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Title: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 05, 2011, 04:29:36 PM
Might as well start a thread about a story that may end Joe Pa's career

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/06/sports/ncaafootball/former-coach-at-penn-state-is-charged-with-abuse.html

Jerry Sandusky, a former defensive coordinator for the Penn State football team once viewed as a favorite to succeed Joe Paterno as head coach, has been charged with sexually abusing eight boys, and the university’s athletic director and another university official were charged with perjury and failure to report after an investigation into the allegations.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_child_sex_case_110511

At approximately 9:30 p.m. on March 1, 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant entered what should have been an empty football locker room. He was surprised to hear the showers running and noises he thought sounded like sexual activity, according to a Pennsylvania grand jury “finding of fact” released Saturday.

When he looked in the shower he saw what he estimated to be a 10-year-old boy, hands pressed up against the wall, “being subjected to anal intercourse,” by Jerry Sandusky, then 58 and Penn State’s former defensive coordinator. The grad assistant said both the boy and the coach saw him before he fled to his office where, distraught and stunned, the grad assistant telephoned the father, who instructed his son to flee the building.

The next day, a Saturday, the grad assistant went to the home of head coach Joe Paterno and told him what he had seen. The day after that, Paterno called Penn State athletic director Tim Curley to his home to report that the grad assistant had told him he had witnessed “Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ElvisHog on November 05, 2011, 05:01:16 PM
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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ocelot_ark on November 05, 2011, 05:26:36 PM
2002

Damn near a decade for any of this to break? That's fucking horrible.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: clintcommander on November 05, 2011, 05:40:07 PM
Talk about a 19 y/o kid that is in need of some therapy...
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TNPIG on November 05, 2011, 05:50:30 PM
If a kid has to be touched in order for Joe Pa to get the frick on with his life...then so be it  :shocker:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: idiot kicker on November 05, 2011, 05:56:17 PM
the child in the shower was actually 12.  jerry slicked his hair back to make him look 10.



Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jeff Spongeworthy on November 05, 2011, 06:01:10 PM
Forty counts was just reported on ESPNU (unless i misheard).  It apparently wasn't just the one kid.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GoodbyePorkPieHat on November 05, 2011, 06:39:45 PM
Interesting that this story breaks a week after Paterno breaks Eddie Robinson's career wins record.  Coincidence?  I dunno.   :sarcasm:

That sorry piece of shit has known about this since 2002.  Paterno needs to go, today.  Fuck him and his "legacy". 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 05, 2011, 08:03:58 PM
Paterno will be a prosecution witness

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/paterno_praised_for_acting_app.html
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hoggybones on November 05, 2011, 08:45:59 PM
this is not a joke. or fake link. Look at the title of his book.

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Buffinator on November 05, 2011, 08:50:21 PM
this is not a joke. or fake link. Look at the title of his book.

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575

ho. lee.  schit  :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 05, 2011, 09:06:38 PM
If a kid has to be touched in order for Joe Pa to get the frick on with his life...then so be it  :shocker:

Paterno has no other life it appears. Like Bear Bryant, or recently, Andy Rooney, he will be dead within 3 months of retiring.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: pwayne on November 05, 2011, 09:55:47 PM
No matter how old you get, a 10 year old boy will always be a 10 year old boy.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 05, 2011, 10:09:04 PM
How does this take almost ten years to come out.  This bastard has gotten treated like a catholic priest , and he is a sexual predator that should be executed, but only after a chainsaw enema and a few days in gen pop at the penn state pen.

Makes trading jersies and sweatbands for weed and tattoos into small potatoes in comparison.  I hatefuckung Penn St, and now hate them more.  That scumbag has probably raped kids all over the country as a serial rapist, probably in cahoots with some NAMBLA alums.   The media will fall all over themselves to protect Paterno in this.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HipHog on November 05, 2011, 10:14:20 PM
How does this take almost ten years to come out.  This bastard has gotten treated like a catholic priest , and he is a sexual predator that should be executed, but only after a chainsaw enema and a few days in gen pop at the penn state pen.

Makes trading jersies and sweatbands for weed and tattoos into small potatoes in comparison.  I hatefuckung Penn St, and now hate them more.  That scumbag has probably raped kids all over the country as a serial rapist, probably in cahoots with some NAMBLA alums.   The media will fall all over themselves to protect Paterno in this.
FUCK paterno for knowing about this for so long
Title: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 05, 2011, 10:15:10 PM
They are saying jopa is in the clear for reporting. I say bullshit, he didn't report to the cops. Heads need to roll on this one. AD and VP finance are arrested. Anyone who knew about this and didn't report needs jail time.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 05, 2011, 10:16:32 PM
I'll admit it.  This news took me by surprise.  Bigtime.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PigBangTheory on November 05, 2011, 11:10:38 PM
nothing surprises me anymore, 'cept...yep, nothing. sad.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Whyte Boar on November 05, 2011, 11:12:42 PM
How is it the boy's daddy knew at the time and nothing came out about it?  Had I been that boy's daddy, the dude would be dead.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 05, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
I'll admit it.  This news took me by surprise.  Bigtime.

Me too. HORRIBLE.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 05, 2011, 11:20:02 PM
How does this take almost ten years to come out.  This bastard has gotten treated like a catholic priest ....

Good comparison.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 05, 2011, 11:39:50 PM
They are saying jopa is in the clear for reporting. I say bullshit, he didn't report to the cops. Heads need to roll on this one. AD and VP finance are arrested. Anyone who knew about this and didn't report needs jail time.

Paterno didn't witness it, the GA did.  The GA should've reported it to the cops after nothing came out of the AD's office.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GoodbyePorkPieHat on November 05, 2011, 11:44:47 PM
Paterno didn't witness it, the GA did.  The GA should've reported it to the cops after nothing came out of the AD's office.

Yes, but Paterno should've, too.  He's not innocent in this.  He knew about it for 10 years and did nothing. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 05, 2011, 11:46:59 PM
How is it the boy's daddy knew at the time and nothing came out about it?  Had I been that boy's daddy, the dude would be dead.

If it comes out that PSU staff stonewalled this deal, that it was swept under the carpet, all hell will break loose.  More likely is that the kid's father was paid off.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 06, 2011, 12:01:14 AM
Yes, but Paterno should've, too.  He's not innocent in this.  He knew about it for 10 years and did nothing.

He knew what he was told, he didn't witness it.  You go to the police and tell them somene is a child molester you better be damn sure or your ass is in deep doodoo. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GoodbyePorkPieHat on November 06, 2011, 12:15:06 AM
He knew what he was told, he didn't witness it.  You go to the police and tell them somene is a child molester you better be damn sure or your ass is in deep doodoo.

Not if you're in Pennsylvania and your name is Joe Paterno. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 06, 2011, 12:25:10 AM
He knew what he was told, he didn't witness it.  You go to the police and tell them somene is a child molester you better be damn sure or your ass is in deep doodoo.

Since he didn't witness it himself, he couldn't have made the accusation, true. But, he still had a responsibility to contact the authorities and tell them what the GA told him.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SunshineSweaterman on November 06, 2011, 12:38:11 AM
Interesting that this story breaks a week after Paterno breaks Eddie Robinson's career wins record.  Coincidence?  I dunno.   :sarcasm:

That sorry piece of shit has known about this since 2002.  Paterno needs to go, today.  Fuck him and his "legacy".

Well put.  Joepa should be fired today.  The fact this was covered up untll he broke Eddie Robinson's record is horrible. 

Joepa is no better than those Catholic bishops that covered up the same type of thing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 06, 2011, 01:56:01 AM
Oh, this was full blown child rape not just molestation. They all need to burn.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: mr.zorak on November 06, 2011, 07:38:08 AM
His teefus look like hominy.

Seriously though,  this may be the death knell for JoePa whether he "knew about it" or not.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on November 06, 2011, 07:45:24 AM
And how many more boys were molested after all this went unreported to the authorities?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KCHOGS on November 06, 2011, 08:07:38 AM
How is it the boy's daddy knew at the time and nothing came out about it?  Had I been that boy's daddy, the dude would be dead.

Exactly.  They would have found that coach dead in the ditch somewhere.  That's completely unbelievable that he wouldn't protect his son.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Thin Red Swine on November 06, 2011, 08:15:25 AM
Who knows if this is true?  The GA was probably just butthurt about something Sandusky had done to him.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on November 06, 2011, 08:24:05 AM
Who knows if this is true?  The GA was probably just butthurt about something Sandusky had done to him.

THIS is why. Prosecutors don't generally charge people in something like this unless they believe they have a pretty strong case.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/05/penn-state-ex-coach-others-charged-in-child-sex-case/ (http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/05/penn-state-ex-coach-others-charged-in-child-sex-case/)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 06, 2011, 09:20:07 AM
Where is Judge Parker when you need him...
Quote
Sandusky retired in 1999 but continued to use the school's facilities for his work with The Second Mile, a foundation he established to help at-risk kids, where authorities say he encountered the boys.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2011/11/05/penn-state-ex-coach-others-charged-in-child-sex-case/#ixzz1cwGyzOwc
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 06, 2011, 10:36:08 AM
Who knows if this is true?  The GA was probably just butthurt about something Sandusky had done to him.


 :evil:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 06, 2011, 10:49:12 AM
Who knows if this is true?  The GA was probably just butthurt about something Sandusky had done to him.

Wow.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bleedinred on November 06, 2011, 10:49:18 AM
Who knows if this is true?  The GA was probably just butthurt about something Sandusky had done to him.

 :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Thin Red Swine on November 06, 2011, 11:23:23 AM
Wow.

Too soon? 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tanny Bogus on November 06, 2011, 11:59:46 AM
Paterno was told by an assistant who witnessed it firsthand and came to Paterno's house to tell him about it.  Put yourself in Paterno's shoes.  Wouldn't you have gone to the police? Or at least done something to prevent this monster from remaining in a position where he would be able to continue to prey on troubled children?  It might be a huge coverup, it might not be, but in the very least, Paterno chose not to use his vast influence to help protect children from a sexual predator.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: CharlieHog on November 06, 2011, 12:15:20 PM
If you witness someone raping or molesting a child you

1. stop the attack
2. call the police
3. inform your superiors if it happened at your workplace


Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 06, 2011, 12:57:07 PM
See if you can read this without getting ill:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf (http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: McCarroll21 on November 06, 2011, 01:04:02 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/report_former_coach_jerry_sand.html

The GA was Mike McQueary, now an assistant coach for Penn State. More details included in the link, too. Heads should roll.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Satchuation on November 06, 2011, 01:07:14 PM
Paterno was told by an assistant who witnessed it firsthand and came to Paterno's house to tell him about it.  Put yourself in Paterno's shoes.  Wouldn't you have gone to the police? Or at least done something to prevent this monster from remaining in a position where he would be able to continue to prey on troubled children?  It might be a huge coverup, it might not be, but in the very least, Paterno chose not to use his vast influence to help protect children from a sexual predator.

Hell, Paterno hasn't known what's going on with his own asshole in a good 20 years, how is he supposed to remember what's happening to anybody else's? For all we know he drove straight to the police station, but by the time he got there couldn't remember exactly why and ended up just visiting with Larry Johnson.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 06, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
Anyone who tries to cover Paterno in this is full of shit.  If you witness a child raping, you call the police.  Mandated reporter or not, if that is not your first response then you need to check yourself.


I saw an article that showed two people.  I thought Sandusky was the fruity looking one, he's not.  He looks like some old grandpa.  Exactly the type of guy who frequents the parks and restrooms.

Is there a statue of limitations on this thing?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 06, 2011, 01:43:38 PM
If you witness someone raping or molesting a child you

1. stop the attack
2. call the police
3. inform your superiors if it happened at your workplace

^^That. And, if you're told later on that something like this took place, see (2) and (3), in that order.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tim Calhoun on November 06, 2011, 01:47:29 PM
Anyone who tries to cover Paterno in this is full of aMm.  If you witness a child raping, you call the police.  Mandated reporter or not, if that is not your first response then you need to check yourself.


I saw an article that showed two people.  I thought Sandusky was the fruity looking one, he's not.  He looks like some old grandpa.  Exactly the type of guy who frequents the parks and restrooms.

Is there a statue of limitations on this thing?

WTF.  Are you reading?  I could care less what happens to that senile old man but everything makes it entirely clear he didn't witness anything he was told.  So why go on a god damned rant about him not reporting something he saw.  He didn't witness shit.  He wouldn't understand it anyway.  That dude probably isn't really alive we will later find out.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tim Calhoun on November 06, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
One of the craziest stories ever.  Was it that well hidden?  Multiple people caught him but he didn't display any weird pedo behavior I wonder?  disgusting  nonetheless.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkRyan on November 06, 2011, 02:20:14 PM
If you witness someone raping or molesting a child you

1. stop the attack
2. call the police
3. inform your superiors if it happened at your workplace

1a.  kill the molester 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 06, 2011, 02:23:21 PM
WTF.  Are you reading?  I could care less what happens to that senile old man but everything makes it entirely clear he didn't witness anything he was told.  So why go on a god damned rant about him not reporting something he saw.  He didn't witness shit.  He wouldn't understand it anyway.  That dude probably isn't really alive we will later find out.

It seems like you're saying Paterno has no culpability in this.  Thats an incredibly callous attitude.  If he was told anything by someone claiming to be a direct witness then he has a responsibility to report.  To the police.  There is a higher standard where child abuse is suspected. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sooiiee Generis on November 06, 2011, 02:24:32 PM
How does this take almost ten years to come out.  This bastard has gotten treated like a catholic priest , and he is a sexual predator that should be executed, but only after a chainsaw enema and a few days in gen pop at the penn state pen.

Makes trading jersies and sweatbands for weed and tattoos into small potatoes in comparison.  I hatefuckung Penn St, and now hate them more.  That scumbag has probably raped kids all over the country as a serial rapist, probably in cahoots with some NAMBLA alums.   The media will fall all over themselves to protect Paterno in this.

The Washington Post is not falling all over itself to protect Paterno.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/if-jerry-sandusky-allegations-are-true-penn-state-and-joe-paterno-deserve/2011/11/05/gIQAYIucqM_story.html?hpid=z1 (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/if-jerry-sandusky-allegations-are-true-penn-state-and-joe-paterno-deserve/2011/11/05/gIQAYIucqM_story.html?hpid=z1)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 06, 2011, 02:28:07 PM
See if you can read this without getting ill:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf (http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf)

I couldn't.  I got as far as "heard rhythmic, slapping sounds" before I almost literally got sick. 

WTF is wrong with people.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on November 06, 2011, 02:36:11 PM
Very disturbing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW0WCUEOqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SunshineSweaterman on November 06, 2011, 02:49:23 PM

Anyone who tries to cover Paterno in this is full of shit.  If you witness a child raping, you call the police.  Mandated reporter or not, if that is not your first response then you need to check yourself.


I saw an article that showed two people.  I thought Sandusky was the fruity looking one, he's not.  He looks like some old grandpa.  Exactly the type of guy who frequents the parks and restrooms.

Is there a statue of limitations on this thing?

Easy lumping people who have to go to the bathroom often with child molesters.  Lots of people have irritable bowel syndrome and other bowel issues.  Trust me.  I have to drop a deuce about threeve times a day.

WTF.  Are you reading?  I could care less what happens to that senile old man but everything makes it entirely clear he didn't witness anything he was told.  So why go on a god damned rant about him not reporting something he saw.  He didn't witness shit.  He wouldn't understand it anyway.  That dude probably isn't really alive we will later find out.

As has been stated, if a person ever *hears* of child abuse the proper procedure is to REPORT IT.  No if, ands, or buts. 
Joepa didn't report it to the police and he should burn (university police ≠  state or local police).  The GA that witnessed the rape (and is now on staff), Mike McQueary, should burn too for not reporting it to the police department.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 06, 2011, 04:50:31 PM
Joe Pa speaks

http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_105257/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=vESx2y0j


"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters. While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can't help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 06, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Joe Pa speaks

http://mobile.pennlive.com/advpenn/pm_105257/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=vESx2y0j


"If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters. While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can't help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred.

 ??? 

If by "supposed to do" you mean shut the fuck up about it and hide it, I guess that makes sense.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Chigurh on November 06, 2011, 06:39:07 PM
I couldn't.  I got as far as "heard rhythmic, slapping sounds" before I almost literally got sick. 

WTF is wrong with people.

I never got that far.

You must have a higher tolerance for old guys laying face to face and "cracking backs" of children than I do.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 06, 2011, 07:07:05 PM
WTF.  Are you reading?  I could care less what happens to that senile old man but everything makes it entirely clear he didn't witness anything he was told.  So why go on a god damned rant about him not reporting something he saw.  He didn't witness shit.  He wouldn't understand it anyway.  That dude probably isn't really alive we will later find out.

Well motherfucker, maybe I wasn't addressing you, fucking drama queen.  And now that I am, if you ARE defending him, I don't have a sane fucking retort for your kind.

Another thing, there are people who say, "If I were the dad, mom, sister, cousin, I would have killed him".  Well, you don't know what you would do unless you were in that situation.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 06, 2011, 07:11:03 PM
At first Paterno did do the right thing by going to the administration. After nothing happened he should have then gone to the cops and said "My GA told me he witnessed a child raping" And let the cops go question the GA.

Anyone who says otherwise is just simply wrong.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 06, 2011, 07:19:41 PM
 :sick:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 06, 2011, 07:44:32 PM
See if you can read this without getting ill:

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf (http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf)

Sounds like this creep should have been put in jail in 1998 after the FUCKING cops recorded a conversation between Sandusky and the mother of one of the victims and then questioned by University Police!!!

Detective Schreffler advised Sandusky not to shower with any child again and Sandusky said he would not - This was in 19 fucking 98! Think of how many kids would have been protected from this man if he'd been put behind bars then.

Schreffler should be put in jail too if you ask me!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on November 06, 2011, 08:14:24 PM
Sounds like this creep should have been put in jail in 1998 after the FUCKING cops recorded a conversation between Sandusky and the mother of one of the victims and then questioned by University Police!!!

Detective Schreffler advised Sandusky not to shower with any child again and Sandusky said he would not - This was in 19 fucking 98! Think of how many kids would have been protected from this man if he'd been put behind bars then.

Schreffler should be put in jail too if you ask me!

Penn State has always been a creepy school.
Did you know a girl was stabbed to death in the library there in the 60's?  The case has never been solved.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Aardsma (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betsy_Aardsma)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 06, 2011, 08:55:23 PM
Sounds like this creep should have been put in jail in 1998 after the fricking cops recorded a conversation between Sandusky and the mother of one of the victims and then questioned by University Police!!!

Detective Schreffler advised Sandusky not to shower with any child again and Sandusky said he would not - This was in 19 fricking 98! Think of how many kids would have been protected from this man if he'd been put behind bars then.

Schreffler should be put in jail too if you ask me!

I was baffled at that, too.  Almost like they weren't phased by it.  Like its fairly normal.  "Hey, you probably shouldn't shower with young boys anymore in the team shower after getting caught anal raping a few there."  WTF  Its not like telling a guy that's tempted to drink too much to not go out with teammates or coworkers after the game/work so you won't be tempted.  He was molesting kids!  God dammit, people!  Poor, unprivileged kids can't protect themselves and need mentors and you just keep sending them back into the lion's den.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on November 06, 2011, 09:06:54 PM
PSU message board.

http://www.nittanyfootball.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=214314&an=0&page=0#Post214314
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 06, 2011, 11:32:12 PM
Here's one PSU fan's proposed solution.  You can't make this stuff up:

this is going to be ugly. There's a chance our AD is going to Jail. PSU has to do something to protect her image, as smeared as it is, and I'm wondering if that might include asking ... Paterno to temporarily become the AD.

 ???
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on November 07, 2011, 12:31:39 AM
PSU message board.
They use the gas station bathroom walls.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 07, 2011, 01:46:53 AM
AD and the VP of Business have "resigned" late Sun or early Monday, per CNN.com, following a wee hours Board of Trustees meeting.

Two Penn State university officials who are accused of misleading a grand jury in its investigation into child sexual abuse allegations against former coach Jerry Sandusky have stepped down, the university said early Monday morning.

Penn State Athletic Director Timothy Curley, 57, and Gary Schultz, 62, the university's senior vice president for finance and business, face charges of one count of perjury each
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 07, 2011, 02:54:21 AM
this is going to be ugly. There's a chance our AD is going to Jail. PSU has to do something to protect her image, as smeared as it is, and I'm wondering if that might include asking ... Paterno to temporarily become the AD.

(http://www.fybertech.com/4thread/v_55056307/1270693145305.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 07, 2011, 07:45:46 AM
Here's one PSU fan's proposed solution.  You can't make this stuff up:

this is going to be ugly. There's a chance our AD is going to Jail. PSU has to do something to protect her image, as smeared as it is, and I'm wondering if that might include asking ... Paterno to temporarily become the AD.

 ???

Yes that's a great idea, lets promote one of the fuckstains that knew about this shit for 10 years and didn't go to the police. And he's fucking senile to boot. They should nuke the entire university and start over.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 07, 2011, 10:01:37 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7201952/penn-state-nittany-lions-tim-curley-gary-schultz-step-amid-scandal (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7201952/penn-state-nittany-lions-tim-curley-gary-schultz-step-amid-scandal)

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Two top Penn State officials charged with covering up allegations of an explosive child-sex abuse scandal related to former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky vacated their positions Sunday after an emergency meeting of the university's Board of Trustees.

Penn State athletic director Tim Curley requested to be placed on administrative leave so he could devote the time needed to defend himself against perjury and other charges, university president Graham Spanier said. Gary Schultz, vice president for finance and business, will step down and go back into retirement, Spanier said. He declined to comment to reporters after the meeting.


Remain Calm! All is well!!!!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: mr.zorak on November 07, 2011, 01:37:01 PM
Kind of ironic that the name of the GA that witnessed the shower incident was named McQueary.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 07, 2011, 01:40:48 PM
Kind of ironic that the name of the GA that witnessed the shower incident was named McQueary.

...and he's a ginger to boot.  Its not ironic.  Its all kinds of fucked up.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 07, 2011, 01:55:11 PM
Per twitter Sandusky was working out at Penn State's gym last week. Excellent work Lions.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 07, 2011, 02:21:45 PM
Y'all should really read the report.  It is disgusting.

Believe it or not, Paterno and the GA are the only ones who did anything.  I say that not to absolve Paterno of culpability because he has plenty.  I understand him calling the AD and other exec (who was head of the campus PD) and making a reasonable assumption that the situation would be properly handled.  Once some time passed, any head coach with an ounce of decency would have at least followed up with a "where's the investigation, do I need to have this guy on my staff?"  He didn't do it, and that's where he earns responsibility for every victim after 2002.

But at least he didn't actively end a promising investigation.   The cops had a wire on a victim's phone back in 1998 and heard Sandusky admit to inappropriate behavior but the campus PD chief shut the whole thing down.

They're all going to jail.  JoPa's legacy will now be knowingly keeping a child molester on staff for a decade, and Penn State's going to write a bunch of checks that will make Nutt's buyout look like vending machine money.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 07, 2011, 02:27:16 PM
Y'all should really read the report.  It is disgusting.

Believe it or not, Paterno and the GA are the only ones who did anything.  I say that not to absolve Paterno of culpability because he has plenty.  I understand him calling the AD and other exec (who was head of the campus PD) and making a reasonable assumption that the situation would be properly handled.  Once some time passed, any head coach with an ounce of decency would have at least followed up with a "where's the investigation, do I need to have this guy on my staff?"  He didn't do it, and that's where he earns responsibility for every victim after 2002.

But at least he didn't actively end a promising investigation.   The cops had a wire on a victim's phone back in 1998 and heard Sandusky admit to inappropriate behavior but the campus PD chief shut the whole thing down.

They're all going to jail.  JoPa's legacy will now be knowingly keeping a child molester on staff for a decade, and Penn State's going to write a bunch of checks that will make Dead Man Walking's buyout look like vending machine money.

A detective also spoke to Sandusky and told him to stop showering with children. Should have been investigated back then. The detectives head should roll too.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: iNOVAhog on November 07, 2011, 05:35:59 PM
PSU had a serial pedophile using his position and state facilities to commit heinous crimes against children and then they cover it all up.  Looks like they used the Catholic Church playbook on this one.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LaMoHog on November 07, 2011, 05:49:10 PM
Just made it through that whole report. It's pretty bad when a guy has seen people killed in combat in Korea, and people are afraid he's having a heart attack when he tries to tell what he saw Sandusky doing.

Add Sandusky to the dead pool by his own hand.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 07, 2011, 05:58:59 PM
They find Victim 8 and this case is over.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 07, 2011, 06:26:15 PM
I'll never understand how people can know someone is harming a child and do nothing.  Its the most basic human instinct to protect children.

Sick, sorry fucks. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkRyan on November 07, 2011, 08:15:25 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqa9OvJvx2I

Must listen interview.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkRyan on November 07, 2011, 08:36:34 PM
16 minute and 19 minute marks are must listens. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on November 07, 2011, 08:49:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqa9OvJvx2I

Must listen interview.

Unbelievable...just wow. Crazy shit when they talk about the DA from 1998 who had the recording of those cops who hide in the house when the Mom confronted Sandusky went missing and his computer was found in a lake or whatever. Is it even possible that Penn State could have been involved in that as well?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 07, 2011, 08:52:25 PM
So the prosecutor who heard the confession, wouldn't file charges.  Then years later he goes missing and his harddrive with the evidence ends up ruined in a lake?  And he's still missing and declared legally dead but no body found.

Wow.

I don't know if Pennsylvania law lets the governor or AG appoint a special proecutor with an independent investigative force but somebody outside of Happy Valley with balls and independence needs to sweep in send some people to hell.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 07, 2011, 09:06:07 PM
So the prosecutor who heard the confession, wouldn't file charges.  Then years later he goes missing and his harddrive with the evidence ends up ruined in a lake?  And he's still missing and declared legally dead but no body found.

Wow.

I don't know if Pennsylvania law lets the governor or AG appoint a special proecutor with an independent investigative force but somebody outside of Happy Valley with balls and independence needs to sweep in send some people to Starkville.

If you had written this as a screen play or novel it would've been rejected for being too far-fetched.

After reading many arguments on here and elsewhere I have been convinced that Paterno does have culpability in this.  While I don't think that he personally  should have gone to the policy I do think he should have kept after his bosses about the issue and then if that didn't work should have driven the GA to the police station so he could report it to the police.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Sauce on November 07, 2011, 09:12:25 PM
If you had written this as a screen play or novel it would've been rejected for being too far-fetched.

After reading many arguments on here and elsewhere I have been convinced that Paterno does have culpability in this.  While I don't think that he personally  should have gone to the policy I do think he should have kept after his bosses about the issue and then if that didn't work should have driven the GA to the police station so he could report it to the police.


This story just boggles the mind.  It will definitely become a book/movie at some point
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 07, 2011, 09:13:56 PM
It's obvious that Paterno fired him in 1999 because of the allegations, but all that did was give him more time to troll for kiddies because Joe let him keep all his access to the program. Joe was told AGAIN in 2002 and still did very little to make it stop. In 2007 Sandusky was seen at a CLOSED practice with a little boy. In 2009 Sandusky was allowed to have a fucking childrens SLEEPOVER at the Penn State Campus!!!!!!!!!!  :stunned:  :sick: :puke:

Paterno carries a lot of blame here.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 07, 2011, 09:14:30 PM
If you had written this as a screen play or novel it would've been rejected for being too far-fetched.

After reading many arguments on here and elsewhere I have been convinced that Paterno does have culpability in this.  While I don't think that he personally  should have gone to the policy I do think he should have kept after his bosses about the issue and then if that didn't work should have driven the GA to the police station so he could report it to the police.

Paterno and the GA should be held accountable.  Educators have a duty by law to report child abuse to authorities.  Not pass the buck, but to the law.

They broke the law by not doing so.  This is the most fuctuptist thing I have ever heard.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 07, 2011, 09:19:35 PM
It's obvious that Paterno fired him in 1999 because of the allegations, but all that did was give him more time to troll for kiddies because Joe let him keep all his access to the program. Joe was told AGAIN in 2002 and still did very little to make it stop. In 2007 Sandusky was seen at a CLOSED practice with a little boy. In 2009 Sandusky was allowed to have a fricking childrens SLEEPOVER at the Penn State Campus!!!!!!!!!!  :stunned:  :sick: :puke:

Paterno carries a lot of blame here.

I wonder what Jackie Sherrill is thinking right now.l
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 07, 2011, 09:24:43 PM
Paterno and the GA should be held accountable.  Educators have a duty by law to report child abuse to authorities.  Not pass the buck, but to the law.

They broke the law by not doing so.  This is the most fuctuptist thing I have ever heard.

The GA? He reported Sandusky and did more than anyone else in this whole case. While I do think he should've gone to the police 1st, I don't think he should be charged too. He did not try to cover it up.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkRyan on November 07, 2011, 09:29:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLxnfllkGYI&feature=related
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 07, 2011, 09:31:32 PM
Very disturbing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW0WCUEOqc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Very disturbing, indeed.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 07, 2011, 09:38:25 PM
The GA? He reported Sandusky and did more than anyone else in this whole case. While I do think he should've gone to the police 1st, I don't think he should be charged too. He did not try to cover it up.

I fall into one of the categories that has to, by law, report suspected child abuse to the authorities.  It does not matter that he did not try to cover it up.  He is bound by the letter of the law, as an educator, to report it to authorities.  He kept his job (and got promoted) without being compliant with the law, while seeing this guy with other children.  I fault him.  The law should as well.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 07, 2011, 10:22:09 PM
In 2009 Sandusky was allowed to have a fucking childrens SLEEPOVER


This was a terrible idea.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 07, 2011, 10:53:04 PM

This was a terrible idea.

No doubt that was a bad idea.  It would not  have continued if people that knew about it wold have done the right thing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 07, 2011, 11:01:42 PM
No doubt that was a bad idea.  It would not  have continued if people that knew about it wold have done the right thing.

I think you missed the joke.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 07, 2011, 11:02:27 PM
No doubt that was a bad idea.  It would not  have continued if people that knew about it wold have done the right thing.

We must respect other cultures.  In some places, "hiring those who do not intervene when they witness the rape of a young child" is considered acceptable.  Those places are Pennsylvania.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 07, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
We must respect other cultures.  In some places, "hiring those who do not intervene when they witness the rape of a young child" is considered acceptable.  Those places are Pennsylvania.

I was working in Delaware last Summer and a pediatrician was indicted for molesting kids for years. What made matters worse was he had been reported numerous times and no charges were filed.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/delaware-pediatrician-earl-bradley-indicted-103-counts-sexual/story?id=9921990#.Tri4WfSAq0s (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/delaware-pediatrician-earl-bradley-indicted-103-counts-sexual/story?id=9921990#.Tri4WfSAq0s)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20073803-504083.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20073803-504083.html)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 07, 2011, 11:10:45 PM
I was working in Delaware last Summer and a pediatrician was indicted for molesting kids for years. What made matters worse was he had been reported numerous times and no charges were filed.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/delaware-pediatrician-earl-bradley-indicted-103-counts-sexual/story?id=9921990#.Tri4WfSAq0s (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/delaware-pediatrician-earl-bradley-indicted-103-counts-sexual/story?id=9921990#.Tri4WfSAq0s)

The shitty wife of the shitty child-beating Texas judge must be thrilled about the shitty penis of Jerry Sandusky and his enablers tonight.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hognarok on November 08, 2011, 08:02:11 AM
Paterno's press conference should be interesting today.  Apparently its only about this weekend's football game.  I for one hope this scenario plays out:


Reporter #1:  Can you please comment on the whole children being molested by your former coach?
Paterno:  No comment.  This press conference is about this weekend's game only.
Reporter #2:  Since you won't answer that last question could you at least pass it on to your superiors?
Paterno: /stunned
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 08, 2011, 08:07:52 AM
Reporter #1:  Can you please comment on the whole children being molested by your former coach?

That could be trouble when spoken aloud.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 08, 2011, 08:25:50 AM
If you were to not know what either looked like, which picture would you think did the raping?  The ones above or this one, the V.P. for finance and administration at Penn St.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 08, 2011, 08:30:27 AM
One thing Kim Jones pointed out in the youtube video above is that in 1998 and in 2002 Joe Pa was not the frail senile old man he is today. Back then everyone remarked on how young he still was. Senility cannot be blamed for him not following up with the police after learning Sandusky was a rapist.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 08, 2011, 08:47:26 AM
Quote
COLLEGE FOOTBALL: CITRUS BOWL; Taylor's Record Runs Lift Florida

By TARIK EL-BASHIR
Published: January 02, 1998


It was the final game of a distinguished career for Florida's Fred Taylor, whose record-setting performance today against Penn State would be one he won't forget.

''I just wanted to go out with a bang my senior year,'' Taylor said. ''We thought we could run all over them.''

And Taylor did, carrying 43 times for 234 yards as Florida ran over Penn State, 21-6, before a crowd of 72,940 at the Citrus Bowl.

Taylor's performance was the best of his career, the best in a bowl game by a Florida running back and the best in the 52-year history of the Citrus Bowl. In Gators history, Taylor's effort was second only to Emmitt Smith's 316 yards against New Mexico in a 1989 regular-season game.

Penn State's defense simply could not stop Taylor. And Penn State's offense, without the all-America tailback Curtis Enis and the outstanding wide receiver Joe Jurevicius, who were both ineligible, simply could not score a touchdown.

Twice in the second quarter, the Nittany Lions were halted on fourth-down plays inside the Florida 2-yard line. Mike McQueary, the Nittany Lions' quarterback, never missed the powerful legs of Enis and the sure hands of Jurevicius so much.

The first goal-line attempt failed when running back Chris Eberly was stopped a half-foot from the goal line by a swarming Gators defense, led by Tim Beauchamp. The second attempt, on the Nittany Lions' next possession, failed when McQueary's pass was picked off by free safety Mike Harris.

''The goal-line stands were probably the turning point of the game,'' said Steve Spurrier, who won for the 83d time in his 100-game career as Florida's coach. ''We handed the ball to Fred Taylor and tried not to beat ourselves. He was sensational.''

Florida and Penn State started the season as the teams to beat. Back in August, Penn State was ranked No. 1 in the Associated Press preseason poll of reporters and the Gators were picked to win the national title in the USA Today/ESPN coaches poll.

''I thought we'd be in Pasadena,'' Penn State linebacker Brandon Short said. ''But it didn't work out.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/02/sports/college-football-citrus-bowl-taylor-s-record-runs-lift-florida.html
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 08, 2011, 09:06:35 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/02/sports/college-football-citrus-bowl-taylor-s-record-runs-lift-florida.html
Needs to be tweaked. I spent about five minutes clicking on that red text in the article. Nothing. Link is broken, sir. Fix and repost, please.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 08, 2011, 09:23:22 AM

Mike McQueary, the Nittany Lions' quarterback, never missed the powerful legs of Enis

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: CharlieHog on November 08, 2011, 10:13:08 AM
http://www.registerguard.com/web/sports/27142688-41/state-penn-paterno-coach-sandusky.html.csp

Quote
Does anyone believe the coach fulfilled the moral requirement?

No, Paterno failed. And it is time for him to go.

Plenty of other heads should roll. The athletic director and vice president are finished, whatever happens in court. Penn State president Graham Spanier should be gone, too. There’s culpability everywhere in this disgusting, sordid mess.

McQueary failed, too, and I don’t care that he was a low-level employee and Sandusky was a powerful presence. And anyone else who knew and did nothing should be summarily dismissed.

You too, JoePa.

And please, spare us the hand-wringing over a tarnished legacy.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 08, 2011, 11:00:53 AM
I'm not excusing this guy but the only one I would give any slack to would be the G.A.  He had to be no more than 23 or so and a kid.  He did what most kids do when they see trouble, he called Dad.  Dad gave him instructions from there.  He trusted that those in power over him would do the right thing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 08, 2011, 11:13:03 AM
Penn St. is planning Paterno's exit:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?adxnnl=1&src=tp&adxnnlx=1320772334-k1lsg8Q92CWn+ACg/3EUzw
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TC on November 08, 2011, 11:18:32 AM
Paterno's press conference should be interesting today.  Apparently its only about this weekend's football game.  I for one hope this scenario plays out:


Reporter #1:  Can you please comment on the whole children being molested by your former coach?
Paterno:  No comment.  This press conference is about this weekend's game only.
Reporter #2:  Since you won't answer that last question could you at least pass it on to your superiors?
Paterno: /stunned

Paterno cancels news conference amid scandal

http://news.yahoo.com/paterno-cancels-news-conference-amid-scandal-164436956.html
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 08, 2011, 11:19:37 AM
I'm not excusing this guy but the only one I would give any slack to would be the G.A.  He had to be no more than 23 or so and a kid.  He did what most kids do when they see trouble, he called Dad.  Dad gave him instructions from there.  He trusted that those in power over him would do the right thing.

Yes to a point.

Where he fails is that he stayed with the program and continued to see Sandusky with kids as late as a couple of years ago.  For close to 10 years, he got up and went to work knowing what was happening.

Every time he came in after hours, walked past the showers, or merely saw Sandusky's picture on the wall he had to think that it's possible he's off farking some kid right now.  How he stayed without becoming a drunk, druggie, or suicide victim is beyond me. 

Truth be told, I don't see how he kept from whipping Sandusky's ass when he caught him way back in 2002.  I'm pretty confident I would have reacted with violence.

As the facts look now, he's guilty of a serious moral failure too.  Not as bad as JoePa, but serious none the less.

He does have a possible salvation.  This looks like an investigation done by the state AG's office.  Someone tipped them off and got the ball rolling.  If it was the GA, then I retract my statements.



Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hawgfanatic on November 08, 2011, 12:36:47 PM
Yes to a point.

Where he fails is that he stayed with the program and continued to see Sandusky with kids as late as a couple of years ago.  For close to 10 years, he got up and went to work knowing what was happening.

Every time he came in after hours, walked past the showers, or merely saw Sandusky's picture on the wall he had to think that it's possible he's off farking some kid right now.  How he stayed without becoming a drunk, druggie, or suicide victim is beyond me. 

Truth be told, I don't see how he kept from whipping Sandusky's ass when he caught him way back in 2002.  I'm pretty confident I would have reacted with violence.

As the facts look now, he's guilty of a serious moral failure too.  Not as bad as JoePa, but serious none the less.

He does have a possible salvation.  This looks like an investigation done by the state AG's office.  Someone tipped them off and got the ball rolling.  If it was the GA, then I retract my statements.

I think you're safe in your statement. According to the Kim Jones interview posted earlier (a must listen to if you're following this), I think it was a local school that Sandusky was "volunteering" at to help children that blew the whistle and got the investigation going this time around.

I've tried to defend in my mind the GA just because he was 23 at the time and dealing with somebody that everybody looked up to, but you make some great points and there's more in the Kim Jones interview about the very scenario you talk about (the GA - now assistant coach - seeing Sandusky at closed practices with kids) that you would like to think would make him want to make sure somebody in the right positions knew what was going on.

Just a sickening story all the way around.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 08, 2011, 12:52:49 PM
Paterno was asked to resign.  He said no.  Fuck em
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 08, 2011, 12:53:16 PM
Yes to a point.

Where he fails is that he stayed with the program and continued to see Sandusky with kids as late as a couple of years ago.  For close to 10 years, he got up and went to work knowing what was happening.

Every time he came in after hours, walked past the showers, or merely saw Sandusky's picture on the wall he had to think that it's possible he's off farking some kid right now.  How he stayed without becoming a drunk, druggie, or suicide victim is beyond me. 

Truth be told, I don't see how he kept from whipping Sandusky's ass when he caught him way back in 2002.  I'm pretty confident I would have reacted with violence.

As the facts look now, he's guilty of a serious moral failure too.  Not as bad as JoePa, but serious none the less.

He does have a possible salvation.  This looks like an investigation done by the state AG's office.  Someone tipped them off and got the ball rolling.  If it was the GA, then I retract my statements.

I see your point but you have to look at it psychologically.  Elephants are controlled when they are very young by placing a chain around their ankle that hurts and they can't break.  Older elephants are controlled by small pieces of rope because it is instilled in them even though they could very easily break that rope.

This boy at 23 or so saw a much older coach who was probably regarded as a badass.  In his mind, he couldn't do anything to that coach.   I believe that is why he didn't whip his ass right then and there.

The boy then was rewarded for his "silence" by being given progressively better jobs in the department.  That part is inexcusable.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bleedinred on November 08, 2011, 01:24:51 PM
I see your point but you have to look at it psychologically.  Elephants are controlled when they are very young by placing a chain around their ankle that hurts and they can't break.  Older elephants are controlled by small pieces of rope because it is instilled in them even though they could very easily break that rope.

This boy at 23 or so saw a much older coach who was probably regarded as a badass.  In his mind, he couldn't do anything to that coach.   I believe that is why he didn't whip his ass right then and there.

The boy then was rewarded for his "silence" by being given progressively better jobs in the department.  That part is inexcusable.

Why didn't the GA's dad follow up?  It was quite clear in the Grand Jury report that the GA revealed in detail to his father all that he had seen.  Seems to me he is just as much to blame.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Ty Webb on November 08, 2011, 01:28:44 PM
Paterno was asked to resign.  He said no.  frick em
Fire that old senile fricker and start cleaning up this mess at your school PSU.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 08, 2011, 01:30:44 PM
I see your point but you have to look at it psychologically.  Elephants are controlled when they are very young by placing a chain around their ankle that hurts and they can't break.  Older elephants are controlled by small pieces of rope because it is instilled in them even though they could very easily break that rope.

This boy at 23 or so saw a much older coach who was probably regarded as a badass.  In his mind, he couldn't do anything to that coach.   I believe that is why he didn't whip his ass right then and there.

Deep down, I understand that part and fully admit it is hard for me to honestly place myself in his shoes.  I'm a lot older and I work for a law enforcement agency that regularly prosecutes cases like this one.

I don't like it, but he has to get a pass for 2002 and the time shortly thereafter for the reasons you stated.

The boy then was rewarded for his "silence" by being given progressively better jobs in the department.  That part is inexcusable.

This is where I get crossways with him.  He's gotten progressively rewarded and some of that has to be at least tacitly in exchange for his silence.  If nothing else happens, I guess you could still argue that he gets a pass. 

But in 2007 Sandusky shows up at a closed practice with another victim.  The GA knows exactly what's about to happen to that kid and he knows the school will cover it up.  He's no longer a wet behind the ears assistant in 2007.  He's a grown man.  All he had to do was walk into the state police barracks or state AG's office and tell his tale but apparently he does nothing at all.

Inexcusable.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 08, 2011, 01:43:39 PM
But in 2007 Sandusky shows up at a closed practice with another victim.  The GA knows exactly what's about to happen to that kid and he knows the school will cover it up.  He's no longer a wet behind the ears assistant in 2007.  He's a grown man.  All he had to do was walk into the state police barracks or state AG's office and tell his tale but apparently he does nothing at all.

Inexcusable.

HOW THE FUCK DOES ANYONE NOT ASK "WHY IS JERRY WITH THAT KID?"

It's beyond inexcusable... it's fucking disgusting.

The level of complete disregard of any moral standing is absurd.
If they'll cover up child rape, they'll cover up anything.

The Big Ten's silence is pretty disgusting as well.
House should be cleaned. Big Ten needs to kick their ass out of the conference.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 08, 2011, 01:45:06 PM
Fire that old senile fricker and start cleaning up this mess at your school PSU.

Yes.  There are Penn St fans saying JoePa should be excused since he did the bare minimum necessary. In this case, the bare minimum isn't even a humane (or human) response.  I feel sick just thinking about what happened, I can't imagine just doing "just enough" and then going about your business like it's not that big of a deal.

If this was some 40 year old head coach, with no deeply rooted ties to the school, he'd already be fired.  Paterno is getting a pass (from some) because they're romanticizing his tenure there.  His tenure is tarnished beyond repair.  Fire him and clean house.   
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 08, 2011, 01:47:21 PM
Paterno was asked to resign.  He said no.  Fuck em

link?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on November 08, 2011, 01:54:36 PM

I find it hard to believe Paterno didn't know the details of what the GA saw. 

If a GA walks into your office and tells you that he saw Sandusky doing inappropriate things with a little boy in the showers, the first question you should ask is something to the effect of "what kind of inappropriate things?"  Otherwise, how do you know if the incident is serious enough to be reported to your superiors in the first place?

Either he knew the details and he's lying now about not knowing them or he wilfully didn't ask for the details because he already knew Sandusky had a problem with boys and didn't want to get involved, so he didn't ask for any details and passed the buck on to others at the school.

The Commonwealth of Pennsylvania may not be able to prove it in a court proceeding, but I think Paterno's lying about that part of things.  It just doesn't make any sense otherwise.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 08, 2011, 01:55:31 PM
link?

KegsnEggs Adam Kramer
RT @RappUp Times article confirms what I heard this morning. The Board of Trustees voted Paterno out, he was asked to resign and refused.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 08, 2011, 01:57:54 PM
Doesn't Rick Shaeffer have a similar charity that sucks at the teat of the UA??? I hate to say it but it would not surprise me to find out he's  up to something similar. That is one creepy man.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 08, 2011, 02:04:40 PM
It's over for Paterno. What parent would let their kid play for him at this point?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 08, 2011, 02:07:32 PM
^^^^ Dude, you are totally off base there.  I didn't quote it to give you a chance to remove it.  @BD
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Nolapigz on November 08, 2011, 02:14:50 PM
^^^^ Dude, you are totally off base there.  I didn't quote it to give you a chance to remove it.  @BD

Seriously, I don't care for the guy either but WTF?  That's one hell of a leap there. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 08, 2011, 02:26:06 PM
Two of the mothers speak out.  It's sad how they got victimized by that puke Sandusky, then the Penn State machine:

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mothers_of_two_of_jerry_sandus.html
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogs Smell Good on November 08, 2011, 03:02:17 PM
If there was ever a case for Lack of Institutional Control, this is it.  New victims are coming forward today, and we're about to witness this entire program go down hard.  Alumni are already burning their degrees on campus, and fans are clamoring to cancel the season and to self-impose the death penalty.  No way JoePa makes it through the weekend.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 08, 2011, 03:04:38 PM
What's all the fuss about...
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 08, 2011, 03:18:41 PM
Penn State will still let you sign up your kids for ...

(http://store.cstv.com/store/Vendor463/fullscale/psu-kidsclub-c.gif)

All you have to do is provide their full name, date of birth, grade at school, and e-mail.

http://store.cstv.com/store_contents.cfm?store_id=463&dept_id=17602&product_id=195029 (http://store.cstv.com/store_contents.cfm?store_id=463&dept_id=17602&product_id=195029)

Your kids can get free tickets to on campus events, including basketball, baseball, and volleyball games, and sign up for "Access to special Kids Club web activities and online games."   :o

"exclusively for Penn State fans in the 8th grade or younger.'
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: 1st_down_streak on November 08, 2011, 03:20:35 PM
What's all the fuss about...
(http://woopig.net/board/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=78006.0;attach=61480;image)
Hey, I just shit myself. What are you gonna do?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 08, 2011, 03:38:40 PM
If this wasn't such a distasteful story, there's about a dozen photoshop/gif opportunities in this one pic. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 08, 2011, 03:39:39 PM
What's all the fuss about...


(http://www.leconcombre.com/concpost/us/postcard4/alfred_e_neuman.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shortstop6 on November 08, 2011, 03:50:02 PM
What's all the fuss about...

At least he isn't driving.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on November 08, 2011, 03:50:03 PM
What's all the fuss about...


He needs a PR specialist with him, apparently.

That photo reeks of out of touch with reality. 

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: pwayne on November 08, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
Hell, euthanize them all. Kthx.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 08, 2011, 04:28:22 PM
If one goes back to the original PD investigation, am I correct thinking that was the Penn State Campus Police that had the goods and dropped the investigation?  I don't understand how colleges have their own police department jurisdictions.  IMO, these campus cops should do nothing but direct traffic on game day, hand out parking tickets, and give folks directions.  Real crimes should belong to the local real law enforcement agency. 

This whole story reeks.  I hope the victims are able to come forward and get what remains of Sandusky's money before the lawyers eat it up, and also get a chunk from the state.  The tax guys need to come see him as well about his charitable organization and how he spent his money on treats to seduce these kids.

Unbelievable.  Fuck them all.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 08, 2011, 04:32:39 PM
I'm not excusing this guy but the only one I would give any slack to would be the G.A.  He had to be no more than 23 or so and a kid.  He did what most kids do when they see trouble, he called Dad.  Dad gave him instructions from there.  He trusted that those in power over him would do the right thing.
I thought he was 28.

Regardless, I hope he burns too. Even 23 is PLENTY old enough to know that an innocent having their face planted on to a shower floor while being raped by a grown man is inherently wrong.

We're not talking about some dorky nerd GA, we're talking about a guy that played football. He SHOULD HAVE done something right then. Much less let it continue and then take several promotions at that same program and hang around with that knowledge for ten fucking years.

Absurd.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 08, 2011, 04:59:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-zuVAWUzM&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razorback Jedi on November 08, 2011, 05:02:36 PM
I thought he was 28.

Regardless, I hope he burns too. Even 23 is PLENTY old enough to know that an innocent having their face planted on to a shower floor while being raped by a grown man is inherently wrong.

We're not talking about some dorky nerd GA, we're talking about a guy that played football. He SHOULD HAVE done something right then. Much less let it continue and then take several promotions at that same program and hang around with that knowledge for ten fricking years.

Absurd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY6pYUjMRBY
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 08, 2011, 05:50:34 PM

He needs a PR specialist with him, apparently.

That photo reeks of out of touch with reality.

Exactly. I'm not making excuses for his lack of inaction 15 yrs. ago but to think he has any grasp of reality at 84 is ludicrous. There is much truth to the phrase "Once a man, twice a child." And yet we have states in our country that have continued to elect men older than he to represent them in congress. Asinine!!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Mike Slive on November 08, 2011, 06:28:15 PM
So will the GA use the Casey Anthony defense?  He had better have sucked his dad, and his granddad off to be that sorry of an individual.  Raping kids is worse than murder, IMO.  Hell, I expect a raped kid to end up murdering someone or even becoming a member of the tea party somewhere down the line.  We aren't talking about seeing him spanking the child too hard or being too handsy, this scum bag was using his position to prey on kids and dude can sleep at night?  God gives you a lot of decisions in life, this is the one you can fail and never redeem yourself.  Hope coaching at Penn St was worth it to all those sorry bastards.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 08, 2011, 06:38:55 PM
Listening to Wally on the way home they said Joe Pa was conducting an impromptu press conference from his home and that it was blowing up on Twitter, anyone heard about this?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 08, 2011, 06:41:59 PM
What's all the fuss about...

Is he...SMILING?  realstunned
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 08, 2011, 06:43:13 PM
What's the big deal? I'm a busy guy with a football programz to run. I'm 84 and break a leg every season. The Board of Directors asked me to resign and I said "no." And I just shit myself. What you gonna do?

Edit:  Too Harsh?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 08, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
What's the big deal? I'm a busy guy with a football programz to run. I'm 84 and break a leg every season. The Board of Directors asked me to resign and I said "no." And I just shit myself. What you gonna do?

Edit:  Too Harsh?

in this case, FTW = fuck the world
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 08, 2011, 06:51:43 PM
Up to 20 victims...
greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Staggering moment tonight: Blindly loyal Penn State kids chanting "Beat Nebraska" on Joe Paterno's lawn

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/08/joe-paternos-living-room-window-press-conference-or-penn-state-fans-are-delusional/

Joe Paterno’s Living Room Window Press Conference Or: Penn State Fans Are Delusional
College FootballStephen Douglas (CRM!)November 8th. 2011, 7:30pm
Obviously, this Penn State mess is, well, a mess. Tonight an untold number of Penn State students and fans gathered outside embattled head coach Joe Paterno’s (I’m just guessing) state-funded home in Happy Valley. These kids are delusional and disappointing.

Can you really blame them? They grew up watching mighty Penn State and its legendary Hall of Fame head coach. Penn State is their school. Their parents all have “Proud Parents of a Nittany Lion” stickers in the back window of their cars. Now the entire world has turned against their school and their coach. They don’t see a man who at the very least, turned a blind eye to a monster taking advantage of helpless children for untold years. All they see is their coach — a proud man who would rather die coaching games than live watching them.

It is puppy love at its most pathetic. That is why they can do nothing but chant and march is support of a man who will soon be asked to leave their campus. That is why we get idiots like this guy with his smarmy “Occupy McKee St” sign. They are stupid kids who can not grasp what they are doing. So pity them. Pity the fact that they rally in support as the number of victims doubled in a day. They are young and they know not what they do. Though it seems even when you are old enough to know what you do at Penn State, you don’t do the right thing either.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Southern Yeoman on November 08, 2011, 07:02:43 PM
Hell, euthanize them all. Kthx.

Good Lord.

Hell, I expect a raped kid to end up murdering someone or even becoming a member of the tea party somewhere down the line.

A little perspective, please.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 08, 2011, 07:28:09 PM
Maybe Pete Townsend was right.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on November 08, 2011, 07:40:09 PM
So will the GA use the Casey Anthony defense?  He had better have sucked his dad, and his granddad off to be that sorry of an individual.  Raping kids is worse than murder, IMO.  Hell, I expect a raped kid to end up murdering someone or even becoming a member of the tea party somewhere down the line.  We aren't talking about seeing him spanking the child too hard or being too handsy, this scum bag was using his position to prey on kids and dude can sleep at night?  God gives you a lot of decisions in life, this is the one you can fail and never redeem yourself.  Hope coaching at Penn St was worth it to all those sorry bastards.

So, being a member of the tea party is worse than murdering someone?  WTF? 

Take the cheese dick political shit to that other thread.  You know, the one where all the leftists hang out?

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkRyan on November 08, 2011, 07:50:45 PM
Paterno is a giant piece of shit.  I can't believe that press conference at his house. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 08, 2011, 07:51:59 PM
Us 5 percenters are the real victims here.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 08, 2011, 07:56:09 PM
Paterno is a giant piece of shit.  I can't believe that press conference at his house.


Agree. Their Board of Trustees better grow a pair really quick and start cleaning house before they end up like SMU except without the help of the NCAA.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 08, 2011, 07:57:02 PM
Paterno is a giant piece of shit.  I can't believe that press conference at his house.

What was said during this press conference?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkRyan on November 08, 2011, 08:03:07 PM
What was said during this press conference?

tough life for those kids when certain things happen to you, but anyways, thanks for supporting me and I love Penn St too.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 08, 2011, 08:08:05 PM
Did you really expect him to take time out of one of his last decades to report a run of the mill anal rape on a 10yr old?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 08, 2011, 08:10:48 PM
What was said during this press conference?

It wasn't a press conference.

He just addressed the crowd outside of his house.


He said something along the lines of how long he had coached and ramble ramble ramble to pray for the victims and their families.
Probably should've said that 10 fucking years ago.

I want to know how his son Scott is all the sudden his spokesman and everything. What the hell is he gaining by getting all involved in this? Just... weird.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 08, 2011, 08:13:04 PM
His son Scott is his attorney.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 08, 2011, 08:15:50 PM
If there are 20 reported victims, there are 80 others not reported.  Young men are not very forthcoming about being child-raped.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Buffinator on November 08, 2011, 08:20:24 PM
If there are 20 reported victims, there are 80 others not reported.  Young men are not very forthcoming about being child-raped.

But we're all very glad you were able to return to a decently normal life again.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 08, 2011, 08:20:47 PM
It wasn't a press conference.

He just addressed the crowd outside of his house.

He said something along the lines of how long he had coached and ramble ramble ramble to pray for the victims and their families.
Probably should've said that 10 fucking years ago.

I want to know how his son Scott is all the sudden his spokesman and everything. What the hell is he gaining by getting all involved in this? Just... weird.

Link?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 08, 2011, 08:20:59 PM
His son Scott is his attorney.

What's he, like 60?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 08, 2011, 08:24:06 PM
His son Scott is his attorney.

See I didnt know that and I haven't seen that info anywhere. Thanks.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 08, 2011, 08:25:29 PM
Link?

http://deadspin.com/5857689/a-weeping-joe-paterno-just-spoke-to-students-gathered-outside-his-living-room-window
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 08, 2011, 08:25:58 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=news/crime&id=8423965
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VegasHog on November 08, 2011, 08:30:32 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=news/crime&id=8423965

"The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

Good Fucking Lord! No wonder PSU did not want the guy anywhere near a press conference today.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 08, 2011, 08:32:34 PM
What's he, like 60?
See I didnt know that and I haven't seen that info anywhere. Thanks.

He is Paterno's youngest child.

And I was unaware he was his attorney as well until Van Pelt mentioned it today on his show. He played a clip of reporters questioning Paterno on the way to practice and Scott kept saying no more questions, Joe has nothing more to say at this time. That's paraphrased by the way.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 08, 2011, 08:34:37 PM
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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 08, 2011, 08:36:11 PM
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/feature?section=news/crime&id=8423965


No words.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: razor5396 on November 08, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
After watching that stupid little house press conference, I am thoroughly convinced there is a special place in hell for JoePa.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on November 08, 2011, 08:42:32 PM
Fuck the GA that saw this too.  23 is a MAN.  As a MAN, you are supposed to protect children.  Doing nothing makes you just damn near as bad as the person doing the rape.  23, 30, 40,whatever, you are a fucking man and are expected to act as such.  When you see someone doing something to a child, take action.  It is your duty and responsibility.  If you don't, you are just as bad.  Fuck that piece of shit pussy.  I don't give a fuck what Sanduscky's position was, when you see someone doing something to a child, you act. 

Sandusky has a sickness and should probably be put down like a rabid animal.  This GA just suffered from a case of pussy.  This goes for everyone else who knew about it too.  FUck them.  I hope they get charged with conspiracy or whatever.  However, my main scorn is for the person that SAW it happen and did fucking nothing.  Yes, telling someone and then living with it is doing NOTHING.  He should have taken the nearest blunt object and beaten him to death in the shower that evening.  He is responsible for every other rape after.  I hope they all fucking burn in hell.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 08, 2011, 08:47:46 PM
I totally agree that Paterno not following up on what he was told by McQueary and then told his bosses was 100% morally wrong and he should be held accountable for that. However, taking shots at an 84 yr old man that is most likely not in control of his bodily functions ALL of the time and expecting him to form a cognizant rational response to this scandal is asking a bit much. Attack the man for his failure for not following up and protecting other youths but don't attack him because he's addled and senile. Like I said there is a whole lot of truth in the adage, Once a man, twice a child.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Ty Webb on November 08, 2011, 08:52:08 PM
.
So Jerry has a brother, Larry, who was molesting kids too?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Kill The Ref on November 08, 2011, 08:54:42 PM
"The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

Good fricking Lord! No wonder PSU did not want the guy anywhere near a press conference today.
Holy Shit!


p.s. College students are really the stupidest people on the face of the earth. I'm almost ashamed that I was one for about 10 years of my life.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on November 08, 2011, 08:55:40 PM

No words.

I've been working a lot and getting caught up here.....but damn! These assholes are more delusional and bat shit crazy than ANY SEC school. They don't seem to see any real problem with Joe. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 08, 2011, 08:56:30 PM
Fuck the GA that saw this too.  23 is a MAN.  As a MAN, you are supposed to protect children.  Doing nothing makes you just damn near as bad as the person doing the rape.  23, 30, 40,whatever, you are a fucking man and are expected to act as such.  When you see someone doing something to a child, take action.  It is your duty and responsibility.  If you don't, you are just as bad.  Fuck that piece of shit pussy.  I don't give a fuck what Sanduscky's position was, when you see someone doing something to a child, you act. 

Sandusky has a sickness and should probably be put down like a rabid animal.  This GA just suffered from a case of pussy.  This goes for everyone else who knew about it too.  FUck them.  I hope they get charged with conspiracy or whatever.  However, my main scorn is for the person that SAW it happen and did fucking nothing.  Yes, telling someone and then living with it is doing NOTHING.  He should have taken the nearest blunt object and beaten him to death in the shower that evening.  He is responsible for every other rape after.  I hope they all fucking burn in hell.

I see where you are coming from but unless you have been in that position, you just don't know how you would react.  Of course you are still responsible for however you did or didn't act.  There are a lot of pussies in this world, I don't know if I would classify the GA as one.  I'd have to see and hear him to know.

BTW- I DON'T believe in the death penalty or suicide but Sandusky ought to really get to be friends with a bullet if he owns one.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 08, 2011, 09:00:37 PM
I see where you are coming from but unless you have been in that position, you just don't know how you would react.  Of course you are still responsible for however you did or didn't act.  There are a lot of putheys in this world, I don't know if I would classify the GA as one.  I'd have to see and hear him to know.

BTW- I DON'T believe in the death penalty or suicide but Sandusky ought to really get to be friends with a bullet if he owns one.


Your take on this is bizarre. If you ever see a senior citizen ass raping a 10 year old, please intervene and then call the authorities.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 08, 2011, 09:07:04 PM
So Jerry has a brother, Larry, who was molesting kids too?

I am teh suxxor. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: WPFM on November 08, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
I totally agree that Paterno not following up on what he was told by McQueary and then told his bosses was 100% morally wrong and he should be held accountable for that. However, taking shots at an 84 yr old man that is most likely not in control of his bodily functions ALL of the time and expecting him to form a cognizant rational response to this scandal is asking a bit much. Attack the man for his failure for not following up and protecting other youths but don't attack him because he's addled and senile. Like I said there is a whole lot of truth in the adage, Once a man, twice a child.

Frank Broyles used to get attacked for being addled and senile, but he doesn't anymore.  Do you know why?  It's not because his condition cleared up, and it's not because all the meanies suddenly found Jesus and decided to get on board the nicey-nice train.  Folks don't care anymore that JFB is batshit crazy because he's no longer in charge of anything except eating catfish, losing his car keys, and trying to prod disinterested rugrats to call the hogs on a beach somewhere.  If, however, you're an 84 yr old addled and senile man who is also an AD or a head coach whose job duties include overseeing the well-being of kids and coaching staffs, I don't think a HEY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOU ADDLED AND SENILE OLD FART? is out of line at all.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 08, 2011, 09:49:46 PM
Frank Broyles used to get attacked for being addled and senile, but he doesn't anymore.  Do you know why?  It's not because his condition cleared up, and it's not because all the meanies suddenly found Jesus and decided to get on board the nicey-nice train.  Folks don't care anymore that JFB is batshit crazy because he's no longer in charge of anything except eating catfish, losing his car keys, and trying to prod disinterested rugrats to call the hogs on a beach somewhere.  If, however, you're an 84 yr old addled and senile man who is also an AD or a head coach whose job duties include overseeing the well-being of kids and coaching staffs, I don't think a HEY WHAT THE frick ARE YOU DOING YOU ADDLED AND SENILE OLD FART? is out of line at all.

Excellent.  PSU and its fans can't have it both ways -- either he's responsible for his actions (or lack thereof) and deserves the harsh opinions, or he's too addled to be in charge of a bingo game and has no business beig in charge of that program.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 08, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Frank Broyles used to get attacked for being addled and senile, but he doesn't anymore.  Do you know why?  It's not because his condition cleared up, and it's not because all the meanies suddenly found Jesus and decided to get on board the nicey-nice train.  Folks don't care anymore that JFB is batshit crazy because he's no longer in charge of anything except eating catfish, losing his car keys, and trying to prod disinterested rugrats to call the hogs on a beach somewhere.  If, however, you're an 84 yr old addled and senile man who is also an AD or a head coach whose job duties include overseeing the well-being of kids and coaching staffs, I don't think a HEY WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOU ADDLED AND SENILE OLD FART? is out of line at all.

I agree he should not be in charge of anything that is truly important at his age. Blame the institution and BOT for that. My point is, to expect him to be able to deal with this crisis/scandal in a well thought out, rational manner is most likely asking the impossible. Passing judgement on him for not following up and reporting it directly to the police or DA 15 yrs ago is certainly right. Judging him because he, most likely, no longer posses the mental faculties to even realize the horrendous nature of this incident is not.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 08, 2011, 10:02:15 PM

Your take on this is bizarre. If you ever see a senior citizen ass raping a 10 year old, please intervene and then call the authorities.

Don't know how it's bizarre. Just understand there might be more than one viewpoint on this particular case with the GA.  Some will see it as a youth afraid, some will see it as youth pussified.  I think it rests in what age group you fall in.  And, I think Sandusky should put a bullet in his own head and save everyone else his misery.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Colboar on November 08, 2011, 10:15:10 PM
Don't know how it's bizarre. Just understand there might be more than one viewpoint on this particular case with the GA.  Some will see it as a youth afraid, some will see it as youth pussified.  I think it rests in what age group you fall in.  And, I think Sandusky should put a bullet in his own head and save everyone else his misery.

23 is simply not a kid.
Sorry, I completely disagree.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 08, 2011, 10:18:05 PM
Don't know how it's bizarre. Just understand there might be more than one viewpoint on this particular case with the GA.  Some will see it as a youth afraid, some will see it as youth pussified.  I think it rests in what age group you fall in.  And, I think Sandusky should put a bullet in his own head and save everyone else his misery.

I just don't get your take on this.  Are you saying the GA should be excused because of his age?

I don't know his age, but I have heard 23 or 28.  It really should not matter. 

If you witness a grown man raping a child, you do all you can to stop it and call the cops.  Period.  Any argument against that is asinine.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on November 08, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
The defenseless must be defended at all times.

Children, elderly, handicapped, whoever.

No excuses. Right is right, wrong is wrong.

Black and white. No gray.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: WPFM on November 08, 2011, 10:22:55 PM
I agree he should not be in charge of anything that is truly important at his age. Blame the institution and BOT for that. My point is, to expect him to be able to deal with this crisis/scandal in a well thought out, rational manner is most likely asking the impossible. Passing judgement on him for not following up and reporting it directly to the police or DA 15 yrs ago is certainly right. Judging him because he, most likely, no longer posses the mental faculties to even realize the horrendous nature of this incident is not.

Again, to ArkGuy's point, they - and he - can't have it both ways.  They can't keep him around propped up as HC Weekend-At-Bernie's style just to keep piling on record-setting W's to his legacy while giving him a "hey, take it easy - he's a senile old man" pass whenever he loses or, worse, shit like this happens.  There's a reason many states will revoke your driver's license if you get too old and blind to safely operate a vehicle... it's to save you from yourself, and to save you from hurting others as well - BEFORE it's too late and you plow through a bunch of folks with your Caddy on your way to Bingo night.  No one voluntarily decides to just stop driving after 75 years because they don't think they can do it safely or effectively any more.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 08, 2011, 10:31:29 PM
The defenseless must be defended at all times.

Children, elderly, handicapped, whoever.

No excuses. Right is right, wrong is wrong.

Black and white. No gray.

Exactly. And that GA dropped the ball on that.  And he got promoted at a later point.  He has to get punished for this.  His boss should as well.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 08, 2011, 10:39:31 PM
Again, to ArkGuy's point, they - and he - can't have it both ways.  They can't keep him around propped up as HC Weekend-At-Bernie's style just to keep piling on record-setting W's to his legacy while giving him a "hey, take it easy - he's a senile old man" pass whenever he loses or, worse, shit like this happens.  There's a reason many states will revoke your driver's license if you get too old and blind to safely operate a vehicle... it's to save you from yourself, and to save you from hurting others as well - BEFORE it's too late and you plow through a bunch of folks with your Caddy on your way to Bingo night.  No one voluntarily decides to just stop driving after 75 years because they don't think they can do it safely or effectively any more.
I agree with what you are saying. I'm not defending his inaction or PSU for keeping him on as coach. Just like JFB he should have either resigned or terminated from the office he occupies long ago. My sole point is hold him accountable for what he did/didn't do 15 yrs ago but don't take cheap shots at him because he no longer has the cognitive abilites to deal with or even rationally address this scandal. Some posters have done  that very thing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Mike Slive on November 08, 2011, 10:45:48 PM
So, being a member of the tea party is worse than murdering someone?  WTF? 

Take the cheese dick political aMm to that other thread.  You know, the one where all the leftists hang out?

AYFSM?  I hope the holiday suicide rate holds up this year.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 08, 2011, 10:55:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/3LUTQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 08, 2011, 11:36:35 PM
Matt Millen weighs in:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7207952&categoryid=2564308
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 08, 2011, 11:44:16 PM
At first I was sympathetic to the GA. After learning more of the facts....Fuck him too. He should've went to the cops and not his Dad, JoePa, nor the school administrators.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 08, 2011, 11:47:38 PM
At first I was sympathetic to the GA. After learning more of the facts....Fuck him too. He should've went to the cops and not his Dad, JoePa, nor the school administrators.

Or, at the very least, he should have contacted them after it became apparent that no one else was going to. I still can't believe this story. UnFRICKINGreal.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 08, 2011, 11:57:59 PM
Or, at the very least, he should have contacted them after it became apparent that no one else was going to. I still can't believe this story. UnFRICKINGreal.

The most disurbing part about the GA (and joepa) is that years later they see the piece of shit around with little boys at practices and such. How the fuck do u sleep at night for your lack of action and then know whats still going on bc of your inaction?  I hope every single one of these cocksuckers sees prison and feels what those innocent children felt while biting the pillow in their cells.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 09, 2011, 12:20:38 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/3LUTQ.jpg)

I am surprised the Big 10 has not changed It's division names from Legends and Leaders to Cheaters and Pedophiles.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on November 09, 2011, 12:35:37 AM
I see where you are coming from but unless you have been in that position, you just don't know how you would react.  Of course you are still responsible for however you did or didn't act.  There are a lot of pussies in this world, I don't know if I would classify the GA as one.  I'd have to see and hear him to know.

BTW- I DON'T believe in the death penalty or suicide but Sandusky ought to really get to be friends with a bullet if he owns one.

Actually, I am 100% certain that if I saw a man doing that to a child, I would do whatever I could to stop it right fucking then and there, even if I was only 18.  I can say that with full certainty.  There are things that normal people would do and not stopping it isn't something that a normal person with a spine does.  Just mind boggling.

Not following up on this or doing something while the CHILD was getting assfucked in the shower makes him a pussy and just as responsible as the man doing it. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boondock Hogs on November 09, 2011, 01:03:33 AM
Shit happens at every Univ. that is covered up by the administration.  Some shit is worse than others but it's all still shit that someone deserves to die over.  Not broken knees, not a beating that requires plastic surgery to be called human again, death.  A beating to the point of death with baseball bats.

I'm looking at you OBU.  And now Penn State as well.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 09, 2011, 06:04:14 AM
Shit happens at every Univ. that is covered up by the administration.  Some shit is worse than others but it's all still shit that someone deserves to die over.  Not broken knees, not a beating that requires plastic surgery to be called human again, death.  A beating to the point of death with baseball bats.

I'm looking at you OBU.  And now Penn State as well.

Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 09, 2011, 06:32:45 AM
So Jerry has a brother, Larry, who was molesting kids too?

My best friend Harry has a brother, Larry, and in 5 days, he's going to get married.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Trigger7672 on November 09, 2011, 07:08:10 AM
23 is simply not a kid.
Sorry, I completely disagree.

He was 28, not 23. And even if he had been in his early 20s witnessing someone raping a 10 year old and not stopping it is still fucked up.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 09, 2011, 07:16:12 AM
A state university should never be viewed as the personal fiefdom of one man and the same guy should never be treated with such reverence because he won football games that questioning his judgement and performance should be labeled a state crime.


You'll hear some people, including media, try to defend Paterno's negligence on this.  All someone needs to do is ask this old asshole if he would have let Sandusky OR McQueary babysit his own grandchildren or great grandchildren. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 09, 2011, 08:09:34 AM
If there was ever a case for Lack of Institutional Control, this is it.  New victims are coming forward today, and we're about to witness this entire program go down hard.  Alumni are already burning their degrees on campus, and fans are clamoring to cancel the season and to self-impose the death penalty.  No way JoePa makes it through the weekend.

I don't think there's an NCAA issue here - I doubt they have a rule saying "thou shalt not employ and protect child rapists".

Having said that, there's a lot more at stake here than the football program.  The scandal starts with the athletic department, but it involves a vice president, the campus police department, and to a lesser extent even the president of the university being involved in a conspiracy to cover up numerous child rapes on campus.

If the trustees don't immediately clean house, their accreditation is in peril.  It may be no matter what the trustees do.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 09, 2011, 08:12:47 AM
Like TexZilla says, we really need to change the whole stupid idea of campus police.  They should be involved in nothing more then parking and traffic control.  From what we've seen with Campus Police in the last 3 years at Penn State and AT Arkansas, I wouldn't want them to be involved in breaking up a fight at a frat party.

Every campus needs to have an actual police substation from the real police on campus to handle investigations, rape allegations, assaults, etc. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on November 09, 2011, 08:33:12 AM
Like TexZilla says, we really need to change the whole stupid idea of campus police.  They should be involved in nothing more then parking and traffic control.  From what we've seen with Campus Police in the last 3 years at Penn State and AT Arkansas, I wouldn't want them to be involved in breaking up a fight at a frat party.

Every campus needs to have an actual police substation from the real police on campus to handle investigations, rape allegations, assaults, etc.

i can guarantee you we do NOT need that on this campus.  there needs to be a little bit more judiciousness than what FPD is used to giving.   

And all of our police officers are required to attend ALETA just like any other city force in the state. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: AGNK on November 09, 2011, 08:44:13 AM
I worked at State College, PA for three years and I can tell you that the campus PD was bigger than the city PD. The city, outside of the college, is a small, sleepy town. The campus PD, a state agency, were much better equipped to handle most crimes. This probably doesn't hold true for most places, but that's the way it was at PSU campus.

(Edit: After checking, State College PD has 65 officers, PSU Campus PD has 46, so the city force is larger. My mistake. But the campus PD, being a state agency, is better funded and much better prepared to deal with most issues. I used to deal with the PDs a lot and State College PD always came across as very podunk. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but it's what I saw).

The GA was a 28 year old man who walked in to see a 10 year old being raped. And he ran away to call his daddy. That is fucking pathetic. If you've seen any PSU games, you'll recognize the pussy-ass bitch.
(http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4eb9456869bedd944100002c/penn-state-university-coach-mike-mcqueary.jpg)

JoePa is in his last year of his contract, he'll be gone after this season. Wouldn't surprise me to see Urban Meyer step in and take over a few years.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 09, 2011, 08:45:30 AM
i can guarantee you we do NOT need that on this campus.  there needs to be a little bit more judiciousness than what FPD is used to giving.   

And all of our police officers are required to attend ALETA just like any other city force in the state.
Then someone needs to start reporting rapes, burglaries and other incidents more frequently than trying to cover them up on campus all for the sake of "looks".  This is one area that really irks me...something happens on campus and the campus police and administration time and time again sweep shit under the rug.  That shit is wrong
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TomTHog on November 09, 2011, 08:56:37 AM
Then someone needs to start reporting rapes, burglaries and other incidents more frequently than trying to cover them up on campus all for the sake of "looks".  This is one area that really irks me...something happens on campus and the campus police and administration time and time again sweep aMm under the rug.  That aMm is wrong

By federal law, colleges are required to do such reporting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clery_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clery_Act)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VegasHog on November 09, 2011, 09:05:41 AM
Paterno gone at end of season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/09/penn-state-joe-paterno-retiring.ap/index.html?eref=BrkNews
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on November 09, 2011, 09:06:43 AM
Per Joe Schad, JoePa to retire at end of season.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on November 09, 2011, 09:07:26 AM
Paterno gone at end of season.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/11/09/penn-state-joe-paterno-retiring.ap/index.html?eref=BrkNews

I'm not certain Paterno should be allowed to retire gracefully at the end of the season.  There really should be some house-cleaning now, including his duplicitous ass.

I don't think Penn State is handling this with the seriousness it deserves.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 09:17:24 AM
From the FARK board at tigerdroppings this morning:

(http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h281/NC_Tigah/SoonerFans/PSUHorror.jpg?t=1320804362)


(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad346/rattlehead666/kirkherbstreit_earthquakeface_sandusky.gif)

(http://i41.tinypic.com/260brqv.jpg)

(http://i950.photobucket.com/albums/ad346/rattlehead666/jerrysandusky_lebowskiballshine.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/1zbfc.gif)

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on November 09, 2011, 09:23:42 AM
AYFSM?  I hope the holiday suicide rate holds up this year.

I like this post better.  No attempts at inappropriate-for-the-venue political shots, just some wishful thinking about people killing themselves. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 09, 2011, 09:28:26 AM
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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 09, 2011, 09:39:59 AM
i can guarantee you we do NOT need that on this campus.  there needs to be a little bit more judiciousness than what FPD is used to giving.   

And all of our police officers are required to attend ALETA just like any other city force in the state.

Your second sentence is correct, but whatever law enforcement agency is charged with protecting the campus needs to answer to someone other than the university administration.  Too much potential for abuse there. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 09, 2011, 09:58:54 AM
I worked at State College, PA for three years and I can tell you that the campus PD was bigger than the city PD. The city, outside of the college, is a small, sleepy town. The campus PD, a state agency, were much better equipped to handle most crimes. This probably doesn't hold true for most places, but that's the way it was at PSU campus.

(Edit: After checking, State College PD has 65 officers, PSU Campus PD has 46, so the city force is larger. My mistake. But the campus PD, being a state agency, is better funded and much better prepared to deal with most issues. I used to deal with the PDs a lot and State College PD always came across as very podunk. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but it's what I saw).

The GA was a 28 year old man who walked in to see a 10 year old being raped. And he ran away to call his daddy. That is fricking pathetic. If you've seen any PSU games, you'll recognize the puthy-ass bitch.
(http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4eb9456869bedd944100002c/penn-state-university-coach-mike-mcqueary.jpg)

JoePa is in his last year of his contract, he'll be gone after this season. Wouldn't surprise me to see Urban Meyer step in and take over a few years.

I don't think they'll be in the market for a guy who's last job produced almost as many player arrests as it did conference wins. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: pilothog on November 09, 2011, 10:00:17 AM
" 8 year olds dude".....Walter Sobchak.

Sick Pederass Frick!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hoss Hog on November 09, 2011, 10:28:36 AM
Who's "not" guilty in this? Even the GA's Father told him to leave the building. He didn't say, "get the child out now"...he told his grown son to save yourself. What a sad reflection on our society.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 09, 2011, 10:47:19 AM
Saw this post on another sports board (no, not fucking Nobville) and thought it made some very good points concerning the criticism of Paterno and some of the support for him.  Paterno was wrong, no doubt at all, but he's taking almost all of this on the chin while the rest are comparatively getting off light.


Quote
I've got two thoughts, which I'll make into two posts. One trying to put into perspective the crowd of PSU students and another my theory on why this is even worse than it looks.

As for the Penn State students, I think they're an easy target. You can say they're young, dumb and drunk, and that's probably at least half right. It should go without saying that PSU students aren't in favor of child rape. Penn State students run the single largest philanthropic student-run organization in the entire world. Last year ALONE, PSU students raised $10M for children with cancer.

So why are the supporting Paterno? I think they are reacting to what they seem is an unfair response by the media, which I can understand (if not agree with). Let's rank the cast of characters from most despicable to least:

Sandusky

ENORMOUS GAP

McQueary

Spanier, the President of the school, who covered this up

Curley, the AD, who helped cover this up

Paterno, the HC, who reported it to the AD and the President

You can also throw PSU campus police and the regular police force on there, as they at least played a part in this (either in covering up or failing to prosecute). Not sure where they go on the list, but there's no doubt that police played a part in letting Sandusky roam free.

Now, where is the media outrage directed?

99% at Paterno. People are almost skipping over Sandusky, perhaps because it's so obvious that he ranks in the second most innercircle of hell, behind the Hitlers of history. McQueary? Nothing. Spanier and Curley? A little outrage. Paterno is by far getting most of the criticism.

He's certainly taking for more heat than anyone else, and it's disproportionate to what he did. I can see how some Penn Staters might feel like the national media, which probably couldn't place State College on a map, now wants to go in and lynch State College's patron saint. Why isn't the national media ripping Sandusky and Spanier and the police with as much fire?

The obvious answer, of course, is that no one really cares about Sandusky or Spanier. And that's just a sad raelity of our times. If we find out some pedophile in Ohio was doing this to kids but was an accountant, this would be a minor, minor story. There would be no national media.

Personally, I understand that being the big dog brings the good and the bad. Just like when in football the QB is given too much credit when he wins and too much blame when he loses; well, Paterno was given so much praise and credit for decades, I have no problem with him now experiencing perhaps too much blame now. The focus shouldn't be squarely on him, but heavy is the heard who wears the crown. I've got no issue with that.

But to a school with 50,000 people, don't be surprised that 500 of them are angry that JoePa is being made out to be public enemy no. 1. I can at least understand their perspective, and the actions of one or two percent of the campus should not reflect poorly on the students as a whole. In general, Penn State students are pretty stand up people and have a reputation for being as so. I'm sure the majority of the students are incredibly disappointed with Paterno's actions, and I'm sure the entire 50,000 students think Sandusky is the scum of the earth.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 10:52:19 AM
I worked at State College, PA for three years and I can tell you that the campus PD was bigger than the city PD. The city, outside of the college, is a small, sleepy town. The campus PD, a state agency, were much better equipped to handle most crimes. This probably doesn't hold true for most places, but that's the way it was at PSU campus.

(Edit: After checking, State College PD has 65 officers, PSU Campus PD has 46, so the city force is larger. My mistake. But the campus PD, being a state agency, is better funded and much better prepared to deal with most issues. I used to deal with the PDs a lot and State College PD always came across as very podunk. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but it's what I saw).

The GA was a 28 year old man who walked in to see a 10 year old being raped. And he ran away to call his daddy. That is fucking pathetic. If you've seen any PSU games, you'll recognize the pussy-ass bitch.
(http://static7.businessinsider.com/image/4eb9456869bedd944100002c/penn-state-university-coach-mike-mcqueary.jpg)

JoePa is in his last year of his contract, he'll be gone after this season. Wouldn't surprise me to see Urban Meyer step in and take over a few years.

Fuckin Day Walker....figures.





(ducks while Pumpkin unleashes fury)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on November 09, 2011, 11:02:31 AM
If you run out ofstuff to read on Woopig, blackshoediaries.com is good for a few laughs and a few :puke: :puke: :puke:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 09, 2011, 11:39:31 AM
Like TexZilla says, we really need to change the whole stupid idea of campus police.  They should be involved in nothing more then parking and traffic control.  From what we've seen with Campus Police in the last 3 years at Penn State and AT Arkansas, I wouldn't want them to be involved in breaking up a fight at a frat party.

Every campus needs to have an actual police substation from the real police on campus to handle investigations, rape allegations, assaults, etc.

While I don't disagree with regard to major crime, we DO need campus police to protect students.  The only thing standing between FPD and kicking in doors to dorm rooms are jurisdictional issues related to campus cops.  There's a reason every campus has their own police force, and this is it.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on November 09, 2011, 11:59:22 AM
While I don't disagree with regard to major crime, we DO need campus police to protect students.  The only thing standing between FPD and kicking in doors to dorm rooms are jurisdictional issues related to campus cops.  There's a reason every campus has their own police force, and this is it.


Say what?  The only thing standing between Little Rock police kicking in doors in Fort Smith are jurisdictional issues. 

Isn't it just a matter of which cops are doing the door kicking, or did I misunderstand you?  Maybe I didn't understand the reason why every campus has its own police force. 

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 09, 2011, 12:08:31 PM
So, One Quarter and I were discussing the disappearance of the country prosecutor and his computer being found drowned in a lake/river.

Let me steer part of this discussion in my own twisted matter: If Penn State athletics are somehow implicated in the disappearance of a prosecutor (I know there are 10 steps between where we stand and this being established), what would you recommend as punishment?  You can't put the school in jail, though you can the perpetrator, but does the NCAA say "Lack of institutional control" and ban PSU from competition forever?  30 years?

I've moved past the culpability of people for the pedophilia; I'm onto the intriguing shit now.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 09, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
So, One Quarter and I were discussing the disappearance of the country prosecutor and his computer being found drowned in a lake/river.

Let me steer part of this discussion in my own twisted matter: If Penn State athletics are somehow implicated in the disappearance of a prosecutor (I know there are 10 steps between where we stand and this being established), what would you recommend as punishment?  You can't put the school in jail, though you can the perpetrator, but does the NCAA say "Lack of institutional control" and ban PSU from competition forever?  30 years?

I've moved past the culpability of people for the pedophilia; I'm onto the intriguing aMm now.

What I can't figure out is if he declined to prosecute then why murder him? Seems like the reverse would be true.

Prosecute = get rid of him
Don't prosecute = keep him around forever
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ocelot_ark on November 09, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
From the FARK board at tigerdroppings this morning:


Nothing to laugh at. But I can't help it.   :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 12:27:47 PM
So, One Quarter and I were discussing the disappearance of the country prosecutor and his computer being found drowned in a lake/river.

Let me steer part of this discussion in my own twisted matter: If Penn State athletics are somehow implicated in the disappearance of a prosecutor (I know there are 10 steps between where we stand and this being established), what would you recommend as punishment?  You can't put the school in jail, though you can the perpetrator, but does the NCAA say "Lack of institutional control" and ban PSU from competition forever?  30 years?

I've moved past the culpability of people for the pedophilia; I'm onto the intriguing aMm now.

The ID channel featured that case on their "Disappeared" show.  No body was ever found, but they did find the ruined hard drive.

Penn State certainly had the money to "help" him disappear and never want for money again.  So the question is, motive. He already declined to prosecute the case, even though officers overheard Sandusky make incriminating statements. 

Could he have been having second thoughts?  When did the public school bring the allegations to the Child Protective services?  If that was around the same period, maybe he decided to dump his evidence and go eat a bullet in some secluded field?  Maybe he had info on who knew what when at Penn?

You're right Alpharetta, this is the intriguing stuff.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 12:28:53 PM
Nothing to laugh at. But I can't help it.   :maundoed:

I know.  It's really not.  It's a coping mechanisim.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 09, 2011, 12:30:28 PM

Say what?  The only thing standing between Little Rock police kicking in doors in Fort Smith are jurisdictional issues. 

Isn't it just a matter of which cops are doing the door kicking, or did I misunderstand you?  Maybe I didn't understand the reason why every campus has its own police force.

Schools don't want city cops raiding dorms and classrooms.  They establish their own police force so as to create that jurisdictional buffer zone to protect their students.

Google "town vs. gown" and you'll see why they do this.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 12:32:26 PM
I thought FPD had overlapping jurisdiction on the UA Campus, no?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 09, 2011, 12:33:32 PM
So, One Quarter and I were discussing the disappearance of the country prosecutor and his computer being found drowned in a lake/river.

Let me steer part of this discussion in my own twisted matter: If Penn State athletics are somehow implicated in the disappearance of a prosecutor (I know there are 10 steps between where we stand and this being established), what would you recommend as punishment?  You can't put the school in jail, though you can the perpetrator, but does the NCAA say "Lack of institutional control" and ban PSU from competition forever?  30 years?

I've moved past the culpability of people for the pedophilia; I'm onto the intriguing aMm now.

The final act in the disappearance of the prosecutor was probably truly a suicide.  According to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar), his older brother killed himself by jumping off a bridge.  Depending on who's study you consult, someone with a history of suicide in the family is 2 or 3 times more likely to take their own life than a member of the general population.

Assuming he did commit suicide, where the black helicopter stuff comes in is with his computer.   He not only wiped the drive he took the additional step of removing it from the machine before tossing both in the river.  I've had professional dealings with the company listed in the Wiki story (Kroll Ontrack).  If they couldn't recover the data, it can't be done.

Why all the trouble to destroy a laptop drive? 

He certainly knew Sandusky was a pedo.  He was almost certainly pressured (if not outright told) to drop the 1998 case.  It isn't unreasonable to think that he kept the files.

People everywhere are asking how those involved in the coverup could live with their inaction - maybe this guy couldn't.

Again, I don't think it fair to simply implicate Penn State Athletics.  It is about Penn State the institution. 

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 12:42:54 PM
Here's a timeline CBS has put together based on the indictment:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16049259/key-dates-in-penn-state-sex-abuse-case

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A chronological look at the case against former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky, based on a grand jury report in Pennsylvania state court. Some key dates in Penn State football history are included. Sandusky has been charged with 40 criminal counts, accusing him of serial sex abuse of minors.

1969: Jerry Sandusky starts his coaching career at Penn State University as a defensive line coach.

1977: Jerry Sandusky founds The Second Mile. It begins as a group foster home dedicated to helping troubled boys and grows into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families.

January 1983: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1982 season.

January 1987: Associated Press voters select Penn State as college football's national champion for the 1986 season.

1994: Boy known as Victim 7 in the report meets Sandusky through The Second Mile program at about the age of 10.

1994-95: Boy known as Victim 6 meets Sandusky at a Second Mile picnic at Spring Creek Park when he is 7 or 8 years old.

1995-96: Boy known as Victim 5, meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is 7 or 8, in second or third grade.

1996-97: Boy known as Victim 4, at the age of 12 or 13, meets Sandusky while he is in his second year participating in The Second Mile program.

1996-98: Victim 5 is taken to the locker rooms and showers at Penn State by Sandusky when he is 8 to 10 years old.

Jan. 1, 1998: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1998 Outback Bowl.

1998: Victim 6 is taken into the locker rooms and showers when he is 11 years old. When Victim 6 is dropped off at home, his hair is wet from showering with Sandusky. His mother reports the incident to the university police, who investigate.

Detective Ronald Schreffler testifies that he and State College Police Department Detective Ralph Ralston, with the consent of the mother of Victim 6, eavesdrop on two conversations the mother of Victim 6 has with Sandusky. Sandusky says he has showered with other boys and Victim 6's mother tries to make Sandusky promise never to shower with a boy again but he will not. At the end of the second conversation, after Sandusky is told he cannot see Victim 6 anymore, Schreffler testifies Sandusky says, "I understand. I was wrong. I wish I could get forgiveness. I know I won't get it from you. I wish I were dead."

Jerry Lauro, an investigator with the Pennsylvania Department of Public Welfare, testifies he and Schreffler interviewed Sandusky, and that Sandusky admits showering naked with Victim 6, admits to hugging Victim 6 while in the shower and admits that it was wrong.

The case is closed after then-Centre County District Attorney Ray Gricar decides there will be no criminal charge.

June 1999: Sandusky retires from Penn State but still holds emeritus status.

Dec. 28, 1999: Victim 4 is listed, along with Sandusky's wife, as a member of Sandusky's family party for the 1999 Alamo Bowl.

Summer 2000: Boy known as Victim 3 meets Sandusky through The Second Mile when he is between seventh and eighth grade.

Fall 2000: A janitor named James Calhoun observes Sandusky in the showers of the Lasch Football Building with a young boy -- known as Victim 8 -- pinned up against the wall and performing oral sex on the boy. He tells other janitorial staff immediately. Fellow Office of Physical Plant employee Ronald Petrosky cleans the showers at Lasch and sees Sandusky and the boy, who he describes as being between the ages of 11 and 13.

Calhoun tells other physical plant employees what he saw, including Jay Witherite, his immediate supervisor. Witherite tells him to whom he should report the incident. Calhoun was a temporary employee and never makes a report. Victim 8's identity is unknown.

March 1, 2002: A Penn State graduate assistant enters the locker room at the Lasch Football Building. In the showers, he sees a naked boy, known as Victim 2, whose age he estimates to be 10 years old, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky. The graduate assistant tells his father immediately.

March 2, 2002: In the morning, the graduate assistant calls coach Joe Paterno and goes to Paterno's home, where he reports what he has seen.

March 3, 2002: Paterno calls Tim Curley, Penn State athletic director, to his home the next day and reports a version of what the grad assistant had said.

March 2002: Later in the month the graduate assistant is called to a meeting with Curley and Senior Vice President for Finance and Business Gary Schultz. The grad assistant reports what he has seen and Curley and Schultz say they will look into it.

March 27, 2002 (approximate): The graduate assistant hears from Curley. He is told that Sandusky's locker room keys are taken away and that the incident has been reported to The Second Mile. The graduate assistant is never questioned by university police and no other entity conducts an investigation until the graduate assistant testifies in Grand Jury in December 2010.

2005-2006: Boy known as Victim 1 says that meets Sandusky through The Second Mile at age 11 or 12.

Spring 2007: During the 2007 track season, Sandusky begins spending time with Victim 1 weekly, having him stay overnight at his residence in College Township, Pa.

Spring 2008: Termination of contact with Victim 1 occurs when he is a freshman in a Clinton County high school. After the boy's mother calls the school to report sexual assault, Sandusky is barred from the school district attended by Victim 1 from that day forward and the matter is reported to authorities as mandated by law.

Early 2009: An investigation by the Pennsylvania attorney general begins when a Clinton County, Pa. teen boy tells authorities that Sandusky has inappropriately touched him several times over a four-year period.

September 2010: Sandusky retires from day-to-day involvement with The Second Mile, saying he wants to spend more time with family and handle personal matters.

Nov. 5, 2011: Sandusky is arrested and released on $100,000 bail after being arraigned on 40 criminal counts.

Nov. 7, 2011: Pennsylvania Attorney General Linda Kelly says Paterno is not a target of the investigation into how the school handled the accusations. But she refuses to say the same for university President Graham Spanier. Curley and Schultz, who have stepped down from their positions, surrender on charges that they failed to alert police to complaints against Sandusky.

Nov. 8, 2011: Possible ninth victim of Sandusky contacts state police as calls for ouster of Paterno and Spanier grow in state and beyond. Penn State abruptly cancels Paterno's regular weekly press conference.

Nov. 9, 2011: Paterno announces he'll retire at the end of the season.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: boomer_sooie on November 09, 2011, 12:50:39 PM
The final act in the disappearance of the prosecutor was probably truly a suicide.  According to Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar), his older brother killed himself by jumping off a bridge.  Depending on who's study you consult, someone with a history of suicide in the family is 2 or 3 times more likely to take their own life than a member of the general population.

Assuming he did commit suicide, where the black helicopter stuff comes in is with his computer.   He not only wiped the drive he took the additional step of removing it from the machine before tossing both in the river.  I've had professional dealings with the company listed in the Wiki story (Kroll Ontrack).  If they couldn't recover the data, it can't be done.

Why all the trouble to destroy a laptop drive? 

He certainly knew Sandusky was a pedo.  He was almost certainly pressured (if not outright told) to drop the 1998 case.  It isn't unreasonable to think that he kept the files.

People everywhere are asking how those involved in the coverup could live with their inaction - maybe this guy couldn't.

Again, I don't think it fair to simply implicate Penn State Athletics.  It is about Penn State the institution.


On the fourth anniversary of his disappearance, investigators revealed that a search of his home computer yielded a history of Internet searches for phrases like “how to wreck a hard drive,” according to a report at the time in The Centre Daily Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html

Who knows if Gricar even typed the search or if it was later entered to make it look like he was trying to cover his tracks.

I'd also like to know who and how they found a way to keep all of this quite until JoePa became the winningest D1 coach (10/29/2011).


Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 09, 2011, 01:04:05 PM
The prosecutor could have been having second thoughts and was shown the door.

He could have also killed himself for any number of reasons. 

But, it's pretty odd not to find a suicide body, isn't it?

This is the worst of just rampant speculation, but I'm glad to see BD and Reaganite run with me on my conspiracy train.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on November 09, 2011, 01:09:03 PM
I thought FPD had overlapping jurisdiction on the UA Campus, no?

no
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 01:24:03 PM
The prosecutor could have been having second thoughts and was shown the door.

He could have also killed himself for any number of reasons. 

But, it's pretty odd not to find a suicide body, isn't it?

This is the worst of just rampant speculation, but I'm glad to see BD and Reaganite run with me on my conspiracy train.

Thing is, is that we don't know it was a suicide.  It's incredibly suspicious.  That whole institution strikes me as being run by a mafia family.  Just heard Rinaldi saying several members of the BoT up there are personal friends of the Joe, so there are doubts they can oust him until he's ready to go.

Like I said, the guy could have been paid to disappear (with enough $$$ you can do so comfortably and never be heard from again), Bumped off, or if he knew his coverup was going to be found out, doing himself off.


I know one thing, they're going to have hell getting families of recruits to feel comfortable about sending their kids to a place being called, "Horror Valley" until the whole place is cleaned out.  There were tweets yesterday from recruits saying they're going elsewhere now.

If they let Jo Pa stay it equals acceptance of his lack of action.  Who wants an assistant coach that watches something like that and doesn't at least TRY to stop it?  Who can respect that?  Who can respect an institiution that accepts Joe Pa not taking the time to pick up a frickin' phone and have the PD interview the GA?

Who would feel comfortable playing for a school that has a pep rally in front of his house and are more worried about a coach and a football game this weekend than a huge line of victims they have enabled?  8 year olds for God's sake.

I keep imagining the eyes of these poor kids.  The fear, the terror, the pain, the notion of being victimized by the pervert and then the machine that is Penn State.  You had thousands of students more worried about that old fucker last night than worried about what happened to those kids under the banner of their fuckking program.

Every fucker involved in the coverup or the moral crime of silence needs to go and burn in hell.  Until they make it to hell, they need to burn in the court of public opinion.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 09, 2011, 01:26:45 PM

On the fourth anniversary of his disappearance, investigators revealed that a search of his home computer yielded a history of Internet searches for phrases like “how to wreck a hard drive,” according to a report at the time in The Centre Daily Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html

Who knows if Gricar even typed the search or if it was later entered to make it look like he was trying to cover his tracks.

I'd also like to know who and how they found a way to keep all of this quite until JoePa became the winningest D1 coach (10/29/2011).

Absent video, nobody can tell WHO did the searches but the computer forensics examiner can tell WHEN they were done.

As far as keeping it quiet, I think the GJ simply got finished when they got finished.  The indictment alone is damning, and keep in mind it isn't everything they've got - just what needed to be presented to bring charges.  Given the people an politics involved, they had to dot every i and cross every t.  I appears they've done that quite well.

I'm not totally off the conspiracy train, I just think the most likely story is he did the act himself.  I also think the odds are good that what he knew and did not do about the PSU situation was probably one of if  not the the factors that put him in that place.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 01:36:44 PM
Whoa.  Check this out from April of this year:

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html#user-comment-area

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Madden: Sandusky a State secret

Posted: Sunday, April 3, 2011 11:55 pm | Updated: 4:34 pm, Mon Apr 4, 2011.

The Jerry Sandusky situation seems a matter of failure to connect certain dots, or perhaps unwillingness in that regard. Lots of people besides the former Penn State defensive coordinator have some explaining to do.

Allegations of improper conduct with an underage male first surfaced in 1998, while Sandusky was still employed by Penn State. That incident allegedly occurred in a shower at Penn State's on-campus football facility. No charges were filed.

Sandusky retired the next year, in 1999. He was 55, prime age for a coach. Odd, to say the least - especially with Joe Paterno thought even then to be ready to quit and Sandusky a likely, openly-discussed successor.

It seems logical to ask: What did Paterno know, and when did he know it? What did Penn State's administration know, and when did they know it?

Best-case scenario: Charges are never brought, and Sandusky walks away with his reputation permanently scarred. The rumors, the jokes, the sideways glances - they won't ever stop. Paterno and Penn State do the great escape.

Worst-case scenario: Sandusky is charged. Then it seems reasonable to wonder: Did Penn State not make an issue of Sandusky's alleged behavior in 1998 in exchange for him walking away from the program at an age premature for most coaches? Did Penn State's considerable influence help get Sandusky off the hook?

Don't kid yourself. That could happen. Don't underestimate the power of Paterno and Penn State in central Pennsylvania when it comes to politicians, the police and the media.
  In 1999, Penn State was rid of Sandusky. His rep was unblemished, which allowed him to continue running a charitable foundation that gave him access to underage males. To be a volunteer assistant with a high school football team, thus gaining access to underage males.

If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?

This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.

Initially accused in 1998. Retires in 1999. Never coaches college football again. Sandusky was very successful at what he did. The architect of Linebacker U. Helped win national championships in 1982 and 1986. Recognized as college football's top assistant in 1986 and 1999.

Never any stories about Sandusky being pursued for a high-profile job. Never any rumors about him coming out of retirement.

But there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?

Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?

A grand jury, spurred by a complaint made by a 15-year-old boy in 2009, has been investigating Sandusky for 18 months. Witnesses include Paterno and Penn State athletic director Tim Curley. Interviewing Paterno about a subject like this had to have been one of the single most uncomfortable acts in the history of jurisprudence.

Plenty of questions remain yet unanswered. Potentially among them: What's more important, Penn State football or the welfare of a few kids?

You might not want to hear the answer.

Mark Madden hosts a radio show 3-6 p.m. weekdays on WXDX-FM (105.9).



Check out their stepford fan comments afterwards.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 09, 2011, 01:45:09 PM
What you've got highlighted is EXACTLY what happened. 

Edited to add: Looks like the Penn State president's gone now.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html (http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html)

They may let him coach Saturday because it is their last home game of the year but there's no way Paterno makes it past this weekend.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 02:21:44 PM
A therapist on Outside The Lines just made a really good point.  There will be many, many victims of Sandusky's that will NEVER come forward.  They would be in their 20's now.  Young men who have moved on with their lives and don't want the stigma of child rape being forever tied to them.


Very sad and just another reason that fucker and that program should burn.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 09, 2011, 02:54:35 PM
I still think the State needs Victim 8 to come forward in order to tie a ribbon around the case and finish the job.  They can still get multiple convictions against Sandusky (and the perjury charges as well), but Victim 8 sets the timeline firmly, ties the named (and unnamed) criminal actors together, etc etc etc.

Victim 8 allows you to put pressure on all facets of the case and everyone involved; if you go from faceless child to a real, live person, that's where lines really start breaking rank.

The thing is, this is, as Reaganite said, going to be a cloud of stink that settles in Happy Valley for years as it is, and if it gets much deeper, starts to turn into a discussion of decades.  Hell, I feel for people walking away with a Penn State diploma in a few weeks who are going to get the "Soo..... where you stand on Paterno?" in their job interviews.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogustus on November 09, 2011, 03:00:51 PM
They may let him coach Saturday because it is their last home game of the year but there's no way Paterno makes it past this weekend.

It would be unconscionable if they let Paterno ("JoePa" is a term of affection - time for anyone but apologists to stop using that) or McQuery coach this weekend.  I'm surprised the BoT didn't suspend them from their duties yesterday.  They've failed to ensure the safety of children they knew to be at risk when they saw this deviant with them at practices.  Neither should be allowed to coach at a school again.  Same for any other members of the PSU staff that were aware of the allegations and saw Sandusky still hanging out with kids.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 09, 2011, 03:07:47 PM
I still think the State needs Victim 8 to come forward in order to tie a ribbon around the case and finish the job.  They can still get multiple convictions against Sandusky (and the perjury charges as well), but Victim 8 sets the timeline firmly, ties the named (and unnamed) criminal actors together, etc etc etc.

Victim 8 allows you to put pressure on all facets of the case and everyone involved; if you go from faceless child to a real, live person, that's where lines really start breaking rank.

The thing is, this is, as Reaganite said, going to be a cloud of stink that settles in Happy Valley for years as it is, and if it gets much deeper, starts to turn into a discussion of decades.  Starkville, I feel for people walking away with a Penn State diploma in a few weeks who are going to get the "Soo..... where you stand on Paterno?" in their job interviews.

Not sure why this particular story is so different from any of the other countless scumbag stories I’ve seen/read over the years, but this one’s affecting me really hard for whatever reason.  Maybe because the facts are so public and so graphic.  Fucking horrible. Maybe its because its so damn bad and a major part of one of the biggest “genres” (Linebacker U) in my favorite classification of my favorite sport.  But, oh well, fuck it.  I’m a glutton for punishment, don't know shit about the legal aspects (that's why I read message boards with fellow assholes like you), so I dive in for more and ask questions to maybe use this as a learning exercise, too…

When you state that Victim 8 brings all of those (more?) credible factors to the case and essentially slams the door, why?  What would they bring that Victims 1-7 haven’t?  Are you meaning strictly from having a “live” person stand in front of the courtroom/camera and tell their story (I think you are)?  If so, would an anonymous or confidential 8th victim be as beneficial?  I ask in the instance that one of the countless other victims does as the therapists mention, they don’t want their lives publicly remembered by this and want to move on, but would still love to put the definitive nail in the coffin (you know they are dying to, both collectively and invidually).
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 09, 2011, 03:19:27 PM
It would be unconscionable if they let Paterno ("JoePa" is a term of affection - time for anyone but apologists to stop using that) or McQuery coach this weekend.  I'm surprised the BoT didn't suspend them from their duties yesterday.  They've failed to ensure the safety of children they knew to be at risk when they saw this deviant with them at practices.  Neither should be allowed to coach at a school again.  Same for any other members of the PSU staff that were aware of the allegations and saw Sandusky still hanging out with kids.

Don't disagree at all, but they've already done quite a few unconscionable things and the cult of JoePa might be strong enough to hold on a few days longer.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 09, 2011, 03:25:16 PM
When you state that Victim 8 brings all of those (more?) credible factors to the case and essentially slams the door, why?  What would they bring that Victims 1-7 haven’t?  Are you meaning strictly from having a “live” person stand in front of the courtroom/camera and tell their story (I think you are)?  If so, would an anonymous or confidential 8th victim be as beneficial?  I ask in the instance that one of the countless other victims does as the therapists mention, they don’t want their lives publicly remembered by this and want to move on, but would still love to put the definitive nail in the coffin (you know they are dying to, both collectively and invidually).

I don't think they need victim 8 to get a pile of convictions, but they'll need him to get all the charges related to victim 8.  Unlike the incident with the GA, the eyewitness to victim 8 has dementia and can't testify.  I'm not fully up on all the hearsay exceptions, but without either the witness to say "I saw him blowing a kid" or the victim to say "I'm the kid he was blowing", I think the prosecution will have a hard time getting the rest of the janitorial staff's corroborating statements admitted into evidence.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogustus on November 09, 2011, 03:27:30 PM
Matt Millen weighs in:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7207952&categoryid=2564308
It'll be interesting to see if Matt Millen is allowed to stay with ESPN after all this.  He was on the 2nd Mile board and thus knew of the allegations back in 1998 and 2002.  The fact that Sandusky was allowed to continue to work for them after knowing about this is a major failure in leadership and oversight, the very things a board is supposed to provide.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 09, 2011, 03:50:04 PM
Anybody that defends the administration at Penn State, along with McQuerry and Paterno, is supporting the cover up of CHILD RAPE. And the media that keeps reporting that Sandusky had "sex" with those boys....no, he ANALLY RAPED one in the showers of his former employer who still allowed him total access (no pun intended) for a decade after the first allegations surfaced.

Hey Paterno apologists: "He just did his job" is called The Nuremburg Defense, because its what Nazi Death Camp guards said at their trials.

They ALL need to go, and not at the end of the goddamn season, and not gracefully. The BoT is gathering a committee to do an investigation to decide what to do. What the fuck is there to decide? There are people STILL in charge at Penn State who actively participated in the cover-up of CHILD RAPE.

Fuck Penn State and fuck all of their band of narcissistic students, alumni, and shithead of a coach crying about their "legacy" and their "pride" being hurt.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 09, 2011, 04:01:52 PM
...  Paterno was wrong, no doubt at all, but he's taking almost all of this on the chin while the rest are comparatively getting off light.

I must have missed the report of him being charged with a crime and/or terminated immediately.

Seems like compared at least to two people, he has thus far gotten off pretty light.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 09, 2011, 04:07:23 PM
Anybody that defends the administration at Penn State, along with McQuerry and Paterno, is supporting the cover up of CHILD RAPE. And the media that keeps reporting that Sandusky had "sex" with those boys....no, he ANALLY RAPED one in the showers of his former employer who still allowed him total access (no pun intended) for a decade after the first allegations surfaced.

Hey Paterno apologists: "He just did his job" is called The Nuremburg Defense, because its what Nazi Death Camp guards said at their trials.

They ALL need to go, and not at the end of the gawd damn season, and not gracefully. The BoT is gathering a committee to do an investigation to decide what to do. What the frick is there to decide? There are people STILL in charge at Penn State who actively participated in the cover-up of CHILD RAPE.

frick Penn State and frick all of their band of narcissistic students, alumni, and shithead of a coach crying about their "legacy" and their "pride" being hurt.

This. 

Its the mentality that Joe Pa is above reproach that allowed multiple children to be raped for years at Penn State.

Joe Pa did nothing, so everybody else was satisfied.

Get rid of all of the bastards.  Now. 

I couldn't give two shits about Penn State before this, or after this.  But the way its playing out is a fine illustration of people without decency or rational priorities.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 04:16:26 PM
Gregg Doyle brought the wood:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16050982/as-you-read-this-paterno-era-at-penn-state-should-be-done

As you read this, Paterno Era at Penn State should be done
 By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
 

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- In hindsight, Joe Paterno is absolutely devastated. Those are his words today -- "absolutely devastated." And that's a start. It's a lot better than his actions Tuesday, when he was absolutely pleased to bask in the adulation of the Penn State students in his lawn.

If he had to do it all over again, Joe Paterno would have done more. Those also are his words -- "I wish I had done more." And that's a start. It's a lot more than he felt he should do in 2002, when he was told of an apparent sexual assault committed by former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky on a young boy within his football building. In 2002, Paterno didn't do very much. He literally did the legal minimum. He told his supervisor, and then he went on with his life.

As did Jerry Sandusky.

Nine years later, the count of Sandusky's alleged victims has reached nine. There are reports that it could hit 20 or more. Joe Paterno didn't do that, no. But he didn't stop it either. That's why he says "I wish I had done more." And that's why he's "absolutely devastated."

And that's why he can't coach this Saturday. Or next Saturday. Or ever again.

We don't need hindsight to know that this cannot happen one more time, even if it would be one last time. This is Penn State's home finale, and Paterno announced Wednesday that he will retire at the end of the season, but that's not good enough. That's not good at all.

Paterno cannot be cheered by more than 100,000 people, which is what would happen Saturday. He cannot be idolized for three more hours. He cannot be upheld as a hero, as a paragon of virtue, as everything that is right about Penn State.

Because he is none of those things. Not anymore.

Today, Joe Paterno is part of the problem, part of a cowardly system that looked the other way for nine years as an alleged pedophile was roaming State College. More than that -- Sandusky was using the Penn State football offices as one of his home bases.

You going to celebrate that, Penn State? And you, Penn State fans?

Are you?

Really?

No. This cannot happen, and a growing part of me thinks it won't. A few days ago, that didn't seem possible. Joe Paterno has called the shots for decades. He has been untouchable, refusing to retire when he hit 65, then 70, then 75, even as his program -- back when he was into his upper 70s -- was scuffling along in mediocrity. He's untouchable, and that seemed to extend even to these horrific circumstances when his supervisor, athletics director Tim Curley, and vice president Gary Schultz were indicted on charges of not acting on that alleged assault in 2002 ... but Paterno was not.

Untouchable, even now. Even after this. That's how it looked until Wednesday morning, when Paterno announced he was resigning after this season. But even in making that announcement -- when he noted that he was "absolutely devastated" and that "I wish I had done more" -- Paterno tried to call the shots. He tried to tell the Penn State Board of Trustees to leave him alone, to let him exit on his terms.

Paterno said, "I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can."

You catch the key line in there?

The Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status.

Because Paterno has already made that decision, see. He has always made the decisions regarding his football program, which could explain why his "bosses" didn't report Jerry Sandusky's alleged sexual assault in 2002 to police: If Paterno isn't reporting it to police, why would anyone else? It's his program, and Sandusky was his longtime assistant, and the alleged assault happened in his building. Paterno calls the shots. Subliminally, he called that one in 2002.

Which means someone else has to call this one, now. The Board of Trustees has been dared by Paterno to try -- just try -- to keep him from coaching Saturday. The Board of Trustees needs to call that bluff. The Board of Trustees needs to inform Paterno that he has served Penn State mostly well for 61 years, but that his one ethical lapse, perhaps his only ethical lapse, was of such a grievous nature that he cannot be allowed to lead this football team even once more.

In State College, Penn State students appear to fully support Paterno, missing the irony that the roughly 10-year-old kid in that alleged incident in 2002 would be a college student today. Maybe a Penn State student. Maybe that kid is a Penn State student. Nobody knows who he is, and if that's the way he wants it, I hope we never find out. His identity is his business, not ours.

But the irony is incredible. Penn State students have spent the past few days marching all over campus -- to Paterno's house, to the stadium and even to the campus nerve center, a beautiful building called Old Main. They have marched in support of Paterno. They believe he should coach this Saturday, and as long as he wants to coach. That's their position.

In less biased and more mature circles, the position is different. Paterno cannot coach Saturday, just as receivers coach Mike McQueary cannot coach Saturday, and PSU president Graham Spanier can't (and apparently won't) still be the school president Saturday, and the "on leave" AD, Tim Curley, shouldn't still have the make-believe option of returning to his office ever again. Anyone who knew about the allegations against Jerry Sandusky in 2002 -- a list that started with McQueary, who told Paterno, who told Curley -- cannot represent the school. Not in an official capacity.

Not ever again.

Paterno has thrown out his challenge:

The Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status.

And now I've thrown out mine:

Not one more day as head coach, BOT. Not for Joe Paterno. Call it a firing, call it a resignation, call it a retirement. Call it whatever you want.

But call it over.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 09, 2011, 04:32:03 PM
Since I can, I am changing my opinion on the GA.  28 years old?  Jesus.  All of them should go down.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 09, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
I still think Gregg Doyle is a douche canoe, but that is a great article.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 09, 2011, 04:40:59 PM
When you state that Victim 8 brings all of those (more?) credible factors to the case and essentially slams the door, why?  What would they bring that Victims 1-7 haven’t?  Are you meaning strictly from having a “live” person stand in front of the courtroom/camera and tell their story (I think you are)?  If so, would an anonymous or confidential 8th victim be as beneficial?  I ask in the instance that one of the countless other victims does as the therapists mention, they don’t want their lives publicly remembered by this and want to move on, but would still love to put the definitive nail in the coffin (you know they are dying to, both collectively and invidually).

This is all prefaced on my understanding that 8 is the one in the shower, the allegation that is the most disgusting, and hooks everyone involved on failure to report and perjury.  If the prosecution can go from "8 is a mystery" to "8 is able to testify or at least identified," then you've got so much more firepower.

I've no idea what the Pennsylvania Rules of Evidence are, so I can't comment on how much of what a potential victim says comes into court.  You'd definitely want 8 to testify though, as proving up that one incident sets a precedent for all the other subsequent acts.  It's the first link in the chain and allows all of the outrage for "You saw him on fucking campus with a kid years later!" to turn into criminal complaints.

Again, I could be flat wrong, but I think 8 is the one in the shower, so who the hell knows; the story is now moving fast enough that I'm blending unpleasant details together.  If I'm wrong on that, some other asshole like you and me will correct me I'm sure.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 09, 2011, 04:44:12 PM
This. 

Its the mentality that Joe Pa is above reproach that allowed multiple children to be raped for years at Penn State.

Joe Pa did nothing, so everybody else was satisfied.

Get rid of all of the bastards.  Now. 

I couldn't give two shits about Penn State before this, or after this.  But the way its playing out is a fine illustration of people without decency or rational priorities.

And sadly there will be 100,000 in their stands this weekend shouting "We are...Penn State!" because winning a football game is the most important thing to them.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 04:54:47 PM
I still think Gregg Doyle is a douche canoe, but that is a great article.
He is actually a pretty decent writer who acts like a d-bag to get reaction.  He is way better behind a computer than on the radio.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogustus on November 09, 2011, 05:33:54 PM
Gregg Doyle brought the wood:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16050982/as-you-read-this-paterno-era-at-penn-state-should-be-done

As you read this, Paterno Era at Penn State should be done
 By Gregg Doyel
CBSSports.com National Columnist
 
.........

But call it over.

Right on the money.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 09, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
How does a person commit suicide and have their body never found?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: gmr0723 on November 09, 2011, 06:02:40 PM
How does a person commit suicide and have their body never found?

DIAF?   ???
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Peanut Adams on November 09, 2011, 06:05:22 PM
How does a person commit suicide and have their body never found?

jump in ocean.
walk deep into national forest.
go to amsterdam/prague.

body remnants will be eaten or sold.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 09, 2011, 07:38:54 PM
I'm bothered by some of the stuff thrown around today, here and in the media.

People keep referring to the GA as a "kid".  He was around 6'4", 251 lbs and was a former QB of the state school, which means he wasn't some kid who'd never been kissed up to before.  He was 23 or 28 or whatever.  He was older than many of the people who post on this board and guys who shoot guns in a war.  He wasn't a "kid". 

People keep talking about how the authorities need to step in.  There is no authority, other than Paterno.  He is King.  He told the BOT to simmer down and not worry as he's made the decision when to step down... so I guess they better get to steppin' in PA, right?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 09, 2011, 07:39:04 PM
A therapist on Outside The Lines just made a really good point.  There will be many, many victims of Sandusky's that will NEVER come forward.  They would be in their 20's now.  Young men who have moved on with their lives and don't want the stigma of child rape being forever tied to them.


Very sad and just another reason that fucker and that program should burn.

Wait until the lawsuits start getting filed. Those victims will come forward then, I'm sure. Money does that to people.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: One Quarter on November 09, 2011, 07:55:52 PM
Wait until the lawsuits start getting filed. Those victims will come forward then, I'm sure. Money does that to people.

I think the Victims from the grand jury report would be too late, unless they're under 20. It looks like PA's statute for intentional torts is 2 years or 2 years after a minor's 18th birthday.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 09, 2011, 08:06:08 PM
And sadly there will be 100,000 in their stands this weekend shouting "We are...Penn State!" because winning a football game is the most important thing to them.

You would think that they would boycott the games until Paterno is gone.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LaMoHog on November 09, 2011, 08:08:57 PM
http://offthebench.nbcsports.com/2011/11/09/jerry-sandusky-rubbed-out-by-artist-of-penn-state-mural/related

Curious choice of words for the title of an article.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razordoc on November 09, 2011, 08:20:27 PM
I still think Gregg Doyle is a douche canoe, but that is a great article.

Frick that douche canoe.  He can DIAF, a slow-burning one for all I care, handing by his testicles.  I know this is off-thread, and this thread is serious aMm, but lest we forget:

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11056403

That fricker should never be given any credence on this board, no matter what the subject.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razorback Jedi on November 09, 2011, 08:28:52 PM
Frick that douche canoe.  He can DIAF, a slow-burning one for all I care, handing by his testicles.  I know this is off-thread, and this thread is serious aMm, but lest we forget:

http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11056403

That fricker should never be given any credence on this board, no matter what the subject.


http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=define:+objectivity&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 08:32:46 PM
10 pm eastern press conference by the BOT...

Concerning Spanier and Joe
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: WPFM on November 09, 2011, 08:37:17 PM
How does a person commit suicide and have their body never found?

I'm not sure, but I think TulsaHawg should look into it for us.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 08:37:25 PM
I'm sure its linked before, but this deserves another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7JXoXdIJQ7I#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7JXoXdIJQ7I#!)

A child molester on his staff, which he and the university knew about and this fricker is leading "We are Penn State!" cheers on his front lawn.

 :sick:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 09, 2011, 08:39:40 PM
You would think that they would boycott the games until Paterno is gone.

That's what someone with morals would do, don't be crazy!

I wouldn't just boycott games, I would refuse to even acknowledge that school existed anymore until every person directly or indirectly involved is shown the door.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 09, 2011, 08:42:59 PM
The picture that's starting to come into focus is incredibly ugly. Paterno is getting off easy. He was bigger at PSU than Frank ever was at Arkansas. He was complicit in all this as much if not more than everyone above and below him. And in the end they all turned the other way while a sick individual destroyed lives. They all deserve to burn although that won't happen. And spare me all the legal bullshit. They'll get their day in court but there's not this much smoke without one big-ass fire underneath. The destruction of Paterno's legacy and the PSU program would be paltry compensation for the lives destroyed.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 09, 2011, 08:44:58 PM
You know, as a player I would have serious reservations about suiting up again for a school that continues to employ people who knowingly covered up CHILD RAPE.

Like I said earlier, all the people who continue to support and encourage those involved in this shit are implicitly looking the other way at CHILD RAPE.

Administrators, faculty, coaches, players, alumni, and fans.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 08:45:57 PM
You know, as a player I would have serious reservations about suiting up again for a school that continues to employ people who knowingly covered up CHILD RAPE.

Like I said earlier, all the people who continue to support and encourage those involved in this shit are implicitly looking the other way at CHILD RAPE.

Administrators, faculty, coaches, players, alumni, and fans.
Players gave him a standing ovation today when he addressed them.  They have no clue.  I am sure they are blocking this all out.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 08:50:26 PM
KegsnEggs Adam Kramer
RT @Jim_Gardner: Action News source says #JoePaterno will not coach another game. #Spanier has resigned.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 08:54:20 PM
darrenrovell darren rovell
Joe Paterno will never represent Penn State in any official capacity ever again. Pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 09:00:04 PM
Ben_Jones88 Ben Jones
Oh my God. State College is going to burn to the ground. Word is Joe may be out

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:03:08 PM
Players gave him a standing ovation today when he addressed them.  They have no clue.  I am sure they are blocking this all out.

Also there was basically a student mob last night demanding that Jo Pa get to keep his job. Either they ignorant to the facts here, child rape doesn't bother them, or they simply don't get.

The easy bet is on the entire University putting on the blinders this weekend. 100,000+ show up and give him a ovation in line with what would go down if zombie Bear Bryant crawled out of the grave and onto Bryant Denny field during halftime.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DrMongoose on November 09, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
live stream here  http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8425797 (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8425797)

also on espn news

all twitter reports from various news outlets in penn state area are that paterno and president are done now

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 09:06:55 PM
Presser live here:

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8425797

Also on B1G Network and ESPN News.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:08:45 PM
Funny, as i was writing that last post the entire Interwebs melted down.

Yep. PSU may burn to the ground tonight.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DLog12 on November 09, 2011, 09:14:25 PM
No longer the coach effectively immediately
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Too Big Pig on November 09, 2011, 09:16:26 PM
Good for them.  Nice job having a sack Board of Trustees.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:16:37 PM
Over under on the number of "Joe Pa" chants are this weekend's game?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:18:23 PM
University Pres tenders his resignation as well. No word on the AD, yet.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 09, 2011, 09:18:37 PM
Their BOT stepped up and made th right call.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Kill The Ref on November 09, 2011, 09:19:28 PM
University Pres tenders his resignation as well. No word on the AD, yet.
AD resigned a couple days ago.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SpongeHawg on November 09, 2011, 09:19:40 PM
Live video on CNN.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 09:20:33 PM
McQueary still has a job.  Lotta Butt Hurt going on....
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 09, 2011, 09:25:01 PM
Crazy ass damage control cya shit going on.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:25:27 PM
Unbelievable... many of the questions here are being critical of the BoT.


What's the harm of letting Joe Pa finish the season?

Do you think you're rushing to judgement?

How is this is the best interest of the university?

Wow. Un fricking believable.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: razor5396 on November 09, 2011, 09:25:58 PM
The reporters are all acting butthurt about firing Paterno without proper evidence. Fuck them, Fuck their program. Enjoy your dilapidated football program assholes.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 09, 2011, 09:30:10 PM
darrenrovell darren rovell
Joe Paterno will never represent Penn State in any official capacity ever again. Pretty amazing.

The first thing they've gotten right in this whole mess.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 09, 2011, 09:30:37 PM
That BOT rep is a bigger man than anyone else there including the douche reporters.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 09, 2011, 09:30:58 PM
These reporters are unbelievable. Does everyone there condone the sodomizing of innocent children?  My god...
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 09, 2011, 09:31:06 PM
"Are you aware that students were marching on campus earlier???  They are going to be pissed, Poindexter!"

 ::)

Nate and Otis aren't alone.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:31:34 PM
That BOT rep is a bigger man than anyone else there including the douche reporters.

This.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 09, 2011, 09:31:47 PM
I bet this is where Nutt ends up.  He only wants five more years of coaching.  That works well for them for damage control until they can go after a good coach.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 09, 2011, 09:32:48 PM
That BOT rep is a bigger man than anyone else there including the douche reporters.

This is an amazing collection of fuckos, and I don't think they're all media.

This sounds like wiseass students: students are rioting!  Well, heaven forbid, we don't yield to the fucking mob.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 09, 2011, 09:33:10 PM
Unbelievable... many of the questions here are being critical of the BoT.


What's the harm of letting Joe Pa finish the season?

Do you think you're rushing to judgement?

How is this is the best interest of the university?

Wow. Un fricking believable.

Agreed.

Just tell the dumb fucks "we ain't putting up with this shit and that's that" "now STFU and quite acting like a bunch of stupid fucks' "this press conference is over"
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 09, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
The reporters are all acting butthurt about firing Paterno without proper evidence. Fuck them, Fuck their program. Enjoy your dilapidated football program assholes.

It's in the grand jury indictment. He said under oath that he passed what he was told up the chain of command, then did nothing else. For ten years. And the raping continued. At his facilities.

What more do these fucking idiots need to hear? They're defending the most unconscionable act in the world by continuing to protest. It's really disturbing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:34:43 PM
Wow glad they ended that. It was starting to get out of hand.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 09, 2011, 09:34:51 PM
Haha, it's a conspiracy by the Board!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 09, 2011, 09:35:08 PM
That was the most bizarre press conference I have ever seen.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 09:35:18 PM
These are students.


TERRIBLE CROWD CONTROL

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
The man speaking, taking questions at Penn State press conference is John Surma, US Steel President. Son played for Paterno.
1 minute ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 09, 2011, 09:36:38 PM
Matt Millen  can DIAF also
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 09:38:14 PM
greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
I'm a half mile out and I hear the crowd screaming 'F--- Sandusky!'
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 09, 2011, 09:38:30 PM
These are students.


TERRIBLE CROWD CONTROL

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
The man speaking, taking questions at Penn State press conference is John Surma, US Steel President. Son played for Paterno.
1 minute ago Favorite Undo Retweet Reply

http://www.ussteel.com/corp/company/exec_bios/surma.asp
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 09:39:41 PM
http://www.ussteel.com/corp/company/exec_bios/surma.asp

He did a helluva job.  I would have shot that one dumbfuck
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 09:39:57 PM
NotJoePa NotJoe Paterno
I just got royally fucked in the ass
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 09, 2011, 09:41:06 PM
How happy is Jim Tressel right now?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 09, 2011, 09:41:21 PM
Here here. About fucking time.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 09:42:06 PM
dennisdoddcbs Dennis Dodd
I believe I just heard the students yell, "F--- the trustees."


Also, riot coverage on CNN.

"LET'S BURN THIS MOTHER DOWN!!!"
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 09, 2011, 09:43:22 PM
He condoned and covered up child rape you stupid mother fucker. Matt millen can burn in hell with the rest of these pedarasts.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 09:44:25 PM
 :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned: :stunned:

This is UNREAL

I weep for the future.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 09, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
ESPN is blowing the fuck up.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: CJLR on November 09, 2011, 09:47:26 PM
That reminded me of the witch hunt scene in holy Grail.  What a bunch of butt hurt fucks.

In other news, Stuart Scott shops at fazio's apparently.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 09, 2011, 09:48:11 PM
This foreign bitch on CNN has an annoying-ass voice.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 09:48:16 PM
Oh my that mob on campus is huge. This won't end well.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 09, 2011, 09:48:41 PM
Thank the makers that this isn't happening at a place I care about.

Penn State and their entire student body and fan base is coming off looking like a bunch of idiots in this.  The CNN anchor seems aghast and I can promise you anyone who isn't a college football fanatic doesn't get this craziness at all. 

I'd be really ashamed if I was a Penn State alum right now... and really pissed.  Their booster monies are about to go down the deep shitter. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FueltoFire on November 09, 2011, 09:52:24 PM
Pretty sure you can pencil Penn State Football in for a couple of Wednesday night matchups in the coming years.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 09, 2011, 09:52:51 PM
This foreign bitch on CNN has an annoying-ass voice.

I heard she was hot, though. :shocker:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 09, 2011, 09:53:03 PM
Thank the makers that this isn't happening at a place I care about.

Penn State and their entire student body and fan base is coming off looking like a bunch of idiots in this.  The CNN anchor seems aghast and I can promise you anyone who isn't a college football fanatic doesn't get this craziness at all. 

I'd be really ashamed if I was a Penn State alum right now... and really pissed.  Their booster monies are about to go down the deep shitter.


But Cerdo, they have never been found guilty of a major NCCA rules infraction!  "Success with onhim honor."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 09, 2011, 09:53:39 PM
That reminded me of the witch hunt scene in holy Grail.  What a bunch of butt hurt fucks.

In other news, Stuart Scott shops at fazio's apparently.
wait wait wait....why the fuck you gotta hate on Fazio's? He got a penguin, man! It aims to please! Y'all motherfuckers'll tear anything down. Send that up there, I really don't care.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 09:53:51 PM
I am sure there are some proud parents seeing their kids on TV tonight.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 09, 2011, 09:54:17 PM
maybe these will work

http://www.stanford.edu/~tenhoeve/webcams.htm   

Or these

http://www.williamrusk.net/webcam.htm
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 09, 2011, 09:55:26 PM
The Right Reverend will be there to show the protestants how to do it.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Too Big Pig on November 09, 2011, 09:56:02 PM


Also, riot coverage on CNN.



So I flipped over to see if this was true and some commercial with a soldiers in the trenches and tanks rolling was on at the time.  I laughed my ass off.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 09, 2011, 09:56:53 PM
 :stunned:

Yeah I am sure this guy is really there for Joe PA
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: AGNK on November 09, 2011, 09:56:58 PM
At least they didn't get phone records via FOI or fly a plane over a home game...

this is total b.s. Joe deserves so much better than this bc of everything he has done...61 yrs at PSU. He should be here the rest of the year and get to coach his final home game.

the board of trustees are the ones responsable for the university and JoePa job was football coach not to watch over everyone 24/7. he did his job at penn state for 46 years as football coach, 61 total years, the board of trustees wanted JoePa out and they got what they wanted plain and simple JoePa out, the board of trustees sould be the ones out of a job they are a total failure to the university. You do not fire someone when you do not have all the facts and JoePa did his job for 61 years.

espn you can go to hell what paterno did was wrong but because you fools it ended his career cause you $@%!$@%! do is yap.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogggdadi on November 09, 2011, 09:58:11 PM
Paterno is deluded.  How in the world does he think it would be in the universities best interest for him to coach when this investigation is going on?  It is a PR nightmare.  The thought of the possibility of a guy that "didn't do more" in a child rape investigation coaching sends the most awful message. 

paterno should never say "I wish I would have done more". This says I knew, & I cared more about football than the safety of 10 yr old kids. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 09, 2011, 10:01:28 PM
At least they didn't get phone records via FOI or fly a plane over a home game...

this is total b.s. Joe deserves so much better than this bc of everything he has done...61 yrs at PSU. He should be here the rest of the year and get to coach his final home game.

the board of trustees are the ones responsable for the university and JoePa job was football coach not to watch over everyone 24/7. he did his job at penn state for 46 years as football coach, 61 total years, the board of trustees wanted JoePa out and they got what they wanted plain and simple JoePa out, the board of trustees sould be the ones out of a job they are a total failure to the university. You do not fire someone when you do not have all the facts and JoePa did his job for 61 years.

espn you can go to hell what paterno did was wrong but because you fools it ended his career cause you $@%!$@%! do is yap.

Beyond delusional. Scary to be completely honest.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:03:29 PM
Penn State and their entire student body and fan base is coming off looking like a bunch of idiots in this.  The CNN anchor seems aghast and I can promise you anyone who isn't a college football fanatic doesn't get this craziness at all.

Yeah. Gonna be a lots of folks ashamed of themselves a short time down the road.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snowman Slayer on November 09, 2011, 10:04:01 PM
http://deadspin.com/5857676/ravens-radio-guy-gerry-sandusky-would-like-to-remind-you-and-dick-ebersol-hes-not-jerry-sandusky
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 10:04:25 PM
PSU.edu (http://PSU.edu) is down.


Scratch that.. back up again. DoS incoming.


Yup. Down again.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: raisinsnacks on November 09, 2011, 10:09:46 PM
British bitch on CNN is about to go Groundskeeper Willie on the students.

"Ach! You call this a soccer riot?  Come on, boys, let's taken 'em to school."

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vY8I5HvOvk8/ScPH3vyPCHI/AAAAAAAAEj4/8BfX3eSPEis/s400/willy.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on November 09, 2011, 10:10:11 PM
He did a helluva job.  I would have shot that one dumbfuck

Agreed.  He appears to have faced hostile (or at least unfriendly) questioning before and I suspect he was chosen (or volunteered) to speak because of his skills at this sort of thing.  I doubt there was much competition to be the one to take  questions.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 10:11:01 PM
(http://p.twimg.com/Ad3HKlDCEAEkRcp.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 10:11:37 PM
"Right now, I'm not the football coach... and that's something I have to get used to." -- Joe Pa
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Kill The Ref on November 09, 2011, 10:13:42 PM
Andy Staples just buzzed killed the CNN chick.   *:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 10:14:29 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/444448091.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1320899394&Signature=MQ1o%2Bf5TrsgMfjy5ptHAJ5HaTIM%3D)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:17:04 PM
British bitch on CNN is about to go Groundskeeper Willie on the students.

"Ach! You call this a soccer riot?  Come on, boys, let's taken 'em to school."

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vY8I5HvOvk8/ScPH3vyPCHI/AAAAAAAAEj4/8BfX3eSPEis/s400/willy.jpg)

 :maundoed: Nice.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Clark on November 09, 2011, 10:18:37 PM
I see no rioting. It's a gathering. Still, send in the Oakland SWAT team.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 09, 2011, 10:19:02 PM
http://www.ussteel.com/corp/company/exec_bios/surma.asp

That is one of the most impressive jobs I've ever seen taking tough questions in a press conference (or any sort of interview).  Its even more impressive watching it the second time. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 10:19:05 PM
greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Down goes the first light post. Crowd cheers this mighty victory.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 09, 2011, 10:19:24 PM
So are PSU students protesting in support of NAMBLA?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hawgfanatic on November 09, 2011, 10:20:27 PM
That is one of the most impressive jobs I've ever seen taking tough questions in a press conference (or any sort of interview).  Its even more impressive watching it the second time.

Agreed. Missed it the first time so this is my first time to see it. He did an absolutely outstanding job.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 09, 2011, 10:21:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HXM4sqp2W1I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HXM4sqp2W1I)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DrMongoose on November 09, 2011, 10:25:00 PM
so anderson cooper finally shows up on cnn and is talking to dr. phil.

wow. killed their coverage
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:25:22 PM
They've been practicing for this night since MAY.  :stunned:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=739ZcF4B4Ys&feature=fvst
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 09, 2011, 10:27:07 PM
At least they didn't get phone records via FOI or fly a plane over a home game...

this is total b.s. Joe deserves so much better than this bc of everything he has done...61 yrs at PSU. He should be here the rest of the year and get to coach his final home game.

the board of trustees are the ones responsable for the university and JoePa job was football coach not to watch over everyone 24/7. he did his job at penn state for 46 years as football coach, 61 total years, the board of trustees wanted JoePa out and they got what they wanted plain and simple JoePa out, the board of trustees sould be the ones out of a job they are a total failure to the university. You do not fire someone when you do not have all the facts and JoePa did his job for 61 years.

espn you can go to Starkville what paterno did was wrong but because you fools it ended his career cause you $@%!$@%! do is yap.


61 YEARS!!!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogye West on November 09, 2011, 10:27:22 PM
Two arrests and firing smoke canisters. This is fucking nuts
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:27:36 PM
Those PSU kids are some protesting muhfrickers. I'm starting to think they don't even care about JoePa - they just like to Fight teh Power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdaCeiUpdco
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 09, 2011, 10:30:35 PM
Yeah. Gonna be a lots of folks ashamed of themselves a short time down the road.

(http://www.glogster.com/media/4/32/49/32/32493279.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 09, 2011, 10:31:52 PM
(http://cache0.bigcartel.com/product_images/32747548/WWWCover.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:32:04 PM
(http://www.glogster.com/media/4/32/49/32/32493279.jpg)

Yep.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on November 09, 2011, 10:33:22 PM
Has Hoot announced that he is not interested in the opening yet?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Kill The Ref on November 09, 2011, 10:34:24 PM
Wikipedia moves fast...Joe Pa is already former football coach.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:35:15 PM
Has Hoot announced that he is not interested in the opening yet?

He hasn't had a chance for them to turn him down yet.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on November 09, 2011, 10:36:20 PM
Good luck getting anymore victims to come forward after seeing this huge mob supporting Joe.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:41:23 PM
Good luck getting anymore victims to come forward after seeing this huge mob supporting Joe.

Can you imagine what's going through the mind's of the victims this week?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 09, 2011, 10:44:23 PM
Americans love to romanticize people. Football coaches are no different.  Sad what's happened, but he turned a blind eye to persistant child rape. He did only the bare minimum required by law and that's it. Meanwhile the rapist is still granted access and continues to rape little children. 

No person can do enough in his past to build up enough equity to excuse being complicit to child rape.  He had to be fired.  100,000 idiot fans would be chanting his name on ESPN Saturday, while he gets carted off the field on players shoulders. The school might as well had shut its doors right there.

I'm so sick of people saying "he did so much for PSU to be fired over the phone."  Just stop.  If your son was raped by that ex defensive coach, and you found out Joe Paterno did next to nothing, you would be calling for his head
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 09, 2011, 10:51:14 PM
So, Nebraska comes to town on Saturday.  Great.  Cornhuskers v Cornholers.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: APhiOHog on November 09, 2011, 10:51:42 PM
Americans love to romanticize people. Football coaches are no different.  Sad what's happened, but he turned a blind eye to persistant child rape. He did only the bare minimum required by law and that's it. Meanwhile the rapist is still granted access and continues to rape little children. 

No person can do enough in his past to build up enough equity to excuse being complicit to child rape.  He had to be fired.  100,000 idiot fans would be chanting his name on ESPN Saturday, while he gets carted off the field on players shoulders. The school might as well had shut its doors right there.

I'm so sick of people saying "he did so much for PSU to be fired over the phone."  Just stop.  If your son was raped by that ex defensive coach, and you found out Joe Paterno did next to nothing, you would be calling for his head

I'm hearing from some folks that Paterno DIDN'T fulfill the minimum - that Pennsylvania is a "first-hand reporting" state, which apparently means everyone that heard about it is required by law to notify the police.  It's a felony not to report.  The only reason Paterno et al aren't being charged is because it's beyond the statute of limitations. 

Again don't know how much to believe from this random broheim on facebook, but he seems pretty sure of what he's saying.  I have no CNN so I don't know if this has already been discussed.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 10:52:36 PM
I've been away from the intertubes this evening and just tuned in.  I'm shocked at the rally happening for an enabler of a child rapist.

This is unreal.


Anyone have a link to the announcement from the BOT?


If those punk kids keep it up, PSU needs to shut the rest of the season down starting this weekend.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 10:53:54 PM
Americans love to romanticize people. Football coaches are no different.  Sad what's happened, but he turned a blind eye to persistant child rape. He did only the bare minimum required by law and that's it. Meanwhile the rapist is still granted access and continues to rape little children. 

No person can do enough in his past to build up enough equity to excuse being complicit to child rape.  He had to be fired.  100,000 idiot fans would be chanting his name on ESPN Saturday, while he gets carted off the field on players shoulders. The school might as well had shut its doors right there.

I'm so sick of people saying "he did so much for PSU to be fired over the phone."  Just stop.  If your son was raped by that ex defensive coach, and you found out Joe Paterno did next to nothing, you would be calling for his head

With him or without him, that game is going to be a zoo.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 10:57:46 PM
(http://www.apexchange.com/Content/preview/2011/20111110/04/10983261453e0c19fe0e6a706700ceff.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Nick Ahpleeze on November 09, 2011, 11:00:44 PM
 That this SOB "JOE  PA" didn't retire over at least 10 yrs ago (even if all this hadn't have happened ) shows the arrogance of this guy. He knew the PSU supporters would never grow balls enough to ask him to leave even when he's crapping his pants and getting his ass run over on the side lines and basically running the program into the ground. I believe he thinks he something like a mafia don and probably told that GA to keep his trap shut and this would all go away. The school admins. saying he came to them and reported it I think is bullshit.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 09, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
(http://www.apexchange.com/Content/preview/2011/20111110/04/10983261453e0c19fe0e6a706700ceff.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 11:09:16 PM
That this SOB "JOE  PA" didn't retire over at least 10 yrs ago (even if all this hadn't have happened ) shows the arrogance of this guy. He knew the PSU supporters would never grow balls enough to ask him to leave even when he's crapping his pants and getting his ass run over on the side lines and basically running the program into the ground. I believe he thinks he something like a mafia don and probably told that GA to keep his trap shut and this would all go away. The school admins. saying he came to them and reported it I think is bullshit.

Say what you will about what he should have done in response to Sandusky, and, I'll agree 100%. But as far as the football program goes, I don't see how he 'ran it into the ground.' PSU had a few slim years in the early 2000's, but - from what I remember - have been pretty competative since then. Obviously, this has NO bearing on what's important here. But, (re: football only) you can't call this guy a Nutt, right? Not even a Bobby Bowden. Up until this week, he was the coach of a 1-loss team - to Bammer - and had a top 20 recruiting class coming in next year. Arrogant, yes - a person who made HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE  selfish decisions about what have should have been done here, of course. Re: football only, a program-killer? No.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 11:09:57 PM
Welp.  I think it's safe to say Alabubba has been superceeded as the most delusional fan base.








EVER!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 09, 2011, 11:12:05 PM
News truck has been flipped:

(http://p.twimg.com/Ad3T5I4CMAIJlwO.jpg:small)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 09, 2011, 11:13:01 PM
News truck has been flipped:

(http://p.twimg.com/Ad3T5I4CMAIJlwO.jpg:small)

That clearly isn't from Oxford.  I don't see any players under there.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 09, 2011, 11:13:55 PM
That clearly isn't from Oxford.  I don't see any players under there.

 :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 11:15:34 PM
That clearly isn't from Oxford.  I don't see any players under there.



 :tiw:



On another note just saw this on teh twitters:

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SunshineSweaterman on November 09, 2011, 11:16:33 PM
It is strange so many people are pissed off about how Paterno was informed that he was fired.

More people should be pissed off about how Paterno failed to inform anyone about the rapes.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 09, 2011, 11:17:08 PM
That clearly isn't from Oxford.  I don't see any players under there.

Goddamn man, u are good.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 11:18:33 PM
More from Brooks:

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
This is a deadly serious matter. Keep the victims in your thoughts. Cannot emphasize that enough. In your thoughts.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
 edsbs edsbs
And @greggdoyelcbs has become the Ernie Pyle of the Battle of State College.



greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
I give this news truck 10 minutes. http://twitter.com/greggdoyelcbs/status/134500208544460800/photo/1


greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Down goes another news truck. And a light pole. And a rumor of police dogs has the crowd running.

CecilHurt Cecil Hurt
I don't know what the game day police presence usually is in State College but they better quadruple it on Saturday.


Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 11:25:27 PM
edsbs edsbs
John Barr: "I see 25 surly cops with riot shields. I'm going to throw my hot coffee on them and see how they react."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on November 09, 2011, 11:37:47 PM
The phone call approach may have been the right answer.  Picture the scene when a BOT member shows up at the house. It would have been very ugly.  And the scene inside the house may not have been much better.  Jerry Jones learned his lesson when he fired Landry in person.  It sounds good and honorable but it doesn't always work out the way intended.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FueltoFire on November 09, 2011, 11:38:28 PM
Kid on the espns had a good point.  The grad assistant still has a job, even though he was the one who witnessed it.  Probably not for long.

Just a thought.....maybe that's how he got a full time position after being a grad assistant?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 11:50:20 PM
Video of the BOT announcement:

http://outkickthecoverage.com/video-penn-state-board-of-trustees-fires-paterno-and-president-spanier.php
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 09, 2011, 11:56:52 PM
LMAO... This is the night to learn teh twitters if you haven't already. 


greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
You know that TV truck I gave 10 minutes to remain upright? I was wrong. It lasted 13 minutes.

greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Someone screams, "Mace!" And the crowd runs like it's Pamplona and someone conjured up a bull

greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
There are 20,000 people in the world who don't understand Joe Pa had to go. And they're on Beaver St, tipping cars



ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
Tom Rinaldi, "Thank you for being on campus and missing every ounce of the story tonight."

ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
Tom Rinaldi reports that he has seen no rioting. What is he doing there?

edsbs edsbs
John Barr wouldn't leave after getting tapped in the leg with a rock, Tom Farrey. Just sayin'.
20 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »


 ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
ESPN's ability to turn live television into live radio is impressive.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 09, 2011, 11:59:08 PM
Lots of pepper spray live on ESPN just now. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 12:01:42 AM
Seriously u need to be reading TMB's thread on this.

http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/is-joe-pa-next-presser-cancelled.101674/page-112
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 12:04:57 AM
Lots of pepper spray live on ESPN just now.

That was awesome.




Here's a recent picture of McQueary.  If only he were bigger and stronger.  He might have been able to stop Grandpa Sandusky while he was raping that child.

(http://i.usatoday.net/communitymanager/_photos/campus-rivalry/2011/11/09/mcquearypaternox-large.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Austin Nichols on November 10, 2011, 12:05:23 AM
Will Ole Miss interview Joe Paterno?  I mean, he didn't stand up for human rights and allowed a segment of the population to be mistreated.  Is that a bonus on the application?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 12:07:25 AM
Will Ole Miss interview Joe Paterno?  I mean, he didn't stand up for human rights and allowed a segment of the population to be mistreated.  Is that a bonus on the application?

Vice versa.  Hooty would love to work in a place where it's policy to fuck young men over and the reporters get angry if you're fired for it.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Austin Nichols on November 10, 2011, 12:11:44 AM
Vice versa.  Hooty would love to work in a place where it's policy to fuck young men over and the reporters get angry if you're fired for it.

Wyatt, I ain't got the words.

 :hollah:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 12:15:47 AM
The interim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Bradley_(American_football)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: travark on November 10, 2011, 12:15:55 AM
1.)  McQueary Pic:  No doubt.  What could he have possibly done to stop the atrocity?  "I know, I'll run call my dad!"  Dad: "Leave the building!  Save yourself!  Get a good night's sleep, then, you know, ask around about it in the morning."

2.)  TMB Thread:  Heh.  Came across this particular comparison in that thread...
  "Latest pics from Ole Miss fans rioting over Houston Nutt's firing: http://yfrog.com/hsc5lcclj "
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 12:18:44 AM

2.)  TMB Thread:  Heh.  Came across this particular comparison in that thread...
  "Latest pics from Ole Miss fans rioting over Houston Nutt's firing: http://yfrog.com/hsc5lcclj "

i chortled'd.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TC on November 10, 2011, 12:21:38 AM
:tiw:



On another note just saw this on teh twitters:

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
If what I was told tonight about the details of the new allegation in Sandusky child sex case is true, it will horrify the public.

What could be more fucking horrific than this?   10 year old male cadavers under his floorboards?  He was/is in an affair with a 25 year old man on and off since he was 9?  Or more than one man/child was involved at the same time.

Either way, that's a really short list, Brooks.  I hope you're wrong.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 10, 2011, 12:57:56 AM
DE-lusional:

http://pennstate.247sports.com/Board/18/NUMBjust-NUMBfeel-for-the-kidsbut-I-still-feel-for-Joe-5422997/1

http://pennstate.247sports.com/Board/18/The-BOT-IS-AN-UTTER-JOKE-5423036/1


From the bottom link: 

ReplyQuoteRate UpRate Down3 hours ago via 247Sports Mobile
Itzsessil said...

Anybody wanna check on the half a million dollar House McQueary just bought?
Sad that you can not see that joe the pope of psu has put his program and legacy ahead of the kids. We all see you have been on a pathetic mission for the last few days and like joe failed the kids you failed your mission. go ask joe why he called Virginia and tipped them off about sanduskey if he did not know anything.  :o



Their program not only needs to die in a fire, but many of their ignorant, poorly educated students need to be locked inside as it burns.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 01:17:58 AM
Will Ole Miss interview Joe Paterno?  I mean, he didn't stand up for human rights and allowed a segment of the population to be mistreated.  Is that a bonus on the application?

Vice versa.  Hooty would love to work in a place where it's policy to fuck young men over and the reporters get angry if you're fired for it.


This right here is solid as gibralter
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 01:25:42 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/TQ0Sr.png)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on November 10, 2011, 01:43:50 AM
Seriously u need to be reading TMB's thread on this.

http://www.the-mainboard.com/index.php?threads/is-joe-pa-next-presser-cancelled.101674/page-112

Oh indeed. 

Nothing going on with this link at the moment, but finding the local police scanner on the faceypages is strong:

http://www.radioreference.com/scripts/playlists/1/1164/0-5283618788.m3u
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 02:58:07 AM
DE-lusional:

http://pennstate.247sports.com/Board/18/NUMBjust-NUMBfeel-for-the-kidsbut-I-still-feel-for-Joe-5422997/1


"What if Joe Paterno's influence actually helped prevent multiple young men from becoming murderers or child molesters?"  :stunned:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 10, 2011, 05:25:39 AM
1.)  McQueary Pic:  No doubt.  What could he have possibly done to stop the atrocity?  "I know, I'll run call my dad!"  Dad: "Leave the building!  Save yourself!  Get a good night's sleep, then, you know, ask around about it in the morning."


This is insane.  Not that I'd have stopped to call my Dad under those circumstances, but if I had his first words would be "what the fuck are you calling me for?  Get your ass in there and stop it."

And he'd have called the cops while I did so.

This is basic human morality that has broken down here.  By not stopping the monster, they've all become monsters.  The whole lot of them can rot in hell alongside their defenders.

I sure hope the truth about that missing DA comes out eventually.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 10, 2011, 05:34:59 AM
holy shit.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 10, 2011, 05:37:08 AM
This is basic human morality that has broken down here.

This, right here.  That recent pic is not only a testament to why he could  have stopped it, but also why he didn't.  His desire to work at Penn State trumped the chance to stop something horrific.  Burn in hell, you fucking ginger.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: travark on November 10, 2011, 06:18:04 AM
This, right here.  That recent pic is not only a testament to why he could  have stopped it, but also why he didn't.  His desire to work at Penn State trumped the chance to stop something horrific.  Burn in Starkville, you fricking ginger.

Yep.  It's mind-boggling to me that a person would even -admit- that kind of thing.  Just throwing out in your Grand Jury testimony that you witnessed a minor being sexually assaulted and you, confidently and decisively, left to talk it over with your dad.  It's as if he's not even aware that it probably wasn't the ideal course of action.

http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=ycn-10399373

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on November 10, 2011, 07:02:20 AM
Besides the horrendous impact this will have on all the victim's lives, what gets me....

Paterno KNEW the man was a homosexual serial pedophile...and let him keep an office and have camps and such on campus?  Camps for boys?  WTF? WTF?

Forget innocent until proven guilty.  Are you saying he should wait until the pedophile is convicted before doing anything?  What kind of response is that?  Wait years and years for the monster to be caught, then let the trial play out, and if he is found guilty, only then do something about your arrangements?  WTF?  WHO would think that smart?  Hell, I'd have run him for nothing more than fear of the fallout if the above scenario played out...I'd be smart enough (barely) to see I'd be seen as an enabler.

If you look at things...short of actively supplying the boys for the Monster, Paterno's chain of actions is about the worst set of choices imaginable.

This makes me so fucking mad...all those boys' lives screwed up.  And, bottom line, the sickening chain of events enabled by Paterno.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 07:20:19 AM
What does Sandusky know about Paterno and PSU that caused them to look the other way on this?  They "fired" him and told him to not bring boys to campus.  He continued to do so and they continued to ignore it.  They must have their own skeletons.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 07:39:51 AM
What does Sandusky know about Paterno and PSU that caused them to look the other way on this?  They "fired" him and told him to not bring boys to campus.  He continued to do so and they continued to ignore it.  They must have their own skeletons.
Word on the street is that it's about to get a lot worse...





at least that's what Brooks says.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogtired on November 10, 2011, 07:55:54 AM
Will Ole Miss interview Joe Paterno?  I mean, he didn't stand up for human rights and allowed a segment of the population to be mistreated.  Is that a bonus on the application?

He would continue the practice of taking snaps from recruits in his office and at PSU, the shower.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 08:15:54 AM
Again, I could be flat wrong, but I think 8 is the one in the shower, so who the Starkville knows; the story is now moving fast enough that I'm blending unpleasant details together.  If I'm wrong on that, some other asshole like you and me will correct me I'm sure.

Since I'm the resident Bama fan and thus already assumed to be an asshole, I'll do it.

Sadly, victim 8 is not the child he was raping in the shower when the GA walked in on them.  Victim 8's assault was in 2000, but in that case a janitor caught him blowing the kid in the showers while the team was off at an away game.  The janitor told everyone on the crew, but it didn't go further because they were scared of losing their jobs and the janitor can't testify now because he has dementia.  They need the victim because all the others can only directly testify to seeing Sandusky with the boy coming out of the shower area and both being wet.  I don't know if they'll be allowed to testify about what the janitor told them he witnessed .  The child the GA caught him raping is identified as victim 2 in the indictment.



After watching the riots last night, I can only ask why someone couldn't have bought those asswipes a few gallons of gasoline so they could go ahead and start what clearly needs to be done to that entire child molester loving place.


I think the Victims from the grand jury report would be too late, unless they're under 20. It looks like PA's statute for intentional torts is 2 years or 2 years after a minor's 18th birthday.

They still may be time barred, but rest assured they won't sue in state court. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 10, 2011, 08:20:15 AM
Besides the horrendous impact this will have on all the victim's lives, what gets me....

Paterno KNEW the man was a homosexual serial pedophile...


Yeah, it would've been much better if he was a heterosexual serial pedophile......the homosexual part is what pushes it over the edge.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 10, 2011, 08:21:53 AM
RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

FUCK PENN STATE  :bird:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 10, 2011, 08:22:30 AM
nm
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 10, 2011, 08:22:41 AM
Word on the street is that it's about to get a lot worse...





at least that's what Brooks says.

Friend of mine graduated college with one of the local news announcers in Happy Valley and according to her it is going to get a lot worse.  Lots of bad stuff hasn't come out yet.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shortstop6 on November 10, 2011, 08:24:15 AM
What does Sandusky know about Paterno and PSU that caused them to look the other way on this?  They "fired" him and told him to not bring boys to campus.  He continued to do so and they continued to ignore it.  They must have their own skeletons.

The morning show on The Ticket in Dallas was wondering today about The Second Mile Foundation or whatever it's called.

Was/is it a front for the slush fund used to pay the players and Sandusky had the goods on that, so they couldn't burn him without him bringing the program down?

EDIT: and they just played the audio GolfingAndy referenced above.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 10, 2011, 08:26:12 AM
Sandisky will off himself soon
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 10, 2011, 08:28:39 AM
The morning show on The Ticket in Dallas was wondering today about The Second Mile Foundation or whatever it's called.

Was/is it a front for the slush fund used to pay the players and Sandusky had the goods on that, so they couldn't burn him without him bringing the program down?

EDIT: and they just played the audio GolfingAndy referenced above.



Funded by the pimping out monies
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 10, 2011, 08:30:58 AM
Sandisky will off himself soon

Yep, or at least it will look that way.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 10, 2011, 08:31:38 AM
Sandisky will off himself soon

Hopefully the bullet isn't instantly fatal, and he lays on the floor in great pain, dying slowly, as he bleeds profusely from his head.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogfan58 on November 10, 2011, 08:32:16 AM
I thought that Big 10-11 was above all this seedy stuff? Makes Jim Tressel  and THE Ohio State look like choirboys.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Peanut Adams on November 10, 2011, 08:42:25 AM
Sandisky will off himself soon
i'm certain Paterno will croak any day now. regardless of how much he knew about, this is some serious shock for his old ass body.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shortstop6 on November 10, 2011, 08:45:01 AM
Hopefully the bullet isn't instantly fatal, and he lays on the floor in great pain, dying slowly, as he bleeds profusely from his head.

Buckwheats for all of them.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 08:52:33 AM
RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

FUCK PENN STATE  :bird:
As the father of a young child, an educator and a human being...this shit makes me wanna retch, and yet I still hope that it's not true. As a member of the human race, I'm hoping that rock bottom has been reached for these people. But I also understand that you reap what you sow...and debts must be paid.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ocelot_ark on November 10, 2011, 08:54:41 AM
RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

frick PENN STATE  :bird:

link: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 08:55:55 AM
Sandisky will off himself soon

I hope not, at least not yet.

He's the only one that can say who knew what and when.  He can tell who helped protect him since 1998 - and probably much further back.

He's the only one that can say with certainty who else other than those previously identified among the university staff, local law enforcement, and elected officials played a part in promoting child rape for at least a decade and a half.  So no, he needs to stay alive for now.

Lie to him.  Give him some hope for his future.  Tell him you understand.  Get him to spill his guts.

And then let his ass get shanked in the prison shower like Dahmer.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 10, 2011, 09:02:51 AM
Yep, or at least it will look that way.
This.

Fall to his death upstairs or something like that....  Watch and see. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 09:03:25 AM
I hope not, at least not yet.

He's the only one that can say who knew what and when.  He can tell who helped protect him since 1998 - and probably much further back.

He's the only one that can say with certainty who else other than those previously identified among the university staff, local law enforcement, and elected officials played a part in promoting child rape for at least a decade and a half.  So no, he needs to stay alive for now.

Lie to him.  Give him some hope for his future.  Tell him you understand.  Get him to spill his guts.

And then let his ass get shanked in the prison shower like Dahmer.
He has something waiting in the showers for him...but it ain't a shiv.

The state of Pennsylvania knows prison. The oldest in America (Eastern State) was founded by the Quakers. They believed in reforming a person. Sandusky has (allegedly) proven time and time again that the Quakers were idealistic. Some things just can't be "fixed".
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 10, 2011, 09:03:42 AM
link: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11
JUDAS.  I didn't think it could get any worse now this.  I cannot believe how outright bold and brazen this SOB was to do this and think he'd never get caught.  I agree with the above comment....I bet he blows his head off before he ever makes it to court.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 09:08:51 AM
RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

FUCK PENN STATE  :bird:

If there is ANY truth to that rumor (not doubting you personally, Andy), it might add credibility to the theory that the missing prosecutor didn't disappear willingly.  I couldn't see PSU staff or alumni taking out a hit on someone, but I could see one or more wealthy pervs doing anything necessary to derail that investigation.

That said, you would expect Sandusky to have "disappeared" as well.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jostlyn McCocksack on November 10, 2011, 09:12:51 AM
This is the single most fucked up thing I hav ever seen in my life
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 10, 2011, 09:17:01 AM
If there is ANY truth to that rumor (not doubting you personally, Andy), it might add credibility to the theory that the missing prosecutor didn't disappear willingly.  I couldn't see PSU staff or alumni taking out a hit on someone, but I could see one or more wealthy pervs doing anything necessary to derail that investigation.

That said, you would expect Sandusky to have "disappeared" as well.

No way, then they would have lost their pipeline to the prime boy ass!  :puke:

I HATE everyone involved in this.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ocelot_ark on November 10, 2011, 09:24:41 AM
If they come out and it's proven that the PSU athletic department, Paterno, boosters, etc had any part in covering up widespread child prostitution...that whole program should, literally, be shut down.  No 5, 10, 20, 30 year penalty. Shut. The. fuck. Down.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 10, 2011, 09:26:04 AM
I'm thinking lawsuits are going to take care of most of that.

I wouldn't touch the Penn State job if I were a football coach.... even if I were Houston Nutt.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: libertyhog on November 10, 2011, 09:29:59 AM
Don't know if I read it in this long thread or on twitter, but seems like Sandusky may be out on bail. 

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jostlyn McCocksack on November 10, 2011, 09:37:07 AM
He is out on bail....
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 10, 2011, 09:37:30 AM
Madden was the one who reported on Sandusky back in April ( link many pages back ).  There are some big names on the board of second mile too.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TC on November 10, 2011, 09:38:04 AM
He is our on bail....

Easier for them to kill him, or allow himself to kill himself.  Allegedly.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 09:42:55 AM
Don't know if I read it in this long thread or on twitter, but seems like Sandusky may be out on bail.
Then his ass ain't long for this world. Were I him, I'd be hiding deep DEEP underground...fuckit. It's a lose/lose situation for Mr. Sandusky. Prison? Being someone's bitch. Nope. Freedom? Gettin' whacked by one of my former johns. Nope.

I reiterate; we pay our debts sometime.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 10, 2011, 09:48:15 AM
Then his ass ain't long for this world. Were I him, I'd be hiding deep DEEP underground...fuckit. It's a lose/lose situation for Mr. Sandusky. Prison? Being someone's bitch. Nope. Freedom? Gettin' whacked by one of my former johns. Nope.

I reiterate; we pay our debts sometime.

Theres always a reckoning; its just a matter of when.  And it cant come soon enough for everyone involved in this.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 09:51:17 AM
Then his ass ain't long for this world. Were I him, I'd be hiding deep DEEP underground...fuckit. It's a lose/lose situation for Mr. Sandusky. Prison? Being someone's bitch. Nope. Freedom? Gettin' whacked by one of my former johns. Nope.

I reiterate; we pay our debts sometime.

Unless we have an oxy habit a two eight-tops screaming for their apps and their drinks.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 09:54:15 AM
Theres always a reckoning; its just a matter of when.  And it cant come soon enough for everyone involved in this.
I agree, and I would like to add that the Casey Anthony trial taught me to hold my tongue when saying stupid shit like "Justice will run its course."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 09:56:53 AM
Unless we have an oxy habit a two eight-tops screaming for their apps and their drinks.
Look little kid...I don't know what the FUCK you just said. But it touched me deep down in my heart.


...and knowing you, I'm sure it's pretty goddamn funny.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shortstop6 on November 10, 2011, 09:58:41 AM
I agree, and I would like to add that the Casey Anthony trial taught me to hold my tongue when saying stupid shit like "Justice will run its course."

You had a front row seat for the coaching career of Houston Nutt, but it took Casey Anthony to teach you that? 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 10, 2011, 10:08:49 AM
Well, I gotta say the "pimping out young boys" is a lot more salacious than "killing a prosecutor."

And thanks efd for helping me out.  So, if Victim 2 is identified and he's the shower victim... oops.

How the fuck did Sandusky get bail?  Might be time to get some more charges filed and revoke that shit.  The State does NOT want him killing himself; they want to hammer this thing fucking shut and reap the glory.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 10, 2011, 10:17:09 AM
Does LOIC only apply to students-athletes, or the whole athletic department, in regards to the NCAA? Because I see ALOT of LOIC going on at Pedo State University.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 10:18:46 AM
You had a front row seat for the coaching career of Houston Nutt, but it took Casey Anthony to teach you that?

With Nutt it was just a game. With Anthony, it was a dead little girl. I may be going out on a limb here, but I saw just a bit of difference. Most of the players in the Nutt drama had choices. The dead little girl had none.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 10, 2011, 10:21:30 AM
Kenny Powers on twitter:


KFUCKINGP KFUCKINGP
Famous for watching children get raped. #Pass “@headison: you should probably not talk shit. He's way more famous than You'll ever be”
3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

KFUCKINGP KFUCKINGP
No fucking thanks. “@jackiemae1107: @KFUCKINGP you should probably watch what you say or you'll lose millions of JoePa fans.”
9 minutes ago
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 10:24:55 AM
Well, I gotta say the "pimping out young boys" is a lot more salacious than "killing a prosecutor."

And thanks efd for helping me out.  So, if Victim 2 is identified and he's the shower victim... oops.

How the fuck did Sandusky get bail?  Might be time to get some more charges filed and revoke that shit.  The State does NOT want him killing himself; they want to hammer this thing fucking shut and reap the glory.
If they don't want a seat on that burning wreck of a sinking ship, they'll have been scrambling for this at sun up. But I have a nagging feeling that this is going to be an epic mishandling (no pun intended) that will put all others to shame. For once, I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: pigsteye on November 10, 2011, 10:42:17 AM
Welp.  I think it's safe to say Alabubba has been superceeded as the most delusional fan base.

EVER!


They doubt our commitment to Sparkle Motion.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 10, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
Madden was the one who reported on Sandusky back in April ( link many pages back ).  There are some big names on the board of second mile too.

He was just repeating this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6276219
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 10:49:38 AM
Well, I gotta say the "pimping out young boys" is a lot more salacious than "killing a prosecutor."

And thanks efd for helping me out.  So, if Victim 2 is identified and he's the shower victim... oops.

How the frick did Sandusky get bail?  Might be time to get some more charges filed and revoke that aMm.  The State does NOT want him killing himself; they want to hammer this thing fricking shut and reap the glory.

There were so many victims and the indictment is such a hard read, it is easy to get confused.

I would like to think that they didn't fight the bail request too hard because they don't think he's a suicide risk, they've got him under constant surveillance, and hopefully they're monitoring his communications.

If they don't have him covered 24/7/365, there's a great chance he meets the reaper very soon.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boondock Hogs on November 10, 2011, 11:14:32 AM
This man is a perfect example of why the death penalty needs to be an option for juries for child rapists.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 10, 2011, 11:17:03 AM
There were so many victims and the indictment is such a hard read, it is easy to get confused.

I would like to think that they didn't fight the bail request too hard because they don't think he's a suicide risk, they've got him under constant surveillance, and hopefully they're monitoring his communications.

If they don't have him covered 24/7/365, there's a great chance he meets the reaper very soon.

I also don't recall the bail hearing; it's entirely possible the State wanted no bail and ran into a Judge that just doesn't believe in a "no bail" scenario.  We've got one up here.

I should go out online and go looking for the State's petition.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 10, 2011, 11:17:54 AM
This man is a perfect example of why the death penalty needs to be an option for juries for child rapists.

I think child rape is more heinous than murder. Worst of the worst.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 10, 2011, 11:22:41 AM
He was just repeating this:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6276219

Interesting tidbit from that article.  The attorney general during the beginning of the grand jury investigation in 2009 was Tom Corbitt.  He's now Governor & sat in on last night's BOT meeting.  He was in a unique position to advise the board of what's to come.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 10, 2011, 11:24:43 AM
I think child rape is more heinous than murder. Worst of the worst.

Sandusky has got a big chair next to Hitler waiting for him in hell.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: lawtiger on November 10, 2011, 11:26:41 AM
I should go out online

That's a big step...on the path to living out loud and proud.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 10, 2011, 11:28:05 AM
That's a big step...on the path to living out loud and proud.

I'm looking forward to letting my inner voice SING!

asshole.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LaMoHog on November 10, 2011, 11:28:10 AM
Lie to him.  Give him some hope for his future.  Tell him you understand.  Get him to spill his guts.

Then let him do some research on fellow Commonwealth of Pennsylvania employee Robert Budd Dwyer, call a press conference, and follow suit.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 10, 2011, 11:29:02 AM
Asian child sex slave ring
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 10, 2011, 11:29:37 AM
That's a big step...on the path to living out loud and proud.

This....was fantastic. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on November 10, 2011, 11:30:12 AM
That's a big step...on the path to living out loud and proud.

 :borat:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on November 10, 2011, 11:33:34 AM
Like most everyone else I hope anyone connected to any wrongdoing in this debacle rots in hell, soon.  There are no words to describe how futcked up this is.  The reaction from the Penn State "fans" errr cult last night was a complete disgrace.  But most importantly what on earth can you say about how the victims must have felt all these years?  Those are the ones that need everyone's prayers and I think most agree with that. 

Now not to downplay the seriousness of this, but there is one more thing I hope comes out.  While they are digging through all the garbage I hope they find enough evidence of illegal payments / illegal recruiting / grade fixing / what teh fuckevah to force Penn State to forfeit enough games that Joe Pa's precious little record gets revoked.

I met Eddie Robinson. I associated numerous times with Eddie Robinson before he passed away.  Joe Pa, you are NO Eddie Robinson.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Turd F. on November 10, 2011, 11:43:31 AM
I met Eddie Robinson. I associated numerous times with Eddie Robinson before he passed away.  Joe Pa, you are NO Eddie Robinson.

OT, but Coach Robinson was a super nice guy. I was waiting in line at the local BK back in high school and he turned around, introduced himself, and we started chatting. I don't remember much of what was said other than me being slightly in awe. Class act all the way.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 10, 2011, 11:44:09 AM
Joe Pa, you are NO Eddie Robinson.

I totally agree. JoePa's stand-offish and smart aleck attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way (seriously, no pun intended). He may have been charitable, but he was in no way humble. In my opinion, Robinson far outshines Paterno as a moral figure, leader, and role model.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 10, 2011, 11:58:31 AM
Quote
There is a lot of this story yet to come out. There are a lot of other young boys involved. Some big squeezes in SC will be pulled in as someone gave a Cadillac Escalade to the mom of one of the boys who was molested to keep him quiet--the boy wrecked the car. The Second Mile, a charity with a ton of good works that Sandusky founded, is going to be pulled in and investigated.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on November 10, 2011, 12:03:10 PM
Yeah, it would've been much better if he was a heterosexual serial pedophile......the homosexual part is what pushes it over the edge.
No, silly.  It meant he preyed on the gender Paterno dealt with as a Coach.  He was going after BOYS.  Get it?
Pedophilia is not gender specific as a term.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: iNOVAhog on November 10, 2011, 12:06:57 PM
I totally agree. JoePa's stand-offish and smart aleck attitude has always rubbed me the wrong way (seriously, no pun intended). He may have been charitable, but he was in no way humble. In my opinion, Robinson far outshines Paterno as a moral figure, leader, and role model.

Turns out, half the world is more of a moral figure, leader, and role model than 'Joe Pa'.  From what I understand, Paterno provided a written statement to the Board of Trustees informing them of his discussion to retire and advising them not to 'spend another minute' discussing his status.  In turn, the BOTs fired his sorry, arrogant ass.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 10, 2011, 12:10:08 PM
No, silly.  It meant he preyed on the gender Paterno dealt with as a Coach.  He was going after BOYS.  Get it?
Pedophilia is not gender specific as a term.

Perhaps he preyed on only boys, that being the case I still wouldn't feel comfortable letting him babysit my daughter.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Sauce on November 10, 2011, 12:13:44 PM
Screen door if this has already been posted...

Mark Madden radio interview

http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm (http://audio.weei.com/a/48513214/mark-madden-talks-about-the-penn-state-scandal-and-drops-a-new-bomb-about-jerry-sandusky.htm)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LashHog on November 10, 2011, 12:14:29 PM
Perhaps he preyed on only boys, that being the case I still wouldn't feel comfortable letting him babysit my daughter.
Who the fuck said they would? Why are you trying so hard to start this argument? It made sense to mention he was a homosexual because he was working a charity with little boys. If the incident was with a girl, you wouldn't think as much about him having a charity with boys...but when he already likes boys it is worth mentioning and does indeed make it worse.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 12:19:19 PM
Who the fuck said they would? Why are you trying so hard to start this argument? It made sense to mention he was a homosexual because he was working a charity with little boys. If the incident was with a girl, you wouldn't think as much about him having a charity with boys...but when he already likes boys it is worth mentioning and does indeed make it worse.

"Homosexual pedophilia" refers to a person molesting a child of the same sex as him- or herself.  It does not mean that the perpetrator is homosexual.  Because of this confusion, many news accounts and scientific studies use expressions like "male-male" or "male-female" abuse.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 10, 2011, 12:24:43 PM
"Homosexual pedophilia" refers to a person molesting a child of the same sex as him- or herself.  It does not mean that the perpetrator is homosexual.  Because of this confusion, many news accounts and scientific studies use expressions like "male-male" or "male-female" abuse.

right.  It's not necessarily as redundant and repetitive as some want it to be.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: marine4ark on November 10, 2011, 12:25:24 PM
I too, had what I consider a great honor, to meet Eddie Robinson.  On recruiting duty in the early to mid-90s, there was a huge push in the Corps to sign minority officers at the time, so Grambling homecoming was a huge event.  We were going through some planning meetings and he wanted to meet the Marines visiting his campus.  We actually were taken in during a meeting with his staff, he was at the chalkboard, we apologized for the interruption and offered to leave when he quipped, "don't worry, that play only works on the chalkboard any way!"   He had lunch and spoke of how he encouraged players early on to learn close order drill with the ROTC programs to help with their discipline in football formations.  He was an amazing man.  One who was a leader without trying. 

There is little positive coming from State College.  It is all unacceptable and troubling to me.  But I'm glad we have some great men who have been involved in this sport as well.  Balance is the key. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 10, 2011, 12:36:02 PM
I'm still very much interested in if they'll revisit the mystery in which the district attorney went missing back in 2005.  This is starting to play out like a lifetime movie.  I truly think Penn State or Sandusky were behind his disappearance.  I hope Sandusky rots in hell. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HipHog on November 10, 2011, 12:37:46 PM
 if an older woman chasing a younger boy is a cougar then does that mean that an older man chasing a younger boy is a Nittany Lion?




to soon?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 12:38:02 PM
Interesting tidbit from that article.  The attorney general during the beginning of the grand jury investigation in 2009 was Tom Corbitt.  He's now Governor & sat in on last night's BOT meeting.  He was in a unique position to advise the board of what's to come.

Didn't know that tidbit.

It certainly makes for interesting speculation about why they went against what appears to be the popular local opinion and canned Paterno last night.  He couldn't go in and openly tell them what (if anything) is coming down the line, but only a true idiot of a trustee wouldn't listen if he walked into the meeting and said "I can't tell you why, but trust me when I say we need to move right now".
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 10, 2011, 12:47:46 PM
I'm still very much interested in if they'll revisit the mystery in which the district attorney went missing back in 2005.  This is starting to play out like a lifetime movie.  I truly think Penn State or Sandusky were behind his disappearance.  I hope Sandusky rots in hell. 

Was about drugs   /TheWire

http://www.yardbird.com/midnight_ride_another_missing_PA_prosecutor_2.htm
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 01:06:52 PM
Was about drugs   /TheWire

http://www.yardbird.com/midnight_ride_another_missing_PA_prosecutor_2.htm

Not a bad line of thought, but keep in mind the author didn't know the missing DA was also sitting on top of a case that would blow the university to bits.

The story ties his disappearance to a "million and a half dollar drug ring".  I guarantee you Penn State's lost more than that this week - and the losses are just getting started.

It was possibly a drug hit, but remember they found the drive and it was wiped.  I think a drug operation would have kept it for intel value.

I still think his disappearance is most likely a suicide, but if it is related to a case my money would be on this one.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 10, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
Not a bad line of thought, but keep in mind the author didn't know the missing DA was also sitting on top of a case that would blow the university to bits.

The story ties his disappearance to a "million and a half dollar drug ring".  I guarantee you Penn State's lost more than that this week - and the losses are just getting started.

It was possibly a drug hit, but remember they found the drive and it was wiped.  I think a drug operation would have kept it for intel value.

I still think his disappearance is most likely a suicide, but if it is related to a case my money would be on this one.

If I was a betting man, which I'm not, I'd bet that Penn State had him murdered.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LashHog on November 10, 2011, 01:17:51 PM
"Homosexual pedophilia" refers to a person molesting a child of the same sex as him- or herself.  It does not mean that the perpetrator is homosexual.  Because of this confusion, many news accounts and scientific studies use expressions like "male-male" or "male-female" abuse.
True, but still this is a message board post not a news article. It wasn't that crazy to include the word homosexual, it had relevance to the thought.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 01:21:15 PM
RT @nathanielkraft Mark Madden just said on WEEI that reports coming that Sandusky & Second Mile pimped out young boys to rich donors

FUCK PENN STATE  :bird:

If true, you can just give Penn State the death penalty right now. No need to replace Paterno with anyone. Just shut the whole athletic department down.


edit: sorry I was a few pages behind and see now that my point has already been made.  Still, it's worth making again. If true: shut the whole shbang down.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 10, 2011, 01:43:44 PM
I would argue that the same percentage of heterosexual pedo's are probably the same as homosexual pedo's.  It's a misnomer to assume that just because someone is gay, they are a pedo.  I have homo friends who find it just as disgusting as everyone else.  So, you have "normal" homos and heteros, and you have "pedo" homos and heteros.

I can't even explain how this guy was married for so long except that maybe he is so old it was ingrained in his generation to be married.  I wonder if the sumbitch has any kids.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on November 10, 2011, 01:49:22 PM
I can't even explain how this guy was married for so long except that maybe he is so old it was ingrained in his generation to be married.  I wonder if the sumbitch has any kids.

He's got a bunch of adopted kids.  I don't know if his son that works in the NFL is his biological son or not.  I don't think he is.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 10, 2011, 01:51:06 PM
I would argue that the same percentage of heterosexual pedo's are probably the same as homosexual pedo's.  It's a misnomer to assume that just because someone is gay, they are a pedo.  I have homo friends who find it just as disgusting as everyone else.  So, you have "normal" homos and heteros, and you have "pedo" homos and heteros.

I can't even explain how this guy was married for so long except that maybe he is so old it was ingrained in his generation to be married.  I wonder if the sumbitch has any kids.

Reading the grand jury thing, I kept thinking 'how did his wife not know this shit was going on?' with all those kids sleeping over at his house, and him being down in the basement with them all the time.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jose Papoopoo on November 10, 2011, 01:56:18 PM
Reading the grand jury thing, I kept thinking 'how did his wife not know this aMm was going on?' with all those kids sleeping over at his house, and him being down in the basement with them all the time.

Dude had the ultimate and perfect cover for a Pedo. Most people might find it odd if a grown man always has young boys around, but not when "you're helping the kids". I'm sure his wife probably thought the same thing...that he was just trying to make a difference in kid's lives.  Take a look at the 2nd mile Board and see how much this guy fooled everybody.

   

Board of Directors: Honorary Board
John R. Cappelletti - Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner
R. R. M. Carpenter, III - Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies
James E. Ford - Retired Vice President, Kmart
William A. Gettig - President, Gettig Technologies, Inc.
Jack Ham - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame
Franco Harris - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame
Dr. Bryce Jordan - Retired, Penn State University President
Willi Maier - President, Omni Plastics, Inc.
Matt Millen - ESPN Football Analyst
Arnold D. Palmer - President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises
Andy Reid - Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles
Dr. John Reidell - General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President
Dominic Toscani - Owner & President, Paris Business Forms
Richard Vermeil - Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles)
Mark Wahlberg - Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer
Verne Willaman - Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp.
Quentin Wood - Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp.
Richard A. Zimmerman - Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods
   
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 10, 2011, 01:58:02 PM
Most couldn't give a aMm if someone is gay or not.  Starkville, if you're a pedophile, that's plenty bad enough (the point notas was making, I believe).  Worse than anything, including murder.

Someone said (too lazy to look back) that just because he's raping young boys doesn't necessarily make him gay.  I don't know about that.  Last I checked, a man sucking on a porkula, no matter the age, is pretty fricking gay.

Finally, the fact that this is homosexual (or male-male or whatever its called) pedophilia instead of heterosexual is extremely important in this instance, to me at least.  Lest we not forget that he taught and coached young boys for decades.  We're talking about 8 victims, 40 counts, etc., but realistically, this list could be VERY long and potentially include a former player (where he obviously couldn't force them physically, but could take advantage mentally - 18 and 19 yr olds are still kids in this regard - and psychologically with his position as coach in one of the most powerful football programs in the nation).

I've really got to step away from this aMm.  I just get more and more furious as time goes on and the more I think about it.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 01:58:17 PM
I can't even explain how this guy was married for so long except that maybe he is so old it was ingrained in his generation to be married.  I wonder if the sumbitch has any kids.

Straight from Wiki: Sandusky is married and has six adopted children.  He also took in foster children

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, don't it.  :sick:

As far as the married part, many (heck, maybe MOST) pedos are married with outwardly normal appearing families. They live an entirely duplicitous life.  To everyone but their victims, they're the guy next door. 

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 10, 2011, 02:00:21 PM
He's got a bunch of adopted kids.  I don't know if his son that works in the NFL is his biological son or not.  I don't think he is.
From Wiki-

Sandusky is married and has six adopted children.[23] He also took in foster children.[


Traits of a sex offender, from Oprah.com and about every other site that comes up on the first page of Google.

    Adults who seem preoccupied with children
    Single adults who work or volunteer with children's clubs/activities and frequently spend their free time doing "special" things with kids
    Adults who spend time volunteering with youth groups who do not have children in those groups
    Adults who seem to engage in frequent contact with children, i.e., casual touching, caressing, wrestling, tickling, combing hair or having children sit on their lap
    Adults who act like children when with children or who allow children to do questionable or inappropriate things
    Adults who want to take your children on special outings too frequently or plan activities that would include being alone with your child
    Adults who do not have children and seem to know too much about the current fads or music popular with children
    Adults that your children seem to like for reasons you don't understand
    Adults who seem able to infiltrate family and social functions or are "always available" to watch your kids
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 10, 2011, 02:03:01 PM

Traits of a sex offender, from Oprah.com and about every other site that comes up on the first page of Google.

    Adults who do not have children and seem to know too much about the current fads or music popular with children

Shit. I most know at least 20 or 30 of these sick fuckers then.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 02:04:51 PM
From Wiki-

Sandusky is married and has six adopted children.[23] He also took in foster children.[


Traits of a sex offender, from Oprah.com and about every other site that comes up on the first page of Google.

    Adults who seem preoccupied with children
    Single adults who work or volunteer with children's clubs/activities and frequently spend their free time doing "special" things with kids
    Adults who spend time volunteering with youth groups who do not have children in those groups
    Adults who seem to engage in frequent contact with children, i.e., casual touching, caressing, wrestling, tickling, combing hair or having children sit on their lap
    Adults who act like children when with children or who allow children to do questionable or inappropriate things
    Adults who want to take your children on special outings too frequently or plan activities that would include being alone with your child
    Adults who do not have children and seem to know too much about the current fads or music popular with children
    Adults that your children seem to like for reasons you don't understand
    Adults who seem able to infiltrate family and social functions or are "always available" to watch your kids
Ugh...I need a shower after reading that list. Fucking nasty gross.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
Ugh...I need a shower after reading that list. fricking nasty gross.

Since we're talking about it, the behavior is called grooming.  Pervs are quite skilled at both identifying potential victims and over a period of time plying them into a state where they can engage in the abuse.

Here's a good explanation of how they work: (http://www.vachss.com/guest_dispatches/grooming.html)

Grooming is a process. It begins when the predator chooses a target area. He may visit places where children are likely to go: schools, shopping malls, playgrounds, parks, and the like. He may work or volunteer at businesses that cater to children. Other predators strike up relationships with adults who have children in the home—single parent families make particularly good targets.

Victim selection and recruitment are next. There is no prototypical victim of child sexual abuse. Any child may be victimized. Not surprisingly, predators often target children with obvious vulnerabilities. A child who feels unloved and unpopular will soak up adult attention like a sponge. Children with family problems, who spend time alone and unsupervised, who lack confidence and self-esteem, and who are isolated from their peers are all likely targets.

Predators engage or "recruit" their victims in different ways. Many use a combination of forced teaming and charm. They may offer to play games, give rides, or buy treats and gifts as tokens of friendship. They may offer drugs or alcohol to older children or teenagers. And they almost always offer a sympathetic, understanding ear. Your parents don't understand or respect you? I do. Other kids make fun of you? I know what that's like—it was the same way for me when I was your age. They don't trust you at home? Boy, I know what that's like—your parents never really want you to grow up. But I trust you. I respect you. I care for you more than anybody else. And I love you. I'm here for you.

A predator will usually introduce secrecy at some point during the grooming process. Initially, secrecy binds the victim to the predator: "Here's some candy. But don't tell your friends because they'll be jealous, and don't tell your mother because she won't like you eating between meals." Later on, secrecy joins hands with threats: "If you tell your mother what happened, she'll hate you. It'll kill her. Or I'll kill her. Or I'll kill you."

The forging of an emotional bond through grooming leads to physical contact. Predators use the grooming process to break down a child's defenses and increase the child's acceptance of touch. The first physical contact between predator and victim is often nonsexual touching designed to identify limits: an "accidental" touch, an arm around the shoulder, a brushing of hair. Nonsexual touching desensitizes the child. It breaks down inhibitions and leads to more overt sexual touching—the predator's ultimate goal.

The best way to recognize grooming behavior is to pay attention to your child and the people in your child's life. Gavin de Becker sensibly reminds us that "[c]hildren require the protection of adults, usually from adults. Their fear of people is not yet developed, their intuition not yet loaded with enough information and experience to keep them from harm." There are many demands placed upon our time, but nothing—nothing—is more important than the welfare of our children. When we blindly surrender responsibility for them to others without question, we invite trouble. Parents should know their child's teachers, coaches, day care providers, youth group leaders, and other significant adults in their lives. Make unannounced visits. Ask questions. Stay involved.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LashHog on November 10, 2011, 02:26:36 PM
It's a misnomer to assume that just because someone is gay, they are a pedo. 
Wait...what? Who did that?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 10, 2011, 02:32:54 PM
From Wiki-

Sandusky is married and has six adopted children.[23] He also took in foster children.[


So they couldn't have children and they adopted and fostered 23.  Wow...how these kids feel about their daddy now or if they knew all too well and were victims as well. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on November 10, 2011, 02:41:01 PM
So they couldn't have children and they adopted and fostered 23.

This is so disturbing and disgusting. Truly, there are just no words. Only death, the absolute worst death imaginable.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 02:41:43 PM
Since we're talking about it, the behavior is called grooming.  Pervs are quite skilled at both identifying potential victims and over a period of time plying them into a state where they can engage in the abuse.

Here's a good explanation of how they work: (http://www.vachss.com/guest_dispatches/grooming.html)

Grooming is a process. It begins when the predator chooses a target area. He may visit places where children are likely to go: schools, shopping malls, playgrounds, parks, and the like. He may work or volunteer at businesses that cater to children. Other predators strike up relationships with adults who have children in the home—single parent families make particularly good targets.

Victim selection and recruitment are next. There is no prototypical victim of child sexual abuse. Any child may be victimized. Not surprisingly, predators often target children with obvious vulnerabilities. A child who feels unloved and unpopular will soak up adult attention like a sponge. Children with family problems, who spend time alone and unsupervised, who lack confidence and self-esteem, and who are isolated from their peers are all likely targets.

Predators engage or "recruit" their victims in different ways. Many use a combination of forced teaming and charm. They may offer to play games, give rides, or buy treats and gifts as tokens of friendship. They may offer drugs or alcohol to older children or teenagers. And they almost always offer a sympathetic, understanding ear. Your parents don't understand or respect you? I do. Other kids make fun of you? I know what that's like—it was the same way for me when I was your age. They don't trust you at home? Boy, I know what that's like—your parents never really want you to grow up. But I trust you. I respect you. I care for you more than anybody else. And I love you. I'm here for you.

A predator will usually introduce secrecy at some point during the grooming process. Initially, secrecy binds the victim to the predator: "Here's some candy. But don't tell your friends because they'll be jealous, and don't tell your mother because she won't like you eating between meals." Later on, secrecy joins hands with threats: "If you tell your mother what happened, she'll hate you. It'll kill her. Or I'll kill her. Or I'll kill you."

The forging of an emotional bond through grooming leads to physical contact. Predators use the grooming process to break down a child's defenses and increase the child's acceptance of touch. The first physical contact between predator and victim is often nonsexual touching designed to identify limits: an "accidental" touch, an arm around the shoulder, a brushing of hair. Nonsexual touching desensitizes the child. It breaks down inhibitions and leads to more overt sexual touching—the predator's ultimate goal.

The best way to recognize grooming behavior is to pay attention to your child and the people in your child's life. Gavin de Becker sensibly reminds us that "[c]hildren require the protection of adults, usually from adults. Their fear of people is not yet developed, their intuition not yet loaded with enough information and experience to keep them from harm." There are many demands placed upon our time, but nothing—nothing—is more important than the welfare of our children. When we blindly surrender responsibility for them to others without question, we invite trouble. Parents should know their child's teachers, coaches, day care providers, youth group leaders, and other significant adults in their lives. Make unannounced visits. Ask questions. Stay involved.


I feel sick just reading that.  This whole thing is just disturbing and disgusting.  I think the jokes made and those laughing at them (myself included on both counts) are doing it so as not to break down.  I certainly need the occasional levity or I would just shut off the internet and cry.

Does anyone honestly believe the first kid he raped happened in the 90's?  You don't turn 50 and decide to start molesting kids. There may be close to a hundred victims here, most of which will never be made public.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Ty on November 10, 2011, 02:42:31 PM
So they couldn't have children and they adopted and fostered 23.  Wow...how these kids feel about their daddy now or if they knew all too well and were victims as well.

Pretty sure [23] is a parenthetical reference in the wiki article.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 10, 2011, 02:55:39 PM
I feel sick just reading that.  This whole thing is just disturbing and disgusting.  I think the jokes made and those laughing at them (myself included on both counts) are doing it so as not to break down.  I certainly need the occasional levity or I would just shut off the internet and cry.

Does anyone honestly believe the first kid he raped happened in the 90's?  You don't turn 50 and decide to start molesting kids. There may be close to a hundred victims here, most of which will never be made public.
You know what's more sickening?  If these alleged rumors are true...it wasn't just Jerry molesting little boys but donors as well.  This just seem almost unbelievable to me if such rumor is true...I still don't know how Jerry thought all this would never come out but how in the world do you keep a handle on a dozen or so big wig donors.  Amazeballs and sad.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 10, 2011, 02:56:14 PM
From Wiki-

Sandusky is married and has six adopted children.[23] He also took in foster children.[


Traits of a sex offender, from Oprah.com and about every other site that comes up on the first page of Google.

    Adults who seem preoccupied with children
    Single adults who work or volunteer with children's clubs/activities and frequently spend their free time doing "special" things with kids
    Adults who spend time volunteering with youth groups who do not have children in those groups
    Adults who seem to engage in frequent contact with children, i.e., casual touching, caressing, wrestling, tickling, combing hair or having children sit on their lap    Adults who act like children when with children or who allow children to do questionable or inappropriate things
    Adults who want to take your children on special outings too frequently or plan activities that would include being alone with your child
    Adults who do not have children and seem to know too much about the current fads or music popular with children
    Adults that your children seem to like for reasons you don't understand
    Adults who seem able to infiltrate family and social functions or are "always available" to watch your kids

Santa's a pedo?!? :'(
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 10, 2011, 02:56:47 PM
You know what's more sickening?  If these alleged rumors are true...it wasn't just Jerry molesting little boys but donors as well.  This just seem almost unbelievable to me if such rumor is true...I still don't know how Jerry thought all this would never come out but how in the world do you keep a handle on a dozen or so big wig donors.  Amazeballs and sad.

by murdering the people that are after your den of kiddie-rapers.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 03:10:13 PM
Pretty sure [23] is a parenthetical reference in the wiki article.

Yeah.  I meant to take it out.  The article didn't give an actual number.

I feel sick just reading that.  This whole thing is just disturbing and disgusting.  I think the jokes made and those laughing at them (myself included on both counts) are doing it so as not to break down.  I certainly need the occasional levity or I would just shut off the internet and cry.
be made public.

That's exactly what it is, gallows humor because dwelling on the reality of it makes you go crazy.

It looks like attention's starting to turn towards McQueary (http://mobile.mcall.com/p.p?m=b&a=rp&id=1151519&postId=1151519&postUserId=48&sessionToken=&catId=6084&curAbsIndex=0&resultsUrl=DID%3D6%26DFCL%3D1000%26DSB%3Drank%2523desc%26DBFQ%3DuserId%253A48%26DL.w%3D%26DL.d%3D10%26DQ%3DsectionId%253A6084%26DPS%3D0%26DPL%3D10).  Hopefully, the 'for his own safety' part is merely an excuse.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on November 10, 2011, 03:11:52 PM
Since we're talking about it, the behavior is called grooming.  Pervs are quite skilled at both identifying potential victims and over a period of time plying them into a state where they can engage in the abuse.

Here's a good explanation of how they work: (http://www.vachss.com/guest_dispatches/grooming.html)

Grooming is a process. It begins when the predator chooses a target area. He may visit places where children are likely to go: schools, shopping malls, playgrounds, parks, and the like. He may work or volunteer at businesses that cater to children. Other predators strike up relationships with adults who have children in the home—single parent families make particularly good targets.

Victim selection and recruitment are next. There is no prototypical victim of child sexual abuse. Any child may be victimized. Not surprisingly, predators often target children with obvious vulnerabilities. A child who feels unloved and unpopular will soak up adult attention like a sponge. Children with family problems, who spend time alone and unsupervised, who lack confidence and self-esteem, and who are isolated from their peers are all likely targets.

Predators engage or "recruit" their victims in different ways. Many use a combination of forced teaming and charm. They may offer to play games, give rides, or buy treats and gifts as tokens of friendship. They may offer drugs or alcohol to older children or teenagers. And they almost always offer a sympathetic, understanding ear. Your parents don't understand or respect you? I do. Other kids make fun of you? I know what that's like—it was the same way for me when I was your age. They don't trust you at home? Boy, I know what that's like—your parents never really want you to grow up. But I trust you. I respect you. I care for you more than anybody else. And I love you. I'm here for you.

A predator will usually introduce secrecy at some point during the grooming process. Initially, secrecy binds the victim to the predator: "Here's some candy. But don't tell your friends because they'll be jealous, and don't tell your mother because she won't like you eating between meals." Later on, secrecy joins hands with threats: "If you tell your mother what happened, she'll hate you. It'll kill her. Or I'll kill her. Or I'll kill you."

The forging of an emotional bond through grooming leads to physical contact. Predators use the grooming process to break down a child's defenses and increase the child's acceptance of touch. The first physical contact between predator and victim is often nonsexual touching designed to identify limits: an "accidental" touch, an arm around the shoulder, a brushing of hair. Nonsexual touching desensitizes the child. It breaks down inhibitions and leads to more overt sexual touching—the predator's ultimate goal.

The best way to recognize grooming behavior is to pay attention to your child and the people in your child's life. Gavin de Becker sensibly reminds us that "[c]hildren require the protection of adults, usually from adults. Their fear of people is not yet developed, their intuition not yet loaded with enough information and experience to keep them from harm." There are many demands placed upon our time, but nothing—nothing—is more important than the welfare of our children. When we blindly surrender responsibility for them to others without question, we invite trouble. Parents should know their child's teachers, coaches, day care providers, youth group leaders, and other significant adults in their lives. Make unannounced visits. Ask questions. Stay involved.


from today

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/10/8733401-investigating-britains-sex-gangs

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
Santa's a pedo?!? :'(

Geez man, what do you think?!  He's married, but you never see him out in public with the wife, he's always plying kids with undeserved candy and toys,  he asks them to write and tell him their secret wishes, he sneaks into their homes at night when their parents are asleep, and he lives way out in the sticks with a bunch of prepubescent looking little people.

He doesn't FIT the profile, he IS the profile!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on November 10, 2011, 03:27:03 PM
Geez man, what do you think?!  He's married, but you never see him out in public with the wife, he's always plying kids with undeserved candy and toys,  he asks them to write and tell him their secret wishes, he sneaks into their homes at night when their parents are asleep, and he lives way out in the sticks with a bunch of prepubescent looking little people.

He doesn't FIT the profile, he IS the profile!

i was picturing this while reading your description

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Santa Claus used ta have this
really charp chort, man, y'know? It was lower to da ground, had twice-pipes,
candy-apple red and button top. Oooo, clean!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on November 10, 2011, 03:28:26 PM
Doesn't seem like Jerry had to do much to gain access to victims due to his Penn State fame, which the University allowed him to continue to have.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on November 10, 2011, 03:55:55 PM
i was picturing this while reading your description

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How'd he get the reindeer off the ground, man?

Oh, he had some magic dust....
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VillageHawg7 on November 10, 2011, 04:08:04 PM
Also rumors of an actual agreement to form the cover-up in return for Sandusky's retirement.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 10, 2011, 04:13:39 PM
Also rumors of an actual agreement to form the cover-up in return for Sandusky's retirement.
seriously?  this just keeps getting worse. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VillageHawg7 on November 10, 2011, 04:17:47 PM
Madden wrote this article in March, I think I remember seeing something mentioned on Deadspin at the time:

http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html (http://www.timesonline.com/columnists/sports/mark_madden/madden-sandusky-a-state-secret/article_863d3c82-5e6f-11e0-9ae5-001a4bcf6878.html)

If Paterno and Penn State knew, but didn't act, instead facilitating Sandusky's untroubled retirement - are Paterno and Penn State responsible for untoward acts since committed by Sandusky?

This is far from an outrageous hypothesis, especially given the convenient timeline.

Initially accused in 1998. Retires in 1999. Never coaches college football again.

Sandusky was very successful at what he did. The architect of Linebacker U. Helped win national championships in 1982 and 1986. Recognized as college football's top assistant in 1986 and 1999.

Never any stories about Sandusky being pursued for a high-profile job. Never any rumors about him coming out of retirement.

But there's no shortage of stories and rumors about Penn State football sweeping problems under the rug, is there?

Why did college football let an accomplished coach like Sandusky walk away at 55? Why did he disappear into relative anonymity?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 04:20:59 PM
Also rumors of an actual agreement to form the cover-up in return for Sandusky's retirement.

I think that's almost a given at this point.  He was the heir-apparent and suddenly and without warning retires?

The same retirement just happens to occur only a few months after two detectives heard him admit to inappropriate behavior, yet the DA refused to bring charges?

There's no tin foil hat needed here, he was forced out.  The only question is did Penn State buy the DA off and throw in Sandusky's forced retirement as a bone, or did the DA go to the university and hold the case over their heads and demand Sandusky's removal (and who knows what else) in exchange for his inaction.

It is possible (but very, very unlikely) that Paterno wasn't involved in 1998, but the university brass damned sure was.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VillageHawg7 on November 10, 2011, 04:24:00 PM
His autobiography, no joke...

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320963653&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320963653&sr=1-1)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 10, 2011, 04:27:46 PM
His autobiography, no joke...

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320963653&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320963653&sr=1-1)

Yeah, I am sure they are just flying off the shelves.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hognarok on November 10, 2011, 04:43:46 PM
Hopefully, the 'for his own safety' part is merely an excuse.

Its a shame that this game isn't being played in 2009.  Ndamukong Suh "accidentally" tackling and hopefully crippling this fuckwad while he was standing on the sidelines would have been a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on November 10, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

Gruesome reading if you haven't seen it yet.  Most probably have.  What a fucked up situation. Some peoples going to jail over this.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 10, 2011, 04:45:09 PM
I've got one as good or better than the book title.

The local creamery had (discontinued this week) an ice cream dish called the 'Sandusky'

If, as the link (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/05/penn-state-makes-a-banana-flavored-jerry-sandusky-ice-cream/) implies, this is an accurate photo the whole damned town knew what was happening.

(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/peanut-banana.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogustus on November 10, 2011, 04:49:33 PM
His autobiography, no joke...

http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320963653&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Touched-Jerry-Sandusky-Story/dp/1582613575/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1320963653&sr=1-1)

The customer reviews are priceless:

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5.0 out of 5 stars Sandusky touched me, November 10, 2011
By
BRIAN UECKER "Brian" - See all my reviews
This review is from: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story (Paperback)
I have the leather bound edition, which I am happy to say is as smooth as a boy's bottom. Reading Jerry Sandusky's account of life in the college football locker room (occasionally with a friend) was a mind-opening experience for me. Jerry gets across the sights, sounds, but especially the smells of an afternoon spent showering with young males. Yes, Sandusky touched me--and I liked it!
   :stunned: :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 10, 2011, 05:20:58 PM
Reading the grand jury thing, I kept thinking 'how did his wife not know this shit was going on?' with all those kids sleeping over at his house, and him being down in the basement with them all the time.

I wonder the same thing. Couldn't his wife taste shit when giving him a BJ?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 10, 2011, 05:24:52 PM
I wonder the same thing. Couldn't his wife taste shit when giving him a BJ?

Wive's don't give blow jobs...that's what girlfriends are for.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 10, 2011, 05:33:25 PM
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Penn State has a long and storied tradition that has endured for more than 150 years. Our roots are deep, our constitution is resilient, and the importance of our work is as vital today as it was last week - perhaps even more so in the face of such adversity. We are 96,000 students, 46,000 employees, and more than a half a million alumni. We are 24 campuses across the Commonwealth and a World Campus. We are a university that is committed to its core values of honesty, integrity, and community. We are a university that will rebuild the trust and confidence that so many people have had in us for so many years.

Damn, almost one employee for every two students.
Is that Normal? What's our employee/student ratio?

No wonder higher education cost so much.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 10, 2011, 05:38:00 PM
I wonder the same thing. Couldn't his wife taste aMm when giving him a BJ?

(http://i44.tinypic.com/2mdiipc.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 10, 2011, 05:41:31 PM
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We are 96,000 students, 46,000 45,996 employees.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 05:44:52 PM
Wive's don't give blow jobs...that's what girlfriends fifth graders are for.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 10, 2011, 05:48:12 PM
I wonder the same thing. Couldn't his wife taste aMm when giving him a BJ?

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh221/mvandersall/holy_shit1.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 10, 2011, 06:22:27 PM
Sandusky took a kid to the Alamo Bowl back in '99.

Police in San Antonio are now looking into the possibility of filing charges.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogggdadi on November 10, 2011, 06:47:20 PM
Cars.com has pulled sponsorship from espn for state Penn's next 2 games on TV.  U think they will get a bowl game this yr?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 06:57:45 PM
Cars.com has pulled sponsorship from espn for state Penn's next 2 games on TV.  U think they will get a bowl game this yr?

If they win the BigTen isn't the Rose Bowl contractually obligated to take them?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogggdadi on November 10, 2011, 07:02:52 PM
It wouldn't surprise me of the PS BOT declined any bowl appearance this year.  It would be sad for the players, but they have a huge mess on their hands.  I still look for the whole staff to be let go after the season. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
I think PSU should seriously consider not playing the remainder of their games. This situation is SO beyond the pale that they just need to set football aside, figure out who knew what, and when, and clean house.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 10, 2011, 07:17:29 PM
Franco Harris just defended Paterno on MSNBC. These people are delusional. If it was Paterno's 10 year old grandson in that shower would he have just reported it to the AD and left it at that?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:18:23 PM
Franco Harris just defended Paterno on MSNBC. These people are delusional. If it was Paterno's 10 year old grandson in that shower would he have just reported it to the AD and left it at that?

What did he say, exactly?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 07:22:20 PM
What did he say, exactly?

Don't know about just now, but earlier he was saying Paterno is being unfairly treated; Sandusky wasn't on staff so it's not JoePa's fault; he told his superior so he did what he was supposed to do.



Seriously. There are some full retards out there this close to being pissed off at the kids for getting Paterno fired.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:24:25 PM
Mark May going OFF.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7217029&categoryid=2378529
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 07:25:18 PM
Mark May going OFF.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7217029&categoryid=2378529

Well...he is from PITT.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:25:37 PM
Don't know about just now, but earlier he was saying Paterno is being unfairly treated; Sandusky wasn't on staff so it's not JoePa's fault; he told his superior so he did what he was supposed to do.



Seriously. People are this close to being pissed off at the kids for getting Paterno fired.

Incredible. Sad, sad.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 10, 2011, 07:25:57 PM
Basically the same thing all his defenders are saying- he reported it to the AD and it's not his fault the AD didn't do his job.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:26:09 PM
Well...he is from PITT.

Good point.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 07:36:16 PM
People keep saying Sandusky will be rotting in hell next to Hitler.

Hitler never raped children. Think about that.  Hitler has a line. Hitler has standards.  Hitler is going to be getting as far away from Sandusky in hell as he can, lest the other demons think he's a bad dude.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:41:55 PM
People keep saying Sandusky will be rotting in hell next to Hitler.

Hitler never raped children. Think about that.  Hitler has a line. Hitler has standards.  Hitler is going to be getting as far away from Sandusky in hell as he can, lest the other demons think he's a bad dude.

It makes you wonder what might have happened to Sandusky - what produces this kind of monster.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:49:25 PM
Here (around 1:38), Trevor Matich implies that Sandusky was (is?) a friend of the father of McQueary - this is the first I've heard about a friendship between those two. Any of you know anything else about this?

http://espn.go.com/videohub/video/clip?id=7215828
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 10, 2011, 07:53:05 PM
It makes you wonder what might have happened to Sandusky - what produces this kind of monster.

Well...Dr. Phil was being interviewed last night on the teevees...

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-dr-phil-seal.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 07:57:12 PM
Well...Dr. Phil was being interviewed last night on the teevees...

(http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/funny-pictures-dr-phil-seal.jpg)

He's lost some weight. Good for him.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 10, 2011, 08:08:36 PM
It makes you wonder what might have happened to Sandusky - what produces this kind of monster.


I think he's the same level of monster as a lot of them... he was just in a position to have way more oportunities.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VillageHawg7 on November 10, 2011, 08:30:17 PM
If it was Paterno's 10 year old grandson in that shower would he have just reported it to the AD and left it at that?

Also, what if it was an innocent Sandusky that had walked in on McQueary raping a boy and had reported it. Think it might have been handled a little bit differently?

Pedo rings of the powerful are real (see: Catholic church and the Franklin ring in Omaha). It will be interesting to see what comes of this. At first glance I thought it was probably an isolated perv in the perfect situation that he had created for himself. When you bring in the disappearance of the investigating DA with the destroyed laptop and hard drive, things start to get a little weird.

Obviously Sandusky was basically operating with immunity, even after he started raising flags in the community.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: exasparilla on November 10, 2011, 08:31:47 PM
Mark May going OFF.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7217029&categoryid=2378529

I have never really cared for Mark May.  Seemed to be a blowhard and stir controversy for controversy sake.  After watching that Mark May just went way up in my book.  Pitt grad or not he put this into this into perspective.  Considering how much we have learned in the last 48 hours just think what we are going to learn in the next month.  And why is Paterno hiring a criminal defense lawyer. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 10, 2011, 08:38:43 PM
What is bad is if there is no hell.  Then all the good was done for nothing and the evil will never be punished.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 10, 2011, 08:44:29 PM
Just announced. Mike Mcqueary will not be at the game Saturday. For his safety though not because he's a piece of aMm and should be fired... ::)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 10, 2011, 09:16:34 PM
I have never really cared for Mark May.  Seemed to be a blowhard and stir controversy for controversy sake.  After watching that Mark May just went way up in my book.  Pitt grad or not he put this into this into perspective.  Considering how much we have learned in the last 48 hours just think what we are going to learn in the next month.  And why is Paterno hiring a criminal defense lawyer.


I have never been a fan of May as a college football analyst, but he brought it in his criticism.  I totally respect him now. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: travark on November 10, 2011, 09:21:46 PM
What is bad is if there is no Starkville.  Then all the good was done for nothing and the evil will never be punished.

Gotta protest.  I'm okay with all the good being done for it being, you know, good.

And a concern that the evil might not be punished once they die and go to magic punishment land could give us some more incentive to make sure the sumbitches are punished beforehand, just in case.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 10, 2011, 09:24:41 PM
I have never really cared for Mark May.  Seemed to be a blowhard and stir controversy for controversy sake.  After watching that Mark May just went way up in my book.  Pitt grad or not he put this into this into perspective.  Considering how much we have learned in the last 48 hours just think what we are going to learn in the next month.  And why is Paterno hiring a criminal defense lawyer.

I have never been a fan of May as a college football analyst, but he brought it in his criticism.  I totally respect him now.

Yeah, he definitely didn't puthy-foot around like many of the other talking heads have been - especially about McQueary and what had a moral responsibility to do.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Kill The Ref on November 10, 2011, 09:32:35 PM

I have never been a fan of May as a college football analyst, but he brought it in his criticism.  I totally respect him now.
Yep...Mark May just brought the wood. Not the HDN kind of wood, the wood, wood.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 10, 2011, 09:36:21 PM
You could tell he was pissed by the way he was holding his mouth. And I liked the fact that he didn't try to use football terminology to illustrate why the situation is a shit sandwich.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razordoc on November 10, 2011, 09:46:35 PM
Sitting at home, watching boring game Ga/Va Tech and had a random thought.  Of course, we are hoping for greater things, but there is a realistic chance we could face pederast state in the cap one bowl.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 09:53:23 PM
Sitting at home, watching boring game Ga/Va Tech and had a random thought.  Of course, we are hoping for greater things, but there is a realistic chance we could face pederast state in the cap one bowl.

Even IF they made Danny interim coach, it is mathematically impossible for Ole Miss to be bowl eligible.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 10, 2011, 09:54:20 PM
Sitting at home, watching boring game Ga/Va Tech and had a random thought.  Of course, we are hoping for greater things, but there is a realistic chance we could face pederast state in the cap one bowl.

Hide yo wife. Hide yo kids.

Let's hope for greater.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bevosucks on November 10, 2011, 10:00:19 PM
Sitting at home, watching boring game Ga/Va Tech and had a random thought.  Of course, we are hoping for greater things, but there is a realistic chance we could face pederast state in the cap one bowl.

I wouldn't be surprised to see sponsors not wanting to be associated w/ Penn state, leaving them sitting at home during bowl season.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on November 10, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
(Quote)
Here (around 1:38), Trevor Matich implies that Sandusky was (is?) a friend of the father of McQueary - this is the first I've heard about a friendship between those two. Any of you know anything else about this?

http://espn.go.com/videohub/video/clip?id=7215828
(Quote)

If so, it puts the call to Daddy in a different light. Not only was this a friend of his dad's but he also knew him probably well. Could he be a victim too? That might explain why he has been unscathed for his apparent failure to take appropriate action.

 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 10, 2011, 10:28:58 PM
This man is a perfect example of why the death penalty needs to be an option for juries for child rapists.

Yesterday a guy claiming to be an attorney who has represented victims of pedophilia called into one of the Sirius College Sports shows.  He claimed that Mississippi (his home state) had passed a law a few years back making child rape a capital offense, but the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the law.  If true, what the fuck is wrong with the Supreme Court? 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: e_dub on November 10, 2011, 10:38:18 PM
Yesterday a guy claiming to be an attorney who has represented victims of pedophilia called into one of the Sirius College Sports shows.  He claimed that Mississippi (his home state) had passed a law a few years back making child rape a capital offense, but the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the law.  If true, what the fuck is wrong with the Supreme Court?

Too many liberal child fucking faggots with too much influence, too much political correctness (social Marxism) in our society allowing criminals too many "rights". A dyke on the supreme court doesn't help. At least she looks like a fish eater.  This story really makes me sick to my stomach. Bring back the gallows and judge Isaac Parker.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 10:42:21 PM
Too many liberal child fucking faggots with too much influence, too much political correctness (social Marxism) in our society allowing criminals too many "rights". A dyke on the supreme court doesn't help. At least she looks like a fish eater.  This story really makes me sick to my stomach. Bring back the gallows and judge Isaac Parker.

We need more people like you.    :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:










To go fuck themselves.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 10, 2011, 10:44:25 PM
Taiwan chimes in.

http://youtu.be/cewjLdYRTrE (http://youtu.be/cewjLdYRTrE)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 10, 2011, 10:45:08 PM
I'll preface this post by saying that I am not trying to get into a political debate, but just putting my thoughts out there.

I'm all for anything that deters people from doing this to children, be that death penalty or whatever.

I saw this on the Mizzou board earlier today. 

http://www.brokenyoke.org/

I guess when you think about it, what does a person who has those urges do?

Not to excuse it in any way whatsoever, but there needs to be help for people who feel that way.  There needs to be somewhere they can get help before they destroy the lives of other people.

As libertarian as I am on most issues, more access to mental-health care options is something I really wish our government would provide.

Shame prevents a lot of people from seeking help with their dark side.  I wish there was some way we could make it ok to seek help and admit fucked-up ness.

I think with the sheer number of people in churches that act on these kinds of impulses, its clear that religion hasn't solved issues like this.  Mental healthcare access would save a lot of people a lot of devastation and pain.


Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 10, 2011, 10:51:37 PM
I'll preface this post by saying that I am not trying to get into a political debate, but just putting my thoughts out there.

I'm all for anything that deters people from doing this to children, be that death penalty or whatever.

I saw this on the Mizzou board earlier today. 

http://www.brokenyoke.org/

I guess when you think about it, what does a person who has those urges do?

Not to excuse it in any way whatsoever, but there needs to be help for people who feel that way.  There needs to be somewhere they can get help before they destroy the lives of other people.

As libertarian as I am on most issues, more access to mental-health care options is something I really wish our government would provide.

Shame prevents a lot of people from seeking help with their dark side.  I wish there was some way we could make it ok to seek help and admit fricked-up ness.

I think with the sheer number of people in churches that act on these kinds of impulses, its clear that religion hasn't solved issues like this.  Mental healthcare access would save a lot of people a lot of devastation and pain.





OR


1. You take known pedophiles deep into the forrest.

2. Have a few large trees sawn off into 3' stumps

3. Nail their dick to said stump.

4. Hand them a rusty knife and walk away.  Thus they are forced to either rip it off or cut it off (and hopefully bleed out as they attempt to stagger out of the forrest).


In any event, they'll be in no condition to shove it into a victim again.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 10, 2011, 11:01:05 PM
I get it.  Its just obvious that all of the bad things we could dream up to do to pedos after the fact aren't a deterrent.  I'd think the specter of being locked in a cell for the rest of one's life while being brutalized by the bad mommafrickers in gen pop would be as bad as any torture-scenario.  And that doesn't stop people from acting on these impulses.

I don't understand it.  It could be that this kind of behavior is in-born like psychopathy, but if there's any way to redeem these people we should try to head them off before they get to this point.  My point is I can't imagine any scenario where it would even be ok for a person to admit that he/she had these urges and any outlet for a person to get help before acting on them.

It could be that its a commonly addressed psycho-therapeutic issue.  I have no idea either way.  Just thinking online....

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 10, 2011, 11:24:00 PM
Dammit, I had page 26 in the "How many pages will it take for this thread to turn retarded" pool.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 10, 2011, 11:27:59 PM
Quote
Ron Pavlechko coached McQueary at State College High, a Class AAAA school that has sent a number of players to Penn State over the years, including sons of Penn State coaches. Mr. McQueary is two years older than Jon Sandusky, the son of Jerry Sandusky; the two were teammates in high school and at Penn State. Jon Sandusky is the director of player personnel for the Cleveland Browns, but took a leave of absence from that job Tuesday.

http://m.post-gazette.com/sports/psu/mike-mcqueary-well-liked-known-as-a-leader-1188543?p=2
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on November 11, 2011, 01:35:44 AM
The Mexicali Rose H3 has got to be getting a bone just thinking about his dad getting to move the Nuttball Family up to Penn State and him having free run of the showers.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VillageHawg7 on November 11, 2011, 01:52:32 AM
Too many liberal child fucking faggots with too much influence, too much political correctness (social Marxism) in our society allowing criminals too many "rights". A dyke on the supreme court doesn't help. At least she looks like a fish eater.  This story really makes me sick to my stomach. Bring back the gallows and judge Isaac Parker.

 *:

Yes, Penn State is a bastion of liberalism.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: razor9 on November 11, 2011, 03:28:42 AM
WTF.............. :stunned:

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11#ixzz1dO5YxBpb

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 11, 2011, 03:48:54 AM
It makes you wonder what might have happened to Sandusky - what produces this kind of monster.

If, and no proof he was, it did occur then it doesn't give him the right to pay it forward 100 times. It's a bullshit excuse, nothing more than a copout. Bad things happen to good people everyday all around the world. If everyone was to act as he did, where would there be any good in the world?

What is bad is if there is no hell.  Then all the good was done for nothing and the evil will never be punished.

There is no hell, except for times on this planet in our lives when things like this happen. Evil is always punished, one way or another. Nobody lives forever.

Not to excuse it in any way whatsoever, but there needs to be help for people who feel that way.  There needs to be somewhere they can get help before they destroy the lives of other people.

History has proven time and time again there is no hope nor rehabilitation for these predators. They'll continue to prey on our children until they are stopped, then once they get out of prison they'll continue...

Sad, so sad....
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: papermill on November 11, 2011, 05:19:35 AM
*:

Yes, Penn State is a bastion of liberalism.

Pretty much 99% of universities are.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 11, 2011, 05:37:02 AM
Pretty much 99% of universities are.
I am the 1%

/harding '04
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: subliznime on November 11, 2011, 05:53:20 AM
I am the 1%

/harding '04
Solid gold!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 11, 2011, 06:31:54 AM
Yesterday a guy claiming to be an attorney who has represented victims of pedophilia called into one of the Sirius College Sports shows.  He claimed that Mississippi (his home state) had passed a law a few years back making child rape a capital offense, but the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the law.  If true, what the frick is wrong with the Supreme Court?

Several states had laws that made child rape a death penalty offense.  The case that got it overturned by the SCOTUS was actually a Louisiana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kennedy_v._Louisiana) case.



OR


1. You take known pedophiles deep into the forrest.

2. Have a few large trees sawn off into 3' stumps

3. Nail their dick to said stump.

4. Hand them a rusty knife and walk away.  Thus they are forced to either rip it off or cut it off (and hopefully bleed out as they attempt to stagger out of the forrest).


In any event, they'll be in no condition to shove it into a victim again.

I like the way you think but if they don't choose the bleed out option, it won't stop them.  Take the johnson and they'll use a finger or stick or who knows what else.  Travelhog is right, these things (I will not call them people) cannot be fixed.  Given the chance, they will reoffend.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on November 11, 2011, 06:50:04 AM
The way i hear it the 'gators down on the White River refuge are getting hungry about this time of the year.
They could solve some of the sex criminal problems and recycle through Mother Nature too.
Win-win.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: razorwire on November 11, 2011, 06:57:46 AM
Just going to throw this out there...... Any chance that some of the Penn State trustees like little boys?

And on an even more paranoid level, what happens when it is exposed that this network of little boy lovers is found to extend across the entire college and professional sports world (including SEC referees)!    :bird::o :stunned: :o :bird: 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Mutual of Omahog on November 11, 2011, 07:04:48 AM
I am the 1%

/harding '04
I am the 1% also! Harding '93
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Trigger7672 on November 11, 2011, 07:10:27 AM
I get it.  Its just obvious that all of the bad things we could dream up to do to pedos after the fact aren't a deterrent.  I'd think the specter of being locked in a cell for the rest of one's life while being brutalized by the bad mommafrickers in gen pop would be as bad as any torture-scenario.  And that doesn't stop people from acting on these impulses.

I don't understand it.  It could be that this kind of behavior is in-born like psychopathy, but if there's any way to redeem these people we should try to head them off before they get to this point.  My point is I can't imagine any scenario where it would even be ok for a person to admit that he/she had these urges and any outlet for a person to get help before acting on them.

It could be that its a commonly addressed psycho-therapeutic issue.  I have no idea either way.  Just thinking online....

Have we figured out how to take away someones free will? Because that is the only possible way to 'treat' these fucks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT1DCun3U9M&feature=related
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razordoc on November 11, 2011, 07:37:04 AM
There actually is an option known as medical castration, using progesterone.  It got some press a few years back, then fell off of the radar for whatever reason.  This looked like a pretty good link, but I was too lazy to read all of it.

http://www.csun.edu/~psy453/crimes_y.htm
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: VillageHawg7 on November 11, 2011, 07:46:47 AM
Pretty much 99% of universities are.

I forgot to add the  :sarcasm:.

I am the 1%

/harding '04

I went to Harding for a year, before transferring to the U of A. Mark Elrod is that school's only redeeming quality.

Well I shouldn't say that, I actually liked most of the classes/professors. I did a short stint at their Greek campus in Porto Rafti and that was a good trip. I just couldn't deal with Searcy.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on November 11, 2011, 08:16:53 AM
Even IF they made Danny interim coach, it is mathematically impossible for Ole Miss to be bowl eligible.

bravo to you sir
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: libertyhog on November 11, 2011, 08:30:50 AM
I am the 1%

/harding '04

I am the 1% also! Harding '93

Ha.  Amazing. 

Harding '96  (Get off my lawn)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: asshat on November 11, 2011, 08:37:57 AM
Ha.  Amazing. 

Harding '96  (Get off my lawn)

Buncha' children, Harding 88.  The end of the Ganous era/the beginning of the blight.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 11, 2011, 08:41:07 AM
WTF.............. :stunned:

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11#ixzz1dO5YxBpb
I'm assuming this is still a rumor.  I'm anxious to see how involved the governor of Pennsylvania was involved in all this...more shit is pointing at his involvement in all this stuff since he was the prosecuting attorney after the other one went missing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 11, 2011, 08:46:03 AM
WTF.............. :stunned:

SHOCKING PENN STATE RUMOR: Jerry Sandusky 'Pimped Out Young Boys To Rich Donors'

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jerry-sandusky-donors-2011-11#ixzz1dO5YxBpb

If this is true then after all the criminal issues run their course, this would certainly require the NCAA enter the scene.  Death penalty.  Nuclear option.  How can schools be punished for giving boosters favors with tickets and access when at PSU boosters could get a ten year old sex slave? 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Mutual of Omahog on November 11, 2011, 08:54:10 AM
Buncha' children, Harding 88.  The end of the Ganous era/the beginning of the blight.
I haven't been back since, but as I understand it, they have changed it up quite a bit!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shortstop6 on November 11, 2011, 09:02:02 AM
Ha.  Amazing. 

Harding '96  (Get off my lawn)

This explains a lot.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: libertyhog on November 11, 2011, 09:08:41 AM
This explains a lot.

If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure Harding mutters 'jiminycrickets' under their breath when they think about me graduating there, also.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Peanut Adams on November 11, 2011, 09:24:45 AM
I'm assuming this is still a rumor.  I'm anxious to see how involved the governor of Pennsylvania was involved in all this...more aMm is pointing at his involvement in all this stuff since he was the prosecuting attorney after the other one went missing.
heavily involved.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 11, 2011, 09:36:09 AM
If it's any consolation, I'm pretty sure Harding mutters 'jiminycrickets' under their breath when they think about me graduating there, also.
what on earth would possess one to go to Harding...ever?  Doesn't Harding have some sort of weird power over the cable provider in Searcy so that nobody gets MTV, VH1 or any other evil channels?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: 'Riffic on November 11, 2011, 09:43:16 AM
I haven't been back since, but as I understand it, they have changed it up quite a bit!

They have.  No more bowling alley, guys dorms are too nice now, bunch more buildings.  If you haven't seen the updated Rhodes Fieldhouse, it's a good atmosphere for a bball game.  Burks brought in a ton of money during his tenure.  (Rumors of him pimping out boys have not been confirmed.)

/Harding '99.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: 'Riffic on November 11, 2011, 09:52:19 AM
what on earth would possess one to go to Harding...ever?  Doesn't Harding have some sort of weird power over the cable provider in Searcy so that nobody gets MTV, VH1 or any other evil channels?

I can't be entirely sure, but I think there might be a handful of people that process things slightly differently than you do.  Just a thought.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Stephen Hawging on November 11, 2011, 10:00:48 AM
There actually is an option known as medical castration, using progesterone.  It got some press a few years back, then fell off of the radar for whatever reason.  This looked like a pretty good link, but I was too lazy to read all of it.

http://www.csun.edu/~psy453/crimes_y.htm

There are drug options available now that could be an even better choice.  LHRH agonists are used for men with advanced prostate cancer to reduce their testosterone to castration levels (below 5% of normal).  They now have 6month and 1year options, rather than the 3month Depo-Provera (progesterone).  The 6month injectible would be ideal in that it is easy to administer and could be done by a nurse perhaps at a standard parole visit just twice per year. 

Combine chemical castration with constant ankle-monitoring and there might be some ability to deter.  If they are able to somehow actively defeat these constraints then that would show clear-minded purpose and planning and would conclusively present a case where the individual could never be released into society again.  Fry that fucker and don't even think twice.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 11, 2011, 10:13:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/7Cuzc.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on November 11, 2011, 10:32:04 AM
what on earth would possess one to go to Harding...ever?  Doesn't Harding have some sort of weird power over the cable provider in Searcy so that nobody gets MTV, VH1 or any other evil channels?

It reaches further than just Searcy.  Plus, those fuckers were the biggest reason my 15-18-year-old-self couldn't get easy access good whackin material at the local jiffy marks.
They have.  No more bowling alley, guys dorms are too nice now, bunch more buildings.  If you haven't seen the updated Rhodes Fieldhouse, it's a good atmosphere for a bball game.  Burks brought in a ton of money during his tenure.  (Rumors of him pimping out boys have not been confirmed.)

/Harding '99.

They got rid of the bowling alley?  I can't remember for the life of me why the hell I was ever in that place, but I do recall bowlin there a time or threeve.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TomTHog on November 11, 2011, 10:42:30 AM
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state)

A good read. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: 'Riffic on November 11, 2011, 10:53:13 AM
It reaches further than just Searcy.  Plus, those frickers were the biggest reason my 15-18-year-old-self couldn't get easy access good whackin material at the local jiffy marks.

You must not have wanted it bad enough; it was there to be had, you just had to work for it.

They got rid of the bowling alley?  I can't remember for the life of me why the Starkville I was ever in that place, but I do recall bowlin there a time or threeve.

Yep.  Went back this summer with the wife & kids.  First time back.  It's some fancy student area now with more food, coffee shop, fireplace, etc.  I skipped about a dozen Zoology labs bowling in that alley.  Good times.  (Yes, I'll admit it, I loved my time there.  Frick the haters.)

/Thread derail. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 11, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
If, and no proof he was, it did occur then it doesn't give him the right to pay it forward 100 times. It's a bullshit excuse, nothing more than a copout.


I don't think anyone is saying it excuses anything.  Sometimes people get "reasons" and "excuses" confused.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 11, 2011, 10:55:16 AM
Too many liberal child fucking faggots with too much influence, too much political correctness (social Marxism) in our society allowing criminals too many "rights". A dyke on the supreme court doesn't help. At least she looks like a fish eater.  This story really makes me sick to my stomach. Bring back the gallows and judge Isaac Parker.


[awkward silence]

Um, what?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 11, 2011, 11:13:19 AM
There actually is an option known as medical castration, using progesterone.  It got some press a few years back, then fell off of the radar for whatever reason.  This looked like a pretty good link, but I was too lazy to read all of it.

http://www.csun.edu/~psy453/crimes_y.htm

Penises don't rape people.  People rape people.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shortstop6 on November 11, 2011, 11:17:27 AM
Penises don't rape people.  People rape people.

It's not a dick thing.  It's a head thing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LashHog on November 11, 2011, 11:18:20 AM
I don't think anyone is saying it excuses anything.  Sometimes people get "reasons" and "excuses" confused.
Exactly. There is probably a reason that explains why he works the way he does, or at least a root cause that grew into that...but that doesn't mean he doesn't have to pay for what he did.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 11, 2011, 11:20:59 AM
I don't think anyone is saying it excuses anything.  Sometimes people get "reasons" and "excuses" confused.

^^this.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 11, 2011, 11:28:17 AM
Jon Stewart weighs in:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-10-2011/penn-state-riots
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: boomer_sooie on November 11, 2011, 11:44:19 AM
I think Switzer has been the only coach former coach that's said something more than "this is tragic".

“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret,” Switzer said. “Everyone on that staff had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time.”

“You think that a 13-year assistant … hasn't told someone else?” Switzer said. “His wife? His father? People knew. The community knew.”

“There are more people culpable than just Joe Paterno and the athletic director,” Switzer said via telephone while traveling in Texas. “There are so many other people that have thought, ‘I could've done something about this, too' that didn't come forward. That's the tragedy of it.”


http://newsok.com/penn-state-tragedy-switzer-says-paterno-had-to-go/article/3621872?custom_click=pod_lead_sports







Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 11, 2011, 11:48:02 AM
I think Switzer has been the only coach former coach that's said something more than "this is tragic".

“Having been in this profession a long time and knowing how close coaching staffs are, I knew that this was a secret that was kept secret,” Switzer said. “Everyone on that staff had to have known, the ones that had been around a long time.”

“You think that a 13-year assistant … hasn't told someone else?” Switzer said. “His wife? His father? People knew. The community knew.”

“There are more people culpable than just Joe Paterno and the athletic director,” Switzer said via telephone while traveling in Texas. “There are so many other people that have thought, ‘I could've done something about this, too' that didn't come forward. That's the tragedy of it.”


http://newsok.com/penn-state-tragedy-switzer-says-paterno-had-to-go/article/3621872?custom_click=pod_lead_sports

Switzer knows from experience.  Everyone knew that he was banging his assistants' wives.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: onetimer on November 11, 2011, 12:13:15 PM
Franco Harris weighs in.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees

"I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go," Harris told the Tribune-Review's Kevin Gorman. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault. "


WTF?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 11, 2011, 12:26:04 PM
Broyles Award has deleted Sandusky from the web site. He never actually won it but was one of four to receive lifetime achievement award.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 11, 2011, 12:28:06 PM
Open letter to Penn State fans:

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/11/a-modest-proposal-to-penn-state-fans-skip-the-nebraska-game/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Clark on November 11, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
When Bootlegger's Boy says you messed up:


Daaaaayuuummm!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on November 11, 2011, 12:54:27 PM
Franco Harris weighs in.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees

"I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go," Harris told the Tribune-Review's Kevin Gorman. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault. "




WTF?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HxJimGgu58
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 11, 2011, 01:03:53 PM
Franco Harris weighs in.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees

"I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go," Harris told the Tribune-Review's Kevin Gorman. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault. "


WTF?

Wanna bet he hasn't read the indictment?

Even that vapid twit Ashton Kucher came back and said shait I'm a dumbass after he got the whole story.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 11, 2011, 01:11:03 PM
I am the 1%

/harding '04
I am the 1% also! Harding '93
Ha.  Amazing. 

Harding '96  (Get off my lawn)
Buncha' children, Harding 88.  The end of the Ganous era/the beginning of the blight.

They have.  No more bowling alley, guys dorms are too nice now, bunch more buildings.  If you haven't seen the updated Rhodes Fieldhouse, it's a good atmosphere for a bball game.  Burks brought in a ton of money during his tenure.  (Rumors of him pimping out boys have not been confirmed.)

/Harding '99.

UAMS 99

Now go mow my lawn.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 11, 2011, 01:15:24 PM
I don't think anyone is saying it excuses anything.  Sometimes people get "reasons" and "excuses" confused.

Touche'.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jose Papoopoo on November 11, 2011, 01:22:55 PM
Open letter to Penn State fans:

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/11/a-modest-proposal-to-penn-state-fans-skip-the-nebraska-game/

I don't agree with this. These current players/kids had nothing to do with this shit.  They don't need to be punished just to punish the institution.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 11, 2011, 01:33:31 PM
I don't agree with this. These current players/kids had nothing to do with this shit.  They don't need to be punished just to punish the institution.

No but there are STILL coaches on the staff who knew about this and did nothing.

But it won't matter, all 100,000 will show up.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 11, 2011, 01:39:11 PM
The 15 people who knew:

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/11/111111-news-penn-state-abuse-6-8/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: WORD on November 11, 2011, 01:41:17 PM
UAMS 99

Now go mow my lawn.


Word.  UAMS 2006
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: libertyhog on November 11, 2011, 01:42:18 PM
UAMS 99

Now go mow my lawn.

Fuck off, your last check bounced.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 11, 2011, 01:46:07 PM
Cars.com has pulled sponsorship in games that feature Penn State.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jose Papoopoo on November 11, 2011, 01:47:07 PM
No but there are STILL coaches on the staff who knew about this and did nothing.

But it won't matter, all 100,000 will show up.

Did anybody else know besides McQuery?  I assume the only reason they are keeping him around, based on something I heard yesterday, is the prosecution wants to ensure that he is a cooperating witness in the trial. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 11, 2011, 01:50:39 PM
I'm hearing that more allegations are to be announced possibly as soon as tonight.  I can't imagine how much worse this can get.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 11, 2011, 02:03:00 PM
I'm hearing that more allegations are to be announced possibly as soon as tonight.  I can't imagine how much worse this can get.

I said when this story first broke this was just the tip of the iceberg.

Oh it'll get much worse.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: eastcoasthogfan on November 11, 2011, 02:12:21 PM
Scott Paterno tweeted today that Joe Pa never hired an attorney.

So who reported that he did? And why?

This is getting more and more weird.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on November 11, 2011, 02:12:28 PM
Burn it down.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 11, 2011, 02:18:10 PM
Did anybody else know besides McQuery?  I assume the only reason they are keeping him around, based on something I heard yesterday, is the prosecution wants to ensure that he is a cooperating witness in the trial.

Well, according to Switzer, that would be a tough secret to keep.  Especially since Sandusky resigned at only 55 and took no job elsewhere.  The entire staff has been there since at least 2004, almost all of them at least 15 years.  Tom Bradley has been there 33 years.  Jay Paterno has been an assitant since 1994.  Somebody must know.

The janitor is a witness and told several people.  The university police likely got wind of it unless the AD is even more of a liar than currently thought.  Somebody knows.  I'm sure they are going through Sandusky's bank records with a fine tooth comb.  How's he been making a living?

If I'm the AG my investigators will make clear, "yes, I am, in fact, on a witch hunt.  I'm looking for scalps and I make no bones about it.  There's no one that can protect you.  The coach is out.  The AD is out.  The school president is out.  No one is safe.  You don't want to be on the wrong side of this issue.  Tell me everything you know and make sure it is 100% right.  Nobody that lies is safe from me."

I'd go scorched earth.  Sommybody is going to remember a phone call.  A meeting.  Somebody is going to call a tip line.  This went on too long for there to be no one in the athletic department with knowledge.  Someone will give somebody else up and then the race to make the best deal begins. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogtired on November 11, 2011, 02:25:48 PM
UAMS 99

Now go mow my lawn.

We playing who hads the biggest Johnson???

Vandy 84
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on November 11, 2011, 02:28:48 PM
Switzer knows from experience.  Everyone knew that he was banging his assistants' wives.

That was part of the assistants job description.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Clark on November 11, 2011, 02:39:45 PM
Vandy 84
and the rest of you Harding/Hendrix/OBU posers....

NERDS!!!!!

UofA

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 11, 2011, 02:46:35 PM
Is it true Harding prohibits students from having sex standing up because it can lead to dancing?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Sauce on November 11, 2011, 02:53:19 PM
Is it true Harding prohibits students from having sex standing up because it can lead to dancing?

(http://jasminesadry81.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/barry-switzer.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigEarn on November 11, 2011, 02:56:14 PM
Franco Harris weighs in.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16076958/franco-harris-defends-paterno-mcqueary-blasts-trustees

"I feel that the board made a bad decision in letting Joe Paterno go," Harris told the Tribune-Review's Kevin Gorman. "I'm very disappointed in their decision. I thought they showed no courage, not to back someone who really needed it at the time. They were saying the football program under Joe was at fault. "


WTF?

I wonder what someone would have to do to get fired in Franco Harris' judgement? Set a school bus full of kids on fire after Sandusky had his way with them before hand?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Biff Malibu on November 11, 2011, 02:58:45 PM
and the rest of you Harding/Hendrix/OBU posers....

NERDS!!!!!

UofA

In honor of the NFL...

Rogers High School 1997
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal/Harding Derail
Post by: Doc Hogaday on November 11, 2011, 03:16:24 PM
I am the 1%

/harding '04

Guess we were there together for a year then, but that's about all I could take.

/Hendrix '04
/UAMS '09
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: 'Riffic on November 11, 2011, 03:17:51 PM
Is it true Harding prohibits students from having sex standing up because it can lead to dancing?

No, they just frown upon it.  And tell you to pack your bags & leave your money on your way out. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on November 11, 2011, 03:22:22 PM
People like us are a little shocked at this whole deal.
Like I said the other night with the CNN anchor lady, people who aren't football fans like us have been watching this whole deal and are just aghast at not only the initial failings but the rioting, the whining, etc.

There is no one involved in this saga that will come out of this covered in nothing but shame.... rioting students included.    If I were a Penn State degree holder, I'd be beyond angry. 

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/11/the_shame_of_penn_state/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 11, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
UAMS 99

Now go mow my lawn.

UAMS '09

Apples?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on November 11, 2011, 03:38:54 PM
UAMS '09

Apples?

Guess I'm the grizzled old guy around here.

UAMS '88
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razorback Jedi on November 11, 2011, 03:47:01 PM
McQueary put on indefinite administrative leave:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/11/penn-state-trustees-consider-panel-to-investigate-sex-abuse-allegations/

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on November 11, 2011, 04:05:24 PM
BURN IT DOWN
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Spongebob on November 11, 2011, 04:18:42 PM
Guess I'm the grizzled old guy around here.

UAMS '88

Got you beat.  UAMS 1986
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 11, 2011, 04:42:27 PM
UAMS '09

Apples?

I like them.  :D
(http://blogs.msdn.com/blogfiles/aniyer/WindowsLiveWriter/Doyoulikeapples_14278/Matt_Damon_Good_Will_Hunting_Apples_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 11, 2011, 05:07:45 PM
I'll preface this post by saying that I am not trying to get into a political debate, but just putting my thoughts out there.

I'm all for anything that deters people from doing this to children, be that death penalty or whatever.

I saw this on the Mizzou board earlier today. 

http://www.brokenyoke.org/

I guess when you think about it, what does a person who has those urges do?

Not to excuse it in any way whatsoever, but there needs to be help for people who feel that way.  There needs to be somewhere they can get help before they destroy the lives of other people.

As libertarian as I am on most issues, more access to mental-health care options is something I really wish our government would provide.

Shame prevents a lot of people from seeking help with their dark side.  I wish there was some way we could make it ok to seek help and admit fricked-up ness.

I think with the sheer number of people in churches that act on these kinds of impulses, its clear that religion hasn't solved issues like this.  Mental healthcare access would save a lot of people a lot of devastation and pain.

You sound like an apologist for NAMBLA.  I could give a shit whether sexual predators are made that way genetically, or made that way environmentally.  You blame churches for not solving it, the legal system for not preventing it, and then state that a free shrink would help them get in touch with their feelings so they wouldnt act on their urges.  Bullshit.

You want to know why these slimeballs act on theior urges?  Because it makes them feel good. They don't seek shrinks to make them fix their drives because that is what empowers their ego.  Jail will not cure them as it does nothing to dispel thier urges, and they will immediately begin hunting again on parole.  Finding them embedded in churches has nothing to do with faith or penance, but with the fact that certain places provide easy prey combined with structured power bases and closed hierarchies.  Catholic Church, PSU, Scout troops all have similaritires combined with various cloaks of trust. 

Sandusky has the same bent genes that any sexual psychopath possesses, and unfortunately no amount of therapy, prayer meetings, encounter groups, or prison would have rid him of his overarching need to anally rape prepubescent boys.  The fact is he was able to cloak his behavior within the power structure of PSU that sought to protect the institution instead of the victim or society.  Only one thing stops these monsters...death. 

So to me the real villains in this thing were the folks who were involved in this thing for years and instead of protecting the victims and stopping the rapist, chose to protect the institution, whether that is Paterno or PSU.  And that element, I believe, will turn into a very deep pile of corruption, blackmail, and payoffs.  Where are the parents of these boys?  Where are the boys themselves?  I know most parents would not have stopped with a caring call from Joe Pa that they were looking into it, and some would have murdered him in the street.  I believe we will see that the school paid out millions of dollars in hush funds, free scholarships, and lifetime employment in return for silence.  McQuery called his dad first, a friend of Sandusky.  Did dad then give his son the words to secure his career for life with the execs of the school?

Go Switzer.  I believe most coaches had little use for Paterno, since he hasnt coached a lick in years, and this drive for the record was a fraud.  PSU would have put his head in a jar if he had died before reaching it and said he was still coaching.  The only hope I have from the NCAA investigation to come is that somewhere they find a few players that are ineligible, and he has to forfeit a few wins.  That would be a perfect ending for fucking Joe Paterno, who I've loathed as a dirtbag since 69 when he whined about being left out of the shootout.  Fuck you Joe.  Lets see, in every game since at least 02, you have sat in your coaches box and known that your buddy was buggering little boys and you did nothing about it.  Eat shit motherfucker.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 11, 2011, 05:13:10 PM
You sound like an apologist for NAMBLA.  I could give a shit whether sexual predators are made that way genetically, or made that way environmentally.  You blame churches for not solving it, the legal system for not preventing it, and then state that a free shrink would help them get in touch with their feelings so they wouldnt act on their urges.  Bullshit.

You want to know why these slimeballs act on theior urges?  Because it makes them feel good. They don't seek shrinks to make them fix their drives because that is what empowers their ego.  Jail will not cure them as it does nothing to dispel thier urges, and they will immediately begin hunting again on parole.  Finding them embedded in churches has nothing to do with faith or penance, but with the fact that certain places provide easy prey combined with structured power bases and closed hierarchies.  Catholic Church, PSU, Scout troops all have similaritires combined with various cloaks of trust. 

Sandusky has the same bent genes that any sexual psychopath possesses, and unfortunately no amount of therapy, prayer meetings, encounter groups, or prison would have rid him of his overarching need to anally rape prepubescent boys.  The fact is he was able to cloak his behavior within the power structure of PSU that sought to protect the institution instead of the victim or society.  Only one thing stops these monsters...death. 

So to me the real villains in this thing were the folks who were involved in this thing for years and instead of protecting the victims and stopping the rapist, chose to protect the institution, whether that is Paterno or PSU.  And that element, I believe, will turn into a very deep pile of corruption, blackmail, and payoffs.  Where are the parents of these boys?  Where are the boys themselves?  I know most parents would not have stopped with a caring call from Joe Pa that they were looking into it, and some would have murdered him in the street.  I believe we will see that the school paid out millions of dollars in hush funds, free scholarships, and lifetime employment in return for silence.  McQuery called his dad first, a friend of Sandusky.  Did dad then give his son the words to secure his career for life with the execs of the school?

Go Switzer.  I believe most coaches had little use for Paterno, since he hasnt coached a lick in years, and this drive for the record was a fraud.  PSU would have put his head in a jar if he had died before reaching it and said he was still coaching.  The only hope I have from the NCAA investigation to come is that somewhere they find a few players that are ineligible, and he has to forfeit a few wins.  That would be a perfect ending for fucking Joe Paterno, who I've loathed as a dirtbag since 69 when he whined about being left out of the shootout.  Fuck you Joe.  Lets see, in every game since at least 02, you have sat in your coaches box and known that your buddy was buggering little boys and you did nothing about it.  Eat shit motherfucker.
Why the fuck can't you just stop beating around the bush and say how you feel? Now is not the time for vague statements and ambiguity. :stache:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 11, 2011, 05:15:29 PM
His theory may work. The way I look at it is; I have a compulsion for fucking women. If someone gave me a chemical castration that took my sex drive away completely I would no longer have that compulsion and would probably stop fucking women. Why wouldn't the same thing work for the Sandusky's of the world?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 11, 2011, 05:24:14 PM
His theory may work. The way I look at it is; I have a compulsion for fucking women. If someone gave me a chemical castration that took my sex drive away completely I would no longer have that compulsion and would probably stop fucking women. Why wouldn't the same thing work for the Sandusky's of the world?

Psst: the angry ones don't care about the problem, they just want vengeance.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Sauce on November 11, 2011, 05:52:26 PM
Cinder block thrown through window of Sandusky's house

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111111_Cinder_block_thrown_through_window_at_Sandusky_house.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111111_Cinder_block_thrown_through_window_at_Sandusky_house.html)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 11, 2011, 05:57:47 PM
Cinder block thrown through window of Sandusky's house

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111111_Cinder_block_thrown_through_window_at_Sandusky_house.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20111111_Cinder_block_thrown_through_window_at_Sandusky_house.html)


Sadly whoever did it is just pissed because he got Paterno fired.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 11, 2011, 06:07:06 PM
I'll preface this post by saying that I am not trying to get into a political debate, but just putting my thoughts out there.

I'm all for anything that deters people from doing this to children, be that death penalty or whatever.

I saw this on the Mizzou board earlier today. 

http://www.brokenyoke.org/

I guess when you think about it, what does a person who has those urges do?

Not to excuse it in any way whatsoever, but there needs to be help for people who feel that way.  There needs to be somewhere they can get help before they destroy the lives of other people.
As libertarian as I am on most issues, more access to mental-health care options is something I really wish our government would provide. Shame prevents a lot of people from seeking help with their dark side.  I wish there was some way we could make it ok to seek help and admit fucked-up ness.

I think with the sheer number of people in churches that act on these kinds of impulses, its clear that religion hasn't solved issues like this.  Mental healthcare access would save a lot of people a lot of devastation and pain.

Agree, agree, agree and agree.

Who knows if Sandusky would have benefited from any kind of therapy. I think some of these people likely would - which means a safer world for children, generally speaking.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 11, 2011, 06:08:25 PM
You sound like an apologist for NAMBLA.  I could give a shit whether sexual predators are made that way genetically, or made that way environmentally.  You blame churches for not solving it, the legal system for not preventing it, and then state that a free shrink would help them get in touch with their feelings so they wouldnt act on their urges.  Bullshit.

You want to know why these slimeballs act on theior urges?  Because it makes them feel good. They don't seek shrinks to make them fix their drives because that is what empowers their ego.  Jail will not cure them as it does nothing to dispel thier urges, and they will immediately begin hunting again on parole.  Finding them embedded in churches has nothing to do with faith or penance, but with the fact that certain places provide easy prey combined with structured power bases and closed hierarchies.  Catholic Church, PSU, Scout troops all have similaritires combined with various cloaks of trust. 

Sandusky has the same bent genes that any sexual psychopath possesses, and unfortunately no amount of therapy, prayer meetings, encounter groups, or prison would have rid him of his overarching need to anally rape prepubescent boys.  The fact is he was able to cloak his behavior within the power structure of PSU that sought to protect the institution instead of the victim or society.  Only one thing stops these monsters...death. 

So to me the real villains in this thing were the folks who were involved in this thing for years and instead of protecting the victims and stopping the rapist, chose to protect the institution, whether that is Paterno or PSU.  And that element, I believe, will turn into a very deep pile of corruption, blackmail, and payoffs.  Where are the parents of these boys?  Where are the boys themselves?  I know most parents would not have stopped with a caring call from Joe Pa that they were looking into it, and some would have murdered him in the street.  I believe we will see that the school paid out millions of dollars in hush funds, free scholarships, and lifetime employment in return for silence.  McQuery called his dad first, a friend of Sandusky.  Did dad then give his son the words to secure his career for life with the execs of the school?

Go Switzer.  I believe most coaches had little use for Paterno, since he hasnt coached a lick in years, and this drive for the record was a fraud.  PSU would have put his head in a jar if he had died before reaching it and said he was still coaching.  The only hope I have from the NCAA investigation to come is that somewhere they find a few players that are ineligible, and he has to forfeit a few wins.  That would be a perfect ending for fucking Joe Paterno, who I've loathed as a dirtbag since 69 when he whined about being left out of the shootout.  Fuck you Joe.  Lets see, in every game since at least 02, you have sat in your coaches box and known that your buddy was buggering little boys and you did nothing about it.  Eat shit motherfucker.

Seriously?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Ob Gyn Kenobi on November 11, 2011, 06:31:43 PM
Guess I'm the grizzled old guy around here.

UAMS '88

Wow.
UTSouthwestern '88
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 11, 2011, 07:10:09 PM
His theory may work. The way I look at it is; I have a compulsion for fucking women. If someone gave me a chemical castration that took my sex drive away completely I would no longer have that compulsion and would probably stop fucking women. Why wouldn't the same thing work for the Sandusky's of the world?

Sex drive isn't the whole issue, though.  If you were a rapist, like the sorry sack of shit in question, it's about power, or anger, or some other issues that cause the aberrant behavior.  So, if your dick went limp, a baseball bat might very well suffice.  Depoprovera has shown some limited use, but it isn't for certain by any means.  The only chemicals known to work 100% of the time is a mix of pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 11, 2011, 07:15:32 PM
The only chemicals known to work 100% of the time is a mix of pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride.

(http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/919/27c/37f/resized/check-counts-meme-generator-i-see-what-you-did-there-_-84a230.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 11, 2011, 07:28:23 PM
Sex drive isn't the whole issue, though.  If you were a rapist, like the sorry sack of shit in question, it's about power, or anger, or some other issues that cause the aberrant behavior.  So, if your dick went limp, a baseball bat might very well suffice.  Depoprovera has shown some limited use, but it isn't for certain by any means.  The only chemicals known to work 100% of the time is a mix of pancuronium bromide and potassium chloride.

Whatthefuckever...if he didn't have a dick, he couldn't stick it in anyone.

There are thousands of ways to abuse others, but as a man, I'm all for cutting off the junk of any motherfucker who rapes.  Period.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: razornole on November 11, 2011, 07:56:31 PM
Well, according to Switzer, that would be a tough secret to keep.  Especially since Sandusky resigned at only 55 and took no job elsewhere.  The entire staff has been there since at least 2004, almost all of them at least 15 years.  Tom Bradley has been there 33 years.  Jay Paterno has been an assitant since 1994.  Somebody must know.

The janitor is a witness and told several people.  The university police likely got wind of it unless the AD is even more of a liar than currently thought.  Somebody knows.  I'm sure they are going through Sandusky's bank records with a fine tooth comb.  How's he been making a living?

If I'm the AG my investigators will make clear, "yes, I am, in fact, on a witch hunt.  I'm looking for scalps and I make no bones about it.  There's no one that can protect you.  The coach is out.  The AD is out.  The school president is out.  No one is safe.  You don't want to be on the wrong side of this issue.  Tell me everything you know and make sure it is 100% right.  Nobody that lies is safe from me."

I'd go scorched earth.  Sommybody is going to remember a phone call.  A meeting.  Somebody is going to call a tip line.  This went on too long for there to be no one in the athletic department with knowledge.  Someone will give somebody else up and then the race to make the best deal begins.

I'd vote for you.  solid
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 11, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
Whatthefuckever...if he didn't have a dick, he couldn't stick it in anyone.

There are thousands of ways to abuse others, but as a man, I'm all for cutting off the junk of any motherfucker who rapes.  Period.

The largest sex organ any of us have is our brain. The junk, whether male or female, pales in comparison except, as a delivery method. Cutting off someone's dick is treating the symptoms v. the problem.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 11, 2011, 08:03:00 PM
McQueary done and in protective custody. Also... doublefisting booze.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/11/mike-mcqueary-protective-custody-double-fisting/#.Tr3TapMgegr (http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/11/mike-mcqueary-protective-custody-double-fisting/#.Tr3TapMgegr)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 11, 2011, 08:05:46 PM
You sound like an apologist for NAMBLA.  I could give a shit whether sexual predators are made that way genetically, or made that way environmentally.  You blame churches for not solving it, the legal system for not preventing it, and then state that a free shrink would help them get in touch with their feelings so they wouldnt act on their urges.  Bullshit.

You want to know why these slimeballs act on theior urges?  Because it makes them feel good. They don't seek shrinks to make them fix their drives because that is what empowers their ego.  Jail will not cure them as it does nothing to dispel thier urges, and they will immediately begin hunting again on parole.  Finding them embedded in churches has nothing to do with faith or penance, but with the fact that certain places provide easy prey combined with structured power bases and closed hierarchies.  Catholic Church, PSU, Scout troops all have similaritires combined with various cloaks of trust. 

Sandusky has the same bent genes that any sexual psychopath possesses, and unfortunately no amount of therapy, prayer meetings, encounter groups, or prison would have rid him of his overarching need to anally rape prepubescent boys.  The fact is he was able to cloak his behavior within the power structure of PSU that sought to protect the institution instead of the victim or society.  Only one thing stops these monsters...death. 

So to me the real villains in this thing were the folks who were involved in this thing for years and instead of protecting the victims and stopping the rapist, chose to protect the institution, whether that is Paterno or PSU.  And that element, I believe, will turn into a very deep pile of corruption, blackmail, and payoffs.  Where are the parents of these boys?  Where are the boys themselves?  I know most parents would not have stopped with a caring call from Joe Pa that they were looking into it, and some would have murdered him in the street.  I believe we will see that the school paid out millions of dollars in hush funds, free scholarships, and lifetime employment in return for silence.  McQuery called his dad first, a friend of Sandusky.  Did dad then give his son the words to secure his career for life with the execs of the school?

Go Switzer.  I believe most coaches had little use for Paterno, since he hasnt coached a lick in years, and this drive for the record was a fraud.  PSU would have put his head in a jar if he had died before reaching it and said he was still coaching.  The only hope I have from the NCAA investigation to come is that somewhere they find a few players that are ineligible, and he has to forfeit a few wins.  That would be a perfect ending for fucking Joe Paterno, who I've loathed as a dirtbag since 69 when he whined about being left out of the shootout.  Fuck you Joe.  Lets see, in every game since at least 02, you have sat in your coaches box and known that your buddy was buggering little boys and you did nothing about it.  Eat shit motherfucker.




This says it all. Anyone thinking otherwise can jump off a cliff.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogtired on November 11, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
The largest sex organ any of us have is our brain. The junk, whether male or female, pales in comparison except, as a delivery method. Cutting off someone's dick is treating the symptoms v. the problem.

Game, set and match
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 11, 2011, 08:09:21 PM
Quote
"This is obviously a sensitive subject for you, and I understand how difficult and uncomfortable it must be to talk about the abrupt end of JoePa's career, but as a journalist, it's my responsibility to weed past the 40 counts of sexual misconduct over a 15-year period and the gross negligence on the part of school authorities and ask about what is really important here: Joe Paterno's football accomplishments," Steve Wieberg of USA Today said to one anonymous victim, who was 10 years old when Sandusky assaulted him and who now suffers from irreparable emotional and psychological damage. "He is the winningest Division I football coach of all time and a man whose very name is synonymous with excellence. As a Penn State fan yourself, this must be very tough for you."


http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sports-media-asks-molestation-victims-what-this-me,26609/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 11, 2011, 08:09:40 PM
The largest sex organ any of us have is our brain. The junk, whether male or female, pales in comparison except, as a delivery method. Cutting off someone's dick is treating the symptoms v. the problem.

Yea you're right. A shotgun in the mouth works much better.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 11, 2011, 08:20:07 PM
Whatthefuckever...if he didn't have a dick, he couldn't stick it in anyone.

There are thousands of ways to abuse others, but as a man, I'm all for cutting off the junk of any motherfucker who rapes.  Period.

Not having a dick doesn't fix the problem.  A deviant is a deviant, and removing the junk won't change that.  Great, make them an incredibly angry deviant, want one of them getting a hold of your wife or kids?  I think my solution is the best one, pardon the pun, but the SCOTUS won't allow it. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 11, 2011, 08:36:48 PM
Whatthefuckever...if he didn't have a dick, he couldn't stick it in anyone.

There are thousands of ways to abuse others, but as a man, I'm all for cutting off the junk of any motherfricker who rapes.  Period.

Actually, I read about a case in Arkansas where a guy is in prison for raping a girl with a beer bottle. He was impotent.

However, I was always under the impression that castration removed the will to even want to do it. I could be wrong though.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 11, 2011, 08:49:23 PM
McQueary done and in protective custody. Also... doublefisting booze.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/11/mike-mcqueary-protective-custody-double-fisting/#.Tr3TapMgegr (http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/11/mike-mcqueary-protective-custody-double-fisting/#.Tr3TapMgegr)

The mere fact that you would not only quote but obviously also read TMZ speaks volumes. HOLEEEE SHIIT!!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 11, 2011, 09:10:45 PM
Just kind of wondering why everyone wasn't so up in arms when Michael Jackson got caught doing the same thing?  Because he probably did but more and younger.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 11, 2011, 09:24:02 PM
However, I was always under the impression that castration removed the will to even want to do it. I could be wrong though.

 :police:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on November 11, 2011, 09:26:25 PM
:police:

Bingo
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 11, 2011, 09:31:40 PM
Just kind of wondering why everyone wasn't so up in arms when Michael Jackson got caught doing the same thing?  Because he probably did but more and younger.

"He made Thriller... Thriller."

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11926&title=celebrity-trial-jury-selection&xrs=share_copy
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on November 11, 2011, 09:35:01 PM
"Cutting off someone's dick is treating the symptoms v. the problem."

It treats the symptoms but solves the problem.



 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 11, 2011, 09:37:26 PM
:police:

Yea, but it sure gave Stevie a lot of satisfaction.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 11, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
"Cutting off someone's dick is treating the symptoms v. the problem."

It treats the symtoms but solves the problem.

What part of "no it doesn't" are you missing?  These people can beat both chemical and physical castration, which is more effective than lopping off the cock.  There are two ways to fix them, and before you label me some bleeding heart, they are lock them away for good and put them down.  I prefer the latter, frankly.  Not for the horny 20 year old that taps the 17 year old, but serial rapists and pedophiles.  They do not deserve to walk among us.  Period.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: God on November 11, 2011, 10:15:44 PM
The largest sex organ any of us have is our brain.

On you maybe.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on November 11, 2011, 10:55:21 PM
On you maybe.
Spoken as someone who truly has no clue how to satisfy a women. Focusing on getting your own does not lead to many return engagements, young pup.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on November 11, 2011, 11:16:32 PM
Just kind of wondering why everyone wasn't so up in arms when Michael Jackson got caught doing the same thing?  Because he probably did but more and younger.

There were one or two articles about that as well.  But probably the biggest difference is everyone already knew or at least had strong suspicions that he was a deranged pervert.  Penn State as an institution has gone through the decades with this superiority complex about being a clean program and higher standard bullshit.  That facade has been shattered.  Thus the difference in outrage levels.

Institutional cover-up > Individual psychosis

QED
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: God on November 11, 2011, 11:19:18 PM
Spoken as someone who truly has no clue how to satisfy a women. Focusing on getting your own does not lead to many return engagements, young pup.

You treat objects like women, man.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on November 12, 2011, 04:09:09 AM
Just kind of wondering why everyone wasn't so up in arms when Michael Jackson got caught doing the same thing?  Because he probably did but more and younger.

Really, he got caught fucking a 10yo in the ass on multiple occasions?  Really.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: papermill on November 12, 2011, 05:35:18 AM
There were one or two articles about that as well.  But probably the biggest difference is everyone already knew or at least had strong suspicions that he was a deranged pervert.  Penn State as an institution has gone through the decades with this superiority complex about being a clean program and higher standard bullshit.  That facade has been shattered.  Thus the difference in outrage levels.

Institutional cover-up > Individual psychosis

QED

which is why when Penn State people start thinking they are going to be really angry at Paterno and the rest of them more than anybody

Even if this coverup involves a couple hundred people (which would make it HUGE) that would still be a tiny slice of the entire group of people who have had anything to do with PSU over the last 15 years.  You've got this big festering sore right at the heart of power at PSU that taints everything about the place but still most folks who've passed through there or rooted for them are just regular decent folks who went there because that's their big school to go to.  I can't imagine how mad I would be if a group of sleazy scumbags brought something like this down on my alma mater or someplace else I admired.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 12, 2011, 07:18:12 AM
You treat objects like women, man.
(http://collider.com/wp-content/uploads/the-big-lebowski-movie-image-01.jpg)
U R fail
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on November 12, 2011, 08:39:00 AM
BURN IT DOWN


Not surprising, the ESPNs reported their was a bomb threat on the stadium for the game today.

This whole situation is beyond bizarre.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 12, 2011, 10:21:45 AM
Sandusky was seen shopping at a sporting goods store this week.  Guess which one.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AhcKcOkcRB_90yRAwbFgH345nYcB?slug=pf-forde_penn_state_weirdest_game_ever111111

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 12, 2011, 10:33:12 AM
 :(

Quote
Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky is the Pied Piper of his time.
Knight Ridder/Tribune News Service
December 27, 1999
Bill Lyon

PHILADELPHIA _ Who will take in the strays?  Who'll tend to the forgotten? Who will open their door to the throwaways, the runaways, the ones squarely in harm's way?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 12, 2011, 11:00:39 AM
I get the feeling most PSU fans are more angry and hurt their beloved university has been smeared by this scandal than the actual scandal itself.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 12, 2011, 11:09:04 AM
Pretty classy move by Nebraska.  Meeting the players at midfield for a prayer.  Hell, it isn't their fault, but they suffer anyway.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Green_Lanternn on November 12, 2011, 11:12:05 AM
Sandusky was recruiting high school players for Penn State this season. 

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/11/11/sandusky-recuited-hs-players-this-season/

In other news, have Bobby get on the phone with the linebacker in question, Ah Ching   :smirey:
Title: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 12, 2011, 11:25:42 AM
Really, he got caught fucking a 10yo in the ass on multiple occasions?  Really.

I know , that's what I'm seeing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 12, 2011, 11:42:35 AM
What part of "no it doesn't" are you missing?  These people can beat both chemical and physical castration, which is more effective than lopping off the cock.  There are two ways to fix them, and before you label me some bleeding heart, they are lock them away for good and put them down.  I prefer the latter, frankly.  Not for the horny 20 year old that taps the 17 year old, but serial rapists and pedophiles.  They do not deserve to walk among us.  Period.

Cut off their junk.  Tattoo their offender level on their forehead if they are paroled.  "III" 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on November 12, 2011, 12:59:23 PM
 :P
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 12, 2011, 02:15:55 PM
Cut off their junk.  Tattoo their offender level on their forehead if they are paroled.  "III"

You want them as smooth as a Ken doll, I want them as lifeless as one.  I think we're still on the same side.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 12, 2011, 03:17:25 PM
You want them as smooth as a Ken doll, I want them as lifeless as one.  I think we're still on the same side.

I'm just working under the assumption that we'll never see the death penalty for rape.  I'm with you on that one.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: snoots on November 12, 2011, 03:40:45 PM
The molestations, the firing of a legendary coach, firing of AD, possible cleaning house of the coaching staff will have a negative impact on recruiting for years to come.   We may not be hearing much from Penn St as a relevant football power for a while.  Not that they really have been, but at least the media won't be as quick to put them in the top 10 every time they beat Northwestern.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 12, 2011, 08:01:32 PM
The largest sex organ any of us have is our brain. The junk, whether male or female, pales in comparison except, as a delivery method. Cutting off someone's dick is treating the symptoms v. the problem.
Jesus Christ.  Now we have the Playboy Philosophy coming unto it.  Sandusky and other sexual predators are not driven through eroticism; he was not quoting poetry to these boys.  He is a sociopathic deviant, and his bent genes pointed him into being a pedophilic serial rapist, a slight change in circumstance, genes, or environment and he is the BTK killer, Ted Bundy, or the Boston Strangler.  Our legal system is not set up for this kind of monster, and unfortunately the laws differentiate little between a Sandusky and a 19 year old that has consensual sex with a 16 year old.  Sexual predators are different than individuals who commit what is deemed a sex crime; they are totally different.

There is no cure for the evil in these beasts.  No religion, no psychiatry, no medical procedure, no social group can fix these monsters.  They will always return to their nature; they are a permanent threat to society no different than a serial killer or mass murderer.  Lock them up forever or shoot them.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 12, 2011, 08:48:44 PM
Jesus Christ.  Now we have the Playboy Philosophy coming unto it.  Sandusky and other sexual predators are not driven through eroticism; he was not quoting poetry to these boys.  He is a sociopathic deviant, and his bent genes pointed him into being a pedophilic serial rapist, a slight change in circumstance, genes, or environment and he is the BTK killer, Ted Bundy, or the Boston Strangler.  Our legal system is not set up for this kind of monster, and unfortunately the laws differentiate little between a Sandusky and a 19 year old that has consensual sex with a 16 year old.  Sexual predators are different than individuals who commit what is deemed a sex crime; they are totally different.

There is no cure for the evil in these beasts.  No religion, no psychiatry, no medical procedure, no social group can fix these monsters.  They will always return to their nature; they are a permanent threat to society no different than a serial killer or mass murderer.  Lock them up forever or shoot them.

I tend to agree.  Whatever it is that happens to them at the early stage of childhood development, you can't take it back.....ever.  They will always be attracted to that age group kid.  For those that choose to act on those urges they need to be put away.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on November 12, 2011, 09:52:28 PM
But they don't always act on those urges. That is what makes him evil and not just sick. He only acted out with the vulnerable ones. I suspect he controlled his urges with the Paterno grandkids.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Austin Nichols on November 12, 2011, 10:56:27 PM
Anybody watch Sportscenter just now and see them interview the old man river PSU grad, all the while a Confederate flag is flying in the background?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on November 12, 2011, 11:14:04 PM
Anybody watch Sportscenter just now and see them interview the old man river PSU grad, all the while a Confederate flag is flying in the background?
 

Well, that state is pretty much Pittsburgh, Philly, and Alabama in between.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 13, 2011, 12:15:37 AM
The molestations, the firing of a legendary coach, firing of AD, possible cleaning house of the coaching staff will have a negative impact on recruiting for years to come.   We may not be hearing much from Penn St as a relevant football power for a while.  Not that they really have been, but at least the media won't be as quick to put them in the top 10 every time they beat Northwestern.

Dr. Lou says they'll be back in roughly ten years.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 13, 2011, 08:00:43 AM
Dr. Lou says they'll be back in roughly ten years.

They should hire Nutt.  If firing him sets a program back 20 years, just think what hiring him would do to a program destined for a 10 year slump!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 13, 2011, 11:16:04 AM
I knew more would be coming.

In wake of Penn State, another college reveals abuse probe.


CHARLESTON, South Carolina (Reuters) - In the wake of the Penn State child sex abuse scandal, another university, The Citadel military college in South Carolina, revealed on Saturday that it had investigated accusations against a camp counselor but took no action.

The man has since been jailed on separate charges of molesting five boys in Mount Pleasant, near Charleston, South Carolina.

"We regret that we did not pursue this matter further," Citadel President Lt. General John Rosa and Board of Visitors Chair Doug Snyder said in a statement.

The Citadel said it investigated four years ago accusations of inappropriate conduct with children by Louis Neal "Skip" ReVille, who was a counselor at the military school's camp.

ReVille is a graduate of The Citadel, the college said, and worked as a counselor at the school's camp for three summers between 2001 and 2003.

In 2007, a former camper at The Citadel Summer Camp informed the school that five years earlier, when he was 14, ReVille invited him and another boy into his room where the three watched pornography on ReVille's computer and masturbated, college officials said.

"Because of the seriousness of the accusation, The Citadel's general counsel conducted an investigation immediately, including traveling to the individual and his family and conducting an interview," the statement said.

"A thorough review of Mr. ReVille's records revealed no other complaints, and interviews indicated that he was highly regarded by those at camp. His file included a clean background check conducted by an outside organization. Unlike his admissions to current charges, Mr. ReVille strongly denied the accusation."

After graduation from The Citadel, ReVille was a principal at Coastal Christian Preparatory School and had coached sports for years at several area schools and recreation centers, police said.

He was arrested in October on the child molestation charges.

The Citadel said it was commenting on the incident now because of media requests in the wake of the Penn State sex abuse scandal. Jerry Sandusky, the former defensive coordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions, was charged on November 5 with sexually abusing eight young boys over a period of nearly 15 years.

That scandal has forced the resignation of some of Penn State's biggest names, including the school's president, its athletic director and its legendary football coach, Joe Paterno.

(Editing by James B. Kelleher and Greg McCune)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 13, 2011, 11:20:49 AM
I get the feeling most PSU fans are more angry and hurt their beloved university has been smeared by this scandal than the actual scandal itself.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 13, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
But they don't always act on those urges. That is what makes him evil and not just sick. He only acted out with the vulnerable ones. I suspect he controlled his urges with the Paterno grandkids.

These beasts are not rampaging maniacs; if so, Sandusky wouldnt be able to drive past Chuck E cheese.  These are coldly calculating reptilian individuals who focus first on self preservation, from the types of victims to the choice of their environment.  It takes an intense ability of self control to Live a doyble life
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on November 13, 2011, 05:12:02 PM
Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on November 13, 2011, 05:28:56 PM
Judge Who Set Unsecured Bail For Jerry Sandusky Is a Second Mile Volunteer

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-set-unsecured-bail-for-jerry-sandusky-is-a-second-mile-volunteer

Welp, not everybody wants to be re-elected.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 13, 2011, 05:50:20 PM
How fucking ridiculous.  No wonder sandusky feels bulletproof.  Most of pennsylvania must be ass raping little boys.  Sandusky probably has a compound in a non extraditing third world country where he buys victims like Angelina Jolie adopts African "orphans".
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on November 13, 2011, 06:25:35 PM
I'm starting to think this Second Mile thing was like Project Mayhem

Tyler Durden: [to the police chief] Hi. You're going to call off your rigorous investigation. You're going to publicly state that there is no underground group. Or... these guys are going to take your balls. They're going to send one to the New York Times, one to the LA Times press-release style. Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Turd F. on November 14, 2011, 09:58:25 AM
The hits just keep on coming and Paterno's true character is discussed a little more in detail here:

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/45283472/ns/sports-college_football/
The voicemail was left by a buddy from his playing days back at Brown University.

“He made a reference to the Sandusky thing,” Matt Paknis says. “I didn’t know what he was talking about, but it sounded weird.”

The Sandusky thing. By now, America knows it all too well. The Sandusky thing is the indictment of former Penn State defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky on 40 counts of sexual abuse against eight children, an indictment that already has led to the ousters of university president Graham Spanier and legendary coach Joe Paterno, even though neither has been charged with a crime; to the indefinite leave imposed upon assistant coach and potential star witness Mike McQueary; and to unrest among students on the school's campus.

Sandusky has pleaded innocent to the charges. Paterno released a statement over the weekend, through his son Jay, that he would not have further comment on the situation.

When Paknis, 49, started investigating the Sandusky thing on the Internet, it hit especially close to home.

In two ways: He is a childhood victim of sexual abuse, and a former assistant coach at Penn State, working on the same staff as Sandusky and McQueary under Paterno.

“I was up until 2 in the morning, getting more and more enraged,” says Paknis, a Massachusetts resident. “But, on the other hand, it made some sense to me.”
Paknis is a management and leadership consultant for high-end companies and enterprises, and his unique perspective has inspired him to speak out not only about sexual abuse but also about the abuse and misuse of power at the highest levels of the university and athletic program, which he blames for allowing an abuser to freely operate.

He has done so on a blog entitled “Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely.”

“I’m just tired of all these little fiefdoms popping up everywhere, and people hiding in the back office, surrounded by all their henchmen, and doing the wrong things,” Paknis told NBCSports.com. “It’s got to stop. Someone has to step up. I can’t sit back. I’m doing this to help people.”

It should be made clear that Paknis did not witness any sexual abuse while at Penn State as a graduate assistant coach in 1987 and 1988, before leaving to pursue a master's degree in architecture at the University of Rhode Island. He did, however, see some things that made him queasy, especially in light of his own background, and especially when it came to Sandusky.

“He was always grabbing the players,” Paknis says. “He would get in their space, lean up right against them. I’d also been taught you don’t touch anyone unless you are teaching a technique. Boundaries were clearly an issue. It made me feel awkward, the way he would grab or pinch them.”

That wasn’t all that made him uncomfortable during his short Penn State tenure, which followed a successful playing career on a three-time undefeated state championship high school team before starting at Brown.

Paknis found it “bizarre” that Penn State coaches all showered in the same space, behind a clear Plexiglas perimeter.

“They would talk about plays," he said. "I thought that was maybe old-school or something, so I mentioned that to coaches at other places, and they never did that. That was not for me.”

Paknis also was unnerved by some of his interaction with Sandusky, even though none of it was sexual in nature. They didn’t spend much time together, but they coached different sides of the ball. Still, Paknis recalls that “he would repeatedly come close to me, and say that he hated Joe. He was never unpleasant to me, but I could figure out where that was coming from, so I would back off. I didn’t want to get into it.”

That doesn’t mean Paknis was a fan of Paterno’s, either.
Penn State lockers were arranged alphabetically, so Paterno and Paknis were next to each other. In reality, however, they were worlds apart. Paterno had just won the national championship, and was the reigning "Sports Illustrated" Sportsman of the Year.

“I was youngest guy on the staff, four years younger than McQueary was,” Paknis says. “I was the lowest man on the totem pole.”

At Penn State, he valued his classes, admired much of the staff, liked and respected many of the players.

Paknis didn’t think much of the Penn State power structure, or the man at the top, who “wouldn’t give you time of day unless you were on his level, or have any interaction with you without it serving him.” He saw a system that served as a “kingdom,” designed to serve a single person, without checks or balances. He saw a coach who had been able to produce a constructive output on the field, but “underneath, optimized fear.”

And he saw a community that bought so completely into the image that “he does things the right way,” that his way was rarely questioned.

“Joe is perceived to be a father figure or grandfather figure, and that’s a very hard thing for people to get to that realization, that your dad is bad,” Paknis says.

That’s why Paknis isn’t surprised that many former players have spoken out in sympathy toward Paterno since his firing last Wednesday, referencing all the good work he has done for the program and those who have gone through it: “Their whole image is locked into that. That is the way they define themselves. To let go of that, it’s very difficult.”

That’s also why Paknis isn’t surprised that many Penn State students have rallied to Paterno’s defense as well, even doing so with violence and vandalism:

“I think the students are confused," he says. "They had to act out. They were probably acting out in anger. I’d like to think I wouldn’t have acted that way, that I would have sat back and said, ‘Wow, if he’s getting removed, there’s got to be real substance here.’”

Paknis believes that Paterno followed “what was his MO for all those years,” and that “when it was time to step up and protect the kids, he protected himself.” He also believes that the truth is even worse than what has been reported.

“We know publicly now that he was aware of this when McQueary went to him,” Paknis says.

That, according to the grand jury indictment, was 2002, after McQueary allegedly saw Sandusky raping a 10-year-old boy in a Penn State shower.
Paknis thinks Paterno knew something earlier even than 1999, when Sandusky resigned, one year after one boy — Victim 6 in the indictment — reported an incident to his mother, and it was investigated by university police and the district attorney.

That’s because Paknis came to this simple conclusion during his two years in Happy Valley, a conclusion that doesn’t change after Paterno aged well past the point of the average working person:

“Joe knows everything.”

Feeling personal pain
What Paterno can’t know is the pain that Paknis experienced as a child, the pain that makes these news events feel so personal.

“That’s what kept me up, because I got triggered,” Paknis says. “I figured I had most of my feelings had gone. But we all have a lot of compartments.”

He started cursing Sandusky, and anyone involved. He saw himself.

“He picked on kids who didn’t have a support structure,” Paknis says of Sandusky, who founded the Second Mile charity for at-risk kids only to allegedly prey upon them. “Kids who didn’t have the structure in place to make them feel whole and good.”

As a boy in Madison, N.J., Paknis experienced a family in crisis. His father was around, but not supportive. His mother was dying of cancer.

A male neighbor took advantage, grooming him, then sexually abusing him.

Paknis was 11. He said nothing, knowing that his family respected the neighbor, and believing he wouldn’t be believed. His struggles in school suggested something was wrong, however, so his mother sent him to counseling. Paknis felt comfortable with the counselor and eventually shared his secret.

He never shared it with his mother, who died before he graduated high school. The abuse allegation never got escalated to the legal authorities. His abuser never got exposed, so the loop never got closed, though Paknis was able to confront, threaten and stop him after growing to nearly 200 pounds as an eighth-grader.

“I don’t know what happened to him,” Paknis said. “I pray he did not go on to prey on other people. I’m pretty sure he had other issues. I don’t think he lasted too long.”

Paknis persevered. He pushed forward. He tried to put it behind him, with sports playing a role. But, after his mother passed, he started experiencing chronic sleep disruption. That went on for years until, finally, in 1996, after the birth of he and his wife’s second of three children, he decided he needed more help.

Paknis has been under professional care for the 15 years since. And he has come forward all the way, something he wasn’t ready to do in 1999, when he wrote a letter to his hometown newspaper in response to a Sports Illustrated story about sexual abuse in youth sports — in that letter, he shared the role of sports in “saving his life” without sharing the specific abuse history.

As a consequence of counseling, Paknis says he is a safe place now, a place where he feels free to talk.

Where he feels he can help, even if it requires public speaking.

That’s because he knows that others aren’t.

That’s one of the reasons Paknis is upset about the reaction of some at Penn State to this crisis, and their focus on Paterno as a victim rather than on the kids.

“It will not make it easier,” he says. “Not at all. If survivors are in there, they will just blame themselves more.”

He saves no sympathy for anyone but them.

Not for Sandusky.

Not for anyone in the Penn State power structure top to bottom, even if that means clearing out people Paknis liked, like Tom Bradley, who was promoted to head coach to replace Paterno.

“The first thing you’ve got to do is you’ve got to look at the situation honestly,” Paknis says. “Then you have to separate reality from distortions, or your opinions from facts. Someone has to go in there with a lot of credibility, and start putting the mirror up: This is really what was happening, and the behaviors that were really the result of those type of falsehoods and distortions. How do we bring the world back on that kind of axis, so our behaviors and actions are really reflecting the truth? What kind of checks and balances do we have to put in place so no one gets that type of power again? It’s just a culture. You’ve got to clear it. "

Paknis saves no sympathy for McQueary, who is on indefinite leave and reportedly has received threats. And who, Paknis notes, was promoted within a couple of years of his alleged report to Paterno rather than police.
   
“I hate to throw stones, because I wasn’t there,” Paknis says. “I would like to like think I would have controlled my rage enough not to kill Jerry. But I would have responded in a physical way, with my main objective to protect the young boy. Taken him to police, and left Jerry incapacitated.”
And certainly, he saves none for Paterno, whom he calls a “spin doctor” who believed too much of his own hype.

“It’s sort of an empty reaction,” Paknis says. “Almost like a pitiful reaction. I wish (his ouster) had happened 10 years ago when he first knew about it. I don’t know how much longer he’s going to be here. If it is true, I would have enjoyed seeing him receive a minor, tiny fraction of the pain that was felt by these kids. And that would be plenty. You can add all the infractions in the history of the NCAA, and it wouldn’t add up to the loss of all these boys’ souls.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 14, 2011, 10:46:56 AM
This woman is brilliant, and her take on this is the most concise I've seen:

Quote
When the culture of an organization mandates that it is more important to protect the reputation of a system and those in power than it is to protect the basic human dignity of individuals, you can be certain that shame is systemic, accountability is dead, and that money drives ethics.

http://ordinarycourage.squarespace.com/my-blog/2011/11/14/thoughts-on-penn-state.html

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogustus on November 14, 2011, 11:14:00 AM
This woman is brilliant, and her take on this is the most concise I've seen:

http://ordinarycourage.squarespace.com/my-blog/2011/11/14/thoughts-on-penn-state.html
That quote applies to Penn State, but I can think of some other institutions for which it would also be appropriate.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 14, 2011, 03:27:32 PM
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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 14, 2011, 03:48:17 PM
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If LSU Freak and Notaslibro had a baby, we would be up shit creek.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 14, 2011, 04:28:03 PM
Does anybody here remember this case in Arkansas?  This is an example of how destructive child sex predators are to their victims and community:

http://www.heathstocks.org/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tanny Bogus on November 14, 2011, 04:52:35 PM

I would have reconsidered the abbreviation in this particular instance.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Sauce on November 14, 2011, 07:47:21 PM
Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky tells Bob Costas: 'I shouldn't have showered with those kids


Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football assistant coach indicted on 40 counts related to child sex abuse, will give some of his side of the story at 10 p.m. today on NBC-TV's "Rock Center With Brian Williams.''

According to a report on msnbc.com, Sandusky tells noted NBC Sports reporter Bob Costas in an exclusive phone interview, "I say that I am innocent of those charges."

The msnbc.com report quotes Sandusky as saying he "horsed around" with young boys in the shower after workouts, hugging them and touching their legs "without intent of sexual contact."

Asked by Costas if he was willing to concede that anything he did was wrong, Sandusky reportedly said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

Also, when asked directly by Costas, "Are you a pedophile?" Sandusky responded "No."

In the midstate, the program can be seen on WGAL-8.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html)

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids (http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 14, 2011, 07:59:19 PM
Good God...what a fuck tard.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogggdadi on November 14, 2011, 08:19:34 PM
Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky tells Bob Costas: 'I shouldn't have showered with those kids


Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football assistant coach indicted on 40 counts related to child sex abuse, will give some of his side of the story at 10 p.m. today on NBC-TV's "Rock Center With Brian Williams.''

According to a report on msnbc.com, Sandusky tells noted NBC Sports reporter Bob Costas in an exclusive phone interview, "I say that I am innocent of those charges."

The msnbc.com report quotes Sandusky as saying he "horsed around" with young boys in the shower after workouts, hugging them and touching their legs "without intent of sexual contact."

Asked by Costas if he was willing to concede that anything he did was wrong, Sandusky reportedly said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

Also, when asked directly by Costas, "Are you a pedophile?" Sandusky responded "No."

In the midstate, the program can be seen on WGAL-8.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html)

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids (http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids)

his lawyer should tell him to shut up.  he's gonna wind up being the "pushee" if he keeps this crap up.  Then again, he might want that.  :shocker: &  :stunned:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 14, 2011, 09:01:25 PM
his lawyer should tell him to shut up.  he's gonna wind up being the "pushee" if he keeps this crap up.  Then again, he might want that.  :shocker: &  :stunned:

What do you mean "If he keeps this up"?  He's going to be the bitch irregardless, it's a mute point.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogtired on November 14, 2011, 09:44:41 PM
Does anybody here remember this case in Arkansas?  This is an example of how destructive child sex predators are to their victims and community:

http://www.heathstocks.org/

This happened shortly after I moved to Little Rock. About 3 years ago I met his grandmother Dorothy who was still seriously torn up over it.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on November 14, 2011, 10:19:21 PM
Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky tells Bob Costas: 'I shouldn't have showered with those kids


Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football assistant coach indicted on 40 counts related to child sex abuse, will give some of his side of the story at 10 p.m. today on NBC-TV's "Rock Center With Brian Williams.''

According to a report on msnbc.com, Sandusky tells noted NBC Sports reporter Bob Costas in an exclusive phone interview, "I say that I am innocent of those charges."

The msnbc.com report quotes Sandusky as saying he "horsed around" with young boys in the shower after workouts, hugging them and touching their legs "without intent of sexual contact."

Asked by Costas if he was willing to concede that anything he did was wrong, Sandusky reportedly said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

Also, when asked directly by Costas, "Are you a pedophile?" Sandusky responded "No."

In the midstate, the program can be seen on WGAL-8.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html)

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids (http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids)

Its Michael Jackson all over again.  Except MJ wasnt giving them Jesus Juice to sell them to similarly bent boosters of the program. 

His attorney had to have told him to do this.  There will be a certain number of folks in PA and elsewhere who will hear his denial, "that I didnt fuck them, just horsed around, and touched their legs some" and take that as gospel and sit in front of the courthouse in support of this future "victim" at PA State Pen.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on November 14, 2011, 10:30:48 PM
Put Sandusky in a locked room with a chair and a noose hanging from the rafter and tell him to do what is right.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: clintcommander on November 14, 2011, 10:54:14 PM
Put Sandusky in a locked room with a chair and a noose hanging from the rafter and tell him to do what is right.

Cut that thing down before someone gets hurt?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Sauce on November 14, 2011, 11:08:31 PM
Apparently, ole Red's story has changed a bit from his grand jury testimony...


Penn State's Mike McQueary says he 'didn't just turn and run' when he allegedly witnessed Jerry Sandusky assault

Penn State assistant coach Mike McQueary says he 'did the right thing" when he allegedly saw Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulting a young boy in a locker room shower.

McQueary has been harshly criticized in some quarters since the indictment of Sandusky on 40 counts related sexually abusing boys. According to the grand jury presentment, McQueary said he witnessed the assault in 2002 when he was a graduate assistant. He told the grand jury that he then left to tell his father, and the two men reported what McQueary had seen to head coach Joe Paterno.

But in emails obtained by NBC News, McQueary reportedly wrote: "I did the right thing…you guys know me…the truth is not out there fully…I didn't just turn and run…I made sure it stopped…I had to make quick tough decisions."

Read that full report here.

McQueary has not been charged with a crime. In fact, he is expected to be a key witness for the prosecution. However, it appears he is consulting with an attorney with the Harrisburg law firm Strokoff and Cowden.

McQueary was put on administrative leave after Penn State President Rodney Erickson said it became clear he could not act in the capacity of his job. 

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mike_mcqueary_says_he_didnt_ju.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mike_mcqueary_says_he_didnt_ju.html)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 15, 2011, 12:44:50 AM
Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky tells Bob Costas: 'I shouldn't have showered with those kids


Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football assistant coach indicted on 40 counts related to child sex abuse, will give some of his side of the story at 10 p.m. today on NBC-TV's "Rock Center With Brian Williams.''

According to a report on msnbc.com, Sandusky tells noted NBC Sports reporter Bob Costas in an exclusive phone interview, "I say that I am innocent of those charges."

The msnbc.com report quotes Sandusky as saying he "horsed around" with young boys in the shower after workouts, hugging them and touching their legs "without intent of sexual contact."

Asked by Costas if he was willing to concede that anything he did was wrong, Sandusky reportedly said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

Also, when asked directly by Costas, "Are you a pedophile?" Sandusky responded "No."

In the midstate, the program can be seen on WGAL-8.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html)

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids (http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids)

Shouldn't Chris Hansen have done the interview instead of Costas?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on November 15, 2011, 06:54:48 AM
Former Penn State coach Jerry Sandusky tells Bob Costas: 'I shouldn't have showered with those kids


Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State football assistant coach indicted on 40 counts related to child sex abuse, will give some of his side of the story at 10 p.m. today on NBC-TV's "Rock Center With Brian Williams.''

According to a report on msnbc.com, Sandusky tells noted NBC Sports reporter Bob Costas in an exclusive phone interview, "I say that I am innocent of those charges."

The msnbc.com report quotes Sandusky as saying he "horsed around" with young boys in the shower after workouts, hugging them and touching their legs "without intent of sexual contact."

Asked by Costas if he was willing to concede that anything he did was wrong, Sandusky reportedly said, "I shouldn't have showered with those kids."

Also, when asked directly by Costas, "Are you a pedophile?" Sandusky responded "No."

In the midstate, the program can be seen on WGAL-8.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/former_penn_state_coach_jerry_1.html)

http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids (http://rockcenter.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/14/8804779-jerry-sandusky-to-bob-costas-in-exclusive-rock-center-interview-i-shouldnt-have-showered-with-those-kids)

"...but I didn't inhale."  You know you're fucked when your only defense is 'I was only horsing around in the shower with those 10-year-old boys.'  Horseplay.  In the shower.  With little boys.  Nekkid.  Jeebus Christ.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on November 15, 2011, 07:15:52 AM
"...but I didn't inhale."  You know you're fricked when your only defense is 'I was only horsing around in the shower with those 10-year-old boys.'  Horseplay.  In the shower.  With little boys.  Nekkid.  Jeebus Christ.

This about sums up my thoughts on these new quotes. 

Pretty damning if this interview is what his lawyer is advising him to do.  Its very similar to a flailing jab while falling to the canvas.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jose Papoopoo on November 15, 2011, 08:05:49 AM
This about sums up my thoughts on these new quotes. 

Pretty damning if this interview is what his lawyer is advising him to do.  Its very similar to a flailing jab while falling to the canvas.

Apparently he is. Sandusky's lawyer was on the Today show this morning discussing it after showing some clips from the Costas interview. Maybe his atty thinks there is nothing to lose at this point since the entire world knows he's guilty...
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 15, 2011, 08:15:16 AM
This explains a lot:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK

Sandusky lawyer impregnated teenage girl: report
By TIM PERONE
Last Updated: 9:55 PM, November 14, 2011
Posted: 9:14 PM, November 14, 2011

 

More Print
The lawyer for accused pedophile and former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky reportedly impregnated a teenage girl more than a decade ago.
Joe Amendola, 63, was the attorney for Mary Iavasile’s emancipation petition from Sept. 3, 1996, which was filed just weeks before her 17th birthday, according to Centre County Courthouse documents obtained by iPad newspaper The Daily.
That’s approximately when Iavasile became pregnant with Amendola’s child, her mother, Janet Iavasile, told The Daily.
MORE: SANDUSKY ADMITS SHOWERING WITH YOUNG BOYS, DENIES SEXUAL CONTACT
“At the time, I didn’t know the extent of the relationship,” said Janet.
Amendola seemed more like Mary’s “mentor,” she described the relationship between her teenage daughter and a man in his late 40s.
“She met him through the school district; she was interested in the law,” the mother said.
Amendola and Mary, who is now 32, later married in February 2003, according to court records.
They had a second child around that time but have since split up, Janet said, adding that she now has respect for Amendola.
“Joe is a very good father and has loved his two children very much, and that’s the most important thing for me right now,” she said.
Neither Amendola nor Mary Iavasile returned requests for comment.
Records show that the age of consent in Pennsylvania is 16 years old.


As soon as I think I've seen it all.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 15, 2011, 08:21:46 AM
This about sums up my thoughts on these new quotes. 

Pretty damning if this interview is what his lawyer is advising him to do.  Its very similar to a flailing jab while falling to the canvas.

Just random thoughts:

This interview is damned close to a full confession, the only thing missing is the buttrape.  A surprising number of these pervs truly don't think they've done anything wrong.  There's no way his attorney approved this interview script.  It's got a prosecution exhibit number on it as I type this*, but poor old pervy Jerry probably really thinks he just explained the whole thing away because he self-justified his behavior decades ago. 

He made a very interesting choice for representation.  His attorney knocked up and then married a 17 year old girl..  Happens to high school and college guys all the time, so no big deal except Sandusky's lawyer was almost 50 when he did it. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/sandusky_lawyer_impregnated_teenage_7jKwQMCeBlm9RSdr9zeutK)  If you're charged with diddling kids, having an attorney with firsthand knowledge of the subject isn't a bad idea (I know 16's legal in PA, but 50->16 is just wrong).

I find it very amusing that the defense claims to have found a "victim" that will refute the GA/Shower charge.  The state police (and probably feds in the background) couldn't find him in two years, but the defense finds him in a week?  They either found/hired a kid that loves Paterno and thinks perjury is no big deal or Sandusky gave them a name.  I would bet on the former, but if it is the latter it will probably blow up on the defense in spectacular fashion.

*As part of my job, I regularly capture media interviews done by defendants that are later used in their prosecution.  Wanna get someone to waive their Miranda rights and willingly incriminate themselves?  Just let the local TV station put a camera and mike in their face.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 15, 2011, 08:28:59 AM
There's no way his attorney approved this interview script. 


Paulie Pabst
Costas told us that the interview was supposed to be with Sandusky's attorney and then the attorney suggested getting Sandusky on the phone.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 15, 2011, 09:01:14 AM
Dan Patrick has brought the wood this morning.  You could hear the passion in his voice about this topic.  I think if he saw Sandusky in public he may beat the shit out of him.   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 15, 2011, 09:04:39 AM
Paulie Pabst
Costas told us that the interview was supposed to be with Sandusky's attorney and then the attorney suggested getting Sandusky on the phone.


Bad idea?

(http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001786907/465113929_bad_idea_answer_2_xlarge.jpeg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on November 15, 2011, 09:43:20 AM

McQueary has not been charged with a crime. In fact, he is expected to be a key witness for the prosecution. However, it appears he is consulting with an attorney with the Harrisburg law firm Strokoff and Cowden.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mike_mcqueary_says_he_didnt_ju.html (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/mike_mcqueary_says_he_didnt_ju.html)

I realise this isn't a humorous topic but am I the only one who see's the hilarity in the fact that a lawyer named Strokoff has entered this case.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 15, 2011, 09:57:46 AM
I realise this isn't a humorous topic but am I the only one who see's the hilarity in the fact that a lawyer named Strokoff has entered this case.

Laughing > crying
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LaMoHog on November 15, 2011, 12:45:30 PM
I realise this isn't a humorous topic but am I the only one who see's the hilarity in the fact that a lawyer named Strokoff has entered this case.

I thought the same thing. As if being a flaming ginger isn't bad enough, your last name has to be McQueary. May as well hire a Strokoff.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 15, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
McQueary has not been charged with a crime. In fact, he is expected to be a key witness for the prosecution. However, it appears he is consulting with an attorney with the Harrisburg law firm Strokoff and Cowden.
According to their website (http://www.strokoffandcowden.com/), Strokoff (yeah, I laughed too) and Cohen are "Pennsylvania Employment, Administrative, and Labor Law Attorneys"

Off the field for his own protection my arse, Ginger got fired too (which is what should have happened).
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 15, 2011, 03:12:24 PM
I am concerned that Sandusky may get off...................again.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Mutual of Omahog on November 15, 2011, 04:01:23 PM
According to their website (http://www.strokoffandcowden.com/), Strokoff (yeah, I laughed too) and Cohen are "Pennsylvania Employment, Administrative, and Labor Law Attorneys"

Off the field for his own protection my arse, Ginger got fired too (which is what should have happened).
What a tragic and comical choice of attorney.  Who are the others, McLuvin?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: chittlins on November 15, 2011, 04:10:57 PM
Does anybody here remember this case in Arkansas?  This is an example of how destructive child sex predators are to their victims and community:

http://www.heathstocks.org/

Google Rob Jennings Convicted Marked Tree. I was friends with a couple of those boys and would have played along side a couple of his victims if I hadn't moved to Memphis. Sumbitch was my 7th grade history teacher and was always bugging me and my brother to transfer back to play at the Treetop. Now, want me to name off some of the other coaches that worked there that had to have some clue that's still out there coaching?  He got only 8 years from the feds for taking one to Memphis and only 6 years from Arkansas for four counts that ran concurrently. Swell. That was a major mess back home.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 15, 2011, 04:36:59 PM
McQueary speaks tonight on cbs
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 15, 2011, 05:08:36 PM
My concern is, the more he talks up how he engaged Sandusky, how he entervened and should be thought of as a good guy, the farther he is going to stray from the grand jury report of what went on, and therefore the more it is going to look like he keeps telling different versions of the story and it is going to muddy the water, i.e. screw up his credibility.

In other words, instead of sticking to one version and looking bad but at least being a credible witness for the prosecution in the courtroom, instead he is going to try to rehab his rep in the courtroom of public opinion and end up screwing up the prosecution of the criminal charges.

We'll see.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 15, 2011, 05:42:41 PM
My concern is, the more he talks up how he engaged Sandusky, how he entervened and should be thought of as a good guy, the farther he is going to stray from the grand jury report of what went on, and therefore the more it is going to look like he keeps telling different versions of the story and it is going to muddy the water, i.e. screw up his credibility.

In other words, instead of sticking to one version and looking bad but at least being a credible witness for the prosecution in the courtroom, instead he is going to try to rehab his rep in the courtroom of public opinion and end up screwing up the prosecution of the criminal charges.

We'll see.

Is this guy considered friendly to the prosecutor?  If so I would assume the prosecutor is schooling him on what not to say. (which is anything)

I'm afraid he may come out and downplay what he actually saw to make himself look better.  Isn't this the only hard evidence they have on Sandusky?

Do you think they already have Sandusky's computers and was he too old to even use computers?  I would think since he knows all about young kids that he would stay up to date on those things.  I bet you there is kitty pron on his pc's.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shithead on November 15, 2011, 07:23:35 PM
Do you think they already have Sandusky's computers and was he too old to even use computers?  I would think since he knows all about young kids that he would stay up to date on those things.  I bet you there is kitty pron on his pc's.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razordoc on November 15, 2011, 08:03:15 PM
My concern is, the more he talks up how he engaged Sandusky, how he intervened and should be thought of as a good guy, the farther he is going to stray from the grand jury report of what went on, and therefore the more it is going to look like he keeps telling different versions of the story and it is going to muddy the water, i.e. screw up his credibility.

In other words, instead of sticking to one version and looking bad but at least being a credible witness for the prosecution in the courtroom, instead he is going to try to rehab his rep in the courtroom of public opinion and end up screwing up the prosecution of the criminal charges.

We'll see.

Ginger is of minimal relevance.  As this fricker plays out, many of those kids listed as victims in the indictment, probably not all, for UNDERSTANDABLE reason, now adults, will come forward to testify, as painful as it may be.  Think about it for a minute.  If you're sitting on that jury, who do you believe?  7-8-9-10 men who testify in support of the allegations in the grand jury indictment, evidence accumulated over years of investigation, or fricktard pedodusky?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on November 15, 2011, 08:15:32 PM
And remember, Sandy is a friend of Ginger's dad.  A changing story favorable to Sandy may make him appear even more guilty, and Ginger less sympathetic.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on November 15, 2011, 11:54:48 PM
Joe Amendola, 63, was the attorney for Mary Iavasile’s emancipation petition from Sept. 3, 1996

Was Mary a slave or something?   :abe:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on November 16, 2011, 05:08:41 AM
Was Mary a slave or something?   :abe:

That's what her groomer apparently convinced her of.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 16, 2011, 08:54:02 AM
Is this guy considered friendly to the prosecutor?  If so I would assume the prosecutor is schooling him on what not to say. (which is anything)

You can only do this to a limited extent.  If you get too involved in trying to direct him, the defense will assert that his entire testimony was coached by the prosecution.  The best thing for the state is for their witnesses to simply not say anything to anyone.  I imagine they're less than thrilled with the e-mail but he could have simply said 'I did a lot more, wait for the trial and you'll hear everything'.

I'm afraid he may come out and downplay what he actually saw to make himself look better.  Isn't this the only hard evidence they have on Sandusky?

Do you think they already have Sandusky's computers and was he too old to even use computers?  I would think since he knows all about young kids that he would stay up to date on those things.  I bet you there is kitty pron on his pc's.

If he goes very far from his GJ testimony, he opens himself up to a perjury charge.  As far as the computer goes, I hope they served search warrants on them a long time ago (apparently locals have known about the investigation for some time) but there might not be kiddie porn on them.  It sounds odd, but not all kiddie diddlers do the kiddie porn thing - and not all kiddie porn freaks go so far as to actually molest kids. 

Was Mary a slave or something?   :abe:

Nice.  ;D 

That part of the lawyer story flew totally over my head until your post.  In most states, sexual relationships between attorneys and their clients is taboo.  I wonder if he faced sanctions from the state bar?

On the other hand, he's apparently a skilled attorney.  It was an emancipation case and knocking her up guaranteed that she would be emancipated.   ;D
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 16, 2011, 09:25:35 AM
It was an emancipation case and knocking her up guaranteed that she would be emancipated.   ;D

Transferring control from one set of assholes to another ≠ emancipation

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 16, 2011, 09:27:21 AM
JoePa's statue coming down over thanksgiving.

I bet some shit is REALLY about to fly.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bar_hog on November 16, 2011, 09:31:21 AM
did you hear that paterno had transferred title to his house to his wife for $1 about 4 months ago?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on November 16, 2011, 09:35:13 AM
Transferring control from one set of assholes to another ≠ emancipation

If ever there was a need for this:  :abe:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 16, 2011, 09:40:17 AM
JoePa's statue coming down over thanksgiving.

I bet some aMm is REALLY about to fly.

Link?

If they are taking down his statue, then things are about to get very, very ugly.

It sure would make it look like there's a lot more out there.....
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: One Quarter on November 16, 2011, 09:45:02 AM
Link?

Looks like it's coming from Gregg Doyel:

"Last update: PSU professors have told students it's a done deal: Paterno statue going down over Thanksgiving"

"I have 2 students telling me they were told by PSU profs that Joe Pa statue will go down. Is that "news"? No. It's me, relating what I heard"

http://twitter.com/#!/greggdoyelcbs
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 16, 2011, 09:52:56 AM
McQueary says in e-mail he stopped assault

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Penn State wide receivers coach Mike McQueary told a friend from the university in an e-mail that he made sure a locker-room shower assault on a young boy by then-assistant coach Jerry Sandusky he witnessed in 2002 was stopped and he went to the police about it.
    The friend made Mc-Queary’s e-mail, written Nov. 8, available to The Associated Press on Tuesday on the condition he not be identified.
    McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday’s 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: “I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police .... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds ... trust me.”
    Added McQueary: “Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions.”
    According to a grand jury report, McQueary testified he spoke to his father and then to Coach Joe Paterno before speaking to Athletic Director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz, who oversaw campus police.



So basically he lied either to his friend or to the grand jury. You would almost think he's trying to destroy his credibility as a witness.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 16, 2011, 10:50:45 AM
McQueary says in e-mail he stopped assault

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — Penn State wide receivers coach Mike McQueary told a friend from the university in an e-mail that he made sure a locker-room shower assault on a young boy by then-assistant coach Jerry Sandusky he witnessed in 2002 was stopped and he went to the police about it.
    The friend made Mc-Queary’s e-mail, written Nov. 8, available to The Associated Press on Tuesday on the condition he not be identified.
    McQueary, who has been placed on administrative leave and did not coach in Saturday’s 17-14 loss to Nebraska, wrote: “I did stop it, not physically ... but made sure it was stopped when I left that locker room ... I did have discussions with police and with the official at the university in charge of police .... no one can imagine my thoughts or wants to be in my shoes for those 30-45 seconds ... trust me.”
    Added McQueary: “Do with this what you want ... but I am getting hammered for handling this the right way ... or what I thought at the time was right ... I had to make tough impacting quick decisions.”
    According to a grand jury report, McQueary testified he spoke to his father and then to Coach Joe Paterno before speaking to Athletic Director Tim Curley and senior vice president Gary Schultz, who oversaw campus police.



So basically he lied either to his friend or to the grand jury. You would almost think he's trying to destroy his credibility as a witness.

From what I heard on NPR last night, the 23 page report from the Grand Jury is just a summary and did not have his full testimony. According to the guy that writes for PennLife, McQueary told the Grand Jury he did stop the rape and he did talk to police. He did not just walk away and talk to his dad.

 I am not saying he is free of any wrong doing, but there is more to the story than what we heard last week.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: boomer_sooie on November 16, 2011, 10:57:14 AM
Maybe Hooty really does belong up there.

While every other commonwealth agency is subject to Pennsylvania's open records law, Penn State is exempt, making it difficult to get information about who knew what and when regarding the sex abuse claims.

Penn State and three other schools that receive state funds don't fall under Pennsylvania's Right to Know Law, according to Terry Mutchler, the executive director of the state's Office of Open Records.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/16/us/pennsylvania-sandusky-case/index.html

did you hear that paterno had transferred title to his house to his wife for $1 about 4 months ago?

The guy is pretty old. If the house was only in his name and not in joint tenancy with his wife, then it wouldn't be that surprising.


Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hognarok on November 16, 2011, 11:49:27 AM
From what I heard on NPR last night, the 23 page report from the Grand Jury is just a summary and did not have his full testimony. According to the guy that writes for PennLife, McQueary told the Grand Jury he did stop the rape and he did talk to police. He did not just walk away and talk to his dad.

 I am not saying he is free of any wrong doing, but there is more to the story than what we heard last week.

He is far from being cleared of any wrong doing.  If anything, his continued employment and promotion by the Ped State football program screams cover-up. 

Why when nothing ultimately came of his report to the police did he not raise hell with the local media and failing that, the national media?  He had seen a young boy being sexually molested in the showers of the football program and he continued to see the same guy that violated the boy on campus with other young boys for the next 9 years and didn't do anything about it.  What's that, Joe Pa?  Promotion you say?  What anal rape? I aint seen no anal rape!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on November 16, 2011, 11:59:55 AM
He is far from being cleared of any wrong doing.  If anything, his continued employment and promotion by the Ped State football program screams cover-up. 

Why when nothing ultimately came of his report to the police did he not raise Starkville with the local media and failing that, the national media?  He had seen a young boy being sexually molested in the showers of the football program and he continued to see the same guy that violated the boy on campus with other young boys for the next 9 years and didn't do anything about it.  What's that, Joe Pa?  Promotion you say?  What anal rape? I aint seen no anal rape!

I totally agree. His promotions and Sandusky still being on campus with boys reak of cover up. Like I said, he is not free of any wrong doing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 16, 2011, 12:02:25 PM
He is far from being cleared of any wrong doing.  If anything, his continued employment and promotion by the Ped State football program screams cover-up. 

Why when nothing ultimately came of his report to the police did he not raise hell with the local media and failing that, the national media?  He had seen a young boy being sexually molested in the showers of the football program and he continued to see the same guy that violated the boy on campus with other young boys for the next 9 years and didn't do anything about it.  What's that, Joe Pa?  Promotion you say?  What anal rape? I aint seen no anal rape!

Yeah, and 4 weeks AFTER he broke up this sick fuck butthammering a 10 year old...he played in Sandusky's charity golf tournament...with Sandusky.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogggdadi on November 16, 2011, 12:10:07 PM
I would have a difficult time working in a situation where that was condoned.  I can tell you for sure that I would definitely have a hard time now with it.  Something like that can bring the whole program down, as we can all see.  If I were Mcqueery, I would have been looking for another university to be a coach at.  Maybe he couldn't do any better than Pennsylvania paw paw though.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 16, 2011, 12:46:38 PM
He is far from being cleared of any wrong doing.  If anything, his continued employment and promotion by the Ped State football program screams cover-up. 

Why when nothing ultimately came of his report to the police did he not raise Starkville with the local media and failing that, the national media?  He had seen a young boy being sexually molested in the showers of the football program and he continued to see the same guy that violated the boy on campus with other young boys for the next 9 years and didn't do anything about it.  What's that, Joe Pa?  Promotion you say?  What anal rape? I aint seen no anal rape!
This is the part I don't get...I'd be much more inclined to believe the ginger's side of the story had he actually left the program and gone elsewhere after realizing nothing was being done.  But he didn't and he continued to be involved on some level with Sandusky.  This won't jive well.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on November 16, 2011, 02:33:51 PM
Paterno statue going down

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Humphrey BOARgart on November 16, 2011, 06:04:02 PM
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-denies-remove-joe-paterno-statue-/1


"Penn State said Wednesday the school has not discussed any plans to remove the statue of former coach Joe Paterno from outside Beaver Stadium."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 16, 2011, 07:36:47 PM
McQueary done stepped in it....deep (or the PD is lying.)

Pa. police: Grad assistant didn't tell us of abuse

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STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) -- Neither campus nor city police received reports from a Penn State graduate assistant who testified to a grand jury that he saw a former defensive coordinator raping a boy in the team showers in 2002, the departments said Wednesday.

State College police Chief Tom King said Mike McQueary didn't make a report to his department about Jerry Sandusky, who's been charged with abusing eight boys over 15 years. Penn State spokeswoman Annemarie Mountz said campus police also didn't have any record of a report filed in 2002 by McQueary.

McQueary wrote in a Nov. 8 email to a friend that he'd talked to police about that allegation, but he didn't specify which police department. The email was made available Tuesday to The Associated Press.

King has been police chief since 1993. State College police did help on a case led by Penn State police into a 1998 allegation, referred to in a 23-page grand jury report on the Sandusky investigation as "Victim 6."

The report said the investigation began after an 11-year-old boy's mother complained that Sandusky had showered with her son in the football facilities.

King said the State College detective who helped on that case forwarded his notes to Penn State police, who then turned the case over to then-Centre Couny District Attorney Ray Gricar. He declined to file charges.

Gricar disappeared in April 2005 and was declared legally dead earlier this year. Investigators have said they don't believe there's a connection between his disappearance and the decision to not charge Sandusky.

"I'm confident that was fully investigated," King said of the 1998 case. "He was very astute in what was needed to bring charges ... and certainly was not afraid to bring charges in a high-profile case."

Otherwise, King said there have been no reports of child sexual abuse made to his department related to Sandusky.

Sandusky has denied charges
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Buffinator on November 16, 2011, 09:17:57 PM
It looks like South Park decided to throw some Penn State jokes into this week's episode.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: wmr on November 16, 2011, 09:25:26 PM
This McQueary character is getting really shitty advice right now.

How hard is it to not perjure yourself when your deposition can be instantly accessed on Twitter, facebook or 10k different news sites?

It would appear that he is a real dumbass.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 17, 2011, 06:23:38 AM
This McQueary character is getting really shitty advice right now.

How hard is it to not perjure yourself when your deposition can be instantly accessed on Twitter, facebook or 10k different news sites?

It would appear that he is a real dumbass.

I don't know that I would call him a dumbass.

Unless the trial brings out many, many things not in the GJ report, the proper title for him is coward.  He was a coward when he walked into that locker room in 2002 and he's still a coward today.  That e-mail is nothing more than an attempt to paint his actions in a different light.  Rather than own up to his decade of mistakes, he's parsing words.

Odds are great Sandusky did stop farking the kid when he saw Ginger.  Even sick Sandusky probably expected to be immediately physically attacked or very shortly confronted by the police.  Since he stopped, Ginger tells his friend I did stop it.  Bullshait.  The VP currently under indictment for perjury was in charge of the campus PD.  Ginger told him, so he tells his friend I did talk to the police.  Bullshait again.

Ginger's simply doing what spineless cowards do.

One final thought.  The e-mail can be used by the defense to attack Ginger's credibility, but the only things that really count are what he says under oath.  There's no perjury issue if is trial testimony matches what he told the GJ.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on November 17, 2011, 08:44:12 AM
Inquiry Grew Into Concerns of a Cover-Up
Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, via Associated Press


By JO BECKER
Published: November 16, 2011


STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — A critical break in the investigation of Jerry Sandusky came via a posting on the Internet: a random mention that a Penn State football coach, years before, might have seen something ugly, but kept silent.

Investigators with the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office had by 2010 already come to the conclusion that Sandusky, the longtime defensive coordinator for Joe Paterno’s Nittany Lions, was a serial molester, according to two people with knowledge of the case. But what had started with a complaint of sexual assault from a high school freshman had grown to include another matter altogether: whether Penn State had acted to cover up Sandusky’s behavior, even crimes.

Working off the brief mention on an Internet forum where people chatted about Penn State athletics, according to the two people with knowledge of the case, investigators narrowed their list of coaches likely to have seen something to Mike McQueary, then an assistant coach and the football program’s recruiting coordinator.

State College is a close-knit community. Word would get around that a Penn State coach had met with investigators. So investigators set up a meeting in an out-of-the-way parking lot, according to those with knowledge of the case.

There, one day a little over a year ago, McQueary unburdened himself, the two people said. He needed little prompting.

He told of a horrific scene he had stumbled upon as a graduate assistant one Friday night in March 2002: a naked boy, about 10, hands pressed against the locker room wall of the Lasch Football Building, being raped by Sandusky. McQueary was explicit and unequivocal, the people said. He had told Paterno, the team’s longtime and widely beloved head coach, about the incident the next day, but he was filled with regret that nothing had happened.

“This had been weighing on him for a very long time, and our guys felt he was relieved to get it off his chest,” one law enforcement official said. “When he had the opportunity to make it right, he told the truth.”

Sandusky, in his first public statement this week, acknowledged that he “horsed around” with boys in the shower but insisted there was no sexual intent.

But for investigators, the identification of McQueary, and the account he would ultimately tell under oath, was pivotal. In the coming months, investigators uncovered other alarming facts.

Officials at the Second Mile, the charity for at-risk children that Sandusky founded and that prosecutors say he used to target victims, reported that several years of the organization’s records were missing and had perhaps been stolen. The missing files, investigators worry, may limit their ability to determine if Sandusky used charity resources — expense accounts, travel, gifts — to recruit new victims, or even buy their silence, according to two people with knowledge of the case.

And in 2002, after McQueary had reported what he had seen to the university’s senior officials, those officials not only never told the police, but they also never even informed the university’s top lawyer. That lawyer, Wendell Courtney, said in an interview this week that he would have been duty bound to report to law enforcement officials any allegations of inappropriate conduct toward children by Sandusky.

Most disturbingly, investigators continued to identify possible victims — young men who had been boys when Sandusky befriended them through his foundation for troubled youngsters.

Those young men were not eager to tell their stories, the two people with knowledge of the case said. The young men were not convinced that the attorney general’s office had the will to go after a case that could rewrite the storied history of the university’s football program. And they asked: If the case went forward, who would believe them over a revered figure like Jerry Sandusky?

It was a question investigators had asked themselves. But with McQueary, they had what they regarded as an impartial witness, and one from within the ranks of Penn State itself.

Accusation, but No Charge

Penn State was shaken by the Nov. 5 arrest of Sandusky, the indictment of two university officials on charges that they had perjured themselves and failed to report Sandusky’s alleged crimes, and the ouster of both Paterno and the university’s president, Graham B. Spanier.

But back in 2009, when the case first landed in the office of the attorney general, no one knew where it would lead. The mother of a Clinton County, Pa., freshman called the local high school to report that her son had been sexually assaulted by Sandusky. Sandusky was barred from the school, where he had served as a volunteer coach, and the matter was reported to the authorities.

The district attorney in Centre County, where Sandusky was alleged to have molested the boy, passed the case on to the attorney general. The district attorney, Michael Madeira, said Wednesday that his wife’s biological brother had been adopted by Sandusky years before.

The Clinton County teenager — Victim 1, as he would become known in the grand jury report made public this month — alleged that he first met Sandusky through the Second Mile when he was 11 or 12. Sandusky had indecently fondled him and performed oral sex on him, the boy said.

But prosecutors, lacking physical evidence of an assault, worried about the fortunes of a case that might end up with little more than competing claims — by the boy and by Sandusky.

“You can charge it, but getting a conviction is going to be difficult,” said one person with direct knowledge of the deliberations among prosecutors. “And getting a conviction in State College against someone of Jerry Sandusky’s stature is going to be 10 times more difficult.”

To make a charge stick, they concluded, they needed to explore whether one boy’s claims were merely one among others, perhaps many.

Looking in Old Files

The answer to their question, it turned out, lay in a voluminous police report sitting for a dozen years in the old case files of the Penn State University Police. Investigators for the attorney general’s office had heard rumors that Sandusky had come to the attention of law enforcement officials sometime in the past, but they were not sure when or where.

The investigators, according to those with knowledge of the case, began calling around to nearby police departments; they received a hit when they reached the campus police.

In 1998, an 11-year-old boy, now known as Victim 6, had come home with wet hair and told his mother he had showered with Sandusky at Penn State’s athletic complex. She immediately reported it to the university police, the grand jury report said.

As investigators leafed through the old report — it ran close to 100 pages — they came to believe that the campus police officers had truly wanted to make a case against Sandusky, according to people with knowledge of the current investigation. The officers had gone so far as to set up a sting operation in which the boy’s mother called the coach, and, with the police listening in, confronted Sandusky.

According to the grand jury report, he admitted to showering with her son and another boy, said he did not think that his private parts had touched her son, but acknowledged that what he did was wrong. “I wish I were dead,” he said, according to the grand jury’s findings.

Ultimately, the district attorney decided against taking the case to trial, a decision that, years later, the attorney general’s investigators could well understand. According to people with knowledge of the current Sandusky case, the district attorney’s decision in 1998 was a close call, even with the evidence the campus police had.

But what most struck the investigators, according to people with knowledge of the current case, was that the university itself seemed to have done nothing in the wake of the police investigation. Whether that was because other senior officials at Penn State did not know of the investigation or because they knew of it, but chose to do nothing, is a central question for investigators today.

Prosecutors have said that Gary Schultz, the university official charged with overseeing the campus police, said under oath that he recalled being aware of some kind of incident involving Sandusky and a boy showering together, and the subsequent investigation.

Others, including the university president, said they were not told about it.

Courtney, who served as Penn State’s general counsel at the time and whose job it was to advise and protect the university in such situations, said in an interview this week that while he might have been given a customary heads-up that Sandusky, a university employee, was under investigation, he was never given any details or even general information about its nature.

Paterno, through his son Scott, also said he did not know of the 1998 sex crime investigation of Sandusky, who was then his most prominent and accomplished assistant.

Investigators over the last week have made clear that they have serious doubts about whether so few people in senior positions of responsibility came to know of the 1998 investigation.

“You have to understand those statements in context — there is nothing that happens at State College that Joe Paterno doesn’t know, or that Graham Spanier doesn’t know,” one person involved in the investigation said. “Whether or not a criminal case went forward, there were ample grounds for an administrative inquiry into this matter. I have no evidence that was ever done. And if indeed that report was never passed up, it makes you wonder why not.”

A Profile Emerges

With the discovery of the 1998 report, the investigation took on a greater sense of urgency, those involved in the case said. Investigators now had evidence that Sandusky might have molested at least two boys.

According to people involved in the case, Sandusky was never placed under extensive surveillance. Instead, they began poring over the records of Sandusky’s charity, the Second Mile, and interviewing people who had been through the program.

As additional suspected victims were located, a profile began to emerge, according to people with knowledge of the investigation. Sandusky engaged in what experts on child predators call “grooming” behavior, law enforcement officials asserted this month, making his first approach when children were 8 to 12 years old. He tended to choose white boys from homes where there was no father or some difficulty in the family, investigators said, and he drew them in with trips to games and expensive gifts like computers.

Touching progressed incrementally, investigators said. “Lots of them reported that he’d first put his hand of their thigh while driving,” one person involved in the inquiry recalled. The shower was where he most often initiated more overtly sexual behavior. The testimony of one victim who said he was forced to put his hand on Sandusky’s erection when he was 8 to 10 years old particularly outraged investigators. “The poor kid was too young to even understand what an erection was,” one said.

When first approached about testifying before the grand jury, many did not want to get involved, the people involved in the case said. If Sandusky was indicted and the case went to trial, their names and what had happened would become public.

But prosecutors were able to compel their testimony with grand jury subpoenas, and one boy led to another.

Meanwhile, investigators served numerous subpoenas on the Second Mile, according to people with knowledge of the inquiry. Not only did they want the names of children who had been through the program, they also demanded all of Sandusky’s travel and expense records.

Much of the older paperwork was stored at an off-site records facility. The travel and expense records, for instance, had been sent over several years earlier. But select members of the charity’s board of directors were alarmed to learn recently that when the records facility went to retrieve them, some of those records — from about 2000 to 2003 — were missing.

The attorney general’s office was notified of the missing files, people with knowledge of the case said. Subsequently, the foundation located apparently misfiled records from one of the years, but the rest seem to have disappeared.

Lynne M. Abraham, a lawyer for Second Mile, did not return a call requesting comment. A spokesman for the attorney general declined to comment, citing the continuing grand jury investigation.

“It could be that they are just lost, but under the circumstances it is suspicious,” one law enforcement official involved in the case said of the missing files.

Some investigators said they were convinced that the idea that Sandusky had an inappropriate interest in, and relationships with, young boys was a fairly widely held suspicion around and even outside Penn State’s football program over the years.

“This was not the secret that they are trying to make out now,” one person involved in the inquiry said. “I know there were a number of college coaches that had heard the rumors. If all these people knew about it, how could Sandusky’s superiors not know?”

In fact, according to McQueary, at least a few did.

McQueary’s Revelations

When McQueary met with investigators last year, he immediately told them that he had witnessed Sandusky raping the boy in the showers on a Friday night in 2002 and then had gone home and talked to his father about what he should do. Together, they decided he needed to tell Paterno. Before becoming a graduate assistant, McQueary had played for Paterno. The coach was a mentor, and a friend.

Still, for years, McQueary questioned why nothing more was done. Under the law, McQueary was obligated only to tell a superior at the university. It is the duty of university administrators to inform the police. Besides, as one investigator put it, “on that campus, telling Joe Paterno is like telling God.”

Paterno, by his own account to the grand jury, met with Tim Curley, the university’s athletic director the next day and told him of McQueary’s account, saying the assistant had seen Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

McQueary, who by then had been elevated from graduate assistant to an assistant coach and recruiting coordinator, laid out for investigators what happened next. It took a week and half, a time lapse that investigators find deeply troubling, for Curley and Schultz to call him to a meeting. McQueary told investigators, and later the grand jury, that he had explained to the two men in graphic detail what he had witnessed.

Curley and Schultz gave different accounts to the grand jury of what transpired in that meeting. Curley said McQueary saw “inappropriate conduct” that he termed “horsing around” between Sandusky and the child, and Schultz said he had “the impression that Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy’s genitals while wrestling.”

In either event, no one notified the police. And once again, before deciding what to do, no one consulted the university’s lawyer, according to Courtney, Penn State’s general counsel. Courtney was called in to advise Second Mile’s board of directors in 2009 after Sandusky informed it of the Clinton County freshman’s accusations, but Courtney said that was the first he had heard of Sandusky’s alleged inappropriate behavior.

But other than that, “at no time, whether in 1998 or in 2002 or any other point in time, was I made aware or did I have knowledge of Jerry Sandusky engaging in sexual misconduct with young children,” Courtney said. “Had I had any idea that there was even remotely improper conduct with children on any day since the beginning of time, nothing in the world would have kept me from being absolutely certain that it was reported to the police immediately. That is my duty.”

Instead, Curley and Schultz reported back to McQueary that they had decided to take away Sandusky’s keys to the locker room, bar him from bringing children to the football building and report the incident to Second Mile, according to the grand jury’s findings. Spanier, the university president, testified that he approved the plan, but that he had never been told Sandusky’s misconduct was sexual in nature.

A spokeswoman for the lawyers for Curley and Schultz said it would be “inappropriate for the defense to comment on the substance of the grand jury report.”

Spanier did not return calls requesting comment.

Courtney, for his part, said he was “as horrified and appalled and sickened and disgusted as everyone else was” when he read the grand jury report and realized the extent of the crimes of which Sandusky was accused.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=2&ref=sports&pagewanted=all
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Reaganite on November 17, 2011, 10:42:26 AM
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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 17, 2011, 10:59:22 AM
Inquiry Grew Into Concerns of a Cover-Up
Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General, via Associated Press


By JO BECKER
Published: November 16, 2011


STATE COLLEGE, Pa. — A critical break in the investigation of Jerry Sandusky came via a posting on the Internet: a random mention that a Penn State football coach, years before, might have seen something ugly, but kept silent.

Investigators with the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office had by 2010 already come to the conclusion that Sandusky, the longtime defensive coordinator for Joe Paterno’s Nittany Lions, was a serial molester, according to two people with knowledge of the case. But what had started with a complaint of sexual assault from a high school freshman had grown to include another matter altogether: whether Penn State had acted to cover up Sandusky’s behavior, even crimes.

Working off the brief mention on an Internet forum where people chatted about Penn State athletics, according to the two people with knowledge of the case, investigators narrowed their list of coaches likely to have seen something to Mike McQueary, then an assistant coach and the football program’s recruiting coordinator.

State College is a close-knit community. Word would get around that a Penn State coach had met with investigators. So investigators set up a meeting in an out-of-the-way parking lot, according to those with knowledge of the case.

There, one day a little over a year ago, McQueary unburdened himself, the two people said. He needed little prompting.

He told of a horrific scene he had stumbled upon as a graduate assistant one Friday night in March 2002: a naked boy, about 10, hands pressed against the locker room wall of the Lasch Football Building, being raped by Sandusky. McQueary was explicit and unequivocal, the people said. He had told Paterno, the team’s longtime and widely beloved head coach, about the incident the next day, but he was filled with regret that nothing had happened.

“This had been weighing on him for a very long time, and our guys felt he was relieved to get it off his chest,” one law enforcement official said. “When he had the opportunity to make it right, he told the truth.”

Sandusky, in his first public statement this week, acknowledged that he “horsed around” with boys in the shower but insisted there was no sexual intent.

But for investigators, the identification of McQueary, and the account he would ultimately tell under oath, was pivotal. In the coming months, investigators uncovered other alarming facts.

Officials at the Second Mile, the charity for at-risk children that Sandusky founded and that prosecutors say he used to target victims, reported that several years of the organization’s records were missing and had perhaps been stolen. The missing files, investigators worry, may limit their ability to determine if Sandusky used charity resources — expense accounts, travel, gifts — to recruit new victims, or even buy their silence, according to two people with knowledge of the case.

And in 2002, after McQueary had reported what he had seen to the university’s senior officials, those officials not only never told the police, but they also never even informed the university’s top lawyer. That lawyer, Wendell Courtney, said in an interview this week that he would have been duty bound to report to law enforcement officials any allegations of inappropriate conduct toward children by Sandusky.

Most disturbingly, investigators continued to identify possible victims — young men who had been boys when Sandusky befriended them through his foundation for troubled youngsters.

Those young men were not eager to tell their stories, the two people with knowledge of the case said. The young men were not convinced that the attorney general’s office had the will to go after a case that could rewrite the storied history of the university’s football program. And they asked: If the case went forward, who would believe them over a revered figure like Jerry Sandusky?

It was a question investigators had asked themselves. But with McQueary, they had what they regarded as an impartial witness, and one from within the ranks of Penn State itself.

Accusation, but No Charge

Penn State was shaken by the Nov. 5 arrest of Sandusky, the indictment of two university officials on charges that they had perjured themselves and failed to report Sandusky’s alleged crimes, and the ouster of both Paterno and the university’s president, Graham B. Spanier.

But back in 2009, when the case first landed in the office of the attorney general, no one knew where it would lead. The mother of a Clinton County, Pa., freshman called the local high school to report that her son had been sexually assaulted by Sandusky. Sandusky was barred from the school, where he had served as a volunteer coach, and the matter was reported to the authorities.

The district attorney in Centre County, where Sandusky was alleged to have molested the boy, passed the case on to the attorney general. The district attorney, Michael Madeira, said Wednesday that his wife’s biological brother had been adopted by Sandusky years before.

The Clinton County teenager — Victim 1, as he would become known in the grand jury report made public this month — alleged that he first met Sandusky through the Second Mile when he was 11 or 12. Sandusky had indecently fondled him and performed oral sex on him, the boy said.

But prosecutors, lacking physical evidence of an assault, worried about the fortunes of a case that might end up with little more than competing claims — by the boy and by Sandusky.

“You can charge it, but getting a conviction is going to be difficult,” said one person with direct knowledge of the deliberations among prosecutors. “And getting a conviction in State College against someone of Jerry Sandusky’s stature is going to be 10 times more difficult.”

To make a charge stick, they concluded, they needed to explore whether one boy’s claims were merely one among others, perhaps many.

Looking in Old Files

The answer to their question, it turned out, lay in a voluminous police report sitting for a dozen years in the old case files of the Penn State University Police. Investigators for the attorney general’s office had heard rumors that Sandusky had come to the attention of law enforcement officials sometime in the past, but they were not sure when or where.

The investigators, according to those with knowledge of the case, began calling around to nearby police departments; they received a hit when they reached the campus police.

In 1998, an 11-year-old boy, now known as Victim 6, had come home with wet hair and told his mother he had showered with Sandusky at Penn State’s athletic complex. She immediately reported it to the university police, the grand jury report said.

As investigators leafed through the old report — it ran close to 100 pages — they came to believe that the campus police officers had truly wanted to make a case against Sandusky, according to people with knowledge of the current investigation. The officers had gone so far as to set up a sting operation in which the boy’s mother called the coach, and, with the police listening in, confronted Sandusky.

According to the grand jury report, he admitted to showering with her son and another boy, said he did not think that his private parts had touched her son, but acknowledged that what he did was wrong. “I wish I were dead,” he said, according to the grand jury’s findings.

Ultimately, the district attorney decided against taking the case to trial, a decision that, years later, the attorney general’s investigators could well understand. According to people with knowledge of the current Sandusky case, the district attorney’s decision in 1998 was a close call, even with the evidence the campus police had.

But what most struck the investigators, according to people with knowledge of the current case, was that the university itself seemed to have done nothing in the wake of the police investigation. Whether that was because other senior officials at Penn State did not know of the investigation or because they knew of it, but chose to do nothing, is a central question for investigators today.

Prosecutors have said that Gary Schultz, the university official charged with overseeing the campus police, said under oath that he recalled being aware of some kind of incident involving Sandusky and a boy showering together, and the subsequent investigation.

Others, including the university president, said they were not told about it.

Courtney, who served as Penn State’s general counsel at the time and whose job it was to advise and protect the university in such situations, said in an interview this week that while he might have been given a customary heads-up that Sandusky, a university employee, was under investigation, he was never given any details or even general information about its nature.

Paterno, through his son Scott, also said he did not know of the 1998 sex crime investigation of Sandusky, who was then his most prominent and accomplished assistant.

Investigators over the last week have made clear that they have serious doubts about whether so few people in senior positions of responsibility came to know of the 1998 investigation.

“You have to understand those statements in context — there is nothing that happens at State College that Joe Paterno doesn’t know, or that Graham Spanier doesn’t know,” one person involved in the investigation said. “Whether or not a criminal case went forward, there were ample grounds for an administrative inquiry into this matter. I have no evidence that was ever done. And if indeed that report was never passed up, it makes you wonder why not.”

A Profile Emerges

With the discovery of the 1998 report, the investigation took on a greater sense of urgency, those involved in the case said. Investigators now had evidence that Sandusky might have molested at least two boys.

According to people involved in the case, Sandusky was never placed under extensive surveillance. Instead, they began poring over the records of Sandusky’s charity, the Second Mile, and interviewing people who had been through the program.

As additional suspected victims were located, a profile began to emerge, according to people with knowledge of the investigation. Sandusky engaged in what experts on child predators call “grooming” behavior, law enforcement officials asserted this month, making his first approach when children were 8 to 12 years old. He tended to choose white boys from homes where there was no father or some difficulty in the family, investigators said, and he drew them in with trips to games and expensive gifts like computers.

Touching progressed incrementally, investigators said. “Lots of them reported that he’d first put his hand of their thigh while driving,” one person involved in the inquiry recalled. The shower was where he most often initiated more overtly sexual behavior. The testimony of one victim who said he was forced to put his hand on Sandusky’s erection when he was 8 to 10 years old particularly outraged investigators. “The poor kid was too young to even understand what an erection was,” one said.

When first approached about testifying before the grand jury, many did not want to get involved, the people involved in the case said. If Sandusky was indicted and the case went to trial, their names and what had happened would become public.

But prosecutors were able to compel their testimony with grand jury subpoenas, and one boy led to another.

Meanwhile, investigators served numerous subpoenas on the Second Mile, according to people with knowledge of the inquiry. Not only did they want the names of children who had been through the program, they also demanded all of Sandusky’s travel and expense records.

Much of the older paperwork was stored at an off-site records facility. The travel and expense records, for instance, had been sent over several years earlier. But select members of the charity’s board of directors were alarmed to learn recently that when the records facility went to retrieve them, some of those records — from about 2000 to 2003 — were missing.

The attorney general’s office was notified of the missing files, people with knowledge of the case said. Subsequently, the foundation located apparently misfiled records from one of the years, but the rest seem to have disappeared.

Lynne M. Abraham, a lawyer for Second Mile, did not return a call requesting comment. A spokesman for the attorney general declined to comment, citing the continuing grand jury investigation.

“It could be that they are just lost, but under the circumstances it is suspicious,” one law enforcement official involved in the case said of the missing files.

Some investigators said they were convinced that the idea that Sandusky had an inappropriate interest in, and relationships with, young boys was a fairly widely held suspicion around and even outside Penn State’s football program over the years.

“This was not the secret that they are trying to make out now,” one person involved in the inquiry said. “I know there were a number of college coaches that had heard the rumors. If all these people knew about it, how could Sandusky’s superiors not know?”

In fact, according to McQueary, at least a few did.

McQueary’s Revelations

When McQueary met with investigators last year, he immediately told them that he had witnessed Sandusky raping the boy in the showers on a Friday night in 2002 and then had gone home and talked to his father about what he should do. Together, they decided he needed to tell Paterno. Before becoming a graduate assistant, McQueary had played for Paterno. The coach was a mentor, and a friend.

Still, for years, McQueary questioned why nothing more was done. Under the law, McQueary was obligated only to tell a superior at the university. It is the duty of university administrators to inform the police. Besides, as one investigator put it, “on that campus, telling Joe Paterno is like telling God.”

Paterno, by his own account to the grand jury, met with Tim Curley, the university’s athletic director the next day and told him of McQueary’s account, saying the assistant had seen Sandusky “fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.”

McQueary, who by then had been elevated from graduate assistant to an assistant coach and recruiting coordinator, laid out for investigators what happened next. It took a week and half, a time lapse that investigators find deeply troubling, for Curley and Schultz to call him to a meeting. McQueary told investigators, and later the grand jury, that he had explained to the two men in graphic detail what he had witnessed.

Curley and Schultz gave different accounts to the grand jury of what transpired in that meeting. Curley said McQueary saw “inappropriate conduct” that he termed “horsing around” between Sandusky and the child, and Schultz said he had “the impression that Sandusky might have inappropriately grabbed the young boy’s genitals while wrestling.”

In either event, no one notified the police. And once again, before deciding what to do, no one consulted the university’s lawyer, according to Courtney, Penn State’s general counsel. Courtney was called in to advise Second Mile’s board of directors in 2009 after Sandusky informed it of the Clinton County freshman’s accusations, but Courtney said that was the first he had heard of Sandusky’s alleged inappropriate behavior.

But other than that, “at no time, whether in 1998 or in 2002 or any other point in time, was I made aware or did I have knowledge of Jerry Sandusky engaging in sexual misconduct with young children,” Courtney said. “Had I had any idea that there was even remotely improper conduct with children on any day since the beginning of time, nothing in the world would have kept me from being absolutely certain that it was reported to the police immediately. That is my duty.”

Instead, Curley and Schultz reported back to McQueary that they had decided to take away Sandusky’s keys to the locker room, bar him from bringing children to the football building and report the incident to Second Mile, according to the grand jury’s findings. Spanier, the university president, testified that he approved the plan, but that he had never been told Sandusky’s misconduct was sexual in nature.

A spokeswoman for the lawyers for Curley and Schultz said it would be “inappropriate for the defense to comment on the substance of the grand jury report.”

Spanier did not return calls requesting comment.

Courtney, for his part, said he was “as horrified and appalled and sickened and disgusted as everyone else was” when he read the grand jury report and realized the extent of the crimes of which Sandusky was accused.


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=2&ref=sports&pagewanted=all
wow.  so why is ginger continuing to tell folks he called and reported it to the police.  and i'd like to know what other big name coaches knew about this but chose to keep it on the DL.  This just keeps getting worse. 

I am however extremely surprised that the university was able to keep this from their own general counsel.  the guy says he had no clue yet these seems like a huge cover up.  How long has this Courtney guy been general counsel for Penn State? 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 17, 2011, 11:18:27 AM
It does seem odd the campus police could generate a 100 page report of an on campus incident involving a current or former university employee and the university's counsel never got a call, especially given the nature of wht was gettng investigated.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 17, 2011, 12:03:32 PM
It does seem odd the campus police could generate a 100 page report of an on campus incident involving a current or former university employee and the university's counsel never got a call, especially given the nature of wht was gettng investigated.
makes no sense whatsoever.  but then again half the shit regarding this whole thing doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me.

Another question I had, yesterday on ESPN the campus police said at no time did McQuery report anything to them on Sandusky incident yet there's a 100 page report.  Are they just saying he didn't directly phone them or they had no knowledge at all of what was going on? 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 17, 2011, 01:10:42 PM
The 100 page police report was generated with regard to Victim 6 and the 1998 incident involving him and Sandusky when the boy came home with wet hair and mom and the cops set up the sting operation.  That was not the 2002 incident witnessed by McQueray.  The latter is the one where the cops say they have no record of a report.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on November 17, 2011, 02:24:16 PM
It looks like South Park decided to throw some Penn State jokes into this week's episode.

I think "some" is an understatement!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 17, 2011, 03:42:16 PM
i'd like to know what other big name coaches knew about this but chose to keep it on the DL.  This just keeps getting worse. 

It is quite possible that they didn't know details, just picked up rumors.  Even more likely, they were getting told he had a touch of the  :rainbow:.  Just a rumor of kiddie diddling or man-lovin' would be enough to keep him off most team's wish list.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Sauce on November 17, 2011, 04:00:17 PM
I think "some" is an understatement!

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/17/2568387/penn-state-south-park-video (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/17/2568387/penn-state-south-park-video)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 18, 2011, 09:54:39 AM
"as many as 350"
per latest reports on the news
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on November 18, 2011, 09:58:06 AM
"as many as 350"
per latest reports on the news
That's a lot of child molesting... :stunned:




 :sick:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 18, 2011, 11:59:45 AM
"as many as 350"
per latest reports on the news

What are you quoting?  What news reports?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 18, 2011, 01:04:51 PM
What are you quoting?  What news reports?

FOX news talking head this morning. They were talking about the school hiring a high powered lawyer/firm. They said many more victims were coming forward and there may be "as many as 350".
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Jose Papoopoo on November 18, 2011, 01:22:57 PM
FOX news talking head this morning. They were talking about the school hiring a high powered lawyer/firm. They said many more victims were coming forward and there may be "as many as 350".

Wow, that sounds like alot even for this piece o' shit. More likely its just people looking to cash in on the impending civil suit. Penn St might as well open the vault and hope there's some left when this is finally over.  Apparently, the FBI is contemplating an investigation now I guess because of taking kids across state lines for child molesting.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: RedRiverHog on November 18, 2011, 01:27:29 PM
Wow, that sounds like alot even for this piece o' shit. More likely its just people looking to cash in on the impending civil suit. Penn St might as well open the vault and hope there's some left when this is finally over.  Apparently, the FBI is contemplating an investigation now I guess because of taking kids across state lines for child molesting.

Yea but we don't know how many pieces of shit there really are and we're talking about a LOT of years.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 18, 2011, 01:34:35 PM
FOX news talking head this morning. They were talking about the school hiring a high powered lawyer/firm. They said many more victims were coming forward and there may be "as many as 350".
I still want to know how the own Universities general counsel never knew any of this was going on under his watch.  Crazy. 

I wonder if any of Sandusky's former foster kids or adopted children will come forth during all this. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogtired on November 18, 2011, 01:54:47 PM
FOX news talking head this morning. They were talking about the school hiring a high powered lawyer/firm. They said many more victims were coming forward and there may be "as many as 350".

Take it from the source.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on November 18, 2011, 02:21:27 PM
NCAA now knocking on the door. The FBI is knocking next. Can't take thr kids across statelines Jerry.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 18, 2011, 02:40:06 PM
NCAA now knocking on the door. The FBI is knocking next. Can't take thr kids across statelines Jerry.

He'll feel right at home:

http://youtu.be/xPcql4FuCK0
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Satch on November 18, 2011, 03:07:35 PM
Jerry was also a scout master in South Park at one point.
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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on November 18, 2011, 03:18:12 PM
Reading that Joe Pa has been diagnosed with a treatable lung cancer. Impeccable timing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GoodbyePorkPieHat on November 18, 2011, 03:27:41 PM
FOX news talking head this morning. They were talking about the school hiring a high powered lawyer/firm. They said many more victims were coming forward and there may be "as many as 350".

Oh, Fox.  I thought you were referring to a news source.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 18, 2011, 03:27:53 PM
Reading that Joe Pa has been diagnosed with a treatable lung cancer. Impeccable timing.

He's probably know about it for a while, just decided to not say anything.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: authorhawgerelli on November 18, 2011, 03:30:18 PM
He's probably know about it for a while, just decided to not say anything.
I guess you already heard the turned JoePa's statue that stands outside the stadium exactly 180 degrees?  He wanted it to look the other way.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on November 18, 2011, 03:31:51 PM
I guess you already heard the turned JoePa's statue that stands outside the stadium exactly 180 degrees?  He wanted it to look the other way.

 :borat:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: OP on November 18, 2011, 04:10:51 PM
He's probably know about it for a while, just decided to not say anything until someone "in his camp" realized he might benefit from sympathy votes in "the court of public opinion."

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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on November 18, 2011, 04:23:47 PM
He's probably know about it for a while, just decided to not say anything.

nah, he just found out. right after you're fired and neck deep in shit is a good time to find out you have cancer IMO.


http://www.5newsonline.com/sports/ktla-joe-paterno-story-penn-state,0,4359160.story

UNIVERSITY PARK, Penn. -- Ousted Penn State football coach Joe Paterno has lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno said in a statement on Friday that his 84-year-old father is undergoing treatment and that "his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery."

"Last weekend my father was diagnosed with a treatable form of lung cancer during a follow-up visit for a bronchial illness," Scott Paterno said in a statement released Friday. "He is currently undergoing treatment and his doctors are optimistic that he will make a full recovery.

"As everyone can appreciate, this is a deeply personal matter for my parents, and we simply ask that his privacy be respected as he proceeds with treatment."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: OP on November 18, 2011, 04:37:33 PM
Quote
"As everyone can appreciate, this is a deeply personal matter for my parents, and we simply ask that his privacy be respected as he proceeds with treatment."[/i]

Yet we released a statement to the press rather than keeping his illness on the down-low.  We are certain you will understand if JoePa is unavailable for any comments in the immediate future.


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Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 18, 2011, 05:47:27 PM
NCAA now knocking on the door. The FBI is knocking next. Can't take thr kids across statelines Jerry.

Hmmm. They may actually be coming with the federal angle to protect him.  State prison is a whole helluva lot worse than federal.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Mike Slive on November 18, 2011, 06:54:02 PM
Reading that Joe Pa has been diagnosed with a treatable lung cancer. Impeccable timing.

Karma Police can do better than that.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: efd840 on November 18, 2011, 09:43:55 PM
Hmmm. They may actually be coming with the federal angle to protect him.  State prison is a whole helluva lot worse than federal.

The facilities may be better, but the sentences aren't. 

There is no parole in the federal system.  You will serve a MINIMUM of 85% of your sentence, with the number usually much higher.  The feds also have pretty strong sentencing standards.

At his age, if he gets a federal case for taking kids across state lines it is a lead pipe guarantee that he will never breathe free air again.  I'm to lazy to google PA sentencing and parole info, so it may be true in their system too but it is a done deal with the feds.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 18, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
The facilities may be better, but the sentences aren't. 

There is no parole in the federal system.  You will serve a MINIMUM of 85% of your sentence, with the number usually much higher.  The feds also have pretty strong sentencing standards.

At his age, if he gets a federal case for taking kids across state lines it is a lead pipe guarantee that he will never breathe free air again.  I'm to lazy to google PA sentencing and parole info, so it may be true in their system too but it is a done deal with the feds.

Let's say it's a given that you are going to prison for a long time for kiddy rape.  Would you rather be in the state or federal pen?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: chosen12005 on November 19, 2011, 04:55:24 AM
nah, he just found out. right after you're fired and neck deep in shit is a good time to find out you have cancer IMO.


http://www.5newsonline.com/sports/ktla-joe-paterno-story-penn-state,0,4359160.story

UNIVERSITY PARK, Penn. -- Ousted Penn State football coach Joe Paterno has lung cancer, according to his son.

Scott Paterno said in a statement on Friday that his 84-year-old father is undergoing treatment and that "his doctors are optimistic he will make a full recovery."

"Last weekend my father was diagnosed with a treatable form of lung cancer during a follow-up visit for a bronchial illness," Scott Paterno said in a statement released Friday. "He is currently undergoing treatment and his doctors are optimistic that he will make a full recovery.

"As everyone can appreciate, this is a deeply personal matter for my parents, and we simply ask that his privacy be respected as he proceeds with treatment."


They fired him... He got Cancer... All that's left to do, is Break Bad.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogCrazy on November 19, 2011, 08:00:30 AM
Yet we released a statement to the press rather than keeping his illness on the down-low.  We are certain you will understand if JoePa is unavailable for any comments in the immediate future.


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They had to try something different. "Bwain Bweeding" had already been used. :'(
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 23, 2011, 09:27:15 AM
This can't be good.  Former VP of student affairs has come forward after being ousted from the university in '07 for butting heads with Paterno when she tried to punish a number of his players for crimes that ranged from bar fights to sexual assault.  Sounds like Joe and the rest of the university were basically doing whatever they wanted and railroading anyone that got in their way for the sake of football.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/23/meet-penn-state-s-new-whistleblower-vicky-triponey.html

Title: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on November 23, 2011, 11:24:05 AM
This can't be good.  Former VP of student affairs has come forward after being ousted from the university in '07 for butting heads with Paterno when she tried to punish a number of his players for crimes that ranged from bar fights to sexual assault.  Sounds like Joe and the rest of the university were basically doing whatever they wanted and railroading anyone that got in their way for the sake of football.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/23/meet-penn-state-s-new-whistleblower-vicky-triponey.html

I don't think that is very surprising.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on November 23, 2011, 11:27:48 AM
This can't be good.  Former VP of student affairs has come forward after being ousted from the university in '07 for butting heads with Paterno when she tried to punish a number of his players for crimes that ranged from bar fights to sexual assault.  Sounds like Joe and the rest of the university were basically doing whatever they wanted and railroading anyone that got in their way for the sake of football.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/11/23/meet-penn-state-s-new-whistleblower-vicky-triponey.html

that is no different that what has happened on every campus where a GOBN is in charge or where football is king.  Frank was guilty of the same thing. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on November 23, 2011, 12:17:45 PM
Likely true about it happening everywhere but it drives home the point that JoePa ran that campus, or at least the athletic department, and makes his claim about kicking news of the rape up the chain of command to his "supervisor" seem even more silly.  He was the man in charge, he was told about it, and he did nothing but kick the can down the road to one of his toadies who wasn't going to do anything without Joe's knowledge and permission.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boar Bidet on November 23, 2011, 01:10:09 PM
looks like 2 more kids have come forward to report abuse.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/23/authorities-probe-2-new-abuse-allegations-against-sandusky-that-involve-current/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: abypfcs on November 23, 2011, 02:15:59 PM
Concerning the 350 possible victims:  The context was that often times in sexual predator cases there can be as many as 350 victims.  It had nothing to do with this particular situation.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: CharlieHog on November 23, 2011, 03:33:14 PM
looks like 2 more kids have come forward to report abuse.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/23/authorities-probe-2-new-abuse-allegations-against-sandusky-that-involve-current/

The attorney for Jerry Sandusky says one of the two new cases of alleged sexual abuse under investigation by Children and Youth Services was made by a family member of Sandusky.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/attorney_jerry_sandusky_family.html
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on November 30, 2011, 08:45:15 AM
@DailyCollegian Penn St purchases .xxx domains to prevent porn sites from using school’s name
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on December 07, 2011, 12:43:49 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/jerry-sandusky-arrested-sex-abuse-charges/story?id=15104944#.Tt-1PvKwW3c
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: CharlieHog on December 07, 2011, 01:26:42 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/victim_9_says_his_cried_for_he.html

The man identified as Victim 9 in the Jerry Sandusky grand jury presentment released this afternoon testified that Sandusky's wife did not respond to his scream for help from the basement of their State College home.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: gambler on December 07, 2011, 01:30:29 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/victim_9_says_his_cried_for_he.html

The man identified as Victim 9 in the Jerry Sandusky grand jury presentment released this afternoon testified that Sandusky's wife did not respond to his scream for help from the basement of their State College home.
Holy shit, this thing just keeps getting worse.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on December 07, 2011, 01:35:20 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/12/victim_9_says_his_cried_for_he.html

The man identified as Victim 9 in the Jerry Sandusky grand jury presentment released this afternoon testified that Sandusky's wife did not respond to his scream for help from the basement of their State College home.

My gosh, it's like an X-Files episode.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on December 07, 2011, 02:14:21 PM
My gosh, it's like an X-Files episode.
Pale, I saw today on the news that a cheerleading coach had been arrested for molesting one of his charges as well. I think that the Sandusky thing is going to empower a LOT of young people to come forward concerning abuse at the hands of coaches of all kinds. The fact that the victims of the Sandusky case have not been maligned in the press or dragged through the mud has to instill a sense of courage that they don't have to keep quiet. It also helps that they obviously feel that they aren't alone in their situation any more. So there is something else good that is coming of this Sandusky mess. I also think that the suicide rate in the coaching profession is about to skyrocket.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Clark on December 07, 2011, 02:18:07 PM
Pale, I saw today on the news that a cheerleading coach had been arrested for molesting one of his charges as well. I think that the Sandusky thing is going to empower a LOT of young people to come forward concerning abuse at the hands of coaches of all kinds. The fact that the victims of the Sandusky case have not been maligned in the press or dragged through the mud has to instill a sense of courage that they don't have to keep quiet. It also helps that they obviously feel that they aren't alone in their situation any more. So there is something else good that is coming of this Sandusky mess. I also think that the suicide rate in the coaching profession is about to skyrocket.
It's probably going to empower a lot of them to come forth with faulty accusations on innocent people that the kid doesn't like.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on December 07, 2011, 02:20:36 PM
It's probably going to empower a lot of them to come forth with faulty accusations on innocent people that the kid doesn't like.

This probably won't become an epidemic until the civil suits start getting won.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 07, 2011, 02:27:39 PM
I don't think after today that Sandusky sees the light of day again.  He has a 1M bond. I don't know if it's the full amount or 100K to get him out.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on December 07, 2011, 02:29:26 PM
I don't think after today that Sandusky sees the light of day again.  He has a 1M bond. I don't know if it's the full amount or 100K to get him out.

I thougt the state asked for 1M but the judge set it at 250k.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: CharlieHog on December 07, 2011, 02:55:06 PM
Update: Jerry Sandusky taken to Pennsylvania county jail after being unable to post $250,000 bail in cash - @AP apne.ws/utATJx
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on December 07, 2011, 02:59:04 PM
It's probably going to empower a lot of them to come forth with faulty accusations on innocent people that the kid doesn't like.
Yeah, I thought about that too...but hopefully if a person isn't guilty of anything and has the documentation to back it up, then there shouldn't be any worry. Fortunately (and sometimes unfortunately) everybody has thier day in court.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on December 07, 2011, 03:06:21 PM
Update: Jerry Sandusky taken to Pennsylvania county jail after being unable to post $250,000 bail in cash - @AP apne.ws/utATJx

His wife ransacked the house but could only find small bills.  And michaels and steves.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shithead on December 07, 2011, 03:10:30 PM
Just curious. How would one "document" that he did, or didn't, rape a kid 10-15 yrs after the fact ?

I'm all for giving a pedophile a Rosie O'Donnell-administered anal violation via barbed wire strap-on, but I see some serious concerns absent a witness or video.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: geohul on December 07, 2011, 03:46:30 PM
"Jerry Sandusky was re-arrested on 12 additional charges of sexual abuse today. He was reportedly dressed in a Penn State track suit at the time of his arrest in State College. While "at least" five more people have come forward with allegations against the former football assistant since the original filing on Nov. 4, the newest charges detailed in an additional grand jury presentment only include charges from two additional victims, "Victim 9" and "Victim 10."
 :stunned:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on December 07, 2011, 03:49:51 PM
Just curious. How would one "document" that he did, or didn't, rape a kid 10-15 yrs after the fact ?

10-15 years?  Try 10-15 days on for size and the problem remains.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: shithead on December 07, 2011, 03:54:38 PM
True dat.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LashHog on December 07, 2011, 04:06:17 PM
Just curious. How would one "document" that he did, or didn't, rape a kid 10-15 yrs after the fact ?

I'm all for giving a pedophile a Rosie O'Donnell-administered anal violation via barbed wire strap-on, but I see some serious concerns absent a witness or video.
He was arrested wearing a track suit...what other proof do you need?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Swiner Bock on December 07, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
He was arrested wearing a track suit...what other proof do you need?

Pinky ring.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on December 07, 2011, 04:08:17 PM
He was arrested wearing a track suit...what other proof do you need?

Well, yeah, I mean there's that.  Shit, didn't even focus on that aspect.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jsimp on December 07, 2011, 04:10:55 PM
He should have considered taking a long trip in his garage with doors closed while he had the chance
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on December 07, 2011, 04:16:56 PM
He was arrested wearing a track suit...what other proof do you need?

Arrested wearing a clown suit?

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on December 07, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
He should have considered taking a long trip in his garage with doors closed while he had the chance

I'm really really shocked he is still alive at this point.

The amount of money that we could be talking about could leave Penn State as a community college by 2016 and all the supposedly more explosive stuff that was hinted at has gone quietly to ground over the last 2 weeks. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Buffinator on December 07, 2011, 04:50:25 PM
His wife ransacked the house but could only find small bills.  And michaels and steves.

 *:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on December 07, 2011, 05:27:48 PM
If I recall right, Victims 9 & 10, especially 10 (the foster kid), were young enough that the statute hasn't run on their claims yet, i.e. their right to file civil suits and the state's right to bring criminal charges.

The reason you may not hear about a ton more victims is that the clock may have run out on a lot of them.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on December 07, 2011, 07:06:55 PM
Arrested wearing a clown suit?

 realstunned

(http://www.death2ur.com/gacypogotheclown.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on December 07, 2011, 07:10:33 PM
I'm really really shocked he is still alive at this point.

The amount of money that we could be talking about could leave Penn State as a community college by 2016 and all the supposedly more explosive stuff that was hinted at has gone quietly to ground over the last 2 weeks.

If the State is interested in the sumbitch actually going to trial, they need to have his ass in protective custody.  He might not make it long in general population.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on December 07, 2011, 08:41:29 PM
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 07, 2011, 09:04:39 PM
realstunned

(http://www.death2ur.com/gacypogotheclown.jpg)

Add a bulldog and you have Skip as a juggalo.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on December 07, 2011, 11:48:20 PM
"Jerry Sandusky was re-arrested on 12 additional charges of sexual abuse today. He was reportedly dressed in a Penn State track suit at the time of his arrest in State College. While "at least" five more people have come forward with allegations against the former football assistant since the original filing on Nov. 4, the newest charges detailed in an additional grand jury presentment only include charges from two additional victims, "Victim 9" and "Victim 10."
 :stunned:

Actually ESPN said it was a PSU wrestling suit.  :stunned:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on December 08, 2011, 12:38:23 AM
Actually ESPN said it was a PSU wrestling suit.  :stunned:

Imagine you're a kid. You're playing along, you get dirty, you spot a locker room shower, you put your little kid hips into the warm clear water... BAM! A fuckin' rapist rips off part of your ass! Your innocence is laying on the ground in little fuckin' pieces! Now I ask ya. Would you give a fuck what kind of pants the son of a bitch who raped you was wearing?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on December 08, 2011, 12:53:06 AM
Imagine you're a kid. You're playing along, you get dirty, you spot a locker room shower, you put your little kid hips into the warm clear water... BAM! A fuckin' rapist rips off part of your ass! Your innocence is laying on the ground in little fuckin' pieces! Now I ask ya. Would you give a fuck what kind of pants the son of a bitch who raped you was wearing?

No the point was the "wrestling around" he did to these kids. That was his M.O.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor-Trac on December 08, 2011, 01:14:58 AM
Imagine you're a kid. You're playing along, you get dirty, you spot a locker room shower, you put your little kid hips into the warm clear water... BAM! A frickin' rapist rips off part of your ass! Your innocence is laying on the ground in little frickin' pieces! Now I ask ya. Would you give a frick what kind of pants the son of a bitch who raped you was wearing?

Marisa Tomei is hotness. Even with a disgusting yankee accent.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on December 08, 2011, 12:23:34 PM
Sandusky released on $250,000 bail. You think this'll be when he ends it?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 08, 2011, 12:43:40 PM
Sandusky released on $250,000 bail. You think this'll be when he ends it?

I don't think he has the balls to end it.  I bet he doesn't even think he did anything wrong.   :suicide:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Gin on December 08, 2011, 06:03:03 PM
Sandusky released on $250,000 bail. You think this'll be when he ends it?
Does he know HDN III yet?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on December 08, 2011, 06:05:32 PM
I bet he doesn't even think he did anything wrong. 

That's it.  He was just horsing around.

Sick motherfucker.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on December 11, 2011, 12:49:04 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-paterno

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)—A source close to the family of Joe Paterno tells The Associated Press the former Penn State coach was admitted to the hospital Sunday after re-fracturing his pelvis following a fall at his home.

The person requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. The person said no surgery was required. Paterno initially injured the pelvis after a player accidentally blindsided him in preseason practice.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on December 11, 2011, 01:36:28 PM
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pennstate-paterno

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP)—A source close to the family of Joe Paterno tells The Associated Press the former Penn State coach was admitted to the hospital Sunday after re-fracturing his pelvis following a fall at his home.

The person requested anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation. The person said no surgery was required. Paterno initially injured the pelvis after a player accidentally blindsided him in preseason practice.
You know...I don't want to be all...whatever, but is this the equivalent of a bweeding bwainstem?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: asshat on December 11, 2011, 01:55:36 PM
You know...I don't want to be all...whatever, but is this the equivalent of a bweeding bwainstem?

If you see him at best buy getting a new home entertainment system you'll know...it is.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on December 11, 2011, 02:02:32 PM
Get your deadpools ready. Joe pa will be lucky to see new years. Mark it
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on December 11, 2011, 02:11:29 PM
Joe pa will be lucky to see new years.

Jerry will be excited.
(http://rwdaily.runnersworld.com/files/2011/01/baby-new-year.jpg)



Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Humphrey BOARgart on December 11, 2011, 03:47:41 PM
Get your deadpools ready. Joe pa will be lucky to see new years. Mark it


http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/11/joe-paterno-fractured-pelvis/


Joe Paterno I Broke My Hip!


Joe Paterno fell and fractured his pelvis yesterday -- this according to a source close to his family.

The 84-year-old former Penn State football coach -- who's currently undergoing chemotherapy treatment for lung cancer -- was admitted to a local hospital after taking the tumble at his home, but will not need surgery.

He is expected to make a full recovery.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: razor5396 on December 11, 2011, 08:18:03 PM
Since Sandusky enjoys raping children in the shower, I have feeling he is going to enjoy the showers in the state pen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFkioxDEKk&feature=related
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 11, 2011, 10:39:54 PM
Since Sandusky enjoys raping children in the shower, I have feeling he is going to enjoy the showers in the state pen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSFkioxDEKk&feature=related

I hate to break it to some of you but he won't be violated in prison by rape anyway.  He will get a shank to the throat, eyes, ears, etc. or any place that a small, sharp, object can penetrate.  They don't rape guys like him, they kill them.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: SoldierSooie on December 11, 2011, 10:57:22 PM
I hate to break it to some of you but he won't be violated in prison by rape anyway.  He will get a shank to the throat, eyes, ears, etc. or any place that a small, sharp, object can penetrate.  They don't rape guys like him, they kill them.

Youve never seen american me.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BigDavis on December 11, 2011, 11:14:14 PM
He is expected to make a full recovery.

Both of my grandmothers who broke bones late in life and had to have surgery we expected to make a full recovery and they both died shortly after... and they weren't taking chemo. I'm betting he won't be alive much longer.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on December 12, 2011, 11:40:49 AM
Youve never seen american me.
I saw it and wished I hadn't. I swear to Christ I had no idea that buggery was so rampant in the Mexican American community. Every time a new scene started in that movie it was capped off by a dude on dude butt fucking. This movie ranks right up there with "Traffic" on the fuckedup-o-meter.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on December 12, 2011, 12:54:41 PM
 realstunned  This guy has been dead on.


SPORTSbyBROOKS
Source close to current PSU Trustee told me they may have to keep Bradley (as coach) b/c 'he knows where bodies are buried'






Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on December 12, 2011, 01:17:03 PM
I saw it and wished I hadn't. I swear to Christ I had no idea that buggery was so rampant in the Mexican American community. Every time a new scene started in that movie it was capped off by a dude on dude butt fricking. This movie ranks right up there with "Traffic" on the fuckedup-o-meter.

See, these are the types of reviews I need to see on Netflix. 

With them, I would have saved many precious hours of my life and presumably some innocence.  When it comes to a gay ass bang party (otherwise known as a Michael Buble concert), I would rather be the ostrich with his head in the sand so I don't hear, see, or even get the mental image.

realstunned  This guy has been dead on.


SPORTSbyBROOKS
Source close to current PSU Trustee told me they may have to keep Bradley (as coach) b/c 'he knows where bodies are buried'




Not sure if the realstunned does this one justice if true.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on December 12, 2011, 05:15:29 PM
....  When it comes to a gay ass bang party ..., I would rather be the ostrich with his head in the sand so I don't hear, see, or even get the mental image.


At such a party, it doesn't sound safe to be the ostrich either.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 13, 2011, 06:27:20 PM
Sandusky's lawyer told a press conference today to call 1-800- REALITY if they believed all this shit.  Problem is, it's a gay sex line.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Jerry-Sandusky-8217-s-lawyer-suggests-calling-a?urn=ncaaf-wp11446



Jerry Sandusky's attorney isn't off to the best start.

Joseph Amendola, who is supposed to be defending the former Penn State defensive coordinator who has been accused of multiple counts of sex abuse against young boys, continues to have foot-in-mouth moments. Tuesday, after Sandusky waived his preliminary hearing to go straight to trial, Amedola held an impromptu news conference on the courthouse steps and announced that anyone who thinks Sandusky is a child molester should call "1-800-REALITY."

    "Anyone who is naive enough to think for a minute that Tim Curley, Joe Paterno and Gary Schultz and, for that matter, Graham Spanier, the university president, were told by Mike McQueary that he observed Jerry Sandusky having anal sex with a 10-year-old-looking kid in a shower at Penn State or Penn State property and their response was to simply tell Jerry Sandusky that, 'Don't go in the shower room any more with kids.' I suggest you dial 1-800-REALITY. Because that makes absolutely no sense."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: conwaykraM on December 14, 2011, 08:13:36 AM
Sandusky's lawyer told a press conference today to call 1-800- REALITY if they believed all this aMm.  Problem is, it's a gay sex line.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Jerry-Sandusky-8217-s-lawyer-suggests-calling-a?urn=ncaaf-wp11446



Jerry Sandusky's attorney isn't off to the best start.

Joseph Amendola, who is supposed to be defending the former Penn State defensive coordinator who has been accused of multiple counts of sex abuse against young boys, continues to have foot-in-mouth moments. Tuesday, after Sandusky waived his preliminary hearing to go straight to trial, Amedola held an impromptu news conference on the courthouse steps and announced that anyone who thinks Sandusky is a child molester should call "1-800-REALITY."

    "Anyone who is naive enough to think for a minute that Tim Curley, Joe Paterno and Gary Schultz and, for that matter, Graham Spanier, the university president, were told by Mike McQueary that he observed Jerry Sandusky having anal sex with a 10-year-old-looking kid in a shower at Penn State or Penn State property and their response was to simply tell Jerry Sandusky that, 'Don't go in the shower room any more with kids.' I suggest you dial 1-800-REALITY. Because that makes absolutely no sense."
- - - -
from a CNN article / December 06, 2011|By the CNN Wire Staff
"The longtime Penn State defensive coordinator has maintained his innocence throughout the investigation -- saying he only "horsed around" with the disadvantaged boys in his care -- and is currently free on $100,000 bail.

On Monday, an attorney who represents some of the alleged victims blasted Sandusky after a recent interview Sandusky gave to The New York Times.

The Times published an extensive interview in which Sandusky attempted to clarify his relationships with young people.

"If I say, 'No, I'm not attracted to young boys,' that's not the truth," he said, according to the story published Saturday. "Because I'm attracted to young people -- boys, girls -- I ..."

His lawyer, who was present at the interview, spoke up at that point to note that Sandusky is "not sexually" attracted to them.

"Right. I enjoy -- that's what I was trying to say -- I enjoy spending time with young people. I enjoy spending time with people," Sandusky continued. "I mean my two favorite groups are the elderly and the young."

Sandusky told the New York Times that his decades of work with troubled youths as part of his charity the Second Mile had been "twisted" by prosecutors.

Attorney Ben Andreozzi represents several of the alleged victims, including the person identified as Victim 4 in the grand jury report that led to Sandusky's indictment.

Read the indictment (PDF) (Warning: graphic content)

"Some of them have seen Mr. Sandusky's interviews, and I think they're appalled. They're appalled by the fact that he can't answer a simple question," Andreozzi said."
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Bright legal minds are putting this all down in the textbook "Representing your clients to the public  . . . What Doesn't  work "
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on December 15, 2011, 03:38:48 PM
Everyone can just calm down now... He was just trying to teach them how to shower properly. Whew! There for a minute I was worried.
http://www.abc27.com/story/16319215/carlise-attorney-hired-by-sandusky (http://www.abc27.com/story/16319215/carlise-attorney-hired-by-sandusky)

:stunned:


 :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Raincrow on December 15, 2011, 03:51:48 PM
Everyone can just calm down now... He was just trying to teach them how to shower properly. Whew! There for a minute I was worried.
http://www.abc27.com/story/16319215/carlise-attorney-hired-by-sandusky (http://www.abc27.com/story/16319215/carlise-attorney-hired-by-sandusky)

:stunned:


 :maundoed:
Didn't Derrick Dooley have to do this at Tennessee also?

You know, the hygiene thing???   


 :stache:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogofWar on December 15, 2011, 04:48:44 PM
Everyone can just calm down now... He was just trying to teach them how to shower properly. Whew! There for a minute I was worried.
http://www.abc27.com/story/16319215/carlise-attorney-hired-by-sandusky (http://www.abc27.com/story/16319215/carlise-attorney-hired-by-sandusky)

:stunned:


 :maundoed:

http://youtu.be/ZO7-QJGVdM4 (http://youtu.be/ZO7-QJGVdM4)

 :hmmm: That might be a credible defense, next to the Chewbacca defense.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on December 16, 2011, 12:49:41 PM
This McQueary guy is a massive liar in every sense.  He allowed a child to continue to be the victim of a rape, he then tried to change his story to all his buddies because of the fallout and now he's trying to bend the account again to come somewhere in the middle and cover his own worthless chicken shit ass while still being somewhat faithful, in a legal sense, to the original and probably valid testimony. 

That guy must have a lot of dirt on a lot of people to even still be on the payroll at this point. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on December 16, 2011, 02:19:01 PM
This McQueary guy is a massive liar in every sense.  He allowed a child to continue to be the victim of a rape, he then tried to change his story to all his buddies because of the fallout and now he's trying to bend the account again to come somewhere in the middle and cover his own worthless chicken shit ass while still being somewhat faithful, in a legal sense, to the original and probably valid testimony. 

That guy must have a lot of dirt on a lot of people to even still be on the payroll at this point.
I thought he had been dismissed as well....
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on December 16, 2011, 04:38:10 PM
I thought he had been dismissed as well....
I think he's on 'administrative leave', which could mean he's still getting a paycheck.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razorback Jedi on December 16, 2011, 07:07:30 PM
cut it off.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on December 17, 2011, 01:13:12 PM
cut it off.
And stick it up Joe Pa's ass.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bronzehog on December 17, 2011, 01:46:17 PM
http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/2011/12/15/espn-the-mags-year-in-sports-cover-is-certainly-provocative-but-not-in-a-good-way-pic/

I didn't think it was real when I read it first, but then I saw it on ESPN.com. Someone didn't think this one out very well.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on December 17, 2011, 02:26:02 PM
http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/2011/12/15/espn-the-mags-year-in-sports-cover-is-certainly-provocative-but-not-in-a-good-way-pic/

I didn't think it was real when I read it first, but then I saw it on ESPN.com. Someone didn't think this one out very well.
At least they got the color of the helmet right.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 17, 2011, 07:23:31 PM
That's just fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on December 18, 2011, 10:16:47 AM
For Better or Worse?!  WTF?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on December 18, 2011, 05:06:20 PM
At such a party, it doesn't sound safe to be the ostrich either.
H3 would love to be the ostrich.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: travark on December 18, 2011, 07:09:10 PM
For Better or Worse?!  WTF?

Yeah, I'm trying to work out the potential improvements that sex abuse has made on sports.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on December 18, 2011, 09:06:00 PM
Actually, it says "sex abuse scandals."  I take that to mean (I haven't read the article) that the publicity surrounding these scandals can have both positive and negative side effects.  On the one have, recent events have brought greater awareness to what creepy behavior exists sometimes and how officials have obviously looked the other way.  Those who let crap like this go on in the future do so at their peril.  That's a good thing.

On the other hand, one can easily imagine in the future that well qualified men otherwise wanting to volunteer as youth sports coaches, Big Brothers, scout leaders, etc., will decide it's not worth messing with for fear that others will suspect he's some sort of creep.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on December 18, 2011, 11:30:38 PM
SPORTSbyBROOKS
Source close to current PSU Trustee told me they may have to keep Bradley (as coach) b/c 'he knows where bodies are buried'


Dear Penn State,

You're doing it wrong.  Trying to keep things under wraps is what got you in this sh!tstorm to begin with.  Wake up already.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on December 19, 2011, 07:31:00 PM
Actually, it says "sex abuse scandals."  I take that to mean (I haven't read the article) that the publicity surrounding these scandals can have both positive and negative side effects.  On the one have, recent events have brought greater awareness to what creepy behavior exists sometimes and how officials have obviously looked the other way.  Those who let crap like this go on in the future do so at their peril.  That's a good thing.

Then they should wait on the outcomes.  If these pedo rapist fucks get a pass, then nothing at all will be good about it.  It's pretty sad that something like this has to happen to make someone think, "Huh, maybe I'd best report that guy felating the 10-year old in the locker room."

On the other hand, one can easily imagine in the future that well qualified men otherwise wanting to volunteer as youth sports coaches, Big Brothers, scout leaders, etc., will decide it's not worth messing with for fear that others will suspect he's some sort of creep.

I can see that easily happening. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 19, 2011, 11:21:31 PM
Then they should wait on the outcomes.  If these pedo rapist fucks get a pass, then nothing at all will be good about it.  It's pretty sad that something like this has to happen to make someone think, "Huh, maybe I'd best report that guy felating the 10-year old in the locker room."

I can see that easily happening.

I don't think it was felating, I think it was feldicking.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: CharlieHog on December 20, 2011, 12:53:21 PM
The Philadelphia Inquirer's top investigative reporter, Nancy Phillips, has written a story containing what we're told are allegations of child molestation against sportswriter Bill Conlin, a longtime columnist at the rival Daily News. Conlin resigned just moments ago, according to a source at the Daily News.

http://deadspin.com/5869737/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GoodbyePorkPieHat on December 20, 2011, 01:07:30 PM
The Philadelphia Inquirer's top investigative reporter, Nancy Phillips, has written a story containing what we're told are allegations of child molestation against sportswriter Bill Conlin, a longtime columnist at the rival Daily News. Conlin resigned just moments ago, according to a source at the Daily News.

http://deadspin.com/5869737/

He always creeped me out on that "Sports Reporters" show, or whatever the fuck it was called.   Almost as much as Lupica did/does.  Hopefully he'll be next. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: gambler on December 20, 2011, 01:53:08 PM
The Philadelphia Inquirer's top investigative reporter, Nancy Phillips, has written a story containing what we're told are allegations of child molestation against sportswriter Bill Conlin, a longtime columnist at the rival Daily News. Conlin resigned just moments ago, according to a source at the Daily News.

http://deadspin.com/5869737/
Never cared for this fucker. He always had a know it all attitude. I really started disliking him when he said he wasn't going to vote Nolan Ryan for the HOF because he didn't vote for anyone on their first ballot. He was making up his own rules. Fuck his fat ass.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Animal on December 20, 2011, 02:04:15 PM
Always figured Conlin to be a goat fucker...but not this. I don't hardly watch Sports Reporters but I don't recall seeing him on in a long while.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 20, 2011, 11:08:41 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/20/jerry-sandusky-nbc-correspondent-arrested-dui/#comments-anchor


An NBC Correspondent was arrested last week after allegedly getting wasted at a party thrown by Jerry Sandusky's lawyer ... TMZ has learned.

The Correspondent -- Jay Gray -- was invited by attorney Joe Amendola to watch the New York Giants game at his house on December 11.  Amendola invited reporters from other media outlets as well, all of whom were vying for an exclusive interview with Sandusky.

One source familiar with the party tells TMZ ... Gray got "really drunk" during the game.  Sometime after midnight, Gray left the party and began driving.  He was stopped by a Pennsylvania State Police officer for a traffic violation, which quickly turned into a DUI stop.   

According to police records obtained by TMZ, "He [Gray] had been drinking and was arrested for DUI."  The time of arrest was 1:45 AM on December 12.

We left messages for Gray but did not hear back.  Ditto Amendola.

NBC had no comment.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on December 27, 2011, 02:23:45 PM
This motherfucker won't learn.  I guess he doesn't have anything to lose.

Jerry Sandusky and his wife are kicking around the idea of doing a major TV interview TOGETHER ... but first, he must decide ... Oprah or Barbara Walters??

Attorney Joe Amendola reportedly told PennLive.com, Jerry and Dottie Sandusky are "considering speaking together publicly after the new year ... either to Oprah Winfrey, '60 Minutes,' 'Rock Center' or Barbara Walters."

It's unclear if anyone has actually made an offer to the Sanduskys ... or if it's simply wishful thinking on the part of Amendola.

This may explain the shindig at Amendola's house earlier this month, when he invited reporters and producers from various outlets to watch a football game.  Amendola held court as all the media types tried to score an interview.  The party ended with an NBC producer getting busted for DUI.

As we previously reported, Dottie has lashed out at the allegations in the past ... claiming the accusers simply MADE UP stories about being abused by the former Penn State assistant football coach.

Attempts to reach Oprah and Babs were unsuccessful.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/27/jerry-sandusky-oprah-barbara-walters/#comments-anchor
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on December 27, 2011, 03:14:38 PM
This motherfricker won't learn.  I guess he doesn't have anything to lose.

Jerry Sandusky and his wife are kicking around the idea of doing a major TV interview TOGETHER ... but first, he must decide ... Oprah or Barbara Walters??

Attorney Joe Amendola reportedly told PennLive.com, Jerry and Dottie Sandusky are "considering speaking together publicly after the new year ... either to Oprah Winfrey, '60 Minutes,' 'Rock Center' or Barbara Walters."

It's unclear if anyone has actually made an offer to the Sanduskys ... or if it's simply wishful thinking on the part of Amendola.

This may explain the shindig at Amendola's house earlier this month, when he invited reporters and producers from various outlets to watch a football game.  Amendola held court as all the media types tried to score an interview.  The party ended with an NBC producer getting busted for DUI.

As we previously reported, Dottie has lashed out at the allegations in the past ... claiming the accusers simply MADE UP stories about being abused by the former Penn State assistant football coach.

Attempts to reach Oprah and Babs were unsuccessful.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/27/jerry-sandusky-oprah-barbara-walters/#comments-anchor

ALL IS WELL!

(http://terencereilly.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/kevin-bacon.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TardMullettDaHawg on January 02, 2012, 02:42:45 AM
This motherfricker won't learn.  I guess he doesn't have anything to lose.

Jerry Sandusky and his wife are kicking around the idea of doing a major TV interview TOGETHER ... but first, he must decide ... Oprah or Barbara Walters??

Attorney Joe Amendola reportedly told PennLive.com, Jerry and Dottie Sandusky are "considering speaking together publicly after the new year ... either to Oprah Winfrey, '60 Minutes,' 'Rock Center' or Barbara Walters."

It's unclear if anyone has actually made an offer to the Sanduskys ... or if it's simply wishful thinking on the part of Amendola.

This may explain the shindig at Amendola's house earlier this month, when he invited reporters and producers from various outlets to watch a football game.  Amendola held court as all the media types tried to score an interview.  The party ended with an NBC producer getting busted for DUI.

As we previously reported, Dottie has lashed out at the allegations in the past ... claiming the accusers simply MADE UP stories about being abused by the former Penn State assistant football coach.

Attempts to reach Oprah and Babs were unsuccessful.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/12/27/jerry-sandusky-oprah-barbara-walters/#comments-anchor

An interview with this guy would probably be more appropriate

(http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/350x0/b/f/bf198_ORIG-to_catch_a_predator.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Trigger7672 on January 03, 2012, 10:34:13 AM
I hate Texas and their fans, but this is great.

http://deadspin.com/5872516/pedobear-showed-up-at-the-houston+penn-state-game-today

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/102812-Shaggy-to-Ticket-City-Bowl-%28UH-v.-Pedo-State%29-FEATURING-PEDO-BEAR-UPATE-It-s-on
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on January 15, 2012, 07:30:59 AM
Reading this makes me realize that Paterno is one of them dudes that's so old, he doesn't know how to work his VCR. If he had as much power at that university, I just can't buy the fact that he didn't know where to go or what to do about it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/joe-paterno-hindsight-wish-had-done-more-235419915.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/joe-paterno-hindsight-wish-had-done-more-235419915.html)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on January 15, 2012, 09:55:01 AM
Every person of significance at Penn State in this deal, AD especially, was a Paterno guy.  They all played for Paterno and they all had to have his blessing for any job there.  Their Board of Trustees couldn't run him out after a decade of mediocrity, even with his obscenely advanced age. 

Paterno was the Pope at Penn State.  He IS the ultimate authority figure there, or was.  His protests of ignorance fall on deaf ears with me. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on January 15, 2012, 10:05:42 AM
Every person of significance at Penn State in this deal, AD especially, was a Paterno guy.  They all played for Paterno and they all had to have his blessing for any job there.  Their Board of Trustees couldn't run him out after a decade of mediocrity, even with his obscenely advanced age. 

Paterno was the Pope at Penn State.  He IS the ultimate authority figure there, or was.  His protests of ignorance fall on deaf ears with me.
  Exactly.  The I didn't know excuses end when you are about 15
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on January 15, 2012, 03:33:32 PM
I think one of the most disturbing things about the whole situation for me (aside from the obvious ones), is how JoePa slept at night. If I even had an inkling that something like that was going on right under my nose, you'd have to strap me down to keep me from telling anyone who'd listen. Tell the police, Joe. Then keep checking on it to make sure something's done.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DLog12 on January 21, 2012, 04:52:22 PM
Per the twatters Paterno has been given his last rites.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boondock Hogs on January 21, 2012, 05:07:13 PM
Per the twatters Paterno has been given his last rites.

Please let this be true.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on January 21, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
Per the twatters Paterno has been given his last rites.

Just was reading this on a blog. If this whole story is true, he may need all the last minute blessings he can get.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor-Trac on January 21, 2012, 05:57:10 PM
Per the twatters Paterno has been given his last rites.

Probably a smokescreen. JoPa ends up with a sweet surround sound system.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Buffinator on January 21, 2012, 06:27:29 PM
I won't say a negative thing about him in what could be his final moments, but I also won't shed a tear when he goes.  Do feel bad for his family who has to deal with the passing of a husband, father, etc....
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: EastArkHog on January 21, 2012, 06:37:03 PM
Says was taken off respirator and probably has only days left

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34494852 (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34494852)

Joe Paterno, the man who for decades was synonymous with the powerhouse Penn State football program, is reportedly in declining health. Onward State, the student-run Penn State website, reported on Saturday that Paterno had been taken off his respirator that morning, according to a source close to the family. Further, a report by Tom McAndrew of Blue White Illustrated indicates that Paterno's extended family has been summoned to the hospital.

If those reports are true, Paterno likely has, at best, a matter of days to live. It may be even shorter than that, as Mike Sisak of the Citizens' Voice in Wilkes-Barre is reporting that Paterno is "near death."

"Over the last few days Joe Paterno has experienced further health complications," said Paterno family spokesman Dan McGinn. "His doctors have now characterized his status as serious. His family will have no comment on the situation and asks that their privacy be respected during this difficult time."

It was only a week ago that Paterno gave his first interview since his November firing at the height of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal. In it, interviewer Sally Jenkins noted that Paterno was wheelchair-bound, wearing a wig, and reduced to whispers due to his battle with lung cancer. Further, Paterno is 85, and most people that age aren't able to begin and win a fight with a disease like lung cancer. Still, Jenkins also noted that Paterno remained sharp, and his familiar tone and personality are evident in the interview snippets that were posted online.



Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on January 21, 2012, 06:38:28 PM
Says was taken off respirator and probably has only days left

http://www.faulknercountybooked.com/taxonomy/term/362 (http://www.faulknercountybooked.com/taxonomy/term/362)

Joe Paterno, the man who for decades was synonymous with the powerhouse Penn State football program, is reportedly in declining health. Onward State, the student-run Penn State website, reported on Saturday that Paterno had been taken off his respirator that morning, according to a source close to the family. Further, a report by Tom McAndrew of Blue White Illustrated indicates that Paterno's extended family has been summoned to the hospital.

If those reports are true, Paterno likely has, at best, a matter of days to live. It may be even shorter than that, as Mike Sisak of the Citizens' Voice in Wilkes-Barre is reporting that Paterno is "near death."

"Over the last few days Joe Paterno has experienced further health complications," said Paterno family spokesman Dan McGinn. "His doctors have now characterized his status as serious. His family will have no comment on the situation and asks that their privacy be respected during this difficult time."

It was only a week ago that Paterno gave his first interview since his November firing at the height of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal. In it, interviewer Sally Jenkins noted that Paterno was wheelchair-bound, wearing a wig, and reduced to whispers due to his battle with lung cancer. Further, Paterno is 85, and most people that age aren't able to begin and win a fight with a disease like lung cancer. Still, Jenkins also noted that Paterno remained sharp, and his familiar tone and personality are evident in the interview snippets that were posted online.




You got all that off the Faulkner County inmate website?

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on January 21, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
Someone on here predicted that he would be gone soon after he broke his pelvis.

Edit: It was Big Davis.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: EastArkHog on January 21, 2012, 06:44:23 PM

You got all that off the Faulkner County inmate website?


quote /fail

fixed now   :suicide:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Boondock Hogs on January 21, 2012, 06:49:25 PM
I won't say a negative thing about him in what could be his final moments, but I also won't shed a tear when he goes.  Do feel bad for his family who has to deal with the passing of a husband, father, etc....

Fuck him!  You cover up the RAPING OF A CHILD and I don't give a fuck how much "good" you have done.  You have a flaw in your chemical makeup when you do something that fucked up.  I hope he dies in massive amounts of pain knowing what a sick fuck he is.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: leftovers on January 21, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
Someone on here predicted that he would be gone soon after he broke his pelvis.

Swahili?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on January 21, 2012, 07:57:16 PM
He gone.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Old Dirty Boarstard on January 21, 2012, 08:08:27 PM
Further proof that those who live for their work aren't long for death after they retire.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/21/joe-paterno-dead-ex-penn-state-football-coach_n_1221289.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on January 21, 2012, 08:09:53 PM
Family now saying he's still alive.


Bernie Lomax situation
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TravelHog on January 21, 2012, 08:11:02 PM
(http://overheardinthesacristy.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/applause.gif?w=460)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on January 21, 2012, 08:12:41 PM
Anybody with Tebow's number want to text and find out the trufe?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Old Dirty Boarstard on January 21, 2012, 08:13:22 PM
Family now saying he's still alive.


(http://checkpointzero.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/not-dead-yet1.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: papermill on January 21, 2012, 08:14:10 PM
NOW that he knows what he needs to beat Bobby Bowden needs to come back to some Podunk U and get the requisite number of cheap wins.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on January 21, 2012, 08:17:26 PM
He dead

https://twitter.com/#!/OnwardState/status/160900889559842817 (https://twitter.com/#!/OnwardState/status/160900889559842817)

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34497800?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001 (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/34497800?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001)

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on January 21, 2012, 08:18:37 PM
He dead.


You text Tebow?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on January 21, 2012, 08:21:21 PM
Yep. That's what People Magazine and Channel 5 say.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20563737,00.html (http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20563737,00.html)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Porkrinds on January 21, 2012, 08:21:43 PM
I'm guessing the family just wants it to be on their terms and to notify all the important people so they don't read about it in the news 1st. He's gone. Fuck him.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on January 21, 2012, 08:40:51 PM
Probably a smokescreen. JoPa ends up with a sweet surround sound system.
Nice. Joe Pa copied Retardo Danny's finest scam, Frick the Wildcat he invented, go with the moneymaker.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on January 21, 2012, 09:26:37 PM
They really need to give him a call and notify him that they are taking away 10 years of his wins while he is on his deathbed.  Let him go out in mental agony as well as physical.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Tanny Bogus on January 21, 2012, 09:41:38 PM
Anybody hearing that Paterno might be ill?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on January 21, 2012, 10:01:04 PM
I guess this is why some older people are scared to retire.  I can't believe how many stories I know where people pass away within months of retiring.
Bear Bryant lasted a month.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Satchuation on January 21, 2012, 10:08:36 PM
Paterno gets the cancer and broken hip after he gets booted out. Then he holes up in a hospital where he suddenly takes a turn for the worse and is now near death, but doesn't die until he can get all the family and friends assembled for a goodbye.

I would totally buy that this is nothing more than a well-orchestrated suicide, to avoid having to answer for his role in the Sandusky deal.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Clark on January 21, 2012, 10:12:36 PM
Independent and over 80, and you break your hip? Start the clock. You're done.

Dependent, alcoholic smoker over 80 and you break your hip? No big deal. You'll live at least another 10.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Nukinhawg on January 21, 2012, 10:55:39 PM
Independent and over 80, and you break your hip? Start the clock. You're done.

Dependent, alcoholic smoker over 80 and you break your hip? No big deal. You'll live at least another 10.
So what you're saying is if I make it to 80 then I'll have to go to the meetings then break my hip and I'll see 90.  What does it take to make 100?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jesus on January 21, 2012, 11:28:19 PM

So what you're saying is if I make it to 80 then I'll have to go to the meetings then break my hip and I'll see 90.  What does it take to make 100?



Don't go to meetings.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Nukinhawg on January 22, 2012, 01:45:04 AM

Don't go to meetings.
But then I'm only a drunk.  Or are you saying after I go to the meetings I can quit therefore going from a drunk, to alcoholic, back to drunk, thereby living to 100?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on January 22, 2012, 07:05:00 AM
But then I'm only a drunk.  Or are you saying after I go to the meetings I can quit therefore going from a drunk, to alcoholic, back to drunk, thereby living to 100?

Dude, he's jesus.  He only speaks in riddles.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Ob Gyn Kenobi on January 22, 2012, 07:37:54 AM
Not to get to off-topic, but the mortality rates for old men from hip fractures-- most likely from osteoporosis -- are really appalling.

You guys 70 and older should remember to get your DEXA scans done.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pigs on Parade on January 22, 2012, 09:26:57 AM
ESPN says he's dead.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Satchuation on January 22, 2012, 09:56:06 AM
ESPN says he's dead.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on January 22, 2012, 09:58:36 AM



 :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on January 22, 2012, 06:28:06 PM
Get your deadpools ready. Joe pa will be lucky to see new years. Mark it

Did you win? Or just get close?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UnderHog on January 22, 2012, 06:30:16 PM
Both of my grandmothers who broke bones late in life and had to have surgery we expected to make a full recovery and they both died shortly after... and they weren't taking chemo. I'm betting he won't be alive much longer.

This was the one I remembered and was looking for.  You called it.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on January 22, 2012, 09:01:12 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe-paterno-dies-in-hospital-doctors-promise-to-te,27125/
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: gambler on January 22, 2012, 09:04:29 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe-paterno-dies-in-hospital-doctors-promise-to-te,27125/
:maundoed:   :thumbup:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: cooter on January 23, 2012, 08:47:12 PM


It's gonna get worse before it gets better.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Too Big Pig on January 23, 2012, 09:27:47 PM
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.



(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_adzm21Xh4YU/SdvdC1OY-PI/AAAAAAAABOg/p5gqdxHpVrs/s400/halo.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Sliver72 on January 24, 2012, 07:42:22 AM
Somebody; I'm not sure who, but SOMEBODY will want to add manslaughter to the charges against Sandicksky...after all, Paterno's blood is on his hands now, right? :stache:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: big_pig on January 24, 2012, 01:13:46 PM
It's gonna get worse before it gets better.



creepy guy in the background.

looks like a fatter, balder, coach K
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Razor B on January 24, 2012, 11:07:15 PM
creepy guy in the background.

looks like a fatter, balder, coach K

That's supposed to be Tony Soprano.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogustus on January 25, 2012, 12:35:10 AM
That's supposed to be Tony Soprano.
Is that a black booger coming out of his nose?
Title: Sandusky trial
Post by: likeupthisramp on June 15, 2012, 12:47:33 PM
After reading about the prosecution's witnesses this week, can you lawyer types see any realistic way he gets off is found not guilty?  I don't see who the defense could put on the stand that could counteract the testimony thus far.

I am shocked that this guy was out on bond.  I am more surprised that either a) he has not been murdered; or b) he has not off'd himself to speed up his trip to hell.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--jerry-sandusky-prosecution-jurors-strong-case-weekend-alleged-victims.html

This is the latest article I saw.  There are earlier articles detailing the other victims testimony.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on June 15, 2012, 12:54:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9q2jNjOPdk
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: likeupthisramp on June 15, 2012, 01:44:50 PM
yeah, yeah....
I thought it was odd that the topic had not been discussed. Sorry.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on June 15, 2012, 02:11:28 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9q2jNjOPdk

 :thumbup: Awesome combo of  :sarcasm: and slapdown. :borat:
Title: Re: Sandusky trial
Post by: Cerdo on June 15, 2012, 02:29:29 PM
After reading about the prosecution's witnesses this week, can you lawyer types see any realistic way he gets off is found not guilty?  I don't see who the defense could put on the stand that could counteract the testimony thus far.

I am shocked that this guy was out on bond.  I am more surprised that either a) he has not been murdered; or b) he has not off'd himself to speed up his trip to Starkville.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--jerry-sandusky-prosecution-jurors-strong-case-weekend-alleged-victims.html

This is the latest article I saw.  There are earlier articles detailing the other victims testimony.

The negligence that is on display here is, I think, the one benefit of this trial being held.  It is mind blowing to watch how many times people were alerted and tip offed over a period of years and nothing done. 

I live in a college town and I'm sure we have as many hack reporters, just killing time and drawing a paycheck, in this town as the freaking state capitol does.  I'm assuming this town in PA is much as Fayetteville. 

If I were a reporter's family, I'd be questioning my own relative as to why they were all so blind to this stuff happening right under their noses or more likely, why they were ignoring the rumors that HAD to be out there. 
Title: Re: Sandusky trial
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on June 15, 2012, 03:22:26 PM
The negligence that is on display here is, I think, the one benefit of this trial being held.  It is mind blowing to watch how many times people were alerted and tip offed over a period of years and nothing done. 

I live in a college town and I'm sure we have as many hack reporters, just killing time and drawing a paycheck, in this town as the freaking state capitol does.  I'm assuming this town in PA is much as Fayetteville. 

If I were a reporter's family, I'd be questioning my own relative as to why they were all so blind to this stuff happening right under their noses or more likely, why they were ignoring the rumors that HAD to be out there.

Ever hear of the "Sandusky Blitz" at the Penn State Creamery? It was pretty open knowledge that this was going on in State College, PA. Pretty disgusting and sickening.

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/05/penn-state-makes-a-banana-flavored-jerry-sandusky-ice-cream/ (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/11/05/penn-state-makes-a-banana-flavored-jerry-sandusky-ice-cream/)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on June 20, 2012, 11:39:15 AM



Pedobear made an appearance at the trial this morning.

(http://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/2012/06/jerry-sandusky-trial-day-7-7db4446d69a32fa5.jpg)

An Internet-born character called "Pedobear," which mocks pedophiles or is their mascot, depending on which website you believe, is at the Centre County courthouse this morning, outside the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse trial. (http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_trial_pedobear.html)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on June 20, 2012, 12:22:57 PM
That photo is awesome.  :maundoed:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on June 20, 2012, 12:26:08 PM
That photo is awesome.  :maundoed:

What's the most awesome is he/she is actually being interviewed by the media.  I wonder what insights they're expecting from a person dressed up in a bear costume. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on June 20, 2012, 03:06:49 PM
What's the most awesome is he/she is actually being interviewed by the media.  I wonder what insights they're expecting from a person dressed up in a bear costume.


I don't know, but Pedobear was apparently giving interviews left and right.

(http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/602326813.jpg?key=25921728&Expires=1340223741&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=peckE39~Uk2wmOe5xMjvjacpf3o8osaNRdUAJJ1y~jP1GIGF8JanjN8VMMmZDyf4ylnKhqMIRuB2d6J0foG5Axt7cBNyQkitGBYRU3QnI8SvpSoFofrsU7XlIqosFVRCtuwUDfC-Sg6qi4I8VTlGSogKLH4OrKJ5T5ZQm7svuGM_)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TexZilla on June 20, 2012, 03:49:45 PM
Hopefully the jury is not OJacked by the celebrity of Sandusky and sends his ass to prison for the rest of his days.  A couple of days in gen pop is all that is needed to send his pedophile ass to an eternal buzz saw enema.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Zoso on June 21, 2012, 09:11:31 AM
3 counts thrown out...

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-throws-3-51-counts-against-sandusky-133915952--spt.html
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jacobp on June 21, 2012, 11:04:21 AM
3 counts thrown out...

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-throws-3-51-counts-against-sandusky-133915952--spt.html
Thrown out on a technicality, but by doing so the judge removes any chance of Sandusky winning an appeal on those charges should he be convicted. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bleedinred on June 21, 2012, 11:12:51 AM
Hopefully the jury is not OJacked by the celebrity of Sandusky and sends his ass to prison for the rest of his days.  A couple of days in gen pop is all that is needed to send his pedophile ass to an eternal buzz saw enema.

Had he been a regular Joe Blow then he might go into GP as no one would know what he did in the world.  Most likely they will house him in a special unit where he is monitored and/or secluded from anyone that will kill him.  Shame really.  The floor with men who like to grow boobs would be ideal for this fucker.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: likeupthisramp on June 21, 2012, 11:16:50 AM
Thrown out on a technicality, but by doing so the judge removes any chance of Sandusky winning an appeal on those charges should he be convicted.
It's odd to me that a technicality is "attempted to penetrate him but didn't say that such penetration had actually occurred".

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hackfuck McDouche on June 21, 2012, 11:24:52 AM
It's odd to me that a technicality is "attempted to penetrate him but didn't say that such penetration had actually occurred".

Hard to charge somebody with murder if the victim is still alive, but you might have a hell of a case for attempted murder.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on June 21, 2012, 11:28:13 AM
If a statute says X, Y, and Z have to happen for someone to be guilty of a particular crime, and the judge decides that the prosecution didn't present enough evidence that X, Y, and X occurred in order to present that count to a jury, then I wouldn't call that a technicality.

I call that not proving your case as to that particular count, and/or overcharging a defendant.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LaMoHog on June 21, 2012, 12:49:55 PM
Had he been a regular Joe Blow then he might go into GP as no one would know what he did in the world.  Most likely they will house him in a special unit where he is monitored and/or secluded from anyone that will kill him.  Shame really.  The floor with men who like to grow boobs would be ideal for this fucker.

Even in a special housing unit they keep snitches, people who've dropped out of gangs, and other folks who don't appreciate being housed with child molelsters. I'd bet he winds up getting his at some point soon.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: lawtiger on June 21, 2012, 01:14:57 PM
Even in a special housing unit they keep snitches, people who've dropped out of gangs, and other folks who don't appreciate being housed with child molelsters. I'd bet he winds up getting his at some point soon.

Yeah, he won't last very long.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Thin Red Swine on June 21, 2012, 01:42:30 PM
Had he been a regular Joe Blow...

Nothing about his blow was regular.

Allegedly.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bar_hog on June 21, 2012, 04:52:20 PM
i just got a cnn update saying his adopted son was prepared to testify for the prosecution
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: likeupthisramp on June 21, 2012, 06:16:49 PM
i just got a cnn update saying his adopted son was prepared to testify for the prosecution
Yeah, Espin just reported he admitted to being sexually molested as a kid by Sandusky and was prepared to testify. Why in the world would you not put him on the stand? Maybe if he gets off on an OJ technicality, they can file new charges? Geez- I cannot believe he has not been shot yet.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on June 21, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
It may have been mentioned before but there was a crawl on espn that 9 of the jurors have direct ties to PSU.
Might be interesting to be a fly on the wall in that jury room.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on June 21, 2012, 06:21:23 PM
Yeah, Espin just reported he admitted to being sexually molested as a kid by Sandusky and was prepared to testify. Why in the world would you not put him on the stand? Maybe if he gets off on an OJ technicality, they can file new charges? Geez- I cannot believe he has not been shot yet.

Because, supposubly, he made public statements for several weeks sticking up for Sandusky and perhaps even denied once that he had ever been abused.  So, not a great witness.

At least, that's what somebody on TV said.  and they're never wrong.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on June 21, 2012, 06:32:27 PM
It may have been mentioned before but there was a crawl on espn that 9 of the jurors have direct ties to PSU.
Might be interesting to be a fly on the wall in that jury room.

Hmm... I smell OJ type jury nullification/tampering going on.

"He may be a disgusting, perverted pedophile, but DOGGONE IT he's OUR disgusting, perverted pedophile".
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on June 21, 2012, 07:02:14 PM
Yep.  On the other hand, there could be an alumnus on the jury that is so pissed off at the shame heaped on his school, they he gives Sandusky no beneft of any doubt.

As Randy Rainwatr has said, "that coin can cut both ways."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: lawtiger on June 21, 2012, 07:12:03 PM
I already have a terribly low opinion of society at large.  If this shitstain does not get a prolonged mandatory stay in the hoosegow, then I will concede...and move to Nepal to contemplate my navel whilst awaiting death.

That said, my prediction: he's done...and he won't live to see 2013 behind bars.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on June 21, 2012, 07:15:32 PM
I already have a terribly low opinion of society at large. 

well, you do live in the Florida panhandle.   :stache:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: lawtiger on June 21, 2012, 07:21:22 PM
well, you do live in the Florida panhandle.   :stache:

True...I get an up close and personal glimpse into every brand of hilljack in a 10 state radius when they invade my beloved home every summer.

My conclusion after years of research:  People are stupid.  Most of them are very stupid.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: likeupthisramp on June 21, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
I already have a terribly low opinion of society at large.  If this shitstain does not get a prolonged mandatory stay in the hoosegow, then I will concede...and move to Nepal to contemplate my navel whilst awaiting death.

That said, my prediction: he's done...and he won't live to see 2013 behind bars.
I still think he off's himself. I'm just not sure in my lifetime that I have ever heard of anything more revolting. Starkville is not enough for him.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Reverend Snoophogg on June 22, 2012, 12:02:01 PM
I still think he off's himself. I'm just not sure in my lifetime that I have ever heard of anything more revolting. Starkville is not enough for him.

I saw some Shit Flipping through the channels last night and a dude on there was saying Sandusky used to suck his dick all the time, even told his father he wanted to "adopt" him.

That dude is fucked up.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on June 22, 2012, 12:21:43 PM
I saw some aMm Flipping through the channels last night and a dude on there was saying Sandusky used to suck his dick all the time, even told his father he wanted to "adopt" him.

That dude is fricked up.

I assume this is what you're talking about... http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandusky-trial-rocked-adopted-son-abused/story?id=16618378#.T-Spapi8jJY (http://abcnews.go.com/US/sandusky-trial-rocked-adopted-son-abused/story?id=16618378#.T-Spapi8jJY)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: BEvERage on June 22, 2012, 08:34:56 PM
verdict is in.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Buffinator on June 22, 2012, 08:54:19 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-22/sandusky-verdict/55768640/1

Quote
The attorney, who argued forcefully for his client Thursday, said that he has tried to prepare Sandusky for the prospect of conviction. Asked whether the former coach truly appreciated the risk he faces, Amendola said Sandusky has a lot of "kid in him.

Bad choice of words?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HipHog on June 22, 2012, 09:14:02 PM
guilty on 45 of 48 charges...judge dropped three charges
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Chigurh on June 22, 2012, 09:17:50 PM
guilty on 45 of 48 charges...judge dropped three charges

One of the charges dropped was the Mike McQueary shower charge.

Not that it matters, but I thought that was odd.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: likeupthisramp on June 22, 2012, 09:20:13 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-22/sandusky-verdict/55768640/1

Bad choice of words?
Or, he was in a lot of kids. Sweet verdict.

Now, go Hogs!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on June 22, 2012, 10:07:26 PM
Adios, Sandusky.

You deserve every minute of what's about to happen to you in prison.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on June 22, 2012, 10:08:46 PM
Adios, Sandusky.

You deserve every minute of what's about to happen to you in prison.

He won't live long enough to suffer what he deserves.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Rob on June 22, 2012, 10:25:11 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI62MzD8hNY&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on June 22, 2012, 11:13:53 PM
From Penn State to the State Pen.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on June 22, 2012, 11:25:40 PM
Only good news of the night.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snortingred1 on June 22, 2012, 11:54:36 PM
Well, this guy will soon be dead.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Phat_Hawg on June 23, 2012, 12:49:23 AM
Adios, Sandusky.

You deserve every minute of what's about to happen to you in prison.

He will never spend a single second in general population.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on June 23, 2012, 01:08:09 AM
Well, this guy will soon be dead.
Coaching/Mentoring with Joe Pa again.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on June 23, 2012, 01:15:20 AM
He will never spend a single second in general population.
If he does, it will be a lot of "sloppy" seconds.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Chigurh on June 23, 2012, 02:59:01 AM
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg532/scaled.php?tn=0&server=532&filename=berps.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: deesnutts on June 23, 2012, 07:57:38 AM
(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg532/scaled.php?tn=0&server=532&filename=berps.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)

On the bright side, at least he gets to keep on showerin with dudes!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Passed on June 23, 2012, 08:35:10 AM
On the bright side, at least he gets to keep on showerin with dudes!

...and he'll be reprising the role of the 10yr old.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Animal on June 23, 2012, 08:55:48 AM
They will put him in the dirty old man loony bin probably.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on June 23, 2012, 09:54:24 AM
Well, this guy will soon be dead.

I hope not.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on June 23, 2012, 10:30:11 AM
I'd still like to see them investigate a little more in to the mysterious disappearance of Ray Gricar, the attorney who vanished with the weird computer stuff going on. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on June 23, 2012, 10:31:22 AM
Nothing mysterious about it.  He was on the missile that hit the Pentagon.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Reverend Snoophogg on June 23, 2012, 10:38:06 AM
I'd still like to see them investigate a little more in to the mysterious disappearance of Ray Gricar, the attorney who vanished with the weird computer stuff going on.


That was some odd shit.  Disappeared without a fucking clue...
I can't help but believe the Nittany cowardly lions had something to do with that.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on June 23, 2012, 11:48:54 AM
Since I made that post, I've been rolling through the Googles and Wikipedia reading through mysterious disappearances, mysterious people in history, etc.

Wow.  What a trip.  I Heart the Internet.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: hogsrunwild on June 23, 2012, 11:54:20 AM
Since I made that post, I've been rolling through the Googles and Wikipedia reading through mysterious disappearances, mysterious people in history, etc.

Wow.  What a trip.  I Heart the Internet.

It takes a bit of research, but man, there is tons of info out there if you want to find it.  Probably the easiest time in history to actually be intelligent about a number of topics, yet so many are fucking dumb because they won't do a bit of digging around.  They watch Fox or MSNBC and call it a day.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on June 23, 2012, 12:01:48 PM
I find the stories of this Count of St Germain to be quite boring but man, I had no awareness about this Babushka lady or this poor soldier that "teleports" from the Phillipines to Mexico City. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: UAClassof81 on June 23, 2012, 01:27:17 PM

That was some odd aMm.  Disappeared without a fricking clue...
I can't help but believe the Nittany cowardly lions had something to do with that.

And I've heard that Joe Pa has now disappeared!  No one's seen him for months! 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Reverend Snoophogg on June 24, 2012, 09:47:39 AM
And I've heard that Joe Pa has now disappeared!  No one's seen him for months!

Don't worry.  There will be sightings in about 2 months, as they prop his carcass up at "not-so-happy valley" when kickoff gets here, and they all start misremembering him with love and adoration, and forget what a piece of hit he was for allowing this monster to run loose on his watch.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on June 24, 2012, 09:53:04 AM
Don't worry.  There will be sightings in about 2 months, as they prop his carcass up at "not-so-happy valley" when kickoff gets here, and they all start misremembering him with love and adoration, and forget what a piece of hit he was for allowing this monster to run loose on his watch.

Don't kid yourself. Those retards don't blame Paterno anyway.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HipHog on June 24, 2012, 10:41:51 AM
Nothing mysterious about it.  He was on the missile that hit the Pentagon.
wait, what missle?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Too Big Pig on June 24, 2012, 11:05:07 AM
Don't kid yourself. Those retards don't blame Paterno anyway.

This is true. Just talked with a PSU fan the other night that felt Joe P. (as I refuse to give him that nurturing name anymore) did everything he was supposed to do.

Amazing.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on June 24, 2012, 11:53:51 AM
wait, what missle?

The one that hit the Pentagon.  Duh.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on June 25, 2012, 09:05:00 AM
Nothing mysterious about it.  He was on the missile that hit the Pentagon.


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YUd7InM5kKA/TaRn_S5zecI/AAAAAAAAAG0/pZIWLLPLaK0/s1600/Slim_Pickens_bomb_Dr_Strangelove.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: FayettenamHog on June 25, 2012, 03:26:25 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_wants_out_of_is.html

"I don’t think I’m suicidal. I’m dealing with this, but if I have to sit around in this cell for a few more days, I am going to go nutty."
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Zoso on June 25, 2012, 03:34:45 PM
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/06/jerry_sandusky_wants_out_of_is.html

"I don’t think I’m suicidal. I’m dealing with this, but if I have to sit around in this cell for a few more days, I am going to go nutty."

Days?!?!? How's weeks, months, YEARS buddy?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogTat on June 25, 2012, 04:01:47 PM
Days?!?!? How's weeks, months, YEARS buddy?

Put him in general pop, then it'd be days.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Animal on June 25, 2012, 06:50:59 PM
So they are just now going to give him a perv test?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TC on June 26, 2012, 03:32:24 AM
Put him in general pop, then it'd be days.

Yep.  It would've been done already at county if he weren't in s.c.  If you're at county waiting on transport for a stretch, he's a trophy.  Take him out and show up at the pen(n) as a celebrity.

If he doesn't get some type of protective status, he's dead within 1 week of sentencing.   
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: bar_hog on June 26, 2012, 08:55:16 AM
other than not suffering enough I'm ok with that.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Guardrail on June 26, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
I'm sure the Sisters will take care of him...
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Nolapigz on June 27, 2012, 08:09:55 PM
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/311560_10151011749146969_302736812_n.jpg)

If there were ever a photo to where we can channel all of our ridicule and hate, it is here.

The funniest part, however, is that they used "then" instead of "than", meaning that they intend to shower with boys at Penn St THEN go support Alabama. 
Classless, inbred, uneducated morons.  I see them every day.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on June 27, 2012, 10:02:19 PM
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/311560_10151011749146969_302736812_n.jpg)

If there were ever a photo to where we can channel all of our ridicule and hate, it is here.

The funniest part, however, is that they used "then" instead of "than", meaning that they intend to shower with boys at Penn St THEN go support Alabama. 
Classless, inbred, uneducated morons.  I see them every day.

they should italicize "then" then it would be truly epic failbeauxt.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DLog12 on June 29, 2012, 09:52:20 PM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8114416/report-former-penn-state-officials-exchanged-emails-jerry-sandusky-allegations-2001

Former Penn State officials exchanged emails in 2001 to determine how they would deal with allegations of inappropriate behavior against Jerry Sandusky, according to a CNN report.

According to the report, emails between former Penn State officials Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier show the trio initially planned to tell authorities about the allegations against Sandusky, who was convicted on 45 of 48 charges against him last week.

However, the three men opted not to alert authorities after speaking with "Joe," according to the report.

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved," read one of the emails, according to CNN.

During the Sandusky trial, prosecutors said Schultz, a Penn State vice president, kept a secret file containing allegations of inappropriate behavior against Sandusky that directly contradicted statements Schultz made to the grand jury investigating the disgraced former defensive coordinator under longtime coach Joe Paterno.

"The commonwealth has come into possession of computer data (again, subpoenaed long ago but not received from PSU until after the charges had been filed in this case) in the form of emails between Schultz, Curley and others that contradict their testimony before the Grand Jury," the document states.

The document also states that Schultz, who also oversaw the school's police force, "created, maintained and possessed" the file.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on June 30, 2012, 08:59:37 AM
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8114416/report-former-penn-state-officials-exchanged-emails-jerry-sandusky-allegations-2001

Former Penn State officials exchanged emails in 2001 to determine how they would deal with allegations of inappropriate behavior against Jerry Sandusky, according to a CNN report.

According to the report, emails between former Penn State officials Tim Curley, Gary Schultz and Graham Spanier show the trio initially planned to tell authorities about the allegations against Sandusky, who was convicted on 45 of 48 charges against him last week.

However, the three men opted not to alert authorities after speaking with "Joe," according to the report.

"After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps. I am having trouble with going to everyone, but the person involved," read one of the emails, according to CNN.

During the Sandusky trial, prosecutors said Schultz, a Penn State vice president, kept a secret file containing allegations of inappropriate behavior against Sandusky that directly contradicted statements Schultz made to the grand jury investigating the disgraced former defensive coordinator under longtime coach Joe Paterno.

"The commonwealth has come into possession of computer data (again, subpoenaed long ago but not received from PSU until after the charges had been filed in this case) in the form of emails between Schultz, Curley and others that contradict their testimony before the Grand Jury," the document states.

The document also states that Schultz, who also oversaw the school's police force, "created, maintained and possessed" the file.

Just as I suspected all along, they are all culpable.  JoePa can burn in hell along with the rest of them.

Penn State should disband football for a few years, but they won't, and their moron fans will continue to ignore what happened there.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DirkPiggler on June 30, 2012, 09:41:24 AM
Just as I suspected all along, they are all culpable.  JoePa can burn in hell along with the rest of them.

Penn State should disband football for a few years, but they won't, and their moron fans will continue to ignore what happened there.

And they'll continue to bitch about how poor old Joe got a raw deal.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on June 30, 2012, 09:46:47 AM
Joe Pa probably liked to watch.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Ruddy Stormwater on June 30, 2012, 03:43:50 PM
Can't believe these morons communicated via email.  It proves their involvement.  I always pick up the phone when talking about the bad stuff.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HipHog on June 30, 2012, 05:23:36 PM
how could you , as a player, ever use those showers again? knowing what the fuck they let happen.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on June 30, 2012, 05:27:47 PM
how could you , as a player, ever use those showers again? knowing what the fuck they let happen.

Coach said it was okay.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on June 30, 2012, 06:16:57 PM
how could you , as a player, ever use those showers again? knowing what the frick they let happen.
Bet there won't be nearly as much soap dropped in there now that Sandusky is gone.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snortingred1 on June 30, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Anyone find it suspicious how Paterno just up and died not two months removed from his job?  I'll find my tin foil hat.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on July 01, 2012, 10:02:11 AM
Can't believe these morons communicated via email.  It proves their involvement.  I always pick up the phone when talking about the bad stuff.

1.  A bunch of old white men
2.  Early days of email for most organizations; much less savvy about what to put in emails and what to leave out of them

I hope they have been shitting their pants worrying about this.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DirkPiggler on July 01, 2012, 11:10:26 AM
1.  A bunch of old white men
2.  Early days of email for most organizations; much less savvy about what to put in emails and what to leave out of them

I hope they have been shitting their pants worrying about this.

I hope that one day soon they will be shitting their pants because they no longer have the sphincter to voluntarily hold it in.. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkSaladAnnie on July 01, 2012, 06:03:12 PM
I hope they have been shitting their pants worrying about this.
Dig Joe Pa up, lay in a supply of formaldehyde, and let the cons get it on every night = Justice.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: labhawg on July 01, 2012, 09:06:09 PM
Dig Joe Pa up, lay in a supply of formaldehyde, and let the cons get it on every night = Justice.

Woopig mommafrickers!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Law_Hawg on July 02, 2012, 10:49:40 AM
Dig Joe Pa up, lay in a supply of formaldehyde, and let the cons get it on every night = Justice.


Give him the old Oliver Cromwell treatment.

Following the death of Oliver Cromwell on 3 September 1658, he was given a public funeral at Westminster Abbey, equal to those of monarchs before him. After defeating and executing King Charles I after the English Civil War, Cromwell had become Lord Protector and ruler of the English Commonwealth. His legacy passed to his son Richard, who was overthrown by the army in 1659, after which monarchy was re-established and King Charles II, who was living in exile, was recalled. Charles' new parliament ordered the disinterment of Cromwell's body from Westminster Abbey and the disinterment of other regicides John Bradshaw and Henry Ireton, for a posthumous execution at Tyburn. After hanging "from morning till four in the afternoon",[1] the bodies were cut down and the heads placed on a 20-foot (6.1 m) spike above Westminster Hall. In 1685 a storm broke the pole upon which it stood,[2] throwing the head to the ground, after which it was in the hands of private collectors and museum owners until 25 March 1960, when it was buried at Sidney Sussex College in Cambridge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell's_head (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Cromwell's_head)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on July 02, 2012, 01:03:37 PM
Am I the only one thinking of HDN after reading that?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on July 02, 2012, 01:05:33 PM
Coach said it was okay.

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/59/blockingupthescenery.png)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on July 02, 2012, 01:21:06 PM
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/59/blockingupthescenery.png)

Love that Ped Xing sign in the background (well not love, actually it's pretty ironically creepy). :stunned:
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: DirkPiggler on July 02, 2012, 01:23:49 PM
(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/59/blockingupthescenery.png)

You sick, magnificent bastard.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on July 09, 2012, 06:12:33 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/justice/pennsylvania-penn-state-paterno/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on July 09, 2012, 07:07:56 AM
Reading the comments to Muzzy's link.  Some people STILL defending Paterno. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Pork Soda on July 09, 2012, 07:22:30 AM
Reading the comments to Muzzy's link.  Some people STILL defending Paterno.

These fuckers (PSU fans) and tOSU fans are birds of a feather, though defending anyone at Penn State at this point is bordering psychotic. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on July 09, 2012, 08:31:02 AM
Reading the comments to Muzzy's link.  Some people STILL defending Paterno.

Watch this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on July 09, 2012, 09:05:41 AM
Watch this little gem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2qI-lH6SIU)
realstunned

(http://emergewithus.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/head_in_the_sand-461x307-300x199.jpg)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on July 11, 2012, 08:37:50 AM
Espn just reported that the Louis Freeh  investigation into the PUS scandal will be released tomorrow. The report 'comes down hard on JoPa'. After the news of the release of the report, last night, 22 PUS trustees met to basically discuss how to spin this report so that they can keep blowin Jo!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Hog Leg on July 12, 2012, 09:07:52 AM
The Freeh report has been released.  This will not buff out per se.  They reportedly held this information from authorities for 14 years.  What a sad and sick situation all around.

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/12/12699159-report-finds-penn-state-president-paterno-concealed-facts-about-sandusky-sex-abuse?lite


Penn State football coach Joe Paterno and other university leaders "repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky’s child abuse" from authorities, according to Louis Freeh, the former FBI director who conducted an investigation for the university in the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse scandal.
Freeh also found that "although concern to treat the child abuser humanely was expressly stated, no such sentiments were ever expressed" by university officials, including Paterno and the university president, for Sandusky’s victims.
Penn State officials said they would hold a news conference at 3:30 p.m. ET to respond to the report.
Freeh's findings may affect the reputation of legendary coach Paterno, who died soon after the Sandusky allegations became public, as well as the university's standing with the National Collegiate Athletic Association, which so far has not announced any punishments of Penn State.


The full report can be read on pdf. here
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/REPORTFINAL071212.pdf
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: clintcommander on July 12, 2012, 10:46:22 AM
Hope they enjoyed playing football.  That team need's bombed, and JoPa's statue need's this treatment...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wss_urnuB7o
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: PorkRyan on July 12, 2012, 12:28:03 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ugwVIz4tV-I/T_72anuI8oI/AAAAAAAAFMw/6EXj9D2ILHQ/s640/Picture+5.png)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on July 12, 2012, 02:57:07 PM
Watching ESPN, Matt Millen, and the BOT for Penn State...

They are trying to say that this one little gaff shouldn't negate a lifetime of good things he (Joe the fuckhead Paterno) has done.  He was just a man, after all, and nobody's perfect.

Well, it wasn't one little thing...it was a big thing...a minimum of 14 years of big thing...and he lived a fraud for that entire time, allowing boys to be attacked and raped so his football team wouldn't be embarrassed. 

Fuckin Penn State people are spinning so hard I'm getting dizzy.  And Matt Millen is a punk, and I guarantee you he would have gone along with Paterno if he had been in the mix.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Death By Sooiecide on July 12, 2012, 04:48:33 PM
http://www.nittanyfootball.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=LockerRoom&page=0


Still some sick individuals who will believe anything.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogHazard on July 12, 2012, 06:28:45 PM
"The death penalty, as delivered by the NCAA, is a good starting point. I used to believe this was too harsh. After listening to those boys testify and then reading details in the Freeh reports like Sandusky having special seats to Paterno’s record-breaking game in 2011 and an email from then-athletic director Tim Curley saying, after talking with Paterno, he no longer believed reporting Sandusky to child authorities was the right course of action, I have changed my mind.

The football program needs to go away for a while."

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-should-lose-football-privileges-dealth-penalty-in-wake-of-freeh-report-child-sex-abuse-071212
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: uagrad89 on July 12, 2012, 06:56:30 PM
In the words of Johnny Ringo...

Burn 'em, Ike. Burn 'em all.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Buffinator on July 12, 2012, 07:27:06 PM
In the words of Johnny Ringo...

Burn 'em, Ike. Burn 'em all.

Proof that every life situation could revert back to Tombstone
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Clark on July 12, 2012, 07:31:47 PM
"The death penalty, as delivered by the NCAA, is a good starting point. I used to believe this was too harsh. After listening to those boys testify and then reading details in the Freeh reports like Sandusky having special seats to Paterno’s record-breaking game in 2011 and an email from then-athletic director Tim Curley saying, after talking with Paterno, he no longer believed reporting Sandusky to child authorities was the right course of action, I have changed my mind.

The football program needs to go away for a while."

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/penn-state-should-lose-football-privileges-dealth-penalty-in-wake-of-freeh-report-child-sex-abuse-071212
I was in this corner until I heard some talk about it. Why punish all those other student athletes? What did they do? Paterno is dead. The rest are going to jail. I don't think the volleyball team that depends on the revenue of the football program should have to suffer.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on July 12, 2012, 07:54:57 PM
I was in this corner until I heard some talk about it. Why punish all those other student athletes? What did they do? Paterno is dead. The rest are going to jail. I don't think the volleyball team that depends on the revenue of the football program should have to suffer.

I hear you and don't totally disagree with what you're saying, however, there are still some defending the institution and essentially trying to downplay this.  As long as that continues, the stronger the punishment should be.  I've always said there should be another death penalty after SMU, but this has me debating that thought.  14 years of hiding this?  That's not just 4 people or whatever.  It includes the thousands of lunatic jackasses that were outside Paterno's house.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on July 12, 2012, 07:58:36 PM
I was in this corner until I heard some talk about it. Why punish all those other student athletes? What did they do? Paterno is dead. The rest are going to jail. I don't think the volleyball team that depends on the revenue of the football program should have to suffer.

This also applied at SMU and would apply with any football program that was merely cheating on recruits as well.  Why hurt those that were innocent?  It always happens with any NCAA sanctions.

The difference here is the criminal penalties involved.  If all of those that were in the chain of responsibility here actually spend time in jail, I'll be content with that. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Animal on July 12, 2012, 08:30:53 PM
Penn State needs to fall on it's own sword before the NCAA finds a way to penalize them. Allow me to sort this all out...

1. Reduce scholarships from 85 to 80 starting in 2013 for a period no less than 5 academic years.

2. Pledge to donate a substantial amount of their annual tv revenue to a charity of the choosing of the BigTEN1113 commish. This practice shall continue for the length of the current conference tv deal or 14 years...which ever happens last.


Penn State as a learning institution is guilty of failing to protect and/or seek justice for the innocent in the attempt preserve their reputation and integrity. That being said I'm against the death penalty for Penn State football simply because this really has little to do with football. The current coaching staff and players had and have nothing to do with what happened years ago. Don't under estimate the power of loyalty and disbelief in a situation such as this especially when those in power had so much emotionally invested in a decades old relationship with Sandusky. When you really don't want to believe something and are not prepared to accept that reality...it's real easy to convince yourself to do little or nothing about it.

Beyond that we are talking about a clear cut case of lack of institutional control via the Paterno staff. Key Penn State administrators and coaching faculty continued to allow a person access to university facilities for years after their first time knowing about the possibility (or likelihood) of that individual being a child predator. A rational person would then have to conclude that Penn State either doesn't mind child predators on their campus or they felt that the matter was cleared up to the satisfaction of law enforcement and considered the matter closed at the time. I'm not clear which is more true but I'm leaning toward the former and not the latter.

So who failed the most in this process? Who really fucked the dog here? Mike McQueary failed, he reported to his father and his superiors that Jerry Sandusky was touching and raping a little boy in a locker room shower. End of discussion the buck stops here. Reporting this does not release you from your obligations as a man and decent human being. If you see something like this how in holy hell can you continue to work at a place where you know through every fiber of your body that they did little to pursue those allegations? I think we can then assume job security was a critical part of this at least for young Mr. McQueary. Seeing something like this (first hand knowledge), reporting it, and then after the fact being complicit, evasive, and/or ambiguous about the entire matter just comes across as a dude looking out for #1. What a hero. I hope this guy goes unemployed the rest of his life. You don't just see something like this and then cloud up the details years later...that type of shit sticks with you.

The very integrity that Penn State sought to preserve and protect was the principal thing they have lost in all this. Their obligation as an institute of higher learning should be more in league of protecting, guiding, and preserving the innocent and less about what it might look like if one of their former coaches was caught being a pervert. Only those closest to this situation can truly say that they can look themselves in the mirror convinced they did all they could at the time. We as decent human beings tend to not believe a damn thing they say and we the cynical bastards that we are can only lean on the fact that an old man in a race with another old man put his legacy and win total ahead of the innocent. If there is any justice in this world...we will see Bobby Bowden return to coaching long enough to retake first place.





Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jsimp on July 12, 2012, 08:51:25 PM
Just saw it scroll across the bottom on espn that an attorney says does not meet definition of lack of institutional control.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogHazard on July 12, 2012, 09:13:53 PM
Just saw it scroll across the bottom on espn that an attorney says does not meet definition of lack of institutional control.

Well because an attorney said it then it must be true...

You realize that attorneys present conflicting (opposite) statements as facts all the time!
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on July 12, 2012, 09:15:10 PM
Just saw it scroll across the bottom on espn that an attorney says does not meet definition of lack of institutional control.

probably Millen's attorney.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Count Porkula on July 12, 2012, 09:27:31 PM
Well because an attorney said it then it must be true...

You realize that attorneys present conflicting (opposite) statements as facts all the time!

the attorney in question was an attorney for the NCAA and the infractions committee
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogHazard on July 12, 2012, 09:31:01 PM
the attorney in question was an attorney for the NCAA and the infractions committee

Who? And did the NCAA sanction his comment?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: jeb stuart on July 12, 2012, 09:34:45 PM
One of my greatest wishes right now is that Jay Paterno and the hired mouthpieces for the whole Paterno clan would shut the fuck up!!! I'm fed up with hearing how grand old Dad couldn't have possibly been complicit in this cover up when multiple things presented by Judge Freeh this morning lead any reasonable person to conclude he was one of, if not THE, ringleaders in covering the the whole sordid affair up.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on July 12, 2012, 10:06:08 PM
One of my greatest wishes right now is that Jay Paterno and the hired mouthpieces for the whole Paterno clan would shut the frick up!!! I'm fed up with hearing how grand old Dad couldn't have possibly been complicit in this cover up when multiple things presented by Judge Freeh this morning lead any reasonable person to conclude he was one of, if not THE, ringleaders in covering the the whole sordid affair up.

And that's why they should shut it down for a couple of years and clean house.  Football program chemotherapy, if you will.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on July 12, 2012, 10:12:55 PM
One of my greatest wishes right now is that Jay Paterno and the hired mouthpieces for the whole Paterno clan would shut the fuck up!!! I'm fed up with hearing how grand old Dad couldn't have possibly been complicit in this cover up when multiple things presented by Judge Freeh this morning lead any reasonable person to conclude he was one of, if not THE, ringleaders in covering the the whole sordid affair up.

Numbers 32:23 needs to be on Joe Pa's headstone.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: HogHazard on July 12, 2012, 10:21:05 PM
Numbers 32:23 needs to be on Joe Pa's headstone.

I prefer Matthew 18:6
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on July 12, 2012, 10:35:58 PM
idk if this one was mentioned in the thread before, but I "found" it on wikipedia.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/10766548/

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - Joe Paterno said he was not "going to say anything about" the demand by the National Organization for Women that he quit as Penn State coach for his comments regarding the recent sexual assault accusation against Florida State linebacker A.J. Nicholson, ESPN reported.

"Most people know me. I am what I am,'' Paterno told ESPN.com. "I had no intention . . . it was taken out of context. Having said that, they have every right to do what they want to do."

Paterno’s remarks came a day before the Orange Bowl, when a reporter asked about Florida State linebacker A.J. Nicholson, who was accused of sexual assault and sent home before Tuesday’s game.

Paterno replied by talking about past suspensions of Penn State players. He then added: “There’s some tough — there’s so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?”

“Geez. I hope — thank God they don’t knock on my door because I’d refer them to a couple of other rooms,” Paterno continued. “But that’s too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He’s a heck of a football player, by the way; he’s a really good football player. And it’s just too bad.”
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: ArkGuy on July 12, 2012, 11:49:56 PM
In the words of Johnny Ringo...

Burn 'em, Ike. Burn 'em all.

In the words of Lt. Col. Benjamin Vandervoort, "You can't give the enemy a break. Send them to hell."

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u98/adzez/The%20Longest%20Day/1b6989ac.png)
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TC on July 13, 2012, 01:00:04 AM
And that's why they should shut it down for a couple of years and clean house.  Football program chemotherapy, if you will.

As in do away with the football program?  That's just stupid for so many reasons.

They'll criminally punish those involved, and severely reduce scholarships, TV, and bowl appearances for the program over 5 years.  Look for a resurgence from them in 2020.  Shutting it down hurts too many that weren't involved, and for far too long.

Send the guilty ones to hell, let the innocent ones play ball.

 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: MDEM on July 13, 2012, 06:17:49 AM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/joe-paterno-at-the-end-showed-more-interest-in-his-legacy-than-sanduskys-victims/2012/07/12/gJQAMUX9fW_story.html
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Snorts on July 13, 2012, 07:40:40 AM
Gents, any of you making the case that Penn State should avoid the Death Penalty because it would only hurt the innocent...

That reasoning can be used for virtually every situation in athletics in regards to discipline.  As in "if I suspend the boy it will just punish his teammates" for individual transgressions all the way to what you are saying now, that nailing a cheating, lying institution isn't fair.  The argument basically says everyone gets a pass, unless you can actually nail the people doing it, and the ones benefiting from it (presumably), while they are still at the Institution.

So...what?  Just shake your finger at Penn State and give them a stern warning with harsh language?  That is your solution?

I say the people and athletes there ARE benefiting NOW from the cover up.  They are at Penn State because of a lie, because  Joe Pa perpetrated, enabled and was the driving force for the worst thing I have ever heard of a school doing, far worse than giving a kid a car, or his parents a job, or providing booze during recruiting, or setting up fake classes. 

This gets out 14 years ago, or any time since, what would Penn State's fortunes have been?  We don't know, but I think they would have been hurt, and PSU would have been diminished, and the program hurt, perhaps unable to attract the quality of ball players it was able, for 14 years, to continue doing.

Everything PSU is right now is built upon a conspiracy.  Tough shit for all the innocents...they can go to another school without penalty.  PSU needs to get their comeuppance, and it needs to be righteous, and they need to start over with an Athletic Department and AD in their proper place.

Or, we can do nothing, and follow that with doing nothing every time a school gets caught breaking rules, because of all the innocents, and eventually just forget about enforcing any rules because doing nothing isn't really enforcing anything, and let the chips fall where they may. 

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: GolfingHog on July 13, 2012, 08:11:27 AM
A good read if you have time:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-blame-freeh-report-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-tarnished-legacy.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--joe-paterno-blame-freeh-report-jerry-sandusky-penn-state-tarnished-legacy.html)

This is line one of Paterno's legacy. This is what has to be recalled.
He knew Sandusky had a history of suspected child abuse, and when a credible additional charge was brought forward, he protected him from professional investigation and let the victims suffer in silence.
There isn't any way around it. At best, Paterno went along with the decision of the other three, all of whom will likely be imprisoned for their actions. At worst, he drove it and didn't care about the kids.
The rest of Paterno's life sits in the shadow of that decision in 2001 and the subsequent days that Sandusky was able to use his stature and Paterno's own famed program to prey on often poor, fatherless and desperate boys.
There is no denying Paterno was a positive force in many lives, a gifted coach and motivator and, until now, a fine image for Penn State. None of that equals his shame.
The reason Paterno was able to wield such influence is the outsized value placed on college sports and the coaches who deliver those winning programs. A "pyramid of power," Freeh described it. And anyone pointing to all the players he helped is just repeating the same pathetic concept.
Paterno did help his football players. Those men, however, were heavily recruited, talented and often highly motivated people. If they hadn't gone to Penn State they would've gone to Michigan or Virginia or Notre Dame.
For decades he found a way to take top-line kids and maximize what they could do, usually by motivating them to excel at a sport they already loved. They were subject to mass adulation and had the potential to become millionaires at the professional level.
He wasn't taking illiterate Third World children and getting them to Harvard. Almost every person Paterno positively impacted through football would have fared similarly had Penn State not even fielded a team. They just would have played elsewhere. Bo Schembechler or Lou Holtz or Bobby Bowden would've coached them up in football and life, just like Paterno did.
Conversely, the kids that Jerry Sandusky tricked, molested and damaged wouldn't have lived the same life had Paterno done the right thing. They were attacked, out of nowhere. Without fault. Without provocation. Without the opportunity to create their own destiny.
The lives of these kids were profoundly and forever destroyed because of the actions of Sandusky, Spanier, Schultz, Curley and, yes, Joe Paterno.
There could never be enough victories, enough perfect graduation rates, enough national championships to justify that.
Joe Paterno was a great influence on men who were already likely to live great lives, men who could help him win football games.
He was a failure to those Second Mile boys who had no such talents, no such opportunity, no parade of recruiters looking to offer them scholarships. He turned his back on the very kids that were desperate for the kind of hero that Joe Paterno's former legacy claimed he was all about.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on July 13, 2012, 09:41:29 AM

Send the guilty ones to Starkville, let the innocent ones play ball.
 

Do we know exactly who all of the "guilty" are?  After all, its more than just 4 people or whatever.  It might be secretaries or whoever, but people knew.

So, using your logic, I have a question...If a company cheats on their taxes, they still get punished even if it was just one accountant who fudged the books. They still get punished even if the person(s) responsible has left the company. Punishing that company does not mean everyone there is guilty. And the punishment is likely to have a negative effect on people who have nothing to do with it, from stockholders to employees who might get laid off because of the financial penalty.

How is this any different?
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on July 13, 2012, 11:27:51 AM
Do we know exactly who all of the "guilty" are?  After all, its more than just 4 people or whatever.  It might be secretaries or whoever, but people knew.

So, using your logic, I have a question...If a company cheats on their taxes, they still get punished even if it was just one accountant who fudged the books. They still get punished even if the person(s) responsible has left the company. Punishing that company does not mean everyone there is guilty. And the punishment is likely to have a negative effect on people who have nothing to do with it, from stockholders to employees who might get laid off because of the financial penalty.

How is this any different?

There's a big difference between fudging books and fudging kids.  First of all, books are easier to hold in the shower.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Passed on July 13, 2012, 11:30:46 AM
There's a big difference between fudging books and fudging kids.  First of all, books are easier to hold in the shower.

Yeah, but they're both completely ruined afterward.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: LashHog on July 13, 2012, 11:37:01 AM
There's a big difference between fudging books and fudging kids.  First of all, books are easier to hold in the shower.
This was outstanding and disturbing.

Yeah, but they're both completely ruined afterward.
This took it up a level on both counts.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: KSHogg on July 13, 2012, 11:45:18 AM
I don't see how lots of people kept from knowing about this. All the victims (and I believe many more were involved), all the witnesses, I don't see how the PUS folks can remain in denial.

At least part of their penalty should include a two year death penalty for the university of Texas!
Just for the hell of it.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: TC on July 13, 2012, 12:01:40 PM
Do we know exactly who all of the "guilty" are?  After all, its more than just 4 people or whatever.  It might be secretaries or whoever, but people knew.

So, using your logic, I have a question...If a company cheats on their taxes, they still get punished even if it was just one accountant who fudged the books. They still get punished even if the person(s) responsible has left the company. Punishing that company does not mean everyone there is guilty. And the punishment is likely to have a negative effect on people who have nothing to do with it, from stockholders to employees who might get laid off because of the financial penalty.

How is this any different?

Since it's not my job to know who the guilty are, I'll have to trust the law will go after everyone who is.  And as high profile as this thing has become, I doubt anyone walks free.

On the punishment for the program...I guess I'm questioning the semantics here.   I agree they should at least get the 'death penalty' ala SMU,  but to me that shouldn't include completely shutting down the football program, as in doing away with it.

One can set a program back 15-20 years, the other is almost impossible to recover from. 
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Splurge on July 13, 2012, 12:06:44 PM
There's a big difference between fudging books and fudging kids.  First of all, books are easier to hold in the shower.

Veddy nice.  :borat:


On the punishment for the program...I guess I'm questioning the semantics here.   I agree they should at least get the 'death penalty' ala SMU,  but to me that shouldn't include completely shutting down the football program, as in doing away with it.

One can set a program back 15-20 years, the other is almost impossible to recover from. 

Gotcha.  We actually agree completely on this.  Not that anybody should give a damn that we agree, but hell, its Woopig, and rarely do people agree.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on July 13, 2012, 02:22:16 PM
its Woopig, and rarely do people agree.

Bullshit

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Mr A Ziffell on July 13, 2012, 02:24:57 PM
Bullshit

I agree...
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: notaslibro on July 13, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
I agree...

You are nothing if not agreeable.  I'm sorry I missed your party.

Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Cerdo on July 13, 2012, 06:06:19 PM
You are nothing if not agreeable.  I'm sorry I missed your party.

Frick off.... and I'm not inviting you to my party.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Animal on July 13, 2012, 06:26:37 PM
Re the statue of Joe Pa. Leave it alone, allow it to be a reminder of just what big time college football is all about...you know allowing children be raped and do nothing about it. No shit that statue should remain and those fans should have to walk past it coming and going.
Title: Re: Penn State Child Molestation Scandal
Post by: Aporkalypse_Now on July 13, 2012, 10:00:19 PM