Ruth era had 3 or 4 man rotations and pitchers routinely pitched complete games.  Guys would throw upwards of 20 complete games in a season.  I guaran-damn tee ya Ruth and Cobb and a lot of first half of the 20th century legends faced a lot of worn down shitty ass pitching.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on April 25, 2008, 09:15:07 PM
He went 13-7 with a 2.22 era and 166 IP plus hit .300 11 hr's 11 3b's 26 2b's and 66 rbi's in 317 ab's that year. Let me know when somebody can duplicate that. People like to dismiss players from that era but it sure took a long time to break his HR records and it took roided up freaks to break them again.

Maris did it w/o roids.

Still the champ.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Sweet River Baines on April 25, 2008, 09:24:00 PM
The teams in the Ruth era had 3 or 4 man rotations and pitchers routinely pitched complete games.  Guys would throw upwards of 20 complete games in a season.  I guaran-damn tee ya Ruth and Cobb and a lot of first half of the 20th century legends faced a lot of worn down shitty ass pitching.

They also had no trainers, no weight training to speak of, and traveled on trains. Oh yeah, they all had regular jobs during the summer too.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Snorts on April 25, 2008, 10:01:08 PM
Ruth faced legal spitballs.

Jackson never experienced the inevitable fall off of late career that nearly all the other 'greats' did.  He was banned before he got old.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Return of the Hogi on April 25, 2008, 10:11:23 PM
How can a two tool player be considered the best ever?

How do you call him a two tool player?  He is very good with the glove, and has a good arm for a 1b.  I dont know if he can run or not, but I do know that his fielding, running, and throwing compares to any first baseman out there.  His hitting for power and average are among the best of all time, but that doesnt make him a two tool player. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: tgp2585 on April 25, 2008, 10:38:24 PM
I do not buy for a second the argument about the pitchers being tired.  First of all, there is absolutely no evidence to support that, given that ERA's were consistantly lower.  Are you really trying to say that Ruth had an advantage because he faced one of the 48 best pitchers in the game (16 Teams X 3 Starters) while they may have been slightly gassed?  Compare that to the hitters of today facing one of the best 150 pitchers in the game (30 teams X 5).  I promise you a tired Walter Johnson was a hundred times better than an energized Jason Marquis.  That's not even to mention the middle relief duds that pitch so much now who would have never even sniffed the big leagues back then. 

Besides all that, the parks were HUGE.  Pujols has not even come close to being the power hitter that Ruth was all while playing in much smaller parks.  There's a book out right now where a guy, who I will admit probably had way too much time on his hands, went back and predicted that playing in today's parks, Babe Ruth would have hit 104 home runs in 1927. 

Why is this even an argument?  Ruth has a career line of .342/.474/.690 for a career OPS of 1.164.  Pujols has a career line of .332/.442/.620 for an OPS of 1.042.  Not really all that close, although closer than most.  But even if they were even, Pujols would then need to go pitch three shutouts in the World Series to say he was in Ruth's league. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 25, 2008, 11:44:47 PM
I do not buy for a second the argument about the pitchers being tired.  First of all, there is absolutely no evidence to support that, given that ERA's were consistantly lower.  Are you really trying to say that Ruth had an advantage because he faced one of the 48 best pitchers in the game (16 Teams X 3 Starters) while they may have been slightly gassed?  Compare that to the hitters of today facing one of the best 150 pitchers in the game (30 teams X 5).  I promise you a tired Walter Johnson was a hundred times better than an energized Jason Marquis.  That's not even to mention the middle relief duds that pitch so much now who would have never even sniffed the big leagues back then. 

Besides all that, the parks were HUGE.  Pujols has not even come close to being the power hitter that Ruth was all while playing in much smaller parks.  There's a book out right now where a guy, who I will admit probably had way too much time on his hands, went back and predicted that playing in today's parks, Babe Ruth would have hit 104 home runs in 1927. 

Why is this even an argument?  Ruth has a career line of .342/.474/.690 for a career OPS of 1.164.  Pujols has a career line of .332/.442/.620 for an OPS of 1.042.  Not really all that close, although closer than most.  But even if they were even, Pujols would then need to go pitch three shutouts in the World Series to say he was in Ruth's league. 

You've been waiting for weeks, perhaps months, for the conversation to turn to an appropriate topic for you to make your first post.  Then ...

BOOM .... you pounce.

The first and third points are excellent, which is to say I agree with them.  However ...

The parks were not all huge and some that had huge deminsions in one or two areas were shorter elsewhere.  For example, Ruth's right field was 295 down the line while Death Vallley was originally 460 to left center.  Ruth and the Yankees played in the Polo Grounds until '23.  Shaped like a giant bathtub, it was over 500 to dead center but less than 260 down the lines.  And when Yankee Stadium was built, most parks seated fewer than 40,000, like Fenway.  Pretty much shaped like now.  So they weren't all that hard to hit homers in, once they modernized the ball.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 26, 2008, 12:07:47 AM
You've got so many different factors to figure in from vastly different eras of the game...

It's like saying that Bobby Jones would smoke Tiger Woods with today's golf equipment and fitting technology.


The use of videotape and scouting for specific weaknesses on a pitching staff and in specific hitters is so specialized and technical now. I'm not saying that Cy Young would get run off the mound today, just that we have no fucking clue. Guys often never figured out pitchers like that because the only scouting they did was eyeballs and memories of past AB's. The difference was guys like Ruth who had such amazing hand-eye coordination and instincts in terms of anticipating pitches in certain counts that made them so special. Who knows what he would do today against someone as mediocre as a Jason Marquis, who has the availability of hours of video tape and the opportunity to analyze each AB that a hitter has ever taken.

It's an apples and oranges comparison. It's fun to compare stats and eras and such in baseball just because of all the statistics available and factors to take into consideration... you'll never get anywhere though. Someone like a Vladmir Guerrero would probably thrive in yesteryears... but we'll never know for sure.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on April 26, 2008, 01:39:07 AM
How do you call him a two tool player?  He is very good with the glove, and has a good arm for a 1b.  I dont know if he can run or not, but I do know that his fielding, running, and throwing compares to any first baseman out there.  His hitting for power and average are among the best of all time, but that doesnt make him a two tool player. 

Throwing?  Where the fuck does he throw, back to the mound?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 26, 2008, 01:41:08 AM
The teams in the Ruth era had 3 or 4 man rotations and pitchers routinely pitched complete games.  Guys would throw upwards of 20 complete games in a season.  I guaran-damn tee ya Ruth and Cobb and a lot of first half of the 20th century legends faced a lot of worn down shitty ass pitching.

Ok... you want to go there? With so many teams now how many legit MLB quality pitchers do batters face when not playing a big market team?


Maris did it w/o roids.

Still the champ.

I wasn't refering to him or Hank.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 26, 2008, 01:47:21 AM
How do you call him a two tool player?  He is very good with the glove, and has a good arm for a 1b.  I dont know if he can run or not, but I do know that his fielding, running, and throwing compares to any first baseman out there.  His hitting for power and average are among the best of all time, but that doesnt make him a two tool player. 

Give me a fucking break. He's a decent fielder but he wasn't a Schmidt or Robinson when he was at third.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 26, 2008, 02:44:54 AM
Give me a fucking break. He's a decent fielder but he wasn't a Schmidt or Robinson when he was at third.
No but he was pretty good... the only reason he was ever moved was to make way for Scott Rolen, who StL got in a fleecing for a Polanco and Bud Smith.

...and Pujols is a far better hitter than either of those... no one is saying he's the greatest fielder alive, just that he's not a "two tool player."  He's a four tool player at the very least. His baserunning is good, but running through stop signs and such will lead me to not giving him that quality as a "tool."
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Return of the Hogi on April 26, 2008, 03:20:57 AM
Give me a fricking break. He's a decent fielder but he wasn't a Schmidt or Robinson when he was at third.

1st, should have said he is on a GOAT pace.  2nd, who gives a fuck about the hour and a half Pujols played 3rd base?  If you are going to define the value of one of the five tools a player has to offer, you have to give full consideration to the position he plays for the meat of his career.  I am going to admit I dont know as much as I should to dive into this argument to say this, I didnt even know he played 3rd base, evar, but if he did, he has a damn good arm which means he is at least terrific 4 tool player for a 1st baseman playing a traditionally 2 tool position. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 26, 2008, 10:40:31 AM
1st, should have said he is on a GOAT pace.  2nd, who gives a fuck about the hour and a half Pujols played 3rd base?  If you are going to define the value of one of the five tools a player has to offer, you have to give full consideration to the position he plays for the meat of his career.  I am going to admit I dont know as much as I should to dive into this argument to say this, I didnt even know he played 3rd base, evar, but if he did, he has a damn good arm which means he is at least terrific 4 tool player for a 1st baseman playing a traditionally 2 tool position. 

He's had double digit steals (16) in a season, typically averaging 6 a season.  That's a strike against speed.

He was an error generator at 3rd, with 16 errors in 96 games.  He's at first because they're hiding his glove, plain and simple.  That's a strike against fielding.

Arm strength isn't there either, considering his assist numbers when he played in typical fielding positions; in over 300 games in the outfield, he had 17 assists.

Pumpkin is dead-on... the guy is a two-tool player.  Phenomenal at those two, certainly, but he is not the complete package.  ARod is the modern guy on the pace to be GOAT.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on April 26, 2008, 11:03:14 AM
He's had double digit steals (16) in a season, typically averaging 6 a season.  That's a strike against speed.

He was an error generator at 3rd, with 16 errors in 96 games.  He's at first because they're hiding his glove, plain and simple.  That's a strike against fielding.

Arm strength isn't there either, considering his assist numbers when he played in typical fielding positions; in over 300 games in the outfield, he had 17 assists.

Pumpkin is dead-on... the guy is a two-tool player.  Phenomenal at those two, certainly, but he is not the complete package.  ARod is the modern guy on the pace to be GOAT.

I know he couldnt throw the ball from left field to 2nd without bouncing it in.




































But that was on my PS2 game.   
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 26, 2008, 11:06:40 AM
But that was on my PS2 game.   

Cooperstown now exclusively relies on the opinions of Joe Morgan, Tim McCarver, and simulated PS2 games to decide on HOF candidates.

So really, you were ahead of the curve.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 26, 2008, 12:19:17 PM
The parks were not all huge and some that had huge deminsions in one or two areas were shorter elsewhere.  For example, Ruth's right field was 295 down the line while Death Vallley was originally 460 to left center.  Ruth and the Yankees played in the Polo Grounds until '23.  Shaped like a giant bathtub, it was over 500 to dead center but less than 260 down the lines.  And when Yankee Stadium was built, most parks seated fewer than 40,000, like Fenway.  Pretty much shaped like now.  So they weren't all that hard to hit homers in, once they modernized the ball.

If it so easy then why was Babe hitting so much more of them in the early 20's than anybody else?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 26, 2008, 01:35:14 PM
If it so easy then why was Babe hitting so much more of them in the early 20's than anybody else?

If you look strictly at accomplishments, it's Ruth all day long.  He hit more homers in one season than any team in the league combined.  He was a dominant pitcher, AND the best SLUGGER ever.

But let's be honest...with the training, supplements, knowledge of kinesiology, junior development etc etc we have now, the athletes are far superior, plus of course the natural evolution as the game responds to expanded understanding, experimentation and study.  If you drop Jason marquis in the 30's or 40's he probably becomes the best pitcher in the game.  What would guys like Ty Cobb have done with our current development system?  THAT is a great discussion.  But if you don't think you could drop Pujols AS HE IS into the 1940's-50's and see numbers that are plain embarrassing, I think you're being naive.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 26, 2008, 01:40:06 PM
But if you don't think you could drop Pujols AS HE IS into the 1940's-50's and see numbers that are plain embarrassing, I think you're being naive.

I think you're missing some of the points previously brought up... between expansion, dead-ball era, and travel issues, I don't think he's going to go ape-shit against those lineups.  Would he do well?  Certainly.. but I don't think he's going to "Playstation" the game in that era.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 26, 2008, 01:42:26 PM
Ok... you want to go there? With so many teams now how many legit MLB quality pitchers do batters face when not playing a big market team?

The level of pitching in relation to the level of batting has remained more or less constant with a few spikes here and there.  Any time pitching gets too good they do something like lower the mound or tighten the winding of the balls or shrink the parks.  

My point is that I believe that a change in philosophy creates a situation where you don't let a pitcher gut it out or pitch his way out of a jam and they never pitch on the same amount of rest that they did back then.  I wonder if they'd had radar guns back then what a Dizzy Dean would have been throwing in the 9th inning on his 23rd complete game of the season on 3 days rest.  I have a feeling that any setup man in the league these days would have comparable heat.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 26, 2008, 01:44:08 PM
If you look strictly at accomplishments, it's Ruth all day long.  He hit more homers in one season than any team in the league combined.  He was a dominant pitcher, AND the best SLUGGER ever.

But let's be honest...with the training, supplements, knowledge of kinesiology, junior development etc etc we have now, the athletes are far superior, plus of course the natural evolution as the game responds to expanded understanding, experimentation and study.  If you drop Jason marquis in the 30's or 40's he probably becomes the best pitcher in the game.  What would guys like Ty Cobb have done with our current development system?  THAT is a great discussion.  But if you don't think you could drop Pujols AS HE IS into the 1940's-50's and see numbers that are plain embarrassing, I think you're being naive.

Sorry but you're being naive. Marquis would not be the best pitcher back then because there is more to pitching than simply athletic ability. That's why you see so many busts even today. There were guys back in the day with stuff and knew how to pitch not simply throw which you see today. You can't compare the eras because guys like Pujols wouldn't benefit from all the improved training and you can't knock guys like Ruth and Cobb because I have no doubt if you raised them up today they would still rise to the top. Baseball isn't football and hand to eye coordination is something you either have or not and vitamins and roids don't have anything to do with that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 26, 2008, 01:49:42 PM
The level of pitching in relation to the level of batting has remained more or less constant with a few spikes here and there.  Any time pitching gets too good they do something like lower the mound or tighten the winding of the balls or shrink the parks.  

My point is that I believe that a change in philosophy creates a situation where you don't let a pitcher gut it out or pitch his way out of a jam and they never pitch on the same amount of rest that they did back then.  I wonder if they'd had radar guns back then what a Dizzy Dean would have been throwing in the 9th inning on his 23rd complete game of the season on 3 days rest.  I have a feeling that any setup man in the league these days would have comparable heat.

There is more to pitching than how hard you throw. You have to realize that back in the day they actually had a strike zone and without a batting helmet guys couldn't crowd the plate so I doubt they had to throw as many pitches and they had to throw pitches they could control since they weren't going to get bailed out with a large bullpen. Guys with stuff could pitch in any era.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 26, 2008, 02:17:15 PM
Sorry but you're being naive. Marquis would not be the best pitcher back then because there is more to pitching than simply athletic ability. That's why you see so many busts even today. There were guys back in the day with stuff and knew how to pitch not simply throw which you see today. You can't compare the eras because guys like Pujols wouldn't benefit from all the improved training and you can't knock guys like Ruth and Cobb because I have no doubt if you raised them up today they would still rise to the top. Baseball isn't football and hand to eye coordination is something you either have or not and vitamins and roids don't have anything to do with that.

The bolded part was my point.  In the same way that George Mikan OF THE 40'S would be hurting in today's NBA, the Ty Cobb OF THE 20'S would not be as awesome in MLB today.  Let him work with today's physics and kinesiology experts in the field of sports dynamics, it's a good discussion.  However, dominance is dominance.  Babe Ruth is the most dominant figure in sport's history, save maybe Gretzky, period.  But how would he figure against pitchers like Randy Johnson?  A lot of that would depend on if he was given the opportunity to modernize with all the advantages today's athletes have.

And to Alpharetta, my argument isn't that they're better today because they are better athletes. That is PART of it, but a larger part is the multi-tiered development system, the propulsion of experience and knowledge driven by an international talent pool, and the 60 years of evolution of the game built solely on the experience and experimentation of what works and what doesn't.

What the old boys would do with today's advantages we could go on about all day.  But I don't see how anyone could think today's players, with all the inbred advantages they have, wouldn't dominate if dropped, as is, 40-70 years ago.

And I am no baseball expert, but I am a Cards fan.  So God knows I am not THE source in this argument.  But as you look at the numbers, Pujols has had as good a start as anyone, EVAR.  As I said earlier, he has to stay healthy and the Cards have to stay competitive.  A decade ago, we all thought Griffey ould topple records at will.  Only time wil tell.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 26, 2008, 02:32:54 PM
Are today's athletes better today? Sure but there were athletic freaks back then also. Bobby Hull and Bobby Orr would be great players today because hockey just like baseball has things going on that don't have to do with how quick twitch your muscles are.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Humphrey BOARgart on April 26, 2008, 02:51:19 PM
Sim  Player              From  To Yrs   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB   SO    BA   OBP   SLG   SB   CS OPS

 Albert Pujols       2001-2007  7 1091  4054  847 1344 298  13 282  861  592  452  .332  .420  .620   38  23  167
 883* Joe DiMaggio        1936-1942  7  979  3978  858 1349 243  82 219  930  404  196  .339  .403  .607   25   7  159
 880* Jimmie Foxx         1925-1935 11 1256  4397  975 1492 257  79 302 1075  781  644  .339  .440  .640   48  41  174
 876* Frank Robinson      1956-1963  8 1190  4377  831 1327 247  39 262  800  549  622  .303  .389  .557  125  43  148
 875  Ken Griffey         1989-1997  9 1214  4593  820 1389 261  24 294  872  580  755  .302  .381  .562  123  48  150
 869* Hank Aaron          1954-1961  8 1194  4717  829 1506 264  67 253  863  397  442  .319  .371  .565   57  25  153
 850* Mickey Mantle       1951-1959  9 1246  4478  994 1392 208  54 280  841  892  899  .311  .425  .569   98  25  173
 849  Hal Trosky          1933-1940  8 1035  4055  715 1274 270  53 205  860  405  352  .314  .378  .559   20  16  136
 847  Vladimir Guerrero   1996-2003  8 1004  3763  641 1215 226  34 234  702  381  484  .323  .390  .588  123  71  148
 840* Lou Gehrig          1923-1930  8  921  3327  774 1139 248  89 187  811  581  414  .342  .443  .639   42  45  180
 826* Orlando Cepeda      1958-1965  8 1095  4129  647 1272 224  22 223  752  255  625  .308  .352  .535   92  45  140

Do you honestly expect people to read this aMm?

Put it in a spreadsheet or something. Some columns for people to follow, not just a mass of numbers.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: cotte on April 26, 2008, 04:48:04 PM
EVERYBODY knows the greatest player ever was Jose Canseco!

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pig on April 26, 2008, 06:51:55 PM
sample use of the Courier font:
Several legendary players through the same phase in their careers.  (baseball reference dot com)
Sim  Player              From  To Yrs   G    AB    R    H   2B  3B  HR  RBI  BB   SO    BA   OBP   SLG   SB   CS OPS

 800+ Albert Pujols       2001-2007  7 1091  4054  847 1344 298  13 282  861  592  452  .332  .420  .620   38  23  167
 883* Joe DiMaggio        1936-1942  7  979  3978  858 1349 243  82 219  930  404  196  .339  .403  .607   25   7  159
 880* Jimmie Foxx         1925-1935 11 1256  4397  975 1492 257  79 302 1075  781  644  .339  .440  .640   48  41  174
 876* Frank Robinson      1956-1963  8 1190  4377  831 1327 247  39 262  800  549  622  .303  .389  .557  125  43  148
 875  Ken Griffey         1989-1997  9 1214  4593  820 1389 261  24 294  872  580  755  .302  .381  .562  123  48  150
 869* Hank Aaron          1954-1961  8 1194  4717  829 1506 264  67 253  863  397  442  .319  .371  .565   57  25  153
 850* Mickey Mantle       1951-1959  9 1246  4478  994 1392 208  54 280  841  892  899  .311  .425  .569   98  25  173
 849  Hal Trosky          1933-1940  8 1035  4055  715 1274 270  53 205  860  405  352  .314  .378  .559   20  16  136
 847  Vladimir Guerrero   1996-2003  8 1004  3763  641 1215 226  34 234  702  381  484  .323  .390  .588  123  71  148
 840* Lou Gehrig          1923-1930  8  921  3327  774 1139 248  89 187  811  581  414  .342  .443  .639   42  45  180
 826* Orlando Cepeda      1958-1965  8 1095  4129  647 1272 224  22 223  752  255  625  .308  .352  .535   92  45  140


well, that didn't help much.   Courier is fixed width -vs- typical proportional fonts.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 26, 2008, 07:58:38 PM
Do you honestly expect people to read this aMm?

Put it in a spreadsheet or something. Some columns for people to follow, not just a mass of numbers.

I included the link.  You spent way more energy bitching about my sloppy posting than you would have by pointing and clicking.  I guess you got your mouse confused with your gerbil and it was busy trying to scrabble out of your ass.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: shithead on April 26, 2008, 08:03:31 PM
I guess you got your mouse confused with your gerbil and it was busy trying to scrabble out of your ass.
triplewordscorePHACE !!!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TheMaxSwineberg7 on April 26, 2008, 08:28:04 PM
I'm a huge Cardinal fan. Pujols is one of the greatest ever.


But until he pitches and wins almost 100 games, he ain't the greatest ever.  It's Ruth.  The Babe stole home more times than Lou Brock.


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TheMaxSwineberg7 on April 26, 2008, 08:42:18 PM
There's a book about Ruth's 1921 season and how he would have hit over 100 home runs under the rules of today.  There were weird rules back then, such as if a ball went over the fence fair, but hooked foul after it left the yard, it was a foul ball.  Also, if the ball hit the foul pole (or the fair pole  :stache: ) it was ruled a ground rule double.

I forget how many it credited Ruth with, but it was in triple digits.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 26, 2008, 08:47:37 PM
There's a book about Ruth's 1921 season and how he would have hit over 100 home runs under the rules of today.  There were weird rules back then, such as if a ball went over the fence fair, but hooked foul after it left the yard, it was a foul ball.  Also, if the ball hit the foul pole (or the fair pole  :stache: ) it was ruled a ground rule double.

I forget how many it credited Ruth with, but it was in triple digits.


not to mention ruth played what, 148 games?

I have nothing against maris, but his record is asterisked because he had a slower hr rate than ruth.

let's say what it is...if you go simply off what they did vs the competition, babe will never be touched.  NEVER.  as much as barry would like it to be, it ain't a racial thing.  babe just did things in comparison no one can hope to match.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 28, 2008, 09:52:34 AM
Cub fan chiming in.  Pujols is the best player in the game, today.  Comparing players from other decades is an unwinnable argument.  Ruth only played day games, pitchers would still be in the game after 200 pitches, players did not train so they weren't as athletic, etc.  Pujols gets to hit a brand new ball every pitch, Ruth may see the same ball in the 4th inning they were using in the first, Pujols has the advantage of a lighter bat, weight training, year round sport specific training, etc.

In my opinion, you put Ruth in this era, with weight training, sport specific training, smaller ballparks, and such and he hits 100 HR's a year, and has over 200 RBI every year.  The man was a complete freak of nature.  Gretsky is the closest comparison at having a beamonesque career like Ruth did.

I would love to have him playing 2nd base full time for the Cubs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 28, 2008, 02:16:13 PM
This is a fun and ultimately unwinnable debate.  Not the "is Pujols the greatest player ever?" debate.  Even if his second 7 years are as great as the first 7, there would still be good arguments why Ruth or Mays (my pick) is still the greatest ever.

But instead the debate about if you picked a star from one era and dropped him into another era, would they be better or worse.

There's probably a dozen good reasons why Ruth would average more than 55 HR's a year if playing today and another good dozen reasons why he wouldn't.  Well, maybe half dozen.

But while I agree it is almost pointless to compare players from different eras, someone above pointed out that there are freaks of nature with such obviously gifted physical abilities that you'd like to think would be great in any era.  Things like hand-eye coordination or lively arms.

Not only did TEd Williams miss two different stints in his prime for war duty, guys who flew with him said he was a great fighter pilot and could have easily made that a carear.  Before radar, eyesight was everything for a pilot - seeing them before they saw you - and I remember reading when he died that the guy for whom Williams played wingman said it was freaky how Williams could spot enemy airgraft before anyone else could.  He easily would have hit 700 homers in my opinion but for WWII and Korea.

Bob Feller may well have gone down as no worse than the third best non-steroid using RHP ever had he not spent all of '42, '43, '44, and almost all of 1945 (he only pitched 70-something innings) in the navy as a gunner on the USS Alabama.  From '39-'47, except for the years he missed, he was averaging about 25 wins per year, led the league in K's and innings pitched EVERY year, and was top 5 in ERA in 5 of those years.  He was absolutely a physical freak - his rookie season he had five wins as a 17 year old - and I'm convinced he would be a dominating pitcher in any era.  Upper 90's (estimated) with a great curve wins in any era.

Last I heard, he was still pitching BP in spring training in his 80's.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shinobi on April 29, 2008, 11:14:12 AM
Had Ken Griffey JR stayed healthy, we wouldn't be having this discussion. As far as greatest player in the game today, if Pujols isn't it, he's on a very short list.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 29, 2008, 12:53:18 PM
Cub fan chiming in.  Pujols is the best player in the game, today.  Comparing players from other decades is an unwinnable argument.  Ruth only played day games, pitchers would still be in the game after 200 pitches, players did not train so they weren't as athletic, etc.  Pujols gets to hit a brand new ball every pitch, Ruth may see the same ball in the 4th inning they were using in the first, Pujols has the advantage of a lighter bat, weight training, year round sport specific training, etc.

In my opinion, you put Ruth in this era, with weight training, sport specific training, smaller ballparks, and such and he hits 100 HR's a year, and has over 200 RBI every year.  The man was a complete freak of nature.  Gretsky is the closest comparison at having a beamonesque career like Ruth did.

I would love to have him playing 2nd base full time for the Cubs.

Or he might be a meth head.  From everything I've read he had a very addictive personality.  I agree that Pujols is the best now, not A-Rod.  A-Rod may have an advantage in the field, although I have seen he make some boneheaded plays.  With a 4 run lead A-Rod is very good at the plate, but with 2 out tied or down a run, A-Rod chokes on his own tongue.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 29, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
I can compare the fact that Babe Ruth pitched also besides hitting. Pujols is a great hitter no doubt but he's not stealing games defensively like Mays did. Best ever is a long ways away from being given to him. If he maintains this type of average and breaks the all time HR record maybe we can talk.

So if Pujols hits a career .330 and 800 home runs, then we talk about him being the best player ever?

Thanks, this is good to know.  Why stop at those numbers?  He might as well up his batting average to .350 and hit 1,000 home runs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on April 29, 2008, 03:17:32 PM
So if Pujols hits a career .330 and 800 home runs, then we talk about him being the best player ever?

Thanks, this is good to know.  Why stop at those numbers?  He might as well up his batting average to .350 and hit 1,000 home runs.

Well if you anoint someone the greatest ever who's primarily a slugger then yeah his numbers should be legendary not merely great. In this offense crazy era a guy like Pujols should be able to put up career numbers that measure up against Aaron, Ruth and Bonds. You don't even know if his career will fall off like Griffey Jr who I remember being teh hotness not that long ago in conversations like this.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 29, 2008, 03:50:36 PM
Well if you anoint someone the greatest ever who's primarily a slugger then yeah his numbers should be legendary not merely great. In this offense crazy era and guy like Pujols should be able to put up career numbers that measure up against Aaron, Ruth and Bonds. You don't even know if his career will fall off like Griffey Jr who I remember being teh hotness not that long ago in conversations like this.
Griffey's injuries severely hampered him...  He's still going to get 600 HR's though. That says a lot.

If he had won a ring or two along the way, we'd be saying he might be one of the best ever.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 30, 2008, 06:57:39 PM
Well if you anoint someone the greatest ever who's primarily a slugger then yeah his numbers should be legendary not merely great. In this offense crazy era a guy like Pujols should be able to put up career numbers that measure up against Aaron, Ruth and Bonds. You don't even know if his career will fall off like Griffey Jr who I remember being teh hotness not that long ago in conversations like this.

I haven't annointed Pujols.  He still needs 3 more years, at least.  But many baseball people will point out DiMaggio when they talk about the best player ever, and Pujols is the first player since him to put up similar numbers from the outset of his career for an extended period of time.


And, if Griffey Jr can play 4 more seasons injury free (I know, a big stretch) he will have as good of numbers as anyone to ever play the game, save Barroid, Aaron, and Ruth.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: MoPork on May 01, 2008, 01:46:26 PM
IMHO, the best player ever was Babe Ruth.  The man was a good pitcher and a great hitter, something none of the others can hang their hat on.  I'd have to go with Willie Mays as #2.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on May 01, 2008, 04:34:11 PM
Young people...

 ::)

Pujols isn't even the greatest StL Cardinals player yet. 

Musial.  Heard of him?


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on May 01, 2008, 06:31:47 PM
Young people...

 ::)

Pujols isn't even the greatest StL Cardinals player yet. 

Musial.  Heard of him?




apparently not
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hog X on May 01, 2008, 06:35:06 PM
Young people...

 ::)

Pujols isn't even the greatest StL Cardinals player yet. 

Musial.  Heard of him?

No.  Isn't that a wall painting?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on May 01, 2008, 07:40:19 PM
Young people...

 ::)

Pujols isn't even the greatest StL Cardinals player yet. 

Musial.  Heard of him?




Rogers Hornsby wasn't exactly a scrub either.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on May 01, 2008, 08:54:41 PM
Rogers Hornsby wasn't exactly a scrub either.

I know this discussion never includes pitchers, but Mr Gibson wants in the talks.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on May 02, 2008, 03:01:16 PM
Regarding rule changes and their effect on Ruth's HR totals ...

* Prior to 1931, a fair ball bouncing into the bleachers was a home run.  This helped Ruth.

* Up until about the same time, a fair ball when it crossed the fence in the air was not a homer unless it landed in the bleachers on the "fair" side or was "last seen fair" when disapppearing from view.  Sometimes a stadium would have a second foul pole in line with the first to assist the umpire.  Sometimes, a rope was strung between them to further assist the ump.  Look to the right in this pic of the Polo Grounds in 1917.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e7/PoloGrounds_1917.JPG)

This obviously hurt Ruth, some say to the tune of 50-75 HR's over his carear.  Apparently, his 60th homer in 1927 was contriversial because some thought it curved around the pole and landed "foul."

*  Up until the 20's, a walk off homer wouldn't be a homer if the runners scoring ahead of the hitter were enough to win the game.  Thus, down one, a grandslam would be scored a double since the guy on second ended the game when he crossed home.  This cost Ruth one homer.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on May 02, 2008, 05:50:30 PM
I tell you what cost Ruth a lot of homers....pitching all those years that's what. Imagine how many homers he would of had if he had been a position player from the start.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on May 06, 2008, 11:21:18 AM
Not that it equals pitching three wins in Workd Series or anything but ...

....did anyone else see Pujols score the winning run last night from second base on a simple ground out to second?

(http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/images/2008/05/06/mLWaQRLH.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on May 06, 2008, 01:17:59 PM
Not that it equals pitching three wins in Workd Series or anything but ...

....did anyone else see Pujols score the winning run last night from second base on a simple ground out to second?

(http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/images/2008/05/06/mLWaQRLH.jpg)

I am very much on record as saying Pujols is my favorite current player, and he was definitely out on that play last night, but it definitely took guts to do what he did.  My favorite part was how he "deeked" everybody right before that play.  He was almost picked off; got up limping; took timeout to stretch it out, and then scores from second on a groundout.  Pretty cool.  Now, if Derrick Lee could get some of the calls Pujols is starting to get, my favorite team would be more successful.  Do the umpires not understand that when a brother is 6' 6", his knees are higher than the average strike zone?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on May 06, 2008, 02:16:04 PM
I am very much on record as saying Pujols is my favorite current player, and he was definitely out on that play last night, but it definitely took guts to do what he did.  My favorite part was how he "deeked" everybody right before that play.  He was almost picked off; got up limping; took timeout to stretch it out, and then scores from second on a groundout.  Pretty cool.  Now, if Derrick Lee could get some of the calls Pujols is starting to get, my favorite team would be more successful.  Do the umpires not understand that when a brother is 6' 6", his knees are higher than the average strike zone?

The guys on TV first said he was out, then backed offf a bit looking at the replay.  He's definitely getting tagged on the arm there, the question was whether his lead foot had already touching the plate.  But he was probably out.

Of course, that call pales to the one made at home an inning or two before, costing the Cardinals at least one run.  That guy still hasn't tagged Molina, who, unlike Pujols, executed a nice fadaway slide into foul territory and away from the cather's reach.  I think the old ump decided the ball got there in plenty of time and assumed Molina was a dead duck.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on May 06, 2008, 02:24:41 PM
The guys on TV first said he was out, then backed offf a bit looking at the replay.  He's definitely getting tagged on the arm there, the question was whether his lead foot had already touching the plate.  But he was probably out.

Of course, that call pales to the one made at home an inning or two before, costing the Cardinals at least one run.  That guy still hasn't tagged Molina, who, unlike Pujols, executed a nice fadaway slide into foul territory and away from the cather's reach.  I think the old ump decided the ball got there in plenty of time and assumed Molina was a dead duck.

The worst call I've ever heard about was when that post it notes guy when duck hunting and he blew the duck call, and lo and behold up walked Bigfoot.  Danged if sasquatches weren't out of season, so he couldn't shoot him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hogs Marching on May 22, 2008, 01:04:36 AM
Scary moment in the Padres game. :o
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805222746276 (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805222746276)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hawgwild8988 on May 22, 2008, 01:21:52 AM
Scary moment in the Padres game. :o
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805222746276 (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805222746276)


Hell hath no fury like Pujols scorned.

X2
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on May 22, 2008, 01:32:45 AM
Scary moment in the Padres game. :o
http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805222746276 (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805222746276)


Sometimes, I wonder if I am really as much of an asshole as I come off as.

Then, about 15-20 seconds into this video that pitcher turns to the camera with blood streaming down his face, and I went into hysterical laughter.

At least I have staggeringly good looks, a ridiculous well of intelligence and deep-seated humility to carry me through life.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 22, 2008, 02:24:28 AM
Pujols also fucked up the catcher's ankle as he slid home right after that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on May 22, 2008, 07:32:06 AM
He needs to save those player take-outs for the fucking cubs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 22, 2008, 12:16:33 PM
He needs to save those player take-outs for the fucking cubs.
Agreed.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on May 22, 2008, 01:04:43 PM
He needs to save those player take-outs for the fricking cubs.

Don't worry about the Cubs, worry about Big Puma (Berkmann) and the surging 'Stros
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on May 22, 2008, 02:58:10 PM
The man snaps catcher's ankles like dry kindlin'
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on May 22, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
You're pretty much a faqqort if you don't like Albert Pujols. I can understand not liking St. Louis, but damn:

MLB article on Pujols (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080522&content_id=2747370&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl&partnered=rss_stl)

Pujols shaken by Padres injuries
Cards slugger involved on plays that hurt Young, Bard

SAN DIEGO -- Albert Pujols never likes to come out of a game, for any reason. But he made an exception on Wednesday night. Pujols was clearly shaken up by two plays in the third inning of the Cardinals' 11-3 victory over the Padres, when he contributed unintentionally to injuries to both members of San Diego's starting battery.

Pujols lined a ball up the middle that struck Padres pitcher Chris Young in the face, sending Young immediately to the ground and knocking the right-hander out of the game. Young was diagnosed with a broken and lacerated nose, which is surely an awful thing to sustain but frankly something of a relief. The Cardinals saw teammate Juan Encarnacion take major damage to his eye on a foul ball last year.

"It could have been worse," said Pujols, who had already called to check on Young when he spoke with reporters after the game. "It could have been right in the eye or somewhere else. Hopefully, he's OK. I'm definitely going to have him in my prayers. It's a pretty tough night, man. After that I couldn't concentrate on all my other at-bats. I just kind of flashed back thinking about a lot of that. It's something that you don't want to happen to anybody."

As soon as Pujols got to first base, he called time and went to check on Young. He then stopped to pray for Young with Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez. Young went to a hospital, but the Padres did not know much action he would miss.

"It bothers you, because you don't want to hit somebody and mess with somebody's career," Pujols said. "It's the same as a pitcher throwing to you in the head, or a ball coming at your head. You don't want anything to happen like that. It can pretty much ruin your career.

"Look at that foul ball that hit Encarnacion last year. He's pretty close to being done with his career. It's pretty tough. Hopefully with Chris that's not the case. I think it was a broken nose and hopefully he'll be OK."

Unfortunately, more was still to come. Two batters later, with Pujols standing on second base, Troy Glaus singled to right field. Pujols came around trying to score, and with Josh Bard blocking the plate, Pujols slid directly into Bard's foot. Bard suffered a sprained ankle and was removed from the game. It was a clean play, but nonetheless unpleasant. The Padres said Bard will go on the disabled list.

"How many times does that happen?" Pujols wondered. "In one inning, two guys get hurt by one player. It was a tough night. I'm excited we got the win, but I'm kind of bummed. Hopefully they don't lose Josh for a long time."

Pujols was clearly distracted as the game went on, going 0-for-3 in his next three at-bats. Manager Tony La Russa removed Pujols in the eighth inning, determining that his star could use the break.

"He was bothered," La Russa said. "That's why I ended up getting him out the last couple innings. The thing with Young definitely bothered him."
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on May 22, 2008, 09:16:52 PM
They may not dislike him but I bet the Padres are pretty glad he's left town.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 14, 2008, 04:42:45 PM
Update:

.350, 18 HR's, 48 RBI's

The batting title is in sight, but he doesn't get pitched to enough to challenge for the Triple Crown.



Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 14, 2008, 04:51:52 PM
Update:

.350, 18 HR's, 48 RBI's

The batting title is in sight, but he doesn't get pitched to enough to challenge for the Triple Crown.





other than BA, Ryan Howard is smoking him in HR's and RBI. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hogs Marching on July 14, 2008, 04:55:42 PM
Update:

.350, 18 HR's, 48 RBI's

The batting title is in sight, but he doesn't get pitched to enough to challenge for the Triple Crown.




The batting title should be very interesting with Chipper, Berkman, and Pujols. I never would have thought Chipper would have better stats than Pujols through the break.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 14, 2008, 06:30:09 PM
Strange. I just today sent this letter to the Post-Dispatch. Nobody in the media seems to want to recognize the fact that Albert's struggling. I thought I would call it to their attention.

 to soundoff
      
While acknowledging that Albert Pujols is hitting .350 at the All-Star break, along with 50 RBIs (tied for 3rd on the team), would it be too much to expect of Albert to provide some "protection" for our power hitters in the lineup? Namely Ludwick, Ankiel and Glaus. Albert's power has seemingly abandoned him at this point of the season.

Jeff Gordon might even want to consider Pujols' lack of run production for his "Trending Down" feature in Upon Further Review.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on July 14, 2008, 08:15:02 PM
Strange. I just today sent this letter to the Post-Dispatch. Nobody in the media seems to want to recognize the fact that Albert's struggling. I thought I would call it to their attention.

 to soundoff
      
While acknowledging that Albert Pujols is hitting .350 at the All-Star break, along with 50 RBIs (tied for 3rd on the team), would it be too much to expect of Albert to provide some "protection" for our power hitters in the lineup? Namely Ludwick, Ankiel and Glaus. Albert's power has seemingly abandoned him at this point of the season.

Jeff Gordon might even want to consider Pujols' lack of run production for his "Trending Down" feature in Upon Further Review.
He is off the juice, the hits and rbi are there, the big power is gone
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 14, 2008, 08:21:10 PM
He is off the juice, the hits and rbi are there, the big power is gone

Right.  Dont forget about his elbow thats going to require surgery after the year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hogs Marching on July 14, 2008, 08:32:21 PM
Im watching the HR Derby and Im amazed at how they have little kids running around tying to catch the balls. Those fly balls can do a lot of damage if a kid gets hit. I could see if the kids had any skill but most are running around like a chicken with it head cut off sticking their glove up hoping they catch a ball.

How the hell is Grady Sizemore a leadoff hitter. :o
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: West Texas Hog on July 14, 2008, 08:47:34 PM


How the Starkville is Grady Sizemore a leadoff hitter. :o


They let him bat 1st. :stache:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hogs Marching on July 14, 2008, 09:42:18 PM
Josh Hamilton is a fucking BEAST!!! 28 HOME RUNS IN THE FIRST ROUND!!! :stunned:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 14, 2008, 09:49:28 PM
and half of them or so was over 500 ft
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on July 14, 2008, 10:01:44 PM
Im watching the HR Derby and Im amazed at how they have little kids running around tying to catch the balls. Those fly balls can do a lot of damage if a kid gets hit. I could see if the kids had any skill but most are running around like a chicken with it head cut off sticking their glove up hoping they catch a ball.

How the hell is Grady Sizemore a leadoff hitter. :o

Little dude in the covered bleachers made a nice catch.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: West Texas Hog on July 14, 2008, 10:10:28 PM
The only thing keeping me watching now is to see if the old man's arm falls off.  54 pitches in the first round.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 15, 2008, 12:16:02 AM
Strange. I just today sent this letter to the Post-Dispatch. Nobody in the media seems to want to recognize the fact that Albert's struggling. I thought I would call it to their attention.

 to soundoff
      
While acknowledging that Albert Pujols is hitting .350 at the All-Star break, along with 50 RBIs (tied for 3rd on the team), would it be too much to expect of Albert to provide some "protection" for our power hitters in the lineup? Namely Ludwick, Ankiel and Glaus. Albert's power has seemingly abandoned him at this point of the season.

Jeff Gordon might even want to consider Pujols' lack of run production for his "Trending Down" feature in Upon Further Review.

Sure, at the pace he's on (and as long as he doesn't have to miss another 12 games in the second 1/2 of the season), he will finish the year at:

.350, 38 HR's and 102 RBI's.

While that would be the least rbi's he's had, that's solely b/c they won't pitch to him with runners on base.  Why do you think he is 3rd on the team in RBI's?  They walk him to face former no-namers who just happen to have good RBI totals b/c Pujols is on base all the time.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 09:40:36 AM
Sure, at the pace he's on (and as long as he doesn't have to miss another 12 games in the second 1/2 of the season), he will finish the year at:

.350, 38 HR's and 102 RBI's.

While that would be the least rbi's he's had, that's solely b/c they won't pitch to him with runners on base.  Why do you think he is 3rd on the team in RBI's?  They walk him to face former no-namers who just happen to have good RBI totals b/c Pujols is on base all the time.



Sure, and what about those times in the last two or three weeks when he's left the bases loaded  or two on with a walk-off pop-up or strike out. I bet you he's left 15-20 men on base the last three/four weeks. Albert should not be untouchable. Albert always has a sore elbow, hamstring, knee, ankle, hip flexor, ribs etc. It's alway something, as Roseann Roseanna Danna used to say.

Give the man a little criticism. Maybe it will light up his bat. The media has NO PROBLEM with calling attention to the fact that Ankiel, Ludwick or Glaus is "struggling". Why the Starkville is Pujols untouchable?

The letter was in this morning's P-D. Take note of the other letter also. Bernie Miklasz is just goofy for wanting the Cards to sign the big headed guy.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/Pujolslettertosoundoff.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 10:44:53 AM
Sure, at the pace he's on (and as long as he doesn't have to miss another 12 games in the second 1/2 of the season), he will finish the year at:

.350, 38 HR's and 102 RBI's.

Since the Cardinal have played 96 games already at the All-Star break, they have ONLY 66 games left to play. At Albert's rate of production thru 96 games (adjusted for the 12 he missed with injury or 84)  he would finish with:

32 HRs and

89 RBIs assuming he plays ALL 66 games.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 15, 2008, 11:22:40 AM
Since the Cardinal have played 96 games already at the All-Star break, they have ONLY 66 games left to play. At Albert's rate of production thru 96 games (adjusted for the 12 he missed with injury or 84)  he would finish with:

32 HRs and

89 RBIs assuming he plays ALL 66 games.

and, at the break, Josh Hamilton has a .310 BA, 21 HR's, and 95 RBI.  Let me repeat that for you... NINETY FIVE RBI at the all star break. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 11:33:39 AM
and, at the break, Josh Hamilton has a .310 BA, 21 HR's, and 95 RBI.  Let me repeat that for you... NINETY FIVE RBI at the all star break. 

Repeat that for Arkansas Proud. I'm a Cardinal fan. I'm a Pujols fan. But he shouldn't be media/announcer bullet-proof for a below par performance. And he IS.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 15, 2008, 11:46:41 AM
Strange. I just today sent this letter to the Post-Dispatch. Nobody in the media seems to want to recognize the fact that Albert's struggling. I thought I would call it to their attention.

 to soundoff
      
While acknowledging that Albert Pujols is hitting .350 at the All-Star break, along with 50 RBIs (tied for 3rd on the team), would it be too much to expect of Albert to provide some "protection" for our power hitters in the lineup? Namely Ludwick, Ankiel and Glaus. Albert's power has seemingly abandoned him at this point of the season.

Jeff Gordon might even want to consider Pujols' lack of run production for his "Trending Down" feature in Upon Further Review.

Old people are funny.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 11:50:08 AM
Old people are funny.

Pujols isn't that old...and I don't find him a bit funny. ;)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on July 15, 2008, 12:59:49 PM
That's what Albert gets for being way better than most all consistantly for all these years and doing it right out of the gate.  ::)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 01:13:11 PM
That's what Albert gets for being way better than most all consistantly for all these years and doing it right out of the gate.  ::)


Agreed about Pujols and his consistency. But Albert hasn't received anything concerning his recent performance except more ass-kissing from the media. JUST MENTION HIS FAILURE TO PRODUCE WHEN IT HAPPENS. That's all I'm talking about. The Puhols can do no wrong idolization by the media is sickening. Geesus, even Musial had a few down periods and it was noted by the media when it happened.

And that "provide protection" for Pujols is a frigging joke. Ankiel, Glaus and Ludwick have provided him all kinds of "protection". As my letter said, it time for Pujols to get with it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 15, 2008, 01:22:12 PM
Agreed about Pujols and his consistency. But Albert hasn't received anything concerning his recent performance except more ass-kissing from the media. JUST MENTION HIS FAILURE TO PRODUCE WHEN IT HAPPENS. That's all I'm talking about. The Puhols can do no wrong idolization by the media is sickening. Geesus, even Musial had a few down periods and it was noted by the media when it happened.

And that "provide protection" for Pujols is a frigging joke. Ankiel, Glaus and Ludwick have provided him all kinds of "protection". As my letter said, it time for Pujols to get with it.
You're an idiot.
He's fucking hurt and he's still hitting .350. You go do that with a high grade tear of the ulnar collateral ligament, bone spurs, and arthritis in your elbow that will require reconstructive surgery. He's 3rd in the majors in OPS, 143rd in at bats...fuck it.

Do you even watch the Cardinals? He doesn't get SHIT to hit.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 15, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
the bottom line is this:  who f'in cares?  They are playing for the wild card anyway.   :2bird:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 15, 2008, 03:36:04 PM
Well, it's fun and all to find creative ways to criticize a .350 hitter who leads his team in BA, OBP, and slugging percentage.  Cindy Crawford has a mole.  And reasonable people can differ on who's not protecting who and who is the biggest rally killer on the team, Pujols with his 30 strikeouts, or Ludwick and Ankiel with 73 and 70 K's, respectively.

But the Cardinal's biggest team problem is not offense, the way I see it.  They are 6th in team RBI and runs scored in the league and second only to Chicago in team BA.  The problem is their bullpen sucks and will get worse in the second "half" if the starters don't start logging more innings.  If the Cardinals are going to improve in the second half, they need to find a lock down closer on a non-contender (if there's one out there) and a good lefty reliever they can count on.  Watching that 9th and 10th inning meltdown Saturday night was the season, thus far, in microcosm.  No lead is safe.

Buy pitching, I say.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 03:52:26 PM
You're an idiot.
He's fricking hurt and he's still hitting .350. You go do that with a high grade tear of the ulnar collateral ligament, bone spurs, and arthritis in your elbow that will require reconstructive surgery. He's 3rd in the majors in OPS, 143rd in at bats...frick it.

Do you even watch the Cardinals? He doesn't get aMm to hit.


I've listened in since 1947 asshole. Started watching  in 1955/56 when Channel 36 in St. Louis carried about 10 TV games a year. Then they moved to Channel 5 for a few years then to Channel 11 for about 25 or 30 years and now on FOX MW or KSDK again. Hardly ever miss a game. Are you telling me the SoB didn't get schit to hit Sunday when he popped straight up to the catcher with the bases loaded. He would have 75 RBIs this season if he didn't leave so many on base. Get your nose out of Pujols ass. If he is that GD hurt he shouldn't be on the field. By the way, kiss off asshole.

P.S. He tries to kill every pitch he sees. That elbow/shoulder/hip/ribs must be killing him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 03:54:40 PM
Well, it's fun and all to find creative ways to criticize a .350 hitter who leads his team in BA, OBP, and slugging percentage.  Cindy Crawford has a mole.  And reasonable people can differ on who's not protecting who and who is the biggest rally killer on the team, Pujols with his 30 strikeouts, or Ludwick and Ankiel with 73 and 70 K's, respectively.

But the Cardinal's biggest team problem is not offense, the way I see it.  They are 6th in team RBI and runs scored in the league and second only to Chicago in team BA.  The problem is their bullpen sucks and will get worse in the second "half" if the starters don't start logging more innings.  If the Cardinals are going to improve in the second half, they need to find a lock down closer on a non-contender (if there's one out there) and a good lefty reliever they can count on.  Watching that 9th and 10th inning meltdown Saturday night was the season, thus far, in microcosm.  No lead is safe.

Buy pitching, I say.

Just admit he is suffering in the power/run production department. He's had 42 RBIs since about May 15.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 15, 2008, 03:55:58 PM
the bottom line is this:  who f'in cares?  They are playing for the wild card anyway.   :2bird:

Unless they find some pitching they won't even be playing for that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on July 15, 2008, 04:28:05 PM
Not sure he's the answer but here comes AJ Burnett. Hopefully Brian Fuentes can be secured also.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Nutt Hill Hawg on July 15, 2008, 04:51:39 PM
If he is that GD hurt he shouldn't be on the field.




If he didn't play he'd get the "he's such a pussy cause he doesn't play hurt" line.

Back in my day Ducky Medwick played both ends of a double header with a hangover, TWO broken legs, and a crushed sternum

You say that he try's to kill every pitch he sees come along AND you think that Glaus, Ankiel and Ludwick have done a good job protecting him.  How is it then that he's walked 61 times this year?  It's either because he's not getting anything to hit or because he's being careful what he chooses to hit...which one of your theories is incorrect?

You're correct in the fact that it seems the media rarely get on him, but then again, what basis do they really have to call him out.  He is having a pedestrian year by his normal standards but for just about any other player it would still be a very good/great year.  He's top 5, top 10 in every catagory except homeruns.  Perhaps the media fear that if they called him out they'd just come off as having an axe to grind...

I do agree with you on pitching being the greatest need.  That meltdown on Saturday night was just painful, all the more so because you just KNEW it was coming.  

 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 15, 2008, 05:38:16 PM
Just admit he is suffering in the power/run production department. He's had 42 RBIs since about May 15.

I admit it.  By his "almost greatest first seven years in the history of baseball" standard, his RBI production is down.  But I just think on the Cardinals' "to do list," worrying about his RBI production shouldn't be that high on the list.  Besides, what are you going to do, bench him?  Make him run gassers.  Spend a week in Springfield?  It'll come back.  Does anybody seriously think he isn't trying to drive in runs?  But they DO have the ability to do something about their pitching, especiallly relief. I just worry the GM thinks he needs to get another stick worse than better pitching.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 15, 2008, 11:07:29 PM
I've listened in since 1947 asshole. Started watching  in 1955/56 when Channel 36 in St. Louis carried about 10 TV games a year. Then they moved to Channel 5 for a few years then to Channel 11 for about 25 or 30 years and now on FOX MW or KSDK again. Hardly ever miss a game. Are you telling me the SoB didn't get schit to hit Sunday when he popped straight up to the catcher with the bases loaded. He would have 75 RBIs this season if he didn't leave so many on base. Get your nose out of Pujols ass. If he is that GD hurt he shouldn't be on the field. By the way, kiss off asshole.

P.S. He tries to kill every pitch he sees. That elbow/shoulder/hip/ribs must be killing him.

Well, congratulations. You're not just old, you're old and fucking stupid.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 15, 2008, 11:11:14 PM
Well, congratulations. You're not just old, you're old and fucking stupid.

Well, he does live in Fenton.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 16, 2008, 01:51:59 PM
If he didn't play he'd get the "he's such a puthy cause he doesn't play hurt" line.

Back in my day Ducky Medwick played both ends of a double header with a hangover, TWO broken legs, and a crushed sternum

Really? ;D

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You say that he try's to kill every pitch he sees come along AND you think that Glaus, Ankiel and Ludwick have done a good job protecting him.  How is it then that he's walked 61 times this year?  It's either because he's not getting anything to hit or because he's being careful what he chooses to hit...which one of your theories is incorrect?

Most of those walks happened when Glaus wasn't hitting a lick early on and opposing teams had not realized the hitting prowess of Ankiel and especially Ludwick. The intentional walks of Pujols are happening at a greatly reduced rate since those three, whichever ones bat behind AP, have come on like gangbusters in the last two months. 61 walks is a right on schedule according to his ABs career wise. But his run production, HRs and RBIs are not. And he has had streaks with as many as 12 ABs in a row lately w/o a hit. He has left many baserunners stranded as he did the night the Cards lost to the Pirates 12-11 in extra innings. But NOBODY acknowledges that fact about his holiness, King Albert.

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You're correct in the fact that it seems the media rarely get on him, but then again, what basis do they really have to call him out.  He is having a pedestrian year by his normal standards but for just about any other player it would still be a very good/great year.  He's top 5, top 10 in every catagory except homeruns.  Perhaps the media fear that if they called him out they'd just come off as having an axe to grind...

I do agree with you on pitching being the greatest need.  That meltdown on Saturday night was just painful, all the more so because you just KNEW it was coming. 

Well there you go. If your an ass kisser like Al Hrabosky, Dan McLaughlin or a member of the print media, you don't "call him out". You don't even mention the fact that his numbers are off compared to his overall career.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 16, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
Well, he does live in Fenton.


;)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 16, 2008, 02:01:13 PM
I admit it.  By his "almost greatest first seven years in the history of baseball" standard, his RBI production is down.  But I just think on the Cardinals' "to do list," worrying about his RBI production shouldn't be that high on the list.  Besides, what are you going to do, bench him?  Make him run gassers.  Spend a week in Springfield?  It'll come back.  Does anybody seriously think he isn't trying to drive in runs?  But they DO have the ability to do something about their pitching, especiallly relief. I just worry the GM thinks he needs to get another stick worse than better pitching.

No, just mentioning it on air or in the newspaper (for once) would be a start.

Bernie Miklasz wants Barry Bonds. Just be glad he's ONLY a writer and not the GM. Talk about fouling up a team attitude. Just put that pompous SoB in the clubhouse and watch the attitude head south.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: turtleman on July 17, 2008, 12:20:47 PM
I for one believe we have seen the best of mr poothole.  Injuries will continue to effect his game in years to come.  He will be good but nothing near the caliber of "best ever player".

The cards will finish 3rd in the central this year and even worse next year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 17, 2008, 10:33:20 PM
I for one believe we have seen the best of mr poothole.  Injuries will continue to effect his game in years to come.  He will be good but nothing near the caliber of "best ever player".

The cards will finish 3rd in the central this year and even worse next year.

 ???

It was tough to read all the logic in your post. 


To get this thread back on track, somebody needs to queueueue the '05 NLCS Game 5 pic.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 18, 2008, 12:40:08 AM
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(http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/images/pujols02.jpg)

 :beer:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 18, 2008, 10:53:14 AM
I don't know if it's floating around on the Interwebs anywhere but during the game, and after on SportsCenter, there's a great replay shot from the 3rd base camera looking across the field into the Astros dugout and Andy Petit has this look of awe on his face and clearly mouths "Oh Shit!" whiles he's watching it arc over the stupid choo-choo train. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 18, 2008, 01:14:50 PM
Anyone else ever have their picture made with Albert? ;) I'm the guy under the white arrow. 05/09/2005.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/Copy(3)ofPost-Dispatch.attheballpark5-9-05.jpg)



Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on July 18, 2008, 01:22:06 PM
[yt=425,350]dqy4N-PyrVM[/yt]

(http://www.whiterose.org/pete/blog/images/pujols02.jpg)

 :beer:

I hate that mother fucker.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 18, 2008, 02:58:55 PM
I hate that mother fucker.
Boo-hoo.  You won the series.  Let it go, man.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Sipowicz on July 18, 2008, 07:49:09 PM
Don't forget Ty Cobb

From wiki:

After enduring several years of seeing his fame and notoriety usurped by Ruth, Cobb decided that he was going to show that swinging for the fences was no challenge for a top hitter. On May 5, 1925, Cobb began a two-game hitting spree better than any even Ruth had unleashed. He was sitting in the dugout talking to a reporter and told him that, for the first time in his career, he was going to swing for the fences. That day, Cobb went 6 for 6, with two singles, a double, and three home runs.[57] His 16 total bases set a new AL record. The next day he had three more hits, two of which were home runs. His single his first time up gave him 9 consecutive hits over three games. His five homers in two games tied the record set by Cap Anson of the old Chicago NL team in 1884.[57] Cobb wanted to show that he could hit home runs when he wanted, but simply chose not to do so. At the end of the series, 38-year-old Cobb had gone 12 for 19 with 29 total bases, and then went happily back to bunting and hitting-and-running. For his part, Ruth's attitude was that "I could have had a lifetime .600 average, but I would have had to hit them singles. The people were paying to see me hit home runs."
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 18, 2008, 08:00:21 PM
Don't forget Ty Cobb

From wiki:

After enduring several years of seeing his fame and notoriety usurped by Ruth, Cobb decided that he was going to show that swinging for the fences was no challenge for a top hitter. On May 5, 1925, Cobb began a two-game hitting spree better than any even Ruth had unleashed. He was sitting in the dugout talking to a reporter and told him that, for the first time in his career, he was going to swing for the fences. That day, Cobb went 6 for 6, with two singles, a double, and three home runs.[57] His 16 total bases set a new AL record. The next day he had three more hits, two of which were home runs. His single his first time up gave him 9 consecutive hits over three games. His five homers in two games tied the record set by Cap Anson of the old Chicago NL team in 1884.[57] Cobb wanted to show that he could hit home runs when he wanted, but simply chose not to do so. At the end of the series, 38-year-old Cobb had gone 12 for 19 with 29 total bases, and then went happily back to bunting and hitting-and-running. For his part, Ruth's attitude was that "I could have had a lifetime .600 average, but I would have had to hit them singles. The people were paying to see me hit home runs."
(http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070515.gif)
You're doing it wrong.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 18, 2008, 08:45:26 PM
That shitty Albert Pujols going for 3 hits, 1 BB, a couple of runs, and raising his average to .354, and helping the Cardinals to 9 11 runs so far this evening.

Better warm up the ol' typewriter Root.  The P-D is gonna need another "Letter to the Editor" criticizing Alberts lousy season thus far.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 18, 2008, 08:53:04 PM
That shitty Albert Pujols going for 3 hits, 1 BB, a couple of runs, and raising his average to .354, and helping the Cardinals to 9 11 runs so far this evening.

Better warm up the ol' typewriter Root.  The P-D is gonna need another "Letter to the Editor" criticizing Alberts lousy season thus far.



Where's all those RBIs?  Maybe he ought to be the lead-off man. It's about time he broke that  0-4, 1-4 streak. By the way...that was an email to Sound Off. Remember, this is 2008 and I have a wireless connection with the Post-Dispatch. I got me one of them routers and everthang, JarJar. 8-)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 18, 2008, 08:58:15 PM
Where's all those RBIs?  Maybe he ought to be the lead-off man. It's about time he broke that  0-4, 1-4 streak.

The Cardinals have 12 LOB tonight.  ZERO credited to Pujols.

He sucks.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 18, 2008, 09:01:14 PM
It's about time he broke that  0-4, 1-4 streak.

Yeah, that mind numbing TWO game streak of games without multiple hits.

You need to up your Geritol dosage.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 18, 2008, 09:12:02 PM
Yeah, that mind numbing TWO game streak of games without multiple hits.

You need to up your Geritol dosage.

How come his average dropped about 12 points in the last two weeks? It was all the way down to .348 before tonight. Had been up to .360 a couple of weeks ago. But that's not the point. Where is the man's run production...RBIs. Geesus Ankiel, Ludwick and Glaus are providing el Hombre with all the "protection" anybody could possible need. Yet...NO run production...except whatever he scores himself. ;)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 18, 2008, 09:23:21 PM
I think I figured it out...


                  AB  R  H  RBI  BB  SO LoB  Avg.

A Pujols 1B   4   2   3   0   1   0   0   .354

After Ludwick, Ankiel or Glaus bats right in front of Albert there aren't any baserunners left to drive in. He better start pounding solo homers if he ever wants to get off that 50 mark.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 19, 2008, 01:16:19 AM
Pujols has 22 IBB's out of 66 total BB's this year.
The only person on the team that is even close is Glaus at 52 BB's. (He also has the most AB's on the team; FYI)

Pujols has only hit into two dp's all season.


He's got an OPS+ of 182 and nobody else on that team is even close to him.
Ludwick is at 151, while Glaus and Ankiel are both at 133.

He only has 30K's... fewer than any everyday player in the lineup.


So basically, what you're saying is... Since he has so few K's, so few GIDP's and such a high OPS, that every time a runner is on when pujols is up, he flies out? And those are the only times he flies out?

Give the man a break. There's a reason he doesn't have a bajillion RBI like Josh Hamilton... teams are avoiding pitching to him with RISP.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Nutt Hill Hawg on July 19, 2008, 06:15:29 AM
Pujols has 22 IBB's out of 66 total BB's this year.
The only person on the team that is even close is Glaus at 52 BB's. (He also has the most AB's on the team; FYI)

Pujols has only hit into two dp's all season.


He's got an OPS+ of 182 and nobody else on that team is even close to him.
Ludwick is at 151, while Glaus and Ankiel are both at 133.

He only has 30K's... fewer than any everyday player in the lineup.


So basically, what you're saying is... Since he has so few K's, so few GIDP's and such a high OPS, that every time a runner is on when pujols is up, he flies out? And those are the only times he flies out?

Give the man a break. There's a reason he doesn't have a bajillion RBI like Josh Hamilton... teams are avoiding pitching to him with RISP.

You can take all those madeup statistics and fancy acronyms and stick 'em up your pie hole Sonnybuck!!!!!!!!!

It takes a whole lot more than simple logic to sway the ole' Rooter.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 19, 2008, 07:32:00 AM
Where's all those RBIs?  Maybe he ought to be the lead-off man. It's about time he broke that  0-4, 1-4 streak. By the way...that was an email to Sound Off. Remember, this is 2008 and I have a wireless connection with the Post-Dispatch. I got me one of them routers and everthang, JarJar. 8-)
GFY.

Last night, in a tie game in the bottom of the 8th, Ludwick struck out to start the inning and end the inning. Pujols hit an 0-2 pitch up the middle to get on base and he scored the go ahead/winning run.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 19, 2008, 08:39:41 AM
GFY.

Last night, in a tie game in the bottom of the 8th, Ludwick struck out to start the inning and end the inning. Pujols hit an 0-2 pitch up the middle to get on base and he scored the go ahead/winning run.

Yes Sir! That was MUCH MORE important than this...

1st   R Ankiel singled to center, A Pujols and T Glaus scored.

and this

4th   R Ludwick homered to left center, B Ryan and S Schumaker scored. 3 RBIs

and this

7th   R Ankiel homered to right.

and this

Gee, Pujols SHOULD have been the STAR of the GAME. For that shot heard around the world. Not.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 19, 2008, 09:34:50 AM
Yes Sir! That was MUCH MORE important than this...

1st   R Ankiel singled to center, A Pujols and T Glaus scored.

and this

4th   R Ludwick homered to left center, B Ryan and S Schumaker scored. 3 RBIs

and this

7th   R Ankiel homered to right.

and this

Gee, Pujols SHOULD have been the STAR of the GAME. For that shot heard around the world. Not.

Actually, it was.

Another player most likely goes down on an 0-2 count, and doesn't get yet another base hit to start the game winning rally. 

YouR grasping Root.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 19, 2008, 10:49:56 AM
Actually, it was.

Another player most likely goes down on an 0-2 count, and doesn't get yet another base hit to start the game winning rally. 

YouR grasping Root.

Well, let's see...without those homers and RBIs by other Cardinals, Pujols' hit wouldn't have meant jackchit. You guys are the people "grasping". Pujols' batting average has dwindled and his timely hitting (RBIs) has tanked and Glaus is ONE (1) homer short of catching up to the guy whose schit doesn't EVER stink. After Glaus started the first month and a half of the season with one or two home runs.

And the big sticking point to start the season was "somebody has to provide PROTECTION" for God. Three have done that and Pujols has tanked. Just admit it. And NOBODY wants to discuss it. Hell, even admit it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 19, 2008, 11:46:18 AM
It's because there's nothing to discuss.

He's not getting RBI opportunities.

I wish there was a place where I could find more detailed stats such as LOB and averages with RISP. Because I know from looking at other statistics, it would have to be one huge anomaly if Pujols wasn't in the top 3 on the team in each of those.

Most of the time he is being walked when runners are on or he's being pitched around.
Again, if his run production were so horrible and dwindling with runners on base, he'd have a hell of a lot more than two GIDP's. Yadier Molina has 14 of those bad boys.

Since RBI are so opportunistic, you have to look elsewhere for run production. Every pure hitting stat you can pull up (SLG, OPS, etc.) shows Albert leading the team by a wide margin. He's never hit a ton of HR's, and he hasn't hit as many this season. I'd expect that to pick up though since he is getting good protection.

To come on here and say his average is dwindling though?

My god. What planet are you from?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 19, 2008, 11:55:00 AM


He's not getting RBI opportunities.

Like I said. Move Albert to the leadoff spot or at least to #2. Hell move him to #9.

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I wish there was a place where I could find more detailed stats such as LOB and averages with RISP.

No schit. So do I. It would startle you I'm sure. What he HAS NOT DONE in the last 3 weeks.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 19, 2008, 12:18:58 PM
I think part of why the guys around Albert are hitting so well has to do with his placement in that lineup.

He is not missing out on opportunities.

When you go 3 for 4 and score a couple runs... it's more than likely at no fault of your own for not getting any RBI.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 19, 2008, 12:22:12 PM
Well, let's see...without those homers and RBIs by other Cardinals, Pujols' hit wouldn't have meant jackchit. You guys are the people "grasping". Pujols' batting average has dwindled and his timely hitting (RBIs) has tanked and Glaus is ONE (1) homer short of catching up to the guy whose schit doesn't EVER stink. After Glaus started the first month and a half of the season with one or two home runs.

And the big sticking point to start the season was "somebody has to provide PROTECTION" for God. Three have done that and Pujols has tanked. Just admit it. And NOBODY wants to discuss it. Starkville, even admit it.

So I guess Glaus starting the first month and a half with 1-2 home runs is substantially different than Pujols hitting 3 over the last month?

You probably thought Bonds had nothing to do with Jeff Kent having 115 RBI's during his MVP year either.  Well, I guess I'll just have to defer to the guy who shows his picture as sitting on the front row as a basis for he being the know-it-all when it comes to baseball.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on July 19, 2008, 03:55:04 PM
He must be reading the board, Root.  4 RBI's through the 7th today.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on July 19, 2008, 05:19:33 PM
Phil... were you disappointed when Albert didn't make the Mitchell report ?

Did he do something to your wife or something ?   ;)

Why does it seem to irritate you that people just don't want to gouge on Pujols ?

I'm curious.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on July 19, 2008, 07:44:50 PM
I'm curious.

Well, it has [/] been a slow week down in P&R.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 19, 2008, 08:36:56 PM
So I guess Glaus starting the first month and a half with 1-2 home runs is substantially different than Pujols hitting 3 over the last month?

No it isn't. But all the media and the two Pujols ass kissers Hrabosky and McGlaughlin let us know repeatedly about Glaus not hitting his weight for 45 days in a row. But not a word about Pujols the last 3 or 4 weeks weak performance. That's all. It's as simple as the treatment from the myopic media.

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You probably thought Bonds had nothing to do with Jeff Kent having 115 RBI's during his MVP year either.  Well, I guess I'll just have to defer to the guy who shows his picture as sitting on the front row as a basis for he being the know-it-all when it comes to baseball.

I didn't ever think a thing about the "roid head" Bonds or the S.F. Giants. I paid no attention to them whatsoever. I watch and "listen" to Cardinal games and I know how those homer announcers/media treat ALL players on the team. And there is a HUGE difference between Pujols' reverence and the rest of his teammates as far as discussing their streaks and slumps. Something like the drive-by media in covering Republicans versus democrats.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 19, 2008, 08:38:54 PM
He must be reading the board, Root.  4 RBI's through the 7th today.

I doubt it. But if that is what it takes to get him back to normal so be it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 19, 2008, 08:46:08 PM
Phil... were you disappointed when Albert didn't make the Mitchell report ?

Did he do something to your wife or something ?   ;)

Why does it seem to irritate you that people just don't want to gouge on Pujols ?

I'm curious.



Rex...I don't want them to "gouge" Pujols. I just want them to mention that the SoB is in a slump. Hell, Harry Caray, Jack Buck and Joe Garagiola used to comment on Musial's slumps all the time. Few and far between but they mentioned it when it happened. Pujols is THE most valuable Cardinal since Musial...without doubt. But he isn't the GOD of baseball or untouchable by the press.

And come on Rex. I was tickled to death when Pujols name was NOT on that list. Even though the New York Post and KTVI, Channel 2 in St. Louis had him on it.

But schit. If he screws up or slumps, at least mention it.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 19, 2008, 11:48:10 PM

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/Pujolslettertosoundoff.jpg)

Correction to the Editor

Dear Post-Dispatch,

I must take this time to apologize to the faithful readers of your excellent... and delicious! ... newspaper for my comments last week concerning a certain .350 hitter and most certain 1st ballot Hall of Famer that left me looking like a Super Doosh. 

You must understand, at my age, when the Diebeetis medications are delivered late (Damn, you, Wilford Brimly!!!) I sometimes resort to cheap booze and whatever "alternative" medications that can be found on the mean streets of Fenton.  Unfortunately for your readers, during my last prickly foot induced binge, I must have I passed out after a few boxes of wine and some premium smack, because the next thing I know, I'm waking up dressed like the Joker, and a fat black man in a crotchless Batman outfit is hilt deep in me screaming "I'M BATMAN!"

Anyway, you can see why this might lead to a little testiness on my part.  You wanna talk politics?

I Love Lamp,

Phil Key
Fenton



Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on July 20, 2008, 11:09:21 AM
It's as simple as the treatment from the myopic media.

The word myopic...I do not think it means what you think it means.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 20, 2008, 02:28:25 PM
Pujols is really slumping. He's only raised his average 10 points over the past few games and is first in ALL OF BASEBALL in OPS.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 20, 2008, 04:09:01 PM
Pujols is really slumping. He's only raised his average 10 points over the past few games and is first in ALL OF BASEBALL in OPS.

But he only drove in one runner with a pinch hit sacrifice fly today.

Face the facts!  Pujols sucks!!!  Stop protecting him in the media!!  Fire Nolan!!!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on July 20, 2008, 05:18:02 PM
OVER-RATED, CLAP, CLAP , CLAPCLAPCLAP, OVER-RATED
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 20, 2008, 05:28:36 PM
Fire Nolan!!!

I just saw ole grey beard himself at wal mart a little while ago.  Looked like he just got off the golf course.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 20, 2008, 08:07:18 PM
I just saw ole grey beard himself at wal mart a little while ago.  Looked like he just got off the golf course.

Sun burned, eh?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 20, 2008, 08:09:10 PM
Correction to the Editor

Dear Post-Dispatch,

I must take this time to apologize to the faithful readers of your excellent... and delicious! ... newspaper for my comments last week concerning a certain .350 hitter and most certain 1st ballot Hall of Famer that left me looking like a Super Doosh. 

You must understand, at my age, when the Diebeetis medications are delivered late (Damn, you, Wilford Brimly!!!) I sometimes resort to cheap booze and whatever "alternative" medications that can be found on the mean streets of Fenton.  Unfortunately for your readers, during my last prickly foot induced binge, I must have I passed out after a few boxes of wine and some premium smack, because the next thing I know, I'm waking up dressed like the Joker, and a fat black man in a crotchless Batman outfit is hilt deep in me screaming "I'M BATMAN!"

Anyway, you can see why this might lead to a little testiness on my part.  You wanna talk politics?

I Love Lamp,

Phil Key
Fenton



Really eating your heart out over this, eh Jar Jar? ;D



Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 21, 2008, 06:37:05 PM
Allllllllllllbert, oh Alllllllllbert. Winning run/s on 1st and 2nd. Bottom of the ninth and mighty Casey Albert steps to the plate. Pop-up to shallow center. Two more LOB by Albert. And we fold up our tent in the top of the 10th.

Announcers on Espn...

"Do you believe their they're pitching to Albert"?

"No, I'd put Albert on and make Ankiel beat me. Don't let that man Pujols beat you. That's just crazy stuff".

"Here's the pitch. Fly ball to center field and the inning is over".

So was the game. Did I mention two more LOB in the bottom of the 9th?



Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on July 21, 2008, 06:51:23 PM
Apparently, Root expects a battering average somewhere around 1.000.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on July 21, 2008, 07:13:15 PM
I just wish the guy knew how to run

Pujols -    '08  - 04 SB     Career - 41
Berkman - '08 - 15 SB      Career - 69
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 21, 2008, 07:52:33 PM

"Do you believe their pitching to Albert"?


Can't believe the announcers would use the possessive their, as opposed to using the one that means 'they are'.

Someone needs to learn you how to use correct english.


Signed,

Resident corrector of their, they're, and there
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 22, 2008, 07:22:45 AM
I don't get why Root is on this "make Pujols a scapegoat" thing..  Where was he in Ankiel's slump? Ankiel is about as untouchable as they come in the StL media.  Hell, Miklaszasszuzsss had a column not too long ago saying that this was Ankiel's team, not Pujols.

Maybe he should write a letter in saying this is clearly Glaus's team and he is the most feared bat in the lineup.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 22, 2008, 12:00:28 PM
Can't believe the announcers would use the possessive their, as opposed to using the one that means 'they are'.

Someone needs to learn you how to use correct english.


Signed,

Resident corrector of their, they're, and there

Good catch. I changed it just for you AP. You gotta (contraction of got to) have something to point out even if it does win you a grammar police badge. And you coitinly didn't have any rebuttal to the real essence of the post.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 22, 2008, 12:18:51 PM
I don't get why Root is on this "make Pujols a scapegoat" thing.  Where was he in Ankiel's slump?

I was on Nobville. But the title of this thread...The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread...just begged for an outside opinion of his recent non-production.

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Ankiel is about as untouchable as they come in the StL media.


NOBODY is untouchable like Pujols is untouchable. Not even "about as" or close to. Beside that. It isn't every day you go from being the next Sandy Koufax/Steve Carlton to being a Class A reserve outfielder to being one of the top power hitters in the national league. That hasn't happened since Babe Ruth.

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Maybe he should write a letter in saying this is clearly Glaus's team and he is the most feared bat in the lineup.

No, actually this is Ludwick's team. ;)  But I guarantee you when Ankiel, Ludwick and Glaus were leaving runners on base at a pace Pujols has recently...and they did earlier this season...it was discussed in the media and by our brilliant Pujols ass kissing announcers many times over.

 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 22, 2008, 12:46:50 PM
I was on Nobville. .

 
You should just go back home, then.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on July 22, 2008, 01:03:05 PM
Since InBev bought AB, this is how the uniforms are gonna look next season  :stache: :

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 22, 2008, 01:15:14 PM
Since InBev bought AB, this is how the uniforms are gonna look next season  :stache: :



No way, asshole.

We're trading that useless piece of shit for someone that can hit in the clutch.  God damn it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 22, 2008, 01:27:07 PM
You should just go back home, then.

Before I was at Nobville, I was here. I am back home, asshole.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 22, 2008, 01:38:40 PM
Since InBev bought AB, this is how the uniforms are gonna look next season 



Been there, done that. I don't think that mistake will happen again. ;D

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1196/533405137_7d19448365_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on July 22, 2008, 04:09:50 PM
No way, asshole.

We're trading that useless piece of shit for someone that can hit in the clutch.  God damn it.

Since he's so worthless, I speak on behalf of the Angels when I say we will offer you $20 and a carton of Newports or Newport Lights, your choice.

I knew we're overpaying for that turd, but it's near the deadline so we got to loosen the purse strings some.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on July 22, 2008, 04:51:59 PM
Since he's so worthless, I speak on behalf of the Angels when I say we will offer you $20 and a carton of Newports or Newport Lights, your choice.

I knew we're overpaying for that turd, but it's near the deadline so we got to loosen the purse strings some.

We do need another good bat in the lineup, but I'm not sure if he's worth going after, especially for the price.   :-\
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 22, 2008, 10:17:18 PM
Since he's so worthless, I speak on behalf of the Angels when I say we will offer you $20 and a carton of Newports or Newport Lights, your choice.

I knew we're overpaying for that turd, but it's near the deadline so we got to loosen the purse strings some.
Newport Lights? Excuse me, but that's a god damn insult.

Look, you buy me a case of Newports and eight pitchers of Bud Light at the Conway VFW and he is yours... but don't fucking insult me in your offer you limp piece of tard shit.




/DeWitt'ddd
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 23, 2008, 04:51:45 AM
probably need to forget about pujols and concentrate on a bullpen. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 23, 2008, 08:12:56 AM
Good catch. I changed it just for you AP. You gotta (contraction of got to) have something to point out even if it does win you a grammar police badge. And you coitinly didn't have any rebuttal to the real essence of the post.

There was no real essence to any of your posts in this thread.

Pujols has had the BEST (or 2nd best, if you like DiMaggio) 7 year start to a career in major league baseball history, bar none (or maybe one).  If you want to write a letter to the editor every time he leaves a couple guys on base in a sport where getting 1 hit every 3 at-bats makes you a first ballot HOF, you're just being a jackass and don't deserve the first row seats you like to point out you have in order to establish your genius on a message board.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shinobi on July 23, 2008, 09:56:54 AM
Allllllllllllbert, oh Alllllllllbert. Winning run/s on 1st and 2nd. Bottom of the ninth and mighty Casey Albert steps to the plate. Pop-up to shallow center. Two more LOB by Albert. And we fold up our tent in the top of the 10th.

Announcers on Espn...

"Do you believe their they're pitching to Albert"?

"No, I'd put Albert on and make Ankiel beat me. Don't let that man Pujols beat you. That's just crazy stuff".

"Here's the pitch. Fly ball to center field and the inning is over".

So was the game. Did I mention two more LOB in the bottom of the 9th?






How many had he already driven in that day?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 23, 2008, 12:43:49 PM
probably need to forget about pujols and concentrate on a bullpen. 

Agreed.  Last night was an interesting twist in that the bullpen "only" gaver up one run.  However, it is a fair question whether Captain Hook left his ace starter in one ining too long because he knows his bullpen sucks/is tired.  On a normal contending team, if your starter gives you seven ings and only gives up one run, and it's 95 degrees, you thank him and give the ball to a trusted reliever.  With this bunch, it's like throwing gasolene on a fire.  LaRussa knows it but I'm not sure the new GM has a clue.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Nutt Hill Hawg on July 23, 2008, 12:48:46 PM
Agreed.  Last night was an interesting twist in that the bullpen "only" gaver up one run.  However, it is a fair question whether Captain Hook left his ace starter in one ining too long because he knows his bullpen sucks/is tired.  On a normal contending team, if your starter gives you seven ings and only gives up one run, and it's 95 degrees, you thank him and give the ball to a trusted reliever.  With this bunch, it's like throwing gasolene on a fire.  LaRussa knows it but I'm not sure the new GM has a clue.

Did you catch the stat last night on Lohse's ERA by innings?  After 7 innings his ERA climbs to something like 7.4.  There's no way LaRussa doesn't know this and take it into account.  He KNOWS his bullpen is for shit.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 23, 2008, 04:11:18 PM
There was no real essence to any of your posts in this thread.

Pujols has had the BEST (or 2nd best, if you like DiMaggio) 7 year start to a career in major league baseball history, bar none (or maybe one).  If you want to write a letter to the editor every time he leaves a couple guys on base in a sport where getting 1 hit every 3 at-bats makes you a first ballot HOF, you're just being a jackass and don't deserve the first row seats you like to point out you have in order to establish your genius on a message board.



But I'm not talking about years 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7. I'm talking about year eight (8). And his run production has sucked. And the number of stranded baserunners he has left on is just atrocious in year 8. I don't have first row seats. Those were courtesy of my son. I stopped buying tickets when those primadonnas began making multi-million dollars per year and then went on strike for more. Screw 'em.

Albert is the best player in baseball. Albert is having an off year. It isn't that hard to admit. It isn't a stretch to expect our local media and our homer announcers to admit it or even MENTION it when Albert has an opportunity to win a game and leaves the bases loaded in extra innings or the bottom of the ninth.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 23, 2008, 04:23:33 PM

How many had he already driven in that day?

0 - 4   1 Walk  0 RBIs   1 Run Scored   
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 23, 2008, 09:30:42 PM
Don't know what the big deal is on this subject. AP is one of, if not the best hitter of the last 6-7 years. At the same time, this season, 50 MLB players have more rbi's than he does. He's getting his hits as evidenced by his BA but not with men on base as he has in the past.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 23, 2008, 10:05:00 PM
In tonight's 3-0 loss to the Brewers...

Hitters   AB   R   H   RBI   BB   SO   LOB   AVG

A Pujols    4   0      0     0    0   1     3      .352

Cards couldn't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. But Albert had a chance to do something about it in the 6th or 7th inn. Zilch. 2 men died on base with Albert at the plate. Plus one more earlier. Cards 4 LOB. Albert 3 of the 4.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 23, 2008, 11:12:29 PM
In tonight's 3-0 loss to the Brewers...

Hitters   AB   R   H   RBI   BB   SO   LOB   AVG

A Pujols    4   0      0     0    0   1     3      .352

Cards couldn't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. But Albert had a chance to do something about it in the 6th or 7th inn. Zilch. 2 men died on base with Albert at the plate. Plus one more earlier. Cards 4 LOB. Albert 3 of the 4.

Dude. Stop it. Sabathia has been unhittable since arriving in Milwaukee. There were only three hits by the entire team.

We don't care how much you think Albert sucks, we've posted several stats from a much more reliable sample than those provided by your single-game box scores... and your argument has been completely shot down in the process. However, you continue to point out every time Albert doesn't get a hit with a runner on. It's baseball. Failure happens more often than success.

Albert is one of the best players in the game.

Shut the fuck up and deal with it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: phead2903 on July 24, 2008, 09:03:29 AM
Dude. Stop it. Sabathia has been unhittable since arriving in Milwaukee. There were only three hits by the entire team.

We don't care how much you think Albert sucks, we've posted several stats from a much more reliable sample than those provided by your single-game box scores... and your argument has been completely shot down in the process. However, you continue to point out every time Albert doesn't get a hit with a runner on. It's baseball. Failure happens more often than success.

Albert is one of the best players in the game.

Shut the frick up and deal with it.

Fixed - and I am a Cubs fan.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 24, 2008, 02:35:54 PM
Dude. Stop it. Sabathia has been unhittable since arriving in Milwaukee.

DUDE. Albert is the BEST PLAYER ever. Didn't you read the title of the thread? Or what? ;D Albert, being the BEST PLAYER EVER, should have no trouble at all hitting Sabathia or any pitcher EVER.

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There were only three hits by the entire team.

And Albert didn't have one of them.

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We don't care how much you think Albert sucks, we've posted several stats from a much more reliable sample than those provided by your single-game box scores... and your argument has been completely shot down in the process. However, you continue to point out every time Albert doesn't get a hit with a runner on. It's baseball. Failure happens more often than success.


Your stats suck. Albert can't pick up men on base anymore. He's anemic. I guess he needs more "protection" from the other guys in the lineup. ;)
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Albert is one of the best players in the game.


Wonder if Albert could have hit Sabathia in year one? Two? Year Three? Four? Maybe year five? How about year six? Or maybe last year? He damn sure can't hit anybody in the last month. Yeah definitely, Albert needs MORE PROTECTION in the lineup.

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Shut the frick up and deal with it.

Oooooh, temper. Here's another letter for you. Scanned out of today's P-D. Enjoy. Someone else is getting tired of the Pujols can do no wrong bullschit.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/Pujolslettertosoundoff2.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 24, 2008, 02:45:16 PM
So if Albert doesn't hit in at least 50% of the runners in scoring position when he bats every game, he is not good?  Much less the best hitter in the game?

This topic should soon go to Crapola b/c anytime Root66 has more than 10 posts in a thread, it is crapola.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 24, 2008, 03:18:33 PM
So if Albert doesn't hit in at least 50% of the runners in scoring position when he bats every game, he is not good?  Much less the best hitter in the game?

This topic should soon go to Crapola b/c anytime Root66 has more than 10 posts in a thread, it is crapola.



Or when someone comes along that actually realizes what is going on whether the subject matter is Albert Pujols, Frank Broyles, John White, the Ole Miss coach or the presidential candidates, send the thread to the crapper because Arkansas Proud and Stephen Colboar, among others, want to live in a dream world.

OK, alright. Now I understand how it works. ;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 24, 2008, 03:54:16 PM
Or when someone comes along that actually realizes what is going on whether the subject matter is Albert Pujols, Frank Broyles, John White, the Ole Miss coach or the presidential candidates, send the thread to the crapper because Arkansas Proud and Stephen Colboar, among others, want to live in a dream world.

OK, alright. Now I understand how it works. ;D

A GOD DAMN DREAM WORLD?

WHAT FUCKING WORLD ARE YOU IN DUMBASS?

Point out, where I said ONE FUCKING TIME that Albert needed protection. If your reading comprehension wasn't on par with a third grader, you would realize that I said pitchers were not going after him as often with runners on. They pitch around him. THIS IS PARTLY WHY LUDWICK AND ANKIEL AND GLAUS HAVE THE HIGHER RBI TOTALS. Pitchers are just now choosing to pitch to Albert. You shrug off my stats, saying they suck. Then give me stats that don't suck, moron. Taking single game box scores are meaningless. Especially when you conveniently skip games where he drives in four and leaves NOBODY on.

I gave you stats that every single GM in baseball will weigh heavier than RBI totals because they are much more basic statistics that aren't skewed by as many outside factors. ALBERT HAS THE MOST IBB'S IN THE GAME THIS SEASON. THOSE ARE RBI OPPORTUNITIES ASSHOLE.

And the point about Sabathia was not that he owns Pujols. IT'S THE FACT THAT HE IS THROWING AS WELL AS HE EVER HAS AND NOBODY IS HITTING HIM RIGHT NOW.

You need to check your god damn holier than thou attitude back at Hogville, where you can wallow in the muck and mire of homosexual, pompous fucktardedness.


I've got you pinpointed. You are one of those stupid fucking old rednecks that tells the stranger sitting next to you at the game, every fucking theory and strategy that you would do differently. You regurgitate your doom and gloom theories about how things will never be like they were. Nobody gives two flying fucks. You were not magicked down to enlighten us from the elysian fields by the one true god; who created you, using a heretofore unused incantation. You are dirt, you are nothing. So shut the fuck up and get the hell off the computer in the front office of your nursing home.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on July 24, 2008, 04:02:15 PM
A GOD DAMN DREAM WORLD?

WHAT FUCKING WORLD ARE YOU IN DUMBASS?

Point out, where I said ONE FUCKING TIME that Albert needed protection. If your reading comprehension wasn't on par with a third grader, you would realize that I said pitchers were not going after him as often with runners on. They pitch around him. THIS IS PARTLY WHY LUDWICK AND ANKIEL AND GLAUS HAVE THE HIGHER RBI TOTALS. Pitchers are just now choosing to pitch to Albert. You shrug off my stats, saying they suck. Then give me stats that don't suck, moron. Taking single game box scores are meaningless. Especially when you conveniently skip games where he drives in four and leaves NOBODY on.

I gave you stats that every single GM in baseball will weigh heavier than RBI totals because they are much more basic statistics that aren't skewed by as many outside factors. ALBERT HAS THE MOST IBB'S IN THE GAME THIS SEASON. THOSE ARE RBI OPPORTUNITIES ASSHOLE.

And the point about Sabathia was not that he owns Pujols. IT'S THE FACT THAT HE IS THROWING AS WELL AS HE EVER HAS AND NOBODY IS HITTING HIM RIGHT NOW.

You need to check your god damn holier than thou attitude back at Hogville, where you can wallow in the muck and mire of homosexual, pompous fucktardedness.


I've got you pinpointed. You are one of those stupid fucking old rednecks that tells the stranger sitting next to you at the game, every fucking theory and strategy that you would do differently. You regurgitate your doom and gloom theories about how things will never be like they were. Nobody gives two flying fucks. You were not magicked down to enlighten us from the elysian fields by the one true god; who created you, using a heretofore unused incantation. You are dirt, you are nothing. So shut the fuck up and get the hell off the computer in the front office of your nursing home.

POTW.  You brought your "A" game today, SC.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 24, 2008, 05:27:23 PM
A GOD DAMN DREAM WORLD?

WHAT fricking WORLD ARE YOU IN DUMBASS?

I live in the WORLD of CARDINAL BASEBALL , PRICK.

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Point out, where I said ONE fricking TIME that Albert needed protection. If your reading comprehension wasn't on par with a third grader, you would realize that I said pitchers were not going after him as often with runners on. They pitch around him. THIS IS PARTLY WHY LUDWICK AND ANKIEL AND GLAUS HAVE THE HIGHER RBI TOTALS. Pitchers are just now choosing to pitch to Albert. You shrug off my stats, saying they suck. Then give me stats that don't suck, moron. Taking single game box scores are meaningless. Especially when you conveniently skip games where he drives in four and leaves NOBODY on.

I gave you stats that every single GM in baseball will weigh heavier than RBI totals because they are much more basic statistics that aren't skewed by as many outside factors. ALBERT HAS THE MOST IBB'S IN THE GAME THIS SEASON. THOSE ARE RBI OPPORTUNITIES ASSHOLE.

And the point about Sabathia was not that he owns Pujols. IT'S THE FACT THAT HE IS THROWING AS WELL AS HE EVER HAS AND NOBODY IS HITTING HIM RIGHT NOW.

You need to check your god damn holier than thou attitude back at theultimatenob, where you can wallow in the muck and mire of homosexual, pompous fucktardedness.


I've got you pinpointed. You are one of those stupid fricking old rednecks that tells the stranger sitting next to you at the game, every fricking theory and strategy that you would do differently. You regurgitate your doom and gloom theories about how things will never be like they were. Nobody gives two flying fricks. You were not magicked down to enlighten us from the elysian fields by the one true god; who created you, using a heretofore unused incantation. You are dirt, you are nothing. So shut the frick up and get the Starkville off the computer in the front office of your nursing home.

You want me to point out where you said Albert needed protecting in the batting order? You didn't say that, PRICK. You don't even f'ing know what the Starkville that means. The GD media and the BOZO HOMERS broadcasting Cardinal games on TV are the ones that say that. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over, while blaming his "protection" for his ineptness in driving in runs. But Pujols is so GD great, why would he ever need "protecting" in the batting order? According to you and Arkansas Proud and your hero worshiping ass-kissing,  Pujols is the greatest hitter in the history of the game.
 
Oh by the way. All the stats in the GD world don't help when you leave men stranded on the bases about 70% of the time. Doom and gloom theories? You mean the theory that Pujols just broke 50 RBIs after about 96 games? That was no theory. That was a GD fact, PRICK. And it isn't a "SINGLE GAME STATISTIC". You are just too much an ass-kisser to realize that FACT.

"The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread"...He sure has some of you idiots fooled. Go read some more "stats" and start salivating, PRICK. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 24, 2008, 05:28:34 PM
I live in the WORLD of CARDINAL BASEBALL , PRICK.

You want me to point out where you said Albert needed protecting in the batting order? You didn't say that, PRICK. You don't even f'ing know what the hell that means. The GD media and the BOZO HOMERS broadcasting Cardinal games on TV are the ones that say that. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over, while blaming his "protection" for his ineptness in driving in runs. But Pujols is so GD great, why would he ever need "protecting" in the batting order? According to you and Arkansas Proud and your hero worshiping ass-kissing,  Pujols is the greatest hitter in the history of the game.
 
Oh by the way. All the stats in the GD world don't help when you leave men stranded on the bases about 70% of the time. Doom and gloom theories? You mean the theory that Pujols just broke 50 RBIs after about 96 games. That was no theory. That was a GD fact, PRICK. And it isn't a "SINGLE GAME STATISTIC". You are just too much an ass-kisser to realize that FACT.

"The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread"...He sure has some of you idiots fooled. Go read some more "stats" and start salivating, PRICK. 
Go fuck yourself.

I'm being serious.

Nobody likes you.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 24, 2008, 05:35:23 PM

All the stats in the GD world don't help when you leave men stranded on the bases about 70% of the time. 


I gave you real fucking statistics. Proof that, while his RBI production is down, it is not because he is having a poor year. This 70% thing is just something you just completely pulled out of your ass.

I've given you reasoning as to why he has fewer RBI than Ludwick, Glaus and Ankiel. You've ignored it.
I've given you logical points about their precious run production being a huge product of Pujols presence in the lineup. You've ignored it.

Go. Fuck. Your. Self.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 24, 2008, 05:35:46 PM
Go frick yourself.

I'm being serious.

Nobody likes you.

OH, BOO THE HELL HOO...I can't stand it. NOBODY likes me. OH, Boooo Hooooo. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA oh boo hoo! I can't stand it...BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! What a junior high school post that was. And YOU ARE BEING SERIOUS!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 24, 2008, 05:37:02 PM

I gave you real fricking statistics. Proof that, while his RBI production is down, it is not because he is having a poor year. This 70% thing is just something you just completely pulled out of your ass.

I've given you reasoning as to why he has fewer RBI than Ludwick, Glaus and Ankiel. You've ignored it.
I've given you logical points about their precious run production being a huge product of Pujols presence in the lineup. You've ignored it.

Go. frick. Your. Self.

Fucking idiot. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 24, 2008, 05:37:13 PM
OH, BOO THE HELL HOO...I can't stand it. NOBODY likes me. OH, Boooo Hooooo. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA oh boo hoo! I can't stand it...BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! What a junior high school post that was. And YOU ARE BEING SERIOUS!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Exactly.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 24, 2008, 05:38:04 PM
OH, BOO THE HELL HOO...I can't stand it. NOBODY likes me. OH, Boooo Hooooo. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA oh boo hoo! I can't stand it...BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! What a junior high school post that was. And YOU ARE BEING SERIOUS!

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!


If that was junior high, then what is this?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 24, 2008, 05:38:50 PM
Fucking idiot. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Your geriatric mind can't make up any more stats can it?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on July 24, 2008, 05:47:05 PM
Fucking idiot. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

And...this is over.  You concede, in a very Woodshawg-esque sorta way.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 24, 2008, 06:24:42 PM
Your geriatric mind can't make up any more stats can it?

Try this one: 103 games into the season...55 RBIs.   :o  For the best player in major league history. Weak, very weak.  .

Glaus has 66 RBIs

Ludwick has 69

Ankiel has 57.

Best player in major league history is getting SO MUCH PROTECTION he's 4th on the team in RBIs. And if we could only find the stat he's probably leading the 3 players above in runners left on base. :o
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 24, 2008, 06:28:29 PM
If that was junior high, then what is this?

That was a response to a junior high post. Are you that stupid or are you just acting?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 24, 2008, 07:04:20 PM
That was a response to a junior high post. Are you that stupid or are you just acting?

You're stooping to an even lower level... That makes no sense. It's even worse than the pot calling the kettle black.

Try this one: 103 games into the season...55 RBIs.   :o  For the best player in major league history. Weak, very weak.  .

Glaus has 66 RBIs

Ludwick has 69

Ankiel has 57.

Best player in major league history is getting SO MUCH PROTECTION he's 4th on the team in RBIs. And if we could only find the stat he's probably leading the 3 players above in runners left on base. :o

You just can not read.
You need to quit at this new-fangled ethernets stuff.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 24, 2008, 08:30:35 PM
 Year Ag Tm  Lg  PA  Outs  RC  RC/G   AIR    BA *lgBA   OBP *lgOBP  SLG *lgSLG  OPS *lgOPS*OPS+  OWP
+--------------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+
 2001 21 STL NL  676  428  141   8.8   111| .329  .268| .403  .340| .610  .440|1.013  .780| 157  .736 
 2002 22 STL NL  675  433  126   7.8   105| .314  .264| .394  .337| .561  .419| .955  .756| 151  .708 
 2003 23 STL NL  685  398  176  11.8   107| .359  .265| .439  .336| .667  .425|1.106  .761| 187  .832 
 2004 24 STL NL  692  431  157   9.8   111| .331  .270| .415  .341| .657  .437|1.072  .778| 172  .771 
 2005 25 STL NL  700  420  156   9.9   109| .330  .270| .430  .340| .609  .430|1.039  .770| 168  .789 
 2006 26 STL NL  634  383  151  10.6   112| .331  .271| .431  .342| .671  .440|1.102  .782| 178  .791 
 2007 27 STL NL  679  421  132   8.4   110| .327  .272| .429  .341| .568  .434| .997  .775| 157  .716 
 2008 28 STL NL  382  210   91  11.6   106| .352  .264| .463  .336| .597  .423|1.060  .759| 179  .829 
+--------------+----+----+----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----+-----+
 8 Seasons      5123 3124 1130   9.7   109| .333  .268| .423  .339| .618  .431|1.041  .771| 168  .773


Hopefully you can read that shit. If it doesn't show up right, check here... and page down to "Special Batting":
http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml
I highlighted two key stats there, but here's the Baseball Reference glossary for what those stats mean:

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# RC - Runs Created - A runs estimator created by Bill James. A runs estimator attempts to quantify the entire contribution of a player's statistics to a team's total runs scored. It typically involves some positive value for things like hits, walks, steals, home runs, etc. and negative values for outs, caught stealing and GIDP. There are 24 different versions of RC depending on the stats you have. In general, I am using the tech version which incorporates baserunning, HBP and other offensive events. When those aren't available I use the SB version, and when those aren't available, I use the basic version, (H + BB) * (TB)/ (AB + BB)
# RC/G - Runs Created per Game - Typically the average game has around 27 outs, but this can vary by the size of the homefield advantage and the number of extra-inning games. We use the seasonal average outs/game.

# OWP - Offensive Winning Percentage - This is an estimate of the winning percentage an average defense with nine of this player batting would have. As was pointed out to me, the standard formula using the league's runs scored doesn't work well for 19th century players because so many of their runs were unearned and they took lots of extra bases and the like. I'm of two minds on how to handle this. One approach is to tweak the runs created formula. Another would be to use the league runs created rather than league runs. I have done the latter, so now we use the sum of the league's runs created to calculate offensive winning percentage.

If his run production is so piss-poor, then why is he creating runs at a pace just under his career best?
Glaus, Ankiel and Ludwick are driving in runs BECAUSE of Pujols. Not in spite of him.

Now, go fuck yourself and burn in hell old man.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 25, 2008, 12:29:58 PM

Glaus, Ankiel and Ludwick are driving in runs BECAUSE of Pujols. Not in spite of him.

Absolutely correct. They're driving in the runs Pujols FAILS to and leaves on base for them. Sometimes they drive Albert, his lordship himself, in when he singles, walks, gets hit by a pitch or strikes out and reaches first on a passed ball or catcher's interference. Thank you Albert for allowing Glauss, Ankiel and Ludwick an opportunity to protect you.

P.S. Pujols last home run was on Independence Day...July 4, 2008. 21 Days. Wonder how much longer it will be until he hits another?

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Now, go frick yourself and burn in Starkville old man.

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Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 25, 2008, 12:55:51 PM
DID YOU READ THE STATS I POSTED?!


JESUS CHRIST you are thick. You need to stop posting, period. Especially homoerotic images like that one.

If you are too retarded to READ THE FACTS I've laid out on the table, then go somewhere else where your stupidity can reign.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 25, 2008, 01:19:16 PM
DID YOU READ THE STATS I POSTED?!




Just the part about...

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Glaus, Ankiel and Ludwick are driving in runs BECAUSE of Pujols. Not in spite of him.

and this part, you fucking asshole...
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Now, go frick yourself and burn in Starkville old man.

I'll never read any of your GD statistics when ONLY TWO WORDS make any difference about Pujols in this thread. RUN PRODUCTION. Something that seems absolutely foreign to you and the rest of idolaters of Albert.

Now, go fuck yourself and burn in helll piss ant punk.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 25, 2008, 01:19:48 PM
Absolutely correct. They're driving in the runs Pujols FAILS to and leaves on base for them. Sometimes they drive Albert, his lordship himself, in when he singles, walks, gets hit by a pitch or strikes out and reaches first on a passed ball or catcher's interference. Thank you Albert for allowing Glauss, Ankiel and Ludwick an opportunity to protect you.

P.S. Pujols last home run was on Independence Day...July 4, 2008. 21 Days. Wonder how much longer it will be until he hits another?


You got slapped around by Colboar, yet you still keep on with your bullshit. Amazing. You just need to shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 25, 2008, 01:24:52 PM
You got slapped around by Colboar, yet you still keep on with your bullshit. Amazing. You just need to shut the frick up.

Now if Pujols would just start slapping in a few runs and slapping a few long balls maybe you and Colboar can stop licking each others ass.  ;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 25, 2008, 01:25:52 PM
Now if Pujols would just start slapping in a few runs and slapping a few long balls maybe you and Colboar can stop licking each others ass.  ;D
Shut

the

fuck

up

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 25, 2008, 01:28:17 PM
Shut

the

frick

up



Now there is a juvenile punk post if ever I've seen one. YOU LOSE! ;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 25, 2008, 01:38:28 PM
Now there is a juvenile punk post if ever I've seen one. YOU LOSE! ;D
Take your old ass down to the fucking coffee shop and spew your bullshit to people that think you know something.

You don't know shit.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 25, 2008, 01:39:46 PM
Just the part about...

and this part, you fucking asshole...
I'll never read any of your GD statistics when ONLY TWO WORDS make any difference about Pujols in this thread. RUN PRODUCTION. Something that seems absolutely foreign to you and the rest of idolaters of Albert.

Now, go fuck yourself and burn in helll piss ant punk.

THAT RUNS CREATED STAT IS PURPOSELY FIGURED TO CORRELATE WITH "RUN PRODUCTION" YOU IGNORANT PIECE OF TARD SHIT.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 25, 2008, 03:15:59 PM
its great watching two girls slap each other, but lets get real here.

all of the stats and frivolous shit is moot until the bullpen is worth a shit and gets it together.

carry on.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 25, 2008, 03:18:14 PM
its great watching two girls slap each other, but lets get real here.

all of the stats and frivolous shit is moot until the bullpen is worth a shit and gets it together.

carry on.

Exactly. Pujols isn't the problem here. No one in that whole lineup is a huge problem, really.
The problem is that no lead after seven innings is safe.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 25, 2008, 03:30:49 PM
Dedicated to Colboar and DejaVu. A couple of whining hyenas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4DDSyP5RQo
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 25, 2008, 04:11:35 PM
There's a lesson here for everyone to learn.

Don't blame others for your mental handicap. It's just not a great way to go through life.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 25, 2008, 09:00:29 PM
                                               AB   R   H   RBI   BB   SO   LOB   AVG

A Pujols 1B                              5     0     0     0     0     3     4        .344

And a lesson for the fools who still think Pujols is the greatest player in history.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 25, 2008, 09:57:37 PM
You are the top #1 seed for the next "fucktards beware" doosh-a-palooza bracket.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on July 25, 2008, 11:47:14 PM
If nobody else on your team produces, it usually is going to cause a great hitter to press.  Pujols is having (for him) a bad month or whatever, and these idiots want to jump on him.  Great for Ludwick and Glaus; if you think either of those are seriously the future of your franchise or are doing anything more than taking advantage of pitchers getting geeked to get Pujols and then losing subsequent battles, you're out of your mind.

How about, for once, stop trading for mediocre middle infielders and get some pitching (and, you need more than just setup men and a closer, FYI).

Let Root say what he will; typical ingrate fan.  No matter what you do, you can't beat the Cubs (or the Mets, or the Phillies) in a series.  Go take some of that InBev money and fill out your staff.

Vlad had a shitty month for the Angels, and the rest of our hitters had a shitty April through June.  What brought Los Angeles the best record in baseball?

Outstanding pitching.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 26, 2008, 02:16:31 PM
If nobody else on your team produces, it usually is going to cause a great hitter to press.  Pujols is having (for him) a bad month or whatever, and these idiots want to jump on him.  Great for Ludwick and Glaus; if you think either of those are seriously the future of your franchise or are doing anything more than taking advantage of pitchers getting geeked to get Pujols and then losing subsequent battles, you're out of your mind.

How about, for once, stop trading for mediocre middle infielders and get some pitching (and, you need more than just setup men and a closer, FYI).

Let Root say what he will; typical ingrate fan.  No matter what you do, you can't beat the Cubs (or the Mets, or the Phillies) in a series.  Go take some of that InBev money and fill out your staff.

Vlad had a shitty month for the Angels, and the rest of our hitters had a shitty April through June.  What brought Los Angeles the best record in baseball?

Outstanding pitching.


3-3 vs. Cubs (Won first series, lost second series)
2-3 vs. Mets (split 4 game series, one game into this series)
3-3 vs. Phillies (Won first series, lost second series)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 26, 2008, 04:02:56 PM
If nobody else on your team produces, it usually is going to cause a great hitter to press. 


You're correct of course. Albert's schit has always had an odor of fresh cut flowers and cinnamon. He's perfect. It's everyone else's fault that Albert can't produce. He's the chosen one. He's El Hombre.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 26, 2008, 04:05:42 PM
You are the top #1 seed for the next "fucktards beware" doosh-a-palooza bracket.

                                               AB   R   H   RBI   BB   SO   LOB   AVG

A Pujols 1B                              5     0     0     0     0     3     4   .344     
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on July 26, 2008, 07:34:50 PM
                                               AB   R   H   RBI   BB   SO   LOB   AVG

A Pujols 1B                              5     0     0     0     0     3     4   .344     

He is on track to strike out 60 times this year.  Out of 564 AB.  Also, 344 BA (8 straight over 300), 8th straight year at 100+ RBI and 30+ HR.  But your right, he does have a bad game every now and again.  There are so few people who have stood where he does.  It's true he needs 10 more years of doing this to be permanently put into the same breath as your Ruths, DiMaggios, Williams, Aarons etc, but that's all he needs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 26, 2008, 11:03:11 PM
                                               AB   R   H   RBI   BB   SO   LOB   AVG

A Pujols 1B                              5     0     0     0     0     3     4   .344     
Eat shit mutherfucker. I bet you didn't enjoy that last hit one goddamn bit, did you?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 26, 2008, 11:03:44 PM
He is on track to strike out 60 times this year.  Out of 564 AB.  Also, 344 BA (8 straight over 300), 8th straight year at 100+ RBI and 30+ HR.  But your right, he does have a bad game every now and again.  There are so few people who have stood where he does.  It's true he needs 10 more years of doing this to be permanently put into the same breath as your Ruths, DiMaggios, Williams, Aarons etc, but that's all he needs.
If he is to get to 100 rbi this year he's gonna have to make a push pretty soon.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 26, 2008, 11:04:03 PM
POST HIS LINE TONIGHT, DICKFACE
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on July 27, 2008, 08:28:01 AM
We're still waiting on that line.

Is it true that Dickface is going to be the villian in the next Batman movie?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 27, 2008, 08:40:55 AM
I'm not choosing sides here, but i did hear the announcers say last night that since the break and before last night, he was only 2-19. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 27, 2008, 01:41:23 PM
I'm not choosing sides here, but i did hear the announcers say last night that since the break and before last night, he was only 2-19. 
He is/was in a slump. There is no denying that.  But there's no reason to jump his ass for all of these blown saves (a league best 25), when he's still in the middle of one of the best years of his career.

Root is claiming that he's left an inordinate amount of men LOB all season... but for some reason, won't get a season total, up to this point, to compare with his teammates. I've provided stats specifically to disprove his claim that Albert has had poor run production. All he has done to prove that, is hand-pick box score lines from specific nights to prove his cause.

Root has simply made a piss-poor surface observation and he's not the only person guilty of that in the world. I've tried to help him look deeper into the numbers and realize the reasoning behind Pujols lower HR and RBI numbers are not necessarily of his own doing. I've showed that while guys like Ankiel and Ludwick and Glaus have higher numbers in those categories, they still aren't contributing to run production as much as Albert has.

He has ignored this info. He is very old, and prefers to bitch about what he sees on the surface. This is why the Titanic sunk. Some prickly old bastard saw a iceberg and refused to believe that any of it extended out under the water surface.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 27, 2008, 05:28:06 PM
Here they are DICKHEAD

Saturday...

                                  AB      R         H         RBI        BB        SO     LOB      AVG

 Pujols                            8      3       5          3           0    1      4         .351


Sunday...

Pujols                            4      1       2          1              0        0        1        .353


First two H.R.s  since the 4th of July. What run production! He'll no doubt hit 30 homers with 90 RBIs at this rate.

Maybe that lit a fire under is overpaid worshipped ass.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 27, 2008, 05:30:41 PM
Here they are DICKHEAD

Saturday...

                                  AB      R         H         RBI        BB        SO     LOB      AVG

 Pujols                            8      3       5          3           0    1      4         .351


Sunday...

Pujols                            4      1       2          1              0        0        1        .353


First two H.R.s  since the 4th of July. What run production! He'll no doubt hit 30 homers with 90 RBIs at this rate.

Maybe that lit a fire under is overpaid worshipped ass.
St. Louis should just deal him away for cash, two minor league players, and a 78 non-running Gremlin.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 27, 2008, 05:32:11 PM
Trade 'em while they still have some value.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 27, 2008, 05:44:12 PM
Trade 'em while they still have some value.
You've bypassed retardation and gone straight to fucking moron.

He's having a great year, but you can't see it. You're blinded by the fact that his team pretty much sucks and management isn't doing anything to help. Sure, he had a little slump, but it's understandable with his elbow problems and the offense pressing because they know that the bullpen is shit.

I'll tell you why Pujols gets a break. It's because of his work ethic, lack of controversy, no drugs, Down Syndrome work, and all around 'likeability'.

You have none of those qualities, so it's easy to see why you hate him so much.

Go be a Royals fan.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 27, 2008, 05:54:27 PM
You've bypassed retardation and gone straight to fricking moron.

He's having a great year, but you can't see it. You're blinded by the fact that his team pretty much sucks and management isn't doing anything to help. Sure, he had a little slump, but it's understandable with his elbow problems and the offense pressing because they know that the bullpen is aMm.

I'll tell you why Pujols gets a break. It's because of his work ethic, lack of controversy, no drugs, Down Syndrome work, and all around 'likeability'.

You have none of those qualities, so it's easy to see why you hate him so much.

Go be a Royals fan.
St. Louis should just deal him away for cash, two minor league players, and a 78 non-running Gremlin.



Been using some of that meth you're so familiar with?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 27, 2008, 05:56:14 PM
Been using some of that meth you're so familiar with?
Validation of my accusations.

You have to be pimping out a sub 70 IQ.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 27, 2008, 08:04:45 PM
Here they are DICKHEAD

Saturday...

                                  AB      R         H         RBI        BB        SO     LOB      AVG

 Pujols                            8      3       5          3           0    1      4         .351


Sunday...

Pujols                            4      1       2          1              0        0        1        .353


First two H.R.s  since the 4th of July. What run production! He'll no doubt hit 30 homers with 90 RBIs at this rate.

Maybe that lit a fire under is overpaid worshipped ass.


I would say the fact the guy went 7-12 with 2 HR's and only had 4 RBI's out of that points to the fact that guys aren't getting on base enough in front of him.  Or what most intelligent people have been saying on here all along - In general, they only pitch to him without guys on base, or with maybe one runner on first.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 27, 2008, 08:35:14 PM

I would say the fact the guy went 7-12 with 2 HR's and only had 4 RBI's out of that points to the fact that guys aren't getting on base enough in front of him.  Or what most intelligent people have been saying on here all along - In general, they only pitch to him without guys on base, or with maybe one runner on first.

And what was the excuse between July 4 and July 26?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 27, 2008, 10:46:07 PM
And what was the excuse between July 4 and July 26?
He is/was in a slump. Nobody will deny that.

Every player that ever played the game has had slumps. You've come on here and said that he's been doing this all season and that his LOB count, compared to Glaus, Ankiel and Ludwick would amaze me. Yet you've never produced that stat out of your herpes ridden mouth.
You've  back-pedaled into saying "what was the excuse between July 4 and July 26?"

I've showed stats that account for your precious run production. They say Pujols is having one of the better years of his career.

After the cards mets jumped out to that substantial lead today, Ludwick led off the inning, made a quick out. Pujols slams a HR to LF, then Glaus steps in and promptly flies out to 2B. That's quality protection right there. Hey, you've been using specific instances to "prove" your argument. I guess I will too.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on July 27, 2008, 11:13:55 PM
Why is it a contest to convert people ? Why can't anyone have any opinion they wish, no matter how ridiculous ?

Who cares ?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 27, 2008, 11:15:30 PM
Why is it a contest to convert people ? Why can't anyone have any opinion they wish, no matter how ridiculous ?

Who cares ?
Because this is the internet, it's serious shit. Someone is wrong.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 27, 2008, 11:25:14 PM
Why is it a contest to convert people ? Why can't anyone have any opinion they wish, no matter how ridiculous ?

Who cares ?

I politely gave him some stats to show that his claims about Pujols were misguided.
He ignored them and started calling me out by name, saying I was blind to what he was saying and that I was whining.

I just don't like idiots that get proven wrong by facts, yet ignore them and continue on with their drivel.
It's growing old on me and I'm just going to stop responding.

However, these internets are really serious business, and I must not ignore getting called out. I don't back off from anyone on the interwebs. I am an Al Gore-certified badass in these parts. I am a vitriolic. :sarcasm:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 28, 2008, 10:37:59 AM
He is/was in a slump. Nobody will deny that.

Thank youl. That's the FIRST TIME anyone has mentioned that. Not the media, not the two Pujols ass kissers, Hrabosky and McLaughlin. But you just did.

Quote
Every player that ever played the game has had slumps.


So Albert is human and susceptible to human failure.

 
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You've come on here and said that he's been doing this all season and that his LOB count, compared to Glaus, Ankiel and Ludwick would amaze me.

That would explain why Pujols had 50 runs batted in at the All-Star break wouldn't it? What I actually said was that...Glaus and Ludwick had more RBIs than Albert and Ankiel had the same number while usually batting second in the lineup. And that Albert was leaving runners on base at an amazing rate...for Albert and had been all season. I said nothing about that fact amazing you, since you are such a OBP, POB, PBO, BOP, COP, POC fanatic and should have known the RBI production of all four players.

Quote
Yet you've never produced that stat out of your herpes ridden mouth.


Fever blisters? You're a fukking idiot do you realize that? No of course you wouldn't. Retards don't realize they are retards.

Quote
You've  back-pedaled into saying "what was the excuse between July 4 and July 26?"

Back pedaled? How is that back pedaling, idiot? My whole discussion began with 50 RBIs in 96 fricking games at the All-Star game break. You're just confused retard.

Quote
I've showed stats that account for your precious run production. They say Pujols is having one of the better years of his career.

18 homers and 57 RBIs after 105 games is one of Pujol's better seasons of his career? OK...retard.

Here are some stats for you.

July 5 thru July 27...Pujols only. Enjoy.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/PujolsJuly5,thruJuly27.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 28, 2008, 11:29:01 AM
Oh really?

Like I said. Move Albert to the leadoff spot or at least to #2. Hell move him to #9.

No schit. So do I. It would startle you I'm sure. What he HAS NOT DONE in the last 3 weeks.

You said startle, not amaze.  My bad.

Like I said, until you bust out that official LOB total to show how "startlingly" more it is than his teammates, just shut up about it. I've showed his run production is high.

I really do wish the media would jump all over Albert when he slumps, and blame the team's losses on him (as well as aids, heart disease, rampant cigarette addictions, alcoholism and the potato famine), even though the clear and obvious problem with this team is the bullpen.
We know Albert will pick it back up. That bullpen is always going to suck ass.

You need to get your priorities straight old man.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 28, 2008, 12:01:35 PM
 :finger:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 28, 2008, 05:31:33 PM

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/PujolsJuly5,thruJuly27.jpg)

Somebody help me with my math.  During the slump of July 5-27, inclusive, Pujols hit .36986, had an average of 1.4736 LOB per game, and had 0.63158 RBI per game, which works out to 102.32 RBI per 162 games.

We can conclude from this (i) Germans love David Hasselhoff, and (ii) none of us really know if leaving 1.4736 guys on base per game is good or not.

Because I can multiply very complex numbers by 10 very quickly, despite not having ever attended The Center of Learning, I can tell you that works out to 14.736 LOB every ten games and 6.315 RBI over the same span.  That tells me nothing, not being as smart as most of you.

I can tell you my absolutely unscientific perception is that he seems to come up a lot with no chance of being pitched to unless the bases are empty.  If first base is open with a man on, he sees nothing.  If there are two out, he sees very little.  All I'm saying is, it seems other teams treat him as if he's not in a slump.

Now, season wide, his RBI numbers are down.  But it seems unless someone has a stat to plug in the number of RBI opportunities, i.e. # of AB's with RISP, and compare that to (a) previous years, or (b) other Cardinals this year, I don't know what can be infered from his RBI numbers.

I DO know the starters need to burn up more innings and Wednesday can't get here fast enough.

And no lead is safe.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 28, 2008, 09:21:52 PM
Somebody help me with my math.  During the slump of July 5-27, inclusive, Pujols hit .36986, had an average of 1.4736 LOB per game, and had 0.63158 RBI per game, which works out to 102.32 RBI per 162 games.

We can conclude from this (i) Germans love David Hasselhoff, and (ii) none of us really know if leaving 1.4736 guys on base per game is good or not.

Because I can multiply very complex numbers by 10 very quickly, despite not having ever attended The Center of Learning, I can tell you that works out to 14.736 LOB every ten games and 6.315 RBI over the same span.  That tells me nothing, not being as smart as most of you.

I can tell you my absolutely unscientific perception is that he seems to come up a lot with no chance of being pitched to unless the bases are empty.  If first base is open with a man on, he sees nothing.  If there are two out, he sees very little.  All I'm saying is, it seems other teams treat him as if he's not in a slump.

Now, season wide, his RBI numbers are down.  But it seems unless someone has a stat to plug in the number of RBI opportunities, i.e. # of AB's with RISP, and compare that to (a) previous years, or (b) other Cardinals this year, I don't know what can be infered from his RBI numbers.

I DO know the starters need to burn up more innings and Wednesday can't get here fast enough.

And no lead is safe.

All of which shows Pujols is having a very mediocre year by Pujols' own standards. And in the 8th inning tonight when the score was already 9-2, Pujols drives in 3 to make the score 12-2. To which little Danny McLaughlin, the asinine Puhols ass kisser screams out...

AND ALBERT DOES IT AGAIN! Give me a freaking break.

Ludwick, Molina, Glaus, Mather and Izturis had ALREADY DONE IT, for God sake.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 28, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
Jesus, Pujols was only allowed two AB's tonight. And you're upset that he drove in unnecessary runs with one of them? I don't think you understand how much he's being pitched around, but that's fine. I really don't care anymore.

If you're basing this on Dan McLaughlin's thoughts, however, please retreat. HE is truly retarded. It isn't a Pujols-centric thing.
The other night he suggested sac bunting with Ludwick. Even Al couldn't put a spin on that one... in fact, he didn't even respond to it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on July 28, 2008, 11:01:26 PM
Dan McLaughlin's thoughts

are worthless. I wish he would jump off the Arch into the muddy Mississip and swallow a mudcat backwards.... then die.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 28, 2008, 11:11:37 PM
are worthless. I wish he would jump off the Arch into the muddy Mississip and swallow a mudcat backwards.... then die.

Have we all found a dooshy middle ground and pinpointed a rallying point to start a little fire, hold hands and sing kumbaya?

I think we have.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on July 28, 2008, 11:20:50 PM
Dan McLaughlin is the poor man's Joe Buck.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 28, 2008, 11:39:11 PM
Dan McLaughlin is the poor man's Joe Buck.
His sister makes shitty music.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 29, 2008, 09:46:00 AM
Dan McLaughlin is the poor man's Joe Buck.

Joe Buck is the poor man's Jack Buck who was the poor man's Harry Caray.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 29, 2008, 10:08:02 AM
Folks, it's pointless to even try to reason with this geriatard for one simple reason.  He calls Fenton, Mo home.

Take the worst that Harrison has to offer, the white trash mentality of your trailer parks in Little Rock Metro, and the nastiest, toothless, NASCAR worshiping rednecks you can find scattered throughout the Ozarks, round them up, stick them in $75,000 tract housing units, and you end up with a Fenton.  It's an absolutely disgusting, miserable, backwards community that is widely considered the armpit of the St. Louis metropolitan area, and an embarrassment to those of us residing elsewhere in St. Louis county.

If your life leads you to retirement in Fenton... you lost.  Just go ahead and die already.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 29, 2008, 10:56:27 AM
Folks, it's pointless to even try to reason with this geriatard for one simple reason.  He calls Fenton, Mo home.

Take the worst that Harrison has to offer, the white trash mentality of your trailer parks in Little Rock Metro, and the nastiest, toothless, NASCAR worshiping rednecks you can find scattered throughout the Ozarks, round them up, stick them in $75,000 tract housing units, and you end up with a Fenton.  It's an absolutely disgusting, miserable, backwards community that is widely considered the armpit of the St. Louis metropolitan area, and an embarrassment to those of us residing elsewhere in St. Louis county.

If your life leads you to retirement in Fenton... you lost.  Just go ahead and die already.
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. JarJar you are a laugh a minute. Now tell 'em about the cold water flat you reside in up on Martin Luther King Boulevard in North St. Louis City. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Here is a photo from Jar's third wedding and the blowout reception that followed down in the hood. That intersection had to be closed due to methane gasses that built up from the main course.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/BigWeddingReception.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 29, 2008, 10:59:44 AM
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. JarJar you are a laugh a minute. Now tell 'em about the cold water flat you reside in up on Martin Luther King Boulevard in North St. Louis City. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. Here is a photo from Jar's third wedding and the blowout reception that followed down in the hood. That intersection had to be closed due to methane gasses that built up from the main course.


Class, please direct your attention to the part of my post where I mentioned "take the worst that Harrison has to offer."

Class dismissed.

Of course, Roots intelligence must also come into question when you believe MLK Blvd. passes through Des Peres/Ladue...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 29, 2008, 11:02:18 AM
Class, please direct your attention to the part of my post where I mentioned "take the worst that Harrison has to offer."

Class dismissed.

And you take the CL out of class.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shinobi on July 29, 2008, 02:25:06 PM
This thread has gone from suck to blow.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Swino on July 29, 2008, 05:16:48 PM
This thread has gone from suck to blow.

Where is that Alf picture when you need it?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 29, 2008, 08:43:46 PM
Thank God we've held on to this overrated Pujols guy and didn't trade him off yet. I thought his career was over during that 15 day slump.


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: DLog12 on July 29, 2008, 08:48:57 PM
He's having one of those shitty games again tonight - solo HR in the 6th to tie the game, doubled in the 8th stole 3rd and scored on the errant throw to give the Cards the lead.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 29, 2008, 08:51:04 PM
He's having one of those shitty games again tonight - solo HR in the 6th to tie the game, doubled in the 8th stole 3rd and scored on the errant throw to give the Cards the lead.
He's only got one RBI mutherfucker! What's your problem?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: DLog12 on July 29, 2008, 08:56:15 PM
He's only got one RBI mutherfucker! What's your problem?

Like I said, he's having one of those shitty nights again.  Pitiful.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 29, 2008, 08:57:56 PM
Like I said, he's having one of those shitty nights again.  Pitiful.
Why does he let them walk him like that? He should be swinging at those pitches there in the 9th.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: DLog12 on July 29, 2008, 09:01:13 PM
Why does he let them walk him like that? He should be swinging at those pitches there in the 9th.

Well the two runs he produced himself weren't really needed anyway since 2 have scored in the 9th, so basically his night has been worthless.  No point in trying in the 9th.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 30, 2008, 08:16:49 PM
Hey Root. You like apples?


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on July 30, 2008, 10:28:06 PM
Hey Root. You like apples?

You don't mean those 7th inning, tied up, game winning RBI apples do you? 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 30, 2008, 10:36:08 PM
You don't mean those 7th inning, tied up, game winning RBI apples do you? 
Yeah. THEM apples.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 30, 2008, 11:20:18 PM
This thread isnt going to go away until the end of the season, is it?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Cerdo on July 31, 2008, 08:55:50 AM
I looked yesterday for the first time at this thread.  Page one and page whatever it is now and yes, it is truly about Pujols and beisbol.

Since one of you dummies always likes to come into everyone's NBA threads and whine about the NBA, let me go ahead and return the favor and let you all know that I think MLB is boring and full of juiced up overpaid players.




Off to die in a fire now.......
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on July 31, 2008, 09:27:14 AM
This thread isnt going to go away until the end of the season, is it?

it won't go away until Pujols breaks every record there is. 

so a decade and a half or so.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 31, 2008, 10:00:55 AM
Hey Root. You like apples?




Do you like grapes? It's about f'ing time Pujols started earning his pay. He sure the hell didn't through most of July, just when he was needed most against Chicago and Milwaukee, he went to sleep.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: STL_HOG on July 31, 2008, 02:27:19 PM
Quote from: Root.66 link=topic=60840.msg1012438#msg1012438 date=12175164
It's about f'ing time Pujols started earning his pay.
[/quote

You really need to RMPL.  Starting with this...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on July 31, 2008, 03:33:01 PM
Do you like grapes? It's about f'ing time Pujols started earning his pay. He sure the Starkville didn't through most of July, just when he was needed most against Chicago and Milwaukee, he went to sleep.

I've neither the time nor the inclination to read through all of your posts but it sure is starting to look like you never say anything that isn't dumber 'n a bag of hammers.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 31, 2008, 05:09:38 PM
I've neither the time nor the inclination to read through all of your posts but it sure is starting to look like you never say anything that isn't dumber 'n a bag of hammers.

Good. You've solved your own problem. When you gonna start?

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on July 31, 2008, 06:07:29 PM
[quote author=Root.66 link=topic=60840.msg1012438#msg1012438 date=12175164
It's about f'ing time Pujols started earning his pay.


You really need to RMPL.  Starting with this... Apparently Adam Dunn hit 2 more homers today. So he actually has 32. If Pujols hits 11 homers tonight, they'll be tied. ;)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pujolal01.shtml

You really need to look closely at these three categories in the 7/30/08 N.L. stats.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/Thursday,July31,2008(2).jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 31, 2008, 09:56:37 PM
You really need to look closely at these three categories in the 7/30/08 N.L. stats.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/Thursday,July31,2008(2).jpg)

Do you even know how to copy and paste images from an "innertubes" website?  What kind of fuckwad cuts out articles from the newspaper, scans or photographs them, uploads them to his computer, and then posts them on a message board?

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 31, 2008, 10:02:40 PM
Do you even know how to copy and paste images from an "innertubes" website?  What kind of fuckwad cuts out articles from the newspaper, scans or photographs them, uploads them to his computer, and then posts them on a message board?


The same kind of fuckwad that doesn't tell you that Pujols is:

Leading MLB in OPS, 2nd in BA, 2nd in slug., and 1st in RC27.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 01, 2008, 06:57:45 AM
Good. You've solved your own problem. When you gonna start?


I'll go ahead and start not reading them now.  When are you going to take that reading comprehension class?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: STL_HOG on August 01, 2008, 11:03:10 AM
You really need to look closely at these three categories in the 7/30/08 N.L. stats.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-5/23762/Thursday,July31,2008(2).jpg)

You really need to look at all of their career numbers.  You'll not find a better all-around start than Pujols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 01, 2008, 01:43:59 PM
Do you even know how to copy and paste images from an "innertubes" website?  What kind of frickwallaby cuts out articles from the newspaper, scans or photographs them, uploads them to his computer, and then posts them on a message board?



Yes I do. I do that just to piss you off...

It worked. BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Here, take this pistol and  :suicide:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 01, 2008, 01:52:52 PM
You really need to look at all of their career numbers.  You'll not find a better all-around start than Pujols.

No, I really needed to look at the month of July when Pujols tanked. With 3 home runs and about 12 RBIs during the entire month. And left 28 men on base. While young ass-kisser, little Danny McLaughlin and old time relief pitcher, Al Hrabosky ooohed and ahhhed at every frigging swing Pujols took. Even the ones that he swung at and missed or even struck out on...according to those two, he did it beautifully.

I can hear little Danny now..."Even when he misses, he sure takes his cut. Nobody goes down swinging as beautifully as Albert".
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 01, 2008, 01:58:35 PM
I'll go ahead and start not reading them now.  When are you going to take that reading comprehension class?

Ahhh, the old reading comprehension allegation. You're  breaking out your entire repertoire of insults, eh PriccusDiccusheaddus?

"Put 'em on ignore". That's  Fathog's advice. He knows best.

(http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/ostrich_head_sand2.gif)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 01, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
Ahhh, the old reading comprehension allegation. You're  breaking out your entire repertoire of insults, eh PriccusDiccusheaddus?

"Put 'em on ignore". That's  Fathog's advice. He knows best.

(http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/ostrich_head_sand2.gif)
Not an insult.  A direct reponse to your inability to understand.  Reread what I said and what you said until you understand and then I'll accept your apology.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 01, 2008, 05:09:17 PM
"Only" 3 HRs and 12 RBIs in a month isn't just terrible.  Projected over a season, that would still be about 20 and 75.  Obviously not HoF material, but a lot of guys would give their left nut to have such a dismal year.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 01, 2008, 05:33:22 PM
Not an insult.  A direct reponse to your inability to understand.  Reread what I said and what you said until you understand and then I'll accept your apology.

There is nothing in this thread I have not understood. There is PLENTY in this thread that you Pujols worshippers have not "comprehended". Meanwhile just go ahead and hit that ignore button, buttonhead.  :maundoed:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 01, 2008, 05:36:26 PM
"Only" 3 HRs and 12 RBIs in a month isn't just terrible.  Projected over a season, that would still be about 20 and 75.  Obviously not HoF material, but a lot of guys would give their left nut to have such a dismal year.

Just sayin'.


That's what I've been doing...just sayin'. These Pujols idolizers just don't seem to catch on. HRs, RBIs and Runs scored are what makes MVPs and Ps O the Y. And Pujols hasn't been cutting it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 01, 2008, 06:51:54 PM
Maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but just because the guy isn't putting up astronomical numbers as he has in years past, and is still having a very productive year (by any standards) still considered a damn good player, even in an off year (by his standards)?

BTW, I'm not a Cards fan.  Just being objective here.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 01, 2008, 10:05:53 PM
Maybe I missed this earlier in the thread, but just because the guy isn't putting up astronomical numbers as he has in years past, and is still having a very productive year (by any standards) still considered a damn good player, even in an off year (by his standards)?

BTW, I'm not a Cards fan.  Just being objective here.

EVERY player has off years...by their own set standards. Pujols is having one. My problem isn't with Pujols himself. It's with people such as Al Hrabosky and little Danny McLaughlin, the Cardinal announcers on FSMidwest. These two idolaters are f'ing sickening in their worshiping at the feet of Albert. So is the local St. Louis media, electronic and print. Albert even has better, bigger and longer bowel movements than all his teammates. I have listened to this schit until I am ready to puke. Then I come along and find a thread on WooPig entitled:

The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread

I put my 2¢ worth in this thread and you would have thought I just assassinated Jesus Christ. These kevlar coated Woopiggers couldn't take it. I guess there ain't no cup thick enough.

And I AM A CARDINAL FAN. Since 19fricking47 when I was 5 years old.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 01, 2008, 10:32:48 PM
EVERY player has off years...by their own set standards. Pujols is having one. My problem isn't with Pujols himself. It's with people such as Al Hrabosky and little Danny McLaughlin, the Cardinal announcers on FSMidwest. These two idolaters are f'ing sickening in their worshiping at the feet of Albert. So is the local St. Louis media, electronic and print. Albert even has better, bigger and longer bowel movements than all his teammates. I have listened to this schit until I am ready to puke. Then I come along and find a thread on WooPig entitled:

The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread

I put my 2¢ worth in this thread and you would have thought I just assassinated Jesus Christ. These kevlar coated Woopiggers couldn't take it. I guess there ain't no cup thick enough.

And I AM A CARDINAL FAN. Since 19fricking47 when I was 5 years old.
I don't know why I try, you won't learn anyway. 

No one has a problem with you not thinking Pujols is great, they have a problem with your not being able to back it up with a single coherent thought.  I didn't start this thread, but I'm reasonably certain that the person who did used hyperbole intentionally.  However, can you name a single player living or dead who has put up better numbers than Pujols up to this point in his career who is not considered by some faction of the intelligent baseball world (which doesn't include you, obviously) as one of if not the greatest players of all time? 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 01, 2008, 10:54:48 PM
I don't know why I try, you won't learn anyway. 

No one has a problem with you not thinking Pujols is great, they have a problem with your not being able to back it up with a single coherent thought.  I didn't start this thread, but I'm reasonably certain that the person who did used hyperbole intentionally.  However, can you name a single player living or dead who has put up better numbers than Pujols up to this point in his career who is not considered by some faction of the intelligent baseball world (which doesn't include you, obviously) as one of if not the greatest players of all time? 

You love to throw around that word coherent, eh? And comprehension, eh? Trying like Starkville to impress somebody with your spectacular use of Roget's Thesaurus, eh?  ;D  Here's an idea. Quit wasting your time trying to teach me about Pujols. I'm a fan already. Here is a tip for you. Go fetch yourself a copy of CD of McLaughlin calls of Pujols' at bats and download in your MP3. Then you can masturbate to them while you're in the stall.

 ;D :evil:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 01, 2008, 11:13:41 PM
You love to throw around that word coherent, eh? And comprehension, eh? Trying like Starkville to impress somebody with your spectacular use of Roget's Thesaurus, eh? 
No, just trying to inspire you to think.  If you ever actually made a point that related to what had been said it wouldn't be necessary.  You see, you did it again; I said something, you ignored it and said something that only vaguely related to my post.  Any decent poster says something that actually relates to the thread, and when quoting others, either amplifies the point, contradicts it, or says something funny.  Idiotic posters, such as yourself, will call names without making a point, miss the point, or criticize something ancillary like spelling (or as in your case, that I use words that you keep having to look up).  Now at this point I can actually call you an idiot or a dumas without being guilty of idiotic posting because I actually responded to what you said.  Dumas.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 02, 2008, 01:01:26 AM
EVERY player has off years...by their own set standards. Pujols is having one. My problem isn't with Pujols himself. It's with people such as Al Hrabosky and little Danny McLaughlin, the Cardinal announcers on FSMidwest. These two idolaters are f'ing sickening in their worshiping at the feet of Albert. So is the local St. Louis media, electronic and print. Albert even has better, bigger and longer bowel movements than all his teammates. I have listened to this schit until I am ready to puke. Then I come along and find a thread on WooPig entitled:

The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread

I put my 2¢ worth in this thread and you would have thought I just assassinated Jesus Christ. These kevlar coated Woopiggers couldn't take it. I guess there ain't no cup thick enough.

And I AM A CARDINAL FAN. Since 19fricking47 when I was 5 years old.

You remind me of when I was in my Advanced History class in H.S. and I had to argue a point I did not agree with, but did anyways because (even though I was wrong) I tried to present all the "facts" and actually won over a few of the dumb ones.  I got an A, even though I felt wrong about convincing some folks it was the right thing to evade invade a country for no reason at all.  I had to take a shower after doing the dirty deed just to clean myself.

What's your excuse?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Judas on August 02, 2008, 03:20:32 AM
You love to throw around that word coherent, eh? And comprehension, eh? Trying like Starkville to impress somebody with your spectacular use of Roget's Thesaurus, eh?  ;D  Here's an idea. Quit wasting your time trying to teach me about Pujols. I'm a fan already. Here is a tip for you. Go fetch yourself a copy of CD of McLaughlin calls of Pujols' at bats and download in your MP3. Then you can masturbate to them while you're in the stall.

 ;D :evil:
If you need a Thesaurus to produce words like comprehension and coherent, then you need to focus on much bigger issues than Pujols's July stats.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 02, 2008, 08:24:15 AM
No, just trying to inspire you to think.  If you ever actually made a point that related to what had been said it wouldn't be necessary.  You see, you did it again; I said something, you ignored it and said something that only vaguely related to my post.  Any decent poster says something that actually relates to the thread, and when quoting others, either amplifies the point, contradicts it, or says something funny.  Idiotic posters, such as yourself, will call names without making a point, miss the point, or criticize something ancillary like spelling (or as in your case, that I use words that you keep having to look up).  Now at this point I can actually call you an idiot or a dumas without being guilty of idiotic posting because I actually responded to what you said.  Dumas.

A 60-something year-old dude just told you to go masturbate in a stall. How pervy is that?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 02, 2008, 08:49:16 AM
"Only" 3 HRs and 12 RBIs in a month isn't just terrible.  Projected over a season, that would still be about 20 and 75.  Obviously not HoF material, but a lot of guys would give their left nut to have such a dismal year.

Just sayin'.


Just an FYI.  Albert actually had 4 HR's and 20 RBI's in July.

Oh, and that Ignore button actually improved this thread once I decided to hit it.  It's all very coherent now, and no longer smells like three day old armpit and mothballs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 02, 2008, 09:08:09 AM
Oh, and that Ignore button actually improved this thread once I decided to hit it.  It's all very coherent now, and no longer smells like three day old armpit and mothballs.

 :maundoed:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on August 02, 2008, 09:27:18 AM
Isn't OPS what the statheads use now?  Isn't 1.065 for the year still pretty good?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bsfellers on August 02, 2008, 12:05:46 PM
Why don't you just go and re-design the Cardinal's batting helmets, Root. Maybe a big ol ugly bird on each side.  :2bird:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 02, 2008, 01:13:35 PM
You remind me of when I was in my Advanced History class in H.S. and I had to argue a point I did not agree with, but did anyways because (even though I was wrong) I tried to present all the "facts" and actually won over a few of the dumb ones.  I got an A, even though I felt wrong about convincing some folks it was the right thing to evade a country for no reason at all.  I had to take a shower after doing the dirty deed just to clean myself.

What's your excuse?

Well, one thing is for certain. I've never known the United States to "EVADE" a country for no reason at all. Schit, I've never known any country to "EVADE" another country...except of course for France, whose national flag is solid white.

I can certainly see why you "felt wrong and dirty" about convincing "some folks" it was the right thing to do to "EVADE" a country for no reason at all. That's because you were wrong. Countries don't EVADE other countries (except for France as noted above). Countries INVADE other countries. And if the invasion of Iraq is what you were trying to imply then you also have that wrong. Go read U.N. Resolution 1441 and the 12 /14 resolutions preceding that one dealing with Saddam Hussein and the INVASION of Iraq. Also look up the Joint Resolution of Congress (that means both houses of Congress) AUTHORIZING the President of the United States to use any means necessary  including military force and invasion to remove that SoB Hussein from his dictatorship and install a democratic form of government in that country while rebuilding the damage to pre-war conditions.

But that has nothing to do with the idolaters of Pujols. That's a politics issue. Take it to the politics forum.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 02, 2008, 01:22:09 PM
Well, one thing is for certain. I've never known the United States to "EVADE" a country for no reason at all. Schit, I've never known any country to "EVADE" another country...except of course for France, whose national flag is solid white.

I can certainly see why you "felt wrong and dirty" about convincing "some folks" it was the right thing to do to "EVADE" a country for no reason at all. That's because you were wrong. Countries don't EVADE other countries (except for France as noted above). Countries INVADE other countries. And if the invasion of Iraq is what you were trying to imply then you also have that wrong. Go read U.N. Resolution 1441 and the 12 /14 resolutions preceding that one dealing with Saddam Hussein and the INVASION of Iraq. Also look up the Joint Resolution of Congress (that means both houses of Congress) AUTHORIZING the President of the United States to use any means necessary  including military force and invasion to remove that SoB Hussein from his dictatorship and install a democratic form of government in that country while rebuilding the damage to pre-war conditions.

But that has nothing to do with the idolaters of Pujols. That's a politics issue. Take it to the politics forum.

Now see, there you go again.  You ASSUME I was referring to the 1st Gulf War, when in fact I was referring to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

But I will agree with you on one point.....politics don't have any room in a Pujols thread.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 02, 2008, 01:22:37 PM
Why don't you just go and re-design the Cardinal's batting helmets, Root. Maybe a big ol ugly bird on each side.  :2bird:

No thanks. The Cards have the best, most recognizable logo in baseball of all time. No need to mess with perfection. Although if it needed to be done, don't ever think I'm not capable of doing it. :finger:

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 02, 2008, 01:28:22 PM
Now see, there you go again.  You ASSUME I was referring to the 1st Gulf War, when in fact I was referring to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

.

If 1st Gulf war was your reference, then I apologize. For whatever reason, I find it difficult to believe that. And the Pujols is God thread is a strange place for that subject matter.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 02, 2008, 01:39:46 PM
If you need a Thesaurus to produce words like comprehension and coherent, then you need to focus on much bigger issues than Pujols's July stats.

I don't need a Thesaurus for such. I comprehend  ;D definition of those words just fine. But piccus diccus just seem infatuated  by the two words. He keeps repeating them in post after post. Like he's proud to be displaying his grasp and use of the two. I believe piccus diccus to be a wordsmith sicko. :)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on August 02, 2008, 04:54:32 PM
No thanks. The Cards have the best, most recognizable logo in baseball of all time. No need to mess with perfection. Although if it needed to be done, don't ever think I'm not capable of doing it. :finger:


You're a faggot.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 02, 2008, 08:24:09 PM
You're a faggot.

Good answer, good answer. You lost.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 03, 2008, 04:21:15 PM
Isn't OPS what the statheads use now?  Isn't 1.065 for the year still pretty good?
Anything above 1000 is really good.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 03, 2008, 04:26:27 PM
Anything above 1000 is really good.

man, you have high standards...I would call anything over 1.000 good.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 03, 2008, 04:29:20 PM
I don't need a Thesaurus for such. I comprehend  ;D definition of those words just fine. But piccus diccus just seem infatuated  by the two words. He keeps repeating them in post after post. Like he's proud to be displaying his grasp and use of the two. I believe piccus diccus to be a wordsmith sicko. :)
I don't believe you could think your way out of a wet paper bag.  WTF is a wordsmith sicko?  Someone who likes to know what words mean and use them?  Wow,  that really, really hurts.

You remind me of this guy: he hates it when liberals use things like facts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDrq0LNrh-A)

What happened to the youtube button?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 03, 2008, 04:34:14 PM
man, you have high standards...I would call anything over 1.000 good.

I just had to explain to my wife and daughter last week why you say so and so batted 300 when you really mean that they got on base 30% of the time.  Do I need to go into that here?  In On-base plus slugging, the decimal point is understood by most of us.  You're not one of those their / there / they're correcters are you?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 03, 2008, 04:54:44 PM
I just had to explain to my wife and daughter last week why you say so and so batted 300 when you really mean that they got on base 30% of the time.  Do I need to go into that here?  In On-base plus slugging, the decimal point is understood by most of us.  You're not one of those their / there / they're correcters are you?

I consider myself more of a shit-stirrer.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 03, 2008, 05:29:59 PM


You remind me of this guy:



You remind me of a woopig wannabe keyboard badass.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 03, 2008, 05:32:55 PM
You remind me of a woopig wannabe keyboard badass.

Pot, meet kettle.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 03, 2008, 06:25:07 PM
Pot, meet kettle.

Not you asshole. You're a sniveling little prick.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 03, 2008, 06:28:02 PM
By the way, Pujols first two games of August...

Pujols            AB   R   H   RBI   BB   SO   LOB
August 01   4   0   0   0   0   0   1
August 02   3   0   0   0   1   1   2

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 03, 2008, 06:30:05 PM
You remind me of a woopig wannabe keyboard badass.
Elaborate, please.  Am I threatening to kick some ass down at the Alma Sonic?  Or are you just missing the point entirely again?  You've got something like keyboard turrets.  You just type whatever the hell pops into your little mind.  Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything; you just can't admit you don't know what the hell you're talking about.  Try and add something of value at least once every 100 posts.  Then, once you've got your BA up to 010, maybe you can try for a big hit every now and then.  Right now you're whiffing on everything.

I consider myself more of a aMm-stirrer.

I can respect that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Judas on August 03, 2008, 06:31:24 PM
This root dude sucks.

Even Jesus would admit that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 03, 2008, 06:32:40 PM
Elaborate, please.  Am I threatening to kick some ass down at the Alma Sonic?  Or are you just missing the point entirely again?  You've got something like keyboard turrets.  You just type whatever the Starkville pops into your little mind.  Doesn't need to have anything to do with anything; you just can't admit you don't know what the Starkville you're talking about.  Try and add something of value at least once every 100 posts.  Then, once you've got your BA up to 010, maybe you can try for a big hit every now and then.  Right now you're whiffing on everything.

I can respect that.

It's self explanatory. Woopig badass.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 03, 2008, 06:39:58 PM
Not you asshole. You're a sniveling little prick.

I wasn't referring to me.
Gawd, you really suck at this.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 03, 2008, 06:41:39 PM
It's self explanatory. Woopig badass.
My god!  Don't you even know what badass means?  Where I come from, someone trying to be a badass is usually trying to start a fight or intimidate those around them.  I don't physically threaten people on the internet because it's fucking stupid to threaten people who are nowhere near you and that you wouldn't know if you ran into them in the street anyway.  

If not letting you say stupid shit all day long is being a badass, then I guess I am.  Really I consider myself more of a smartass which would make me a polar opposite to your being a dumas.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 23, 2008, 12:02:22 AM
Goes 3 - 3 tonight with 3 more RBI's, and raises his average to .353... but no HR's... as the Cards belt out 26 hits and 18 runs against the Braves.

yep he still sucks.




And, yes, I know the picture is from Wednesday night's game against the Pirates.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on August 24, 2008, 11:59:41 PM
So here's shitty ol' Albert Pujols:

1st in MLB in OPS with a staggering 1.106. That's astronomical.
1st in MLB in BA with a .359
1st in MLB in SLUG with a .639, wich is 38 points higher than the next guy
1st in MLB in BB/K
1st in MLB in RC
1st in MLB in RC/27

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 25, 2008, 12:21:42 AM
So here's shitty ol' Albert Pujols:

1st in MLB in OPS with a staggering 1.106. That's astronomical.
1st in MLB in BA with a .359
1st in MLB in SLUG with a .639, wich is 38 points higher than the next guy
1st in MLB in BB/K
1st in MLB in RC
1st in MLB in RC/27



Dumas Root probably wrote a "Letter to the Editor" stating LaRussa should start Duncan at 1st from here on out to give the youngster some more PT over an obviously fading Pujols. 

What a fucking moran.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Biggus Punkus on August 25, 2008, 12:43:26 PM
Dumas Root probably wrote a "Letter to the Editor" stating LaRussa should start Duncan at 1st from here on out to give the youngster some more PT over an obviously fading Pujols. 

What a fucking moran.

It's about GD time he earned his salary and started contributing. Good thing he's getting all that protection in the lineup from Ludwick, Glaus and Ankiel. ;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 25, 2008, 03:03:15 PM
You can't really go from not contributing to 1st in that many categories over a weekend series.  He did pass C Jones this weekend and went from 2nd to 1st in BA.  Pretty much everything else he already was in 1st.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 25, 2008, 03:05:51 PM
It's about GD time he earned his salary and started contributing. Good thing he's getting all that protection in the lineup from Ludwick, Glaus and Ankiel. ;D
They should've traded away some of their smaller bats in the lineup before the deadline.
I'm confident they can still slip Pujols through waivers though.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on September 09, 2008, 11:33:34 PM
Pujols for MVP?
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/backell/165720 (http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/backell/165720)




Sep. 9   
News:
8:30 AM

Pujols, who is playing with a shredded ligament in his right elbow, is starting to consider offseason surgery, as he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch: "I'm thinking about it; I'm thinking really hard."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/briefingroom?playerId=4574 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/briefingroom?playerId=4574)



Just a shitty, shitty ballplayer.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 10, 2008, 12:41:11 AM
For those consumed with football, or who had simply become so frustrated with the Cards staff blowwing lead after lead and have checked out for this season, the Brewers have lost three in a row and the Cards, by beating the Cubs tonight 4-3, have won three in a row.  St. Louis is now 3 in the loss column behind the Brewers and even with the Phillies in the wild card race.

Tonight, Pujols, with his three run homer (#33) now has 98 RBI's.  By going 2 for four, his average is now .361, which is insane for a power hitter.

And he's hurt. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hogs Marching on September 10, 2008, 12:50:26 AM
It may come down to the wire for the batting title for Pujols and Chipper. Pujols at .361 and Chipper at .359. The closest hitter is 30 points behind them.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on September 10, 2008, 01:33:43 AM
In terms of the Cards this season...

It's over, let it go.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on September 10, 2008, 07:37:41 AM
Yeah, but what's he gonna do for ya in July?

Right, Root?

Root?

Root?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on September 10, 2008, 02:28:56 PM
In terms of the Cards this season...

It's over, let it go.

Over?

Nobody says it's over until we say it's over!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on September 11, 2008, 10:15:34 AM
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 12, 2008, 12:01:49 AM
I was listening to some guy on ESPN the other night trying to decide who could possibly win the NL MVP.  He finally got to Pujols, but then stated, "Normally you would consider Pujols up there, but he really hasn't had the best season this year."   :stunned:

.361, 33 HRs, 100 RBI's after missing 8-10 games and with 13 games to go. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 26, 2008, 01:17:16 AM
Update:  .354  35 HR  112 RBI's 

2nd, 5th, and 5th in the respective categories.

And according to Tim Kurkijan, the NL MVP this year.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on September 26, 2008, 04:59:47 AM
That lucky bastard has had 8 career years in a row.  You can tell by comparing 2006 to 2008, since he has about the same at bats and the HRs are down while the 2Bs are up, that he's a little bit of a Punch and Judy hitter now.  He needs to stop dicking around and score 100 runs in a season again.


Career Stats
Year Team League GP AB    R     H  2B3BHR RBI BB  K    SB CS OBP SLG AVG E     OPS
2008 St. Louis NL 145 515  97  182 43 0 35 112 101 53   7 3 .459 .641 .353 5    1.100
2007 St. Louis NL 158 565  99  185 38 1 32 103  99  58   2 6 .429 .568 .327 8    0.995
2006 St. Louis NL 143 535 119 177 33 1 49 137  92  50   7 2 .431 .671 .331 6    1.002
2005 St. Louis NL 161 591 129 195 38 2 41 117  97  65 16 2 .430 .609 .330 14   1.039
2004 St. Louis NL 154 592 133 196 51 2 46 123  84  52   5 5 .415 .657 .331 10   1.072
2003 St. Louis NL 157 591 137 212 51 1 43 124  79  65   5 1 .439 .667 .359 4     1.106
2002 St. Louis NL 157 590 118 185 40 2 34 127  72  69   2 4 .394 .561 .314 11   0.955
2001 St. Louis NL 161 590 112 194 47 4 37 130  69  93   1 3 .403 .610 .329 20   1.013
2000 Potomac A    21   81  11   23  8  1  2   10   7    8   1 1 .341 .481 .284 3
2000 Peoria A      109 395  62 128 32  6 17   84 38  37   2 4 .389 .565 .324 19
2000 Memphis AAA  3   14    1    3  1   0 0     2    1   2   1 0 .267 .286 .214 0
  Total NL        1236 4569 944 1526 341 13 317 973 693 505 45 26 .425 .622 .334 78
  Total AAA          3 14 1 3 1 0 0 2 1 2 1 0 .267 .286 .214 0
  Total A          130 476 73 151 40 7 19 94 45 45 3 5 .381 .550 .317 22


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on September 26, 2008, 08:42:45 AM
Update:  .354  35 HR  112 RBI's 

2nd, 5th, and 5th in the respective categories.

And according to Tim Kurkijan, the NL MVP this year.   O0

Sitting at home in October?   ::)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on September 26, 2008, 08:47:15 AM
That lucky bastard has had 8 career years in a row.  You can tell by comparing 2006 to 2008, since he has about the same at bats and the HRs are down while the 2Bs are up, that he's a little bit of a Punch and Judy hitter now.  He needs to stop dicking around and score 100 runs in a season again.


Career Stats
Year Team League GP AB    R     H  2B3BHR RBI BB  K    SB CS OBP SLG AVG E     OPS
2008 St. Louis NL 145 515  97  182 43 0 35 112 101 53   7 3 .459 .641 .353 5    1.100
2007 St. Louis NL 158 565  99  185 38 1 32 103  99  58   2 6 .429 .568 .327 8    0.995
2006 St. Louis NL 143 535 119 177 33 1 49 137  92  50   7 2 .431 .671 .331 6    1.002
2005 St. Louis NL 161 591 129 195 38 2 41 117  97  65 16 2 .430 .609 .330 14   1.039
2004 St. Louis NL 154 592 133 196 51 2 46 123  84  52   5 5 .415 .657 .331 10   1.072
2003 St. Louis NL 157 591 137 212 51 1 43 124  79  65   5 1 .439 .667 .359 4     1.106
2002 St. Louis NL 157 590 118 185 40 2 34 127  72  69   2 4 .394 .561 .314 11   0.955
2001 St. Louis NL 161 590 112 194 47 4 37 130  69  93   1 3 .403 .610 .329 20   1.013
2000 Potomac A    21   81  11   23  8  1  2   10   7    8   1 1 .341 .481 .284 3
2000 Peoria A      109 395  62 128 32  6 17   84 38  37   2 4 .389 .565 .324 19
2000 Memphis AAA  3   14    1    3  1   0 0     2    1   2   1 0 .267 .286 .214 0
  Total NL        1236 4569 944 1526 341 13 317 973 693 505 45 26 .425 .622 .334 78
  Total AAA          3 14 1 3 1 0 0 2 1 2 1 0 .267 .286 .214 0
  Total A          130 476 73 151 40 7 19 94 45 45 3 5 .381 .550 .317 22



Punch and Judy. Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 26, 2008, 10:35:16 AM
Every time I see his 2003 numbers and then recall that Pumpkin Head won the MVP, the rage starts creeping back, all Travis Bickle like.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on September 26, 2008, 04:26:09 PM
Pujols is a helluva player, he's battled some injuries and remained the workhorse of the team. Chipper on the other hand is older and more broke down and still continues to hit the ball to places he's not supposed to. The Cards are one or two players away from making the play-offs. The Braves are 8 players away. ::)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on September 26, 2008, 04:26:54 PM
Every time I see his 2003 numbers and then recall that Pumpkin Head won the MVP, the rage starts creeping back, all Travis Bickle like.

3rd party 'roid rage?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 26, 2008, 04:29:39 PM
3rd party 'roid rage?

Yeah.  Pumpkin Head with the 'roids.  Me with the rage.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on September 26, 2008, 05:09:09 PM
35 HR's?
112 Rbi?
101 bb?

What a fuck up.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on September 26, 2008, 05:34:53 PM
35 HR's?
112 Rbi?
101 bb?

What a fuck up.

See you in February.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on September 26, 2008, 06:02:16 PM
See you in February.
Maybe July or August.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 3kgthog on September 26, 2008, 06:08:17 PM
Pujols will get jobbed again. The voters are in love with Ryan Howard and his 1,243 strikeouts.

Most telling stat: Pujols is the only NL MVP candidate with fewer than 100 Ks. Crown him now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorhog72 on September 26, 2008, 06:20:37 PM
Pujols will get jobbed again. The voters are in love with Ryan Howard and his 1,243 strikeouts.

Most telling stat: Pujols is the only NL MVP candidate with fewer than 100 Ks. Crown him now.

I guess miss the logic where your team will not make the playoffs and you dont lead in any one offensive category, but if you strike out less than 100 times that's a shoe in for MVP?

His slugging is up and he has a nice OBP, but them not making the playoff's this year is going to cost him. Its shit, but its almost always who the writers are sucking off at the moment. Tebow gets Heisman instead of Mcfadden. Kobe gets MVP instead of Chris Paul (although hornets did make the postseason). Howard will get it instead of PooHols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on September 26, 2008, 08:48:13 PM
I guess miss the logic where your team will not make the playoffs and you dont lead in any one offensive category, but if you strike out less than 100 times that's a shoe in for MVP?

His slugging is up and he has a nice OBP, but them not making the playoff's this year is going to cost him. Its shit, but its almost always who the writers are sucking off at the moment. Tebow gets Heisman instead of Mcfadden. Kobe gets MVP instead of Chris Paul (although hornets did make the postseason). Howard will get it instead of PooHols.
Doesn't lead the league? He leads MLB in OPS, Slugging, RC, RC27.....he's so far ahead in those categories it's not even fair to compare.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 26, 2008, 09:10:25 PM
And he's playing hurt, though that should only factor into the psychological side of voting.

He really is the best player ever - most people just don't know it yet.   O0  If he really is just 28 and has 10 years left (and doesn't get hurt), his career numbers will end up matching his greatness, unlike Griffey.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 26, 2008, 10:13:42 PM
Gee, guess who went three for three again?

In five plate appearances, 2 BB's and three hits, includeding a two run homer (36), scoring two runs and 2 RBI's.

Average .357
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on September 26, 2008, 10:22:11 PM
Gee, guess who went three for three again?

In five plate appearances, 2 BB's and three hits, includeding a two run homer (36), scoring two runs and 2 RBI's.

Average .357

And guess who will be sitting at home on Monday? 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 26, 2008, 10:22:56 PM
Oh, and that trooper, Chipper Jones (.365), was withheld except for a pinch hit walk in the ninth, then was removed for a pinch runner.

Then won't let him up enough to lose the batting title.

Not exactly TEd Williams risking .400 by playing both halfs of a doubleheader the last day of the season.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 26, 2008, 10:23:34 PM
And guess who will be sitting at home on Monday? 

You're right, he sucks.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on September 26, 2008, 10:51:05 PM
And guess who will be sitting at home on Monday? 

Go fuck yourself.  He's not the whole team.

It's not his fault they don't have a single decent middle reliever or closer on the whole damn roster.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 26, 2008, 11:02:31 PM
And guess who will be sitting at home on Monday? 

You, after losing losing another job?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 26, 2008, 11:06:46 PM
"The closest we have to Babe Ruth today is Albert Pujols" - Tim Kurkijan

Pujols has 143 FEWER strikeouts than Ryan Howard.  143 FEWER


If Ryan Howard wins his 2nd NL MVP this year over Pujols again, when he didn't even deserve his first one over Pujols, it will be a sad day for baseball.    :)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: H©gHeaded™ on September 26, 2008, 11:18:50 PM
Quote
And guess who will be sitting at home on Monday? 

1926, 1931, 1934, 1942, 1944, 1946, 1964, 1967, 1982, 2006

 :cheers:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on September 26, 2008, 11:37:23 PM
Punch and Judy. Why don't you make like a tree and get out of here?
When one has to explain that one is being sarcastic it kind of kills the whole deal but your reply is subtly funny.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorhog72 on September 27, 2008, 01:00:54 AM
Doesn't lead the league? He leads MLB in OPS, Slugging, RC, RC27.....he's so far ahead in those categories it's not even fair to compare.

I dont let things like stats and facts get in the way of my arguments, asshole.  O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on September 27, 2008, 02:21:23 AM
Go fuck yourself.  He's not the whole team.

It's not his fault they don't have a single decent middle reliever or closer on the whole damn roster. and their manager mailed it in after the trade deadline.
Perez was doing okay as a closer... even though LaRussa refused to officially name him as the closer.

As soon as they rushed Carp back though, he ran to the media and said Carp was the team's closer.



LaRussa is a douchebag.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 27, 2008, 10:05:48 PM
Oh, and that trooper, Chipper Jones (.365), was withheld except for a pinch hit walk in the ninth, then was removed for a pinch runner.

Then won't let him up enough to lose the batting title.

Not exactly TEd Williams risking .400 by playing both halfs of a doubleheader the last day of the season.

Once again, the Chipster sat another out, except for making an out while pinch hitting in the ninth.

Noy exactly Williams-esq.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 17, 2008, 11:14:11 AM
1:00


2 time MVP
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on November 17, 2008, 11:27:01 AM
Good thing the Cardinals didn't trade waive him in this off year he had.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 17, 2008, 01:09:31 PM
I thought this speculatory bumping was a joke.

How the fuck does a bum like this win an award?

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081117&content_id=3681885&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081117&content_id=3681885&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

mlb is a joke, fuck it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on November 17, 2008, 01:14:17 PM
f'in ridiculous.  His team doesn't even make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, the three other finalists made the playoffs, and 2nd place Ryan Howard goes home with the hardware and the ring.  It is  joke. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: CharlieHog on November 17, 2008, 01:24:41 PM
Pujols is the best player in major league baseball.

MVP is an individual award, just like the Cy Young. Neither Cliff Lee nor Tim Lincecum's teams made the playoffs either.

Ryan Howard only had the 4th best EQA on his OWN TEAM. His EQA was .291. Pujols' was .372 (highest in MLB).

And VORP...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: CharlieHog on November 17, 2008, 01:25:01 PM
And I don't even like Albert Pujols or the Cardinals.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on November 17, 2008, 01:33:18 PM
f'in ridiculous.  His team doesn't even make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, the three other finalists made the playoffs, and 2nd place Ryan Howard goes home with the hardware and the ring.  It is  joke. 

I was just watching Mike and Mike in the Morning, and they brought up the fact that Pujols said the same thing when Howard won the MVP, but the Phillies didn't make the playoffs this year. I wonder if the the Great Albert still believes that?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on November 17, 2008, 09:25:24 PM
f'in ridiculous.  His team doesn't even make the playoffs.  Meanwhile, the three other finalists made the playoffs, and 2nd place Ryan Howard goes home with the hardware and the ring.  It is  joke. 

Yes, because it's Albert's fault the Cardinals blew the 4th highest number of saves in MLB history this year, while Howard had a closer with ZERO blown saves.  Howard also batted a hundred points lower that Pujols, while striking out about a brazillion times. 

Both you and Root can go share a big bowl of dicks. 

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ColdPork on November 17, 2008, 09:45:33 PM
Maybe Pujols and Howard can swap trophies.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on November 17, 2008, 09:52:13 PM
^ funny post
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on November 17, 2008, 09:58:43 PM
whatever the radio show is thats on ESPN radio when I drive home said that Pujols needs Tommy John surgery on the elbow.  I knew it was damaged but didnt know it was that bad.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 17, 2008, 11:28:14 PM
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081117&content_id=3681885&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081117&content_id=3681885&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)


It was by some measures the slugger's best season. He hit .357, two points shy of his career high, and set new personal bests with a .462 on-base percentage, a 1.115 OPS and 104 walks. He slugged .653, nearly 30 points better than his career average, cranking 37 homers and 44 doubles. Pujols drove in 116 runs, scored 100 and struck out just 54 times.

"I would say this year was the best because of the consistency that I had from Day One all the way to the end of the season," Pujols said. "I was really patient at the plate."

It was not only a supremely productive season for Pujols, it was a consistent one as well. He never hit lower than .302 in any month, never had an OBP lower than .413 and never slugged below .558. He came on especially strong in the second half, batting .366 and slugging .706 after the All-Star break. Pujols finished seven points behind Chipper Jones in the race for the NL batting title.



He could retire today and be a Hall of Famer and one of the best 10 players of ALL TIME. 


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on November 17, 2008, 11:36:59 PM
[He could retire today and be a Hall of Famer and one of the best 10 players of ALL TIME. 


Now that's just crazy talk.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on November 17, 2008, 11:40:39 PM
Now that's just crazy talk.



Think about it...

That's EIGHT straight HOF equivalent seasons.

Now, how many did Sandy Koufax have?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on November 17, 2008, 11:43:57 PM
I LOVED Sandy Koufax, even as a Cardinal fan ute.

But nobody says he was one of the ten best players of all time.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on November 17, 2008, 11:47:24 PM
I LOVED Sandy Koufax, even as a Cardinal fan ute.

But nobody says he was one of the ten best players of all time.

Sorry, I was talking about the HOF comment. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on November 17, 2008, 11:57:36 PM
Speaking of Top Ten, here's a list Joe Morgan made about ten years ago:

Mays
Ruth
Aaron
Cobb
Mantle
Frank Robinson
DiMaggio
Clemente
Jackie Robinson
Ted Williams

Not a bad list.  Who do you boot out for Albert?

Notable absent:

Gehrig
Christy Matheson
Honus Wagoner
Tris Speaker
Musial
Walter Johnson

If, and I mean if, Albert would put up those numbers for another six years, maybe I move him ahead of F. Robinson (the "weakest" member of Morgan's list), Gehrig, and J. Robinson.  If he ends up over 600 homers, he's in the top 10.

As an aside, if Griffee keeps plugging away for a couple more productive years, I wonder how history treats him.  
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on November 17, 2008, 11:58:19 PM
I LOVED Sandy Koufax, even as a Cardinal fan ute.

But nobody says he was one of the ten best players of all time.

Although, if you look at inactive players, and consider hitting for average AND power...

Ruth
Cobb
Williams
Mays
Musial
Aaron
Bonds
Gehrig
Foxx
.
.
.
.
Who am I missing?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on November 18, 2008, 12:07:17 AM
Speaking of Top Ten, here's a list Joe Morgan made about ten years ago:

Mays
Ruth
Aaron
Cobb
Mantle
Frank Robinson
DiMaggio
Clemente
Jackie Robinson
Ted Williams

Not a bad list.  Who do you boot out for Albert?

Notable absent:

Gehrig


Mantle was great, but not a Top 10, IMO.  Top 25 hitter of all time?  Sure.

Griffey should be in the Top 25, (if we make concessions for Mantle's injuries, then Griffeu should get the same.)

We keep forgetting ARod.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on November 18, 2008, 05:51:34 AM
No lower than .302 in any month.  But Root said he sucked in July.  How can both be true? 

Has Howard ever hit 302 in ANY month, other than on a scale?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on November 18, 2008, 07:57:18 AM
P
Although, if you look at inactive players, and consider hitting for average AND power...

Ruth
Cobb
Williams
Mays
Musial
Aaron
Bonds
Gehrig
Foxx
.
.
.
.
Who am I missing?
Rogers Hornsby
Hank Greenberg


Albert Pujols is 5th on the All-Time career OPS statistic, and ranks #1 all-time for a right handed hitter.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 18, 2008, 11:58:44 AM
A side-by-side career numbers of DiMaggio and Pujols would be interesting.

If Pujols retired today, he'd eventually be looked at similar to the way Jim Brown is in football.  Think about this - 8 years and 7 of them he's been in the top 4 players in the league, including his rookie season.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on November 18, 2008, 12:07:39 PM
A side-by-side career numbers of DiMaggio and Pujols would be interesting.

If Pujols retired today, he'd eventually be looked at similar to the way Jim Brown is in football.  Think about this - 8 years and 7 of them he's been in the top 4 players in the league, including his rookie season.

Except that Jim Brown is also considered the greatest Lacrosse player to ever hold a stick, and was also accomplished in other collegiate sports and is in 3 different HOF's.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on November 18, 2008, 01:44:17 PM
If Jim Brown was so hot, how come he couldn't make it all the way accross the terrace with the grenades in The Dirty Dozen?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on November 18, 2008, 01:47:40 PM
If Jim Brown was so hot, how come he couldn't make it all the way accross the terrace with the grenades in The Dirty Dozen?
To send a big 'fuck you' to Art Modell.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 18, 2008, 05:00:50 PM
Except that Jim Brown is also considered the greatest Lacrosse player to ever hold a stick, and was also accomplished in other collegiate sports and is in 3 different HOF's.

Lacrosse comes up in about .1% of the Jim Brown conversations.

But way to show your googling sports knowledge.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on November 18, 2008, 08:44:52 PM
Lacrosse comes up in about .1% of the Jim Brown conversations.

But way to show your googling sports knowledge.

wrong.  no google needed.  anyone that knows ANYTHING about JB knows that the dude was a stud on the lacrosse field.  shit, watch any documentary and they talk about it, but keep blowing it out your ass.   :P
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 19, 2008, 12:54:43 AM
wrong.  no google needed.  anyone that knows ANYTHING about JB knows that the dude was a stud on the lacrosse field.  aMm, watch any documentary and they talk about it, but keep blowing it out your ass.   :P

And keep watching documentaries. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on November 19, 2008, 01:25:33 PM
And keep watching documentaries. 

No mention of Jim Brown playing the ex heavyweight champ in the all time classic "Mars Attacks?"  He was robbed worse than Morgan Freeman was for his stint in "Driving Miss Daisy" for not getting an Oscar for that gripping performance. 

How about his ongoing argument with Franco Harris as to who would beat whom in a 40 yard dash when Franco was about 30 and Brown was pushing 50?  That's stuff that motivated the ABC series, "Superstars." 

You guys need to stop arguing about things that you know nothing about.  It's showing.


For the record, anytime I've heard Jim Brown mentioned, it's usually 5 minutes into the conversation and somebody mentions his lacrosse exploits.

Kind of like a conversation about Wilt Chamberlain, but 5 minutes into the conversation, after the 100 point game, Globetrotter stint, terrible free throw shooter, championships, sex with 10,000,000 women, the conversation turns to his hall of fame career in the short lived professional volleyball circuit.

I'm a wealth of absolutely worthless information, if you need some help just call.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on November 19, 2008, 02:18:50 PM
No mention of Jim Brown playing the ex heavyweight champ in the all time classic "Mars Attacks?"  He was robbed worse than Morgan Freeman was for his stint in "Driving Miss Daisy" for not getting an Oscar for that gripping performance. 

How about his ongoing argument with Franco Harris as to who would beat whom in a 40 yard dash when Franco was about 30 and Brown was pushing 50?  That's stuff that motivated the ABC series, "Superstars." 

You guys need to stop arguing about things that you know nothing about.  It's showing.


For the record, anytime I've heard Jim Brown mentioned, it's usually 5 minutes into the conversation and somebody mentions his lacrosse exploits.

Kind of like a conversation about Wilt Chamberlain, but 5 minutes into the conversation, after the 100 point game, Globetrotter stint, terrible free throw shooter, championships, sex with 10,000,000 women, the conversation turns to his hall of fame career in the short lived professional volleyball circuit.

I'm a wealth of absolutely worthless information, if you need some help just call.
You mean Battle of the Network Stars.

Telly Savalas just punched out Gabe Kaplan because of you.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on November 19, 2008, 02:35:28 PM
You mean Battle of the Network Stars.

Telly Savalas just punched out Gabe Kaplan because of you.

Correctomundo.  Superstars far superceded Battle of the Network Stars.  I'm hoping that Kojack got his money's worth.  I saw Kaplan on one of those Poker shows not long ago.  Man, he has not aged very gracefully.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on November 19, 2008, 04:48:37 PM
Correctomundo.  Superstars far superceded Battle of the Network Stars.  I'm hoping that Kojack got his money's worth.  I saw Kaplan on one of those Poker shows not long ago.  Man, he has not aged very gracefully.

Ooooh, ooooh ! Mr. Kotter ! Mr. Kotter !!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on November 20, 2008, 02:14:29 PM
If Jim Brown was so hot, how come he couldn't make it all the way accross the terrace with the grenades in The Dirty Dozen?
Funny
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Rob on November 21, 2008, 08:12:19 AM
Or why did he get taken out by a big toe as Hammer in I'm gonna get you sucka?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 21, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
Speaking of Top Ten, here's a list Joe Morgan made about ten years ago:

Mays
Ruth
Aaron
Cobb
Mantle
Frank Robinson
DiMaggio
Clemente
Jackie Robinson
Ted Williams

Not a bad list.  Who do you boot out for Albert?

Notable absent:

Gehrig
Christy Matheson
Honus Wagoner
Tris Speaker
Musial
Walter Johnson

If, and I mean if, Albert would put up those numbers for another six years, maybe I move him ahead of F. Robinson (the "weakest" member of Morgan's list), Gehrig, and J. Robinson.  If he ends up over 600 homers, he's in the top 10.

As an aside, if Griffee keeps plugging away for a couple more productive years, I wonder how history treats him.  

Noticed Bonds was nowhere to be found in that post.  Most people now don't even consider Bonds as one of the greats.  And for anyone that pins Bonds success on steroids, they have to recognize that if not for the roids, Pujols would have 5 (I believe 5) MVP's in his first 8 years.

Unfrickin'believable.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on February 18, 2009, 01:18:44 PM
Noticed Bonds was nowhere to be found in that post.  Most people now don't even consider Bonds as one of the greats.  And for anyone that pins Bonds success on steroids, they have to recognize that if not for the roids, Pujols would have 5 (I believe 5) MVP's in his first 8 years.

Unfrickin'believable.



Rick Reilly agrees:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3915217 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3915217)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 19, 2009, 01:41:50 AM
Rick Reilly agrees:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3915217 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3915217)

I can't believe nobody but Bonds has more than 3 MVPs.  And Pujols really could have 5 in 9 years. 


Best player ever.   O0
Title: The Annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 08, 2009, 05:49:26 PM
Yes.  He already is the best player ever.  I know there will be those that are short-sighted who may not see this yet, but don't fight it too long.

Take his worst ever years EVER in batting average, home runs, and RBI's and he still would be a first ballot hall of famer.  Compare his numbers to the others from his era who have NOT done steroids and nobody even comes close.

Title: Re: The Annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tim Calhoun on April 08, 2009, 05:55:53 PM
Yes.  He already is the best player ever.  I know there will be those that are short-sighted who may not see this yet, but don't fight it too long.

Take his worst ever years EVER in batting average, home runs, and RBI's and he still would be a first ballot hall of famer.  Compare his numbers to the others from his era who have NOT done steroids and nobody even comes close.



why cant we compare him to people who took steroids?  do you have proof that he didnt?  this is the era of steroids so one has to assume EVERYONE did them.... well other than griffey!!
Title: Re: The Annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on April 08, 2009, 07:37:57 PM
he is a juicer, fuck him
Title: Re: The Annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 08, 2009, 11:12:35 PM
If he's not batting 1.000, he should be traded.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 09, 2009, 07:56:10 AM
I didn't watch Sportscenter this morning, and I only saw the tail end of the play last night as I was switching channels.  Apparently, a Pirate hits a single into right field, and Pujols went wide to try and get it.  The 2nd baseman went towards first and went ahead and covered 1st.  The runner rounds 1st, the throw back in comes to Pujols and he whips the ball (without looking) to first and they tag the guy out. 

I don't know if you can ever call a player who is still playing the best ever, but I guess since it happened with Jordan and Gretzky, you could make a good argument for Pujols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 09, 2009, 08:23:08 AM
Yeah, but what does he do for you when it counts, you know, in early July?

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 09, 2009, 08:43:07 AM
Yeah, but what does he do for you when it counts, you know, in early July?



LaRussa's fucking dumbass left him on the god damn bench in 07.
Title: Re: The Annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 09, 2009, 10:36:12 AM
why cant we compare him to people who took steroids?  do you have proof that he didnt?  this is the era of steroids so one has to assume EVERYONE did them.... well other than griffey!!

You can't prove a negative, except to say he's never tested positive and nobody has ever come out claiming he did take them.

I'm trying to somehow find the article SI did on him a couple weeks ago, but it's all discussed in there.


And I see my thread was combined into my old thread.  How is it an annual thread then?

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 09, 2009, 10:38:51 AM
I didn't watch Sportscenter this morning, and I only saw the tail end of the play last night as I was switching channels.  Apparently, a Pirate hits a single into right field, and Pujols went wide to try and get it.  The 2nd baseman went towards first and went ahead and covered 1st.  The runner rounds 1st, the throw back in comes to Pujols and he whips the ball (without looking) to first and they tag the guy out. 

I don't know if you can ever call a player who is still playing the best ever, but I guess since it happened with Jordan and Gretzky, you could make a good argument for Pujols.
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That's the type of play he makes all the time, and mostly they go unnoticed.  He doesn't JUST hit .330 with 40 HR's and 120 RBI's every year, he gets the Cardinals extra runs by running the bases hard and making all the "little" plays.

He could be compared to Tiger in that way.  Not only does he have the best talent and best numbers, but he's also the best at all the intangibles a player needs to be in the discussion of the best player ever.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on April 09, 2009, 11:10:04 AM
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That's the type of play he makes all the time, and mostly they go unnoticed.  He doesn't JUST hit .330 with 40 HR's and 120 RBI's every year, he gets the Cardinals extra runs by running the bases hard and making all the "little" plays.

He could be compared to Tiger in that way.  Not only does he have the best talent and best numbers, but he's also the best at all the intangibles a player needs to be in the discussion of the best player ever.


Slight problem with your logic.  Tiger wins. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 09, 2009, 11:14:15 AM
Tiger also gets to take every at bat.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ColdPork on April 09, 2009, 12:47:44 PM
Pujols probably not juiced

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/61181/index.html?eref=fromSI (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/61181/index.html?eref=fromSI)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 09, 2009, 01:43:44 PM
I've got a question and its borderline philosophical, so we may not be able to wrap our minds around this yet.

If the "annual" Pujols threads get merged into one, doesn't that mean it is no longer annual?
Shouldn't it now be THE Pujols thread?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 09, 2009, 01:47:47 PM
Would it be the perennial Pujols thread?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 09, 2009, 01:50:26 PM
The "Perpetual" Pujols is the best player ever thread.

duh.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 09, 2009, 01:50:34 PM
Would it be the perennial Pujols thread?
That's perennially asinine.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on April 09, 2009, 02:30:59 PM
That's perennially asinine.
your big words hurts my ears.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 09, 2009, 02:46:39 PM
The "Perpetual" Pujols is the best player ever thread.

duh.

Duh? Don't be the perpetrator behind some conspiracy here.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 09, 2009, 03:04:56 PM
I may be the biggest Pujols fan around here but he is not the best baseball player of all time and likely will never be.  He isn't a good enough defensive player.

He's certainly no liability or a stiff stuck over at first just because you have to hide your big stick somewhere.  He's a good defensive first baseman but not a great one and certainly not a great overall defensive player.  Yes, he goes to his right well but for every slick play like described above against the Pirates, he also takes balls away from his second basemen and turns what should be routine 4-3 groundouts into hard to make 3-4 or 3-1 plays, some of which aren't in time or are deflected into the outfield.

His baserunning is very smart and effective but he rarely steals a base.  He's so smart running the bases it ALMOST doesn't matter but he really isn't very fast.

To me, the "greatest player ever" has to be great in all five phases like Willie Mays was.  Albert is the best of his generation but his defense and speed are good but not legendary.  In their primes, I think history will judge Mays to be a little better.  However, Albert's "prime" began his rookie year and shows no sign of stopping, so who knows ... he may have 20 years of "prime."
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 09, 2009, 04:55:19 PM
I may be the biggest Pujols fan around here but he is not the best baseball player of all time and likely will never be.  He isn't a good enough defensive player.


Did you read the Sports Illustrated article from a couple weeks ago that I can't find online?

It discussed a little about how some "stat guru" has a mechanism by where he judges players on defense, taking into account more than just fielding percentage.  Anyway, it wasn't exactly explained in the article, but Pujols finished as the best defensive 1st basemen 4 out of the 5 years he's played the position.

And, when you throw in that he was a SS in high school, 3B when he came up, and LF when they need one, it's pretty darn impressive. 

Maybe we could just agree he's the best utility player ever.   8-)


By the way, the article also stated in his senior year of high school, he was INTENTIONALLY walked 55 out of 88 plate appearances.   :stunned:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: wvhawgfan on April 09, 2009, 05:08:19 PM
I don't think there is any doubt that Pujols is head and shoulders above any player in this generation.  I'm just not sure that any comparisons between players from different generations are valid.  If he retired today he's still a first ballot hall of famer.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 11, 2009, 06:38:12 PM
04/11/09 is another good day to make sure this thread doesn't wander too far down the page

2 HR, 7 ribbies, good day's work I'd say
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 24, 2009, 02:47:22 PM
For those scoring at home, Pujols now has 998 career RBI's, tied at #261 with Wally Pipp.  Remember him?  The guy who was tired or nicked up or hungover and they let him have a day off and let the back-up firstbaseman play-- Lou Gehrig.

Anyway, to be ranked #100 today you'd need 1296. Almost 10% (22) of those ahead of him and Carlos Beltran (Card's website says he has 996 but baseballreference.com shows him with 999) are still active.

Alltime leader with 2297 is Hank Aaron.  Only others with more than 2000 are Ruth (2217) and Capp Anson (2076).  #4 and the only "active" player in the Top 17 is Bonds with 1996, one more than Gehrig.

So, if, if, if Pujols were to have eight more years just like his first eight, on average, he'd catch Bonds and 2000 (assuming Bonds goes ahead and quits) early in 2017, making him 4th all time, #3 in the modren era.  To catch Aaron, he'll have to keep this up and play 19 years.

When you look at some of some of these all time records, even though it is impossible to compare records from different eras but it is still impressive to see how long and consistently guys like Aaron, Cobb, Ruth, etc. had to produce. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 24, 2009, 03:34:06 PM
As weird as it is to say, Aaron is one of the most underrated pure hitters of all time. Everyone associates him with 755 HR's but when they name the greatest hitters in the game, they deservedly start with Ted Williams and often name about 5 others before Aaron even enters their mind.

He was a great hitter early in his career before he started consciously hitting for power. Its a cliche thing to say, but you read what his teammates and opponents say about him from when he started. His career started not too unlike Pujols, in terms of breaking out so quickly.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 24, 2009, 03:45:25 PM
As weird as it is to say, Aaron is one of the most underrated pure hitters of all time. Everyone associates him with 755 HR's but when they name the greatest hitters in the game, they deservedly start with Ted Williams and often name about 5 others before Aaron even enters their mind.

He was a great hitter early in his career before he started consciously hitting for power. Its a cliche thing to say, but you read what his teammates and opponents say about him from when he started. His career started not too unlike Pujols, in terms of breaking out so quickly.

I entirely agree.  It grieves me Bonds has his record.

I suspect it bugs him, too, but he's too much of a gentleman to whine about.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 25, 2009, 05:36:05 PM
bases loaded, one out. bottom of 7.
Cards up 3-1.

Pujols knocks the complete shit out of the the first pitch and sends out of the facilities in left.

It's 7-1 now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 25, 2009, 05:37:32 PM
Attention to low flying aircraft and the USAF Space Command:

Albert Pujols' Grand Slam will land sometime early this evening in western Illinois.

Cards now up 7-1 over Cubbies after 7.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 25, 2009, 07:09:46 PM
Just got home from the game.  Awesomeness.   :beer:  0-3 on the day, the crowd stands up cheering expecting him to do something as he comes to the plate, and he delivers again. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 25, 2009, 07:42:08 PM
Just got home from the game.  Awesomeness.   :beer:  0-3 on the day, the crowd stands up cheering expecting him to do something as he comes to the plate, and he delivers again. 

Yeah, he gets a standing ovation before that at bat, on national tv, with the opening to the jaws theme playing over the stadium speakers.

And he kills the first pitch, like everyone expected him to. Unreal.

I lept off my couch right after he made contact. It reminded me of the bomb he knocked off the glass against Lidge.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: MDEM on April 26, 2009, 08:18:30 AM
You remind me of a woopig wannabe keyboard badass.

It was right about this time that the P&R boys gave Root66 a dose of his own medicine.  He took his ball and R-U-N-O-F-F-T...speaking of keyboard badasses.   :D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on April 27, 2009, 10:27:59 AM
He'll slump in May, June, July and probably still win MVP.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on April 27, 2009, 10:36:27 AM
He'll slump in May, June, July and probably still win MVP.
By slump you mean still over 1.0 for OPS, right?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on April 27, 2009, 11:45:10 AM
never mind, that video sucked.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 27, 2009, 11:48:53 AM
And the other night, he won a game with his legs, yet again.  Singled, stole second, and scored the winning run.  The guy is not JUST a .330, 38 HR, 120 RBI player.   8-)


And he has 25 RBI's in 19 games?  He's on a Josh Hamilton pace.   ;)


One more thing.  If you haven't seen this guy play, it is worth the ticket price, the drive, the hotel, the pregame meal, the beer in the 4th inning, and the 10 block walk just to see him hit 3 times.     :thumbup:

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 27, 2009, 02:23:12 PM
It was right about this time that the P&R boys gave Root66 a dose of his own medicine.  He took his ball and R-U-N-O-F-F-T...speaking of keyboard badasses.   :D
Well, he pretty much had so many facts thrown in his face here, that he got desperate.

He wrote a letter to the editor of the P-D which was so batshit insane they printed it, clipped it out, scanned it, then posted the pic of it here; as if it validated his opinion.

When he cobtuned to get reamed here and in P&R... That's when he decided it might be time for him to R-U-N-N-O-F-T.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 06, 2009, 07:34:53 PM
Albert just hit his 11th home run of the season. 

Last two ab's have been home runs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on May 06, 2009, 09:33:11 PM
Greatest.


Player.


Ever.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on May 07, 2009, 06:47:37 AM
By slump you mean still over 1.0 for OPS, right?

He's got a smooth 1.214 at the moment if I am calculating it right (on base % + slugging %)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on May 07, 2009, 08:37:41 AM
If he never plays another inning, he'll be just fine.

In a day of spoiled, pampered athletes, he is a hurricane of fresh air.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153053/1/index.htm (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153053/1/index.htm)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on May 07, 2009, 09:30:30 AM
4/4 with a dinger doesn't hurt the stats.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 07, 2009, 10:08:10 AM
If he never plays another inning, he'll be just fine.

In a day of spoiled, pampered athletes, he is a hurricane of fresh air.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153053/1/index.htm (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153053/1/index.htm)

Interesting read. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on May 08, 2009, 03:31:34 PM
If he never plays another inning, he'll be just fine.

In a day of spoiled, pampered athletes, he is a hurricane of fresh air.

http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153053/1/index.htm (http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1153053/1/index.htm)

This is the article I kept citing in the thread earlier but was too dumb to find on the internets.  Thanks.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 10, 2009, 07:08:09 PM
Jayson Starks awards for the month of April.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=stark_jayson&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dstark_jayson (http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=stark_jayson&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fespn%2fblog%2findex%3fname%3dstark_jayson)

Player of the month
Introducing Mr. Albert Pujols, ladies and gentlemen. You were expecting Humberto Quintero, perhaps? Pujols is on pace for your basic 56-homer, 197-RBI, 157-run, 28-stolen-base, 1.132 OPS season. But beyond that, he heads into May with more homers (eight) than strikeouts (seven). The only 30-homer man in the past 50 years with more homers than whiffs over a full season: Barry Bonds in 2004 (45 home runs, 41 strikeouts).
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on May 11, 2009, 12:56:52 AM
Today, 1 for 3 plus 3 WALKS.  The only hit was a monster homer.  Scored 3 runs.  And for good measure, a steal.

After 31 games:

.330     12 HR's    33 RBI's      32 runs

Stark's nmbers may not be far off.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 12, 2009, 09:17:22 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn)

Triple crown threat
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: CharlieHog on May 12, 2009, 09:30:15 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/notebook?page=bbtn)

Triple crown threat

This idea that a guy shouldn't hit home runs is kind of preposterous. Hitting home runs does help your team win.

Last year Ryan Howard had 34 fewer hits than Pujols but scored 5 more runs and had 30 more RBI. (Howard hit 11 more home runs.)

Of course Ryan Howard was on a far better team. But that's all the more reason for Pujols to just go ahead and hit home runs. He's his own best chance to score.

If Pujols had "easily" led the league in HR he would have gone from 14th in runs scored to 6th.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on May 12, 2009, 11:20:29 AM
This idea that a guy shouldn't hit home runs is kind of preposterous. Hitting home runs does help your team win.

Last year Ryan Howard had 34 fewer hits than Pujols but scored 5 more runs and had 30 more RBI. (Howard hit 11 more home runs.)

Of course Ryan Howard was on a far better team. But that's all the more reason for Pujols to just go ahead and hit home runs. He's his own best chance to score.

If Pujols had "easily" led the league in HR he would have gone from 14th in runs scored to 6th.

How do you "try" and hit more home runs?  Change your swing?  Swing harder?  Uppercut like Glass Joe?

And your statement at the end presumes Pujols would have had the same amount of walks and hits, with the added home runs.  In that case, yes, if you can have the same amount of walks and hits, more home runs is better than less home runs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 12, 2009, 11:34:18 AM
Well yeah, you try to hit for power every at bat instead of simply trying to get a hit.

Ty Cobb was one that was never impressed with Ruth, claiming that if he tried to hit a HR in every at bat, he could easily do the same.

I'll have to look it up later, but he actually did it for a stretch of time to prove his point... And succeeded at hitting plenty of HR's.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: CharlieHog on May 12, 2009, 01:08:08 PM
And your statement at the end presumes Pujols would have had the same amount of walks and hits, with the added home runs.  In that case, yes, if you can have the same amount of walks and hits, more home runs is better than less home runs.


Fair enough.

Pujols had 302 combined hits, walks, ibbs, and HBP and he scored 100 runs.
Howard had 254 combined hits, walks, ibbs, and HBP and he scored 105 runs.

Scoring runs is the object of the game. And even though Howard reached base almost 50 fewer times, he scored more runs.

Howard played on a better team yes, but his teammates drove him in just 54% of the time (his other runs scored were himself driving himself in). Pujols teammates drove him in 63% of the time.


I'm not saying Pujols can or should try to hit more home runs.

I just think sometimes homeruns get made out to be evil but hitting a home run is basically the best thing you can do in any single at-bat. You don't make an out, and you've scored a run. If you get a hit or walk, that's good, but you still might not score.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 12, 2009, 01:19:48 PM

Fair enough.

Pujols had 302 combined hits, walks, ibbs, and HBP and he scored 100 runs.
Howard had 254 combined hits, walks, ibbs, and HBP and he scored 105 runs.

Scoring runs is the object of the game. And even though Howard reached base almost 50 fewer times, he scored more runs.

Howard played on a better team yes, but his teammates drove him in just 54% of the time (his other runs scored were himself driving himself in). Pujols teammates drove him in 63% of the time.


I'm not saying Pujols can or should try to hit more home runs.

I just think sometimes homeruns get made out to be evil but hitting a home run is basically the best thing you can do in any single at-bat. You don't make an out, and you've scored a run. If you get a hit or walk, that's good, but you still might not score.


You're missing a key ingredient.

Generally, hitters that hit more HR's have a much higher K-rate, which is more detrimental to the team. Obvious out is made, runners don't advance, power and talent of the hitter wasted in that at bat.

One could make a broad assumption that Pujols is driven in by teammates more often simply because he does not K as much, and is on base more. I don't feel like looking up stats, though.

Right now, Pujols has more HR's than K's, which is astonishing.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hog X on May 12, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
I'll have to look it up later, but he actually did it for a stretch of time to prove his point... And succeeded at hitting plenty of HR's.

I remember hearing about this story...

After enduring several years of seeing his fame and notoriety usurped by Ruth, Cobb decided that he was going to show that swinging for the fences was no challenge for a top hitter. On May 5, 1925, Cobb began a two-game hitting spree better than any even Ruth had unleashed. He was sitting in the dugout talking to a reporter and told him that, for the first time in his career, he was going to swing for the fences. That day, Cobb went 6 for 6, with two singles, a double, and three home runs.[60] His 16 total bases set a new AL record. The next day he had three more hits, two of which were home runs. His single his first time up gave him 9 consecutive hits over three games. His five homers in two games tied the record set by Cap Anson of the old Chicago NL team in 1884.[60] Cobb wanted to show that he could hit home runs when he wanted, but simply chose not to do so. At the end of the series, 38-year-old Cobb had gone 12 for 19 with 29 total bases, and then went happily back to bunting and hitting-and-running. For his part, Ruth's attitude was that "I could have had a lifetime .600 average, but I would have had to hit them singles. The people were paying to see me hit home runs."[61]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: CharlieHog on May 12, 2009, 01:44:39 PM
You're missing a key ingredient.

Generally, hitters that hit more HR's have a much higher K-rate, which is more detrimental to the team. Obvious out is made, runners don't advance, power and talent of the hitter wasted in that at bat.

One could make a broad assumption that Pujols is driven in by teammates more often simply because he does not K as much, and is on base more. I don't feel like looking up stats, though.

Right now, Pujols has more HR's than K's, which is astonishing.


I'm not missing it. My whole point was all that getting on base doesn't help Pujols score as many times as Howard (that's what she said).
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on May 12, 2009, 01:49:25 PM

I'm not missing it. My whole point was all that getting on base doesn't help Pujols score as many times as Howard (that's what she said).
I'd bet that Pujols moves more runners into scoring position. Sometimes it isn't about your direct stats, but indirect activities that affect team outcomes.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 12, 2009, 02:11:54 PM
I'd bet that Pujols moves more runners into scoring position. Sometimes it isn't about your direct stats, but indirect activities that affect team outcomes.

Right, that's the point I was trying to hit. RBIs and runs don't tell the whole story. There is such a thing as a productive out, of which a K is not.

Pujols is the most dangerous hitter out there simply because he'll take a walk. He's patient and his pitch selection is incredible.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on May 12, 2009, 02:17:39 PM
After a big raise, a reporter asked Ruth about him getting the raise and therefore making more than President Hoover.  This was about the time of the Big Crash of '29.

Ruth said, "I had a better year."

Anyway, Stephen makes a good point.  Howard (and I like Ryan Howard, this isn't a Albert is better than Ryan thing) has had 199 K's in each of the last two years.  Yes, when he does connect, he is responsible for creating lots of runs.  However, when he wiffs, about all you can say is, "well, at least it wasn't a DP."  When someone like Pujols with almost as good power but (historically) a much higher batting average with lots fewer K's makes an out, they tend to contribute to the creation of runs in ways that don't show up in the most popularly cited stats.

A gound out or a long fly to center may get a runner in scoring position or even to third with less than two out.  That guy scores, Pujols (or whoever) gets no RBI.  Both batters make an out and get no credit for a H, HR, or RBI.  The effects on their respective triple crown stats are identical.  Yet one contributes to creating a run (if it later scores) and the other does not.

Bill James made a significant tweak to "runs created" stat keeping in 2002.   Some will find it interesting. It supposedly a pretty accurate predictor of run production on a team.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created)

By the way, Howard has raised his average this year almost 40 points and is striking out less.  However, his HR rate seems to have dropped a little.  If it stays that way, his numbers and Pujols this year will be more "apples and apples" this year as opposed to the "apples and oranges" the last two years.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on May 12, 2009, 02:26:41 PM
After a big raise, a reporter asked Ruth about him getting the raise and therefore making more than President Hoover.  This was about the time of the Big Crash of '29.

Ruth said, "I had a better year."

Anyway, Stephen makes a good point.  Howard (and I like Ryan Howard, this isn't a Albert is better than Ryan thing) has had 199 K's in each of the last two years.  Yes, when he does connect, he is responsible for creating lots of runs.  However, when he wiffs, about all you can say is, "well, at least it wasn't a DP."  When someone like Pujols with almost as good power but (historically) a much higher batting average with lots fewer K's makes an out, they tend to contribute to the creation of runs in ways that don't show up in the most popularly cited stats.

A gound out or a long fly to center may get a runner in scoring position or even to third with less than two out.  That guy scores, Pujols (or whoever) gets no RBI.  Both batters make an out and get no credit for a H, HR, or RBI.  The effects on their respective triple crown stats are identical.  Yet one contributes to creating a run (if it later scores) and the other does not.

Bill James made a significant tweak to "runs created" stat keeping in 2002.   Some will find it interesting. It supposedly a pretty accurate predictor of run production on a team.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runs_created)

By the way, Howard has raised his average this year almost 40 points and is striking out less.  However, his HR rate seems to have dropped a little.  If it stays that way, his numbers and Pujols this year will be more "apples and apples" this year as opposed to the "apples and oranges" the last two years.
Hence the RC27 stat. That is what I was trying to remember.

Last year, Pujols led with 10.9, and Howard was 51st with 6.31.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 12, 2009, 02:29:01 PM
Yeah I really like Howard too, even though he absolutely kills the Cardinals everytime he plays them.

There is no real way to compare him to Pujols though in terms of total value to each team. Pujols is the better defender for one and I doubt many would argue that much. 
He's not really the same mold of hitter either, is he? I've always thought Howard would be more like a Jim Thome, then again I'm probably way off.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 12, 2009, 07:02:20 PM
AP went yard again tonight.  Says a true allstar first baseman wouldnt have been 25lbs over weight to begin with.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: MC Pee Pants on May 13, 2009, 07:18:20 AM
Right, that's the point I was trying to hit. RBIs and runs don't tell the whole story. There is such a thing as a productive out, of which a K is not.


Very true.  While a HR is the best possible outcome for an AB like CharlieHog said, a K is the worst possible outcome (or maybe second worstest).  Even considering double plays I would think some stat guy could argue a K is the worst outcome since a DP can still score a run or move a guy to third with the chance of scoring obviously a lot greater even with two outs. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: MC Pee Pants on May 13, 2009, 07:27:26 AM
Hence the RC27 stat. That is what I was trying to remember.

Last year, Pujols led with 10.9, and Howard was 51st with 6.31.

I always wondered what a team of 9 Albert Pujols would do in a game.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on May 13, 2009, 08:37:50 AM
I always wondered what a team of 9 Albert Pujols would do in a game.
Destroy the time/space continuum.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on May 13, 2009, 08:42:46 AM
I always wondered what a team of 9 Albert Pujols would do in a game.

There would be lots of pain, and that would just start with the Albert that made an error or struck out.  The other 8 Alberts would destroy the defected model. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 13, 2009, 09:54:12 AM
There would be lots of pain, and that would just start with the Albert that made an error or struck out.  The other 8 Alberts would destroy the defected model. 
If there was 9 alberts, there wouldnt be any k's or errors.  There would just be perfect games, night in and night out
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on May 13, 2009, 11:21:17 AM
I always wondered what a team of 9 Albert Pujols would do in a game.

A baseball diamond can't hold the sheer size of his 9 heads.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on May 13, 2009, 11:35:20 AM
I always wondered what a team of 9 Albert Pujols would do in a game.

It wouldn't be a game...It'd be the world's longest inning...

bat around, bat around, bat around, bat around, bat around
rinse, repeat
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on May 13, 2009, 01:38:39 PM
My son has Albert pitch on the Wii MLB game all the time.  Seems like he only is able to throw 78 mph, but with Albert playing every other position, it is pretty awesome.  Occasionally, he will sub in one of the left handed guys to play 3rd base just for the hilarity of watching them field a ground ball and awkwardly throw it to first base.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 13, 2009, 03:22:19 PM
It wouldn't be a game...It'd be the world's longest inning...

bat around, bat around, bat around, bat around, bat around
rinse, repeat
Youre right.  The home team would never bat.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: dixiecupdrinker on May 13, 2009, 07:31:51 PM
I remember hearing about this story...

After enduring several years of seeing his fame and notoriety usurped by Ruth, Cobb decided that he was going to show that swinging for the fences was no challenge for a top hitter. On May 5, 1925, Cobb began a two-game hitting spree better than any even Ruth had unleashed. He was sitting in the dugout talking to a reporter and told him that, for the first time in his career, he was going to swing for the fences. That day, Cobb went 6 for 6, with two singles, a double, and three home runs.[60] His 16 total bases set a new AL record. The next day he had three more hits, two of which were home runs. His single his first time up gave him 9 consecutive hits over three games. His five homers in two games tied the record set by Cap Anson of the old Chicago NL team in 1884.[60] Cobb wanted to show that he could hit home runs when he wanted, but simply chose not to do so. At the end of the series, 38-year-old Cobb had gone 12 for 19 with 29 total bases, and then went happily back to bunting and hitting-and-running. For his part, Ruth's attitude was that "I could have had a lifetime .600 average, but I would have had to hit them singles. The people were paying to see me hit home runs."[61]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb)

HGH
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on May 13, 2009, 11:59:35 PM
HGH

The problem with the HGH theory is that Albert is bigger than he has ever been, so to say he was at one time taking HGH but not now is pretty foolish.  He is tested quite often.  Although HGH is a naturally occurring hormone, and cannot be directly detected, there are tests that make pretty accurate prediction as to whether too much HGH is in a person's body, plus, if you take HGH, you gain mass in the easily built up areas (triceps, biceps, pecs).  Albert has big arms, but he doesn't have body builder arms, the bicep is not deformed, and his triceps look exactly like they did when he broke into the league.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: notaslibro on May 14, 2009, 12:06:35 AM
The problem with the HGH theory is that Albert is bigger than he has ever been, so to say he was at one time taking HGH but not now is pretty foolish.  He is tested quite often.  Although HGH is a naturally occurring hormone, and cannot be directly detected, there are tests that make pretty accurate prediction as to whether too much HGH is in a person's body, plus, if you take HGH, you gain mass in the easily built up areas (triceps, biceps, pecs).  Albert has big arms, but he doesn't have body builder arms, the bicep is not deformed, and his triceps look exactly like they did when he broke into the league.


I am more than a little troubled by your precise description of his physique.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on May 14, 2009, 12:14:04 AM

I am more than a little troubled by your precise description of his physique.



Troubled?  What do you expect from me?  I'm a doctor not a poetry writer, Jim.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: notaslibro on May 14, 2009, 12:31:21 AM
Troubled?  What do you expect from me?  I'm a doctor not a poetry writer, Jim.

Warp speed, Mr. Sulu.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 14, 2009, 08:42:50 PM
1 hit, 2 rbi and a stolen base so far tonight. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on May 14, 2009, 09:02:40 PM
1 hit, 2 rbi and a stolen base so far tonight. 
and a blow job from you
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 14, 2009, 11:48:20 PM
how in the world does Pujols have 6 sb's already?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on May 15, 2009, 12:41:55 AM
Well, the other night he reached and Philly or Washington, whoever, had the firstbaseman playing behind him with the left-handed  Duncan up behind him.  So Pujols just took off.  He's always been a smart base runner, even thugh he's not especially fast.  He's good at picking his spots.

THe TV guys are saying that the two previous seasons he's had foot problems that weren't widely publizied. If true, that might account for some of the SB's this year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 15, 2009, 08:42:29 AM
Well, the other night he reached and Philly or Washington, whoever, had the firstbaseman playing behind him with the left-handed  Duncan up behind him.  So Pujols just took off.  He's always been a smart base runner, even thugh he's not especially fast.  He's good at picking his spots.

THe TV guys are saying that the two previous seasons he's had foot problems that weren't widely publizied. If true, that might account for some of the SB's this year.

He's generally just as selective on the basepaths as he is with pitches.

But yeah, back in 05 I believe he had 16, 17 or 18 SB's. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on May 15, 2009, 11:07:56 AM
Albert Pujols >>> the love child of BMFP and Bill Brasky. 


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on May 15, 2009, 12:52:47 PM
 O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on May 15, 2009, 12:59:11 PM
O0

looks like the old man cut a fart and albert got a whiff of it while stan just laughs about his misery.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on May 16, 2009, 06:29:10 PM
I guess Albert didn't want to play last night.  He could have stopped the rain if he wanted to.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on May 21, 2009, 07:35:45 PM
Roy Hobbs   Albert Pujols just knocked the "I" out in the "Big Mac Land" sign on the upper deck.  HR #14.

Cards 1-0 over Cubs after 1.

(http://images.wikia.com/openserving/sports/images/thumb/0/09/Hobbs.jpg/240px-Hobbs.jpg)

(http://blog.lib.umn.edu/snackeru/greet/images/thenatural.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on May 25, 2009, 01:36:41 PM
There's no "I" in team.  There's not one in B g Mac Land either, now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 02, 2009, 11:34:01 PM
Pujols went 1-for-3 tonight, including a 2-out, 2-RBI double and a run-scoring groundout.

He also drew his 17th intentional walk, by far the most in the Show.  No one else even has 10.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 03, 2009, 02:36:23 PM
One of the downsides of Larusa's "bat-the-pitcher-eighth-and-Albert-third-so-he's-still-the-clean up-man-but-he'll-always-bat-in-the-first-inning" strategery is that if the real lead-off man gets on in the first inning, they sacrifice him over and take the bat out of Albert's hands in the first inning.  Or if one of the first two guys doubles and the other is retired, same thing.

I guess if Dusty (or whoever) wants to give you first and second with one out, you don't complain.  But it makes it all the more important you have somebody hitting behind Pujols who can make the other guy pay.  Last night it wasn't Duncan it was some other .260 hitter.  Are they going to wait to Albert is 35 to pay the money for a big stick who can play third or corner outfielder?

To quote Imus, "the future is NOW." 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 03, 2009, 04:10:03 PM
One of the downsides of Larusa's "bat-the-pitcher-eighth-and-Albert-third-so-he's-still-the-clean up-man-but-he'll-always-bat-in-the-first-inning" strategery is that if the real lead-off man gets on in the first inning, they sacrifice him over and take the bat out of Albert's hands in the first inning.  Or if one of the first two guys doubles and the other is retired, same thing.

I guess if Dusty (or whoever) wants to give you first and second with one out, you don't complain.  But it makes it all the more important you have somebody hitting behind Pujols who can make the other guy pay.  Last night it wasn't Duncan it was some other .260 hitter.  Are they going to wait to Albert is 35 to pay the money for a big stick who can play third or corner outfielder?

To quote Imus, "the future is NOW." 

Write it down.  Albert will not end his career as a Cardinal.  He will be a Yankee, or play for a team who will write some checks not only to him, but a bat or two to ensure he gets pitched to.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 04, 2009, 09:58:41 PM
Oh, hai. I'm Albert Pujols. I'm doing this:

hitting .349
2.4 BB per K (leads MLB) 43 walks 18 k's.
11.27 RC27 (leads MLB)
18 home runs (3rd)
48 RBI (3rd)
1.149 OPS (1st)
.470 OBP (2nd)
.700 slug (1st)
54 RC (1st)

Plus other stuff I'm really high on the list. Tonight? We won 3-2. I had a HR, a double and all three RBI while going 2-4 with no K's.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 04, 2009, 11:26:10 PM
18 HRs & 18 K's. 

Wow.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on June 04, 2009, 11:38:07 PM
Oh, hai. I'm Albert Pujols. I'm doing this:


Ur really good....
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 05, 2009, 08:06:37 AM
Oh, hai. I'm Albert Pujols. I'm doing this:

hitting .349
2.4 BB per K (leads MLB) 43 walks 18 k's.
11.27 RC27 (leads MLB)
18 home runs (3rd)
48 RBI (3rd)
1.149 OPS (1st)
.470 OBP (2nd)
.700 slug (1st)
54 RC (1st)

Plus other stuff I'm really high on the list. Tonight? We won 3-2. I had a HR, a double and all three RBI while going 2-4 with no K's.


His only out of the game was a 725 mph line shot that the Reds 3rd baseman saved his life on by sticking his glove up in self defense.  In the meantime, Dusty Baker is still pitching to him in a 1 run game.  I sure don't miss Dusty.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on June 05, 2009, 10:50:49 AM
Write it down.  Albert will not end his career as a Cardinal.  He will be a Yankee, or play for a team who will write some checks not only to him, but a bat or two to ensure he gets pitched to.

Standing $100 bet with you that Albert will ALWAYS be a Cardinal. Watch who the Cards trade for in the next month for "protection." Watch them renegotiate anew and extended contract next year to insure he plays there his whole career.

Sound OK, Author ?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 07, 2009, 08:20:38 PM
Standing $100 bet with you that Albert will ALWAYS be a Cardinal. Watch who the Cards trade for in the next month for "protection." Watch them renegotiate anew and extended contract next year to insure he plays there his whole career.

Sound OK, Author ?

I never bet money on baseball.  If the Cardinals make a trade to put another quality bat in the lineup, I'll be in shock. 

When does Pujols' current contract run out?  If he's not made the highest paid in baseball, he needs to leave.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 07, 2009, 08:27:41 PM
I never bet money on baseball.  If the Cardinals make a trade to put another quality bat in the lineup, I'll be in shock. 

When does Pujols' current contract run out?  If he's not made the highest paid in baseball, he needs to leave.
He will always be a Cardinal. By the way, he had two RBI on a sac fly today. True story.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 07, 2009, 08:35:16 PM
He will always be a Cardinal. By the way, he had two RBI on a sac fly today. True story.

He may very well retire as a Cardinal, but Mays, Aaron, Ruth, and a long list of other greats, did not retire with the team they hit it big with.

If he is willing to settle for less than what the market will pay, he will stay a Cardinal.  Of course, he's the type of guy who would settle for less money, but if they don't bring in somebody to keep him from being intentionally walked half the time, he shouldn't be blamed if he looks elsewhere.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 07, 2009, 08:49:20 PM
He may very well retire as a Cardinal, but Mays, Aaron, Ruth, and a long list of other greats, did not retire with the team they hit it big with.

If he is willing to settle for less than what the market will pay, he will stay a Cardinal.  Of course, he's the type of guy who would settle for less money, but if they don't bring in somebody to keep him from being intentionally walked half the time, he shouldn't be blamed if he looks elsewhere.
They ARE shopping. Injuries are hurting right now.

 Plus, I don't think we need advice from a Cubs fan.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 08, 2009, 08:16:20 AM
They ARE shopping. Injuries are hurting right now.

 Plus, I don't think we need advice from a Cubs fan.

There they go, every time I start talkin 'bout boxing, a white man got to pull Rocky Marciano out they ass. That's their one, that's their one. Rocky Marciano. Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you something once and for all. Rocky Marciano was good, but compared to Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano ain't shit.

I hereby place a curse on whomever the Cards bat in front and behind Pujols for that cheap shot by the way.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on June 08, 2009, 09:37:59 AM
The Cards may have lost, BUT Albert Pujols hit a 2 run sac. fly yesterday....

Don't see that everyday...

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on June 08, 2009, 03:39:36 PM
The Cards may have lost, BUT Albert Pujols hit a 2 run sac. fly yesterday....

Don't see that everyday...


How did that play out?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on June 08, 2009, 11:41:37 PM
fuck if I know....read it in the paper...

sounded way kool though... O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Micky O'Boarke on June 09, 2009, 08:42:09 AM
here is how that played out

link (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090607&content_id=5200302&vkey=news_stl&fext=.jsp&c_id=stl)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 09, 2009, 08:43:44 AM
fuck if I know....read it in the paper...

sounded way kool though... O0
What award-winning rag gave you that nugget of info without even attempting to explain it? That's like just matter-of-factly stating that Carl Crawford doubled on a bunt, driving in two, today.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on June 09, 2009, 09:32:22 AM
What award-winning rag gave you that nugget of info without even attempting to explain it? 

I'll give you 3 guesses....1st 2 don't count...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on June 13, 2009, 01:22:47 PM
Pujols is now the 9th player in MLB history to have 9 straight seasons of 20 or more HR's.  I don't know how many did it in their first 9 years, because that wasn't on the scroller on ESPiN.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 13, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
And Albert Freaking Pujols just homered for the second time today at Cleveland.  And he hit it a ton. 

The Fox guys just started laughing and saying, "why are they pitching to this guy?  Why does anyone pitch to this guy?"

EDIT:  He smokes a double in the eighth.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on June 13, 2009, 09:33:03 PM
So is he the greatest Cardinal yet, or is he still looking up at Stan?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 13, 2009, 10:25:13 PM
So is he the greatest Cardinal yet, or is he still looking up at Stan?
Ask me again in fifteen years when he has 24 all-star appearances.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 14, 2009, 11:44:45 PM
Pujols is now the 9th player in MLB history to have 9 straight seasons of 20 or more HR's.  I don't know how many did it in their first 9 years, because that wasn't on the scroller on ESPiN.

If I had to guess, I'd say DiMaggio and Pujols are the only ones.  But Pujols will be the only one with 9 straight 30 homer seasons, I think.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 15, 2009, 02:16:11 AM
Eddie Mathews (of Texarkana) did it, but not beginning with his rookie season.  He did it years 2 thru 10.

30 this year for Pujols would give him 349 carear homers in nine seasons.

People rarely talk about plain ol' hits with Pujols but if he stays on track, he'll finish this year with over 1700 hits.  There are only 4 guys with 3,000 and 500 homers: Mays, Aaron, Eddie Murray, and Raphael Palmiero.  Only three not linked to steroids. ::)

He'd have to stay healthy and lucky, of course, but if he ended up with 3,000 hits and 650+ HR's, plus kept winning Gold Gloves, I'd have to push someone out of my Top 10 all time to make room for him, maybe Top 5.  That's 7-8 years away but those are numbers not even Ruth or Cobb had.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on June 16, 2009, 05:42:38 PM
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 16, 2009, 07:19:15 PM
If they do the same shit the next 2 years as they've done so far - namely, forcing him to be the ENTIRE offense when the glorified AA "utility infielders" start playing like they're still in AA and not getting ANYONE to help - it doesn't matter what they pay him.  He wants to win championships.  If he stops thinking he can do that here, he's gone, regardless of hoe much money they throw at him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 16, 2009, 09:34:55 PM
Meanwhile, he just about took out another letter of the Big Mac land sign (they still haven't replaced the "i").  Missed it abut 3 feet to the right,

1 for 2 (a HR and a K) with two INT BB.

Duncan is hitting behind him, is now up to a whoping .259 after going 3 for 4 tonight.  They have GOT to do something.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 16, 2009, 09:37:31 PM
I think Pujols will ALWAYS be a Cardinal.  It's 4 hours from his home, he's making good money, and he's already won more championships than the New York Yankees in the last 9 years.  No use chasing one.

I also think it's stupid to write a "what if the Cardinals lose Pujols" story 28 months before he becomes a free agent.  But that's Mikslaschizishvcz for you.


He'd have to stay healthy and lucky, of course, but if he ended up with 3,000 hits and 650+ HR's, plus kept winning Gold Gloves, I'd have to push someone out of my Top 10 all time to make room for him, maybe Top 5.  That's 7-8 years away but those are numbers not even Ruth or Cobb had.

You might want to make room in your top 1.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on June 16, 2009, 10:00:43 PM
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on June 16, 2009, 10:05:13 PM
 will you guys still blowing this dude when he leaves the cards?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 16, 2009, 10:08:05 PM
will you guys still blowing this dude when he leaves the cards?

You're obviously not a baseball fan, and thus should just shut the fuck up and leave the discussion to the adults.



Jar, that article is dead-fucking-on.

I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer or completely blow this out of proportion, but if the Cardinals lose Pujols they are the Royals.  Or at least the Reds, since they have *some* young talent.  But seriously.  Management is perilously close to completely, irrevocably imploding the Cardinals as we know them.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 16, 2009, 10:14:46 PM
You might want to make room in your top 1.   O0

Nothing would please me more but right now Willie is firmly entrenched there.

Though nobody asked, here's my top ten position players of all time:

Mays
Aaron
Cobb
Ruth
Wagner
Mathewson
Gehrig
Williams
Clemente
Murray
Ripken

Opps, that's 11.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on June 16, 2009, 10:39:31 PM
will you guys still blowing this dude when he leaves the cards?

Figuratively, and honestly, yes. 

If the Cardinals refuse to surround Pujols with better protection, I'd love to see how the guy finishes his career playing with some offensive talent in front and behind him.  This guy is a once in a lifetime talent. (And you KNOW it.) You know, the Williams, Ruth, Musial type that we will regale our grandkids with stories about and how we got to see him play "live" in downtown St. Louis, and I don't want to see it wasted because of incompetent team management.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 17, 2009, 01:45:21 AM
bullshit.

Jar doesn't like this opinion... and clearly Will fucking Leitch doesn't either but... 


Miklaszdsszlddfdd is a god damn douchebag. He's a patsy. LaRussa wouldn't give him a quote one time and he fucking caved like Wally Hall looking for a Keebler cracker. He's a complete tool. All the shit TLR has pulled in his StL days and NO ONE HAS CALLED HIM OUT.

The fact that Chris motherfucking Duncan is still on that roster is a joke. Who has called him out? NO ONE. Miklaszdsaassssssfd is part of that.

Fuck him.

Pujols is not a guy that plays for the money. If that were the case, he would've held out for a much lucrative contract initially.
Otherwise, he's also not guaranteed any more real opportunities elsewhere... and that's under the assumption that Dewitt grows some balls and runs this douche train out of town.

LaRussa is a HoF manager.

However, currently he is an egocentric douchetrip that tries to outsmart every motherfucker alive in every game. He's a tool, he's borderline worthless right now. How else can you explain a Chris fucking Duncan roster spot?


The most important point?

The ownership guaranteed the fans that he would raise payroll and make a commitment to compete with that new stadium. He hasn't so far.
Letting Pujols go would make it blatantly obvious that the management of this team has no care for its fans. It would be monumental. They call him El Hombre out of respect to Stan, but also because Pujols means that much to him. Imagine the A-b family trading Musial to the Cubs in his prime.

IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.

It just won't.

Cards fans are one of, if not the, most loyal fanbases in baseball but they are already on edge. That 2006 title was a joke. It was fun, it was great, etc...  but that team choked down the stretch and pulled a playoff run completely out of their ass. These fans know the difference between a great team and a backed-into-title. They want to see great teams. Great teams will not exist, in their minds, without Pujols.

This is fact.

Ownership is stupid, but not senile. Pujols is their man and they know it. They will do everything to keep him happy. Dewitt is rolling in cash right now. He's already admitted that his goal is for the Cards to "compete" down the stretch. He simply wants his team to be in a race... for the cash.

Keeping Pujols is absolutely intact with that theory. Letting him sign with another team would implode the fan base. These aren't Cubs fans.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on June 17, 2009, 10:47:49 AM
Bernie Miklasz was selling newspapers on a slow day, the Cards were off monday.  In that column he makes it sound like the Cards need to be on the phone with Pujols' agent.
That same day on his radio show he had another Post writer, Joe Strauss on and they were talking about this subject.
At that time, Bernie stated that he believed the Cards should be trying to make a deal with Pujols by the all star break, next year. 
Damn Bernie, which is it.  He should keep that column, he can  use it several more times if they wait untill next year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 17, 2009, 12:55:27 PM
Jesus Christ.

I was drunk last night and while overly exaggerating my point, I just flat-out stopped reading Leitch's column when he referred to Miklasz as "the great." So I just now read it. I've always enjoyed Leitch's writing and unabashed Cardinals fandom, but he's a little off base here.

He's pretty close to what I actually think minus a major factor, LaRussa. I agree they're close, but I highly doubt that Pujols will leave just because he does. And I HIGHLY disagree with the fact that Pujols wouldn't be where he is without LaRussa. I agree they could very well both end up leaving for the same reason, but that reason is not each other.

In that same vein, Pujols's closest friend, Molina, is inked longer than Pujols. So if we're playing "friens" games here, that has to play some role in the deal.

And the fact checker in me has to bring up the glaring misleading fact he threw in there. Sure, within city boundaries KC may be bigger than the StL, but the StL MSA has almost a full million more people than the KC area. Shit, if you just go by city population, the Cardinals may be shipping off for Wichita any day now.


The Cards major problem right now is that their GM has no balls.

Miklasz has said that the Indians would've handed over DeRosa for Chris Perez.
Mozeliak offered them boggs and they refused.
How can you not pull the trigger there?!!
 
 I hate Miklasz, but he is usually very credible with inside-ish info... meaning he doesn't just throw shit out there unless he believes it to be true. He's still a tool though.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 17, 2009, 01:06:54 PM
Miklasz has said that the Indians would've handed over DeRosa for Chris Perez.
Mozeliak offered them boggs and they refused.
How can you not pull the trigger there?!!

 :suicide:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 17, 2009, 02:56:17 PM
... I agree they could very well both end up leaving for the same reason, but that reason is not each other.

....

That's where I am.

I don't think many question that Pujols would LIKE to stay in St. L.  And I think management would offer enough money to him to keep him if Pujols thought there was a chance to win there.  But management seems thus far committed to home grow the rest of the supporting cast, rather than buy an established stick.  So far, it isn't working.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ham Malone on June 17, 2009, 03:05:07 PM
You're obviously not a baseball fan, and thus should just shut the fuck up and leave the discussion to the adults.



Jar, that article is dead-fucking-on.

I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer or completely blow this out of proportion, but if the Cardinals lose Pujols they are the Royals.  Or at least the Reds, since they have *some* young talent.  But seriously.  Management is perilously close to completely, irrevocably imploding the Cardinals as we know them.
Leave the Royals out of this.  Ya'll would give your left nut for Zack Grienke.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 17, 2009, 03:18:42 PM
:suicide:

The sick part of it is that if DeRosa declined arbitration after the season was up, we'd likely get a first rounder out of the deal. Not that Mozeliak would actually sign that pick or anything.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 17, 2009, 05:15:38 PM
Leave the Royals out of this.  Ya'll would give your left nut for Zack Grienke.

And y'all would give both for Pujols.  What's your point?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ham Malone on June 17, 2009, 05:25:50 PM
And y'all would give both for Pujols.  What's your point?
The point is that the Royals aren't devoid of young talent and don't deserve yours or any other Cardinal fans' derision. 

Hell, he's from KC, maybe David Glass will give him a contract when you guys drop the ball.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 17, 2009, 05:30:00 PM
My sources tell me a three-way deal is in the offing...Pujols to the Cavs, Lebron to the Vikings and Adrian Peterson to the Cards.

Keep this here.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 17, 2009, 05:33:39 PM
The point is that the Royals aren't devoid of young talent and don't deserve yours or any other Cardinal fans' derision. 

Hell, he's from KC, maybe David Glass will give him a contract when you guys drop the ball.

Sorry you got your vagina bruised.  If you had actually been paying attention to what I'm saying instead of crying into your beer, I was trying to say that, sans Pujols, all the Cardinals *are* is "young talent."  They'd be a serviceable, few-games-below-.500, non-playoff-caliber team, still stuck on the outside looking in.

Just like the Royals.

Though I think any team that has all of ONE winning season in the last 14 is worthy of anyone's derision.

Oh, and go fuck yourself for being a pussy.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ham Malone on June 17, 2009, 06:40:07 PM
Sorry you got your vagina bruised.  If you had actually been paying attention to what I'm saying instead of crying into your beer, I was trying to say that, sans Pujols, all the Cardinals *are* is "young talent."  They'd be a serviceable, few-games-below-.500, non-playoff-caliber team, still stuck on the outside looking in.

Just like the Royals.

Though I think any team that has all of ONE winning season in the last 14 is worthy of anyone's derision.

Oh, and go fuck yourself for being a pussy.
If you look at your original quote, you implied that the Royals have absolutely no young talent.  That made you look stupid, since they obviously have a pretty good young lineup, but a number of flaws that place them in their current mediocre status. 

Of course, you decide toss out some woopig cliches instead of reading a post.   Feel free to dip your scoop into that cliche barrel and toss some more in my direction.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 17, 2009, 07:27:46 PM
If you look at your original quote, you implied that the Royals have absolutely no young talent.  That made you look stupid, since they obviously have a pretty good young lineup, but a number of flaws that place them in their current mediocre status. 

Of course, you decide toss out some woopig cliches instead of reading a post.   Feel free to dip your scoop into that cliche barrel and toss some more in my direction.  :thumbup:

And you're still a butthurt Royals fan. 

My point was that the Reds are enjoying some level of success (i.e., above .500 and very much still in competition for the division) NOW, as opposed to the Royals, who have one of the best pitchers in baseball yet still aren't in the conversation.  The Cardinals sans Pujols more closely approximate the Reds THIS YEAR than they would the Royals, IMO.  That's what I was trying to say.  I apologize for not clearly stating my point.

But you're still a fucking pussy who needs to know your place.  Until the Royals actually accomplish something, they're still everyone's bitch.  So shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 18, 2009, 07:59:23 AM
My sources tell me a three-way deal is in the offing...Pujols to the Cavs, Lebron to the Vikings and Adrian Peterson to the Cards.

Keep this here.


Keep this even more here.  Your deal was a go until Zydrunas Ilgauskas punched LeBron in the jaw, breaking it (the surgery for the benign growth was a cover, plus somebody was waving a pistol in the lockerroom).  Peterson's agent heard the news and he called the whole thing off.  Word is that the Cardinals will move heaven and earth to get that 5'7" 140 kid that played 2nd base for Virginia in the late innings.  His power bunting skills would make the MLB managers always be sure and pitch to Pujols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 18, 2009, 09:28:00 AM
Cards fans are one of, if not the, most loyal fanbases in baseball but they are already on edge. That 2006 title was a joke. It was fun, it was great, etc...  but that team choked down the stretch and pulled a playoff run completely out of their ass. These fans know the difference between a great team and a backed-into-title.

Hey, I'll take a championship any way I can get it.

And that paragraph could describe another team I'm very loyal to in about 7 days.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ham Malone on June 18, 2009, 09:34:46 AM
And you're still a butthurt Royals fan. 

My point was that the Reds are enjoying some level of success (i.e., above .500 and very much still in competition for the division) NOW, as opposed to the Royals, who have one of the best pitchers in baseball yet still aren't in the conversation.  The Cardinals sans Pujols more closely approximate the Reds THIS YEAR than they would the Royals, IMO.  That's what I was trying to say.  I apologize for not clearly stating my point.

But you're still a fucking pussy who needs to know your place.  Until the Royals actually accomplish something, they're still everyone's bitch.  So shut the fuck up.
The Reds are three games back and the Royals are four and a half back.  Not sure how being a Royals fan made me grow female parts, but you are the future doctor.  I'd say suffering through 20 years of losing gives me a bit of testicular fortitude.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 18, 2009, 09:56:30 AM
The Reds are three games back and the Royals are four and a half back.  Not sure how being a Royals fan made me grow female parts, but you are the future doctor.  I'd say suffering through 20 years of losing gives me a bit of testicular fortitude.

Judas.  Quit being so fucking literal.  You would think a 20-year Royals fan would be very familiar with seeing things figuratively...like wins, for instance.  "Moral victories" and such.

And yes, I know the Reds are 3 games back, but at the beginning of the season they were in the conversation for possibly being a dark horse (or at worst a spolier) in the NL Central.  As best I can tell, that's still where there at.  I could be wrong, as I don't pay as much attention to AL ball, but I wasn't aware the Royals were in any conversation for being a contender in their division.  Hence the difference.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 18, 2009, 03:37:38 PM
Quit derailing the thread.

Pujols works out in Independence, that's enough reason alone to respect Kansas City.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on June 18, 2009, 04:34:48 PM
0 for 2  with 2 lob. why did none of you huggers post his stats from yesterday?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 18, 2009, 05:16:12 PM
0 for 2  with 2 lob. why did none of you huggers post his stats from yesterday?

Yeah, because Babe Ruth never struck out and Hank Aaron never went a game without a HR.

Goddammit, if you don't know anything about baseball, DON'T TALK ABOUT BASEBALL.  It's not that complicated.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on June 18, 2009, 05:38:37 PM
Yeah, because Babe Ruth never struck out and Hank Aaron never went a game without a HR.

gawddamnit, if you don't know anything about baseball, DON'T TALK ABOUT BASEBALL.  It's not that complicated.
who said anything about those guys? I was just wiondering where the blowjobs were for an 0-fer night
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on June 19, 2009, 08:45:38 AM
0 for 2  with 2 lob. why did none of you huggers post his stats from yesterday?
Those were the two best 0-fers this season and those two runners were happy to be left by Albert.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on June 19, 2009, 10:14:30 AM
Those were the two best 0-fers this season and those two runners were happy to be left by Albert.

 :D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on June 19, 2009, 05:16:06 PM
 another o-fer nite for y'alls man crush.

 o-2 ,1 lob
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on June 19, 2009, 07:59:02 PM
I've missed all Pujols' at bats so far, but the cards have hit 3 homers in the third inning against KC.  Including a grand slam from Duncan.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 19, 2009, 10:52:58 PM
another o-fer nite for y'alls man crush.

 o-2 ,1 lob

(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/pete_mcentegart/07/30/ten.spot/tx_corso_scorecard.jpg)

Not so fast, my friend.  You left out his two RBI single.  So, the actual line was 1 for 3 with a walk, 1 run scored, 2 RBI's (##50 and 60).

With a .234 hitter batting behind him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on June 20, 2009, 05:58:41 PM
2 run SHOT a minute ago.  O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on June 20, 2009, 06:32:13 PM
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/pete_mcentegart/07/30/ten.spot/tx_corso_scorecard.jpg)

Not so fast, my friend.  You left out his two RBI single.  So, the actual line was 1 for 3 with a walk, 1 run scored, 2 RBI's (##50 and 60).

With a .234 hitter batting behind him.
not so fast to you my frien. you were looking at a diffent game. I was referring to the back to back o-fer nights

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 20, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
not so fast to you my frien. you were looking at a diffent game. I was referring to the back to back o-fer nights



And now he's had back-to-back nights with two RBIs, including a 2-run shot tonight.

Once again, STFU.  You just keep making yourself looking like more and more of an idiot.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on June 20, 2009, 09:31:00 PM
another o-fer nite for y'alls man crush.

 o-2 ,1 lob
Let me preface this by saying I can't stand the Cards BUT I know an all-time great player when I see one. Please HipHog show me 5 players EVER who have had better numbers 8.5 years into a career. We'll be waiting.....awhile.

Batting Stats
Year Team G   AB   R    H   HR RBI  BB K  SB CS OBP SLG AVG
2001 STL 161 590 112 194 37 130 69 93  1 3 .403 .610 .329
2002 STL 157 590 118 185 34 127 72 69  2 4 .394 .561 .314
2003 STL 157 591 137 212 43 124 79 65  5 1 .439 .667 .359
2004 STL 154 592 133 196 46 123 84 52  5 5 .415 .657 .331
2005 STL 161 591 129 195 41 117 97 65  16 2 .430 .609 .330
2006 STL 143 535 119 177 49 137 92 50  7 2 .431 .671 .331
2007 STL 158 565 99  185  32 103 99 58  2  6 .429 .568 .327
2008 STL 148 524 100 187 37 116 104 54 7 3 .462 .653 .357
2009 STL 67   228 53   73  23  60  52  26 9 2 .444 .684 .320

             G    AB    R      H     HR   RBI   BB  K   SB CS  OBP SLG AVG
Total   1306 4806 1000 1604 342 1037 748 532 54 28 .426 .627 .334

The most impressive thing there to me is that he's walked over 200 more times than he's struck out in his career. Very impressive for a slugger no matter what decade anyone has ever played in.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Rob on June 20, 2009, 09:45:03 PM
With NO protection most of his career
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on June 20, 2009, 10:00:05 PM
 of course he is a great player, i never said he wasnt. i just like giving these huggers a hard time
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 20, 2009, 10:14:34 PM
of course he is a great player, i never said he wasnt. i just like giving these huggers a hard time
You're not giving anyone a hard time. You're just adding to your retardation.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on June 20, 2009, 10:34:44 PM
obama should be working on a way to tax stupid on the internet

budget problem solved
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 21, 2009, 03:19:08 PM
In his first four AB's, Pujols was retired, singled in a run, hit a grand slam, and hit a solo homer.

3 for 4, 2 homers, 6 RBI's, 2 runs scored.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on June 21, 2009, 03:22:39 PM
In his first four AB's, Pujols was retired, singled in a run, hit a grand slam, and hit a solo homer.

3 for 4, 2 homers, 6 RBI's, 2 runs scored.
what the fuck were they thinking pitching to him with the bases juiced.  stoopid
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 21, 2009, 05:02:27 PM
what the fuck were they thinking pitching to him with the bases juiced.  stoopid
walk in a run then you still have to pitch to Ludwick, who seems to be back on track after his injury.
Now, if you want to walk in two runs and pitch to the coach's kid...well, that makes a little sense. Automatic out there.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on June 21, 2009, 07:32:26 PM
what the fuck were they thinking pitching to him with the bases juiced.  stoopid

You want them to walk him with the bases loaded?

We're talking about Albert Pujols here, not Kelly "Fuckin'" Leak.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on June 21, 2009, 09:13:14 PM
You want them to walk him with the bases loaded?

We're talking about Albert Pujols here, not Kelly "frickin'" Leak.
Saw an interview with HOF pitcher Jim Palmer once on pitching with the bases laoded. He said he never gave up a grand slam because no matter what, he'd never give in to the hitter in that situation. He'd rather walk him and give up one than serve up on a platter and give up 4. Interesting take from someone who was 268-152 with a 2.86 career ERA and 3 Cy Youngs to his credit.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on June 21, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
Saw an interview with HOF pitcher Jim Palmer once on pitching with the bases laoded. He said he never gave up a grand slam because no matter what, he'd never give in to the hitter in that situation. He'd rather walk him and give up one than serve up on a platter and give up 4. Interesting take from someone who was 268-152 with a 2.86 career ERA and 3 Cy Youngs to his credit.

I agree with that philosophy.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on June 21, 2009, 10:47:18 PM
just saw a stat where AP has had 4 ab's this year with bases loaded.
3 of those at bats have been home runs. 

There are 3 dumb as fuck pitchers out there.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 22, 2009, 08:23:00 AM
You want them to walk him with the bases loaded?

We're talking about Albert Pujols here, not Kelly "frickin'" Leak.

I wish Buttermaker Pinella would send the resident ho to challenge Pujols to an air hockey game, winner gets a date with the ho and a trade to the Cubs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on June 22, 2009, 08:49:06 AM
I wish Buttermaker Pinella would send the resident ho to challenge Pujols to an air hockey game, winner gets a date with the ho and a trade to the Cubs.

This is the kind of analysis and talk you just don't get on Baseball Tonight.  Peter Gammons and Buster Olney would never think of such a move.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shinobi on June 22, 2009, 10:20:36 AM
Some numbers from the weekend series between St. Louis and Kansas City:

                                  AB              H              AVG.              RBI

Albert Pujols                12              6                .500                  10
Kansas City Royals        100            20              .200                  11




Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: West Texas Hog on June 22, 2009, 10:54:42 AM
They did give away some pretty cool hats at Kaufman for the first 10,000 fans on saturday. O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 22, 2009, 07:42:03 PM
They did give away some pretty cool hats at Kaufman for the first 10,000 fans on saturday. O0

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on June 22, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
To reiterate:

Albert Pujols is the best player ever, almost annually.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 23, 2009, 09:43:23 AM
This is the kind of analysis and talk you just don't get on Baseball Tonight.  Peter Gammons and Buster Olney would never think of such a move.

I'm only guessing you didn't see the original Bad News Bears, but I'll take it as a compliment if you think I just made that up by myself.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on June 23, 2009, 01:50:54 PM
I'm only guessing you didn't see the original Bad News Bears, but I'll take it as a compliment if you think I just made that up by myself.

Don't give me none of your honky bullshit.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 23, 2009, 03:45:37 PM
"Hey Yankees; you can take your cheer, and your big trophy, and stick 'em up your ass."

(http://ladiesdotdotdot.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/bears1.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 23, 2009, 05:41:48 PM
Don't give me none of your honky bullshit.   O0

Just keeping it real.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 24, 2009, 12:09:06 AM
Don't give me none of your honky bullshit.   O0

By the way, it only took me over 14 hours to remember that line is a quote straight out of 48 Hours.  I think. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on June 24, 2009, 12:23:28 AM
By the way, it only took me over 14 hours to remember that line is a quote straight out of 48 Hours.  I think. 

It is also a quote from the original Bad News Bears when Adman or Abdul or whatever the kid's name is who misses the fly ball and Buttermaker goes to console him with the tough fly balls speech.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 27, 2009, 02:57:57 PM
Dos two-run HR's for el hombre today.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on June 27, 2009, 03:27:16 PM
Not a bad day at the office:
               AB     R     H     RBI     BB     K     LOB     SEASON AVG.
Pujols1B     2     2     2     4     2     0     0     .328

I have a feeling in the future, it will look more and more like:

Pujols1B     0     2     0     0     4     0     0     .328

People are going to figure out eventually that you just can't pitch to him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 27, 2009, 05:00:40 PM
It is also a quote from the original Bad News Bears when Adman or Abdul or whatever the kid's name is who misses the fly ball and Buttermaker goes to console him with the tough fly balls speech.

I've really been slipping lately.  Pre alzheimers I guess, but you are completely right, and I am wrong.  I'll now go ask paco's wife out on a date for punishment.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on June 27, 2009, 06:11:18 PM
Not a bad day at the office:
               AB     R     H     RBI     BB     K     LOB     SEASON AVG.
Pujols1B     2     2     2     4     2     0     0     .328

I have a feeling in the future, it will look more and more like:

Pujols1B     0     2     0     0     4     0     0     .328

People are going to figure out eventually that you just can't pitch to him.

I think your 4 is off one column, isn't it?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on June 27, 2009, 08:12:26 PM
I think your 4 is off one column, isn't it?

Possibly, it is 4 WALKS. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on June 27, 2009, 08:46:28 PM
Maybe Matt Holliday batting behind him will help with those careful walks.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 27, 2009, 08:51:13 PM
Maybe Matt Holliday batting behind him will help with those careful walks.
If Oakland takes Ludwick and the package (McClellan and a prospect is my guess), I hope he busts out of his slump.....but I wonder how much of his former production was playing 81 games per in Denver.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: JoeBobHog on June 27, 2009, 10:44:29 PM
talk to me--how does this trade help?



 :notexas:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: jmcwill04 on June 27, 2009, 11:06:21 PM
Mark DeRosa to STL for Perez
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 27, 2009, 11:18:05 PM
Mark DeRosa to STL for Perez
Either Glaus isn't going to make it back or they get smart and give up on Greene.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 27, 2009, 11:18:50 PM
Mark DeRosa to STL for Perez

DeRosa will make a difference.  I still can't believe Hendry wanted to dump his salary then signs Milton Bradley for 30 million for 3 years.  I guess that's why they call them the Cubs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mrazorback on June 28, 2009, 02:00:56 AM
Manny Ramirez hit a homer in the California League off of Nick Schmidt, who was making his California League debut.

Story: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2009/06/27/sports/paris/z555deeed15c4fad0882575e30014a56c.txt

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 28, 2009, 01:34:26 PM
Either Glaus isn't going to make it back or they get smart and give up on Greene.

I think it's door #2 there.  Glaus might come back, eventually, and DeRosa can play 2nd.

Greene is a huge bust.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 28, 2009, 03:20:12 PM
SUNDAY, 11:15am: Jon Paul Morosi has written about a couple possible PTBNLs for the Indians:

"One official with knowledge of the transaction said minor league right-handers Jess Todd and Francisco Samuel are on the list of possibilities. It's not known if other players are on the list agreed upon by the clubs. But Todd and Samuel are hard throwers who could fit into Cleveland's bullpen next year. And anyone who has watched the Indians play recently is aware that they have an immediate need for power arms at the end of the game."


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 30, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
Albert             2 HR's
Randy Johnson 0

Of course, Pujols' 3 RBI's is 100% of the Cardinalds' offense.

SF   6
StL  3    Bottom 8

They've GOT to do something.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on June 30, 2009, 09:43:40 PM
Pujols leads MLB in:
Runs
Home Runs
RBI
Slugging
OPS
On Base %
RC
RC 27
ISOP
SECA
AB/HR

6th in average, 2-1 BB/K ratio.

He's 11 or so points away on BA in the National League. He really has a shot at the Triple Crown. He has no shot at the Triple Crown.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 30, 2009, 10:39:24 PM
Albert             2 HR's
Randy Johnson 0

Of course, Pujols' 3 RBI's is 100% of the Cardinalds' offense.

SF   6
StL  3    Bottom 8

They've GOT to do something.

Well, they got DeRosa...    :-\
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on June 30, 2009, 11:07:24 PM
35 freakin' RBI's in the month of June with that shitty line-up protecting him.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on July 03, 2009, 08:28:23 PM
Pujols Grand Slam... 4th this year... 10th of his career.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tuck on July 03, 2009, 08:38:45 PM
Is there really an argument here? I love history, but El Hombre fucks history in the ass w/out lube.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on July 03, 2009, 09:05:38 PM
Pujols Grand Slam... 4th this year... 10th of his career.

Is he still batting 1.000 with the bases loaded this year?  If my numbers are right I think he has 4 GS and a single. which I think comes out to a 4.80 OPS.  That's pretty good, isn't it?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 03, 2009, 09:46:04 PM
Is there really an argument here? I love history, but El Hombre fricks history in the ass w/out lube.
Well, he's not Ted Williams but he's damn good. Williams has the following career numbers:

Batting Average: .344 (7th highest ever) and last man to hit over .400 by hitting .406 in 1941, also hit .388 at age 38
Runs Scored: 1798 (17th all time)
Hits: 2654
HR: 521 (18th all time)
RBI: 1839 (13th all time)
BB: 2021 (4th all time)

The man compiled all these numbers while missing nearly 5 FULL SEASONS while serving the country in military service. The seasons he missed was when he was 24, 25, 26, 33 and 34 years old. Safely add 470 runs scored (2270 new total-2nd best ever), 750 hits (3400 new total-would be 8th best ever), 140 HR (660 new total-would be 4th best ever), 470 RBI (2300 new total-would be best ever) and 500 BB (2500+ new total-would be best ever).

When Albert approachs these figures then you can start the talk about best ever....until then Teddy Ballgame is the standard for me.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 03, 2009, 09:52:56 PM
Well, he's not Ted Williams but he's damn good. Williams has the following career numbers:

Batting Average: .344 (7th highest ever) and last man to hit over .400 by hitting .406 in 1941, also hit .388 at age 38
Runs Scored: 1798 (17th all time)
Hits: 2654
HR: 521 (18th all time)
RBI: 1839 (13th all time)
BB: 2021 (4th all time)

The man compiled all these numbers while missing nearly 5 FULL SEASONS while serving the country in military service. The seasons he missed was when he was 24, 25, 26, 33 and 34 years old. Safely add 470 runs scored (2270 new total-2nd best ever), 750 hits (3400 new total-would be 8th best ever), 140 HR (660 new total-would be 4th best ever), 470 RBI (2300 new total-would be best ever) and 500 BB (2500+ new total-would be best ever).

When Albert approachs these figures then you can start the talk about best ever....until then Teddy Ballgame is the standard for me.
What do you think Pujols would do to 1930's and 40's pitching?

About the same as what Ray Lewis would do to 1940's running backs.

About the same as what LeBron James would do to 1950's basketball.

About the same as what Andy Roddick would do to 1940's tennis.

About the same as what Tiger Woods would do to 1940's golf courses.

About the same as what Hogs4Life would do to a struggling gay message board.

I know, you can't compare like that. You have to compare performance in their era to their era...but I still don't buy that you can't call someone 'greater' because they don't put up the same numbers. Bullshit. Greater is greater. Evolution of the game.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 03, 2009, 09:59:46 PM
Albert             2 HR's
Randy Johnson 0

Of course, Pujols' 3 RBI's is 100% of the Cardinalds' offense.

SF   6
StL  3    Bottom 8

They've GOT to do something.

Dear ArkGuy,

The Cardinals do not have to do anything.  Albert just needs to produce.  Sure, he had 3 RBI's, but he needed 7 for them to win.  Albert is not a team player.

Signed,

Phil (from somewhere in the STL suburbs - Jar knows where)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 03, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
What do you think Pujols would do to 1930's and 40's pitching?

About the same as what Ray Lewis would do to 1940's running backs.

About the same as what LeBron James would do to 1950's basketball.

About the same as what Andy Roddick would do to 1940's tennis.

About the same as what Tiger Woods would do to 1940's golf courses.

About the same as what Hogs4Life would do to a struggling gay message board.

I know, you can't compare like that. You have to compare performance in their era to their era...but I still don't buy that you can't call someone 'greater' because they don't put up the same numbers. Bullshit. Greater is greater. Evolution of the game.
So a 8.5 year career is enough to garner someone the 'greatest player ever' tag? Whatever....
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 03, 2009, 10:06:32 PM
So a 8.5 year career is enough to garner someone the 'greatest player ever' tag? Whatever....
Didn't say that, but he's in the discussion.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 03, 2009, 10:07:13 PM
So a 8.5 year career is enough to garner someone the 'greatest player ever' tag? Whatever....

(Message board note to self.  In 8.5 more years, when Pujols has the best numbers of all time in every category, come back and make fun of Ty Webb.  Put on Outlook reminder for November 2018.)

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tuck on July 03, 2009, 11:12:48 PM
Well, he's not Ted Williams but he's damn good. Williams has the following career numbers:

Batting Average: .344 (7th highest ever) and last man to hit over .400 by hitting .406 in 1941, also hit .388 at age 38
Runs Scored: 1798 (17th all time)
Hits: 2654
HR: 521 (18th all time)
RBI: 1839 (13th all time)
BB: 2021 (4th all time)

The man compiled all these numbers while missing nearly 5 FULL SEASONS while serving the country in military service. The seasons he missed was when he was 24, 25, 26, 33 and 34 years old. Safely add 470 runs scored (2270 new total-2nd best ever), 750 hits (3400 new total-would be 8th best ever), 140 HR (660 new total-would be 4th best ever), 470 RBI (2300 new total-would be best ever) and 500 BB (2500+ new total-would be best ever).

When Albert approachs these figures then you can start the talk about best ever....until then Teddy Ballgame is the standard for me.

Teddy Ballgame is a headless wonder at this point. He doesn't face the caliber of pitching that El Hombre faces today with the specialized pitching (set up men, closers, etc.). I'm drunk, fuck you. Albert is the greatest. Reckonize.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 03, 2009, 11:45:47 PM
Teddy Ballgame is a headless wonder at this point. He doesn't face the caliber of pitching that El Hombre faces today with the specialized pitching (set up men, closers, etc.). I'm drunk, frick you. Albert is the greatest. Reckonize.

I was watching the Cardinals game last night, or maybe anther one, and the AFLAC poll was about a game that featured Warren Spahn and somebody else, maybe Bob Gibson, I really don't remember, pitching 15 innings of shutout ball a piece, and Willie Mays hit a homer to end the game 1-0.  Had to be some tired arms back in the day.

Shoot back in the day, there was hardly even high school baseball.  There was Little League, Pony League, and American Legion, all in late May, June, and July.  That was it.  Nowadays, kids are on travel teams at 8 years old.  Although I think overpitching the little guys has probably kept the next Nolan Ryan or Sandy Koufax out of MLB, the pitchers today are better because of weight training, year round conditioning and playing, better coaching, etc.  If Albert rides the DeLorean back into the 1961 season, he hits 75 homers and nobody ever remember Maris.  Hack Wilson's RBI record is in danger if anybody on the Cardinal team starts getting on base.  The Machine has 80 + RBI with nobody ever getting on base, on no # 2 or # 4 hitter to protect the man a bit.  It is unbelievable, and I don't want to believe it because I'm a Cub fan, but facts is fax.  It is definitely too early to call  him the greatest ever, but as Deja Vu alluded to and Bum Phillips said, "it don't take long to call roll" for the group he should be classified with.  Throw on top of that the guy is the best role model in the game today for young kids on work ethic, team first, and how to be a father, and be a man of faith without falling on your face, it's hard to find chinks in his armor.  Maybe it will be proven some day he took steroids at some time.  He says he didn't.  With the microscope he's under now, he sure isn't.  He's unreal.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 04, 2009, 12:47:21 AM
(Message board note to self.  In 8.5 more years, when Pujols has the best numbers of all time in every category, come back and make fun of Ty Webb.  Put on Outlook reminder for November 2018.)


Or you could say that if any of the guy's today played back in the day...with no batting helmet or body armour and pitcher's throwing at you whenever they wanted...today's players may not dig in like they do now. A pitcher like Gibson wouldn't EVER let a Pujols type player (star player) feel comfortable at the plate.

Albert had better get to 800 HR (he might), because that's where Alex is going to end up at.

Pujols is the best player in the game TODAY and has had an amazing 8+ years so far. Who knows where he'll be in 5 years. A-Rod and Pujols' numbers are nearly the same for the age of 29 that Pujols is now but now that Alex is 33 nobody think's he's near what he was.

I'll be awaiting the Nov. '18 beatdown.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 05, 2009, 12:51:14 AM
Dear ArkGuy,

The Cardinals do not have to do anything.  Albert just needs to produce.  Sure, he had 3 RBI's, but he needed 7 for them to win.  Albert is not a team player.

Signed,

Phil (from somewhere in the STL suburbs - Jar knows where)


 :sick:

Goddamned Fenton/High Ridge motherfucker.  Where old rednecks "dumas" go to die... In a fire.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 05, 2009, 01:35:28 PM
2 for 2 with 2 runs scored so far. 

also named a started in the allstar game.  Leading vote getter for the national league.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 05, 2009, 01:48:54 PM
Coming up with the bases loaded again. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 05, 2009, 01:49:57 PM
Damn.  hit into a double play.  1-2-3 dp
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on July 10, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
From Jayson Stark:

NL MVP of the half-year: Albert Pujols, Cardinals

Is it our imagination, or do we hand out this half a trophy to Sir Albert every July? Sure seems like it. But when you're the best player in the universe, you can get in those kinds of ruts. How does this man do it, anyway?

Albert Pujols
Dilip Vishwanat/Getty ImagesHas 31 homers and 35 strikeouts.

He's not just positioned to win the triple crown. He's positioned to win the sextuple crown. He leads the league in homers, RBIs, runs scored, slugging and on-base percentage. And he's only 16 points off the league lead in batting average. Which is downright nuts. If Pujols keeps this up, he's on pace to have one of those humdrum, run-of-the-mill .332, 58-homer, 155-RBI, 127-run, .458 OBP, .723 SLG years.

Now it's not as if nobody in history has ever had a year like that. Why, Babe Ruth had two of them -- about eight decades ago (1921 and '27). Jimmie Foxx had one 77 years ago. And who else has had one since? Well, nobody, actually. Of course, the Babe had that Lou Gehrig dude hitting behind him. And the guys hitting cleanup behind Albert are batting (seriously) .225.
So we ask again: How does he do it? How does he not get intentionally walked 400 times a year? How does he even see enough strikes to have a year like this? But the Cardinals are sure grateful he does. When he drives in a run this year, they're 30-10. And when he doesn't, they're 17-30. Coincidence? Uh, no. MVP? Uh, yes.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on July 10, 2009, 10:19:14 PM
He has 85 rbi's right now.  Fielder has 77 (before today).  Nobody else has more than 63 (before today).  He's 20 frickin rbi's ahead of all but one guy in the league in half a year.  If he didn't play another game this year he'd probably end up in the top 15 or so in both rbi's and HRs this year.

The reason people are saying he is one of the best ever is because there is ZERO dropoff in his production to this point.  There's no graph you can draw where he is starting to fade so there's no reason other than injuries to expect he'll end up with anything less than 15 years exactly like his first 8 and a half and then a few more decent ones (by regular people standards) after that.  That would be a career that could be argued to be one of the best ever.

Anybody who says "he's only played 8.5" without acknowledging that is just being a jackass.  He's playing as well as he ever has - what's he going to do, stop next week or next year?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 11, 2009, 08:27:39 AM
yawn, 2/3 with a triple and a HR, 2BB, 2RBI.  All in a night's work.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 11, 2009, 09:01:33 AM
He has 85 rbi's right now.  Fielder has 77 (before today).  Nobody else has more than 63 (before today).  He's 20 frickin rbi's ahead of all but one guy in the league in half a year.  If he didn't play another game this year he'd probably end up in the top 15 or so in both rbi's and HRs this year.

The reason people are saying he is one of the best ever is because there is ZERO dropoff in his production to this point.  There's no graph you can draw where he is starting to fade so there's no reason other than injuries to expect he'll end up with anything less than 15 years exactly like his first 8 and a half and then a few more decent ones (by regular people standards) after that.  That would be a career that could be argued to be one of the best ever.

Anybody who says "he's only played 8.5" without acknowledging that is just being a jackass.  He's playing as well as he ever has - what's he going to do, stop next week or next year?

Isnt he doing all this with a fucked up elbow too?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 11, 2009, 11:53:46 AM
Hey wait.  It's July.  Shoulfn't he be in a slump now?  Where's Root 66 these days?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HogNrock on July 11, 2009, 04:14:30 PM
Here's a great article about Pujols and The Man.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/212A9AB4B7344F4D862575F000124A9C?OpenDocument (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/212A9AB4B7344F4D862575F000124A9C?OpenDocument)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 11, 2009, 09:14:34 PM
Isnt he doing all this with a fricked up elbow too?

Had surgery on the elbow this past off season.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 11, 2009, 10:16:13 PM
Here's a great article about Pujols and The Man.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/212A9AB4B7344F4D862575F000124A9C?OpenDocument (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/212A9AB4B7344F4D862575F000124A9C?OpenDocument)

The Man y El Hombre.

This is a nice article and a better picture.

A couple years before he died I saw Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn and Bob Costas on some TV show, just sitting around a round table in a sports bar.  After about 2 minues, Costas saw the wisdom in shutting up while two of the best pure hitters ever talk about the technical aspects of hitting.  Fascinating to lidten to .  Great television for a baseball fan.

(http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/625musialpujols0711.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 12, 2009, 02:35:44 AM
Had surgery on the elbow this past off season.

Thought he put it off to play in the classic
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 12, 2009, 02:37:29 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3844938 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3844938)

guess i missed this
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on July 12, 2009, 07:12:53 PM
Well, to be fair he had one go through the wickets today at first, was probably thinking about whether or not to throw home for the forceout before he made sure to glove it.

Naturally, that was about the 3rd batter I saw.  I am sports jinx deluxe.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 12, 2009, 08:38:04 PM
Ludwick auditioning to be Pujols protection it looks like
2 2run homers
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 12, 2009, 08:45:13 PM
Ludwick auditioning to be Pujols protection it looks like
2 2run homers
Auditioning? Ludwick's on pace for 25 HR and 95-100 RBI's. Those would be very solid numbers, just not quite like the 37-113 from last year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 12, 2009, 11:47:07 PM
until someone does it consistently, they are auditioning. 
 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on July 13, 2009, 08:28:29 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar09/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&page=090713pujols (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar09/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&page=090713pujols)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 13, 2009, 08:30:48 AM
The Man y El Hombre.

This is a nice article and a better picture.

A couple years before he died I saw Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn and Bob Costas on some TV show, just sitting around a round table in a sports bar.  After about 2 minues, Costas saw the wisdom in shutting up while two of the best pure hitters ever talk about the technical aspects of hitting.  Fascinating to lidten to .  Great television for a baseball fan.

(http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/625musialpujols0711.jpg)

I remember watching that.  My best recollection was how Williams asked Gwynn if he ever smelled burnt wood after a solid hit, or some such.  Back in the day that I used a wooden bat, I don't remember smelling burnt wood.  I do remember the sound of wood swiping through the air, unfettered by horsehide and stitching.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 14, 2009, 06:55:24 PM
The Man y El Hombre.

This is a nice article and a better picture.

A couple years before he died I saw Ted Williams and Tony Gwynn and Bob Costas on some TV show, just sitting around a round table in a sports bar.  After about 2 minues, Costas saw the wisdom in shutting up while two of the best pure hitters ever talk about the technical aspects of hitting.  Fascinating to lidten to .  Great television for a baseball fan.

(http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/625musialpujols0711.jpg)

As of last night, Albert kindly asks you to not refer to him as El Hombre.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hawgwild8988 on July 14, 2009, 08:17:33 PM
Well, to be fair he had one go through the wickets today at first, was probably thinking about whether or not to throw home for the forceout before he made sure to glove it.

Naturally, that was about the 3rd batter I saw.  I am sports jinx deluxe.

let me guess. you are watching the all-star game, too?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on July 14, 2009, 11:42:35 PM
let me guess. you are watching the all-star game, too?

Well, as a matter of fact...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: swine-before-pearls on July 15, 2009, 01:07:27 AM
As of last night, Albert kindly asks you to not refer to him as El Hombre.


I'd have to see that in writing.  in triplicate.  just to be sure.  otherwise I don't know if I can stop.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Rob on July 15, 2009, 09:23:54 AM
I'd have to see that in writing.  in triplicate.  just to be sure.  otherwise I don't know if I can stop.
He said it at the Home Run Derby.  He said that Stan is the only Man in St Louis.  Said call him Winnie the Poo or whatever.  Just not that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 17, 2009, 08:59:32 PM
Two solo shots tonight (so far), Nos. 33 and 34.

After 6:

Diamond Backs         0
Team -on-his-back   2

Of course, the reso of the team has scored ZERO (though Molina is 3-3).
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HogNrock on July 17, 2009, 09:06:20 PM
Two solo shots tonight (so far), Nos. 33 and 34.

After 6:

Diamond Backs         0
Team -on-his-back   2

Of course, the reso of the team has scored ZERO (though Molina is 3-3).

That second one he hit was a LASER.  One of the kind you wouldn't even stick your hand out to catch for fear of losing it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: geohul on July 30, 2009, 01:47:43 PM
Anyone else worried that Albert may be on this list?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335)

I love to watch him play but given the slump as of late could his mind possibly be preoccupied with the shit storm about to come down on him?  These guys always know right before it gets out. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on July 30, 2009, 02:30:12 PM
Anyone else worried that Albert may be on this list?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335)

I love to watch him play but given the slump as of late could his mind possibly be preoccupied with the shit storm about to come down on him?  These guys always know right before it gets out. 

Doubtful.  Albert has one of these mini-slumps in late July, early August almost every season.  IMO, he gets tired, gets worn down a little bit by that point.  It didn't help that this year he got practically zero rest during the All-Star Break.  Then a little later the real playoff push starts, and he gets a second wind.

And I might be as naive and silly as all those Michael Jackson fans threatening to kill themselves, but I think El Hombre is clean, and I won't feel otherwise till I see something definitive.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: geohul on July 30, 2009, 02:57:43 PM
Doubtful.  Albert has one of these mini-slumps in late July, early August almost every season.  IMO, he gets tired, gets worn down a little bit by that point.  It didn't help that this year he got practically zero rest during the All-Star Break.  Then a little later the real playoff push starts, and he gets a second wind.

And I might be as naive and silly as all those Michael Jackson fans threatening to kill themselves, but I think El Hombre is clean, and I won't feel otherwise till I see something definitive.
All these Cub fans here at my office must be getting to me.  I just keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.  Living through Big Mac Gate was hell.  At least Sosa denied it at the time.   Still, everything I read about Pujols tells me you're right.  If so, then he's no doubt he's the best player in the last 30 years and has to be up there for consideration as the best of all times.   
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 30, 2009, 04:25:05 PM
All these Cub fans here at my office must be getting to me.  I just keep waiting for the other shoe to drop.  Living through Big Mac Gate was Starkville.  At least Sosa denied it at the time.   Still, everything I read about Pujols tells me you're right.  If so, then he's no doubt he's the best player in the last 30 years and has to be up there for consideration as the best of all times.   

The list is on the intrawebs, somewhere.  Ironically, the entire starting lineup for the Cubs (D. Lee was still a Marlin at the time, and wasn't on the list) was on the list, and I'm pretty sure the only Cardinal on the list was somebody who was either traded or has since retired.  Pujols wasn't.  By the way, steroids were not a banned substance for MLB then, yet, I believe.

Here's the deal.  If he had tested positive, it would have already leaked.  The guys' names they have listed who positive were all superstars who vehemently denied using them.  Albert has vehemently denied using them.  Surely, his name would have been released at the same time as ARod's, if he were on any "list."
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Rob on July 30, 2009, 04:51:33 PM
I will not be surprised by anyone being on the list.  And I don't care.  The damage has been done.  Ortiz looks like a shithead now.  These guys will have to deal with the shit storm. 

Jamie Moyer might shock me...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on July 30, 2009, 06:27:08 PM
I will not be surprised by anyone being on the list.  And I don't care.  The damage has been done.  Ortiz looks like a shithead now.  These guys will have to deal with the aMm storm. 

Jamie Moyer might shock me...

Moyer is on some magical anti-aging shit.

I can't believe that dude is maybe a year younger than ME and he's got a 10-7 record.

If any of you have a lefthanded boy kid, start him pitching.  If you have a righthanded boy kid, tie his right hand behind his back before he learns any better.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 02, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
Since the trade for Holliday on July 24th, Albert is batting .216 with 0 home runs and avg a walk a game
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 04, 2009, 08:17:45 PM
3 for 4, all he needs is a triple for the cycle tonight.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on August 04, 2009, 09:35:24 PM
His "slump" is history - 4-5, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 5th GS of season, 11th career.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 04, 2009, 09:35:48 PM
His "slump" is history - 4-5, 2 HR, 5 RBI, 5th GS of season, 11th career.

 :beer: :thumbup:  He was batting .408 with the bases loaded coming into that at bat.

That GS came in the 10th inning, btw.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hOUSTon NUTT on August 04, 2009, 09:39:16 PM
:beer: :thumbup:  He was batting .408 with the bases loaded coming into that at bat.

That GS came in the 10th inning, btw.


I'm going to need to change my shorts after that home run...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HogNrock on August 04, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
On the year with the bases loaded...

7-9, 5 HRs, 24 RBI

Now would be the time to just cut your losses and walk in a run.

He's not human.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on August 04, 2009, 09:47:39 PM
On the year with the bases loaded...

7-9, 5 HRs, 24 RBI


This ends the NL MVP race for 2009.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 04, 2009, 09:55:00 PM
On the year with the bases loaded...

7-9, 5 HRs, 24 RBI

Now would be the time to just cut your losses and walk in a run.

He's not human.

I was about to post that.  Why continue to pitch him with the bases loaded?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HogNrock on August 04, 2009, 09:56:40 PM
I was about to post that.  Why continue to pitch him with the bases loaded?

Pride, dumbassedry, or a little bit of both is my guess.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 04, 2009, 09:59:50 PM
Pride, dumbassedry, or a little bit of both is my guess.
hopefully, teams will continue to do it so he can catch up after this 2 week slump.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 04, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
I think 5 Grand Slams in one season ties Earnie Banks NL record. (The AL record is 6)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 04, 2009, 10:17:16 PM
I think 5 Grand Slams in one season ties Earnie Banks NL record. (The AL record is 6)
yep.  one behind Mattingly and Hafner
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on August 04, 2009, 11:42:58 PM
I think 5 Grand Slams in one season ties Earnie Banks NL record. (The AL record is 6)

I usually only visit Denny's once a year, so yeah, that is some kind of record.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tuck on August 05, 2009, 07:21:36 AM
Pujols was the lead on Sportscenter last night. SVP made me actually LOL with one of his comments about El Hombre's #'s with the bases juiced. He was talking about his slugging % w/ the bases juiced this season (2.444) and said something to the effect of, "normally you see some #'s to the right of the decimal, but usually there isn't one to the left, and it's damn sure not a 2!"
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 05, 2009, 10:08:32 AM
What shocked me wasn't just that the dumas pitched to him; it was that he threw him 4 straight strikes in approximately the same location at approximately the same velocity.  He should have left the game after the first three and went and bought all the powerball tickets he could afford.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 05, 2009, 12:10:07 PM
I was at US Pizza in the City of Colleges last night and they had the game on.  I think it was the pitch imediately before that he fouled way deep to left and there was a collective buzz and leaning forward in chairs in the room after that.  Some dude a couple of tables over, possibly having taken advantage of $1.50 Draft Beer Night for several innings, hollerd, "groove one, you bitch" right before the home run pitch.  Much chortling, followed  by cheering.

I don't know if he's officialy out of his slump or not.  He's been chasing a LOT of pitches out of the zone, which he rarely does when he's on, plus it seems he's been trying to lift too many pitches and ends up topping lots of stuff.  What would ordinarily be a hard liner becomes a grounder with top spin.  But, last night he really seemed dialed in.  And on the walk, he took a CLOSE pitch on 3-2, suggesting to me he's calming back down at the plate and not chasing crap.

BTW, Willie McCovey has the NL carear record for GS's with 16.  AP now has 11.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Scotty Doesn't Know on August 05, 2009, 01:21:17 PM
I was at US Pizza in the City of Colleges last night and they had the game on.  I think it was the pitch imediately before that he fouled way deep to left and there was a collective buzz and leaning forward in chairs in the room after that.  Some dude a couple of tables over, possibly having taken advantage of $1.50 Draft Beer Night for several innings, hollerd, "groove one, you bitch" right before the home run pitch.  Much chortling, followed  by cheering.



You're welcome.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 05, 2009, 01:40:17 PM
In the postgame Albert told us that his slump ended 5 days ago, but luck wasn't on his side.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 08, 2009, 08:05:48 PM
After that bases loaded double, he is now 8 for 10 with the bases loaded this year and 27 RBI's.  He now has 100.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 08, 2009, 08:42:40 PM
Looks like Larussa's idea of batting the pitcher 8th is working out.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 08, 2009, 09:40:52 PM
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on August 08, 2009, 10:47:50 PM
Pujols was the lead on Sportscenter last night. SVP made me actually LOL with one of his comments about El Hombre's #'s with the bases juiced. He was talking about his slugging % w/ the bases juiced this season (2.444) and said something to the effect of, "normally you see some #'s to the right of the decimal, but usually there isn't one to the left, and it's damn sure not a 2!"

Only hitting a double caused his slugging % to DROP to 2.400.  I guess an OPS of 3.200 with the bases loaded is still okay, right statheads?

Dammit, still not all the way out of his slump yet.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 08, 2009, 10:52:34 PM
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 09, 2009, 10:34:43 AM
Am I the only one who considers it disappointing when Pujols only gets a bases clearing double with the bases loaded?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2009, 08:55:57 PM
Reds just walked in a run to get to Pujols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2009, 09:01:00 PM
broken bat to lf ends the inning.

It would've been gone had the bat not broke.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 11, 2009, 04:09:11 PM
broken bat to lf ends the inning.

It would've been gone had the bat not broke.
He needs WonderBoy.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 11, 2009, 04:35:01 PM
He needs WonderBoy.

No.  Wonderboy got busted.  He needed Bobby Savoy's replacement bat.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on August 11, 2009, 09:19:34 PM
No.  Wonderboy got busted.  He needed Bobby Savoy's replacement bat.
What's wrong with you guys lately?

Savoy Special.

It's like none of you watch movies anymore.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 11, 2009, 09:26:04 PM
What's wrong with you guys lately?

Savoy Special.

It's like none of you watch movies anymore.

I had seen that too but didn't think it was worth the effort to correct it. It should go without saying.  :'(
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on August 11, 2009, 09:28:43 PM
I had seen that too but didn't think it was worth the effort to correct it. It should go without saying.  :'(
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 11, 2009, 10:01:15 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)

I try to correct as much as I can (as do others), but unfortunately I'm not the "correct all the factually incorrect posts" guy. I know you aren't either, but alot of them pass thru the cracks.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 11, 2009, 11:23:03 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)


That ranks right up there with my top 5 Far Side panels.  Highlarious.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on August 16, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
Albert now has 9 seasons of at least 30 HR, 30 doubles, 100 RBIs, and most likely a .300 BA (probably a safe bet since he is batting .488 in his last 11 games).  That ties him with some German-sounding guy who played with the Yankees a long time ago for the most in history.  The StL P-D wasn't clear whether that was at the start of a career or in total.

He screwed up a year or two ago and only scored 99 runs.

He also screwed up with the based loaded today but he made the pitcher walk off the field with a limp.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 17, 2009, 12:22:43 AM
Here's his RBI double on Saturday. 

(http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos5236/1/16/10/61/78/9/978611016113_0_ALB.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorgasm on August 17, 2009, 09:40:56 AM
Here's his RBI double on Saturday. 

(http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos5236/1/16/10/61/78/9/978611016113_0_ALB.jpg)

He hit right off that red x.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 17, 2009, 11:42:43 AM
x marks the spot.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 18, 2009, 12:04:18 AM
Number HR #39 and RBI #105 for Albert tonight.

The Redbirds 16 games over .500...

And a six game lead over the Cubs.
 O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: jmcwill04 on August 19, 2009, 02:34:25 PM
LOS ANGELES -- John Smoltz will resume his major league career, agreeing to a contract with the St. Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals will be responsible only for a prorated portion of the minimum salary, meaning they'll owe Smoltz only about $100,000 for the rest of the year, according to a source.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 19, 2009, 02:46:26 PM
LOS ANGELES -- John Smoltz will resume his major league career, agreeing to a contract with the St. Louis Cardinals. The Cardinals will be responsible only for a prorated portion of the minimum salary, meaning they'll owe Smoltz only about $100,000 for the rest of the year, according to a source.

There's another righty out of the bullpen.   :thumbup:  I'm cool with this as long as he never faces a left handed batter!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on August 19, 2009, 03:02:34 PM
I used to love to watch Smoltz pitch, he was my favorite Brave. But, once he put on that dreaded Sux uni it was as if I never knew him. So, Smoltz is at Atlanta North now. :bird:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 20, 2009, 12:42:42 AM
Tied 2-2 in the 9th- Pujols walks, steals second, advances to 3rd on an error, then scores on a Holliday sac fly. 

And yeah, there are two Cardinals threads at the top of the page.   :P
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 23, 2009, 06:02:15 PM
Winnie the Pooh hit his 40th today with Smoltz pitching wonderfully.

I think Albert's been in a slump lately, but 40 HR is still not too shabby, for the umpteenth time.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 23, 2009, 06:04:10 PM
I think Albert's been in a slump lately, but 40 HR is still not too shabby, for the umpteenth time.

5th time in his career with 40 homers. So yeah, that is not too shabby.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 25, 2009, 10:41:02 PM
Knocked in the game's only run with the first inning double.  !-3 against Wandy Rodriquez so he raised his .120 lifetime average against him.

Great pitcher's duel tonight.  At one point, 28 batters in a row were retired.  Rodreiguez was nasty:  3 hitter, one run, gets out 15 in a row -- and loses 1-0.  Wainright now tied with the league leaders in wins with 15.  Three hits over 8 innings.  24 starts in a row with at least 6 innings.  No more than 2 runs in last 12 starts with an ERA of about 1.40 over that stretch.  It's hard to say who's got a better chance for the Cy Young, him or Carpenter.

Tonight and a couple of the Dodger games last week had play-off quality buzz.  The Cards are looking like they have better hitting than the Dodgers and better pitching 1 through 3 than both the Dodgers and Phillies.  Could be a Cards-Yanks World Series.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on August 25, 2009, 10:47:06 PM
Aren't the Cards like 25-3 in the last 28 games that Carp, Wain, or Pinero have started? Am I dreaming that up?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 25, 2009, 11:18:47 PM
Well, they're 17-3 in their last 20 games no matter who starts, so that's probably true.

Here's the encouraging thing to me; last week Pujols and Holliday were darn close to "0-for-the-West-Coast" and they still were 5-2 on the road.  They are winning against good pitching, even when their studs don't hit.  

They are now within 3 in the loss column of having the best record in the league.  The team that seemed to be held together with bailing wire and duct tape most of the first half of the season now has swagger and the best trio of starters in baseball.  I'd say they're now even money versus the field to win the pennant.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 26, 2009, 01:39:57 AM
which means the Rockies will whip they ass.

Just saying.

I have a bad feeling they peaked too early.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 26, 2009, 09:16:25 AM
Albert in his typical July/August swoon.

Down to .317, 40 HR, 107 RBI

Good thing the Cards signed Matt Holliday.   :)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on August 26, 2009, 12:15:08 PM
which means the Rockies will whip they ass.

Just saying.

I have a bad feeling they peaked too early.
... and you don't think the Rockies are peaking early?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 26, 2009, 09:44:22 PM
TWENTY games over .500.

 :hollah:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on August 26, 2009, 11:37:01 PM
hope they have Pineiro up there on that "Who do we need to sign next year list?"  He is about as good a 3rd starter as you are going to find right now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 27, 2009, 06:53:22 AM
Wonder if Duncan can work any magic with Penny?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4425741 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4425741)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on August 27, 2009, 08:04:51 AM
Wonder if Duncan can work any magic with Penny?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4425741 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4425741)
Bad Penny went to shit when he got runn off't teh Woopigz.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: geohul on August 28, 2009, 09:35:52 PM
Once again #5 proves you don't give him anything to hit with the game on the line. Great game tonight.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 28, 2009, 09:38:50 PM
Word.  HR #41 was a 9th inning walk off.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 28, 2009, 09:49:07 PM
Is there some verb beyond "crush?"

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6347163&c_id=stl&topic_id= (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6347163&c_id=stl&topic_id=)

"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry. I mean anything travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?"

(http://www.themoviemind.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/costner-bull-durham.bmp)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on August 28, 2009, 10:06:06 PM
Old coach Eddie Sutton was on the field before the game tonight.  He's friends with Holliday and his family.   He was talking to Pujols and Holliday when they showed him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Spookhog on August 29, 2009, 12:17:28 AM
A second quality start for Smoltz. He's looking like a nice addition.
Albert was just being Albert. ;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on August 29, 2009, 08:29:02 AM
Good news for central Arkansas Card fans. Little Rock channel 42 will carry the rest of the Sunday Cardinal games starting tomorrow. 
The other station dropped them about a month ago.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 29, 2009, 09:01:04 AM
Good news for central Arkansas Card fans. Little Rock channel 42 will carry the rest of the Sunday Cardinal games starting tomorrow. 
The other station dropped them about a month ago.

According to the interwebs, their OTA digital signal is 44.1.  Is that still true?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 29, 2009, 09:07:31 AM
Good news for central Arkansas Card fans. Little Rock channel 42 will carry the rest of the Sunday Cardinal games starting tomorrow. 
The other station dropped them about a month ago.
what is that on direct tv?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on August 29, 2009, 09:59:04 AM
The Little Rock channels are my locals on Direct TV so I get it on channel 42.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 29, 2009, 10:44:40 AM
This URL probably won't work much longer but here's the walk-off.  I like the "hey, batboy, I won't be needing my bat any more tonight" toss to the dugout.

You can see how the catcher is set up outside, then watches as his pitcher groves one right down the middle.

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6347163&c_id=stl&topic_id= (http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6347163&c_id=stl&topic_id=)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 29, 2009, 11:48:21 AM
I don't know if I've said this yet, but I don't think we've ever seen anything like him.   O0


When the best player on your team is the best player in the league, and he's arguably the best person and clubhouse guy in the league, it makes the team better for sure.  Think about the difference of playing on his team vs. playing on Arod's team. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 29, 2009, 12:33:08 PM
Good news for central Arkansas Card fans. Little Rock channel 42 will carry the rest of the Sunday Cardinal games starting tomorrow. 
The other station dropped them about a month ago.
Is that KARZ?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bogey7 on August 29, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
Saw on the ESPiN that the Cardinals have scored 3 or fewer runs in their last 11 games.  They are 8-3 during that stretch.  Getting it done they are
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on August 29, 2009, 12:39:21 PM
Is that KARZ?

Right. They're an affiliate now of KARK channel 4.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 29, 2009, 04:28:22 PM
The Little Rock channels are my locals on Direct TV so I get it on channel 42.
thanks.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 30, 2009, 04:59:55 PM
10 games up in the NL Central.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on September 02, 2009, 08:01:27 PM
pujols up to bat with bases loaded.

double

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on September 04, 2009, 06:35:57 PM
St. Louis Cardinals fan feels uplifted after fall

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/A34B97533108A7C786257627000A2C90?OpenDocument (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/A34B97533108A7C786257627000A2C90?OpenDocument)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on September 04, 2009, 08:10:23 PM
3 run shot. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on September 04, 2009, 09:53:11 PM
3 run shot. 

to take the lead back.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on September 04, 2009, 10:02:06 PM
top 3 picthers now 33-4 or whatever in their last however many starts?

That's all anybody will see in the playoffs by the way.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 05, 2009, 01:02:51 AM
Who is the last non-steroid player to hit 50 HR's twice?

Anyone?  Anyone?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Deja Vu on September 05, 2009, 01:13:27 AM
Who is the last non-steroid player to hit 50 HR's twice?

Anyone?  Anyone?
Junior
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on September 06, 2009, 12:40:58 PM
was taking the game off last night.  top of 10th he pinch hits for Green.  Hits a lead off hr, his 44th of the year.  Cards wind up winning. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: PorkRyan on September 09, 2009, 04:39:44 PM
Two more HR's today
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on September 09, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
Two more HR's today
:thumbup:  Forgot it was a day game today.  Glad I saw this so I won't sit down tonight, turn on FoxMidwest and watch 3 innings before wondering, "Hey, why is it light outside there?"  They always show a replay of the day games at night and it has tricked me once this year.

Also, Holliday is batting .381 with a .437 OBP in his 42 games as a Cardinal.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 09, 2009, 05:27:40 PM
Triple Crown update:  He's 30 points back.

If he hits .400 in September, and Ramirez hits .250, I think he could catch him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 09, 2009, 06:07:05 PM
Well, if he could play all 20 remaining games against the Brewers I think he could do it.

Night before last, no not last night when they won 4-3 (and he homered), but Game 1 when they were in the middle of the one-hitter and it's scoreless and Pujols comes up with men on second and third.  I don't know if it was SportsCenter or that Fox thing but the talking heads' exchange was something like:

Dude #1: "Still scoreless in the 5th when Albert comes up, men on second and third with first base open. Dare I say it?"

Dude #2: "No, don't, there's no point rubbing it in."

Dude #1:  "We're aspiring journalists, we need to ask the tough questions."

Dude #2:  "Okay, we'll say it together."

Both Dudes:  "Why do you pitch to this guy???"

(video showing Pujols then doubling over the CF's head, scoring both runners)

By the way, Holiday has bruisd his left knee and may miss some games.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on September 09, 2009, 11:59:30 PM
:thumbup:  Forgot it was a day game today.  Glad I saw this so I won't sit down tonight, turn on FoxMidwest and watch 3 innings before wondering, "Hey, why is it light outside there?"  They always show a replay of the day games at night and it has tricked me once this year.

Also, Holliday is batting .381 with a .437 OBP in his 42 games as a Cardinal.

You aren't alone.  I wanted to stay up and watch the game tonight, so I downed three Tylenol PM's this afternoon for a migraine, (Didn't check the bottle, thought it was just regular ol' acetaminophen.)... and woke up too late to see the damn replay.

Sportscenter highlights... frick me.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on September 18, 2009, 10:47:42 PM
Scratch off "beating the cubbies" from the list of things that Holliday hasn't done as a Cardinal yet.  Bottom of the 9th walkoff bishes.   :beer:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 20, 2009, 10:44:21 PM
Here's Exhibit #517 that Larusa overmanages.

Tied 3-3, bottom of the 9th with Pujols due up third.  Lead off man reaches, so DeRosa up, Pujols on deck with no one out, ninth inning.

I say hit away here with the idea DeRosa, Pujols, and Holliday can move him around and get him in before the inning is over.

Instead, TL has DeRosa bunt, giving away an out and simultaneously taking the bat out of Albert's hands since, of ocurse, the Cubs now walk him with first base open.

So, would you rather have Albert up there with winning run on first and nobody out, with Holliday waiting on deck.  Or do you want Holliday up there with one out already and winning run on second.

The pitcher hits Holliday, loading them up, but Ludwick, WHO WAS 0-4, hits into a double play.

We go to the 10th.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on September 23, 2009, 09:33:15 AM
Here's Exhibit #517 that Larusa overmanages.

Tied 3-3, bottom of the 9th with Pujols due up third.  Lead off man reaches, so DeRosa up, Pujols on deck with no one out, ninth inning.

I say hit away here with the idea DeRosa, Pujols, and Holliday can move him around and get him in before the inning is over.

Instead, TL has DeRosa bunt, giving away an out and simultaneously taking the bat out of Albert's hands since, of ocurse, the Cubs now walk him with first base open.

So, would you rather have Albert up there with winning run on first and nobody out, with Holliday waiting on deck.  Or do you want Holliday up there with one out already and winning run on second.

The pitcher hits Holliday, loading them up, but Ludwick, WHO WAS 0-4, hits into a double play.

We go to the 10th.

Not disagreeing that it was bad strategy, but that actually sounds like under-managing to not think far enough ahead to know the Cubs would walk Albert. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on September 23, 2009, 09:35:07 AM
Not disagreeing that it was bad strategy, but that actually sounds like under-managing to not think far enough ahead to know the Cubs would walk Albert. 

The bunt was what opened 1st base, thus all-but-assuring a walk of Pujols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on September 26, 2009, 10:42:25 PM
Central Division Champions. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Spookhog on September 26, 2009, 11:35:50 PM
Central Division Champions. 

Yes indeed :thumbup:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggies on September 26, 2009, 11:46:40 PM
As a braves fan, finish them off tomorrow and we'll see you in a couple weeks.  Should be fun, two excellent pitching staffs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on September 27, 2009, 12:02:34 AM
Anybody who saw the bottom of the 8th and didn't love it, either doesn't get sports or is a Cubs fan.

It was like Charlie Sheen and the big hairy Yankee hitter in Major League.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on September 27, 2009, 01:47:00 AM
Anybody who saw the bottom of the 8th and didn't love it, either doesn't get sports or is a Cubs fan.

It was like Charlie Sheen and the big hairy Yankee hitter in Major League.

Word.  Wainwright was fired up.  I love watching him and Carp on the mound.  I also love Ludwick wearing ski goggles in the locker room for the post-game celebration.  I know in baseball you can't really put much into clubhouse chemistry, but I think that these guys really have fun together.  And really, how can you not have fun with Brendan Ryan in the clubouse?  I leave you with this, America...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI8l87uyDXM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI8l87uyDXM)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on September 27, 2009, 12:44:07 PM
Word.  Wainwright was fired up.  I love watching him and Carp on the mound.  I also love Ludwick wearing ski goggles in the locker room for the post-game celebration.  I know in baseball you can't really put much into clubhouse chemistry, but I think that these guys really have fun together.  And really, how can you not have fun with Brendan Ryan in the clubouse?  I leave you with this, America...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI8l87uyDXM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI8l87uyDXM)

Just when I had bleached this from my mind...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on September 27, 2009, 06:00:29 PM
Just when I had bleached this from my mind...

Check the remix

http://media.imeem.com/m/y1xHOpSc7v (http://media.imeem.com/m/y1xHOpSc7v)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on September 28, 2009, 09:18:18 AM
Word.  Wainwright was fired up.  I love watching him and Carp on the mound.  I also love Ludwick wearing ski goggles in the locker room for the post-game celebration.  I know in baseball you can't really put much into clubhouse chemistry, but I think that these guys really have fun together.  And really, how can you not have fun with Brendan Ryan in the clubouse?  I leave you with this, America...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI8l87uyDXM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI8l87uyDXM)
She's hot so I will reserve all of my hatred for you for making me listen to that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 28, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
Pujols may or may not get to 50 HR's again, but he should have the MVP all but wrapped up.

Take out Bonds, and how many is that for him again?   8-)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: jmcwill04 on October 01, 2009, 12:12:05 PM
Carpenter just hit a Grand Slam  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on October 01, 2009, 12:18:21 PM
She's hot so I will reserve all of my hatred for you for making me listen to that.

this.

I don't know what fire burning in the outfield means and I don't know how you hit a "smooth homerun" but I don't care.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on October 01, 2009, 01:36:16 PM
Carp with a double.  He's got 6 RBI today.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on October 01, 2009, 01:40:22 PM
She's hot so I will reserve all of my hatred for you for making me listen to that.

She has future fatty written all over that mushy body.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on October 02, 2009, 09:11:08 PM
Wainwright receives a curtain call after being lifted in the 7th with a 6 - 1 lead.  Fingers crossed the bullpen hangs on so he can get that 20th win tonight.

Oh, and I needed a baseball related excuse to post this picture:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on October 02, 2009, 09:22:21 PM
Fuck me.  The jinx lives.
 :suicide:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on October 02, 2009, 10:04:15 PM
Wainwright receives a curtain call after being lifted in the 7th with a 6 - 1 lead.  Fingers crossed the bullpen hangs on so he can get that 20th win tonight.

Oh, and I needed a baseball related excuse to post this picture:
6-3
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on October 02, 2009, 10:13:35 PM
6-3

No, he left the game in the 7th up 6 - 1, but with runners on 1st and 2nd when McClellan was called into the game.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on October 02, 2009, 10:29:57 PM
No, he left the game in the 7th up 6 - 1, but with runners on 1st and 2nd when McClellan was called into the game.

And now it's 6-12.  Holy fuck.

If I was Wainwright, I'd kick every single member of the Cards' bullpen in the sack.  Twice.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on October 02, 2009, 10:47:43 PM
frick me.  The jinx lives.
 :suicide:

Man, you really shit the bed on that one.  Way to go!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on October 02, 2009, 11:02:50 PM
Dear Mr. Pujols,
We look forward to beating your ass in the World Series...if you make it there.

Sincerely,
LAA

 O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Simple_Existence on October 02, 2009, 11:18:46 PM
I haven't been staying up with this thread but anytime the Cardinals are in the playoffs, you have to bet on them.
Title: The Cardinals bullpen just went...
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on October 02, 2009, 11:32:02 PM
... full retard.

I got drunk for this?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on October 15, 2009, 12:47:50 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4562027 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4562027)

Pujols wants a competitive team, not max money
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on October 25, 2009, 03:11:24 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4593412 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4593412)

Adios Hal. Hola McGwire.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on October 25, 2009, 04:24:07 PM
Is he going to show them how to inject needles into thier asses properly and how to mix the creatine?

Or how to sit out the final two games of a season so you dont take the chance your batting average dips below .200 for the season
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on October 25, 2009, 04:26:14 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4593412 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4593412)

Adios Hal. Hola McGwire.

So, I wonder what the team strikeout record is.

almost 1600 strikeouts in his career and a .263 career BA?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Spookhog on October 27, 2009, 12:02:55 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4593412 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4593412)

Adios Hal. Hola McGwire.

Wow. I am surprised Big Mac is putting himself in public
after hiding for so long. Also surprised Daddy Duncan is coming back.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on October 27, 2009, 09:32:07 AM
Wow. I am surprised Big Mac is putting himself in public
after hiding for so long. Also surprised Daddy Duncan is coming back.

Surprising indeed.  Will be interesting to see how they handle the media early on.  Might as well put him up for a press conference and get it over with, if that's possible.  This should be pretty entertaining when Rasmus bulks up a little bit.  Didn't he lose some weight last year from the flu or something?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on October 27, 2009, 09:38:11 AM
I was surprised by big mac coming back, hell he's bound to have more money than he can ever spend, why not enjoy it. Why would he want to face the crap from the media and put up with the big egos of ML players.

Not surprised by Duncan. He's never made the big money and probably needs to work a few more years.  No real good pitching coach jobs available right now and if there was he probably wouldn't get a third what the Cards pay him.  I believe he's the second highest paid coach in baseball now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on October 27, 2009, 10:29:22 AM
McGwire has been helping several players through the past several years including Skip Schumaker. While I am weary of the distractions, I certainly think Mac is capable of being a good hitting coach.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on October 28, 2009, 12:44:47 AM
I was surprised by big mac coming back, Starkville he's bound to have more money than he can ever spend, why not enjoy it. Why would he want to face the crap from the media and put up with the big egos of ML players.
Maybe he wants a second crack at the hall of fame.  Steroids do not enhance managerial skills.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on October 28, 2009, 01:01:57 AM
McGwire has been helping several players through the past several years including Skip Schumaker. While I am weary of the distractions, I certainly think Mac is capable of being a good hitting coach.

Word.  He just needs to stay away from Holliday's leg kick.   :stache:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on October 28, 2009, 07:38:19 AM
Maybe he wants a second crack at the hall of fame.  Steroids do not enhance managerial skills.

Not so fast.  Connie Mack had to be on some sort of drug, maybe even steroids.  Something had to ruin his fashion sense when dressing for games.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on October 28, 2009, 10:29:26 AM
So Pujols will win his 3rd MVP in 9 years soon.

Got screwed over for Ryan Howard 1 year.

Lost to Barroid 2 years.

Or it would be 6 in 9 years.   :o

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Spookhog on October 29, 2009, 04:16:04 PM
Pujols says he wants to stay with Cards (http://Pujols says he wants to stay with Cards)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on October 29, 2009, 04:19:28 PM
Pujols says he wants to stay with Cards (http://Pujols says he wants to stay with Cards)
  Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Spookhog on October 29, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
Yeah, I probably fricked it up, but it's out there.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on October 29, 2009, 04:40:51 PM
This is where I saw something similar

http://www.birdsonthebat.org/showthread.php?t=56616 (http://www.birdsonthebat.org/showthread.php?t=56616)
There's a link there.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on November 24, 2009, 01:11:49 PM
Won his 3rd MVP award today, while getting all 32 first place votes.  http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/F702DF6BF9051E0D8625767800633EDB?OpenDocument
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bdubhog on November 25, 2009, 02:00:14 PM
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 18, 2010, 11:09:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sulMAiaDA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sulMAiaDA)

Queens of the Stone Age :evil: O0 :beer:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on February 18, 2010, 11:32:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sulMAiaDA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sulMAiaDA)

Queens of the Stone Age :evil: O0 :beer:

Interesting.  I didn't realize he only went yard to the opposite field three times last year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on February 18, 2010, 11:37:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sulMAiaDA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7sulMAiaDA)

Queens of the Stone Age :evil: O0 :beer:

7 is my favorite.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on February 18, 2010, 11:53:52 PM
7 is my favorite.

I was actually at that game.  I was in the very upper deck, but we were right behind home plate.  We were also there with a couple of Cubs fans.  That was one of those few times that you honestly just had to be there as a fan.  As soon as Pujols walked to the plate, the pitcher and catcher had a meeting on the mound.  The whole time this was happening, the jaws theme song was playing.  The most awesome thing about that- It was on the first pitch.  All that build up on both sides, just for one pitch, and he absolutely crushed it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on February 24, 2010, 12:38:40 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4940899 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4940899)

Mark sure has shrunk
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on February 24, 2010, 12:40:51 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4940899 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4940899)

Mark sure has shrunk
what exactly can mark teach albie about hitting?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: LaMoHog on February 24, 2010, 01:33:32 PM
what exactly can mark teach albie about hitting?

It'd have to be like being Darren McFadden's running back coach. Without all the harelipped retardedness.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Razorback Jedi on February 24, 2010, 01:36:07 PM
what exactly can mark teach albie about hitting?

that's not what he's teaching.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 24, 2010, 01:42:50 PM
what exactly can mark teach albie about hitting?

What exactly could Hal McRae or Mitchell Page teach him about hitting?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 26, 2010, 09:11:42 PM


By Rhett Bollinger / MLB.com

02/26/10 7:58 PM EST

The Cardinals signed free-agent utility player Felipe Lopez to a one-year deal, ESPN reported Friday. The club, however, has not confirmed it.

A baseball source told MLB.com that the deal was not complete, but could be struck in the next 24 hours. The contract is reportedly worth less than $2 million plus incentives, a source familiar with talks told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Lopez, 29, is coming off a career year with the D-backs and Brewers, batting a combined .310 with nine home runs, 57 RBIs and 88 runs, along with a career-high .383 on-base percentage in 151 games.

The switch-hitter also played in 43 games with the Cardinals in 2008, batting .385 with four home runs, 21 RBIs and 30 runs after being released by the Nationals earlier in the season.

The Puerto Rico native has played 602 games at shortstop, 300 at second base, 95 at third base, 16 in left field, one in right and one at first base.

Because of his versatility, Lopez can spell Cardinals regulars at second base, shortstop and third base while offering insurance in case David Freese doesn't develop at third or if shortstop Brendan Ryan needs more time to recover from wrist surgery.

The nine-year veteran is a career .269 hitter with 80 home runs, 391 RBIs, 536 runs and 115 stolen bases in 1,024 games with the Blue Jays, Reds, Nationals, Cardinals, D-backs and Brewers.
   
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on February 26, 2010, 09:28:18 PM

By Rhett Bollinger / MLB.com

02/26/10 7:58 PM EST

The Cardinals signed free-agent utility player Felipe Lopez to a one-year deal, ESPN reported Friday. The club, however, has not confirmed it.

A baseball source told MLB.com that the deal was not complete, but could be struck in the next 24 hours. The contract is reportedly worth less than $2 million plus incentives, a source familiar with talks told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Lopez, 29, is coming off a career year with the D-backs and Brewers, batting a combined .310 with nine home runs, 57 RBIs and 88 runs, along with a career-high .383 on-base percentage in 151 games.

The switch-hitter also played in 43 games with the Cardinals in 2008, batting .385 with four home runs, 21 RBIs and 30 runs after being released by the Nationals earlier in the season.

The Puerto Rico native has played 602 games at shortstop, 300 at second base, 95 at third base, 16 in left field, one in right and one at first base.

Because of his versatility, Lopez can speil Cardinals regulars at second base, shortstop and third base while offering insurance in case David Freese doesn't develop at third or if shortstop Brendan Ryan needs more time to recover from wrist surgery.

The nine-year veteran is a career .269 hitter with 80 home runs, 391 RBIs, 536 runs and 115 stolen bases in 1,024 games with the Blue Jays, Reds, Nationals, Cardinals, D-backs and Brewers.
   
didnt he play basketball at st johns
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 26, 2010, 09:30:14 PM
didnt he play basketball at st johns

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1994/1128_large.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on February 26, 2010, 10:01:49 PM
didnt he play basketball at st johns

I assume you were kidding, but... different Felipe.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 05, 2010, 12:23:26 PM
2010

1 At Bat

1 Home Run

2 RBIs

 O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 05, 2010, 12:24:26 PM
Holy shit....
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 05, 2010, 12:26:17 PM
You beat me to it, Guinness.  That was a solo shot though.  Schumaker and Ryan both struck out.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 05, 2010, 12:27:35 PM
You beat me to it, Guinness.  That was a solo shot though.  Schumaker and Ryan both struck out.

 :thumbup:

I guess that means he'll just have to hit another one today.  ;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 05, 2010, 01:03:10 PM
Production out of the 1-2 spots is going to be crucial...  I have a bad feeling Pujols will be hitting quite a few of those solo hr's.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 05, 2010, 01:49:39 PM
I just got this TV at the end of last year, so this is my first time watching the Cards in HD.

Daddy like.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 05, 2010, 02:09:45 PM
This is ridiculous.  Pujols 2nd homer of the day.  2 run shot.  He is an alien.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 05, 2010, 02:10:14 PM
:thumbup:

I guess that means he'll just have to hit another one today.  ;D

Dun.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on April 05, 2010, 02:16:42 PM
Big Mac brought the juice with him, and he's happy to share!  :evil:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 05, 2010, 02:18:06 PM
Why the hell is this blocked out on espn360?  Ridiculous.  I wouldn't have come to work today if I'd known this kind of horseshit was going to happen to me.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 05, 2010, 03:09:55 PM
First day back at the office:

4 for 5

2 HRs and 2 Singles

3 RBIs

3 Runs Scored

.800 Average

Edit: Add a 4th run scored
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 05, 2010, 03:11:30 PM
Colby having a fine day.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 05, 2010, 05:39:02 PM
So what offensive category is King Albert not leading in now this year?

Just teh body hair?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 05, 2010, 06:17:23 PM
First day back at the office:

4 for 5

2 HRs and 2 Singles

3 RBIs

3 Runs Scored

.800 Average

Edit: Add a 4th run scored

You forgot his 2.000 slugging percentage an his 2.800 OPS (I think that's the one the cool stats kids like).
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: cotte on April 05, 2010, 06:40:45 PM
33 pages of this? Seriously?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 05, 2010, 06:48:06 PM
33 pages of this? Seriously?

Well, since the thread is almost 2 years old it doesn't seem so long  ;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 05, 2010, 07:04:41 PM
33 pages of this? Seriously?

Imagine if there had been a woopig when young Michael Jordan entered the league...and furthermore imagine if it had happened with an NBA team most of the state are 3rd-generation fans of.  I imagine this thing would be 133 pages.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: West Texas Hog on April 05, 2010, 07:30:32 PM
33 pages of this? Seriously?

You're right. If this thing doesn't get up to at least 100, we are not fully appreciating teh awesomeness of Albert.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on April 05, 2010, 09:39:36 PM
33 pages of this? Seriously?

That's exactly how I feel every time I see another page added to the detention report.

Different strokes, my brother.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on April 05, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
And let's not overlook the most important stat line of the day:
IP    H    R   ER     BB   SO   HR   ERA
1.1   6   8   8   2   1   2   54.00

 :evil:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 05, 2010, 09:46:28 PM
And let's not overlook the most important stat line of the day:
IP    H    R   ER   BB   SO   HR   ERA
1.1   6   8   8   2   1   2   54.00

 :evil:

(http://cubsfan.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/zambrano.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: cotte on April 05, 2010, 09:59:20 PM
How dare you speak of the Detention Thread that way, Jar. Fuck!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on April 05, 2010, 11:49:58 PM
And let's not overlook the most important stat line of the day:
IP    H    R   ER     BB   SO   HR   ERA
1.1   6   8   8   2   1   2   54.00

 :evil:

Oh fuck it, I can't make it work.

Samardzija has an ERA of 108.01 after today.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 06, 2010, 12:15:25 AM
Oh frick it, I can't make it work.

Samardzija has an ERA of 108.01 after today.

  Chi Cubs     IP    H    R   ER   BB   SO   HR   ERA
Samardzija   0.1   2    6     4     3      1      0   108.00


Allow me to be of assistance.   :cheese:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 06, 2010, 12:52:15 AM
Man, the last remaining bit of faith people have in ballplayers being clean would be wiped out if this guy were ever shown to have even taken a single pill that could increase production.  I only say this after seeing how skinny Ortiz and ARoid are this year - obviously, something changed with them.  Meanwhile, Pujols looks as muscular as ever.


I've probably stated this in this thread already, but he'd have 7 MVPs in 9 years if wasn't screwed out by Barroid and Howard. 


BEST....PLAYER....EVER
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: subliznime on April 06, 2010, 02:27:43 AM
Man, the last remaining bit of faith people have in ballplayers being clean would be wiped out if this guy were ever shown to have even taken a single pill that could increase production.  I only say this after seeing how skinny Ortiz and ARoid are this year - obviously, something changed with them.  Meanwhile, Pujols looks as muscular as ever.


I've probably stated this in this thread already, but he'd have 7 MVPs in 9 years if wasn't screwed out by Barroid and Howard. 


BEST....PLAYER....EVER


stadiums were packed today. I don't think anyone truly
gives a shit about peds anymore.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on April 06, 2010, 01:12:04 PM
  Chi Cubs     IP    H    R   ER   BB   SO   HR   ERA
Samardzija   0.1   2    6     4     3      1      0   108.00


Allow me to be of assistance.   :cheese:

At least he got an out.....
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on April 06, 2010, 03:11:29 PM
It would be better if he didn't get an out.  His ERA would be DIV/#0!!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 11, 2010, 08:51:27 PM
Is this the official Cardinals thread as well? 

Carpenter gave up 7 HR's all of last season.  He's in the 5th inning of his 2nd start and has already given up 5 this year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: DLog12 on April 11, 2010, 09:17:30 PM
There's number 3 on the season
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 11, 2010, 10:11:26 PM
There's number 3 on the season

There's number 4 with a 2 run shot off of Hoffman in the top of the 9th to bring the Cards to one run down.

Holliday follows with a solo shot to tie it 7-7. Back2Back off Hells Bells with 2 outs
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 11, 2010, 10:16:55 PM
And THAT is what we're paying these two for!  Awesome!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 11, 2010, 10:23:15 PM
K-Mac FAIL.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on April 11, 2010, 10:24:01 PM
Caseay McGehee just hit a walk off BOMB... Holy Cow that was a Bomb
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 11, 2010, 11:47:11 PM
Caseay McGehee just hit a walk off BOMB... Holy Cow that was a Bomb

Yeah, he hammered that.  As Chuck would say, "That was a no doubter."  I'm not one to get upset over a baseball loss, but it sucks to waste the heroics from Pujols and Holliday.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 12, 2010, 04:22:31 PM
Welp he is 2 for 2 with a three run jack and 4 rbi today.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 12, 2010, 06:19:45 PM
Welp he is 2 for 2 with a three run jack and 4 rbi today.

Yippee!  The Astros are in town!  That'll cure what ails you.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Olive Branch Hog on April 12, 2010, 11:02:34 PM
Welp he is 2 for 2 with a three run jack and 4 rbi today.

At this point, it's just silly how he toys with major league pitching.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 12, 2010, 11:36:22 PM
I think it's funny that this thread has turned into a daily what good game did Pujols have today thread.

Not that I mind b/c I think it's quicker for me to look here to see if he had a good game than many other places online, especially if I'm here anyways.  But, I started this thread b/c I really think he IS the best player ever.  Seriously. 

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 13, 2010, 12:38:35 AM
I think it's funny that this thread has turned into a daily what good game did Pujols have today thread.

Not that I mind b/c I think it's quicker for me to look here to see if he had a good game than many other places online, especially if I'm here anyways.  But, I started this thread b/c I really think he IS the best player ever.  Seriously. 



Rodriguez is one of the few pitchers that kinda sorta had always had an upper hand on Pujols in his career.

Albert rolled his ass up today. He's one of the most talented players in every facet of the game that most of us will ever see... It is his relentless work ethic and effort that will have us talking about him for the rest of our lives, though.

I pray to god that those birds and that bat stays on his chest for as long as he wants to play.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on April 13, 2010, 09:48:02 AM
Rodriguez is one of the few pitchers that kinda sorta had always had an upper hand on Pujols in his career.

Albert rolled his ass up today. He's one of the most talented players in every facet of the game that most of us will ever see... It is his relentless work ethic and effort that will have us talking about him for the rest of our lives, though.

I pray to god that those birds and that bat stays on his chest for as long as he wants to play.


Make him the player/manager when Larussa retires.  Give him both salaries.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 13, 2010, 03:03:40 PM

Make him the player/manager when Larussa retires.  Give him both salaries.

Oquendo will be the manager once TLR retires. Why? Because that is who Pujols wants.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on April 14, 2010, 09:29:26 AM
At this point, it's just silly how he toys with major league pitching.

To be fair, Flouston's pitching staff could hardly be considered "major league."
 *:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: bigghurtt on April 14, 2010, 07:42:48 PM
Pujols just got RBI 15 in the first inning of game 8.

And if you missed it, he now has more HRs for the first 10 years of his career than anyone in MLB history...with 154.89 games left to add on.

Greatest.

Ever.

Of.

All.

Time.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 14, 2010, 11:25:56 PM
and even with all of his on the field accomplishments, don't forget he also has the longest "greatest ever" thread on Woopig by far*


*unless you consider the WCDC thread a greatest ever detention center thread
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 15, 2010, 08:31:53 AM
and even with all of his on the field accomplishments, don't forget he also has the longest "greatest ever" thread on Woopig by far*


*unless you consider the WCDC thread a greatest ever detention center thread

Taylor  Albert, you good, but ev'body know Beyonce's video the WCDC thread is the greatest Woopig thread evah.   *:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on April 15, 2010, 07:39:29 PM
Taylor  Albert, you good, but ev'body know Beyonce's video the WCDC thread is the greatest Woopig thread evah.   *:

Imma let you finish, but that thread sucks. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 16, 2010, 02:45:53 AM
Sportscenter clowned on Al with the bud norris/ chuck norris angle.......

Expect a bomb or two next game.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on April 16, 2010, 09:32:18 AM
Sportscenter clowned on Al with the bud norris/ chuck norris angle.......

Expect a bomb or two next game.

I can't decide which is more pathetic - that incredibly lame attempt by ESPN to work off a meme that peaked about 2008 or so, or the fact that the Cardinals have scored all of 3 runs off of the last 18 innings of Astro pitching.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on April 23, 2010, 11:04:03 PM
He's making the Cardinals his bitch tonight, but damn I love watching Tim Lincecum pitch. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 23, 2010, 11:13:47 PM
He's making the Cardinals his bitch tonight, but damn I love watching Tim Lincecum pitch.  

He was a little shaky early and the Cards had their chances, but they couldn't ever do anything with it.  Could have been a good game, but the Cards couldn't capitalize and Garcia got screwed by a passed ball and a couple of errors.  

But yeah, there are certain pitchers that you can tell are just better than everybody else and he's one of them.  Wainwright vs. Zito should be pretty good tomorrow though.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 24, 2010, 12:52:29 PM
Lincecum is good, but Wainright deserved that Cy Young last year and I've yet to find anyone give me a reasonable opinion as to how Lincecum deserved it more.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 24, 2010, 10:13:42 PM
So when did Barry Zito become useful again?  Apparently I missed that memo. Both pitchers are under 100 pitches in the 8th.  Giants finally get on the board in the bottom of the 8th and lead 1-0.

EDIT...  Apparently I jinxed Wainwright.  Just when I posted that he gets screwed by a horrible call at first, followed by a sac fly.  2-0 Giants.   :-\
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on April 24, 2010, 10:33:34 PM
So when did Barry Zito become useful again?  Apparently I missed that memo. Both pitchers are under 100 pitches in the 8th.  Giants finally get on the board in the bottom of the 8th and lead 1-0.

EDIT...  Apparently I jinxed Wainwright.  Just when I posted that he gets screwed by a horrible call at first, followed by a sac fly.  2-0 Giants.   :-\

Pujols has looked pretty bad for a week now, dammit.  The rest of the offense hasn't exactly been lighting it up either.

Fuckers...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on April 24, 2010, 10:35:54 PM
I blame McGwire.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 24, 2010, 10:37:10 PM
Albert might as well be wearing a blindfold at the dish
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 24, 2010, 10:45:48 PM
Sucks to lose the first series of the year on another great game by Wainwright, but Zito earned it I guess.  And what's up with the hair on the Giants' closer?  Dude has some kind of weird rat tail thing that just pisses me off.  I hate him for it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 25, 2010, 03:15:07 PM
Well that was a nice blast by AP. Hope that gets him jump started.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on April 25, 2010, 05:06:03 PM
#7 on the year
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 25, 2010, 06:08:43 PM
Cards are going to lose to the Angels on May 22, because I'll be at the game in the Cardinals Club.

Suck it, peons.

I'm going to crash at APhiOHog's place and shave my balls in his kitchen sink.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on April 25, 2010, 07:02:46 PM
Cards are going to lose to the Angels on May 22, because I'll be at the game in the Cardinals Club.

Suck it, peons.

I'm going to crash at APhiOHog's place and shave my balls in his kitchen sink.

The only place you're "crashing" here is out in the alley with the rest of the homeless folk, you Cali fag-supporting ingrate.

Though I'm sure you could find some willing to help with your testicular issues.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on April 25, 2010, 07:04:55 PM
The only place you're "crashing" here is out in the alley with the rest of the homeless folk, you Cali fag-supporting ingrate.

Though I'm sure you could find some willing to help with your testicular issues.

That's very bigoted of you.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on April 25, 2010, 07:07:28 PM
That's very bigoted of you.

It's not my fault you're a godless Commie that doesn't support America's Team.   ;)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 26, 2010, 12:17:34 PM
It's not my fault you're a godless Commie that doesn't support America's Team.   ;)

When did Alpharetta say he didn't support the Cowboys?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on May 30, 2010, 04:09:57 PM
Nothing like a trip to Wrigley to awaken Albert. 3 home runs today. 2 of which landed on Waveland.  O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on May 30, 2010, 06:06:11 PM
All sorts of StL fans are griping because Albert is having a sub-Albert year.

He's still in the top 10 of all 3 NL Triple Crown categories (looking at stats before today vs. his stats after today).

That probably says more about how consistently great he has been than anything else.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on May 30, 2010, 06:32:30 PM
wow, it took him a month for him to do something to resurrect this thread   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 13, 2010, 08:30:21 PM
 2001 STL 161 590 112 194 47 4 37 130 69 93 1 3 .329 .403 .610 1.013   
 2002 STL 157 590 118 185 40 2 34 127 72 69 2 4 .314 .394 .561 .955   
 2003 STL 157 591 137 212 51 1 43 124 79 65 5 1 .359 .439 .667 1.106   
 2004 STL 154 592 133 196 51 2 46 123 84 52 5 5 .331 .415 .657 1.072   
 2005 STL 161 591 129 195 38 2 41 117 97 65 16 2 .330 .430 .609 1.039   
 2006 STL 143 535 119 177 33 1 49 137 92 50 7 2 .331 .431 .671 1.102   
 2007 STL 158 565 99 185 38 1 32 103 99 58 2 6 .327 .429 .568 .997   
 2008 STL 148 524 100 187 44 0 37 116 104 54 7 3 .357 .462 .653 1.114   
 2009 STL 160 568 124 186 45 1 47 135 115 64 16 4 .327 .443 .658 1.101   
2010 STL 87 321 55 99 21 1 21 64 60 44 9 3 .308 .416 .576 .992     
Career   1486 5467 1126 1816 408 15 387 1176 871 614 70 33 .332 .426 .625 1.051



What a down year.  Worst batting average ever at .308, high number of strikeouts at 44.

And yet if he had a year like this every year for 15 years, he would go down as one of the top 20 players of all time.  Good thing this is a down year.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on July 31, 2010, 01:40:03 PM
Didn't want to start another Cardinals thread, but Ryan Ludwick got traded to the Padres earlier today in a 3 team deal that brings Cleveland RHP Jake Westbrook to St. Louis.  Not really sure how I feel about this yet.  I guess the thinking is that we weren't going to be able to resign Ludwick anyway, and this at least gives us a #4 starter that is better than either Suppan or Hawksworth.  

As far as RF goes, I assume we'll be platooning Jay and Craig out there from now on.  On paper the offense should be able to overcome this, but we all know how they've been performing this year.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on July 31, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
Damn! Fox is actually showing the Braves today instead of licking that Yankee and Boston taint ala ESPN.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on July 31, 2010, 11:11:24 PM
Didn't want to start another Cardinals thread, but Ryan Ludwick got traded to the Padres earlier today in a 3 team deal that brings Cleveland RHP Jake Westbrook to St. Louis.  Not really sure how I feel about this yet.  I guess the thinking is that we weren't going to be able to resign Ludwick anyway, and this at least gives us a #4 starter that is better than either Suppan or Hawksworth.  

As far as RF goes, I assume we'll be platooning Jay and Craig out there from now on.  On paper the offense should be able to overcome this, but we all know how they've been performing this year.


Pitching hasn't been the Cardinals problem.  That's why I think this trade sucks.

Pitching didn't cost us the series against the Dodgers last year... 6 runs in 3 games did us in.  It's like Mozeliak isn't even trying.
 :-\
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 01, 2010, 12:57:48 AM
Pitching hasn't been the Cardinals problem.  That's why I think this trade sucks.


I choose to agree and disagree.  Personally, I hate trading Ludwick. I was actually a little sad about it, especially when they showed the interview with him tonight as he was leaving the stadium with all his stuff.  I guess I just never thought they would break up that outfield of him, Colby, and Holliday.

However, just going by the super dorky sabermetric numbers (which I will admit to love), I can see why Mozeliak made the deal.  As far as the WAR number goes we really don't lose much offensively between the Jay/Craig platoon and Ludwick.  Yeah the offense has been the problem, but not out of the right field spot.  The one thing that I will take a stand on is that we can't keep sending Suppan and Hawksworth out there 2 out of every 5 days.  Tonight was Suppan's best outing of the season and he still got pulled in the 6th with a 2-0 lead after only 73 pitches. 

Bottom line is that the offense isn't getting any worse by this trade.  The guys who are already there just need to start earning their keep... LOOKING AT YOU MIDDLE INFIELD!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 01, 2010, 02:20:49 AM
ups_hog, Yadi Molina says, "O, hai."
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 01, 2010, 07:01:45 AM
In a week our rotation will be Carp, Waino, Hi-me, Westbrook and Lohse. No Hawk. No Soup.

It was a needed move. Luddy would have more than likely walked after the year.

Now hopefully we can get some middle infield help during the waiver trade thingy.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Cousin Eddie on August 01, 2010, 09:39:18 AM
Cards got something for Ludwick because they weren't going to pay him next year as he will be a free agent....and it's time to resign Albert.


Thanks, Phillies.


Dumbasses.


The problem also isn't the pitching, but it's about to get better. The problem is McGwire.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on August 01, 2010, 09:47:01 AM
How bout those Astros?  :suicide: Nothing good has happened since Ed Wade became the general manager in 2007.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 01, 2010, 09:55:52 AM
ups_hog, Yadi Molina says, "O, hai."

He's not depended on for his bat or shouldn't be.  For a catcher, you need a field leader, a solid defense, and around a .200 BA.  He's one of the best defensive catchers in the game (my opinion, he's the best, but I'm biased).

Generally speaking, your power and best hitting comes from your corner infielders and outfield.  The middle infielders set the table and score runs.  The whole team needs to pick it up, including Albert, who shockingly, is below .300.

I think the reasons for this trade were simple.  Included in the fact that they won't be resigning Ludwick, they needed to get something for him and you can never have too much pitching.  I also have a sneaky suspicion that Garcia will hit a wall soon from fatigue and his youth (see: Ubaldo Jimenez).  The outfield was pretty packed and if I'm parsing (and I am), Jay was considered for sometime to be the future.  He was brought up to see what he's got and he batted .400 in July.  That was enough for Mozeliak to pull the trigger.  Not saying that I love losing Ludwick's bat in the short term, but given the options (at the final bell), it was probably the right/only move.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shermy on August 01, 2010, 10:00:33 AM
How bout those Astros?  :suicide: Nothing good has happened since Ed Wade became the general manager in 2007.

I actually like the moves that they've made in the last few days. It will be exciting to watch kids who actually want to be there instead of entitled veterans who don't.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 01, 2010, 10:07:08 AM
How bout those Astros?  :suicide: Nothing good has happened since Ed Wade became the general manager in 2007.

Get busy living or get busy dying.  They made the right moves, but they should've not kept so much of Oswalt's salary.  Happ is underrated and I would not be surprised to see McClane try to sell the team now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shermy on August 01, 2010, 10:20:30 AM
Get busy living or get busy dying.  They made the right moves, but they should've not kept so much of Oswalt's salary.  Happ is underrated and I would not be surprised to see McClane try to sell the team now.

I would be happy if he kept the team and stopped meddling. He's shown that he's willing to spend, and you can't really ask more from an owner than that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 01, 2010, 12:35:32 PM
He's not depended on for his bat or shouldn't be.  For a catcher, you need a field leader, a solid defense, and around a .200 BA.  He's one of the best defensive catchers in the game (my opinion, he's the best, but I'm biased).

Generally speaking, your power and best hitting comes from your corner infielders and outfield.  The middle infielders set the table and score runs.  The whole team needs to pick it up, including Albert, who shockingly, is below .300.

I think the reasons for this trade were simple.  Included in the fact that they won't be resigning Ludwick, they needed to get something for him and you can never have too much pitching.  I also have a sneaky suspicion that Garcia will hit a wall soon from fatigue and his youth (see: Ubaldo Jimenez).  The outfield was pretty packed and if I'm parsing (and I am), Jay was considered for sometime to be the future.  He was brought up to see what he's got and he batted .400 in July.  That was enough for Mozeliak to pull the trigger.  Not saying that I love losing Ludwick's bat in the short term, but given the options (at the final bell), it was probably the right/only move.

Nobody's expecting him to be Albert.  But I feel like prior to this year he was at least good for quality at-bats and could be a clutch RBI guy.  This year it seems like all he's done is hit into double plays, usually in key game situations.  More often than not he's a black hole in the line-up.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 01, 2010, 12:48:06 PM
Nobody's expecting him to be Albert.  But I feel like prior to this year he was at least good for quality at-bats and could be a clutch RBI guy.  This year it seems like all he's done is hit into double plays, usually in key game situations.  More often than not he's a black hole in the line-up.

And TLR has him batting 5th today...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 01, 2010, 12:48:56 PM
Nobody's expecting him to be Albert.  But I feel like prior to this year he was at least good for quality at-bats and could be a clutch RBI guy.  This year it seems like all he's done is hit into double plays, usually in key game situations.  More often than not he's a black hole in the line-up.

Good point...it does seem like a GIDP every time I see him bat, but I think we've just gotten spoiled up to this point as he's exceeded expectations to date and we've grown used to it that we're disappointed now that he's just "meeting" expectations.  Hey, at least we're not depending on him to steal bases!


I would be happy if he kept the team and stopped meddling. He's shown that he's willing to spend, and you can't really ask more from an owner than that.

Spend, yes.  Spend wisely?  Not so sure.  I'm still rolling my eyes on the Carlos Lee and Tejada signings among others.  They just aren't thatgood at FA veteran signings, IMO.  McClane is a good owner that genuinely love his team, city, and fans, though and you're right - you can't ask for much more than what he's doing.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 01, 2010, 12:50:07 PM
And TLR has him batting 5th today...

LaGenius
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 01, 2010, 12:51:35 PM
LaGenius
LaDrunk
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 01, 2010, 12:59:43 PM
And TLR has him batting 5th today...

I still have never understood the pitcher in the 8 hole.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 01, 2010, 01:02:43 PM
LaDrunk

LaRooshbag
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 01, 2010, 02:44:28 PM
I still have never understood the pitcher in the 8 hole.

If you put a "lead-off" type batter in the 9 hole, after the first inning, it's the same as Albert's hitting cleanup, i.e. there are three hitters ahead of him, plus he guaranteec to hit every single first inning.  I heard the other day how many AB's an everyday player loses over the course of a season for every spot you drop in the order, even between #3 and #4.

As for the trade, it's like the joke about being in a group of people being chased by a bear.  You don't have to be faster than the bear, just faster than one other person in the group.  The Cardinals are outfield rich and pitching poor after the Big Three.  In fact, Friday night they said of the Cardinal wins awarded to starters, the Big Three have all but one.  So, the dude from Cleveland, who's either 8-6 or 6-8 with about a 4.5 ERA, doesn't have to be Bob Gibson.  He just has to be better than the #5 they have.

Rasmus just hit the shortest double in the history in baseball..
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: likeupthisramp on August 01, 2010, 04:06:16 PM

Spend, yes.  Spend wisely?  Not so sure.  I'm still rolling my eyes on the Carlos Lee and Tejada signings among others.  They just aren't thatgood at FA veteran signings, IMO.  McClane is a good owner that genuinely love his team, city, and fans, though and you're right - you can't ask for much more than what he's doing.



I have always liked the 'Stro's even though they are in the Cards division.  But, I like them less since the opening of the new wiffle ballpark.  The owner may love the city, team, fans, whatever - he should not have allowed that to be a part of baseball.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: likeupthisramp on August 01, 2010, 04:13:29 PM
In a week our rotation will be Carp, Waino, Hi-me, Westbrook and Lohse. No Hawk. No Soup.

It was a needed move. Luddy would have more than likely walked after the year.

Now hopefully we can get some middle infield help during the waiver trade thingy.

I really liked Ludwick and he was underrated defensively.  He is under contract for next year, but, he is arbitration eligible.  They were speculating that he would get a $5MM raise then probably walk in 2012.  Not only must the Cards pay Pujols, but, Wainwright will get paid by somebody in the next year or two.

And to all who mentioned middle IF, that is correct.  We're getting nothing there.  I'm really surprised about Schuemaker.  I like Jay and Craig, but, I am worried about the lineup if we have to play Rathmus and Jay vs lefties.  I hope they can handle it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 01, 2010, 08:48:32 PM
I have always liked the 'Stro's even though they are in the Cards division.  But, I like them less since the opening of the new wiffle ballpark.  The owner may love the city, team, fans, whatever - he should not have allowed that to be a part of baseball.


 
I'm on the other side - live in the area, but don't care for the 'Stros.  I've gotten to where I "root for the home team" except when they play the Redbirds.  I do get very vocal when they play the Cubs, though.  I keep up with them because I'm crazy about the Cards, they're in the same division, and face it, its MLB this close to me.  While MM is a great place to go watch a game with the family (very cheap, great sightlines, covered roof so you don't die with the humidity during times like now), but you are right, its too gimmicky and they realize that now.  Especially that stupid hill and flagpole in centerfield.  I'm am floored that somebody hasn't blown out an ACL on a dead sprint trying to catch a fly ball out there.

The other funny part is almost every 'Stros fan I come across seems to the think they are bitter rivals with the Cards and they actually boo Pujols every time he comes to bat.  The truth is that, to the Cards, they're just another team in the division and the Cubs are obviously the real rival.  And besides, the ball Albert hit in the '05 playoffs still hasn't landed, I don't believe.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shermy on August 01, 2010, 11:18:38 PM
There are no real rivalries in MLB. Whoever is good in your division is your rival for that year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 01, 2010, 11:31:28 PM
 
And besides, the ball Albert hit in the '05 playoffs still hasn't landed, I don't believe.

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1004/mlb.pinnacle.moments/images/albert-pujols-brad-lidge.jpg)

"Something moving that fast usually has a stewardess on it."

There's a video from the third base camera showing the Houston dugout's reaction, especilaly Andy Petitt.  Priceless.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 02, 2010, 12:14:20 AM
There are no real rivalries in MLB. Whoever is good in your division is your rival for that year.

Go to a Cards-Cubs game any time.
Go to a Dodgers-Giants game any time.
Go to a Yankees-Red Sox game any time.

Then suck on a cock.

You're right, but there are staple rivalries that have existed in MLB for almost a century.
Cards-Cubs is the oldest, and Dodgers-Giants goes back to when the teams were both in NY.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 02, 2010, 09:39:02 PM
Tony LaRussa is drunk and on dope currently.

That is all.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 02, 2010, 09:44:14 PM
Tony LaRussa is drunk and on dope currently.


That is all.

Yank Westbrook too early? Check

Keep Motte in too long? Check

Put Schu is a god awful shift? Check

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 02, 2010, 09:49:01 PM
Yank Westbrook too early? Check

Keep Motte in too long? Check

Put Schu in a god awful shift? Check



Pull the double-switch and put Winn the defensive butcher in the OF, while taking Rasmus out of the line-up?  Check

Man, that Stavinoha sure is awesome, isn't he?

How many fucking games is LaRussa going to lose for us this year?  No lead is safe.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 02, 2010, 09:56:54 PM
Pull the double-switch and put Winn the defensive butcher in the OF, while taking Rasmus out of the line-up?  Check

Man, that Stavinoha sure is awesome, isn't he?


MEH.  Is it just me, or is TLR always screwing with Rasmus somehow?  Quit sitting him, pulling him, and moving him down in the order against left handed pitching.  I know he didn't get pulled for a lefty tonight, but he still got pulled.  It's time for Colby to wear the big boy pants, and he will never do that until TLR lets him.  He's your center fielder and one of the major components regarding the future of this team.  Just put him in the #5 spot and fricking LEAVE HIM ALONE.  

It looks like we finally got rid of Suppan, now if we could just get of Stav and Miles.  Although I have this feeling that TLR will find a reason to keep them both around all year, no matter what Craig and the rest of the young guys do.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 02, 2010, 10:01:18 PM
MEH.  Is it just me, or is TLR always screwing with Rasmus somehow?  Quit sitting him, pulling him, and moving him down in the order against left handed pitching.  I know he didn't get pulled for a lefty tonight, but he still got pulled.  It's time for Colby to wear the big boy pants, and he will never do that until TLR lets him.  He's your center fielder and one of the major components regarding the future of this team.  Just put him in the #5 spot and FUCKING LEAVE HIM ALONE.  

Yep.  I think that Colby would be improved against lefties this year if fucking LaRussa had let him make a SINGLE GODDAM FUCKING START against a lefty last season.

Bullpen management blows.
Pinch hitting selection blows.
Line-up selection blows.
Being mis-aligned in the infield blows.
Line-up tweaks blow.
Every wasted fucking start by Soup & Hawk blew.

We should not be a game back of fucking Cincinnatuh right now.

(Oh, and leaving in relief pitchers 1 or 2 outs after they're clearly done blows too.  Tony's done it twice tonight, and it's cost us the lead + an insurance run.)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on August 02, 2010, 10:30:54 PM


(Oh, and leaving in relief pitchers 1 or 2 outs batters after they're clearly done blows too.  Tony's done it twice tonight, and it's cost us the lead + an insurance run.)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 03, 2010, 10:55:50 AM
.300 26 HR 75 RBIs

Needs to finish the season .350 with 15 HR and 50 RBI for the triple crown.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shermy on August 03, 2010, 01:27:29 PM
Cardinal killer Bud Norris on the bump tonight. I'm smelling a sweep.  :2bird:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 03, 2010, 02:43:24 PM
TLR has to leave pen guys out too long a lot because he has a horrific habit of going apeshit and using a different pitcher for each batter and completely overmanaging the game... Leaving his entire bullpen unavailable for the next game(s).
Remember that this is the same manager that decided he needed to get Trever Miller in the game with a 1-1 count just so he could put the go ahead run on via double a week and a half ago.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 03, 2010, 04:31:45 PM
I've got good news and bad news.  Good news is that we are finally rid of Stav.  Not sure if he was DFA or optioned, but either way he's gone.  Craig is on his way up from Memphis and will be playing RF and batting 5th tonight. 

The bad news is that TLR cannot possibly do two things that make sense on the same day, so Aaron Miles is starting at 3rd base tonight.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 03, 2010, 04:45:11 PM
I've got good news and bad news.  Good news is that we are finally rid of Stav.  Not sure if he was DFA or optioned, but either way he's gone.  Craig is on his way up from Memphis and will be playing RF and batting 5th tonight. 

The bad news is that TLR cannot possibly do two things that make sense on the same day, so Aaron Miles is starting at 3rd base tonight.

For fuck's sake.

Of course, tonight we're going up against BUD FREAKING MORRIS, so we might as well start the entire bench and make Motte the starter, since we're going to lose anyway.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 03, 2010, 04:59:42 PM
I'm hearing bad word on Freese is coming soon.. Which begs the question. WHY DID WE NOT GET A MIDDLE INFIELD BAT TO FILL THIS RIDICULOUS HOLE IN OUR LINEUP?

Fuck management. First team in a playoff race to dump salary in the history of any sport ever invented.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 03, 2010, 06:00:13 PM
For fuck's sake.

Of course, tonight we're going up against BUD FREAKING MORRIS, so we might as well start the entire bench and make Motte the starter, since we're going to lose anyway.

Tony's ego is apparently now showing the symptoms of sunstroke as well.

DAMN YOU, GLOBAL WARMING!!!!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 03, 2010, 07:03:55 PM
Freese out for the season, per Mo.  And now it's too late to do anything about it.  Miles is worthless, and Lopez isn't spectacular. 

Ugh.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 03, 2010, 07:38:15 PM
Freese out for the season, per Mo.  And now it's too late to do anything about it.  Miles is worthless, and Lopez isn't spectacular.  

Ugh.

Don't be surprised if they pull out a great trade in August.  Some of their best have come during this month.

...and right on cue, Miles throws it into RF....my turn to say UGH.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 03, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
You know things have gone horribly wrong when Dennys Reyes is batting. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 03, 2010, 10:24:58 PM
Dammit.  I give up on this team....until tomorrow.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 03, 2010, 10:26:41 PM
Don't give up yet!   Aaron Miles is now pitching. 

Seriously. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 03, 2010, 10:33:53 PM
Holy shit.  Miles just had a 10 pitch inning.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shermy on August 04, 2010, 01:22:02 AM
If the Stros could play the Cardinals every game they would never lose.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hognarok on August 04, 2010, 08:06:23 AM
Holy aMm.  Miles just had a 10 pitch inning.

I missed this.  Did he by chance hurt himself throwing ala Lopez earlier this season?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 04, 2010, 08:14:06 PM
Dan needs to be fired and bring Don King in for the PBP.   :stunned:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 04, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
Why's that? I'm drunk at bww and can't hear it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 04, 2010, 10:36:32 PM
Dan needs to be fired and bring Don King in for the PBP.   :stunned:

I missed the game, but I'm guessing they had Don King in the booth at some point promoting this Saturday's boxing match in St. Louis?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 04, 2010, 10:45:49 PM
I missed the game, but I'm guessing they had Don King in the booth at some point promoting this Saturday's boxing match in St. Louis?

only about 15 times in 5 minutes. he used words not yet seen by Webster to describe the PBP and made some inflamatory comments about houston.  also introduced Al with some racial epithets if he were on the card for saturday.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 04, 2010, 11:18:50 PM
Meanwhile Pujols is making his triple crown move.

was 3-4 HR 3 RBIs
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 04, 2010, 11:32:27 PM
Meanwhile Pujols is making his triple crown move.

was 3-4 HR 3 RBIs

And now only seven HR's away from his career 400th.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 07, 2010, 11:09:30 AM
Pretty good night last night.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 07, 2010, 03:20:13 PM
Pretty good night last night.

Second consecutive 3 run homer, multible hit night.  I think that's 4 HR's in the last 5 games.  A solid week, he's raised his avg. ten points, which is kind of hard to do when you have over 400 ABs'.

A week ago, triple crown talk seemed silly.  Today, he leads the league in RBI's, is second (by 2) in HR's.  For batting average, there are a jillion people with a least 200 AB's ahead of him, including two at .341.  But, if you only look st those with 350+ AB's, there are only five ahead of him, with the best avg. being .322 (Votto of the Reds).

I have no idea the rule about where the line is drawn.  Anybody know?   2.5 AB's x 162 games would be 405 AB's.  

For Albert to catch all those guys, he'll need a few more weeks like this one.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 07, 2010, 03:38:52 PM

I have no idea the rule about where the line is drawn.  Anybody know?  


502 plate appearances, so as not to penalize taking walks.

It's 3.1 PA's per scheduled game.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 08, 2010, 02:32:04 PM
Second consecutive 3 run homer, multible hit night.  I think that's 4 HR's in the last 5 games.  A solid week, he's raised his avg. ten points, which is kind of hard to do when you have over 400 ABs'.

A week ago, triple crown talk seemed silly.  Today, he leads the league in RBI's, is second (by 2) in HR's.  For batting average, there are a jillion people with a least 200 AB's ahead of him, including two at .341.  But, if you only look st those with 350+ AB's, there are only five ahead of him, with the best avg. being .322 (Votto of the Reds).

I have no idea the rule about where the line is drawn.  Anybody know?   2.5 AB's x 162 games would be 405 AB's.  

For Albert to catch all those guys, he'll need a few more weeks like this one.


This looks like a year where all he needs to do now is concentrate on his average.  Isn't he leading in HR and RBI now?  I figure he needs a 41 HR 128 RBI season.

And .325 should win it for him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 08, 2010, 02:35:00 PM
10 points in BA behind and 1 HR behind.

Triple crown this year and we can put this thread to rest, as it will be proven he's the greatest of all-time.   O0


And as far as being a nice person, he's like Musial without the smoking habit.  By the way, for those interested, there was an awesome article on Stan the Man in the latest "Where are they now" SI that came out last week.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: likeupthisramp on August 09, 2010, 09:26:21 AM
502 plate appearances, so as not to penalize taking walks.

It's 3.1 PA's per scheduled game.

I didn't realize that the number was that high.  If you miss a month with an injury, you may not qualify.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Jar2 on August 10, 2010, 07:05:02 PM
Benches clear as Phillips comes to the plate for his first AB in response to calling the Cardinals "little bitches" in a post game interview last night.

Sorry about the piss poor grammar.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2010, 07:27:08 PM
Mo Lin A ain't nuttin to fuck with.
After Carp killed someone with a trident in that brawl, Molina cranks one and had more shit to say to Phillips.
Awesome shit.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2010, 07:35:33 PM
They just found Carpenter's wallet behind home plate:
(http://badmofowallets.com/wallets/tan1.JPG)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 10, 2010, 07:45:26 PM
I don't think I have ever seen a better example of unintentional irony than Brendan Phillips.

Calls the Cardinals little bitches, then taps Molina's shinguards with his bat.  Molina stands up to tell him they aren't cool like that, and Phillips taps him AGAIN...as he's walking away back to the on deck circle.

What a fucking chode.  This entire team (minus the ex-Cardinals) and their clueless fans can get fucked.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 10, 2010, 07:47:44 PM
It's up on the site now.
I thought Rolen and Carp were going at it, but he was clearly pulling Carp away and trying to calm him down too. Class guy.


Baker is a douche-extraordinaire. Dropping f-bombs left and right on drive-by to random players. Cueto somehow avoids ejection kicking off the screen like a pussy.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 10, 2010, 07:48:58 PM
Cueto somehow avoids ejection kicking off the screen like a pussy.

He won't avoid suspension.  Of course, he'll get suspended for 5 games and Ol' Dusty will just push his start back a day, so it won't matter.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 10, 2010, 09:43:30 PM
Cards win again, lock up the series win, and quickly even out the division lead.

LaRussa handled himself well as did Molina and Rolen (I was really proud of him).  Captain Toothpick...different team, same shit.  He'll run that pitching staff into the ground as well.

And who's Brandon Phillips?  Oh, that's right - a nobody hoping to be remembered.  Here's to hoping somebody throws at his head and gives him a Chucky Mullins.  Cheap fucker.  Enjoy October at home, bitch.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: shithead on August 10, 2010, 09:43:44 PM
I don't think I have ever seen a better example of unintentional irony than Brendan Phillips.

Calls the Cardinals little bitches, then taps Molina's shinguards with his bat.  Molina stands up to tell him they aren't cool like that, and Phillips taps him AGAIN...as he's walking away back to the on deck circle.

What a fricking chode.  This entire team (minus the ex-Cardinals) and their clueless fans can get fricked.

As much as I hate the Cards (and I do hate the frick outta them) my hope is that they apply a federal pound-me-in-the-ass style raping of the Reds down the stretch. frick Phillips, frick Votto, frick Volquez, frick Bronson Fuckin Arroyo and his gay leg kick, and frick Dusty Motherfuckin Baker threve times in da mouf. In fact, I hope the Cards apply an ass-whipping to my Cubs this weekend to drive the Reds further behind in the central.

This may be the only common ground I have with the Redbirds.

Hallelujah...

Holy aMm.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_SuuAlYTDlOk/SVJtNFz_6GI/AAAAAAAAAbY/RFO5lzjE0fU/s400/chase.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 10, 2010, 10:15:35 PM
As much as I hate the Cards (and I do hate the frick outta them) my hope is that they apply a federal pound-me-in-the-ass style raping of the Reds down the stretch. frick Phillips, frick Votto, frick Volquez, frick Bronson Fuckin Arroyo and his gay leg kick, and frick Dusty Motherfuckin Baker threve times in da mouf. In fact, I hope the Cards apply an ass-whipping to my Cubs this weekend to drive the Reds further behind in the central.

This may be the only common ground I have with the Redbirds.

Hallelujah...

Holy aMm.


See?  As much animosity as there is between the Cardinals and the Cubbies, at least both sides know how to properly carry on a rivalry - with intensity, but with ample dignity.  The Reds are just trying WAY TOO FUCKING HARD.  It smacks of a) desperation to try to rattle a superior opponent, b) a massive inferiority complex, and c) a team that hasn't won shit since God-knows-when and has completely forgotten how to act.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 10, 2010, 10:21:44 PM
See?  As much animosity as there is between the Cardinals and the Cubbies, at least both sides know how to properly carry on a rivalry - with intensity, but with ample dignity.  The Reds are just trying WAY TOO fricking HARD.  It smacks of a) desperation to try to rattle a superior opponent, b) a massive inferiority complex, and c) a team that hasn't won aMm since God-knows-win and has completely forgotten how to act.

Agree.  Can't stand the Cubs AT ALL, but let's face it, there's really only one rivalry in that division.  The rest (including the Astros) wish they had a rivalry, but they just don't - there's a lot of history in the Cards-Cubs.

As for the Reds, they don't know how to act.  They've never been in this position before.

I've got $100 that Phillips has gotten a verbal beatdown in his own clubhouse and possibly a fracas.  Plus, he may have just woke the sleeping giant.  The Cards will be playing with some major heart from here on out.  For you bettors, ride the Redbirds even with the large chalk.  Remember:  there's no juice on winners.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2010, 08:59:55 AM
Word is that LaRue may be headed to the DL with a concussion and facial lacerations from one of the Cueto kicks.

I think Molina was yapping at Phillips when Phillips tap his shins which is when Yadi really let him have it.

Phillips takes his AB like a man, none of this happens.



Really wish Carp could have kicked Baker's ass. Classless to the bone.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on August 11, 2010, 09:10:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXHVQ7-d1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diXHVQ7-d1g)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: likeupthisramp on August 11, 2010, 09:17:33 AM
It's up on the site now.
I thought Rolen and Carp were going at it, but he was clearly pulling Carp away and trying to calm him down too. Class guy.


Baker is a douche-extraordinaire. Dropping f-bombs left and right on drive-by to random players. Cueto somehow avoids ejection kicking off the screen like a puthy.

"Dusty Baker is a great manager and really helped our careers."

Signed:  Mark Prior & Kerry Wood
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 11, 2010, 09:25:21 AM
The post-game interviews were pretty entertaining last night.  Yadi basically said, "I know what he said about me and my teammates, and he acts like nothing happened by trying to say hi to me?  That's stupid.  We're not friends." 

Carpenter- "I was in the (backstop) net with somebody kicking me from behind," Carpenter said, "... I was held down. I couldn't do anything. I wasn't throwing any punches. And we've got some guy kicking me and kicking my backup catcher in the face. He could have done some real damage. He got (LaRue) on the side of the eye, got him in his nose, got him in his face. Totally unprofessional. Unbelievable. I've never seen anything like that. I don't know where he learned to fight."

Yadi's HR in the 2nd inning might be the highlight of the year.  That was awesome.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 11, 2010, 09:32:32 AM
The post-game interviews were pretty entertaining last night.  Yadi basically said, "I know what he said about me and my teammates, and he acts like nothing happened by trying to say hi to me?  That's stupid.  We're not friends." 

Carpenter- "I was in the (backstop) net with somebody kicking me from behind," Carpenter said, "... I was held down. I couldn't do anything. I wasn't throwing any punches. And we've got some guy kicking me and kicking my backup catcher in the face. He could have done some real damage. He got (LaRue) on the side of the eye, got him in his nose, got him in his face. Totally unprofessional. Unbelievable. I've never seen anything like that. I don't know where he learned to fight."

Yadi's HR in the 2nd inning might be the highlight of the year.  That was awesome.

Al and Dan were going nuts about the whole kicking.  Yes, it isn't real kosher, but when your upper body is being pinned to the screen and you have no means of getting out, the feet will do the trick.  It's not like he was out there going all Bruce Lee on people. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 11, 2010, 09:39:30 AM
Al and Dan were going nuts about the whole kicking.  Yes, it isn't real kosher, but when your upper body is being pinned to the screen and you have no means of getting out, the feet will do the trick.  It's not like he was out there going all Bruce Lee on people. 

I know what you're saying, but you're wrong.  Yes, he was pinned, but NO ONE was throwing punches.  Hell, you could actually say that everyone in that pile was pinned as you couldn't move at all.  Besides, anyone that's ever been on the wrong end of baseball spikes knows that is not a good place to be, at all.  Cueto is a bleeding gash that deserves a bat taken to his pitching arm.  That would only be fitting.

Rolen, I was proud of.  Was very calm then something got to him and his temper flared, charged, and quickly regathered his composure before anything could happen.  Not sure I could've done the same thing in the heat of the moment.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 11, 2010, 12:31:31 PM
I know what you're saying, but you're wrong.  Yes, he was pinned, but NO ONE was throwing punches.  Hell, you could actually say that everyone in that pile was pinned as you couldn't move at all.  Besides, anyone that's ever been on the wrong end of baseball spikes knows that is not a good place to be, at all.  Cueto is a bleeding gash that deserves a bat taken to his pitching arm.  That would only be fitting.

Rolen, I was proud of.  Was very calm then something got to him and his temper flared, charged, and quickly regathered his composure before anything could happen.  Not sure I could've done the same thing in the heat of the moment.

Agree with all of this.  I didn't see much of Jimmy Baseball in the fight, but the little bit I did see I'm pretty sure he was trying to break people up.  Funny how the ex-Cards were the only Reds to conduct themselves with any class whatsoever.

Cueto smokes pole.  That's really all that needs to be said about that.

And I don't believe Yadi said a word to Phillips until Phillips tapped him.  Then I'm pretty sure Yadi told him something along the lines of, "We aren't cool like that," at which point Phillips tapped him AGAIN...as he was walking away.

Completely and utterly classless.  And the fans were no better.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2010, 12:56:21 PM
Phillips always taps the ump and catcher when he steps in, but after what he said I think Yadi just told him that wasn't cool.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: jmcwill04 on August 11, 2010, 01:03:34 PM
grand slam for rasmus, cards up 4-0  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2010, 01:10:14 PM
Colby falls behind 0-2, battles back to fill up the count, then jacks one deep to center.

Cards up 4-0 with Wainwright on the mound. You may as well book it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on August 11, 2010, 01:11:41 PM
Phillips always taps the ump and catcher when he steps in, but after what he said I think Yadi just told him that wasn't cool.

...at which point Phillips tapped him AGAIN, as he slunk away like a "little bitch."


Cards up 4-0 with Wainwright on the mound. You may as well book it.

A.  You jinxing-ass sonufabitch.
B.  Have you SEEN the Cards' bullpen this season?  Unless Waino goes CG, no lead is safe.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 11, 2010, 01:11:53 PM
Colby with a nice grand slam. 4-0 Cards in the fifth

I''ll RMPL
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2010, 01:14:19 PM
...at which point Phillips tapped him AGAIN, as he slunk away like a "little bitch."


A.  You jinxing-ass sonufabitch.
B.  Have you SEEN the Cards' bullpen this season?  Unless Waino goes CG, no lead is safe.

Bullpen hasn't been as bad as everyone thinks, Wainwright is going to go deep in the game; 74 pitches through 5.
Arroyo is already out. I'll chance the jinx.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 11, 2010, 01:34:40 PM
Dan and Al need to shut up about yesterday.  I caught part of the game at lunch and I don't think they managed to talk about the actual game in front of them. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 11, 2010, 01:38:06 PM
Dan and Al need to shut up about yesterday.  I caught part of the game at lunch and I don't think they managed to talk about the actual game in front of them. 
Consider yourself lucky.

MLB Extra innings on comcast is giving me the Reds feed. You'd think Dusty is a mercenary
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 11, 2010, 02:42:16 PM
Rain Delay after 7. Still going...

Wainwright is surely done, ERA at 1.99. Win count in line to increase to 17.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 11, 2010, 03:58:06 PM
Rain Delay after 7. Still going...

Wainwright is surely done, ERA at 1.99. Win count in line to increase to 17.

6-1 Final.  Break out the brooms.  We have a new NL Central leader.  I'm wondering if Wainwright said, "How's my ass taste!?" after striking out Phillips.

Quote from: ESPN.com
The brawl centered on Reds second baseman Brandon Phillips, who said at the start of the series that he hates the Cardinals. He also called them complainers, using demeaning language that riled St. Louis.

When he came to bat in the first inning Tuesday night, he tapped catcher Yadier Molina's shin guard with his bat in a sign of friendship. Molina mentioned Phillips' comments and told him not to touch him. It quickly escalated into shouting, and both benches and bullpens emptied.

Cardinals pitcher Chris Carpenter ended up pinned against the backstop screen. Cueto also was pinned against the backstop nearby and kicked players around him. He later said he was afraid and trying to defend himself.

Major League Baseball will watch video of the fight and get a report from the umpiring crew before deciding any punishment. Reds manager Dusty Baker said there was more to it than the video might show.

"I just hope the guys up there realize the tension, the pressure, the background," Baker said. "Also, you can't just go on the video because you don't know what was said. ... That thing was over until some people started talking."

Baker said it was premature to think about possible discipline.

"It's like asking when you're going to jail and you haven't gone to court yet," Baker said.

Cueto was afraid?  What a little bitch.

And Baker can eat a dick.  He should be suspended because he did nothing but escalate it.  Guess he forgot he was the manager and is ultimately responsible for the behavior of his team.  Instead, he throws f-bombs at the other team's best pitcher and a Cy Young award winner.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 11, 2010, 04:03:19 PM
6-1 Final.  Break out the brooms.  We have a new NL Central leader.  I'm wondering if Wainwright said, "How's my ass taste!?" after striking out Phillips.

Cueto was afraid?  What a little bitch.

And Baker can eat a dick.  He should be suspended because he did nothing but escalate it.  Guess he forgot he was the manager and is ultimately responsible for the behavior of his team.  Instead, he throws f-bombs at the other team's best pitcher and a Cy Young award winner.

Baker contends that Oquendo was the one who started the second shitstorm.  said he came in there cussing at him, then he responded and then TL went apeshit without hearing thefirst part.  of course this was all said with toothpick in mouth
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 11, 2010, 04:14:23 PM
Baker contends that Oquendo was the one who started the second shitstorm.  said he came in there cussing at him, then he responded and then TL went apeshit without hearing thefirst part.  of course this was all said with toothpick in mouth

Didn't see/hear that.  That's rich.  Cameras are all over Baker aggressively dropping f-bombs to both players and coaches. No other coach, but yet Baker is the instigator. TL could've (and most likely) was enraged, but he showed control.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Oquendo said something.  In fact, I'd be disappointed if he didn't.  It was probably along the lines of "get control of your fucking team".  I think everybody is floored that not only did Phillips say those things, but obviously wasn't disciplined enough internally because he thought he could rub it in Molina's face and get away with it.  Now, they got swept and have the division's best team so royally pissed that they want to not only beat them, but bury them.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 11, 2010, 04:23:53 PM
grand slam for rasmus, cards up 4-0  :thumbup:

Today also happens to be Colby's birthday.   :beer:

Well that was fun!  You couldn't have asked for a better series considering the circumstances.  Hopefully it carries over against the Cubs this weekend.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 11, 2010, 05:50:43 PM
Lost in all the excitement, especially for those not seeing the game, are Pujols' two scoring plays yesterday.  On the first one he ran through Jose's stop sign bigtime like he was daring them to block the plate so he could hurt somebody.  His slide was so hard and so bad that he looked like he nearly snapped his foot off.  On he other he scored from first on a ground ball through the hole to left.  When they cut the throw trying to throw out the batter at second, he never broke stride and rounded third and scored. 

On both plays the Red defensive player holding the ball freaked out and sailed the ball ten feet high and wide.

They say one thing Pujols really learned from Rollen and Edmunds was how to run bases and how you don't have to be fast if you are smart and aggressive.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on August 11, 2010, 08:32:34 PM
They say one thing Pujols really learned from Rollen and Edmunds was how to run bases and how you don't have to be fast if you are smart and aggressive.

I wonder what Rolen and Edmonds taught him?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 11, 2010, 08:36:06 PM
I wonder what Rolen and Edmonds taught him?

To move his ass around the bases!  They were always on his heels in the 4th and 5th spots, respectively.

Seriously, though.  They are known as two of the best runners of all-times.  Big Mac? Not so much.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 11, 2010, 09:01:52 PM
....

Seriously, though.  They are known as two of the best runners of all-times.  .....

Coach Elvis may disagree but I think going from first to third is largly a function of how quickly a runner can recognize whether a ball will be caught on the fly and, if not, where and when the fielder and ball will intersect.  It's judging angles and speed in three demensions and some are just a lot better at that than others, regardless of speed.  I guess they're born with it.  I don't think it's a coincidence that Edmonds has always played really shallow compared to other big leaguers because he knows exactly where flyballs behind him will end up and what his margin for error is.

 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on August 11, 2010, 11:07:14 PM
Coach Elvis may disagree but I think going from first to third is largly a function of how quickly a runner can recognize whether a ball will be caught on the fly and, if not, where and when the fielder and ball will intersect.  It's judging angles and speed in three demensions and some are just a lot better at that than others, regardless of speed.  I guess they're born with it.  I don't think it's a coincidence that Edmonds has always played really shallow compared to other big leaguers because he knows exactly where flyballs behind him will end up and what his margin for error is.

 

I would agree with everything you just said - its a gift, but its also a lot of hard work.  You rarely see either one make even one wrong step and in baserunning, many times one step gets you three.  Edmonds is one of those rare breeds in my opinion.  You always knew him as a GG fielder and a huge bat, but if you've ever met the guy, he's one of those you say "I thought he'd be bigger."  Pretty small guy in stature, but obviously plays big.

Rolen, on the other hand, is a friggin monster.  His shoulders seem as wide as a coffee table, but yet is one of the "fastest" on the basepaths.

I think its also no coincidence that both are multi-GGers, either.  I still miss watching both of them wearing the birds on the bat.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 12, 2010, 01:49:18 PM
suspensions and fines announced

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5458170 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5458170)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 15, 2010, 08:25:18 PM
With his home run today, he is the 1st player to ever hit 30 or more home runs in each of his first 10 seasons. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on August 16, 2010, 09:43:03 AM
They showed a chart the other night where Pujols had reached a milestone in three different categories. The other two players on the list were Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth, pretty good company there.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 16, 2010, 01:38:22 PM
396 home runs through 10 seasons. Arod had 345 through his first 10 seasons and 604 currently.  Think AP has a shot at Bonds/Arod?  All depends on that elbow I think.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 23, 2010, 06:49:02 PM
Pujols with 3 run HR in the top of the first at Pittsburg.  399 carear, 33 this season with 92 RBI's and avg. is now 317.

He may get 400 before I can get in front of a TV.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 23, 2010, 07:22:10 PM
Pujols with 3 run HR in the top of the first at Pittsburg.  399 carear, 33 this season with 92 RBI's and avg. is now 317.

He may get 400 before I can get in front of a TV.

Uh, oh.  .317?  He's getting close.  .325 and he'll win the triple crown.   :thumbup:

They showed a chart the other night where Pujols had reached a milestone in three different categories. The other two players on the list were Lou Gehrig and Babe Ruth, pretty good company there.

Is he in pretty good company, or are they?   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 23, 2010, 09:13:53 PM
Anybody know what happened during Craig's at bat in the 9th?  I swear he just took 1st base on ball 3.  Dan and Al had no idea what the fuck was going on either, although that isn't really unusual.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 25, 2010, 05:17:59 PM
So .325, 40 and 120 will win it?

Is that a little below normal for RBIs?  I haven't religiously followed baseball in over 20 years when I used to be the type who could name the starting lineups of every team.
 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Snorts on August 26, 2010, 09:33:13 AM
Just read a book called "The Year Babe Ruth Hit 104 Home Runs:  Recrowning Baseball's Greatest Slugger" by Bill Jenkinson.

It is an exhaustive study of Babe's 1921 season, probably the greatest year a batter ever had.  Some points:

A ball hit out of the park in 1921 was ruled a foul based upon where it landed, not where it went out.  Now, Ruth did not hit that many shots down the line, most were to either power alley or center field, so this did not rob him of too many HRs that year.  Jenkinson thinks about 15.  BTW, almost every shot Ruth ever hit, fair or foul, caught or not, was documented by several newspapers.  It is easy to chart, and there is a lot of evidence to do so.  One story though, Ruth hit one out of the entire ballpark, but the Umpire was able to see where it landed through the bleachers.  It eventually curved foul, so a tremendous 500 foot blast was just a foul ball.

Ball parks in 1921 were cavernous compared to today.  The foul lines were closer, probably, but the power alleys and center field were astonishingly far away.  As noted earlier, Ruth hit to these areas for most of his long balls.  Jenkinson contends that 30-40 shots Ruth hit that year that would have been tape measure 450-500 foot meteors were simply caught by fielders stationing themselves 450 feet from the plate.  The Yankees played in the Polo Grounds that year, sharing it with the Giants, and center field was over 500 feet from home plate.

Jenkinson goes into things in depth, and also discusses the usual things people like to bring up to try to knock Ruth down to size.  You know, no night games, no non-white ball players, no coast to coast travel, all that.  jenkinson basically says that there were things Ruth dealt with that sort of evened things out.  For example, no air conditioning, all night commuter train travel, and the spitball.  The Yankees also played exibition games on their days off, which was something I was not aware of.  All open for discussion, of course.

One thing I was struck by....the Black ballplayers all had GREAT respect for Ruth, and not only because he was a good player.  They also loved the fact that he would even play them in exibitions, which he did all the time.  Not a common thing at all by white ballplayers back then, let alone the most famous person in America.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 26, 2010, 04:25:21 PM
Look, everyone knows that Ruth is the 2nd best player of all time, and will always be.   O0



Pujols, on the other hand, is amazing.  But what's more amazing is the fact that he and Votto are going neck-to-neck with this triple crown thing.  In any other year, Votto would be getting a lot of attention. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: shithead on August 26, 2010, 05:15:01 PM
But what's more amazing is the fact that he and Votto are going neck-to-neck with this triple crown thing.  In any other year, Votto would be getting a lot of attention. 

I was thinking this exact same thought last night. I saw his numbers side-by-side with Pujols and it blew me away. And NOBODY is talking about him. I knew he was having a damn good year, but didn't realize it was THAT good.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 26, 2010, 07:02:44 PM
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PoloGrounds_1917.JPG)

Here's a pic of the Polo Grounds in 1917.  Well, maybe not.  It you could see, you'd notice a "second foul pole" at the top of the bleachers down the left field line.  Ruth supposed ly lost 50-70 homers due to the rule the ball had to either land on the "fair" side of the rope or, is disappearing behind the wall, had to be "fair when last seen."

Also, as late as 1949, well after he retired, a ball hitting the foul poll (which is fair) but landing on the foul side of the pole in the stands was a double instead of a homer.  No record that Ruth ever lost a homer that way.

He also lost a homer in 1920 when the had the old walk-off rule.  Surviving to this day is the rule that the batter in the bottom of the 9th or extra innings only gets credit for as many bases as necessary to force in the winning run.  So if the bases are loaded and you need one to win, you are only going to get a single.  It used to be no different for homers.  Bases loaded, you need one and homer, it was counted as a single.  If you needed two, it was counted as a double.  Probably a holdover from the days when there were no outfield bleachers or they were very far away.  Now there is an exception for homers.

HOWEVER, Ruth also gained a few from older rules.  He probably got about six extra carear homers due to the rule, changed in the AL after the 1928 season, that said balls bouncing over th outfield fence were homers.

And to be fair, sure he lost homers to cavernous center fields and power alleys.  But the right field porch in Yankee Stadium was 295 when it opened and the foul pole down right field at the Polo Grounds was 258.  Surely that helped a little.

(http://www.ballparksofbaseball.com/past/poloin08901.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 26, 2010, 07:06:02 PM
He just hit #400 and is the 3rd youngest player ever to do so.   :thumbup:   :beer:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 27, 2010, 01:35:16 AM
ummm...  that is not a "second foul pole" at polo there. That is a flag pole. Check the base line.
I like old baseball shit like this, but quit throwing your own conjecture in half of it and treating it as fact.

No offense, just saying.





[and yes I see the actual "broken link" pic with the rope. There's no "second foul pole" there. They never really existed because they would've been almost pointless...]

As insane as that sounds to us now, it's how it was. Once we had the ability to throw up random 80 ft poles of steel right there in the stands, it all became pointless. Ruth was awesome, no one will ever deny that, but he wouldn't hit half as many homers in today's game. He was known to be lazy and easily influenced by vices off the field. Would never survive today's game. He'd be nothing more than a Russ Branyan... IF he were the same "written about" character that he has been portrayed to be.

Just like Michael Jordan eventually started progressing in the minors... I'd imagine Ruth would adjust and start killing motherfuckers, for the hell of it at least.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 27, 2010, 05:56:38 AM
There was a big cover article (sports page) on Votto in USA Today this week and he's on the cover of Sports Illustrated.  I'd say people are starting to figure it out.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on August 27, 2010, 06:35:25 AM
The question on Votto will be whether this is the only year he does it.

For 8 or 9 years now (took a year or two to figure it out) the question of who the best player in the league is has boiled down to Albert and some other guy.  "Some other guy" keeps changing.

Of course, Miguel Cabrera moved to the other league.  He's been doing it awhile too.  Check his stats - 31/102/.342

Now that I checked his stats, there could be a Triple Crown winner in the NL and a guy with better stats in all 3 categories in the AL who doesn't win one.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Snorts on August 27, 2010, 09:12:38 AM
ummm...  that is not a "second foul pole" at polo there. That is a flag pole. Check the base line.
I like old baseball shit like this, but quit throwing your own conjecture in half of it and treating it as fact.

No offense, just saying.





[and yes I see the actual "broken link" pic with the rope. There's no "second foul pole" there. They never really existed because they would've been almost pointless...]

As insane as that sounds to us now, it's how it was. Once we had the ability to throw up random 80 ft poles of steel right there in the stands, it all became pointless. Ruth was awesome, no one will ever deny that, but he wouldn't hit half as many homers in today's game. He was known to be lazy and easily influenced by vices off the field. Would never survive today's game. He'd be nothing more than a Russ Branyan... IF he were the same "written about" character that he has been portrayed to be.

Just like Michael Jordan eventually started progressing in the minors... I'd imagine Ruth would adjust and start killing motherfuckers, for the hell of it at least.

Nice conjecture there.  Not sure what you base that on, perhaps the pitching is better today or something?  Black outfielders jump higher maybe?  Strike zone bigger today, oh wait.  Never mind on that one, it is HALF the size of Ruth's time.

As stated, Ruth did not benefit much from the close lines, the net effect of playing in the Polo Grounds AND yankee Stadium was a LOT of 450 plus blasts just being outs, many many more than 300 foot homers down the lines.

And the idea Ruth would have been less hardy today is crap.  The man's career was shortened due to the lack of knowledge available to trainers and coaches back then. 

There is a documented 600 foot blast by Ruth.  To think that a guy that hit balls 450 feet on a routine basis, balls that may have been in play for several innings and mushy, perhaps black from spit and licorice, would hit FEWER HR's in todays game, with center fields SO much closer, power alleys SO much closer, is wishful thinking in the extreme.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on August 27, 2010, 09:41:20 AM

There is a documented 600 foot blast by Ruth.  To think that a guy that hit balls 450 feet on a routine basis, balls that may have been in play for several innings and mushy, perhaps black from spit and licorice, would hit FEWER HR's in todays game, with center fields SO much closer, power alleys SO much closer, is wishful thinking in the extreme.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml)

It should be noted that those regular references over the years to 500- and 600-foot home runs were born out of scientific ignorance, misinformation, or even deliberate exaggeration. The most common cause for overstatement has been the basic misconception about the flight of a batted ball once it has reached its apex. Seeing great drives land atop distant upper-deck roof, sportswriters observing the occurrence from a press box would resort to their limited skills in mathematics without any regard for the laws of physics. Perhaps the ball had already flown over 400 feet, whereupon it was interrupted in midflight at a height of 70 feet above field level. Awed by such a demonstration of power, the writers would then describe the event for posterity as a 500-and-some-foot home run. With the guidance of our scientific brethren, we know that once a batted ball has reached its highest point and lost most of its velocity, it falls in a rapidly declining trajectory. The aforementioned fictional home run could have been reported at 550 feet in a prominent newspaper, and re-created at that length by historians for years thereafter, when in fact it traveled about 100 feet less. Hyperbole has always been part of the phenomenon of long-distance home runs, and this factor must also be considered.

         Not surprisingly, all of the great true distance hitters have also been the source of the greatest exaggerations. Despite his extraordinary accomplishments, Babe Ruth is not immune. His tremendous blow to right-center field in Detroit on June 8, 1926, has often been reported as traveling over 600 feet. Certainly, this drive was propelled somewhere around 500 feet in the air, which makes it legitimately historic, but proof that it traveled 600 feet cannot be found.

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 27, 2010, 09:44:50 AM
It's a completely different game now. Relief pitching was almost unheard of then, now its specialized to specific matchups. Video is used by pitchers to break down.every single hitter they will face. Velocity is way up.



Plus I was drunk when I typed all of that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Snorts on August 27, 2010, 09:53:46 AM
Hey Guiness, thanks.  In the above book, the author interviewed some people that saw the blast, and pointed out where it landed.  The park is still there, BTW.  There is a pretty cool diagram etc, the blast is documented as well as one could be without video of it.

I agree that relief pitching is the big difference between then and now.  These discussions are always fun, too.

I really do recommend the book for everyone.  The author goes into great depth about what we are discussing here, the differences between eras, and it is very interestig, whether you agree or not.  He basically says....yes yes, there are things that Ruth didn't have to deal with, and things Pujols doesn't have to deal with the Ruth did.  He says it ends up a wash.

In truth, I think hitting a pitched ball today may be slightly more difficult, but only slightly.  The closing down of the strike zone is the big equalizer.  Ruth dealt with one almost twice the size of today's.

What really opened my eyes was the tremendous numbers of 450 foot + balls Ruth hit, on an almost routine basis, with 500 footers not rare for him.  Many of thses were simply fly outs.  The man had power that was incredible.  This can't be disputed.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on August 27, 2010, 10:01:53 AM
4th fastest to 400, 1st to do it within his first 10 seasons.

Hurt his knee last night.  Might hurt his Triple Crown chances.  :(
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on August 27, 2010, 10:02:58 AM
There was a big cover article (sports page) on Votto in USA Today this week and he's on the cover of Sports Illustrated.  I'd say people are starting to figure it out.

 :thumbup:  He should be done for any day now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on August 27, 2010, 10:46:57 AM
Hey Guiness, thanks.  In the above book, the author interviewed some people that saw the blast, and pointed out where it landed.  The park is still there, BTW.  There is a pretty cool diagram etc, the blast is documented as well as one could be without video of it.


Is the diagram at the park? I can't find it anywhere online. Furthest I can find online is another 'estimated' 575 ft. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-mantlehomer041708

There's all kinds of cool articles on historic baseball, how legends grow, hyperbole of statistics and where balls landed (my Dad fits this mold), and all things of baseball many moons ago. I need a good baseball book and a rainy day.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Snorts on August 27, 2010, 12:01:25 PM
Is the diagram at the park? I can't find it anywhere online. Furthest I can find online is another 'estimated' 575 ft. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-mantlehomer041708

There's all kinds of cool articles on historic baseball, how legends grow, hyperbole of statistics and where balls landed (my Dad fits this mold), and all things of baseball many moons ago. I need a good baseball book and a rainy day.

I have the book on my Android Kindle App.  You cannot expand diagrams, or not so I can tell.  So, all the cool pictures of stadiums and ball flights and landings are pretty small.  However, there is a diagram of the park and the landing spot of the shot in question.  All the size you would expect from a Droid screen, but it is there.

Before this gets out of hand, the blast came in an exibition game, not a regular season game.  BTW, I highly recommend the book.  It has some things in it I did not know, like on days off, the Yankees played exibition games.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on September 03, 2010, 01:53:57 PM
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/02/agree-or-disagree-at-least-albert-pujols-stands-for-something/?icid=main%7Chp-laptop%7Cdl7%7Csec3_lnk1%7C168304 (http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/02/agree-or-disagree-at-least-albert-pujols-stands-for-something/?icid=main%7Chp-laptop%7Cdl7%7Csec3_lnk1%7C168304)


Talks about Pujols' comments about the Arizona immigration law and his appearance at a Glenn Beck rally last week.  Interesting, to say the least.  Whatever your feelings on it, the last sentence definitely has merit.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on September 03, 2010, 03:35:12 PM
It's just a matter of time before this becomes "The annual Jason Heyward is the best player ever thread". :2bird:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on October 05, 2010, 05:37:51 PM
Albert's 2010 Season - What a down year, must have gotten off the juice   :D

.312 (worst of his career)
42 HR, 118 RBI
103 walks
.414 OBP (worst since '02)
.596 slugging (3rd worst of his career)
1.011 OPS (3rd worst of his career)
76 K's (most since rookie season)
183 hits (2nd lowest of his career)
.998 fielding percentage   :stunned:

Players with 5 or 6 of these "down" years over a 15 year career make the hall of fame.  Players with 10 in a row are called the best ever.

By the way, he's only 30, or at least his Dominican certificate says that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on October 05, 2010, 10:52:10 PM
I'm hoping he ets another MVP. I wouldn't blow up a building or anything if Gonzalez won.

But, being the league leader in homers and RBI's and tied for 5th in BA ought to be good enough (not to mention being a very good defensive first baseman.  Here's some odd stats I noticed.  they had the exact same number of AB's: 587.  Gonzalez struck out 59 more times than Pujols (135 to 76), which is weird for someone who hits for average. Pujols got 63 more walks (103 to 40). 

But the weirdest stat is the team having a winning record against play-off teams and a losing record against teams with losing records.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on October 06, 2010, 07:51:03 AM
But the weirdest stat is the team having a winning record against play-off teams and a losing record against teams with losing records.

which is particularly unfortunate when you play in the crappiest division in baseball
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on October 06, 2010, 08:57:15 PM
Had his 16 million option picked up for 2011

ST. LOUIS -- The St. Louis Cardinals have exercised a $16 million club option for 2011 with three-time NL MVP Albert Pujols.

The Cardinals also announced Wednesday that left-handed reliever Trever Miller had met a vesting option at $2 million for next season.

The 30-year-old Pujols led the National League with 42 home runs, won his first league RBI title with 118 and tied Matt Holliday for the team batting lead at .312.

Pujols topped 400 homers last season and set a franchise record with his 39th career multihomer game.

The Cardinals were expected all along to pick up the option on Pujols' contract. The team has said there's no specific timetable for beginning negotiations on a new long-term deal with Pujols, who can be a free agent after next season.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on December 03, 2010, 12:00:38 PM
Ron Santo has been called up to play 3rd base for the Lord.  Dang it.

# 1 Cub fan.  Huge fan of Albert Pujols.  Very appropriate to post this here instead of the Dead Pool thread.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-ron-santo-chicago-cubs-obit,0,1699814.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-ron-santo-chicago-cubs-obit,0,1699814.story)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on December 03, 2010, 05:14:33 PM
Ron Santo has been called up to play 3rd base for the Lord.  Dang it.

# 1 Cub fan.  Huge fan of Albert Pujols.  Very appropriate to post this here instead of the Dead Pool thread.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-ron-santo-chicago-cubs-obit,0,1699814.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-ron-santo-chicago-cubs-obit,0,1699814.story)
Going into Wrigley with my dad and my brothers we saw Ron Santo and said hey Ron!  How's it goin'?  He didn't just wave he stopped and said a few words to us.  Even though I was going to root for the Cards I was impressed at how congenial he was.  He was very hobbled and that was probably 10 or 12 years ago.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on December 04, 2010, 04:17:38 PM
Just saw that the Cardinals have signed Lance Berkman to a 1 year deal.  Guess I missed the memo about the NL adopting the DH rule.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on December 04, 2010, 05:20:21 PM
Just saw that the Cardinals have signed Lance Berkman to a 1 year deal.  Guess I missed the memo about the NL adopting the DH rule.

8 million seems a little excessive.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on December 04, 2010, 05:27:40 PM
He's going to play LF. Holliday to RF.

Wait until John Jay takes over in CF when TLR ships off Rasmus.

Fat Elvis, Cup Check and a Supreme Court Justice making up the worst defensive OF ever.
At least we'll have the worst defensive 2b in the game batting ninth, just because we want his bat in the lineup.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on December 05, 2010, 12:42:27 PM
He's going to play LF. Holliday to RF.

Wait until John Jay takes over in CF when TLR ships off Rasmus.

Fat Elvis, Cup Check and a Supreme Court Justice making up the worst defensive OF ever.
At least we'll have the worst defensive 2b in the game batting ninth, just because we want his bat in the lineup.
Hey I know I'm not a Cardinal fan and all, but common sense tells me that Pujols would make 100 times more sense in left field than Berkman there.  You basically trade the best first baseman in the game to put somebody who is adequate at first, and a guy who would probably when a gold glove playing left field if they switched, but putting Berkman in left field is in a nice word, retarded.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on December 05, 2010, 05:14:46 PM
Hey I know I'm not a Cardinal fan and all, but common sense tells me that Pujols would make 100 times more sense in left field than Berkman there.  You basically trade the best first baseman in the game to put somebody who is adequate at first, and a guy who would probably when a gold glove playing left field if they switched, but putting Berkman in left field is in a nice word, retarded.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Albert's elbow is a dumpsterfire. He'd have to roll the ball from the OF.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on December 05, 2010, 05:45:07 PM
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
Albert's elbow is a dumpsterfire. He'd have to roll the ball from the OF.
So he didn't have it surgically repaired?  Berkman's arm never particularly has impressed me, and he covers ground like Ed Asner. I'm not saying that Pujols needs to be the Cardinals leftfielder. I just think Pujols is more athletic. If his elbow hasn't been repaired, Berkman will do. Just doesn't sound like a good acquisition.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: shithead on December 05, 2010, 05:48:08 PM
Berkman's arm never particularly has impressed me, and he covers ground like Ed Asner.

This made me laugh out loud.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on December 09, 2010, 12:53:57 PM
Berkman's arm never particularly has impressed me, and he covers ground like Ed Asner.

That could be a compliment.  MTM said he used to be pretty quick chasing her around the desk.


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on January 05, 2011, 09:34:14 AM
Robbie Alomar gets in the hall of fame today. Possibly Blyleven. Interested to the see the totals for Palmeiro, Raines, Bagwell, and McGwire.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on January 05, 2011, 01:40:15 PM
Alomar and Blyleven make it.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on January 05, 2011, 04:04:55 PM
Since this has become the MLB thread.

I saw the rangers signed Adrian Beltre to a 6 years $96 million deal. Apparently, Michael Young will now play dh and be a super utility man. Just when I thought the Rangers had finally turned the corner they make a deal like this. Mother fucker won't do shit for the Rangers. he only performs when it's a contract year.  :suicide:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on January 05, 2011, 04:14:33 PM
Since this has become the MLB thread.

I saw the rangers signed Adrian Beltre to a 6 years $96 million deal. Apparently, Michael Young will now play dh and be a super utility man. Just when I thought the Rangers had finally turned the corner they make a deal like this. Mother fucker won't do shit for the Rangers. he only performs when it's a contract year.  :suicide:

Beltre is a fantasy owner's nightmare unless, you're right, he is in a contract year.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on February 16, 2011, 06:02:16 PM
Well. Fuck.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on February 16, 2011, 06:08:23 PM
http://www.albertcountdown.com/ (http://www.albertcountdown.com/)

http://vimeo.com/18831498 (http://vimeo.com/18831498)

Seriously though, this shit will buff out and he'll end up a Cardinal.   /denial
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ColdPork on February 16, 2011, 07:36:52 PM
He is going to look good wearing Cubbie Blue
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 3kgthog on February 16, 2011, 09:29:29 PM
Mozeliak won't pull this off when the season is over. He's been the worst GM the Cards have had in a long time. Stupid personnel decisions by the truckload. However, part of the blame lies with Pujols. How many millions does one guy need if he's happy where he is? Is $200+ million not enough? I hope he realizes the contract he wants is going to cripple the franchise and make it all but impossible to put good players around him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Clark on February 16, 2011, 11:35:41 PM
That goddamned 4 year 41 million dollar deal for Kyle Loshe is pissing me off more now than then.

And as much as I love Pujols, 10 years is too long.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on February 17, 2011, 12:22:06 AM
He is going to look good wearing Cubbie Blue
although i dont like pujols i would love this. for the simple fact it would piss off card fans
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on February 17, 2011, 06:29:21 AM
So I wonder if maybe Albert can do a little better in 2011 since it looks like this is going to be a "contract year"?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on February 17, 2011, 08:06:29 AM
although i dont like pujols i would love this. for the simple fact it would piss off card fans
Wearing Cub blue would ensure he would surpass Barry Bonds on the home run list, but my gut feeling (and it's a pretty big gut) is that he will be a Yankee.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: shithead on February 17, 2011, 08:36:47 AM
Wearing Cub blue would ensure he would surpass Barry Bonds on the home run list, but my gut feeling (and it's a pretty big gut) is that he will be a Yankee.

I think the exact opposite. I don't see him going to NY at all. In fact, the market is really limited for his services. There are only a handful of teams that could afford him, and most of those either have big money issues (Mets, Dodgers) or a "comparable" alternative in place.

NYY- Teixiera is under contract a few more years, is arguably a better defensive 1B, and is a relatively comparable offensive player. I don't think Pujols wants to DH and, unless Tex is traded, that's what Pujols would probably be doing.

Boston- Has Adrian Gonzalez at 1B. This is where I could see Pujols landing. Red Sox traded for Gonzalez, but no extension, that I know of of, has been signed yet. Maybe Boston picked up Gonzalez as a hellacious stand-in until they can take a run at Pujols.

Cubs- Have some money issues with Soriano's contract on the books for another 3 years, and major money being allocated to upgrades at/around Wrigley. They CAN afford him, but probably wouldn't.

Cards- They'll come up with a market-value offer at some point during the season, and it will be hard for Pujols to say no. At this point, it's all just posturing. He isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on February 17, 2011, 09:09:08 AM
I think the exact opposite. I don't see him going to NY at all. In fact, the market is really limited for his services. There are only a handful of teams that could afford him, and most of those either have big money issues (Mets, Dodgers) or a "comparable" alternative in place.

NYY- Teixiera is under contract a few more years, is arguably a better defensive 1B, and is a relatively comparable offensive player. I don't think Pujols wants to DH and, unless Tex is traded, that's what Pujols would probably be doing.

Boston- Has Adrian Gonzalez at 1B. This is where I could see Pujols landing. Red Sox traded for Gonzalez, but no extension, that I know of of, has been signed yet. Maybe Boston picked up Gonzalez as a hellacious stand-in until they can take a run at Pujols.

Cubs- Have some money issues with Soriano's contract on the books for another 3 years, and major money being allocated to upgrades at/around Wrigley. They CAN afford him, but probably wouldn't.

Cards- They'll come up with a market-value offer at some point during the season, and it will be hard for Pujols to say no. At this point, it's all just posturing. He isn't going anywhere.

Having money allocated elsewhere has never stopped the Cubs from throwing stupid amounts of money at players before.  (I don't know how a team that hasn't won a championship in over 100 yrs has that many fans or makes that much money, but...it is what it is.)  I have no doubt they'll go all-in on Pujols.  A couple other teams talked about on sports radio here in STL are the Angels and the Rangers.  I would think AL teams would be more willing to give Pujols 10 years, knowing that even after he's too old to play 1B they can still have the best player in the game as their DH.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: shithead on February 17, 2011, 09:16:47 AM
True about the Cubs, but that was under Tribune ownership. Ricketts hasn't really shown his hand yet on how he's going to spend on payroll. Although early indications are he will try to streamline (read: get payroll under control) the org. He's committing money to park upgrades, player facilities, etc but is supposedly cutting back a little on 2011 payroll. The only way I see them in the mix is if they can unload Soriano and/or Fukudome. If one of those happens, I think they're sitting at the table.

Agree about the Angels and Rangers. Both have the $$ and can rationalize the contract by shifting Pujols to dh in the later contract years.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on February 18, 2011, 09:45:58 AM
Wearing Cub blue would ensure he would surpass Barry Bonds on the home run list, but my gut feeling (and it's a pretty big gut) is that he will be a Yankee.
Personally, I think you can shut your whore mouth.

He is going to look good wearing Cubbie Blue
Personally, I think you can shut your whore mouth.

So can any of the rest of you who say he won't be back with the Redbirds.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on February 18, 2011, 09:53:51 AM
giving him a 10 year deal would make him 45-46 when he is done.   8-)  absolutely stupid. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on February 18, 2011, 10:54:34 AM
 Most are saying the offer was 8 years, $200 million.  He is the best in baseball, and St. Louis doesn't think he's worth that? 

He'll hit 80 home runs a year playing 81 games at Wrigley for 5 more years, then he'll drop off to 60 homers a year for the next 3 to 5. 

Of course in the papers today Pujols was laughing at reporters saying the 8 year thing wasn't even close to what they've talked about, so that could mean he's asked for less, or more. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on February 18, 2011, 10:56:24 AM
giving him a 10 year deal would make him 45-46 when he is done.   8-)  absolutely stupid. 
I thought he was 31?  Are we assuming that his Dominican birth cert is off by a few years?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on February 18, 2011, 11:02:29 AM
I thought he was 31?  Are we assuming that his Dominican birth cert is off by a few years?

Claims to be 31.  Was caught lying about age when he first came into the league.  

And yes, his DR birth record is probably wrong or forged, ala El Duque.  
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on February 18, 2011, 11:06:47 AM
Claims to be 31.  Was caught lying about age when he first came into the league.  

And yes, his DR birth record is probably wrong or forged, ala El Duque.  
I've read stories that Missouri high schools thought he was too old, but were presented proof that he was the correct age.  Is there a document that exists that refutes his actual age, definitively?  I know Dominican players are notorious for this, but come on this is Pujols.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on February 18, 2011, 11:50:35 AM
He'll end up signing with the Cards for 7 years, 200 million.  You heard it here first.  And don't go posting this on other boards.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on February 18, 2011, 11:52:05 AM
I've read stories that Missouri high schools thought he was too old, but were presented proof that he was the correct age.  Is there a document that exists that refutes his actual age, definitively?  I know Dominican players are notorious for this, but come on this is Pujols.

I'm sure it's something like this:

(http://s3prod.weheartit.netdna-cdn.com/images/5930854/tumblr_lbij7mrFfH1qcv71xo1_500_thumb.png?1293836067)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on March 31, 2011, 06:19:37 PM
opening day - platinum sombrero with an 0-5 performance and 3 DP's. 

nice start   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on March 31, 2011, 06:31:58 PM
opening day - platinum sombrero with an 0-5 performance and 3 DP's. 

nice start   O0

You beat me to it.  First time in his career he has hit into 3 DP's, and it also ties the MLB single game record.  Good games by Holliday and Rasmus though.  Unfortunately Franklin was in midseason form.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on March 31, 2011, 10:13:12 PM
opening day - platinum sombrero with an 0-5 performance and 3 DP's. 

nice start   O0
best player my ass. somewhere the body-less head of Ted Williams is laughing
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 01, 2011, 12:08:36 AM
best player my ass. somewhere the body-less head of Ted Williams is laughing

YouR right.  One 0-5 day.  In baseball.  162 games.  600 at bats.

I've never looked at Williams career stats.  Do they even come close to Pujols?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 01, 2011, 07:07:15 AM
He'll probably be his normal self by the time the year is done but if the Cards are going to suck anyway it wouldn't be a bad deal if he had a crappy year and maybe saved them $100M.

He didn't even look like he was running on that last DP.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 01, 2011, 07:24:00 AM
opening day - platinum sombrero with an 0-5 performance and 3 DP's. 

nice start   O0

The sombrero is only used for strikeouts. i.e., Golden Sombrero = 4 K's

However, I agree, he did have a shitty day. I think the dude is 36 years old.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on April 01, 2011, 10:50:40 AM
Teddy Williams had plenty of 0-'s.  Some of which came in pivotal playoff games. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ty Webb on April 01, 2011, 11:17:34 AM
YouR right.  One 0-5 day.  In baseball.  162 games.  600 at bats.

I've never looked at Williams career stats.  Do they even come close to Pujols?
Williams career BA .344, 521 HR, 1839 RBI's, .634 SLG, .482 OBP. His 162 game average was .344-37HR-130RBI-143BB. He also missed 3 seasons when he was 24-26 years old fighting in WWII (he hit 36HR when he was 23 and 38HR when he was 26) and missed nearly all of 2 more seasons when he was 34 and 35 years old fighting in the Korean War.

Using a conservative 35HR and 120 RBI for those 4.75 years he missed and Williams would've ended up with over 680 HR and over 2400 RBI which would rank 4th and 1st all-time as of today. Williams career BA is 8th best ever as well.

He was pretty good.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: likeupthisramp on April 01, 2011, 11:46:12 AM
Are Yadi's neck tats new?  I don't remember them last year.  Or should I have posted this on the WCDC thread?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 01, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
Are Yadi's neck tats new?  I don't remember them last year.  Or should I have posted this on the WCDC thread?

They're new.  Surprised his wife let him get that shit done.

(http://www.cardsdiaspora.com/images/stories/Neck_Tattoo.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 01, 2011, 01:52:30 PM
Somebody please tell me the Holliday injury is a sick ESPN april fools joke.  :stunned:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 01, 2011, 02:24:53 PM
They're new.  Surprised his wife let him get that aMm done.

(http://www.cardsdiaspora.com/images/stories/Neck_Tattoo.jpg)


Crap, who is going to catch when he makes the obligatory repeated trips to lockup.  (SLCDC thread anyone?)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 01, 2011, 02:35:53 PM
Somebody please tell me the Holliday injury is a sick ESPN april fools joke.  :stunned:

That was my first thought too.  A couple of the St. Louis beat writers are smartasses on twitter, so nobody believed them when they first broke the story a couple hours ago.  Anyway, it's Jon Jay time!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 01, 2011, 02:42:50 PM
That was my first thought too.  A couple of the St. Louis beat writers are smartasses on twitter, so nobody believed them when they first broke the story a couple hours ago.  Anyway, it's Jon Jay time!

Jay played great last year full-time after Ludwick got traded. A strong 3-6 weeks from him and he could turn into some good trade bait.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: likeupthisramp on April 04, 2011, 10:44:58 AM
Crap, who is going to catch when he makes the obligatory repeated trips to lockup.  (SLCDC thread anyone?)

Perhaps this can be used in the case study for "What comes first - lockup or neck tats?"
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shinobi on April 06, 2011, 03:29:19 PM
My God Jason Motte is turrible.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 06, 2011, 06:19:44 PM
If I'm the Cards' GM this past winter I figure I have to do two things to kep my job: re-sign the greatest player of his generation and beef up the pitching.  He did neither.  They're falling back into that 70's mindset of "we'll draw 2-3 million no matter what and finish about 3rd every year and make ton of money."

Meanwhile folks like Cincinnatti are slowly but surely making moves and building a solid team.  Who's their GM?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on April 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
If I'm the Cards' GM this past winter I figure I have to do two things to kep my job: re-sign the greatest player of his generation and beef up the pitching.  He did neither.  They're falling back into that 70's mindset of "we'll draw 2-3 million no matter what and finish about 3rd every year and make ton of money."

Meanwhile folks like Cincinnatti are slowly but surely making moves and building a solid team.  Who's their GM?

Mozeliak's a moron...or else has been instructed by DeWallet not to spend any fucking money.  They have "Mo" on local sports radio up here all the damn time, and every time they ask him a question his answer is "build from within," using prospects from the Cardinals' highly-regarded* farm system, even though he's traded away all the elite talent.  And the rotation was highly questionable even with Wainwright.  Carp's not getting any younger, Lohse is a bum, Garcia's got good stuff but is still pretty young...and the rest?  Bums.  Throw the whole "Let's put Lance Berkman back in the OF" idea and the failure to resign the best player of all time, and you've got a management team that has officially mailed it the fuck in, and laughing all the way to the bank.


*By absolutely NO ONE outside the Cardinals' organization.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: wvhawgfan on April 06, 2011, 08:32:57 PM
Mozeliak's a moron...or else has been instructed by DeWallet not to spend any fucking money.  They have "Mo" on local sports radio up here all the damn time, and every time they ask him a question his answer is "build from within," using prospects from the Cardinals' highly-regarded* farm system, even though he's traded away all the elite talent.  And the rotation was highly questionable even with Wainwright.  Carp's not getting any younger, Lohse is a bum, Garcia's got good stuff but is still pretty young...and the rest?  Bums.  Throw the whole "Let's put Lance Berkman back in the OF" idea and the failure to resign the best player of all time, and you've got a management team that has officially mailed it the fuck in, and laughing all the way to the bank.


*By absolutely NO ONE outside the Cardinals' organization.
You forgot having Theriot as your starting shortstop, but the rest I agree with.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: CrocodileHunter on April 06, 2011, 09:22:11 PM
You forgot having Theriot as your starting shortstop, but the rest I agree with.


Are you a Cubs fan or something?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 06, 2011, 10:09:18 PM
Meanwhile folks like Cincinnatti are slowly but surely making moves and building a solid team.  Who's their GM?

That guy who completely depleted the farm system at his previous job?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 07, 2011, 12:39:48 AM
Farm systems are simply a means to an end.  With minor league players, it doesn't matter if you promote them, trade them, or sell them.  In 13 years he presided over 6 division titles and two pennants.  His replacement will not equal that.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 07, 2011, 06:37:37 AM
Cards don't win anything in odd numbered decades.  Come back in 2020.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 07, 2011, 09:36:56 AM
Farm systems are simply a means to an end.  With minor league players, it doesn't matter if you promote them, trade them, or sell them.  In 13 years he presided over 6 division titles and two pennants.  His replacement will not equal that.

With a depleted system and aging vets, your only means to get quick help is free agency. So it matters one whole hell of a lot.
Mo gets a lot of shit, and he hasn't been great, but he's done okay with the cards that he was dealt.

Color me unimpressed with a bunch of division titles from the worst division in baseball.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Splurge on April 07, 2011, 10:05:40 AM
With a depleted system and aging vets, your only means to get quick help is free agency. So it matters one whole Starkville of a lot.
Mo gets a lot of aMm, and he hasn't been great, but he's done okay with the cards that he was dealt.

Color me unimpressed with a bunch of division titles from the worst division in baseball.

Its better than not getting a bunch of division titles in the worst division in baseball.  The goal is to win at the major league level, period.  If you don't do that, the rest is just extraneous crap.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on April 07, 2011, 10:45:30 AM
Its better than not getting a bunch of division titles in the worst division in baseball.  The goal is to win at the major league level, period.  If you don't do that, the rest is just extraneous crap.

 Well yeah, the purse strings are shut, so we've resorted to putting below average outfielders in the middle infield. I'm not saying he's doing a good job, but Jocketty gutted the organization. When you can't go out and pay free agents at will like the yankees,  thats not a good thing.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: copenhaWgen on April 10, 2011, 01:03:09 PM
60 Minutes just confirmed that Pujols is best player ever and also best role model.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 10, 2011, 04:47:10 PM
60 Minutes just confirmed that Pujols is best player ever and also best role model.

They didn't happen to mention when he was planning on starting to hit his weight this year did they?

I still expect him to end up a lot closer to his performance in the last decade rather than the last 10 days but if he happens to put up a .250 year with power numbers to match he is going to cost himself a lot of money.  That's 100 points above where he is at the moment.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: copenhaWgen on April 10, 2011, 06:53:16 PM
60 minutes also just confirmed that the state of Mississippi is still backwards and racist.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: copenhaWgen on April 10, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
60 Minutes just confirmed that Pujols is best player ever and also best role model.

From what I just watched, Pujols may go down as the best human ever.   :angel:

St. Louis better pay that man his money.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: HipHog on April 11, 2011, 08:00:19 AM
giant fans were on albie hard, chanting 143, 143. of course the "best player ever" shut them up by going 0-fer again
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 11, 2011, 10:03:38 AM
From what I just watched, Pujols may go down as the best human ever.   :angel:

St. Louis better pay that man his money.

If my son could by 1/10th the man Pujols is, I'd be the proudest dad alive.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7362328n (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7362328n)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: USAFHawg on April 11, 2011, 01:51:23 PM
If my son could by 1/10th the man Pujols is, I'd be the proudest dad alive.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7362328n (http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7362328n)

His head sure did get a lot bigger between those old pics and now.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on April 11, 2011, 02:16:27 PM
His head sure did get a lot bigger between those old pics and now.

I'm just 48.  I look exactly like I did when I was 16.  Shoot those size 14 neck collars kind of lay right below my ears now compared to my size 19 neck now.  Steroids sure let me down.  I got the giant head, and no million dollars.

I've read where Pujols' high school coach thought weights would "bulk you up" and "mess up your swing" as well as "make you too tight."  Those coaches are all retired now, I think.

By the way, I'm a Cubs fan through and through.  I'd love for any Cardinal to mess up, but I just don't think Pujols is fake.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 13, 2011, 01:50:17 PM
Anyone wanna take a bet that Pujols will end up at .300, 35 HRs and 110 RBI's again?

That would be about his worst season ever.

EVER.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on April 13, 2011, 10:11:10 PM
Somehow Chase Field in AZ has turned into the new Coors.  3 more runs a game than any other park, and this series with the Cards has been a HR fest.  

Or maybe Arizona just has really bad pitching.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 13, 2011, 11:22:49 PM
It's not as if it's a bandbox-- 413 to the deepest parts of center.

And, for those scoring at home, Batista appears to be sporting a Rawlings Pro Preferred in Camel with a modified trap.  You used to never see pitchers wearing a trap.

Oh, and for the haters - who sound a little like the Col. Reb fans waiting for something bad to happen on CBMFP's watch  ;D -- Albert was 2-3 with a walk, 3 runs scored, 2 RBI's tonight, while stranding 0 runners.  He has drifted north of the Mendoza Line.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: SunshineSweaterman on April 14, 2011, 02:46:29 AM
60 Minutes just confirmed that Pujols is best player ever and also best role model.

My Mom called me Sunday night and said, "60 Minutes did an interview of that baseball player named Poohole."   :stache:

Here's a picture of her per the woopizzle rules
(http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f68/130036d1249805519-its-nfl-time-waterboy3.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 14, 2011, 08:04:56 AM
My Mom called me Sunday night and said, "60 Minutes did an interview of that baseball player named Poohole."   :stache:

Here's a picture of her per the woopizzle rules
(http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/attachments/f68/130036d1249805519-its-nfl-time-waterboy3.jpg)

That reminds me... One time my mom told me that "Julio and the Goldfish" were going to be in town for a concert. She meant Hootie and the Blowfish.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 14, 2011, 04:58:39 PM
That reminds me... One time my mom told me that "Julio and the Goldfish" were going to be in town for a concert. She meant Hootie and the Blowfish.
I'll do you one better.

Grandmother calls me and says she heard Pearl Jam was coming to Malvern. After scouring the web, calling KLAZ and working myself into a frenzy I found out what really was happening.

The Rodeo was in town and Bull Jam was it's name.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 16, 2011, 12:00:29 AM
Albert has gone yard tonight. Twice.

As has Lance Berkman.

We've looked like the '27 Yankees this week.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 16, 2011, 02:11:29 PM
.241 4 HR, 10 RBIs

Haters should take notice now.  April/May will be like Petrino '08.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 16, 2011, 11:41:38 PM
check out Coco Crisp's new do.

(http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/92/183519/28781-330-0.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 17, 2011, 02:12:45 PM
He out Oscar Gamble'd Oscar Gamble!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Clark on April 18, 2011, 03:07:54 PM
check out Coco Crisp's new do.

(http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/92/183519/28781-330-0.jpg)
He rocks ruff and stuff with his afro puffs!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on April 23, 2011, 06:13:16 PM
Watching the Cards play the Reds on Fox, Joe Buck and McCarver are doing the game. Does anybody else think Joe Buck's voice sounds different? I noticed it last time I watched a game he called. Sounds like he's drunk or something
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on April 23, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
It's sounds like he's real horse and it's worse today than last week.  Hope it's not serious.

BTW, I think Albert's HR today makes 3 in five games or something.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on April 23, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
.241 4 HR, 10 RBIs

Haters should take notice now.  April/May will be like Petrino '08.



One week later

.250  7 HR, 17 RBI
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 24, 2011, 10:28:40 AM

One week later

.250  7 HR, 17 RBI

Can he throw a couple of innings a week out of the bullpen, too?
can't be much worse than what they have been trotting out there
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on April 24, 2011, 11:23:07 AM
Can he throw a couple of innings a week out of the bullpen, too?
can't be much worse than what they have been trotting out there
Sanchez, Salas, Motte and Boggs have been fine. It is once Tony starts playing puppet master with Bautista, Miller and Franklin that ends in a loss. I hope that "eye infection" (shingles) infects his brain.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on April 24, 2011, 10:44:45 PM
Sanchez, Salas, Motte and Boggs have been fine. It is once Tony starts playing puppet master with Bautista, Miller and Franklin that ends in a loss. I hope that "eye infection" (shingles) infects his brain.

I saw my first game of the year tonight, like those S guys.

hope we don't end up needing those 5 games we farted away
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on May 06, 2011, 09:02:49 PM
Jaime Garcia perfect through 7.


keep this here...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on May 06, 2011, 09:32:34 PM
Jaime Garcia perfect through 7.


keep this here...

I was busy doing pbp so I didn't see this in time to curse you for jinxing it.  I'll take a 1 walk, 2 hit shutout I guess.   :D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on May 06, 2011, 10:02:25 PM
I was busy doing pbp so I didn't see this in time to curse you for jinxing it.  I'll take a 1 walk, 2 hit shutout I guess.   :D

Yeah, he gave up that walk about 10 seconds after I hit the post button. I like Jaime's future in STL. It's going to make things a lot easier for the front office when it comes to resigning Carp.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on May 07, 2011, 01:35:46 AM
.252 with 7 HR, 19 RBI's and 3 more tonight. 

Average still low, but HR and RBI are not out of the ordinary for a slow start.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on May 07, 2011, 07:18:57 AM
It would be nice if he'd get hot about the time Holliday and Berkman stop hitting .400.

weird year, bullpen can't save a close game but the new Big 3 of McClellan/Lohse/Garcia is 12-1

Since the second of those probably isn't going to keep up all year hopefully the first doesn't either.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on May 16, 2011, 04:56:19 PM
Cliff Lee is starting against the best offense in baseball tonight.  Also, Pujols will be playing 3rd with Berkman at 1st.  Rasmus is out so they moved around the outfield.  Albert played at 3rd for an inning a few weeks ago when LaRussa pulled one of his fancy double switches. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: 501 Boyz on May 16, 2011, 07:10:56 PM
seems like everytime I look up, Holiday or Berkman are hitting homeruns.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on May 16, 2011, 11:16:42 PM
Cliff Lee is starting against the best offense in baseball tonight.  Also, Pujols will be playing 3rd with Berkman at 1st.  Rasmus is out so they moved around the outfield.  Albert played at 3rd for an inning a few weeks ago when LaRussa pulled one of his fancy double switches. 
It was when Freese got hurt in Atlanta.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on May 16, 2011, 11:41:43 PM

.266  7 HR  24 RBIs

not bad for his worst April/May ever.  On pace for .266, 28 HR, 96 RBI.  That would be a decent season if he weren't the the best player ever.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 04, 2011, 07:00:59 PM
Cubbies pitch to Albert with 2 out, bases empty, in bottom of 12th.

Big mistake.

Cards win 5-4.

2 HR's & a double.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on June 04, 2011, 07:06:08 PM
Cubbies pitch to Albert with 2 out, bases empty, in bottom of 12th.

Big mistake.

Cards win 5-4.

2 HR's & a double.

The look on Samardzija's face was fantastic.  Just mouthed the words "How the fuck?"  He was basically trying to pitch around Albert and still gave up a bomb.

Pujols also homered last night and earlier in the week on Monday.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on June 04, 2011, 07:07:01 PM
Cubbies pitch to Albert with 2 out, bases empty, in bottom of 12th.

Big mistake.

Cards win 5-4.

2 HR's & a double.

That didn't look like that bad of a pitch (but I really don't know much about it).  He just waved at it and it went out.  It would be nice if he got hot while Holiday is out.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 04, 2011, 11:45:24 PM
The thing that made me wonder whether Dusty was sill managing was, even if it was supposed to be an "unintentional intentional walk," the pitcher fell behind 2-0.  At that point, just waive him on down to first.  But nooooo, they knew better.  He gets a called strike so the pitcher figures, "I'll just get him out.  I know he's already knocked in three RBI's and has 40 multiple HR games but I know better."

Right.

(http://media.kmov.com/images/389*264/ce0a46b8-d96b-4dde-82d3-713ea76be2d8-big.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 05, 2011, 04:11:07 AM
tracked it from my phone... just saw the highlights off mlb.com.




JESUS CHRIST WAS THAT JOE BUCK DOING THE GAME? SOUNDED LIKE HE WAS PARSING A GOD DAMN FUNERAL.
MONOTONOUS NON EMOTIONAL BULLSHIT. I HATE THAT GUY.


That HR was Vladmir Guerrero esque...  not sure if that's a good or bad thing but fuck it... and fuck the Cubs.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on June 05, 2011, 08:26:48 AM
April: 257
May: 288
June: 375
Overall: 280 or something, with 12HR

Wouldn't be surprised to see him at like 330, with 35-40HR by season end.


Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: The Satchuation on June 05, 2011, 10:03:15 AM
April: 257
May: 288
June: 375
Overall: 280 or something, with 12HR

Wouldn't be surprised to see him at like 330, with 35-40HR by season end.




Assuming he ends the year with around 575 ABs, about his career average, he'd have to hit in the neighborhood of .370 the rest of the way to finish at .330. Out of the question for most guys, but just another few months at the office for Albert.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hOUSTon NUTT on June 05, 2011, 04:08:37 PM
stupid Cubs...
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 05, 2011, 04:09:17 PM
It's THAT MAN AGAIN!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 05, 2011, 04:15:28 PM
Sambrano couldn't have pitched any better.  He's just not any fun any more, now that he's been to anger manament class.

Carpenter 9 innings, 2 ER's.  Two great no-decisions.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on June 05, 2011, 04:23:55 PM
Boom! Ahi va la pelota!
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on June 05, 2011, 05:11:49 PM
He hit that one a bit better than yesterday's.

Oh, look who has the second best record (by percentage points) in all of baseball).
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on June 05, 2011, 06:42:55 PM
Sambrano couldn't have pitched any better.  He's just not any fun any more, now that he's been to anger manament class.

Carpenter 9 innings, 2 ER's.  Two great no-decisions.

Looks like Pujols knows Tom Ricketts was in the stadium the last two days.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on June 06, 2011, 07:24:54 AM
Assuming he ends the year with around 575 ABs, about his career average, he'd have to hit in the neighborhood of .370 the rest of the way to finish at .330. Out of the question for most guys, but just another few months at the office for Albert.

Well on his way in June:

June     .400     5     20     9    8     1     0     4     7     4     2     .520     1.050     1.570     1     0     1.000    1     0     21     1     0     0     5.0    10.0

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/players/6619/season_batting_splits.html#ixzz1OUwArGcT
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 06, 2011, 12:14:02 PM
Through 61 games, a couple of interesting stats.

He's only .220 vs. Leftys as opposed to .294 vs. rights.

Also, innings 1-6, .242.  7th inning or later: .361.  So even in a season long "slump," he's been pretty dependable late in the games.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 12, 2011, 01:22:12 AM
He's up to .277, 14 HR, 40 RBI

On pace for 34 HR and 96 RBI.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on June 12, 2011, 02:16:09 AM
Shit I was hoping a post in this thread meant they came back in that game but then I remembered they didn't.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: BOAR WAR on June 16, 2011, 07:02:21 PM
An email I sent to the St.L. Post-Dispatch today...

Is it my imagination,
   
or do the rest of the Cardinal players rise to the occasion and play excellent baseball when star Albert Pujols struggles? Could it be that the recognition everyone else gets drives their caliber of play to another level when Pujols is trying to find his groove, thus the reason for the teams' success? And did you ever notice all the other Cardinal players make errors out in the field? But Albert has misplays? And of course when Albert finds himself and starts ripping the cover off the ball and the superlatives start flowing his way again, then team play seems to come apart at the seams? No pun intended.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on June 19, 2011, 07:40:11 PM
Albert down with a wrist injury after going 3-3 with a HR(17).  Shit, that kinda of day might have been just what he needed to get things going.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on June 19, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
This kind of aMm is exactly why we should never play Arkansas State.  You play some little shit program from across the state and the next thing you know your best player is broken.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on June 19, 2011, 10:46:13 PM
This kind of aMm is exactly why we should never play Arkansas State.  You play some little shit program from across the state and the next thing you know your best player is broken.

 :maundoed:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Ham Malone on June 19, 2011, 11:03:47 PM
This kind of aMm is exactly why we should never play Arkansas State.  You play some little shit program from across the state and the next thing you know your best player is broken.
I do my best to avoid this damn thread, but sometimes I click the next thread button absent mindedly and it pops up.  I like Pujols even though he always has great games against the Royals.  Wonder if he is having second thoughts about not signing during the offseason. 
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on June 20, 2011, 09:02:26 AM
I do my best to avoid this damn thread, but sometimes I click the next thread button absent mindedly and it pops up.  I like Pujols even though he always has great games against the Royals.  Wonder if he is having second thoughts about not signing during the offseason. 

The best player of all time doesn't need a healthy wrist.  He's got that covered.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on June 20, 2011, 01:37:54 PM
ST. LOUIS (AP) -- St. Louis Cardinals first baseman Albert Pujols will be out for 4-6 weeks with a fractured left forearm, a devastating blow for a franchise hit hard by injuries this season.

The team announced the results of an MRI and CT scan Monday, one day after Pujols was injured during a home game against Kansas City. The team said Pujols has a non-displaced fracture of his left radius and his arm is in a splint.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/06/20/albert.pujols.injury.ap/index.html#ixzz1PqHlVebb
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 20, 2011, 01:39:53 PM
This kind of aMm is exactly why we should never play Arkansas State.  You play some little shit program from across the state and the next thing you know your best player is broken.

Jesus. That's good.





Fractured left wrist. Not surprising.
Out 4-6 weeks.
Berkman takes over at 1b, Jay and Brown can hold down RF.
Freese is due back soon, Craig will be back in a few weeks.
Cards, oddly, should be okay.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on June 20, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
Jesus. That's good.





Fractured left wrist. Not surprising.
Out 4-6 weeks.
Berkman takes over at 1b, Jay and Brown can hold down RF.
Freese is due back soon, Craig will be back in a few weeks.
Cards, oddly, should be okay.
fixt
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on June 20, 2011, 02:43:10 PM
You could tell it likely was much worse than a wrist sprain from his immediate reaction.  Plus, before they showed the frst replay, on the closeups you could see how much his hand had already swollen up.

He'd really been heating up lately.  Through 73 games, .279, 17 HR's and 45 RBI's, which projected out to 37.7 HR's and 99.8 RBI's for the season.  And he leads the team in runs scored with 52.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Shinobi on June 21, 2011, 09:31:52 PM
My gosh Jason Motte is awful.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 21, 2011, 09:51:12 PM
Miguel Batista saved his ass by being horrible... and proving that there is STILL no reason to hold him on a god damn ML roster.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on June 21, 2011, 09:56:31 PM
Four walked batters this inning, two from Batista with the bases loaded.  Dan sounds absolutely disgusted, which is at least entertaining.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 21, 2011, 10:14:04 PM
Don't forget the HBP too.



Did anyone listen to that bottom half inning?

I'm drunk, but I'm pretty sure Dan said "It makes you wonder about Mitchell Boggs. Where the fuck is Mitchell Boggs?"
I'm serious.
I think it was so close to what everyone was thinking exactly, that it just sneaked in. Like no one noticed.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on June 21, 2011, 10:15:39 PM
No, I think I'm right.

He's gone full Bob Uecker. Overly selling the post-game show and exorbitantly gushing all over how good it is and how you need to watch.
This isn't Dan being Dan. He's pissed.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on June 22, 2011, 03:00:03 PM
Miguel Batista saved his ass by being horrible... and proving that there is STILL no reason to hold him on a god damn ML roster.

Looks like TLR and Duncan finally saw the light.  Batista was given his unconditional release today and Lance Lynn has been called up from Memphis.  Lynn was already on the 40-man roster, so this opens up a spot.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/cardinals-release-miguel-batista.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/cardinals-release-miguel-batista.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on June 29, 2011, 01:32:14 PM
All signs point to the Ryan Franklin era coming to and end today or tomorrow, albeit about two months too late.  I doubt he retires because that would be the only way he doesn't get paid, so I guess they'll probably make up an injury for him like they did Izzy or something.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: oldhogfan on June 29, 2011, 01:39:34 PM
Yeah that million and half they owe him for the rest of the year would help greatly on his retirement fund.  Doubt he would give that up but I think something will be done soon. They've played short most of the year because of him.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on June 29, 2011, 07:29:59 PM
If you care you probably already know this, but Franklin was released this afternoon.  I believe this is what they call a mercy killing.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: papermill on June 29, 2011, 09:53:54 PM
If you care you probably already know this, but Franklin was released this afternoon.  I believe this is what they call a mercy killing.

As bad as he was this year they should have stomped on his foot or something and said "There, now you are injured."
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on July 06, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
I've always been a fan of the Big Puma but it's hard to believe he's fourth on any list.

Berkman leads the league with 23 homers after a drive to right estimated at 452 feet, the longest at 6-year-old Busch Stadium, and with 350 career homers he is tied for fourth with Chili Davis on the career switch-hitter list, trailing only Mickey Mantle , Eddie Murray and Chipper Jones .

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/gameflash/2011/07/05/37614_recap.html?sct=hp_t2_a11&eref=sihp#ixzz1RLMxb3t6 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/gameflash/2011/07/05/37614_recap.html?sct=hp_t2_a11&eref=sihp#ixzz1RLMxb3t6)




Also, how the hell do you come back a month early from a broken wrist?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 06, 2011, 11:42:44 AM





Also, how the Starkville do you come back a month early from a broken wrist?

Too easy.

He's Rick James, bitch!

(http://blog.neonmonster.com/wp-content/uploads/dave-chappelle-rick-james.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 06, 2011, 11:45:31 AM
Also, how the Starkville do you come back a month early from a broken wrist?

The amazing healing powers of Albert Pujols are not of this world.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple-110706_pujols_terminator&sportCat=mlb (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple-110706_pujols_terminator&sportCat=mlb)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Count Porkula on July 06, 2011, 01:12:36 PM


Also, how the hell do you come back a month early from a broken wrist?


(http://www.typefreediabetes.com/v/vspfiles/templates/TypeFree/images/images_files/syringe2.jpg)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 06, 2011, 01:21:04 PM
I know it's not going to happen, but now would be a good time for Albert to take a blood test to show everybody he's clean.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 06, 2011, 10:16:32 PM
Baseball players have been randomly tested for years, right?   ???

Why does he need to take another test if he's already taken them?


Haterz gonna hate.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 07, 2011, 12:23:34 AM
And what drug makes a broken bone heal faster that is banned?  I didn't think roids did that.  Maybe HGH?
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: GuinnessHog on July 07, 2011, 06:19:10 AM
And what drug makes a broken bone heal faster that is banned?  I didn't think roids did that.  Maybe HGH?

Whole milk
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 07, 2011, 08:13:49 AM
And what drug makes a broken bone heal faster that is banned?  I didn't think roids did that.  Maybe HGH?

(http://www.hatersgoingtohate.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/haters-gonna-hate-wwf.gif)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 07, 2011, 08:59:24 AM
And what drug makes a broken bone heal faster that is banned?  I didn't think roids did that.  Maybe HGH?

Ummm... no. Nothing does that.

It was a very minor fracture that didn't even show up on initial mri or xray. Said he could start rehabbing it when the pain went away, which was apparently the next day.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 14, 2011, 09:08:40 AM
Jaime Garcia just got paid. 27mil-plus. Either the Cards are going to start spending some of the cash they've been hoarding, or they think Albert already has one foot out the door.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: APhiOHog on July 14, 2011, 11:01:57 AM
Jaime Garcia just got paid. 27mil-plus. Either the Cards are going to start spending some of the cash they've been hoarding, or they think Albert already has one foot out the door.

Hopefully this.  Surely DeWitt, Mozelak & Co. have realized the NL Central, while not the AL East, is no longer a cake walk.  Milwaukee, Cincinatti, hell even the damn Pirates have a winning record (so far), and are actively trying to improve their clubs.  The Cubs have enough money that they won't be a doormat forever, either.  The Cardinals management is actually going to have to give a damn if they want to remain perennial NL Central champions.

/Cannot yet bear the thought of losing Albert
/May very well defect if that happens
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 14, 2011, 11:24:59 AM
Hopefully this.  Surely DeWitt, Mozelak & Co. have realized the NL Central, while not the AL East, is no longer a cake walk.  Milwaukee, Cincinatti, Starkville even the damn Pirates have a winning record (so far), and are actively trying to improve their clubs.  The Cubs have enough money that they won't be a doormat forever, either.  The Cardinals management is actually going to have to give a damn if they want to remain perennial NL Central champions.

/Cannot yet bear the thought of losing Albert
/May very well defect if that happens

When the Cards' management looks over their numbers, I hope their accountants have budgeted in the costs of rebuilding Busch Stadium after people burn it down if they don't sign Albert.

One of my kids and her roommates went up for Sat/Sun games last weekend.  Even though the heat had diminished the crowd size a bit, when Albert homered to tie things up in the 8th (or whenever), it was supposedly like the Beatles at Shea Stadium.  The idea of them NOT resigning him is beyond my comprehension.

But, some accountant for the Red Sox thought it was a good idea to sell Babe Ruth.  So who knows.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 14, 2011, 11:47:17 AM
When the Cards' management looks over their numbers, I hope their accountants have budgeted in the costs of rebuilding Busch Stadium after people burn it down if they don't sign Albert.

One of my kids and her roommates went up for Sat/Sun games last weekend.  Even though the heat had diminished the crowd size a bit, when Albert homered to tie things up in the 8th (or whenever), it was supposedly like the Beatles at Shea Stadium.  The idea of them NOT resigning him is beyond my comprehension.

But, some accountant for the Red Sox thought it was a good idea to sell Babe Ruth.  So who knows.
;D
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 14, 2011, 02:23:39 PM
When the Cards' management looks over their numbers, I hope their accountants have budgeted in the costs of rebuilding Busch Stadium after people burn it down if they don't sign Albert.

One of my kids and her roommates went up for Sat/Sun games last weekend.  Even though the heat had diminished the crowd size a bit, when Albert homered to tie things up in the 8th (or whenever), it was supposedly like the Beatles at Shea Stadium.  The idea of them NOT resigning him is beyond my comprehension.

But, some accountant for the Red Sox thought it was a good idea to sell Babe Ruth.  So who knows.

I think you're hitting on the fact that signing Albert is far more than deciding what to pay for statistics.  He's the biggest thing to happen to STL since Musial.  That's woth $30 million a year by itself.  And he already gave STL a discount 7 years ago.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 14, 2011, 02:36:10 PM
I think you're hitting on the fact that signing Albert is far more than deciding what to pay for statistics.  He's the biggest thing to happen to STL since Musial.  That's woth $30 million a year by itself.  And he already gave STL a discount 7 years ago.

Good point, statistics aren't everything--you have to consider the intangibles too. In the bottom of the 9th with two outs and the tying run on 2nd, I'd rather see a 40-year old Albert with a .250 average, than a 24 year old kid hitting .300.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Pig on July 14, 2011, 03:00:57 PM
Re-sign him by all means, but in your scenario I'd go with the 24 year old.
I remember what happened to Willie Mays.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ArkGuy on July 14, 2011, 03:57:15 PM
Yeah, but he'll have lots of AB's (for somebody) before he turns 40.  That's what you're paying for now.

Even this sub-par season, he's one of the league's best hitters in the last three innings.

Speaking of weird stats, going into this season, Pujols' career averages (119 runs, 41 HRs, 123 RBI, 8 steals, .331 batting average) haven't been equaled by anyone in a single season since Larry Walker in 1997.  (143/49/130/33/.366).
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: piggus diccus on July 18, 2011, 04:16:36 PM
Apparently the real life Joe Dirt is a Cards fan: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/17/2279239/get-a-brain-morans (http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/17/2279239/get-a-brain-morans)
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 18, 2011, 06:17:59 PM
Yeah, but he'll have lots of AB's (for somebody) before he turns 40.  That's what you're paying for now.

Even this sub-par season, he's one of the league's best hitters in the last three innings.

Speaking of weird stats, going into this season, Pujols' career averages (119 runs, 41 HRs, 123 RBI, 8 steals, .331 batting average) haven't been equaled by anyone in a single season since Larry Walker in 1997.  (143/49/130/33/.366).

Wonder how long it's been for someone not playing on top of a mountain?  My guess would be Griffey at some point.

That stat = best player of all time.   O0
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: TravelHog on July 18, 2011, 09:19:54 PM
Apparently the real life Joe Dirt is a Cards fan: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/17/2279239/get-a-brain-morans (http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/7/17/2279239/get-a-brain-morans)

Not to derail this thread, but there is some comic gold in that interview:

Q: As I'm sure you know, the photograph of you at the?

A: ?I can't talk about that. I'm in the process of suing that photographer and a bunch of internet people, if I can find a lawyer who'll represent me. [To tape recorder] If anyone listening to this is a lawyer or an attorney, please contact my twitter so I can sue somebody.

Q: Decatur is roughly equidistant from St. Louis and Chicago. Why the Cardinals and not the Cubs or White Sox?

A: Why do birds take to the sky? Why do fish swim in the water? It's simply the only option.
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: boomer_sooie on July 22, 2011, 01:57:26 PM
I didn't think anyone would be able to beat out this
(http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/07/03/Jeter-finishes-rehab-set-to-join-Yankees-KH71425-x-large.jpg)
for worst minor league uniform, but it looks like Memphis wins in their attempt to support organ donor night




(http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.element/img/4.0/global/swapper/201107/110722.08.jpg)

Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: JoeBobHog on July 27, 2011, 02:24:35 PM
so we get rid of Rasmus and 3 tomato cans.

we get a decent starter and reliever, who will both be free agents at the end of the year--maybe we keep one/both.

we also get what looks to me like a pretty good lefty reliever (do you think we needed him?   :sarcasm: ), and utility outfielder, who right now is hitting better tham Rasmus.


somebody who's alot smarter than I am about this stuff please tell me if I should like this or not.



stuffing my crank into a combine bean head as we speak.



 :notexas:
Title: Re: The annual Pujols is the best player ever thread
Post by: ups_hog on July 27, 2011, 02:50:58 PM
so we get rid of Rasmus and 3 tomato cans.

we get a decent starter and reliever, who will both be free agents at the end of the year--maybe we keep one/both.

we also get what looks to me like a pretty good lefty reliever (do you think we needed him?   :sarcasm: ), and utility outfielder, who right now is hitting better tham Rasmus.


somebody who's alot smarter than I am about this stuff please tell me if I should like this or not.



stuffing my crank into a combine bean head as we speak.



 :notexas:

Meh.  I don't hate it like a lot of people seem to, but I'm underwhelmed.  It makes us a little better right now, but it does absolutely nothin