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Title: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 28, 2017, 04:16:09 PM
Feel free to post whatever you want, but as opposed to the "he's got a foot" thread which seems to only invite the "Bert's fat," "We suck," "Petrino will win 7 national championships and we'll win the honor roll" posts.

Or don't.

My spy at practice says Dave Williams looks pretty dang good.  Whaley is definitely # 1, but he won't have to carry the whole load.

We've got some talent at receiver, but obviously unproven.

The line moves better, but of course until they pad up (on Tuesday I think) it's hard to say anything about the line.

Austin Allen far and above the rest at qb (no surprise).  Storey possibly turning a positive corner, but Kelley seems to have the edge, but at this point Storey will probably be # 2 on the depth chart.  Who knows what a few days of practice will bring out though.

Some meetings in the morning and practice at 4.  Same schedule for Saturday. 

My spy doesn't get to see the defense much.  His friens think errbody is liking the new scheme.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on July 28, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
10-2 baby!!!

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on July 28, 2017, 04:34:18 PM
I'm getting in contact with my source in Ouachita county this weekend. Should know more about something big that's going to happen within the next three months. Will keep errbody posted.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 28, 2017, 04:38:08 PM
I'm getting in contact with my source in Ouachita county this weekend. Should know more about something big that's going to happen within the next three months. Will keep errbody posted.

I thought he was in jail?  Wait, that's probably just as good a source as I've got too.  Ask him if we will still be using a tee to kick off with.  Plus, it is Friday afternoon, so somebody's probably getting fired too.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: abypfcs on July 28, 2017, 05:08:44 PM
I have been a fan for so long, that I try to stay at a pretty even keel.  Losses do hurt, but don't ruin my life.  I am ready for the season to begin.

I have a very good friend moving from the Atlanta area to Hot Springs Village and I may try to make a trip to see him and take in the Auburn game.  Not sure I am physically able to make the trip, but am hoping to.

Incidentally, this friend has been with me to approx 10 Razorback games and has never witnessed a victory.  I probably should make my trip early for the Florida A&M game to insure a first win.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on July 28, 2017, 05:13:08 PM
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: papermill on July 28, 2017, 06:41:01 PM
I am ready to get sucked in again!

If they disappoint I will just abandon them and bitch like a sunshine patriot.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on July 28, 2017, 07:08:17 PM
I'm very optimistic about the production we will get from Whaley and AA this year.  Throw in some production we'll be getting from redshirt players and transfers we have not seen much of to date and we've got the stuff that preseason dreams are made of.   :helmet:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: goporkyourself on July 28, 2017, 08:44:53 PM
I'm incredibly indifferent but I'm buying a new tv for my deck
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on July 28, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
The Pepsi machine goes in next week. #Uncommon
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 28, 2017, 09:02:40 PM
The Pepsi machine goes in next week. #Uncommon

Somebody said the concession stands will have Mountain Dew this year. I thought they already did, but if not, that's a positive.  Unless you're trying to watch your caffeine.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on July 28, 2017, 09:18:19 PM
Somebody said the concession stands will have Mountain Dew this year. I thought they already did, but if not, that's a positive.  Unless you're trying to watch your caffeine diabeetus.

fixt
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on July 28, 2017, 09:27:21 PM
I'll be watching and cheering, but I doubt I go to as many games this year.

Expecting good production from the offense, little production from the defense.  On a positive note, I'm excited to see how Agim and Greenlaw look.  We need them to be All SEC players to win 9.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 28, 2017, 09:45:01 PM
Keep an eye on Santos Ramiros I like the way he flies around in space.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DrMongoose on July 28, 2017, 10:04:48 PM
we'll all get sucked in at some point.

I hope the defense can make a stop when they need to in the 4th QTR. that would be progress.

Go Hogs!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 28, 2017, 10:30:37 PM
We've got more playmakers on defense than people think.
Agim taking on a bigger role could be a huge factor.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: wmr on July 28, 2017, 10:49:46 PM
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Sliver72 on July 28, 2017, 10:50:16 PM
I'll be indifferent. I love my hogs. I want so badly to be excited about the upcoming season...but until we learn how to finish out a game (especially not blowing BIG leads), I just can't. I'm trying really hard to can...but at this point, I just can't.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: gibraltar on July 28, 2017, 11:25:35 PM
I'll be indifferent. I love my hogs. I want so badly to be excited about the upcoming season...but until we learn how to finish out a game (especially not blowing BIG leads), I just can't. I'm trying really hard to can...but at this point, I just can't.
Until we can not take the foot off the gas in games we kinda have won, I agree.


Sucks to be a fan up 3 scores and know they are fixing to lose this shit.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogrock on July 28, 2017, 11:53:50 PM
Yawn......I'll believe it when I see it, not buying an ounce of hype from the coaches.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hatchclan on July 29, 2017, 04:07:34 AM
I am optimistic. Think the offense will be very good and the defense will improve throughout the year as they get accustomed to the 3-4. One thing that helps the offense is that this seems to be a down year for SEC defenses.

All that said: if we go 6-6 or worse I will jump off the Bret wagon.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on July 29, 2017, 04:41:33 AM
I have a feeling we will be a contender this year based purely on Hog fan instinct. We usually do well when nobody thinks we will be that good.

Having said that, I will enjoy the 7-5 season that I just jinxed us into.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on July 29, 2017, 07:10:31 AM
The trick is to get to that magical 7/8 win mark going into a bowl, that puts us into that liberty/Texas realm most of the time and we generally can win those bowls. If you win too many they expect it every time.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogfan58 on July 29, 2017, 07:29:45 AM
Our defense cannot be as bad as it was last year. I truly believe that.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on July 29, 2017, 07:55:11 AM
I am optimistic. Think the offense will be very good and the defense will improve throughout the year as they get accustomed to the 3-4. One thing that helps the offense is that this seems to be a down year for SEC defenses.

All that said: if we go 6-6 or worse I will jump off the Bret wagon.
We all know that Bert's teams start off slow, but how slow this year? How well will the players transition to the 3-4?

I am tired of starting off slow and having to wait till the end of the year for the team to improve.

Sorry to shit in the community kool-aid.



Sent while RMPL

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on July 29, 2017, 08:29:11 AM
i got nothing.  i'm struggling to maintain my apathy and keep any and all optimism at bay until real results show up against good teams.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TC on July 29, 2017, 08:33:40 AM
Muzzy's been noticeably absent.  Do we need to all pitch in and get him a new iPhone?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Chigurh on July 29, 2017, 08:49:39 AM
The final two games of last season left a lingering sensation of stomach acid in most fans' sinus cavity. It's hard to look ahead with optimism when the season before ended so horrifically.

Stadium expansion, last years' finish, the Auburn game, being Kevin Sumlin's bitch, and a load of other problems have got to be weighing heavily on Bert's shoulders. He's always struck me as a man who takes his job serious most of the time, but wants to have fun an equal amount of fun.

Play time is ovah. Better get your shit in order, Bert.     
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on July 29, 2017, 09:34:47 AM
In true Woopig fashion, it didn't take long for this thread to go negative.  *:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cove Hog on July 29, 2017, 09:57:07 AM
I just want to watch some football again.

I'll be hyped up for every game.  I'll be happy sometimes and I'll be disappointed sometimes, but I'll always be hyped up for the game.

Hi everybody.  I'm Cove Hog and I'm a homer.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 29, 2017, 10:10:33 AM
In true Woopig fashion, it didn't take long for this thread to go negative.  *:

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone feels the need to further explain why they're not optimistic.
It was a nice thought, author.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: dorkyporky on July 29, 2017, 11:05:36 AM
I asked and here it is:

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on July 29, 2017, 11:16:52 AM
https://youtu.be/w6iRNVwslM4
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Porkscrew Johnson on July 29, 2017, 11:44:23 AM
I am really excited for the season.  Who else would have thought of taking a kid recruited to play DL and move them to OL and then turn around the very next year and take a kid recruited to play OL and move them to play DL?  This is a great example of strategery. I can't wait to see this same high level thought process demonstrated through in game adjustments.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on July 29, 2017, 11:58:27 AM
The trick is to get to that magical 7/8 win mark going into a bowl, that puts us into that liberty/Texas realm most of the time and we generally can win those bowls. If you win too many they expect it every time.

If he could Frank Broyles would give you a thumbs up...what are thumbs?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogTat on July 29, 2017, 12:06:11 PM
Hi everybody.  I'm Cove Hog and I'm a homer.

Woopids version of a 12 step program begins!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on July 29, 2017, 01:00:58 PM
It's going to be a good year, just because so many of you hate Bert and want him gone. He's going to win big enough this year to keep his job for years in the future.  :dude1:

All trolling aside, our offense is going to be badass. We have some freshmen that are going to make special teams a threat. The defense can't possibly be worse. Unless the Razorback curse is in a foul mood, we're going to have a good year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on July 29, 2017, 01:57:04 PM
I am really excited for the season.  Who else would have thought of taking a kid recruited to play DL and move them to OL and then turn around the very next year and take a kid recruited to play OL and move them to play DL?  This is a great example of strategery. I can't wait to see this same high level thought process demonstrated through in game adjustments.

Before you make this your mantra sarcasm for the year, this actually happens just about everywhere. In fact, Frank Broyles himself was very famous for recruiting lots of high school qbs and converting them to all conference level players at other positions. This was copied by just about everybody in the 60's and 70's.

Most D-1 level offensive linemen concentrated on being defensive linemen in high school, and because of their athleticism are considered or solely recruited for the offensive line. Joe Ferguson was dropped from Hootie's staff because he insisted that Matt Jones should play WR only. Only after Matt got here and established himself as the best qb did Hootie decide to try and move him.

Darren McFadden has had a fairly decent pro career as a running back. He played qb in high school, and would probably be a Hall of Famer at Safety. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy DMac stayed at RB. I'm just saying position shifting isn't a flaw of this coaching staff. In my opinion.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on July 29, 2017, 02:27:07 PM
Recipe for success:

1. Have zero expectations
2. Celebrate wins
3. Dismiss losses and as soon as they're over change the channel to the best game on at the time
4. Drink beverage of choice

#winning #Coke #rightway #integrity #buffettsrule
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on July 29, 2017, 04:08:59 PM
I think we have a no BS defensive coordinator now. I'll bet he's not too stubborn to adjust when we're getting our brains beat in.

Rhoads interview(you also have to look at the disgusting Nate Allen the whole interview, so sorry)
http://www.wholehogsports.com/videos/2017/jul/28/13510/
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on July 29, 2017, 04:19:12 PM
Before you make this your mantra sarcasm for the year, this actually happens just about everywhere. In fact, Frank Broyles himself was very famous for recruiting lots of high school qbs and converting them to all conference level players at other positions. This was copied by just about everybody in the 60's and 70's.

Most D-1 level offensive linemen concentrated on being defensive linemen in high school, and because of their athleticism are considered or solely recruited for the offensive line. Joe Ferguson was dropped from Hootie's staff because he insisted that Matt Jones should play WR only. Only after Matt got here and established himself as the best qb did Hootie decide to try and move him.

Darren McFadden has had a fairly decent pro career as a running back. He played qb in high school, and would probably be a Hall of Famer at Safety. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy DMac stayed at RB. I'm just saying position shifting isn't a flaw of this coaching staff. In my opinion.
To back up what you're saying, watch De'vion Warrens hudl. He's going to be a star.

http://www.hudl.com/profile/2695386/devion-warren
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on July 29, 2017, 04:20:11 PM
Before you make this your mantra sarcasm for the year, this actually happens just about everywhere. In fact, Frank Broyles himself was very famous for recruiting lots of high school qbs and converting them to all conference level players at other positions. This was copied by just about everybody in the 60's and 70's.

Most D-1 level offensive linemen concentrated on being defensive linemen in high school, and because of their athleticism are considered or solely recruited for the offensive line. Joe Ferguson was dropped from Hootie's staff because he insisted that Matt Jones should play WR only. Only after Matt got here and established himself as the best qb did Hootie decide to try and move him.

Darren McFadden has had a fairly decent pro career as a running back. He played qb in high school, and would probably be a Hall of Famer at Safety. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy DMac stayed at RB. I'm just saying position shifting isn't a flaw of this coaching staff. In my opinion.

Wait a minute, how do you only have 999 posts?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TexZilla on July 29, 2017, 04:36:19 PM
I try to do this as the old man taught me.  We are undefeated until we're not.  We are on our way to a NC until we're not. And we're on our way to the (cotton bowl back then) until we're not.

I'll be optimistic outwardly but until proven different I'm concerned about a new defense, stamina with the o line, and the kicking game and special teams.


Also, I want to give away my iPhone for free.  Please message me for details.  If I don't answer within ~2 hours, please message me every hour or so until I respond.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on July 29, 2017, 09:52:28 PM

4. Drink beverage of choice

#winning #Pepsi #rightway #integrity #buffettsrule

Fixt.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Satch on July 29, 2017, 09:59:15 PM
I'm excited to find out if I should be excited or not.
This could be a really fun year.   :borat:
This could be worse than last year.   :haironfire:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on July 29, 2017, 10:18:06 PM
Austin Allen will deliver some brilliance that keeps us excited.
The rest of the team will be mediocre to average - on their good days.

We will miss a last-second field goal to lose the A&M game.  Bert will hand the ball to the refs before the play, and the snap will be fumbled because of all the popcorn butter.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on July 29, 2017, 10:35:30 PM
Austin Allen will deliver some brilliance that keeps us excited.
The rest of the team will be mediocre to average - on their good days.

We will miss a last-second field goal to lose the A&M game.  Bert will hand the ball to the refs before the play, and the snap will be fumbled because of all the popcorn butter.

Whaley will have 200 yards rushing on Thursday night at WMS. That's my only prediction so far this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on July 29, 2017, 10:51:23 PM
We're going 3-19.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 29, 2017, 10:54:26 PM
22-13 and just miss the tourney due to low RPI.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on July 30, 2017, 12:16:43 AM
I'll be indifferent. I love my hogs. I want so badly to be excited about the upcoming season...but until we learn how to finish out a game (especially not blowing BIG leads), I just can't. I'm trying really hard to can...but at this point, I just can't.
At least we were able to get the big leads before we blew those last 2 games. It'd be a larger issue if we weren't good enough to even get a big lead.

Any competitor worth his salt would take the offseason to work overtime to get better so that blowing 17+ point leads can't happen again.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on July 30, 2017, 07:30:14 AM


The rest of the team will be mediocre to average - on their good days.

Did you do that on purpose or did you not realize that mediocre and average mean the same thing?

me·di·o·cre
ˌmēdēˈōkər/
adjective

of only moderate quality; not very good.

"a mediocre actor"

synonyms:ordinary, average



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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on July 30, 2017, 09:55:26 AM
Trying to keep you on your toes  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: abypfcs on July 30, 2017, 03:42:05 PM
Before you make this your mantra sarcasm for the year, this actually happens just about everywhere. In fact, Frank Broyles himself was very famous for recruiting lots of high school qbs and converting them to all conference level players at other positions. This was copied by just about everybody in the 60's and 70's.

Most D-1 level offensive linemen concentrated on being defensive linemen in high school, and because of their athleticism are considered or solely recruited for the offensive line. Joe Ferguson was dropped from Hootie's staff because he insisted that Matt Jones should play WR only. Only after Matt got here and established himself as the best qb did Hootie decide to try and move him.

Darren McFadden has had a fairly decent pro career as a running back. He played qb in high school, and would probably be a Hall of Famer at Safety. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy DMac stayed at RB. I'm just saying position shifting isn't a flaw of this coaching staff. In my opinion.
Bear Bryant at Alabama also had many QB's on the squad that wound up playing other positions.  QB's in high school are often playing that position because they are the best athletes.  In my day, 2 of the QB's in Cedar Rapids, went on to play for Iowa at Linebacker and Defensive end.  Dave Long, QB at my high school played for 10 years in the NFL at DE for St Louis Cardinals and New Orleans Saints.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Porkscrew Johnson on July 30, 2017, 05:08:45 PM
I am not suggesting that position changes, at times, are not necessary or desirable.  Many changes have produced great results.  But I question this coach's reasoning in this specific circumstance.  First, you have a four star rated DL kid out of high school with very limited experience in American football.  You have some four star rated kids on the team with much more experience playing in backup roles on the offensive line.  So, you take the kid off the D-line and make a position change to the OL. Not only make the change but you place him in a starting role immediately, ahead of other four star talent with much more experience in the position.  And, he struggles.  OL positions are very difficult positions to play, even for kids with much more experience, coaching and training.  The season concludes.  Then, you announce that you are changing your entire defensive scheme due to the need to match it to the available personnel, specifically citing numbers on the DL. And, in this scheme, you are further exposing a position which has in recent history been less than stellar (LB) in terms of quality numbers. Next, you take a three star OL recruit that played some defense in high school and move him to DL to develop into the rotation for numbers. I am sorry if I am not buying into the story line at this point in the year. I truly hope that I am completely wrong on my concerns. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on July 30, 2017, 05:13:52 PM
Most of the time I think like most programs...we get thin at a position group and end up hoping like hell someone can move over and hold a position down. Again this is going to sound like a broken record but in YEAR 5 that sort of shit shouldn't happen that often. I have no problem with position switches, I just don't want to feel like we have a staff that never seems to figure out where to put the guys they recruited.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on July 30, 2017, 05:45:20 PM
Not to mention the effect the big Danish matador had on Allen last year.  By the end of the year that kid was a shell of the confident gunslinger he started the year as.  And 80% of the problem could be laid right at the feet of the Froholdt experiment.  I've never seen a lineman give up so many sacks where he didn't even touch his man.  I really hope Allen wasn't ruined.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on July 30, 2017, 06:05:58 PM
Phil Steele has us having a high chance to have an equal to or greater than win total from last year FWIW.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on July 30, 2017, 08:52:14 PM
Phil Steele has us having a high chance to have an equal to or greater than win total from last year FWIW.

Do they get rings for winning 7?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on July 30, 2017, 10:35:28 PM
It was known that Froholdt was raw and that it would be a work in progress in terms of finding a long term position for him. Let's quit acting like moving him around is akin to bringing in Jadeveon Clowney and yanking him all over the field.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on July 30, 2017, 11:14:00 PM
It was known that Froholdt was raw and that it would be a work in progress in terms of finding a long term position for him. Let's quit acting like moving him around is akin to bringing in Jadeveon Clowney and yanking him all over the field.

I gotta agree with you on this. If the kid was only in his 4th or 5th year of playing football, one would have to expect Frodo to be moved around. It's not like he had mastered DT, he was likely very raw there as well and we just didn't see it. In HS he could excel by overpowering his opponents.

Nothing to see here.

Place kicking on the other hand, what the fuck?!?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on July 31, 2017, 06:29:59 AM
I don't think they're going to make Froholdt into a place kicker
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on July 31, 2017, 07:03:26 AM
I gotta agree with you on this. If the kid was only in his 4th or 5th year of playing football, one would have to expect Frodo to be moved around. It's not like he had mastered DT, he was likely very raw there as well and we just didn't see it. In HS he could excel by overpowering his opponents.

Nothing to see here.

Place kicking on the other hand, what the fuck?!?
.

 Wing raw on the defensive line is one thing, being raw in the offensive line?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on July 31, 2017, 07:06:43 AM
Once he figured out he's supposed to be preventing the rush and instead of aiding in it...he did ok.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on July 31, 2017, 07:09:59 AM
Once he figured out he's supposed to be preventing the rush and instead of aiding in it...he did ok.

You would think they would spring for a Danish to Hoganese translator
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on July 31, 2017, 07:38:19 AM
Do they get rings for winning 7?
Only if 7 wins the west.  I was surprised to read that, and it was published after Williams went down.  I figured with the production we were losing and with the close finishes he would have shown us to be primed for a fall.  I don't claim to understand his math but he's usually got a pretty good handle on things as far as predicting the future goes.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: billy_ocean_fan on July 31, 2017, 08:47:37 AM
I'll need to see teh 2017 edition of "When the Lights Come ON, The Freaks Come OUT!!!!" before I can make any positive predictions for success. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on July 31, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
Only if 7 wins the west.  I was surprised to read that, and it was published after Williams went down.  I figured with the production we were losing and with the close finishes he would have shown us to be primed for a fall.  I don't claim to understand his math but he's usually got a pretty good handle on things as far as predicting the future goes.

Is he not sold on some of the higher ranked programs?  I used to read his stuff and enjoyed it but seems like he was picking us low during Petrino and we ended up doing a lot better so I didn't really follow him.  Maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Wooisme on July 31, 2017, 02:13:02 PM
I'll need to see teh 2017 edition of "When the Lights Come ON, The Freaks Come OUT!!!!" before I can make any positive predictions for success.

You'll change your "hatin'" tone just as soon as you see this year's Jamario Bell "lights on-freak out" performance!    :suicide:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on July 31, 2017, 02:58:28 PM
three certain wins - FL A&M, New Mexico St., Coastal Carolina

three certain losses - @Alabama, @LSU, Auburn

three lean wins - @Ole Miss, Miss St., Missouri

three lean losses - TCU, (n)Texas A&M, @So Car


Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: razorwire on July 31, 2017, 03:42:43 PM
three certain wins - FL A&M, New Mexico St., Coastal Carolina

three certain losses - @Alabama, @LSU, Auburn

three lean wins - @Ole Miss, Miss St., Missouri

three lean losses - TCU, (n)Texas A&M, @So Car
We had better be careful with CCU.  Even though head Coach Moglia will be on a health leave when we play them, they are solid.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on July 31, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
We had better be careful with CCU.  Even though head Coach Moglia will be on a health leave when we play them, they are solid.
Great. So is that the game where we get Toledo'ed this year? Came perilously close to that  last year with La. Tech. :haironfire:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on July 31, 2017, 03:58:52 PM
Great. So is that the game where we get Toledo'ed this year? Came perilously close to that  last year with La. Tech. :haironfire:

That was the game I went to last year. It was awful. I was so pissed I wrote a big thread rant against Austin Allen that I later had to eat.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on July 31, 2017, 04:09:53 PM
Great. So is that the game where we get Toledo'ed this year? Came perilously close to that  last year with La. Tech. :haironfire:

He gets Toledo'd in year five I will help gather boxes.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hog_Corleone on July 31, 2017, 04:21:44 PM
He gets Toledo'd in year five I will help gather boxes.

That would be called getting Citadel'd.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on July 31, 2017, 07:43:57 PM
If he gets Florida A&Med I think we will all be happy to help pay the moving expenses.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on July 31, 2017, 07:56:40 PM
If he gets Florida A&Med I think we will all be happy to help pay the moving expenses.
I hope he does not get Rattled at the Rock, which was where he was Toledo'ed.

Sent while RMPL

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on July 31, 2017, 08:02:31 PM
I forgot this is supposed to be the sunshine pumper thread so we should just chill out. Any good practice reports out there? I haven't been on twitter today.

Why is it NFL network can have live coverage of team practices but colleges think someone is going to steal their playbook if there is film of 3 guys playing grab ass while waiting for a coach to explain 3 points of pressure?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Jostlyn McCocksack on July 31, 2017, 08:35:11 PM
Agree with Austin keeping it close....but barring some major injuries from other teams, we are going to win five games this season.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on July 31, 2017, 08:45:02 PM
I forgot this is supposed to be the sunshine pumper thread so we should just chill out. Any good practice reports out there?
Actually yes, Bert made speed a priority in this last class. I'm sure that will be a priority in all future classes.

Wholehogsports and SECCountry both have good reporting now that there's competition. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on July 31, 2017, 11:09:19 PM
Actually yes, Bert made speed a priority in this last class. I'm sure that will be a priority in all future classes.

Wholehogsports and SECCountry both have good reporting now that there's competition.

Well; then there is hope.  Our esteemed fatass coach only took four years to figure out that speed is important in the SEC.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: wmr on August 01, 2017, 12:17:23 AM
Bert needs to beat the Aggies.  I won't emotionally invest until that happens.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 01, 2017, 06:21:30 AM
Bert still thinks a 3 cone drill involves ice cream
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hatchclan on August 01, 2017, 06:26:58 AM
Bert still thinks a 3 cone drill involves ice cream
:maundoed:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 01, 2017, 06:28:38 AM
Bert still thinks a 3 cone drill involves ice cream

Just think if Chris Farley was still around and they redid the skit where Phil Hartman as Clinton goes into a McDonalds except Farley is Bielema. That would be awesome.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: CharlieHog on August 01, 2017, 07:45:17 AM
I don't know which 7 games we'll win but I'm pretty confident we'll win 7.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 01, 2017, 08:08:04 AM
I don't know which 7 games we'll win but I'm pretty confident we'll win 7.

Alabama, Auburn, LSU, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miss State, and Florida A&M.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 01, 2017, 08:09:45 AM
Agree with Austin keeping it close....but barring some major injuries from other teams, we are going to win five games this season.

Sweet!

Order the championship rings Bert!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 01, 2017, 08:36:19 AM
How on earth can some of you not refrain from shitting all over a thread that's purposefully created to not attract negativity?
Can there really not be just one thread that isn't filled to the brim with that shit?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 01, 2017, 08:47:24 AM
How on earth can some of you not refrain from shitting all over a thread that's purposefully created to not attract negativity?
Can there really not be just one thread that isn't filled to the brim with that shit?
Apparent not. Being pissed off and negative all the time is what all the cool kids are doing.

Agree with Austin keeping it close....but barring some major injuries from other teams, we are going to win five games this season.
You should load up on the under 7 wins the Hogs in Vegas then. Easy money, right?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 01, 2017, 08:53:07 AM
How on earth can some of you not refrain from shitting all over a thread that's purposefully created to not attract negativity?
Can there really not be just one thread that isn't filled to the brim with that shit?

Why do you have to look at things so negatively? I see lots of hope for 5+ wins posted in this thread. 

Shirley you don't expect unrealistic nobville mouthbreather enthusiasm from this lot.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 01, 2017, 09:04:34 AM
Why do you have to look at things so negatively? I see lots of hope for 5+ wins posted in this thread. 

Shirley you don't expect unrealistic nobville mouthbreather enthusiasm from this lot.
Hope for 5+ wins? We won 7 last year (and blew 2 others) with a awful run D and a below avg/young OL. Now 4 starters on OL are back, D has a new DC and we can't be any worse vs the run. Despite those deficiencies we were still good enough to roughshod the SEC East champs. I just don't get all the doom and gloom 5 or 6 win predictions.

We won't be worse than last year in 2017. We'll win 7 or 8 in regular season and we'll beat the Aggies.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: razorwire on August 01, 2017, 09:06:58 AM
Due to fact that the season has not started, only 8 or 9 wins will be satisfactory at this point. :helmet:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 01, 2017, 09:14:56 AM
Hope for 5+ wins? We won 7 last year (and blew 2 others) with a gawd-awful run D and a below avg/young OL. Now 4 starters on OL are back, D has a new DC and we can't be any worse vs the run. Despite those deficiencies we were still good enough to roughshod the SEC East champs. I just don't get all the doom and gloom 5 or 6 win predictions.

We won't be worse than last year in 2017. We'll win 7 or 8 in regular season and we'll beat the Aggies.

Doom and gloom? 5+ wins is pretty good for a team in the SEC west with a solid non-con schedule. That's almost a guaranteed bowl game.

You must be a glass half empty kind of guy.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 01, 2017, 09:29:02 AM
Why do you have to look at things so negatively? I see lots of hope for 5+ wins posted in this thread. 

Shirley you don't expect unrealistic nobville mouthbreather enthusiasm from this lot.

Yeah, people aren't posting 5-win predictions as some harbinger of success.
The sarcasm is dripping all over the place.

We don't need mouthbreather enthusiasm, it would just be nice to have one or two threads that aren't full of raging negativity.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 01, 2017, 09:31:41 AM
Yeah, people aren't posting 5-win predictions as some harbinger of success.
The sarcasm is dripping all over the place.

We don't need mouthbreather enthusiasm, it would just be nice to have one or two threads that aren't full of raging negativity.

Hard to do with the aftertaste of those last 2 games still fresh in our mouths. :haironfire:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 01, 2017, 09:33:44 AM
Hard to do with the aftertaste of those last 2 games still fresh in our mouths. :haironfire:
Yes and the board is full of threads where people are rehashing that thought over and over and over.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 01, 2017, 09:35:24 AM
I think 5 wins is a worthy goal.  Coach Bielema is doing a fine job cleaning up the Petrino train wreck.  I'm happy with his progress in year 5 of his 15 year tenure.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 01, 2017, 09:44:51 AM
Woopig sucks right now. Being negative is one thing but the same ole insults and whining is very tired. Woopig used to be a lot more fun to read when it came to Razorback sports.

I'm with Colboar that this one thread could have been a nice place to discuss the season and players who could contribute this year. Instead, we get Whyte Bore and others being a bunch of fuckheads...again.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 01, 2017, 09:52:42 AM
Woopig sucks right now. Being negative is one thing but the same ole insults and whining is very tired. Woopig used to be a lot more fun to read when it came to Razorback sports.

I'm with Colboar that this one thread could have been a nice place to discuss the season and players who could contribute this year. Instead, we get Whyte Bore and others being a bunch of fuckheads...again.

Winning cures all ills.

I think we will win at least 7 games but I don't think we beat A&M.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 01, 2017, 09:55:57 AM
Woopig sucks right now. Being negative is one thing but the same ole insults and whining is very tired. Woopig used to be a lot more fun to read when it came to Razorback sports.

I'm with Colboar that this one thread could have been a nice place to discuss the season and players who could contribute this year. Instead, we get Whyte Bore and others being a bunch of fuckheads...again.

Quit being a Negative Nancy.  I'm looking forward to our five wins and our almost bowl worthy season.  If you can't enjoy that, you're not much of a Hog fan.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: mde114 on August 01, 2017, 10:41:20 AM
Quit being a Negative Nancy.  I'm looking forward to our five wins and our almost bowl worthy season.  If you can't enjoy that, you're not much of a Hog fan.

You're forgetting the satisfaction of academic success and thrill of "Freaks Come Out at Night" one legged squat videos!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 01, 2017, 10:42:30 AM

You're forgetting the satisfaction of academic success and thrill of "Freaks Come Out at Night" one legged squat videos!

I forgot those!  I'm just happy to be doing it the right way this time around.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: mde114 on August 01, 2017, 10:44:54 AM
Throwin' the "A" and hoganese!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: USAFHawg on August 01, 2017, 10:46:23 AM
This thread shows why I miss the UnderWorld.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 01, 2017, 10:47:43 AM
This thread shows why I miss the UnderWorld.
I miss it and I never even knew it existed.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 01, 2017, 10:54:27 AM
Quit being a Negative Nancy.  I'm looking forward to our five wins and our almost bowl worthy season.  If you can't enjoy that, you're not much of a Hog fan.
Did a fat kid beat you up every day in elementary school? You sure have a hatred of fat people.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 01, 2017, 11:07:18 AM
have we lost any games yet?  no?  ok, then shut the fuck up you pissants.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 01, 2017, 11:13:22 AM
have we lost any games yet?  no?  ok, then shut the fuck up you pissants.

Just think how miserable some these people will be if Bert wins 10+ games.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: CharlieHog on August 01, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
Just think how miserable some these people will be if Bert wins 10+ games.


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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 01, 2017, 11:55:44 AM

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It's not like I said 10lbs.  :stache:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Jostlyn McCocksack on August 01, 2017, 01:07:49 PM
Upon actually looking at the schedule, five is low balling....but ty yeah all things considered I think 6-6 is probably about what we end up at....

Not being negative at all. I like BB and think Austin is a hell of a qb....Enos is a hell of a coordinator...he has done so much with what his had...

Bama auburn and LSU are noes...although I do think auburn could fall back if stidham gets hurt....

Misstake has a savvy QB...TCU has a great coach.....so I don't assume either of those as wins

A and M just has more talent....

Ole miss is a road game but surely we get
That one and mizzou

I'm with Charlie...it'll be one of those years.....
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on August 01, 2017, 01:41:56 PM
If we could somehow beat TCU and A&M and scare Bama for 3 quarters than that will put us back on top of the SWC.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 01, 2017, 01:46:29 PM
You want optimism?  In my dreams it plays out like this. 
15-0 and National Champs.  Whaley wins the Doak Walker, Enos wins the Broyles, Bert wins the COTY,  while Ragnow wins the Outland, and the Rimington.
Week 1: We win a blowout over Fla A&M.  Starters pulled at halftime.  Hogs 63 - Rattlers 17
Week2: We keep the foot on the gas at home against TCU.  We win that one by 35.  Hogs 56 - Frogs 21
Week 3: We take our bye week early and rest up for the game against A&M in Jerry World. 
Week 4: A&M jumps out to a three score lead but we battle back and win on a last minute field goal.  Hogs 37 Aggies 35.  Is that optimism I smell?
Week 5: We put a 50 point beating on NM State 60-10
Week 6: We then travel to SoCar for a top 20 matchup  against also undefeated South Carolina.  In a tough one we win 21-14 behind Whaley's 200+ rushing yards. 
Week 7: Undefeated and #13 in the country against undefeated and #1 Alabama.   The Hogs make things look easy.  We jump out to a lead from the first score and cruise to a win.  Hogs 37 Tide 17.  The Dragon has been slayed.  Bama's season tanks and as they lose to us, LSU, Auburn, and  lose their bowl game to Oklahoma State.
Week 8: #7Auburn @ #8 Arkansas.  A back and forth affair.  We trade scores and the lead several time in the first half.  Then Austin Allen goes ape shit and passes for 400 yards and 4 touchdowns to build and insurmountable lead in the 4th.  Hogs win 55 - 24.
Week 9: The Hogs jump to #5 in the country and travel to Oxford for a classic trap game that never comes to fruition.  Hogs lead from horn to horn 48 -7
Week 10: CCU plays a great first half and keeps it close until we blow it open in the 3rd.  Hogs 42  Weird Chicken things 21.
Week 11: #4 Arkansas @ #3 LSU.  LSU is riding high after beating Alabama the week before.  In a barn burner the Hogs win 35 - 31 on a TD catch with less than a minute to play.
Week 12:  #4 Arkansas  vs  MSU at home.  MSU jumps out to a lead and they move the ball well.  Allen and the O struggle in the first half.  Rhodes and the defense adjust in the second half to shut down the MSU offense and out offense comes alive. Hogs win going away 42 -20.
Week 13: #4 Arkansas vs Mizzou.  Hogs dominate from the opening horn.  Austin Allen sets a school record with 8 TD passes in 3 quarters.  The backups score a couple more and Froholdt and Ragnow prison rape Beisel for 3 quarters.  Bert hangs 72 on the fighting Odoms of Mizzou.   ARK 72 - Mizzou 14

SEC CHAMPIONSHIP: Hogs play two loss #12 Georgia in Atlanta for the SEC crown and a trip to the CFP.  Enos calls an inspired game and the Hogs win on a turnover on downs after Cheney calls a TE screen on 4th and goal from the 4.  Hogs 31 - Dogs 27.
Despite being undefeated the polls keep the Hogs at #4 as the SEC is perceived as "down" this year because none of the premier programs have won it.  The media debates jumping a 1 loss Michigan over undefeated Arkansas after a close last second #5 Michigan loss to #1Ohio State. 

CFP Semis -  #4ARK vs #1Ohio State is a back and forth game through the 3rd quarter.  Whaley closes the game out with a quarter Hog fans haven't seen since LSU 2010.  Bert bleeds the clock dry and the Hogs win 38-28.
 
                 -#3 Louisville vs #2 USC.  Louisville lights up the scoreboard both on the ground and through the air.  Lamar Jackson passes for 400 yards and rushes for 150.  He has 6 overall TDs and Louisville outlasts the Trojans 56-42 setting up a grudge match of Petrion vs Bert in the CFP National Championship game. 


CFP Title game- The batle for Jeff Long's soul.  Undefeated #4 Arkansas vs Undefeated #3 Louisville.  Petrino calls a masterful game.  Enos calls the game of his life.  Lamar Jackson and Austin Allen account for 11 touchdowns.  Louisville has a late lead but Sosa causes a turnover for a TD and defense manages to stop the Cardinals after the Petrion costs his team 15 yards for accosting an official.  With less than 2 minutes left Austin Allen leads a drive that will forever be remembered and with only seconds left he hits Cheyenne O'Grady in the end zone for a TD and the win.  Hogs 48 - Cards 45.   
 

NOW...In real life we win 8, but look competitive in every loss.  We'll lose a close one to TCU but we finally beat the collie fuckers.  We'll beat NM State but South Carolina will beat us because we're looking ahead to Bama.  And we still won't beat Bama but we'll play well enough to keep the optimists from jumping off the wagon.  A .500 record will still give the pessimists all the ammo they need to beat the Fire Bert drum.   Then we go on a run.  Somehow we edge out Auburn.  We shit stomp Ole Miss.  Then beat Coastal Carolina in a closer game than most of us will like.  We'll lost to LSU but play well enough to be in it at the end.  We'll close it out with a win in Starkville and at home against Mizzou.  8-4  season.  Just outside the top 25 and a bowl game in Nashville, Memphis, Houston, or Shreveport.         
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Doc on August 01, 2017, 01:48:24 PM
I'll take a crack at optimism:

FLORIDA A&M: Win
TCU: Win
Texas A&M: Win
NEW MEXICO STATE: Win
South Carolina: Win
Alabama: lol
AUBURN: Loss
Ole Miss: Win
COASTAL CAROLINA: Win
LSU: Loss
MISSISSIPPI STATE: Win
MISSOURI: Win

(9-3 (5-3))

Realism:
FLORIDA A&M: Win
TCU: Win
Texas A&M: Loss
NEW MEXICO STATE: Win
South Carolina: Loss
Alabama: lol
AUBURN: Loss
Ole Miss: Win
COASTAL CAROLINA: Win
LSU: Loss
MISSISSIPPI STATE: Loss
MISSOURI: Win

(6-6 (2-6))
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Doc on August 01, 2017, 01:53:40 PM
You want optimism?  In my dreams it plays out like this. 
15-0 and National Champs.  Whaley wins the Doak Walker, Enos wins the Broyles, Bert wins the COTY,  while Ragnow wins the Outland, and the Rimington.
Week 1: We win a blowout over Fla A&M.  Starters pulled at halftime.  Hogs 63 - Rattlers 17
Week2: We keep the foot on the gas at home against TCU.  We win that one by 35.  Hogs 56 - Frogs 21
Week 3: We take our bye week early and rest up for the game against A&M in Jerry World. 
Week 4: A&M jumps out to a three score lead but we battle back and win on a last minute field goal.  Hogs 37 Aggies 35.  Is that optimism I smell?
Week 5: We put a 50 point beating on NM State 60-10
Week 6: We then travel to SoCar for a top 20 matchup  against also undefeated South Carolina.  In a tough one we win 21-14 behind Whaley's 200+ rushing yards. 
Week 7: Undefeated and #13 in the country against undefeated and #1 Alabama.   The Hogs make things look easy.  We jump out to a lead from the first score and cruise to a win.  Hogs 37 Tide 17.  The Dragon has been slayed.  Bama's season tanks and as they lose to us, LSU, Auburn, and  lose their bowl game to Oklahoma State.
Week 8: #7Auburn @ #8 Arkansas.  A back and forth affair.  We trade scores and the lead several time in the first half.  Then Austin Allen goes ape shit and passes for 400 yards and 4 touchdowns to build and insurmountable lead in the 4th.  Hogs win 55 - 24.
Week 9: The Hogs jump to #5 in the country and travel to Oxford for a classic trap game that never comes to fruition.  Hogs lead from horn to horn 48 -7
Week 10: CCU plays a great first half and keeps it close until we blow it open in the 3rd.  Hogs 42  Weird Chicken things 21.
Week 11: #4 Arkansas @ #3 LSU.  LSU is riding high after beating Alabama the week before.  In a barn burner the Hogs win 35 - 31 on a TD catch with less than a minute to play.
Week 12:  #4 Arkansas  vs  MSU at home.  MSU jumps out to a lead and they move the ball well.  Allen and the O struggle in the first half.  Rhodes and the defense adjust in the second half to shut down the MSU offense and out offense comes alive. Hogs win going away 42 -20.
Week 13: #4 Arkansas vs Mizzou.  Hogs dominate from the opening horn.  Austin Allen sets a school record with 8 TD passes in 3 quarters.  The backups score a couple more and Froholdt and Ragnow prison rape Beisel for 3 quarters.  Bert hangs 72 on the fighting Odoms of Mizzou.   ARK 72 - Mizzou 14

SEC CHAMPIONSHIP: Hogs play two loss #12 Georgia in Atlanta for the SEC crown and a trip to the CFP.  Enos calls an inspired game and the Hogs win on a turnover on downs after Cheney calls a TE screen on 4th and goal from the 4.  Hogs 31 - Dogs 27.
Despite being undefeated the polls keep the Hogs at #4 as the SEC is perceived as "down" this year because none of the premier programs have won it.  The media debates jumping a 1 loss Michigan over undefeated Arkansas after a close last second #5 Michigan loss to #1Ohio State. 

CFP Semis -  #4ARK vs #1Ohio State is a back and forth game through the 3rd quarter.  Whaley closes the game out with a quarter Hog fans haven't seen since LSU 2010.  Bert bleeds the clock dry and the Hogs win 38-28.
 
                 -#3 Louisville vs #2 USC.  Louisville lights up the scoreboard both on the ground and through the air.  Lamar Jackson passes for 400 yards and rushes for 150.  He has 6 overall TDs and Louisville outlasts the Trojans 56-42 setting up a grudge match of Petrion vs Bert in the CFP National Championship game. 


CFP Title game- The batle for Jeff Long's soul.  Undefeated #4 Arkansas vs Undefeated #3 Louisville.  Petrino calls a masterful game.  Enos calls the game of his life.  Lamar Jackson and Austin Allen account for 11 touchdowns.  Louisville has a late lead but Sosa causes a turnover for a TD and defense manages to stop the Cardinals after the Petrion costs his team 15 yards for accosting an official.  With less than 2 minutes left Austin Allen leads a drive that will forever be remembered and with only seconds left he hits Cheyenne O'Grady in the end zone for a TD and the win.  Hogs 48 - Cards 45.   
 

NOW...In real life we win 8, but look competitive in every loss.  We'll lose a close one to TCU but we finally beat the collie fuckers.  We'll beat NM State but South Carolina will beat us because we're looking ahead to Bama.  And we still won't beat Bama but we'll play well enough to keep the optimists from jumping off the wagon.  A .500 record will still give the pessimists all the ammo they need to beat the Fire Bert drum.   Then we go on a run.  Somehow we edge out Auburn.  We shit stomp Ole Miss.  Then beat Coastal Carolina in a closer game than most of us will like.  We'll lost to LSU but play well enough to be in it at the end.  We'll close it out with a win in Starkville and at home against Mizzou.  8-4  season.  Just outside the top 25 and a bowl game in Nashville, Memphis, Houston, or Shreveport.       
You may have a career in writing fictional erotic novels.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 01, 2017, 01:54:05 PM
Charlie and I have the same assessment of Bert's ability to win 10 games.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 01, 2017, 01:59:06 PM
I've seen nothing to make me enthusiastic about this season.  Sure, I'll watch and cheer. But the losses don't sting as bad when you don't get your hopes up. IIRC, I was spot on the last 2 seasons. Until they prove me wrong: 6-6.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 01, 2017, 01:59:39 PM
Charlie and I have the same assessment of Bert's ability to win 10 games.

he won 10+ four times at Wisconsin.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on August 01, 2017, 02:00:39 PM
Woopig was fun again for about a week when Nutt rubbed his taint all over Freeze and LOL Miss, but then fall practice started and Bert Fat jokes and We Gonna Suck posters came back.  :haironfire:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Sliver72 on August 01, 2017, 02:01:35 PM
A bit off topic, but...is it bad that Charlie's gif makes me want to bang Jennifer Lawrence even more than I did before I saw it?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 01, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
he won 10+ four times at Wisconsin.

This ain't Wisconsin and he ain't winning 10 here.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 01, 2017, 02:05:15 PM
Woopig was fun again for about a week when Nutt rubbed his taint all over Freeze and LOL Miss, but then fall practice started and Bert Fat jokes and We Gonna Suck posters came back.  :haironfire:

Truth.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 01, 2017, 02:09:11 PM
This ain't Wisconsin and he ain't winning 10 here.

You got 1 out of 2 predictions right here, Arkansas is, in fact, not Wisconsin.

Winning 10 at Arkansas in the SEC is tough and hasn't been done very many times so you might be right about Bielema.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 01, 2017, 02:11:56 PM
he won 10+ four times at Wisconsin.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 01, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
I've seen nothing to make me enthusiastic about this season.  Sure, I'll watch and cheer. But the losses don't sting as bad when you don't get your hopes up. IIRC, I was spot on the last 2 seasons. Until they prove me wrong: 6-6.
So you predicted 7-5 last year (not saying you didn't), proved correct and now think we will be worst this year?

Personally I bet $100 in Vegas last year on under 7 wins and got a push out of it. I'm betting over 7 this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 01, 2017, 03:06:42 PM
So you predicted 7-5 last year (not saying you didn't), proved correct and now think we will be worst this year?

Personally I bet $100 in Vegas last year on under 7 wins and got a push out of it. I'm betting over 7 this year.
Yes, I predicted 7-5 last year. Should've been 8-4 and would've been glad to be wrong, but Mizzou saved their best for last.

Why would we be better?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 01, 2017, 03:10:22 PM
You want optimism?  In my dreams it plays out like this. 
15-0 and National Champs.  Whaley wins the Doak Walker, Enos wins the Broyles, Bert wins the COTY,  while Ragnow wins the Outland, and the Rimington.
Week 1: We win a blowout over Fla A&M.  Starters pulled at halftime.  Hogs 63 - Rattlers 17
Week2: We keep the foot on the gas at home against TCU.  We win that one by 35.  Hogs 56 - Frogs 21
Week 3: We take our bye week early and rest up for the game against A&M in Jerry World. 
Week 4: A&M jumps out to a three score lead but we battle back and win on a last minute field goal.  Hogs 37 Aggies 35.  Is that optimism I smell?
Week 5: We put a 50 point beating on NM State 60-10
Week 6: We then travel to SoCar for a top 20 matchup  against also undefeated South Carolina.  In a tough one we win 21-14 behind Whaley's 200+ rushing yards. 
Week 7: Undefeated and #13 in the country against undefeated and #1 Alabama.   The Hogs make things look easy.  We jump out to a lead from the first score and cruise to a win.  Hogs 37 Tide 17.  The Dragon has been slayed.  Bama's season tanks and as they lose to us, LSU, Auburn, and  lose their bowl game to Oklahoma State.
Week 8: #7Auburn @ #8 Arkansas.  A back and forth affair.  We trade scores and the lead several time in the first half.  Then Austin Allen goes ape shit and passes for 400 yards and 4 touchdowns to build and insurmountable lead in the 4th.  Hogs win 55 - 24.
Week 9: The Hogs jump to #5 in the country and travel to Oxford for a classic trap game that never comes to fruition.  Hogs lead from horn to horn 48 -7
Week 10: CCU plays a great first half and keeps it close until we blow it open in the 3rd.  Hogs 42  Weird Chicken things 21.
Week 11: #4 Arkansas @ #3 LSU.  LSU is riding high after beating Alabama the week before.  In a barn burner the Hogs win 35 - 31 on a TD catch with less than a minute to play.
Week 12:  #4 Arkansas  vs  MSU at home.  MSU jumps out to a lead and they move the ball well.  Allen and the O struggle in the first half.  Rhodes and the defense adjust in the second half to shut down the MSU offense and out offense comes alive. Hogs win going away 42 -20.
Week 13: #4 Arkansas vs Mizzou.  Hogs dominate from the opening horn.  Austin Allen sets a school record with 8 TD passes in 3 quarters.  The backups score a couple more and Froholdt and Ragnow prison rape Beisel for 3 quarters.  Bert hangs 72 on the fighting Odoms of Mizzou.   ARK 72 - Mizzou 14

SEC CHAMPIONSHIP: Hogs play two loss #12 Georgia in Atlanta for the SEC crown and a trip to the CFP.  Enos calls an inspired game and the Hogs win on a turnover on downs after Cheney calls a TE screen on 4th and goal from the 4.  Hogs 31 - Dogs 27.
Despite being undefeated the polls keep the Hogs at #4 as the SEC is perceived as "down" this year because none of the premier programs have won it.  The media debates jumping a 1 loss Michigan over undefeated Arkansas after a close last second #5 Michigan loss to #1Ohio State. 

CFP Semis -  #4ARK vs #1Ohio State is a back and forth game through the 3rd quarter.  Whaley closes the game out with a quarter Hog fans haven't seen since LSU 2010.  Bert bleeds the clock dry and the Hogs win 38-28.
 
                 -#3 Louisville vs #2 USC.  Louisville lights up the scoreboard both on the ground and through the air.  Lamar Jackson passes for 400 yards and rushes for 150.  He has 6 overall TDs and Louisville outlasts the Trojans 56-42 setting up a grudge match of Petrion vs Bert in the CFP National Championship game. 


CFP Title game- The batle for Jeff Long's soul.  Undefeated #4 Arkansas vs Undefeated #3 Louisville.  Petrino calls a masterful game.  Enos calls the game of his life.  Lamar Jackson and Austin Allen account for 11 touchdowns.  Louisville has a late lead but Sosa causes a turnover for a TD and defense manages to stop the Cardinals after the Petrion costs his team 15 yards for accosting an official.  With less than 2 minutes left Austin Allen leads a drive that will forever be remembered and with only seconds left he hits Cheyenne O'Grady in the end zone for a TD and the win.  Hogs 48 - Cards 45.   
 

NOW...In real life we win 8, but look competitive in every loss.  We'll lose a close one to TCU but we finally beat the collie fuckers.  We'll beat NM State but South Carolina will beat us because we're looking ahead to Bama.  And we still won't beat Bama but we'll play well enough to keep the optimists from jumping off the wagon.  A .500 record will still give the pessimists all the ammo they need to beat the Fire Bert drum.   Then we go on a run.  Somehow we edge out Auburn.  We shit stomp Ole Miss.  Then beat Coastal Carolina in a closer game than most of us will like.  We'll lost to LSU but play well enough to be in it at the end.  We'll close it out with a win in Starkville and at home against Mizzou.  8-4  season.  Just outside the top 25 and a bowl game in Nashville, Memphis, Houston, or Shreveport.       

The Sunshine is strong in this one.

I could buy into this until the Bama at Bama game.  That's one game the Sunshine won't penetrate.

Fun post though.  If we have the miracle season, we need to resurrect this post.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 01, 2017, 03:27:34 PM
Yes, I predicted 7-5 last year. Should've been 8-4 and would've been glad to be wrong, but Mizzou saved their best for last.

Why would we be better?
I think the OL will be improved this year with 4 returning starters and 2 others with starting experience. Last season we were breaking in 3 new starters, one of which had never played the position 6 months prior. If Allen gets more time our O will be much better and those big leads we had won't evaporate. Run D has nowhere to go but up. Surely Rhodes is smart enough in this new scheme to not let every QB run for 100+yds against us.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 01, 2017, 03:38:49 PM
You want optimism?  In my dreams it plays out like this. 
15-0 and National Champs.  Whaley wins the Doak Walker, Enos wins the Broyles, Bert wins the COTY,  while Ragnow wins the Outland, and the Rimington.
Week 1: We win a blowout over Fla A&M.  Starters pulled at halftime.  Hogs 63 - Rattlers 17
Week2: We keep the foot on the gas at home against TCU.  We win that one by 35.  Hogs 56 - Frogs 21
Week 3: We take our bye week early and rest up for the game against A&M in Jerry World. 
Week 4: A&M jumps out to a three score lead but we battle back and win on a last minute field goal.  Hogs 37 Aggies 35.  Is that optimism I smell?
Week 5: We put a 50 point beating on NM State 60-10
Week 6: We then travel to SoCar for a top 20 matchup  against also undefeated South Carolina.  In a tough one we win 21-14 behind Whaley's 200+ rushing yards. 
Week 7: Undefeated and #13 in the country against undefeated and #1 Alabama.   The Hogs make things look easy.  We jump out to a lead from the first score and cruise to a win.  Hogs 37 Tide 17.  The Dragon has been slayed.  Bama's season tanks and as they lose to us, LSU, Auburn, and  lose their bowl game to Oklahoma State.
Week 8: #7Auburn @ #8 Arkansas.  A back and forth affair.  We trade scores and the lead several time in the first half.  Then Austin Allen goes ape shit and passes for 400 yards and 4 touchdowns to build and insurmountable lead in the 4th.  Hogs win 55 - 24.
Week 9: The Hogs jump to #5 in the country and travel to Oxford for a classic trap game that never comes to fruition.  Hogs lead from horn to horn 48 -7
Week 10: CCU plays a great first half and keeps it close until we blow it open in the 3rd.  Hogs 42  Weird Chicken things 21.
Week 11: #4 Arkansas @ #3 LSU.  LSU is riding high after beating Alabama the week before.  In a barn burner the Hogs win 35 - 31 on a TD catch with less than a minute to play.
Week 12:  #4 Arkansas  vs  MSU at home.  MSU jumps out to a lead and they move the ball well.  Allen and the O struggle in the first half.  Rhodes and the defense adjust in the second half to shut down the MSU offense and out offense comes alive. Hogs win going away 42 -20.
Week 13: #4 Arkansas vs Mizzou.  Hogs dominate from the opening horn.  Austin Allen sets a school record with 8 TD passes in 3 quarters.  The backups score a couple more and Froholdt and Ragnow prison rape Beisel for 3 quarters.  Bert hangs 72 on the fighting Odoms of Mizzou.   ARK 72 - Mizzou 14

SEC CHAMPIONSHIP: Hogs play two loss #12 Georgia in Atlanta for the SEC crown and a trip to the CFP.  Enos calls an inspired game and the Hogs win on a turnover on downs after Cheney calls a TE screen on 4th and goal from the 4.  Hogs 31 - Dogs 27.
Despite being undefeated the polls keep the Hogs at #4 as the SEC is perceived as "down" this year because none of the premier programs have won it.  The media debates jumping a 1 loss Michigan over undefeated Arkansas after a close last second #5 Michigan loss to #1Ohio State. 

CFP Semis -  #4ARK vs #1Ohio State is a back and forth game through the 3rd quarter.  Whaley closes the game out with a quarter Hog fans haven't seen since LSU 2010.  Bert bleeds the clock dry and the Hogs win 38-28.
 
                 -#3 Louisville vs #2 USC.  Louisville lights up the scoreboard both on the ground and through the air.  Lamar Jackson passes for 400 yards and rushes for 150.  He has 6 overall TDs and Louisville outlasts the Trojans 56-42 setting up a grudge match of Petrion vs Bert in the CFP National Championship game. 


CFP Title game- The batle for Jeff Long's soul.  Undefeated #4 Arkansas vs Undefeated #3 Louisville.  Petrino calls a masterful game.  Enos calls the game of his life.  Lamar Jackson and Austin Allen account for 11 touchdowns.  Louisville has a late lead but Sosa causes a turnover for a TD and defense manages to stop the Cardinals after the Petrion costs his team 15 yards for accosting an official.  With less than 2 minutes left Austin Allen leads a drive that will forever be remembered and with only seconds left he hits Cheyenne O'Grady in the end zone for a TD and the win.  Hogs 48 - Cards 45.   
 

NOW...In real life we win 8, but look competitive in every loss.  We'll lose a close one to TCU but we finally beat the collie fuckers.  We'll beat NM State but South Carolina will beat us because we're looking ahead to Bama.  And we still won't beat Bama but we'll play well enough to keep the optimists from jumping off the wagon.  A .500 record will still give the pessimists all the ammo they need to beat the Fire Bert drum.   Then we go on a run.  Somehow we edge out Auburn.  We shit stomp Ole Miss.  Then beat Coastal Carolina in a closer game than most of us will like.  We'll lost to LSU but play well enough to be in it at the end.  We'll close it out with a win in Starkville and at home against Mizzou.  8-4  season.  Just outside the top 25 and a bowl game in Nashville, Memphis, Houston, or Shreveport.       

You lost me at "starters pulled at halftime" and I knew it was fan fiction right from there.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bar_hog on August 01, 2017, 03:56:51 PM
I definitely want to see the number two.qb get some playing experience without AA.being hurt
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 01, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
So, I have a some questions for y'all:

1.  Why is everyone thinking LSU is going to be world-beaters?  I understand they drilled us last year but my God, they have ED ORGERON (Captain Caveman) as their head coach.  He was 10-25 with Ole Miss.  Sure, he was 6-2 in his 8 games with LSU last year and yeah, they have Guice but damn, everyone seems to be anointing them as the new foshizzle.

2.  Lots of peeps have us losing to South Carolina.  Why exactly?  Surely we're not scared of Will Muschamp?  A lot of prognosticators are saying SC will have the same or possibly worse year this year than their 6-7 season last year.

3.  And then I ask the same thing about Auburn.  Sure they frickin destroyed us last year but every year is a new year.  They still are the same Auburn team, more or less, than the one we beat in OT in Fayetteville 2 years ago.  Sure they have a good backfield and can run the ball.  Jury will be out on the QB early in the season but we'll know what they got by the time they come to Fayetteville.  And furthermore, they'll be coming off an away game the week before at LSU.  We'll be limping around from the Alabama loss at Tuscaloosa.  Anyway, is the lingering taste from the 56-3 game influencing some of y'all's picks for this game this year?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on August 01, 2017, 04:16:40 PM
  Anyway, is the lingering taste from the 56-3 game influencing some of y'all's picks for this game this year?

No it's the 56-0 season-ending second halfs.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 01, 2017, 04:23:25 PM
So, I have a some questions for y'all:

1.  Why is everyone thinking LSU is going to be world-beaters?  I understand they drilled us last year but my God, they have ED ORGERON (Captain Caveman) as their head coach.  He was 10-25 with Ole Miss.  Sure, he was 6-2 in his 8 games with LSU last year and yeah, they have Guice but damn, everyone seems to be anointing them as the new foshizzle.

2.  Lots of peeps have us losing to South Carolina.  Why exactly?  Surely we're not scared of Will Muschamp?  A lot of prognosticators are saying SC will have the same or possibly worse year this year than their 6-7 season last year.

3.  And then I ask the same thing about Auburn.  Sure they frickin destroyed us last year but every year is a new year.  They still are the same Auburn team, more or less, than the one we beat in OT in Fayetteville 2 years ago.  Sure they have a good backfield and can run the ball.  Jury will be out on the QB early in the season but we'll know what they got by the time they come to Fayetteville.  And furthermore, they'll be coming off an away game the week before at LSU.  We'll be limping around from the Alabama loss at Tuscaloosa.  Anyway, is the lingering taste from the 56-3 game influencing some of y'all's picks for this game this year?

You answered your own questions with that last sentence. LSU may not be world beaters but they sure seem to be better than us AND we're playing them down there. SC, I don't know, I guess it's because we're playing them at Columbia this year. Auburn just absolutely annihilated us last year and we play them immediately post Bama.
That's my reasoning anyway.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 01, 2017, 04:39:44 PM
So, I have a some questions for y'all:

1.  Why is everyone thinking LSU is going to be world-beaters?  I understand they drilled us last year but my God, they have ED ORGERON (Captain Caveman) as their head coach.  He was 10-25 with Ole Miss.  Sure, he was 6-2 in his 8 games with LSU last year and yeah, they have Guice but damn, everyone seems to be anointing them as the new foshizzle.

2.  Lots of peeps have us losing to South Carolina.  Why exactly?  Surely we're not scared of Will Muschamp?  A lot of prognosticators are saying SC will have the same or possibly worse year this year than their 6-7 season last year.

3.  And then I ask the same thing about Auburn.  Sure they frickin destroyed us last year but every year is a new year.  They still are the same Auburn team, more or less, than the one we beat in OT in Fayetteville 2 years ago.  Sure they have a good backfield and can run the ball.  Jury will be out on the QB early in the season but we'll know what they got by the time they come to Fayetteville.  And furthermore, they'll be coming off an away game the week before at LSU.  We'll be limping around from the Alabama loss at Tuscaloosa.  Anyway, is the lingering taste from the 56-3 game influencing some of y'all's picks for this game this year?

Captain Coonass will lose 2-4 games that the talent dictates he shouldn't.  We just have to hope we're one of those 2-4.  Being in Baton Rouge doesn't necessarily matter - they lost in BR to the same Florida shitheads we drilled in a less intimidating environment. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 01, 2017, 04:40:20 PM
You may have a career in writing fictional erotic novels.

I'd say borderline at best.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 01, 2017, 04:44:56 PM
No it's the 56-0 season-ending second halfs.

Because that's gonna happen again this year?  Did that happen in ANY of the prior games?  Did it happen in 2015?  Geez.  So because we bombed 2 games in a row to end the season by giving up huge leads, y'all all believe that that is going to continue in 2017?  Okay.  Gotcha. 

Auburn is in Fayetteville and yes, we're coming off the Alabama game but they're coming off the LSU game.  Both teams will be beat up.  And both possibly coming off a loss (us for sure).  Anyway, Gus has proven that he can mediocre up a season just as well as anyone, including Bielema. 

Personally, I'm not calling any game a win or a loss at this point but I could see the following happen.   I can see us winning FAMU, NMSU, CCU, Ole Miss, and Mizzou.  I can see us losing to Alabama and LSU (not because they're all that just because it's on the road).  I can see MSU being a win too.  TAMU is probably a loss.  SC is probably a win.  I think Auburn and TCU will be toss ups. 

That's 7-5 if we lose the toss ups if my math stands.  Win the 2 home toss ups with Auburn and TCU and that's 9-3.  Sounds far-fetched but really, Alabama is the ONLY game on the schedule that I'll call a definite loss. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 01, 2017, 04:47:27 PM
Because that's gonna happen again this year?  Did that happen in ANY of the prior games?  Did it happen in 2015?  Geez.  So because we bombed 2 games in a row to end the season by giving up huge leads, y'all all believe that that is going to continue in 2017?  Okay.  Gotcha. 

Auburn is in Fayetteville and yes, we're coming off the Alabama game but they're coming off the LSU game.  Both teams will be beat up.  And both possibly coming off a loss (us for sure).  Anyway, Gus has proven that he can mediocre up a season just as well as anyone, including Bielema. 

Personally, I'm not calling any game a win or a loss at this point but I could see the following happen.   I can see us winning FAMU, NMSU, CCU, Ole Miss, and Mizzou.  I can see us losing to Alabama and LSU (not because they're all that just because it's on the road).  I can see MSU being a win too.  TAMU is probably a loss.  SC is probably a win.  I think Auburn and TCU will be toss ups. 

That's 7-5 if we lose the toss ups if my math stands.  Win the 2 home toss ups with Auburn and TCU and that's 9-3.  Sounds far-fetched but really, Alabama is the ONLY game on the schedule that I'll call a definite loss.

You're putting a lot of stock in the home field advantage.

Just remember...The Alamo was the home field.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 01, 2017, 04:50:04 PM
You're putting a lot of stock in the home field advantage.

Just remember...The Alamo was the home field.

We sure used it to our advantage last year vs. Florida.  But turned around and blew it out our asses against LSU.  And of course we lost to Alabama at home but hell, we'd lose to Alabama anywhere on the planet. 

But yeah, I do put a lot of stock in home field advantage.  But only the home at the University of Arkansas, Fayetteville.  Not that shithole in Little Rock.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 01, 2017, 04:52:47 PM
I'd say borderline at best.

Savvy
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 01, 2017, 04:57:52 PM
I find it odd that folks think there is some sort of curse with Bielema's teams going on the road.
We've had good and bad games on the road, just like at home.

Not being able to put games away last year really has to be placed on the shoulders of that defense, first and foremost. Rhoads is a highly respected DC in this game. His hire was widely known as one of the best hires in the country at the time. I feel like he should be able to get this group into serviceable shape. I did not think they should've been nearly as bad as they were.
I really think going two-gap and allowing a few of our truly athletic defensive playmakers to affect the game more is going to make a difference.

On the offensive side, the experience should really show more in this offensive line. That's one position where having collective experience under your belt makes a huge difference and can make up for a lot of faults. It can only improve and I think the other position groups are going to be fine. Rest assured, there will be one or two names that pop up that nobody is even really thinking about in the preseason as playing a more prominent role. We've pretty much seen it every year in Enos's offenses.

It's easy to clown our s&c program and say we suck and Bret is fat and that we're going lose a lot, though.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 01, 2017, 05:27:58 PM
Just think how miserable some these people will be if Bert wins 10+ games.

It will never happen, but I will gladly admit being wrong if it were to happen.

Even Nutt was 10-1 at one point, and people hated him.  Bert is a mystery, to not show signs of progress except a 5 game stretch in year 2, and be adored.  Reminds me of a past coach we had where you couldn't predict a win or a loss in any given game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 01, 2017, 07:02:30 PM
I find it odd that folks think there is some sort of curse with Bielema's teams going on the road.
We've had good and bad games on the road, just like at home.

Not being able to put games away last year really has to be placed on the shoulders of that defense, first and foremost. Rhoads is a highly respected DC in this game. His hire was widely known as one of the best hires in the country at the time. I feel like he should be able to get this group into serviceable shape. I did not think they should've been nearly as bad as they were.
I really think going two-gap and allowing a few of our truly athletic defensive playmakers to affect the game more is going to make a difference.

On the offensive side, the experience should really show more in this offensive line. That's one position where having collective experience under your belt makes a huge difference and can make up for a lot of faults. It can only improve and I think the other position groups are going to be fine. Rest assured, there will be one or two names that pop up that nobody is even really thinking about in the preseason as playing a more prominent role. We've pretty much seen it every year in Enos's offenses.

It's easy to clown our s&c program and say we suck and Bret is fat and that we're going lose a lot, though.
SEC West records last 2 years:
Bama 15-1
LSU 10-6
Ark 8-8
TxAM 8-8
Ole Miss 8-8
MissSt 7-9
Aub 7-9

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: PHARMHOG on August 01, 2017, 07:10:45 PM
I am not making any bets on the Hogs total wins this year until I read Wally's full schedule breakdown. 

I love how he comes up with a score like 29- 25.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 01, 2017, 07:46:41 PM
SEC West records last 2 years:
Bama 15-1
LSU 10-6:  Coach fired
Ark 8-8
TxAM 8-8:  Coach on the hot seat
Ole Miss 8-8:  Coach fired
MissSt 7-9
Aub 7-9
Not sure there is too much comfort for Bret in those stats.  He is smack dab in the middle of fired coaches and one who may be fired by seasons end.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 01, 2017, 08:07:25 PM
Not sure there is too much comfort for Bret in those stats.  He is smack dab in the middle of fired coaches and one who may be fired by seasons end.
Didnt mean for it to be any comfort. Just showing that we are just as good or bad and everyone in the West besides Bama. Meanwhile, many around here think we are dogmeat and they hope we can win 5 games this year.

Sumlin will be dead man walking after we beat them this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 01, 2017, 08:09:33 PM
SEC West records last 2 years:
Bama 15-1
LSU 10-6
Ark 8-8
TxAM 8-8
Ole Miss 8-8
MissSt 7-9
Aub 7-9

This wouldn't look too bad, if 8-8 was accompanied by 4-0 nonconference and a bowl win.  That'd be back-to-back 9-4 or an 8-5 and 10-3 season. 

Not the case though.  This is what you call marginalizing the tenure by looking at very specific data points over years 3-4 instead of looking at 1-4 as a whole.  It's what those people that just love Bert have to do at this point.  No shame in that.

Hey, I'll give you this though.  If we win 5 conference games this year, I'll be on board.  That would be enough to show me that he can coach without other coaches' recruited talent.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 01, 2017, 09:14:04 PM
I'm not sure what you people are so down about.  We are historically a 7 win program.  That means our five wins this year will be just two off of our maximum potential.  That is pretty darned good.  If we can do that, Bret deserves a raise and an extension.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 01, 2017, 09:16:57 PM
It will never happen, but I will gladly admit being wrong if it were to happen.
I'm betting you would disappear forever before you would admit to being wrong. Come on Bert!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 01, 2017, 09:27:10 PM
I almost hate to post in the "positive" thread. Here Debbie's go ahead and tighten the noose with this.

Heard the defense looked really good today.

Freshman running back from Memphis, Chase Hayden, is really going to help with the RBU thing. He's a homerun threat.

Defensive backs really playing well.

Go ahead somebody point out that the weather isn't hot enough to get us ready for 4th quarters. Stupid for not doing 2 a days, yadda, yadda. (I know the rule on 2 a days. Just sayin)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 01, 2017, 09:43:45 PM
I almost hate to post in the "positive" thread. Here Debbie's go ahead and tighten the noose with this.

Heard the defense looked really good today.

Freshman running back from Memphis, Chase Hayden, is really going to help with the RBU thing. He's a homerun threat.

Defensive backs really playing well.

Go ahead somebody point out that the weather isn't hot enough to get us ready for 4th quarters. Stupid for not doing 2 a days, yadda, yadda. (I know the rule on 2 a days. Just sayin)
I think we have some real talent in this freshman class. When I read that Hayden had moved to 3rd string already, I knew the hype was real.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: gibraltar on August 01, 2017, 09:57:03 PM
I almost hate to post in the "positive" thread. Here Debbie's go ahead and tighten the noose with this.

Heard the defense looked really good today.

Freshman running back from Memphis, Chase Hayden, is really going to help with the RBU thing. He's a homerun threat.

Defensive backs really playing well.

Go ahead somebody point out that the weather isn't hot enough to get us ready for 4th quarters. Stupid for not doing 2 a days, yadda, yadda. (I know the rule on 2 a days. Just sayin)
Very good news. I'm more nervous about the D because of the switch.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 01, 2017, 10:01:57 PM
I'm more nervous about the D because of the switch.
I'm not so much, just because we have a proven SEC D-coordinator now.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 01, 2017, 10:04:36 PM
I find it odd that folks think there is some sort of curse with Bielema's teams going on the road.
We've had good and bad games on the road, just like at home.

Not being able to put games away last year really has to be placed on the shoulders of that defense, first and foremost. Rhoads is a highly respected DC in this game. His hire was widely known as one of the best hires in the country at the time. I feel like he should be able to get this group into serviceable shape. I did not think they should've been nearly as bad as they were.
I really think going two-gap and allowing a few of our truly athletic defensive playmakers to affect the game more is going to make a difference.

On the offensive side, the experience should really show more in this offensive line. That's one position where having collective experience under your belt makes a huge difference and can make up for a lot of faults. It can only improve and I think the other position groups are going to be fine. Rest assured, there will be one or two names that pop up that nobody is even really thinking about in the preseason as playing a more prominent role. We've pretty much seen it every year in Enos's offenses.

It's easy to clown our s&c program and say we suck and Bret is fat and that we're going lose a lot, though.
 

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 01, 2017, 10:07:48 PM
 

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 01, 2017, 10:26:00 PM
I'm not sure what you people are so down about.  We are historically a 7 win program.  That means our five wins this year will be just two off of our maximum potential.  That is pretty darned good.  If we can do that, Bret deserves a raise and an extension.

You'd really cross everyone up if you tried a different schtick.  What you're doing is really fucking boring.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 01, 2017, 10:37:57 PM
I almost hate to post in the "positive" thread. Here Debbie's go ahead and tighten the noose with this.

Heard the defense looked really good today.

Freshman running back from Memphis, Chase Hayden, is really going to help with the RBU thing. He's a homerun threat.

Defensive backs really playing well.

Go ahead somebody point out that the weather isn't hot enough to get us ready for 4th quarters. Stupid for not doing 2 a days, yadda, yadda. (I know the rule on 2 a days. Just sayin)

Looks good about the defense.  Sure hope that Chase is ready, hope that RB University is looking good for a 2nd RB.  No need to be another ready FR like AL has, but a ready FR is good to have.







Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: CrocodileHunter on August 01, 2017, 10:44:42 PM
So, I have a some questions for y'all:

1.  Why is everyone thinking LSU is going to be world-beaters?  I understand they drilled us last year but my God, they have ED ORGERON (Captain Caveman) as their head coach.  He was 10-25 with Ole Miss.  Sure, he was 6-2 in his 8 games with LSU last year and yeah, they have Guice but damn, everyone seems to be anointing them as the new foshizzle.


I don't know how good they'll be, but they have a hell of an offensive coordinator now. 

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 01, 2017, 10:51:29 PM
You'd really cross everyone up if you tried a different schtick.  What you're doing is really fucking boring.

Boring?  I'm just excited about the season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: OP on August 02, 2017, 12:04:26 AM
I don't know how good they'll be, but they have a hell of an offensive coordinator now.

They have highly regarded coordinators on both sides.  The question is if ogre will let them do their thing without meddling.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 02, 2017, 07:24:08 AM
This wouldn't look too bad, if 8-8 was accompanied by 4-0 nonconference and a bowl win.  That'd be back-to-back 9-4 or an 8-5 and 10-3 season. 

Not the case though.  This is what you call marginalizing the tenure by looking at very specific data points over years 3-4 instead of looking at 1-4 as a whole.  It's what those people that just love Bert have to do at this point.  No shame in that.

Hey, I'll give you this though.  If we win 5 conference games this year, I'll be on board.  That would be enough to show me that he can coach without other coaches' recruited talent.

Says the guy who only repeated Bielema's SEC record from his first few seasons ad nauseum.

Everybody knows you don't like him. Why spout it out in every single thread?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Snorts on August 02, 2017, 07:45:24 AM
O Line should be better.  LG, with a year under his belt at the position, should reduce his whiffs-due-to-not-knowing-who-to-block.

Receivers should have more speed. 

QB will be better.

D can't possibly be any worse, right?  Right?  Shit fahr, Boahs, if'n Vanderbilt can play good D, why caint we?

I'm worried choking/slow starting/laying down when tired/refusal to pursue has become cultural with us.  That is hard to get rid of.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: razorwire on August 02, 2017, 08:22:39 AM
O Line should be better.  LG, with a year under his belt at the position, should reduce his whiffs-due-to-not-knowing-who-to-block.

Receivers should have more speed. 

QB will be better.

D can't possibly be any worse, right?  Right?  Shit fahr, Boahs, if'n Vanderbilt can play good D, why caint we?

I'm worried choking/slow starting/laying down when tired/refusal to pursue has become cultural with us.  That is hard to get rid of.
That last line is all issues related to lack of effort by the coaches and the players.  Players, get out there and hit somebody ever damn play!  Act like you all give a shit.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 02, 2017, 08:28:00 AM
That last line is all issues related to lack of effort by the coaches and the players.  Players, get out there and hit somebody ever damn play!  Act like you all give a shit.

And that is why Robbbbb Smith is now coaching in the Great White North.  The defensive scheme wasn't good last year, but most of the problem was that the players didn't believe in it and quit at the first sign of adversity.  When that happens it's time to make a change regardless of how you feel personally about the coach in question.  Fortunately (and somewhat surprisingly) Bielema realized this at the end of last year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 02, 2017, 08:37:53 AM
The defensive scheme wasn't good last year, but most of the problem was that the players didn't believe in it and quit at the first sign of adversity.

Hm that makes me think of the correlation between a 73 yard untouched TD on first play of Auburn game (because of scheme) and 56-3 that same game (because of effort).
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 02, 2017, 08:54:13 AM
I've been looking forward to football season for months, so I'm not really ready to give up before we have even played a game.  Shitting on the team and coach at this point is either a defense mechanism or just another opportunity to rehash the old "Jeff Long sucks, we should still have Petrino" argument. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 02, 2017, 09:02:21 AM
Hm that makes me think of the correlation between a 73 yard untouched TD on first play of Auburn game (because of scheme) and 56-3 that same game (because of effort).

He probably wouldn't have been untouched if the players hadn't been half-assing it. 

Like I said, the scheme was bad but the effort was the biggest problem. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Snorts on August 02, 2017, 09:27:25 AM
He probably wouldn't have been untouched if the players hadn't been half-assing it. 

Like I said, the scheme was bad but the effort was the biggest problem.

According to another woopiggah:

Going as long as we did without an off week, then playing on the road, had only happened like 4 or 5 times ever in the past in the SEC.  The result was a blow out loss hung on the tired team in all cases, except for a close Alabama loss (still a loss).  I tend to cut us a little slack in that abortion of a loss to Allbarn (only a little).

Plenty of other examples, i.e. a fresh Razorback team still giving up historic chunks of yardage to an opponent, regardless of opponent's recruiting level, to level scorn at.  We managed to look like shit on D to nearly everyone.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: CharlieHog on August 02, 2017, 09:27:56 AM
I've been looking forward to football season for months, so I'm not really ready to give up before we have even played a game.  Shitting on the team and coach at this point is either a defense mechanism or just another opportunity to rehash the old "Jeff Long sucks, we should still have Petrino" argument.


Personally I'm just being what I see as realistic. I don't think we'll suck but I do think we'll be mediocre. No amount of "the defense was solid today in practice" is going to convince me otherwise because every other team in the country is getting that same practice report. I don't hate or even dislike Bret Bielema but I do think he's a mediocre coach who will never win a national championship here. He'll be here for years to come and be mediocre for all of them. I don't hate Jeff Long either. In fact I'm much more positive on Long and our athletic dept. than I was a few years ago.

I have season tickets and am looking forward to football season and if we win more than 8 games I'll be thrilled and happy.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 02, 2017, 09:45:08 AM
He probably wouldn't have been untouched if the players hadn't been half-assing it. 

Like I said, the scheme was bad but the effort was the biggest problem.

That, quite frankly, is what bothers me more than anything about this team. I have never seen a group of players literally quit as many times as I did last year (especially in the last 2 games). Will a change of scheme change the attitude of the players? Who knows? All we have to go on right now is pure blind faith.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on August 02, 2017, 10:37:20 AM
You want optimism?  In my dreams it plays out like this... 
...Starters pulled at halftime.     

this is where you lost me
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 02, 2017, 10:50:11 AM
The only thing pulled at halftime last year.
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 02, 2017, 10:57:23 AM
Let's not limit the second half laying down to only the defense.  The last two games, the offense didn't exactly set the world on fire in the second half either.  Both of those games are wins, even with the defense laying down if we have even a pulse on offense. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 02, 2017, 12:22:23 PM

Personally I'm just being what I see as realistic. I don't think we'll suck but I do think we'll be mediocre. No amount of "the defense was solid today in practice" is going to convince me otherwise because every other team in the country is getting that same practice report. I don't hate or even dislike Bret Bielema but I do think he's a mediocre coach who will never win a national championship here. He'll be here for years to come and be mediocre for all of them. I don't hate Jeff Long either. In fact I'm much more positive on Long and our athletic dept. than I was a few years ago.

I have season tickets and am looking forward to football season and if we win more than 8 games I'll be thrilled and happy.
That's 100% rational and I have a very similar outlook to yours.

Let's not limit the second half laying down to only the defense.  The last two games, the offense didn't exactly set the world on fire in the second half either.  Both of those games are wins, even with the defense laying down if we have even a pulse on offense.

Very true, and I think OL fatigue and inexperience probably contributed to that. I also think that Enos was off his game at the end of the season, as well.
I don't think there's any denying that a combination of poor scheme, poor effort and fatigue overtook the program as the season progressed. It's not something that we had seen yet from a Bielema team, really.
I'll be very interested to see how this is eradicated. Hopefully, we see more of what we saw in '15, a constantly improving group that eventually wasn't overly concerned with situation or game, just trying their ass off to win each play. As disappointing as parts of that season were, I thought it encapsulated what Bielema wanted with his goofy "1-0" schtick. It made sense, that team had an identity. It's weird how quickly that faded in 2016.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 02, 2017, 01:07:00 PM

Personally I'm just being what I see as realistic. I don't think we'll suck but I do think we'll be mediocre. No amount of "the defense was solid today in practice" is going to convince me otherwise because every other team in the country is getting that same practice report. I don't hate or even dislike Bret Bielema but I do think he's a mediocre coach who will never win a national championship here. He'll be here for years to come and be mediocre for all of them. I don't hate Jeff Long either. In fact I'm much more positive on Long and our athletic dept. than I was a few years ago.

I have season tickets and am looking forward to football season and if we win more than 8 games I'll be thrilled and happy.
I appreciate the thoughtful response.  I never actually think we will suck but as far as being realistic, it is extremely difficult in this division & league for us to achieve a record that most don't feel is mediocre.  I think BB is above average, but he really can only be as good as the staff he hires.  I don't think he is an X & O type coach that is deeply involved in the schemes or play calling. I think he has input, of course, but most of that is left to the coordinators.  I was shocked at the 2 2nd half collapses at the end of the season since we have usually finished strong.  That turned a pretty good season into something disappointing,  and we have had to stew in that all off season. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 02, 2017, 01:19:18 PM

Personally I'm just being what I see as realistic. I don't think we'll suck but I do think we'll be mediocre. No amount of "the defense was solid today in practice" is going to convince me otherwise because every other team in the country is getting that same practice report. I don't hate or even dislike Bret Bielema but I do think he's a mediocre coach who will never win a national championship here. He'll be here for years to come and be mediocre for all of them. I don't hate Jeff Long either. In fact I'm much more positive on Long and our athletic dept. than I was a few years ago.

I have season tickets and am looking forward to football season and if we win more than 8 games I'll be thrilled and happy.

I'll have to throw my lot in here too. I think we'll be good enough to get into a bowl but that's it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 02, 2017, 01:59:03 PM

Personally I'm just being what I see as realistic. I don't think we'll suck but I do think we'll be mediocre. No amount of "the defense was solid today in practice" is going to convince me otherwise because every other team in the country is getting that same practice report. I don't hate or even dislike Bret Bielema but I do think he's a mediocre coach who will never win a national championship here. He'll be here for years to come and be mediocre for all of them. I don't hate Jeff Long either. In fact I'm much more positive on Long and our athletic dept. than I was a few years ago.

I have season tickets and am looking forward to football season and if we win more than 8 games I'll be thrilled and happy.

I agree with all of this.  It's tough learning to live with mediocrity, but as soon you come to grips with it, it's not too bad.

We have definitely re-entered the Nutt years.  The main question is will Bert ever be able to bring us a 1998 or 2006?  I'm not thinking the odds are too good.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 02, 2017, 02:18:22 PM
I agree with all of this.  It's tough learning to live with mediocrity, but as soon you come to grips with it, it's not too bad.

We have definitely re-entered the Nutt years.  The main question is will Bert ever be able to bring us a 1998 or 2006?  I'm not thinking the odds are too good.

https://youtu.be/jAWQsQK61VU
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 02, 2017, 02:28:23 PM
Let's not limit the second half laying down to only the defense.  The last two games, the offense didn't exactly set the world on fire in the second half either.  Both of those games are wins, even with the defense laying down if we have even a pulse on offense.
No doubt.  Even a couple of FG's in the second half wins those last two games.  We must have been eating orange slices and playing grabass at haltime in those games.  Almost any score at all in the second half changes the momentum and wins those games.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 02, 2017, 02:54:18 PM
No doubt.  Even a couple of FG's in the second half wins those last two games.  We must have been eating orange slices and playing grabass at haltime in those games.  Almost any score at all in the second half changes the momentum and wins those games.
It helps if you don't fumble the ball out of the end zone after an 80yd pass play too.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 02, 2017, 03:31:02 PM
From the middle of 2015 to the middle of 2016, the Hogs were 11-3.  A loss to Mississippi State in 2015 when we closed it out at 6-1 and a loss to Alabama and Auburn in 2016 to start out 5-2.    11-3.  Let's dwell on that as opposed to the 2-4 finish to last year including those 2 come from in front defeats.  Well, at least that's what I'm going to focus on.  :)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 02, 2017, 03:44:08 PM
From the middle of 2015 to the middle of 2016, the Hogs were 11-3.  A loss to Mississippi State in 2015 when we closed it out at 6-1 and a loss to Alabama and Auburn in 2016 to start out 5-2.    11-3.  Let's dwell on that as opposed to the 2-4 finish to last year including those 2 come from in front defeats.  Well, at least that's what I'm going to focus on.  :)
:thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 02, 2017, 03:58:14 PM
From the middle of 2015 to the middle of 2016, the Hogs were 11-3.  A loss to Mississippi State in 2015 when we closed it out at 6-1 and a loss to Alabama and Auburn in 2016 to start out 5-2.    11-3.  Let's dwell on that as opposed to the 2-4 finish to last year including those 2 come from in front defeats.  Well, at least that's what I'm going to focus on.  :)

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Porkerfrombehind on August 02, 2017, 04:03:10 PM
You want optimism?  In my dreams it plays out like this. 
15-0 and National Champs.  Whaley wins the Doak Walker, Enos wins the Broyles, Bert wins the COTY,  while Ragnow wins the Outland, and the Rimington.
Week 1: We win a blowout over Fla A&M.  Starters pulled at halftime.  Hogs 63 - Rattlers 17
Week2: We keep the foot on the gas at home against TCU.  We win that one by 35.  Hogs 56 - Frogs 21
Week 3: We take our bye week early and rest up for the game against A&M in Jerry World. 
Week 4: A&M jumps out to a three score lead but we battle back and win on a last minute field goal.  Hogs 37 Aggies 35.  Is that optimism I smell?
Week 5: We put a 50 point beating on NM State 60-10
Week 6: We then travel to SoCar for a top 20 matchup  against also undefeated South Carolina.  In a tough one we win 21-14 behind Whaley's 200+ rushing yards. 
Week 7: Undefeated and #13 in the country against undefeated and #1 Alabama.   The Hogs make things look easy.  We jump out to a lead from the first score and cruise to a win.  Hogs 37 Tide 17.  The Dragon has been slayed.  Bama's season tanks and as they lose to us, LSU, Auburn, and  lose their bowl game to Oklahoma State.
Week 8: #7Auburn @ #8 Arkansas.  A back and forth affair.  We trade scores and the lead several time in the first half.  Then Austin Allen goes ape shit and passes for 400 yards and 4 touchdowns to build and insurmountable lead in the 4th.  Hogs win 55 - 24.
Week 9: The Hogs jump to #5 in the country and travel to Oxford for a classic trap game that never comes to fruition.  Hogs lead from horn to horn 48 -7
Week 10: CCU plays a great first half and keeps it close until we blow it open in the 3rd.  Hogs 42  Weird Chicken things 21.
Week 11: #4 Arkansas @ #3 LSU.  LSU is riding high after beating Alabama the week before.  In a barn burner the Hogs win 35 - 31 on a TD catch with less than a minute to play.
Week 12:  #4 Arkansas  vs  MSU at home.  MSU jumps out to a lead and they move the ball well.  Allen and the O struggle in the first half.  Rhodes and the defense adjust in the second half to shut down the MSU offense and out offense comes alive. Hogs win going away 42 -20.
Week 13: #4 Arkansas vs Mizzou.  Hogs dominate from the opening horn.  Austin Allen sets a school record with 8 TD passes in 3 quarters.  The backups score a couple more and Froholdt and Ragnow prison rape Beisel for 3 quarters.  Bert hangs 72 on the fighting Odoms of Mizzou.   ARK 72 - Mizzou 14

SEC CHAMPIONSHIP: Hogs play two loss #12 Georgia in Atlanta for the SEC crown and a trip to the CFP.  Enos calls an inspired game and the Hogs win on a turnover on downs after Cheney calls a TE screen on 4th and goal from the 4.  Hogs 31 - Dogs 27.
Despite being undefeated the polls keep the Hogs at #4 as the SEC is perceived as "down" this year because none of the premier programs have won it.  The media debates jumping a 1 loss Michigan over undefeated Arkansas after a close last second #5 Michigan loss to #1Ohio State. 

CFP Semis -  #4ARK vs #1Ohio State is a back and forth game through the 3rd quarter.  Whaley closes the game out with a quarter Hog fans haven't seen since LSU 2010.  Bert bleeds the clock dry and the Hogs win 38-28.
 
                 -#3 Louisville vs #2 USC.  Louisville lights up the scoreboard both on the ground and through the air.  Lamar Jackson passes for 400 yards and rushes for 150.  He has 6 overall TDs and Louisville outlasts the Trojans 56-42 setting up a grudge match of Petrion vs Bert in the CFP National Championship game. 


CFP Title game- The batle for Jeff Long's soul.  Undefeated #4 Arkansas vs Undefeated #3 Louisville.  Petrino calls a masterful game.  Enos calls the game of his life.  Lamar Jackson and Austin Allen account for 11 touchdowns.  Louisville has a late lead but Sosa causes a turnover for a TD and defense manages to stop the Cardinals after the Petrion costs his team 15 yards for accosting an official.  With less than 2 minutes left Austin Allen leads a drive that will forever be remembered and with only seconds left he hits Cheyenne O'Grady in the end zone for a TD and the win.  Hogs 48 - Cards 45.   
 

NOW...In real life we win 8, but look competitive in every loss.  We'll lose a close one to TCU but we finally beat the collie fuckers.  We'll beat NM State but South Carolina will beat us because we're looking ahead to Bama.  And we still won't beat Bama but we'll play well enough to keep the optimists from jumping off the wagon.  A .500 record will still give the pessimists all the ammo they need to beat the Fire Bert drum.   Then we go on a run.  Somehow we edge out Auburn.  We shit stomp Ole Miss.  Then beat Coastal Carolina in a closer game than most of us will like.  We'll lost to LSU but play well enough to be in it at the end.  We'll close it out with a win in Starkville and at home against Mizzou.  8-4  season.  Just outside the top 25 and a bowl game in Nashville, Memphis, Houston, or Shreveport.       

Damn, I'm chubby!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 02, 2017, 04:24:04 PM
From the middle of 2015 to the middle of 2016, the Hogs were 11-3.  A loss to Mississippi State in 2015 when we closed it out at 6-1 and a loss to Alabama and Auburn in 2016 to start out 5-2.    11-3.  Let's dwell on that as opposed to the 2-4 finish to last year including those 2 come from in front defeats.  Well, at least that's what I'm going to focus on.  :)

This is good.  Glad you posted it. 

Probably the most positive post I've seen on this site in the last few years.  Hard to argue it and gives a little hope for this season.




Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 02, 2017, 04:25:31 PM
I guess I'll be that guy yet again and ask what did that 11-3 get us?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 02, 2017, 04:29:22 PM
Lets look at it like this

What's it going to take to break 7 wins? The teams that win games in the SEC West are balanced offensively and defensively.

Really good QB play (He's capable)
Really decent OL play (question mark)
We'll need a 1200 yard rusher and probably another 600+ yard guy
We'll need a few receivers that can catch the ball and break off some big gains
We need a solid TE and a couple blocking TE's at minimum...we generally have no problem here
Down & distance efficiency...we sucked balls at times last year on particular downs and it was made worse by our line getting AA killed. We need more 3rd and shorts so it opens up what we can do as opposed to fucking the dog on 2nd down putting on in & LONG scenarios.


Then we go to defense

It's a video game for damn near everyone. I say show a pulse and don't leave glaring green gaps. All this set the edge shit...fuck just go tackle a motherfucker. Win the one on one battles. Win at the LOS. Hat on a hat...all that shit. Get nasty.

Kickers and Punters: score points and don't shank the ball.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Peanut Adams on August 02, 2017, 04:33:45 PM
Lets look at it like this

What's it going to take to break 7 wins? The teams that win games in the SEC West are balanced offensively and defensively.

Really good QB play (He's capable)
Really decent OL play (question mark)
We'll need a 1200 yard rusher and probably another 600+ yard guy
We'll need a few receivers that can catch the ball and break off some big gains
We need a solid TE and a couple blocking TE's at minimum...we generally have no problem here
Down & distance efficiency...we sucked balls at times last year on particular downs and it was made worse by our line getting AA killed. We need more 3rd and shorts so it opens up what we can do as opposed to fucking the dog on 2nd down putting on in & LONG scenarios.


Then we go to defense

It's a video game for damn near everyone. I say show a pulse and don't leave glaring green gaps. All this set the edge shit...fuck just go tackle a motherfucker. Win the one on one battles. Win at the LOS. Hat on a hat...all that shit. Get nasty.

Kickers and Punters: score points and don't shank the ball.

Yes but when you factor in the probability of broken feet and other injuries...
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 02, 2017, 05:32:34 PM
Yes but when you factor in the probability of broken feet and other injuries...

The foot thing is really puzzling. I can only conclude that since we've moved to XYZ turf on the practice surface...that we've had X number of feet than the prior Y number of years combined.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 02, 2017, 05:40:46 PM
We have the best passing QB in the league in my opinion. Our oline should be a cohesive unit. We have some physical WRs and some speed. I think Whaley is the type of RB that can take one to the house from our own 20. I think we have a couple 4* or better at tight end. In other words, I think our offense will be pretty damn good. If our defense can "bounce around" at all in the 3-4, I could see 9-10 wins. I think we will gamble much more with this scheme under this DC. Keep in mind, I'm Natty all the time, any time we have no losses.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 02, 2017, 06:24:42 PM
Keep in mind, I'm Natty all the time, any time we have no losses.

It has been broughten.   :helmet:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 02, 2017, 06:30:07 PM
If Mississippi State can be ranked number 1 at ANY point in the season, not to mention a whole month, then we "should be" better than 7 wins.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Satch on August 02, 2017, 07:14:04 PM
Phil Steele says we have one of the best O lines in the country.  He loves the line.
Sign me up for 11-1  :dude2:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: aboynamedsooiee on August 02, 2017, 07:40:45 PM
In relation to the rest of the SEC.
QB: A (Austin Allen, SR., knows the playbook, battle-tested; give him time and he's money)
RB: A- (Devwah Whaley, SO., Maleek Williams, FR., David Williams, SR., all bring a punch at 216 lbs or more. The elder Williams brings some senior leadership that we lost with Rawleigh. Chase Hayden, FR., is a different breed at 5'10, 191, think speed and agility over the thumpers above)
FB: B (Kendrick Jackson, JR., and Hayden Johnson, SO., will line up behind the LOS and split carries and passes, Hayden has played at TE.)
TE: B- (Austin Cantrell, Cheyenne O'Grady, Jeremy Patton, Will Gragg, Grayson Gunter, probably in that order, will see playing time at TE this season; blockers (Cantrell), receiver's (O'Grady/Gragg) and hybrids (Patton/Gunter))
OL: B+ (Across the line, Colton Jackson, Hjalte Froholdt, Frank Ragnow, Johnny Gibson, Brian Wallace, all have significant playing time and "experience", which I relate more to getting their shit pushed in and learning from it. Regardless, we will be improved from last year and I think we will surprise some folks with their ability to be a cohesive unit and improve as the season goes on. We also have a full scholarship'd 3 deep - when was the last time we could say that?)
WR: C+ (Given the offseason losses, we're a high C because of returning leadership in Jared Cornelius, athletic transfers Brandon Martin, Jonathan Nance, big speed in Jordan Jones, Deon Stewart, T.J. Hammonds, Gary Cross, and talented upperclassman La'Michael Pettway. Freshmen Jarrod Barnes, DeVion Warren, Koilan Jackson, could play or RS)

DE: B (Sosa Agim, T.J. Smith, Armon Watts, Briston Guidry, all have good size and provide a solid 2 deep)
DT/NT: B- (Bijhon Jackson, Austin Capps, Jonathan Marshall will play in this order. Bijhon is a 339 lb senior and Austin Capps, SO., is a hoss at 6'4, 300 lbs., Jonathan weighs in at 6'3, 310, RSF)
ILB: C+ (Dre Greenlaw, JR., 6'0 229, #1, after him, toss up: Damani Carter, Josh Harris, Giovanni LaFrance, De'Jon Harris, Kyrei Fisher, Dwayne Eugene, will cycle in/out - all but Josh Harris are 239 lbs or more)
OLB: C- (Randy Ramsey, JR., 6'4, 228 lbs is supposedly the truth, we'll see - Karl Roesler, SR., will start opposite at 6'1 252, and a slew of RS and True freshmen; Hayden Henry, Alexy Jean-Baptiste, Dee Walker, Grant Morgan - Jamario Bell was our projected 'Hog'.)
CB: B+ (Ryan Pulley, JR., Kevin Richardson II, SR., Henre' Toliver, SR., will start, Britto Tutt, SO., Nate Dalton, SO., Ryder Lucas, JR., and possibly some freshmen Jordon Curtis, Chevin Calloway, Korey Hernandez, Kamren Curl, Jarques McClellion could see the field and avoid RS)
S: B+ (Santos Ramirez, JR., 6'2 198, Josh Liddell, SR., 6'1 210, De'Andre Coley, SR., 6'1 211 will start and should be one of the biggest strengths of the team - backups Reid Miller JR., Deon Edwards, RSF., and hopefully Montaric Brown, FR., will all be in the 2/3 deep.)
P: C- (Blake Johnson is the incumbent and uninspiring so far, wait and see - FR Blake Mazza will challenge.)
K: C+ (Cole Hedlund JR., Connor Limpert, SO., and Blake Mazza, FR., will compete - supposedly Cole will keep the job, it'd be funny if he takes both)

In my opinion, overall we have tremendous depth and experience at most positions except for special teams, OLB, and WR. Receivers should do their job, run good routes and catch the balls that Austin throws - I think we'll be fine here. OLB play and their cohesion with the rest of the defense will be key in our play this season. How the "4" of the 3-4 does their job will directly dictate our success. Kickers are kickers, stay away from them and let them do their job. Offensively, the only questions is o-line playing better, everything else will fall into place, and I bet we'll wow some people.


W - Florida A&M @ LR - (Stay consistent, play the backups by the 3rd, win by 45)
W - TCU  - (10 days to prepare, close game, pound the rock, win by 10)
BYE
W - Texas A&M @Dallas - (Huge game for Bret, he gets 2 weeks for prep; we finally win one behind Austin and the offensive line, win by 3)
W - New Mexico State – (same plan as Florida A&M)
W - @ South Carolina – (another big game, and it’s a stunner, win by 20 behind Devwah, up to 800 yards on the season)
L - @ Alabama – (In a stunner, we lose by last minute FG by Bama; leave game as #12 in the country)
L – Auburn – (Hangover game, though not a repeat from last year bad, we keep it competitive.)
W - @ Ole Miss – (Good win, OM tries to play, by 14)
W - Coastal Carolina – (See Rattlers, et al.)
L - @ LSU – (solid game by Orgeron, Cajuns whip our ass by 10)
W - Mississippi State – (Barely survive this one, shoot out, upwards of 80 points will be scored in DWS)
W – Missouri – (Devwah runs for 250+, ends regular season with 1300 yards – win by 14)

10-3 – Win whatever bowl game we play.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 02, 2017, 07:53:15 PM
800 yards in 5 games, with two of them against SEC teams?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: aboynamedsooiee on August 02, 2017, 07:56:37 PM
800 yards in 5 games, with two of them against SEC teams?
I've got us going 10-3 and you're asking me about that?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 02, 2017, 07:58:58 PM
I've got us going 10-3 and you're asking me about that?

I'd say the odds are the same for both.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: aboynamedsooiee on August 02, 2017, 08:07:35 PM
800 yards in 5 games, with two of them against SEC teams?
Is it really that ridiculous?

W - Florida A&M @ LR - he snags 150 before he leaves at the half
W - TCU - 185 yards and 2 TD's to complement AA
BYE
W - Texas A&M @Dallas - 200 yards, 3 TD's in the shootout
W - New Mexico State –125 yards in the 1st half and he's out.
W - @ South Carolina – all he needs is 140 yards - I think 800 yards is completely doable if we go 10-3.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 02, 2017, 08:16:37 PM
Is it really that ridiculous?

W - Florida A&M @ LR - he snags 150 before he leaves at the half
W - TCU - 185 yards and 2 TD's to complement AA
BYE
W - Texas A&M @Dallas - 200 yards, 3 TD's in the shootout
W - New Mexico State –125 yards in the 1st half and he's out.
W - @ South Carolina – all he needs is 140 yards - I think 800 yards is completely doable if we go 10-3.

19 players in the SEC surpassed that mark for the ENTIRE 2016 season.  The leaders had under 1,400 yet you have Whaley on pace for over 1,900.  There have been 44 such seasons in college history. 

It's not the most ridiculous thing I've read (even today), but it's up there.


Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: aboynamedsooiee on August 02, 2017, 08:19:48 PM
19 players in the SEC surpassed that mark for the ENTIRE 2016 season.  The leaders had under 1,400 yet you have Whaley on pace for over 1,900.  There have been 44 such seasons in college history. 

It's not the most ridiculous thing I've read (even today), but it's up there.
FWIW, I had him finishing at 1300 yards. We lost 3 games, obviously he can slow down.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 02, 2017, 08:21:18 PM
My spirit is broken and I refuse to call TAMU a win till I see it. And after Texas Tech in Fayetteville, I worry about TCU. I feel like we'll split those games. But I think we'll win two of So Car, Ole Miss, and Miss St.

After that it get really hard.

Sorry for ruining your black panther party.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 02, 2017, 08:25:20 PM
for what I get paid to give hand jobs behind the CVS, I had him finishing at 1300 yards. We lost 3 games, obviously he can slow down.

You lost me at 800.

Against a similar schedule last year, RWIII had 559 in the first five games. 

I guess it's possible, but I think we will see a heavy mix of Dave Williams and the passing game to break in the new receivers early on.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 02, 2017, 08:29:11 PM
Yes but when you factor in the probability of broken feet and other injuries...

You know those rating systems are flawed. They don't take in account houses that have... uh... more than two television sets... and...other things of that nature.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 02, 2017, 09:04:54 PM
I want to go back to Dallas but won't until we quit giving games to those homo TaMU assholes. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 02, 2017, 09:58:02 PM
I want to go back to Dallas but won't until we quit giving games to those homo TaMU assholes.
This year marks the first Ark TAMU game in Dallas that I'm not attending. Just costs too damn much. I hope they move that game back to a home and home soon. Hate that we lose a home conference game when we're the home team. We used to dominate that game in fans and in the win column but have gotten the tables turned since TAMU joined the SEC.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: CrocodileHunter on August 02, 2017, 10:22:41 PM
Is this the right place to be positive about Hammonds knee injury?  WPS!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Filthy_McSwine on August 02, 2017, 10:33:14 PM
Is this the right place to be positive about Hammonds knee injury?  WPS!

Fuck me, we are snakebit. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 02, 2017, 10:40:25 PM
I'll be positive when we bring back Coke so that we can get back to our winning-ish ways  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogfan58 on August 03, 2017, 08:30:51 AM
Is this the right place to be positive about Hammonds knee injury?  WPS!

Sure, at least it wasn't a foot injury.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Doc on August 03, 2017, 08:48:59 AM
Hammonds only expected to be out for the remainder of fall camp and possibly the first game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 03, 2017, 08:50:41 AM
This year marks the first Ark TAMU game in Dallas that I'm not attending. Just costs too damn much. I hope they move that game back to a home and home soon. Hate that we lose a home conference game when we're the home team. We used to dominate that game in fans and in the win column but have gotten the tables turned since TAMU joined the SEC.

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I ain't buying tickets again for sure. If some fell in my lap, I might make the 40 minute drive and spend the $25 to park.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 03, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
Hammonds only expected to be out for the remainder of fall camp and possibly the first game.
7 weeks until we play the Aggies. Hope he's back to normal by then.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 03, 2017, 08:54:31 AM
Hammonds only expected to be out for the remainder of fall camp and possibly the first game.
If this is true that's impressive as hell.  I hope they don't rush him back.  He's explosive, but I want him healthy for SEC play.  Couldn't care less about having him for FLA A&M. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 03, 2017, 09:21:52 AM
If this is true that's impressive as hell.  I hope they don't rush him back.  He's explosive, but I want him healthy for SEC play.  Couldn't care less about having him for FLA A&M.

As someone else said, get Bud Kilmer on that and get him back in the game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 03, 2017, 09:22:04 AM

 I don't hate or even dislike Bret Bielema but I do think he's a mediocre coach who will never win a national championship here. He'll be here for years to come and be mediocre for all of them.

Arkansas football in a nutshell. 
Arkansas is a peculiarity because it's one of the  top 40 football or basketball schools that makes the AD office more powerful than  the coach.  Most fans at most schools winning big time can't even name their AD.  Jeff Long will stay here forever because a culture was created here decades ago that he can't duplicate elsewhere.  When a big time coach comes along that has the potential to win at the highest level, he invariably becomes bigger than the AD and beyond the AD's reach, which then always becomes a problem, every. single. time.

The Hogs have had 3 coaches capable of winning a NC.  All three were shown the door by the AD and a compliant fan base that believes what the media tells them. 

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 03, 2017, 09:25:27 AM
This year marks the first Ark TAMU game in Dallas that I'm not attending. Just costs too damn much. I hope they move that game back to a home and home soon. Hate that we lose a home conference game when we're the home team. We used to dominate that game in fans and in the win column but have gotten the tables turned since TAMU joined the SEC.

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It isn't even money for me.  It is that we have absolutely given the games away.  Until fat fuck sets it right with TAMU, he is on the hot seat with me.  No way those fuckers should be owning us like they have.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 03, 2017, 09:30:08 AM
It isn't even money for me.  It is that we have absolutely given the games away.  Until fat fuck sets it right with TAMU, he is on the hot seat with me.  No way those fuckers should be owning us like they have.

But why not?  They ABSOLUTELY have a recruiting advantage over us.  Absolutely.  Especially since they joined the SEC.  They've probably gotten a lot of Texas players who we might have gotten prior to them being in the SEC but those guys are like, damn, I can play in the SEC and still stay in Texas and not have to deal with those shitheads from Austin and play in the crappy Big 12. 

Be that as it may, I've never been in the camp that thinks that Kevin Sumlin is a great coach.  Or even a good coach.  But we shall see.  I wish we played them in the second half of the season when they've started tanking!
Title: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 03, 2017, 09:34:33 AM
They have always enjoyed those advantages over us and we have, historically and even recently, owned the fuck out of them.  They aren't beating us because they are so loaded the last couple of years.  We have just pissed down our legs and given it away.  If we can get in from inside the 5 last year we blow them out early.

Sumlin is a shit coach and guess what, he has out coached our coach the last few years. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 03, 2017, 09:40:24 AM
Arkansas football in a nutshell. 
Arkansas is a peculiarity because it's one of the  top 40 football or basketball schools that makes the AD office more powerful than  the coach.  Most fans at most schools winning big time can't even name their AD.  Jeff Long will stay here forever because a culture was created here decades ago that he can't duplicate elsewhere.  When a big time coach comes along that has the potential to win at the highest level, he invariably becomes bigger than the AD and beyond the AD's reach, which then always becomes a problem, every. single. time.

The Hogs have had 3 coaches capable of winning a NC.  All three were shown the door by the AD and a compliant fan base that believes what the media tells them.

Very accurate. You have to keep spinning things as a distraction. You have to answer the call, talk about traditions, show all of the construction, praise all of the fund raising, talk about doing it the right way. At some point these will not be able to distract from the fact that we are not competing for championships.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 03, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
Arkansas football in a nutshell. 
Arkansas is a peculiarity because it's one of the  top 40 football or basketball schools that makes the AD office more powerful than  the coach.  Most fans at most schools winning big time can't even name their AD.  Jeff Long will stay here forever because a culture was created here decades ago that he can't duplicate elsewhere.  When a big time coach comes along that has the potential to win at the highest level, he invariably becomes bigger than the AD and beyond the AD's reach, which then always becomes a problem, every. single. time.

The Hogs have had 3 coaches capable of winning a NC.  All three were shown the door by the AD and a compliant fan base that believes what the media tells them.

Nolan, Petrino, and.......?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 03, 2017, 09:49:51 AM
Holtz
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: razorwire on August 03, 2017, 09:54:42 AM
Holtz
I thought he left on his own for Minnesota to get in line for Notre Dame 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 03, 2017, 09:59:22 AM
I thought he left on his own for Minnesota to get in line for Notre Dame

He was pushed out the door because he had POed virtually every HS football coach in the state.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 03, 2017, 10:20:10 AM
He was pushed out the door because he had POed virtually every HS football coach in the state.
Did he piss them off, because he was not going to take just anybody who loved the helmet?

 The Jesse Helms situation was just the icing on the cake for Broyles to pull the trigger

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 03, 2017, 10:21:33 AM
I think it's not too much to expect a couple 9+ win seasons every six years or so mixed in with the bowl eligible let down years.

Really competing for a national championship is nice to think about but really out of our grasp and even more difficult now that they have a playoff.

It's a game of attrition now. You must have depth and talent and preparation every single week to combine with being a media darling to get a nice ranking bump so that it's not a major hill to climb. Then you'll notice the teams ranked higher that aren't playing the same brutal schedule and remain fresh(er) into the playoff.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 03, 2017, 10:33:04 AM

Really competing for a national championship is nice to think about but really out of our grasp and even more difficult now that they have a playoff.

When you say competing for a national championship you are basically saying competing for a conference championship.  You win the conference you will have the opportunity to compete for the national.  Both are equally unlikely for Arkansas.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 03, 2017, 10:42:12 AM
When I was talking about competing for championships, I was referring to an sec western championship of the world. We need something more at stake in November than shitty made up trophies.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 03, 2017, 10:49:15 AM
Arkansas football in a nutshell. 
Arkansas is a peculiarity because it's one of the  top 40 football or basketball schools that makes the AD office more powerful than  the coach.  Most fans at most schools winning big time can't even name their AD.  Jeff Long will stay here forever because a culture was created here decades ago that he can't duplicate elsewhere.  When a big time coach comes along that has the potential to win at the highest level, he invariably becomes bigger than the AD and beyond the AD's reach, which then always becomes a problem, every. single. time.

The Hogs have had 3 coaches capable of winning a NC.  All three were shown the door by the AD and a compliant fan base that believes what the media tells them.

This.

I have said it time and time again, just look at Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson situation. Jerry wanted to be the sole reason for the Cowboys winning in the 90s. Still wants to even to this day.

 
Very accurate. You have to keep spinning things as a distraction. You have to answer the call, talk about traditions, show all of the construction, praise all of the fund raising, talk about doing it the right way. At some point these will not be able to distract from the fact that we are not competing for championships.

I have read that Long has filled the foundation or trustees with his men, so getting him out will take almost an act of God. Unless the culture of the GOBN and not wanting to compete for championships is changed, it is going to be the SOSDD.

I do think more fans are getting pissed at the way football is going, but not enough to demand change. It is going to take more empty seats during football games, less concessions being bought, and less merchandise bought to make a statement.

Bert is only going to win if Bama and Auburn have NCAA sanctions on them and have bowl bans. I don't think he could win now in the Big 10 with Meyer and Harbaugh at TOSU and Michigan, respectively.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 03, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
When I was talking about competing for championships, I was referring to an sec western championship of the world. We need something more at stake in November than shitty made up trophies.

Who needs big trophies when you have all those big GPA's to celebrate?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Peanut Adams on August 03, 2017, 10:53:49 AM
If Burls doesn't step on Stoerner, we compete for world dominance.
If Fish doesn't screw the pooch, we compete for world dominance.

Both of these were under clown shoes Nutt and it was still a game of depth and attrition back then.

We can compete, just not every single year. (sans Petrino years)
The healthiest position to take is to expect mediocrity and get super fired up the one or two years stars align and we are competitive.
Not sure if this year is one of those, but within the first 2 games you can have a good idea of where to set your expectations.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 03, 2017, 10:59:07 AM
This.

I have said it time and time again, just look at Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson situation. Jerry wanted to be the sole reason for the Cowboys winning in the 90s. Still wants to even to this day.

 
I have read that Long has filled the foundation or trustees with his men, so getting him out will take almost an act of God. Unless the culture of the GOBN and not wanting to compete for championships is changed, it is going to be the SOSDD.

I do think more fans are getting pissed at the way football is going, but not enough to demand change. It is going to take more empty seats during football games, less concessions being bought, and less merchandise bought to make a statement.

Bert is only going to win if Bama and Auburn have NCAA sanctions on them and have bowl bans. I don't think he could win now in the Big 10 with Meyer and Harbaugh at TOSU and Michigan, respectively.

The BOT is controlled by the governor, not Long. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 03, 2017, 11:13:44 AM
The BOT is controlled by the governor, not Long.

Oh. Well, I did say, "or."
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 03, 2017, 11:16:54 AM
When I was talking about competing for championships, I was referring to an sec western championship of the world. We need something more at stake in November than shitty made up trophies.
The reason we invented the trophies.

Let's face it.  We're kind of a dumb fan base.  I'm one of 'em too.   
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 03, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
The reason we invented the trophies.

Let's face it.  We're kind of a dumb fan base.  I'm one of 'em too.   

"Bread and Circuses", "Opiate of the masses", etc.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 03, 2017, 11:32:25 AM
Did he piss them off, because he was not going to take just anybody who loved the helmet?

 The Jesse Helms situation was just the icing on the cake for Broyles to pull the trigger

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Not this shit again.

Holtz was shown the door because he so wrapped up in his own celebrity that he stopped recruiting, became lackadaisical coaching AND he pissed off all the HS coaches in the state.  Lou wasn't just failing to keep up the status quo; he dug his own grave.  The Jesse Helms thing was the nail in the coffin.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 03, 2017, 11:32:55 AM
We've never really had a pro team in our market, so we don't know anything about more critical reporting.  We traditionally believe the shit that someone with the last name of Henry has shoved down our throat, quite willingly.

We deified Broyles, to the point that he was unaccountable for anything.  We're easily riled up to be paranoid about "outsiders".   We are amazingly myopic about the outside world and how far ahead the programs we try to call peers are to us. 

Let me give you a hint - the Broyles coaching tree is no more superior than fifty other coaching trees, our peer in the SEC is really South Carolina and the recruiting Bielema is doing right now is the greatest recruiting that has ever been done at Arkansas.... or at least in 20+ years. 

In the end, the Hogs are the only show in town, so get on that bus or be left out.   I'll go to every home game I can go to this season, I'll tailgate and I'll call the Hogs with passion..... but we aren't winning the SEC anytime soon.   That doesn't really depress me anymore.  I still think the LSU win a few years back to break the losing streak was an epically emotional experience and the beat down we laid on Florida recently was borderline erotic.   

I'd rather my alma mater be what it is than a football factory disguised as a university like Ohio State or Alabama. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 03, 2017, 11:37:54 AM
Not this shit again.

Holtz was shown the door because he so wrapped up in his own celebrity that he stopped recruiting, became lackadaisical coaching AND he pissed off all the HS coaches in the state.  Lou wasn't just failing to keep up the status quo; he dug his own grave.  The Jesse Helms thing was the nail in the coffin.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 03, 2017, 11:42:32 AM
We've never really had a pro team in our market, so we don't know anything about more critical reporting.  We traditionally believe the shit that someone with the last name of Henry has shoved down our throat, quite willingly.

We deified Broyles, to the point that he was unaccountable for anything.  We're easily riled up to be paranoid about "outsiders".   We are amazingly myopic about the outside world and how far ahead the programs we try to call peers are to us. 

Let me give you a hint - the Broyles coaching tree is no more superior than fifty other coaching trees, our peer in the SEC is really South Carolina and the recruiting Bielema is doing right now is the greatest recruiting that has ever been done at Arkansas.... or at least in 20+ years. 

In the end, the Hogs are the only show in town, so get on that bus or be left out.   I'll go to every home game I can go to this season, I'll tailgate and I'll call the Hogs with passion..... but we aren't winning the SEC anytime soon.   That doesn't really depress me anymore.  I still think the LSU win a few years back to break the losing streak was an epically emotional experience and the beat down we laid on Florida recently was borderline erotic.   

I'd rather my alma mater be what it is than a football factory disguised as a university like Ohio State or Alabama. 
Cosigned.  I just want us to win the games we should (out of conference and cupcakes) and compete with the elite programs on the field.  I don't expect us to win 10 every year.  I'm happy with 7-9 wins as the average as long as we win 10 games once or twice a decade and we're competitive in losses.  I agree with the Bielema recruiting assessment.  His recruiting is good to great.  Our problem is and will always be depth, and lack of elite instate talent is the greatest reason for that.  I'm inclined to believe if we gave Bielema 10 years, he'd recruit us into a top tier team.  I'm not advocating it, but I think it's the case.  He's done a good job getting kids from outside the state.  The road to where many of our fans want to be is a long one.  It takes years of recruiting and building a program from the ground up.  Ole Miss tried to take the short cut and look where it got them. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 03, 2017, 12:13:09 PM
Cosigned.  I just want us to win the games we should (out of conference and cupcakes) and compete with the elite programs on the field.  I don't expect us to win 10 every year.  I'm happy with 7-9 wins as the average as long as we win 10 games once or twice a decade and we're competitive in losses.  I agree with the Bielema recruiting assessment.  His recruiting is good to great.  Our problem is and will always be depth, and lack of elite instate talent is the greatest reason for that.  I'm inclined to believe if we gave Bielema 10 years, he'd recruit us into a top tier team.  I'm not advocating it, but I think it's the case.  He's done a good job getting kids from outside the state.  The road to where many of our fans want to be is a long one.  It takes years of recruiting and building a program from the ground up.  Ole Miss tried to take the short cut and look where it got them.

I agree with the recruiting, but the coaching is what counts the most. A lot of the close games that we have lost has to do with Bert. He wants to build up a score and sit on it, or  by his own admission take a team lightly. This has to stop. I not sure he "gets it," but this year will tell me he does or not.

I still think the defense will be too new to be any good and I am not sure we will get it together to beat the Corndogs or Starkville.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 03, 2017, 12:31:15 PM
I agree with the recruiting, but the coaching is what counts the most. A lot of the close games that we have lost has to do with Bert. He wants to build up a score and sit on it, or  by his own admission take a team lightly. This has to stop. I not sure he "gets it," but this year will tell me he does or not.

I still think the defense will be too new to be any good and I am not sure we will get it together to beat the Corndogs or Starkville.
And I think most reasonable fans agree with this assessment as well.  If we had only done this once or twice under Bielema then it would be forgivable, but you can't rest on your laurels in the SEC West.  There are too many great athletes in this league to take your foot off the gas.  Even against Mizzou.     
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 03, 2017, 12:37:27 PM
The road to where many of our fans want to be is a long one.  It takes years of recruiting and building a program from the ground up.  Ole Miss tried to take the short cut and look where it got them.

This is the party line. Doing it the right way, it takes time, look at my gpa.  It was shown not very long ago that this does not have to be the blueprint for mediocrity.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 03, 2017, 02:24:04 PM
We've never really had a pro team in our market, so we don't know anything about more critical reporting.  We traditionally believe the shit that someone with the last name of Henry has shoved down our throat, quite willingly.

We deified Broyles, to the point that he was unaccountable for anything.  We're easily riled up to be paranoid about "outsiders".   We are amazingly myopic about the outside world and how far ahead the programs we try to call peers are to us. 

Let me give you a hint - the Broyles coaching tree is no more superior than fifty other coaching trees, our peer in the SEC is really South Carolina and the recruiting Bielema is doing right now is the greatest recruiting that has ever been done at Arkansas.... or at least in 20+ years. 

In the end, the Hogs are the only show in town, so get on that bus or be left out.   I'll go to every home game I can go to this season, I'll tailgate and I'll call the Hogs with passion..... but we aren't winning the SEC anytime soon.   That doesn't really depress me anymore.  I still think the LSU win a few years back to break the losing streak was an epically emotional experience and the beat down we laid on Florida recently was borderline erotic.   

I'd rather my alma mater be what it is than a football factory disguised as a university like Ohio State or Alabama.

I pretty much agree with all of this except the recruiting part.  Bielema's recruiting has been no better, or worse, overall than pretty much every other coach's over the last 20 years.  They all recruited about the same.  You can nitpick a recruit or two but from top to bottom there's no appreciable difference.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 03, 2017, 02:46:23 PM
Whether you want to go by stars or by the offers they're turning down for us, I don't believe you can state that Bielema's recruiting isn't better than anyone recently. 

It also seems to be somewhat sustained and steady with Bielema instead of the "23rd this year.... 40th next year" pattern we saw under Nutt or previous coaches. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogfan58 on August 03, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
Who needs big trophies when you have all those big GPA's to celebrate?

This.

As long we have an AD that puts this as a higher priority than winning games, then we will never compete for any type of championship that means anything. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 03, 2017, 03:44:20 PM
I agree with a lot of what Cerdo said.
Also, we've been through this aspect in another thread... We've been out-recruited pretty much every year by South Carolina for quite a while now. If you go back and look where they've always ranked compared to us in recruiting rankings, it changes your perception quite a bit.

This is a tough job, no doubt. I think that's why all of the fat slob anti-Bielema BS wears on some around here. Just because a coach isn't constantly over-achieving here, doesn't mean they're an incompetent slob. 

Don't misunderstand that, though. Success can be had here.
Maybe Bielema sustains this thing and it continues to just slowly build over time.
Maybe, at some point, someone out there like Norvell wants to take it on and put in the work to get us there.
Maybe we never get the right guy in line. Who knows?

I just feel like dwelling on it and typing the same negative shit and comparisons over and over and over is miserable. It's not new, it's not funny any more and it damn sure isn't entertaining or interesting. It's meaningless fodder that gets in the way of any actual discussions that may be trying to show up.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 03, 2017, 03:56:11 PM
I agree with a lot of what Cerdo said.
Also, we've been through this aspect in another thread... We've been out-recruited pretty much every year by South Carolina for quite a while now. If you go back and look where they've always ranked compared to us in recruiting rankings, it changes your perception quite a bit.

This is a tough job, no doubt. I think that's why all of the fat slob anti-Bielema BS wears on some around here. Just because a coach isn't constantly over-achieving here, doesn't mean they're an incompetent slob. 

Don't misunderstand that, though. Success can be had here.
Maybe Bielema sustains this thing and it continues to just slowly build over time.
Maybe, at some point, someone out there like Norvell wants to take it on and put in the work to get us there.
Maybe we never get the right guy in line. Who knows?

I just feel like dwelling on it and typing the same negative shit and comparisons over and over and over is miserable. It's not new, it's not funny any more and it damn sure isn't entertaining or interesting. It's meaningless fodder that gets in the way of any actual discussions that may be trying to show up.

Guaranteed money does something to work ethic.  I felt like Bret was on cruise control his first two seasons.  That ALWAYS catches up to a program.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: abypfcs on August 03, 2017, 04:21:58 PM
Arkansas football in a nutshell. 
Arkansas is a peculiarity because it's one of the  top 40 football or basketball schools that makes the AD office more powerful than  the coach.  Most fans at most schools winning big time can't even name their AD.  Jeff Long will stay here forever because a culture was created here decades ago that he can't duplicate elsewhere.  When a big time coach comes along that has the potential to win at the highest level, he invariably becomes bigger than the AD and beyond the AD's reach, which then always becomes a problem, every. single. time.

The Hogs have had 3 coaches capable of winning a NC.  All three were shown the door by the AD and a compliant fan base that believes what the media tells them.
Not saying that you or Charlie are setting the acceptable bar at winning a National Championship, as this is a very unrealistic goal for almost all schools playing football.  There are just a few in that category. (ND, USC, Alabama, Florida, Ohio St, Michigan, Texas etc.)  I don't think it would change if Nick Saban or even Knute Rockne were coaching the hogs.  Not saying it is impossible, but really not realistic to even consider that as a standard.  I think we should be consistently an 8-10 win season team, and should the scheduling be favorable and some breaks, we could wind up in Atlanta.  If we are playing for an SEC title, then anything is possible.

It sure would be easier to be a fan of Ohio St and Alabama, instead of Iowa and Arkansas. :)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 03, 2017, 04:24:38 PM
I agree with a lot of what Cerdo said.
Also, we've been through this aspect in another thread... We've been out-recruited pretty much every year by South Carolina for quite a while now. If you go back and look where they've always ranked compared to us in recruiting rankings, it changes your perception quite a bit.

This is a tough job, no doubt. I think that's why all of the fat slob anti-Bielema BS wears on some around here. Just because a coach isn't constantly over-achieving here, doesn't mean they're an incompetent slob. 

Don't misunderstand that, though. Success can be had here.
Maybe Bielema sustains this thing and it continues to just slowly build over time.
Maybe, at some point, someone out there like Norvell wants to take it on and put in the work to get us there.
Maybe we never get the right guy in line. Who knows?

I just feel like dwelling on it and typing the same negative shit and comparisons over and over and over is miserable. It's not new, it's not funny any more and it damn sure isn't entertaining or interesting. It's meaningless fodder that gets in the way of any actual discussions that may be trying to show up.
:borat:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 03, 2017, 04:42:19 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect an SEC Title appearance once every eight years, a ten win season once every four years and a MINIMUM of seven wins every year.

That's not unreasonable at all.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Clark on August 03, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
Every real fan of every major program knows who their fucking AD is.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 03, 2017, 05:16:13 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect an SEC Title appearance once every eight years, a ten win season once every four years and a MINIMUM of seven wins every year.

That's not unreasonable at all.

You have to completely reset any time you switch up entire coaching staffs, though. Especially when you pretty much flip overall philosophies.
We've done that twice in the past 10 years, now.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 03, 2017, 05:18:33 PM
You have to completely reset any time you switch up entire coaching staffs, though. Especially when you pretty much flip overall philosophies.
We've done that twice in the past 10 years, now.

One time we won a ton of games after a flip.  Not so much the other time.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 03, 2017, 05:18:57 PM
Guaranteed money does something to work ethic.  I felt like Bret was on cruise control his first two seasons.  That ALWAYS catches up to a program.

If you've reached this level of the coaching profession, no matter who you are, your work ethic isn't being shaken by guaranteed money.
Your failures lie somewhere else.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 03, 2017, 05:20:04 PM
One time we won a ton of games after a flip.  Not so much the other time.

I'd be willing to bet that there's been a flip somewhere where an average amount of games were won, too.
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 03, 2017, 05:21:54 PM
Guaranteed money does something to work ethic.  I felt like Bret was on cruise control his first two seasons.  That ALWAYS catches up to a program.
Seriously? If he was looking to coast, he could have done that at Wisconsin.  Why take a difficult job in the toughest division of the toughest league in the country if you are looking to be lazy. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 03, 2017, 05:56:51 PM
Seriously? If he was looking to coast, he could have done that at Wisconsin.  Why take a difficult job in the toughest division of the toughest league in the country if you are looking to be lazy.

I agree.  If there's anything he might have been guilty of was naivety to the ways of the SEC.  The emphasis on speed finally in this class is a perfect example.  I think he's continually learning about the rigors of the SEC.  You can't coast.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 03, 2017, 06:12:02 PM
Guaranteed money does something to work ethic.  I felt like Bret was on cruise control his first two seasons.  That ALWAYS catches up to a program.

Based on what, and how could you possibly know that.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 03, 2017, 06:29:06 PM
Seriously? If he was looking to coast, he could have done that at Wisconsin.  Why take a difficult job in the toughest division of the toughest league in the country if you are looking to be lazy.

He couldn't do that at Wisconsin.  There was legit heat between he and Alvarez at the end.  Enough to where they didn't speak for what, four years?

Based on what, and how could you possibly know that.

Based on some of the mental breakdowns during games that he didn't think were issues that his teams continue to do every single year.  He liked Dickson Street a little too much the first two years.  He's human so it's not a big deal.

He was the coach at Wisconsin and did well but I really feel like he came here to prove something out from under the Alvarez shadow.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
Well Author, it was a good thought to have a no doom and gloom thread.

Bielema is a good head coach. If you can win at Wisconsin, you can win here. Hire good assistants and you win. For those that say he isn't recruiting better than anyone in the last twenty years, you're not paying attention. Kids love him so the longer he's here, the better the relationships he has with coaches and underclassmen he's going to have. We're recruiting N La and NE Texas better than we ever have and that is where we will make or break our program.

While I'm not the type to say I told you so  :maundoed:, it's going to be awesome when he wins.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 06:44:27 PM
Guaranteed money does something to work ethic.  I felt like Bret was on cruise control his first two seasons.  That ALWAYS catches up to a program.

Fatboy coached exactly like someone who was told from the start that he had six years at least no matter what.  There was absolutely no sense of urgency his first two years and at times it almost seemed like he took pride in losing a tough one so he could brag about building it the right way and tell us another little story about building fences the right way the first time.

I always wanted to tell him how lots of real farmers knew that when the cows were in the hay, you had to get their asses out and throw up a few strands until you could come back later and do it right.  If you jacked around with it too long trying to make it just right, the cows would do enough damage that it was too late and didn't matter/
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 03, 2017, 07:04:29 PM

I still think the defense will be too new to be any good and I am not sure we will get it together to beat the Corndogs or Starkville.

This does keep hope alive when next year rolls around when we'll be really good defense...amiright?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 03, 2017, 07:10:21 PM
This does keep hope alive when next year rolls around when we'll be really good defense...amiright?
Automatic one year pass. Two when we have to break in a new QB.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 07:38:49 PM
Fatboy coached exactly like someone who was told from the start that he had six years at least no matter what.  There was absolutely no sense of urgency his first two years and at times it almost seemed like he took pride in losing a tough one so he could brag about building it the right way and tell us another little story about building fences the right way the first time.

I always wanted to tell him how lots of real farmers knew that when the cows were in the hay, you had to get their asses out and throw up a few strands until you could come back later and do it right.  If you jacked around with it too long trying to make it just right, the cows would do enough damage that it was too late and didn't matter/
Yeah, I'm sure he wants to lose. You know,  because he's fat. I bet as out of shape as Bert is, he could stomp your punk ass guts out.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 07:55:22 PM
Yeah, I'm sure he wants to lose. You know,  because he's fat. I bet as out of shape as Bert is, he could stomp your punk ass guts out.

I doubt fatboy could ever lay a hand on me.  All I would have to do is dance around a bit, make him move enough to dislodge a pocket of internal lard, and then do a victory dance as he had a coronary.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 03, 2017, 07:56:02 PM
Fatboy coached exactly like someone who was told from the start that he had six years at least no matter what.  There was absolutely no sense of urgency his first two years and at times it almost seemed like he took pride in losing a tough one so he could brag about building it the right way and tell us another little story about building fences the right way the first time.

I always wanted to tell him how lots of real farmers knew that when the cows were in the hay, you had to get their asses out and throw up a few strands until you could come back later and do it right.  If you jacked around with it too long trying to make it just right, the cows would do enough damage that it was too late and didn't matter/

I watched those years and all the others and you're full of shit.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 03, 2017, 07:58:53 PM
I doubt fatboy could ever lay a hand on me.  All I would have to do is dance around a bit, make him move enough to dislodge a pocket of internal lard, and then do a victory dance as he had a coronary.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 08:01:54 PM
I watched those years and all the others and you're full of shit.

No, he practically escorted Brandon Mitchell off the campus.  All he had to do to keep the kid around was hold off until August in naming a starter.  But nooooo he was too anxious to put his stamp on the program.  He didn't have to care about winning then because he knew Jeffy had his back.

With Mitchell that first year, we would have beaten Rutgers.  Beat Rutgers and we were 4-0.  Who knows what happens after that?  He ran off quite a few players who could have helped those first few years.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 08:03:25 PM


But true because fat people deserve every bit of ridicule they get.  It is a choice.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: MoPork on August 03, 2017, 08:03:40 PM
Back to the original intent of the thread, I think we will be better than last year. I can see us winning 9 counting the bowl

On another note, this will NEVER happen but I would like to see them move Austin Cantrell to the Hog position at OLB. Dude has a nasty streak to him and our D needs more of that. Plus given the fact we have Alabama depth at tight end it wouldn't hurt us there. Won't ever happen though. I was glad to see Bell get moved and had high hopes but then he broke his foot 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 08:14:19 PM
I doubt fatboy could ever lay a hand on me.  All I would have to do is dance around a bit, make him move enough to dislodge a pocket of internal lard, and then do a victory dance as he had a coronary.
Who are you trying to kid, you've  never been in a fight in your life. You'd probably dance alright, then pee your pants
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 08:19:33 PM
Who are you trying to kid, you've  never been in a fight in your life. You'd probably dance alright, then pee your pants

I'm too pretty to fight.  Especially fat guys.  They are so icky.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 03, 2017, 08:23:52 PM
Back to the original intent of the thread, I think we will be better than last year. I can see us winning 9 counting the bowl

On another note, this will NEVER happen but I would like to see them move Austin Cantrell to the Hog position at OLB. Dude has a nasty streak to him and our D needs more of that. Plus given the fact we have Alabama depth at tight end it wouldn't hurt us there. Won't ever happen though. I was glad to see Bell get moved and had high hopes but then he broke his foot 🤦‍♂️

Do you even fullback bro? I actually like this idea of Cantrell.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: billyhog on August 03, 2017, 08:24:06 PM
I'm too pretty to fight.  Especially fat guys.  They are so icky.

I would pay to watch Bert beat your stupid ass. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 08:25:52 PM
I would pay to watch Bert beat your stupid ass.

Sweaty fat guys and ass.  Sounds right up your alley.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 08:34:07 PM
I would pay to watch Bert beat your stupid ass.

You'd have to pay.  Pay both of them.

Bert is a fucking mess.  He probably can't beat his meat.

He's gained 20 lbs since last year. 

Horrible.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 08:37:51 PM
You'd have to pay.  Pay both of them.

Bert is a fucking mess.  He probably can't beat his meat.

He's gained 20 lbs since last year. 

Horrible.
He needs to get on the crank diet like you, huh?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
He needs to get on the crank diet like you, huh?

you mad cause he fat?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 03, 2017, 08:54:29 PM
you mad cause he fat?
 

He mad.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 08:55:39 PM
He fat.  Real fat.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 09:00:33 PM
 

He mad.

Too high strung.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 03, 2017, 09:01:42 PM
There is nothing I'd like more than for the Razorbacks to win big this season. Just because I think they might be fighting for a bowl this year doesn't mean I want them to.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
There is nothing I'd like more than for the Razorbacks to win big this season. Just because I think they might be fighting for a bowl this year doesn't mean I want them to.

Why don't you want them to?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: gibraltar on August 03, 2017, 09:07:15 PM
Kirk Lazarus said some true words for the last page or so of this thread.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 03, 2017, 09:07:58 PM
Too high strung.
 

Poor soul. You're going to have to put out trigger warnings for this new generation.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 09:10:37 PM
 

Poor soul. You're going to have to put out trigger warnings for this new generation.

Like a drunk piano player, but none of them can play for blood.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 09:11:25 PM
you mad cause he fat?
Nah, I just remember your meltdown when you told us all about your drug abuse history on a game thread one night. I thought you might be able to hook him up with a bump. He could lose a lot of weight that way.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 09:14:05 PM
Nah, I just remember your meltdown when you told us all about your drug abuse history on a game thread one night. I thought you might be able to hook him up with a bump. He could lose a lot of weight that way.

Is that supposed to be a burn, LURK (?), b/c it sure feels like a compliment.  Maybe you should take a nap.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 09:17:13 PM
Is that supposed to be a burn, LURK (?), b/c it sure feels like a compliment.  Maybe you should take a nap.
You take it any way you want, THE COWBOY TIGER (?)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 09:19:58 PM
Nah, I just remember your meltdown when you told us all about your drug abuse history on a game thread one night. I thought you might be able to hook him up with a bump. He could lose a lot of weight that way.

For the record:

They're really not.  Nothing is ever really forgivable.  People say that they forget, but they don't.  I'll say my peace and be done.  I'm sorry for everything.

 I got into cocaine when I was a junior in high school.  It's no mystery that I'm a graduate of Fayetteville High School.  I'd say that the "coke problem" at FHS is bad, but I think that's overly dramatic.  I don't think that it's that big of a problem.  If you get a chick to do coke she will usually cum easier.

 It's not a problem for those doing it  I mean it is if you don't have any money.  In high school life is so casual and all of that that coke isn't a problem.  You bump and you bump again and it's fun and then  you go on.  Doing it in class?  that's bad.  you'll get in trouble with that shit.  There's a fairly; sophisticated community of nose blowers in FHS that know how to do it.  And believe me.  All of the pot heads are thought of as poors and fags and any other diminutive description you can give to a group of people.  "oh pot we're so cool."  Whatever.  you smoke weed b/c you're poor.  Cool kids drink beer or spirits (HS kids don't call it that) or party and by party i mean do cocaine.  I had a buddy who got busted for drinking at senior prom.  We were doing sleds in the bathroom.  Dumb ass.

 If there is coke at all in a community it's bad.  So it's not a problem there, or wasn't, it just is.  We did coke.  It was mostly snorting.  There were a few guys that would smoke it, but we thought that was really weird and poor.  Like, why the fuck are you trying to smoke it?  It's not crack, which actually is better than coke IMO b/c you do smoke it.  Snorting fucking sucks.  I really don't like how it makes my eyes feel.  It's a sinus thing, but WHATEVER.  Being young and stupid, smoking coke is not an easy thing to do.  So crack or whatever.  Smoking coke fucking rocks if you can get the avenue to do it..  There is nothing as good as that.  Meth is not as good as smoking cocaine.  The thing with meth is that it really does last longer.  It's really extraordinary when I think about how meth has enabled so many poors to experience something similar to a cocaine high.

Make no mistake:  meth's high is not as good as coke.  Never will be, but it's pretty good.  You shouldn't do meth, though, b/c it means that you're very poor and stupid
Title: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 03, 2017, 09:25:44 PM
Why don't you want them to?

Because...
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 09:29:25 PM
For the record:

They're really not.  Nothing is ever really forgivable.  People say that they forget, but they don't.  I'll say my peace and be done.  I'm sorry for everything.

 I got into cocaine when I was a junior in high school.  It's no mystery that I'm a graduate of Fayetteville High School.  I'd say that the "coke problem" at FHS is bad, but I think that's overly dramatic.  I don't think that it's that big of a problem.  If you get a chick to do coke she will usually cum easier.

 It's not a problem for those doing it  I mean it is if you don't have any money.  In high school life is so casual and all of that that coke isn't a problem.  You bump and you bump again and it's fun and then  you go on.  Doing it in class?  that's bad.  you'll get in trouble with that shit.  There's a fairly; sophisticated community of nose blowers in FHS that know how to do it.  And believe me.  All of the pot heads are thought of as poors and fags and any other diminutive description you can give to a group of people.  "oh pot we're so cool."  Whatever.  you smoke weed b/c you're poor.  Cool kids drink beer or spirits (HS kids don't call it that) or party and by party i mean do cocaine.  I had a buddy who got busted for drinking at senior prom.  We were doing sleds in the bathroom.  Dumb ass.

 If there is coke at all in a community it's bad.  So it's not a problem there, or wasn't, it just is.  We did coke.  It was mostly snorting.  There were a few guys that would smoke it, but we thought that was really weird and poor.  Like, why the fuck are you trying to smoke it?  It's not crack, which actually is better than coke IMO b/c you do smoke it.  Snorting fucking sucks.  I really don't like how it makes my eyes feel.  It's a sinus thing, but WHATEVER.  Being young and stupid, smoking coke is not an easy thing to do.  So crack or whatever.  Smoking coke fucking rocks if you can get the avenue to do it..  There is nothing as good as that.  Meth is not as good as smoking cocaine.  The thing with meth is that it really does last longer.  It's really extraordinary when I think about how meth has enabled so many poors to experience something similar to a cocaine high.

Make no mistake:  meth's high is not as good as coke.  Never will be, but it's pretty good.  You shouldn't do meth, though, b/c it means that you're very poor and stupid

Yeah, that's the one. You were tweaking hard that night.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 03, 2017, 09:29:59 PM
I'll bet you ol Bert ain't no stranger to a line or two in his life.  He looks like he likes to party.  And on some of those Monday press conferences he looks like he has been on a bender all red eyed, red nosed, and sniffling all over the place.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 09:30:20 PM
Yeah, that's the one. You were tweaking hard that night.  :thumbup:

Son, you don't even know what tweaking means.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 09:34:13 PM
Son, you don't even know what tweaking means.
Well shit, why don't you tell me about it, dad.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 03, 2017, 09:44:45 PM
Well shit, why don't you tell me about it, dad.
 

It means not being a dork. That's a mystery you won't unravel,
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on August 03, 2017, 09:45:04 PM
"Bread and Circuses" "Religion", "Opiate of the masses", etc.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 09:48:04 PM
 

It means not being a dork. That's a mystery you won't unravel,
Ooh, good one;  but I wasn't talking to you, dipshit
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 03, 2017, 09:52:00 PM
Ooh, good one;  but I wasn't talking to you, dipshit
 

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 09:58:23 PM
 

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Northwest Ordinance took care of pussy communists for a reason...b/c they're detrimental to survival.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 03, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
You shouldn't do meth, though, b/c it means that you're very poor and stupid


Or a Mizzou fan.  Welcome back from what I assume was a stint in rehab  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 03, 2017, 10:00:40 PM
With Mitchell that first year, we would have beaten Rutgers.  Beat Rutgers and we were 4-0.  Who knows what happens after that? 

we go 4-8
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 10:02:08 PM
Or a Mizzou fan.  Welcome back from what I assume was a stint in rehab  :thumbup:

I'm just ready to get my kicks before this whole shit house goes up in flames.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 03, 2017, 10:04:43 PM
Proactive  :borat:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 03, 2017, 10:05:07 PM
I'm just ready to get my kicks before this whole shit house goes up in flames.
Careful, or you'll trigger your buddy punkin with talk like that.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on August 03, 2017, 10:09:53 PM
Careful, or you'll trigger your buddy punkin with talk like that.

Oooo I like it when lurk talk as good as white folk.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 03, 2017, 10:15:10 PM
Careful, or you'll trigger your buddy punkin with talk like that.
 

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 04, 2017, 08:31:24 AM
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect an SEC Title appearance once every eight years, a ten win season once every four years and a MINIMUM of seven wins every year.

That's not unreasonable at all.
Minumum 7 wins per year is tough to accomplish over a long haul whether we want to admit it or not. In the last 10 years here's how all the SEC teams have faired meeting that goal.

Seasons under 7 wins:
0 - Bama, LSU
1- Florida, Georgia
2 - Texas A&M, Aub
3 - Arkansas, Miss St, Mizzou, S Caro
4 - Ole Miss
6 - Tennessee, Kentucky, Vandy,
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 04, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
if i'm tennessee i'm insanely pissed.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 04, 2017, 09:33:20 AM
First of all, there ain't nothing wrong with a little cocaine.  I'm too broke and have no access to it, but there isn't anything wrong with enjoying it once in a while, just like you would enjoy a glass of fine whiskey or a couple of horny girls looking to party.   

Second of all, this program is probably loaded in with as much depth as it has had in a long time.  There isn't the wild swing at positions like QB now, where we go from a real QB to some guy like Casey Dick.   Bielema continues to pack quality depth at QB, at TE, all over the backfield and he's trying like hell in the lines and front seven, the difference being that those positions are otherworldly loaded in the SEC and we're playing catch up.   He hasn't exactly been aided by a strong high school group in the last few years so maybe when the state cycles back up to producing a talent like Shawn Andrews and 8 other SEC level guys in a senior class, then we can make some noise. 

By the way, I know it's only a fluff piece from the paper, but the Jeremy Patton  kid sure makes it sound like Lunney is the reason he's here, over the impressive offers he received.   He was definitely an upgrade. 

I don't know what our final W-L will be, but I don't think we are appreciably in any worse situation than the other West schools not working the system in Tuscaloosa.    I feel better about taking Allen in to a game than any other SEC QB right now and I don't think we'll struggle to score points.  I'm guessing it will come down to shootouts some to win this year again because teams will make hay against our run D  and that won't change until we load up on Linebackers like MS State and Auburn does and we're still years off from that. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 04, 2017, 09:35:42 AM
First of all, there ain't nothing wrong with a little cocaine.  I'm too broke and have no access to it, but there isn't anything wrong with enjoying it once in a while, just like you would enjoy a glass of fine whiskey or a couple of horny girls looking to party.   



these guys like your style

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 04, 2017, 09:41:52 AM
these guys like your style

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Greatly underrated movie. That scene alone is hilarious.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: lawtiger on August 04, 2017, 09:56:20 AM
that won't change until we load up on Linebackers like MS State and Auburn does and we're still years off from that.

Funny you include Auburn in your example.  Last year was the first time in 6 years or so that I felt like we had SEC-caliber LBs.  It's been a point of contention to the point that poor Jake Holland (former MLB) is meme-fodder for his inexplicably poor play.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 04, 2017, 10:41:23 AM
Greatly underrated movie. That scene alone is hilarious.
Damn straight. Love that movie!

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 04, 2017, 10:49:46 AM
if i'm tennessee i'm insanely pissed.
Yep. After Bama, UT has the most SEC titles in league history but none since 1998.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 04, 2017, 11:01:26 AM
Funny you include Auburn in your example.  Last year was the first time in 6 years or so that I felt like we had SEC-caliber LBs.  It's been a point of contention to the point that poor Jake Holland (former MLB) is meme-fodder for his inexplicably poor play.
I'm not sure Arkansas has had a linebacker in 15 years that would have started at Auburn.  I'd guess Caleb Miller would have been the last. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Snortingred1 on August 04, 2017, 11:04:08 AM
I've always wondered why graduating players keeps getting ripped on here.  Like, winning is far more important than the UA churning out quality people.  Personally I like how the graduation rate has been.  With the exception of some boneheads here and there, the team has mostly kept out of trouble.  Yeah yeah, big time schools cover up for their winners.  WTF ever with that.  Eventually some of those people are going to have karma catch up in a very big way.  I'm happy with coach, and how he runs the ship.  I like how recruiting is most certainly improving, even if in tiny amounts.  I just try to look at the bigger picture.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 04, 2017, 11:14:12 AM
I'm not sure Arkansas has had a linebacker in 15 years that would have started at Auburn.  I'd guess Caleb Miller would have been the last.

No love for  Spaight?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 04, 2017, 11:16:26 AM
Damn straight. Love that movie!

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I liked the scene where Tom Hanks asks the room if he had sex with anyone, and the whole room goes,"No!"
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 04, 2017, 12:21:17 PM
I'm not sure Arkansas has had a linebacker in 15 years that would have started at Auburn.  I'd guess Caleb Miller would have been the last.
Martrell Spaight would like a word.
That's about it going back to Quinton Caver though.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: NotoriousPIG on August 04, 2017, 12:31:05 PM
Martrell Spaight would like a word.
That's about it going back to Quinton Caver though.

Jermaine Petty says hello
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 04, 2017, 01:08:30 PM
Jermaine Petty says hello
  from a whole 1 year later.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogTat on August 04, 2017, 02:42:02 PM
I liked the scene where Tom Hanks asks the room if he had sex with anyone, and the whole room goes,"No!"

There are so many, though.  I think mine is the manager asks them where they think they are in the elevator.  "Beyond the sun?"
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 04, 2017, 03:25:26 PM
Yeah, in hindsight, you can put Petty in that group too.


Man, even when we get good LB's, we pretty much only get a season out of them.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boar Bidet on August 04, 2017, 03:41:24 PM
All your wives/gf's are now going to bitch about something else this season...u of A is implementing the clear bag rule like other major stadiums. One clear bag per person  hat doesn't exceed 12"x6x12" or one gallon freezer bag or a clutch purse no larger than he palm of your hand. Fuck that. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 04, 2017, 03:44:59 PM
This thread just shows that while The Cowboy Tiger may not be the hero we want he is indeed the hero we need.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 04, 2017, 03:45:34 PM
All your wives/gf's are now going to bitch about something else this season...u of A is implementing the clear bag rule like other major stadiums. One clear bag per person  hat doesn't exceed 12"x6x12" or one gallon freezer bag or a clutch purse no larger than he palm of your hand. Fuck that.
I always suspected that many of you were terr'ists.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 04, 2017, 03:45:44 PM
a fifth of fireball fits nicely into a quart freezer bag so what's the big deal?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boar Bidet on August 04, 2017, 03:48:58 PM
a fifth of fireball fits nicely into a quart freezer bag so what's the big deal?
i mean just think the travesty of all those young sorority girls toying their tampons to games in a freezer bag
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 04, 2017, 03:50:59 PM
First of all, there ain't nothing wrong with a little cocaine. I'm too broke and have no access to it, but there isn't anything wrong with enjoying it once in a while, just like you would enjoy a glass of fine whiskey or a couple of horny girls looking to party.   
Those are the things that made cocaine a perfect recreational drug. Meth on the other hand, is a full time job.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 04, 2017, 03:52:45 PM
i mean just think the travesty of all those young sorority girls toying their tampons to games in a freezer bag
Okay, you're going to have to tell me about this.  :stache:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boar Bidet on August 04, 2017, 03:56:18 PM
Okay, you're going to have to tell me about this.  :stache:
dont you know my posting by now? That should read toting around.
 But I guess they could toy with their tampons when they soak them in vodka to get drunk but stay skinny
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 04, 2017, 04:01:43 PM
Jermaine Petty says hello
Jermaine Petty was 2001. Outside the 15 year window, he stated.


What about Jerry Franklin?

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 04, 2017, 04:02:07 PM
dont you know my posting by now? That should read toting around.
 But I guess they could toy with their tampons when they soak them in vodka to get drunk but stay skinny
:D
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: NotoriousPIG on August 04, 2017, 04:06:07 PM
Jermaine Petty was 2001. Outside the 15 year window, he stated.


What about Jerry Franklin?

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Ah, missed that


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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 04, 2017, 04:13:40 PM
This thread just shows that while The Cowboy Tiger may not be the hero we want he is indeed the hero we need.
Jesus. I'd rather have Hugh Freeze as our hero. C(un)T needs to go back to rehab.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 04, 2017, 04:39:50 PM
All your wives/gf's are now going to bitch about something else this season...u of A is implementing the clear bag rule like other major stadiums. One clear bag per person  hat doesn't exceed 12"x6x12" or one gallon freezer bag or a clutch purse no larger than he palm of your hand. Fuck that.

Link?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boar Bidet on August 04, 2017, 04:43:36 PM
Link?
http://5newsonline.com/2017/08/03/university-of-arkansas-implements-clear-bag-policy/

Or did you want a link to tampons?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TWPFKAHDH on August 04, 2017, 05:24:40 PM
i mean just think the travesty of all those young sorority girls toying their tampons to games in a freezer bag

The game is just a few hours, so why don't they just stuff a fresh one?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: tboned on August 04, 2017, 05:43:21 PM
Okay, you're going to have to tell me about this.  :stache:

Heck yeah, we have rules, I hear.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boar Bidet on August 04, 2017, 06:06:54 PM
The game is just a few hours, so why don't they just stuff a fresh one?
true. But some ladies can't do without their entire lives stuffed in a purse.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Satch on August 04, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
true. But some ladies can't do without their entire lives stuffed in a purse.
they can.  they don't
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 04, 2017, 08:13:35 PM
All your wives/gf's are now going to bitch about something else this season...u of A is implementing the clear bag rule like other major stadiums. One clear bag per person  hat doesn't exceed 12"x6x12" or one gallon freezer bag or a clutch purse no larger than he palm of your hand. Fuck that.
Why would you need to carry anything larger that that?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 04, 2017, 09:01:01 PM
This thread just shows that while The Cowboy Tiger may not be the hero we want he is indeed the hero we need.
 

(http://i.imgur.com/vB9B5.gif)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 05, 2017, 02:21:07 AM
Seriously? If he was looking to coast, he could have done that at Wisconsin.  Why take a difficult job in the toughest division of the toughest league in the country if you are looking to be lazy.

This one was too easy to pass up.  If you have an AD that WRITES YOU A LETTER asking you to come coach and you're guaranteed to get a $15 million buyout after a 6-6 season, is that not looking to coast?

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 05, 2017, 06:39:40 AM
This one was too easy to pass up.  If you have an AD that WRITES YOU A LETTER asking you to come coach and you're guaranteed to get a $15 million buyout after a 6-6 season, is that not looking to coast?

People who are driven enough to get in position to make shit tons of money generally don't coast after they get there. It's a personality thing.

People who would coast if they were really rich never get rich in the first place, because they're not driven enough (unless they win the lottery). It's a personality thing.

By the way, I'm not rich. I will admit, I'm not a driven guy. I'd rather watch college football all Saturday than work some more.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 05, 2017, 07:31:04 AM
This one was too easy to pass up.  If you have an AD that WRITES YOU A LETTER asking you to come coach and you're guaranteed to get a $15 million buyout after a 6-6 season, is that not looking to coast?
I thought BB was the one that wrote JL a LETTER after the whole BP fiasco.  A lot of coaches have ridiculous buyouts, just because you would coast in that situation doesn't mean that BB is. 
Oct 2016 article with top 5 buyouts:
1. Jimbo Fisher   $33.125
2. Urban Meyer   $27.43 Million
3. Jim Harbaugh  $25.55
4. Kirk Ferentz     $25.3 Million
5. Bob Stoops      $24.79 Million

And the whole GPA deal, why are people pissed that there is an increased focus on education?  Its not a mutually exclusive deal with wins as people try and make it.  We are at a place in our society now where we are complaining about a focus on a kids grades because there is a perception that it will cause us as fans to not enjoy as many "wins".  Think about that.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogfan58 on August 05, 2017, 07:32:04 AM
I've always wondered why graduating players keeps getting ripped on here.  Like, winning is far more important than the UA churning out quality people.  Personally I like how the graduation rate has been.  With the exception of some boneheads here and there, the team has mostly kept out of trouble.  Yeah yeah, big time schools cover up for their winners.  WTF ever with that.  Eventually some of those people are going to have karma catch up in a very big way.  I'm happy with coach, and how he runs the ship.  I like how recruiting is most certainly improving, even if in tiny amounts.  I just try to look at the bigger picture.

That's not what most people bitch about. It's Long's obsession with having the highest football GPA in the SEC.
I have a news flash for him, and you. You can graduate from the the UofA-F without having a high GPA.
I know because I did it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 05, 2017, 08:58:18 AM
just because you would coast in that situation doesn't mean that BB is. 

because....

People who are driven enough to get in position to make shit tons of money generally don't coast after they get there. It's a personality thing.

People who would coast if they were really rich never get rich in the first place, because they're not driven enough (unless they win the lottery). It's a personality thing.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 05, 2017, 11:36:43 AM
That's not what most people bitch about. It's Long's obsession with having the highest football GPA in the SEC.
I have a news flash for him, and you. You can graduate from the the UofA-F without having a high GPA.
I know because I did it.

This isn't clarifying anything in my mind, and I'm sure others.
The GPA focus does not hinder the physical performance on the field.
It can only help recruiting, long term.

Just admit that you and others are only pissy when the AD celebrates good grades after losing a big game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SooieeecidalTendencies on August 05, 2017, 12:31:58 PM
Season tickets should arrive in two business days. Shipped via UPS 2 Day per the email message received this morning. 

 :rainbow: for some.
 :haironfire: for others.

 :helmet:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Born on August 05, 2017, 03:23:52 PM
just fuck em.  The haters/nay-sayers/everyone who has a hurt penis because the Coach has not pulled 15-0 seasons out of his ass.

I am still watching the games/listening to the games/etc.

;; being sarcasm ;;

Rest of you can take your coke-swilling hurt vaginas and do something constructive.   Sonic in Alma may need a jizz-mopper and blood-cleaner-upper, form all the epic love-ins and battles that go on there.

;; sarcasm ;;

 8-)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 05, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
Sounds like LaMichael Pettyway is doing some things. He had two 60+ yard receptions from AA one going for a TD.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Wooisme on August 05, 2017, 04:37:43 PM
I thought BB was the one that wrote JL a LETTER after the whole BP fiasco.  A lot of coaches have ridiculous buyouts, just because you would coast in that situation doesn't mean that BB is. 
Oct 2016 article with top 5 buyouts:
1. Jimbo Fisher   $33.125
2. Urban Meyer   $27.43 Million
3. Jim Harbaugh  $25.55
4. Kirk Ferentz     $25.3 Million
5. Bob Stoops      $24.79 Million

And the whole GPA deal, why are people pissed that there is an increased focus on education?  Its not a mutually exclusive deal with wins as people try and make it.  We are at a place in our society now where we are complaining about a focus on a kids grades because there is a perception that it will cause us as fans to not enjoy as many "wins".  Think about that.

Bet there's NOT a single coach above who had the right to pay as little as 2 million dollars to walk away from their employers.  The buyouts above are designed to keep others from stealing these coaches.  None of them (I'll wager) is designed to ONLY hamstring the employer in getting rid of the coach. 

The buyouts above?  Two way street.  You want their coach, pay up.  You want to fire your coach, pay up. Same amount. 

Long's way?  A one way that favors the coach and hampers the program.

Big, big difference and (imo) indefensible.

Finally, bragging about the G.P.A. is just more of Long's empty public relations attempting to justify on field mediocrity and a lack of competitiveness.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 05, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
Scrimmage report

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/05/takeaways-arkansas-first-fall-scrimmage/
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on August 05, 2017, 04:43:29 PM
Scrimmage report

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/05/takeaways-arkansas-first-fall-scrimmage/

 :borat:

I am concerned about the oline looking better at pass blocking than run blocking.  considering our track record of bad run blocking to start the year for 2 years running, and how shitastic our pass blocking was last year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 05, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
:borat:

I am concerned about the oline looking better at pass blocking than run blocking.  considering our track record of bad run blocking to start the year for 2 years running, and how shitastic our pass blocking was last year.

I would think there's been heavy concentration on protecting AA. We will need good run blocking, but we are as deep at RB since we had McFadden, Jones, and Hillis. Don't misquote me. I didn't say this crew was better. Just lots of talent.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 05, 2017, 05:05:19 PM
Sounds like LaMichael Pettyway is doing some things. He had two 60+ yard receptions from AA one going for a TD.
Sounds like our secondary has picked up where it left off last year...
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 05, 2017, 05:24:10 PM
Sounds like LaMichael Pettyway is doing some things. He had two 60+ yard receptions from AA one going for a TD.

He looked like a NFL WR last year, physically anyway. I think he will be tough to defend 1 on 1.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 05, 2017, 05:37:00 PM
Sounds like our secondary has picked up where it left off last year...

Pulley is the only one I would trust. Ramirez is getting talked up this off season and Liddell has played a lot. Lots of question marks.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 05, 2017, 05:37:44 PM
12-1 motherfuckers.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 05, 2017, 05:42:10 PM
Bet there's NOT a single coach above who had the right to pay as little as 2 million dollars to walk away from their employers.  The buyouts above are designed to keep others from stealing these coaches.  None of them (I'll wager) is designed to ONLY hamstring the employer in getting rid of the coach. 

The buyouts above?  Two way street.  You want their coach, pay up.  You want to fire your coach, pay up. Same amount. 

Long's way?  A one way that favors the coach and hampers the program.

Big, big difference and (imo) indefensible.

Finally, bragging about the G.P.A. is just more of Long's empty public relations attempting to justify on field mediocrity and a lack of competitiveness.
I understand that it works both ways.  BBs buyout is still less than Petrino's was and isn't out of line compared to most top programs.  My point was that just because a coach has a large buyout clause doesn't mean that they cruise or coast or however it was described. 
As for the GPA, I know most fans don't give a shit, just win games so I can brag, right?  The reality of the matter is that these players are people who are trying to better themselves.  Their parents give a shit and when the school puts effort into the student's education and gives them tools to succeed after their playing days are over, that matters a lot to them.  Maybe not to you, but really how much should a program value the opinion of a "fan" that only cares about wins and nothing else, not the players, not their education, their future, etc? 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 05, 2017, 06:03:19 PM
I understand that it works both ways.  BBs buyout is still less than Petrino's was and isn't out of line compared to most top programs.  My point was that just because a coach has a large buyout clause doesn't mean that they cruise or coast or however it was described. 
As for the GPA, I know most fans don't give a shit, just win games so I can brag, right?  The reality of the matter is that these players are people who are trying to better themselves.  Their parents give a shit and when the school puts effort into the student's education and gives them tools to succeed after their playing days are over, that matters a lot to them.  Maybe not to you, but really how much should a program value the opinion of a "fan" that only cares about wins and nothing else, not the players, not their education, their future, etc?

BB's buyout is less than Petrino's?  False. 

After he was rumored to be a candidate at Florida, Bobby requested that his buyout be higher in the university's favor.  He would've had to pay a hell of a lot more to leave than he would've gotten had we fired him for on-field reasons.  It was pretty much the exact opposite of Bielema's agreement.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 05, 2017, 06:12:55 PM
My bad. I was going off this ESPN article that did that Petrinos buyout was $18 million. If he hadn't been fired for cause he would have been owed that amount by the UofA right?http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/7798429/arkansas-razorbacks-fire-bobby-petrino-coach (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/7798429/arkansas-razorbacks-fire-bobby-petrino-coach)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 05, 2017, 06:41:33 PM
Bet there's NOT a single coach above who had the right to pay as little as 2 million dollars to walk away from their employers.

BB's buyout is less than Petrino's?  False. 
Let's try talking about facts, for a moment:

15.4 million if he's fired any time before 2018 and a minimum of $7.9 million if if he's fired any time before 2020. But Bielema would only owe Arkansas $4 million if he leaves in 2015 and would owe progressively less over the course of the contract down to only $500,000 on Jan. 1, 2019.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/arkansas-gives-bret-bielema-raise-extension-through-2020/

The contract also includes an $18 million mutual buyout clause in 2011-12 should the university fire Petrino or he leave the school. The buyout is lowered by $25,000 in 2013 and falls to $14.5 million in 2014 and $10.8 million in 2015. It’s $7.4 million in 2016 and $3.9 million in the final year of the deal.
http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/coach-bobby-petrino-agrees-to-new-seven-year-contract-at-arkansas-121110


The deals are structured differently.
Petrino definitely once had a higher buyout than Bielema currently has.
This is a ridiculously dumb argument.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 05, 2017, 06:46:06 PM
The sins of Bobby has smited this thread. But while we are on the subject of contract structures, I wonder if the complete opposite type of contract could be considered appropriate for these vastly different candidates. I probably should have saved that for "the current state of the program" thread.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 05, 2017, 06:53:59 PM
:borat:

I am concerned about the oline looking better at pass blocking than run blocking.  considering our track record of bad run blocking to start the year for 2 years running, and how shitastic our pass blocking was last year.

Me too.  Hayden had 118 yards on 15 carries.  Sounds great until you read that 94 came on two of them. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bleedinred on August 05, 2017, 07:05:07 PM
here is a fact: Petrino earned his buyout by his teams onfield results. What has Bret done to justify his buyout?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 05, 2017, 07:12:57 PM
here is a fact: Petrino earned his buyout by his teams onfield results. What has Bret done to justify his buyout?

Oh I dunno, another year like last season and I'll say he will have done enough to justify his buyout.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 05, 2017, 07:14:25 PM
here is a fact: Petrino earned his buyout by his teams onfield results. What has Bret done to justify his buyout?
If we're going to get into the game of only issuing out contracts based on what has been earned, then we're going to have a rough time finding a new coach.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 05, 2017, 08:22:45 PM
Oh I dunno, another year like last season and I'll say he will have done enough to justify his buyout.
Sometimes you pay a guy what it takes to make him go away.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 05, 2017, 08:44:31 PM
here is a fact: Petrino earned his buyout by his teams onfield results. What has Bret done to justify his buyout?
In reality, coaches are evaluated by much more than just their "onfield results". You know that. Otherwise Art Briles would still be at Baylor, Freeze would still be at Ole Miss, Petrino wouldn't have been fired at Arkansas and Joe Paterno would have been allowed to retire at the end of the season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 05, 2017, 09:16:56 PM
The sins of Bobby has smited this thread.

That shadow won't go away anytime soon.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 06, 2017, 08:38:22 AM
12-1 motherfuckers.
Are those the odds we'll finish with a winning record?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 06, 2017, 08:48:36 AM
Are those the odds we'll finish with a winning record?

Easy money
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 06, 2017, 09:32:10 AM
My bad. I was going off this ESPN article that did that Petrinos buyout was $18 million. If he hadn't been fired for cause he would have been owed that amount by the UofA right?http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/7798429/arkansas-razorbacks-fire-bobby-petrino-coach (http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/7798429/arkansas-razorbacks-fire-bobby-petrino-coach)

My mistake.  I remembered incorrectly as far as Petrino's buyout being one-legged, or heavily tilted in our favor. 

It was definitely a much better financial deal for the UA regardless of amount due to it being mutual.  Bielema's contract offers zero protection for the university to keep him from leaving (if that's what we want), and gives him ultimate protection from being fired. 

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 06, 2017, 09:35:13 AM
My mistake.  I remembered incorrectly as far as Petrino's buyout being one-legged, or heavily tilted in our favor. 

It was definitely a much better financial deal for the UA regardless of amount due to it being mutual.  Bielema's contract offers zero protection for the university to keep him from leaving (if that's what we want), and gives him ultimate protection from being fired. 



Which was necessary to sign him in the first place, considering he was an established power 5 coach with a winning record, multiple BCS appearances and solid job security.

Petrino getting such a big contract was more about him wanted to put to rest the idea that he was itching to move on.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 06, 2017, 10:18:24 AM
One thing I do miss about the old woopig is that it used to have some good football threads. So, for those of you that may not know about these websites. Here's a couple with a lot of articles.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/

https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/football-news/football

Getting this in before someone posts that they won't read so and so. You don't HAVE to read the old hands that you don't like. There are others writing about them that aren't bad and don't report the party line.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 06, 2017, 10:18:26 AM
My mistake.  I remembered incorrectly as far as Petrino's buyout being one-legged, or heavily tilted in our favor. 

It was definitely a much better financial deal for the UA regardless of amount due to it being mutual.  Bielema's contract offers zero protection for the university to keep him from leaving (if that's what we want), and gives him ultimate protection from being fired.
Agreed, which in turn (and like Petrino's deal) helps the coach while recruiting.  It puts to bed rumors that a coach won't be there for long, for whatever reason (and the two coaches' reasons would be different in this case)

My main problem is the assertion that BB is being lazy and just coasting.  There are so many variables that factor into a teams record that you can't just say "Since BB has a large buyout and he hasn't cracked .500 at Arkansas then he's lazy and coasting.  I think there was a discussion during his hire that resulted in his contract being structured in a way to protect him through the rough (and it was rough) initial few seasons.

 I don't really care if anyone agrees with me about this.  It is just my opinion that he's an above average coach who is building things here in the right way, knowing that it takes a while.  His recruiting isn't flashy but I think he's building depth and attracting the type of players that we can be proud of on and off the field.  That means something to me, but I understand that others don't really care about anything other than wins.  To each his own. I'd rather go this route than try and take shortcuts like Ole Miss.  They had great classes and a lot of flashy recruits but they didn't really gain too much on the field and certainly nothing worth the punishment they are about to receive.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 06, 2017, 11:28:54 AM
Agreed, which in turn (and like Petrino's deal) helps the coach while recruiting.  It puts to bed rumors that a coach won't be there for long, for whatever reason (and the two coaches' reasons would be different in this case)

My main problem is the assertion that BB is being lazy and just coasting.  There are so many variables that factor into a teams record that you can't just say "Since BB has a large buyout and he hasn't cracked .500 at Arkansas then he's lazy and coasting.  I think there was a discussion during his hire that resulted in his contract being structured in a way to protect him through the rough (and it was rough) initial few seasons.

 I don't really care if anyone agrees with me about this.  It is just my opinion that he's an above average coach who is building things here in the right way, knowing that it takes a while.  His recruiting isn't flashy but I think he's building depth and attracting the type of players that we can be proud of on and off the field.  That means something to me, but I understand that others don't really care about anything other than wins.  To each his own. I'd rather go this route than try and take shortcuts like Ole Miss.  They had great classes and a lot of flashy recruits but they didn't really gain too much on the field and certainly nothing worth the punishment they are about to receive.
The assessment that BB is lazy and coasting is just lazy.  Nothing that the man has done would lead an intelligent person to conclude that he is lazy and coasting.  He has been all over the state to rebuild the relationship with the fans.  He has done the same to rebuild the relationship with the coaches that was damn near destroyed by the end of the Nutt era, the Petrino era, and the year of clown shoes that was John L Smith and company.  We have reopened recruiting avenues into Texas and N Louisiana that haven't been solid since we joined the SEC.  Coaches that were not into recruiting and working hard have been shown the door. 

He just needs to win.  Let's stop the "he's fat and lazy" comments though.  He is certainly not lazy. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 06, 2017, 12:27:13 PM
My mistake.  I remembered incorrectly as far as Petrino's buyout being one-legged, or heavily tilted in our favor. 

It was definitely a much better financial deal for the UA regardless of amount due to it being mutual.  Bielema's contract offers zero protection for the university to keep him from leaving (if that's what we want), and gives him ultimate protection from being fired.

IIRC, there was at least rumors (maybe just message board speculation) that the buyout might be skewed more in the university's favor as a condition of possibly retaining BMFP after the infamous April Fools Day incident.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 06, 2017, 01:25:40 PM
Me too.  Hayden had 118 yards on 15 carries.  Sounds great until you read that 94 came on two of them.
Then sounds great again when you realize that he did it against the 1st D with a D coach commenting that "we had him defensed" and what a great play he made. I posted his hudl video in the recruiting thread and commented something like "it's eight minutes of long touchdown runs". There are a lot of playmakers in this last class. Jarrod Barnes, De'vion Warren, Koilan Jackson are 3 other freshmen that we need to play this year. The D backs from last year and this year should give us some depth and may push for playing time as the year goes on. These last 2 classes have better speed than what we had been landing.   
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HOGGLY WOGGLY on August 06, 2017, 01:48:03 PM
So this happened.  :stache:

(https://i.imgur.com/t2TdazS.png)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 06, 2017, 01:53:06 PM
So this happened.  :stache:

(https://i.imgur.com/t2TdazS.png)

 :maundoed:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 06, 2017, 05:44:00 PM
The assessment that BB is lazy and coasting is just lazy.  Nothing that the man has done would lead an intelligent person to conclude that he is lazy and coasting.  He has been all over the state to rebuild the relationship with the fans.  He has done the same to rebuild the relationship with the coaches that was damn near destroyed by the end of the Nutt era, the Petrino era, and the year of clown shoes that was John L Smith and company.  We have reopened recruiting avenues into Texas and N Louisiana that haven't been solid since we joined the SEC.  Coaches that were not into recruiting and working hard have been shown the door. 

He just needs to win.  Let's stop the "he's fat and lazy" comments though.  He is certainly not lazy.

He has been lazy about finding a Special Teams Coach.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 06, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
The original contract's big buyout might have been necessary to sign him, give him security in the first yeasrs while slowly building his empire, whatever.  But doubling down in 2015 after non-remarkable results to date was both unnecessary (since we had already signed him) and dumb.  He's untouchable this year and next, and even then it would still be expensive, all because Long not only extended the expiration term of the deal, but he also pushed back the date the buyout number started to drop. 

To me it is immaterial whether or not he is "lazy."  Long put the University in a position where it can't get rid of a coach who might prove unsatisfactory for way too long.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 06, 2017, 08:14:01 PM
Petrino's mutual buyout had something to do with his job-hopping rep, too.

Some of y'all should go look at Kirby Smart and Kevin Sumlin buyouts.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 06, 2017, 08:23:04 PM
Then sounds great again when you realize that he did it against the 1st D with a D coach commenting that "we had him defensed" and what a great play he made. I posted his hudl video in the recruiting thread and commented something like "it's eight minutes of long touchdown runs". There are a lot of playmakers in this last class. Jarrod Barnes, De'vion Warren, Koilan Jackson are 3 other freshmen that we need to play this year. The D backs from last year and this year should give us some depth and may push for playing time as the year goes on. These last 2 classes have better speed than what we had been landing.   

My comment was about the O-line, not him.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Wooisme on August 06, 2017, 09:42:23 PM
Bottom line is that Mr. Long is supposed to be working in the UA Program's best interest.  He negotiated and signed a buyout that is obviously tilted in Bielema's favor (by a country mile).  It protects Bielema while doing nothing but shackling the program to a mediocre coach.  There was and is nothing "mutually beneficial" about that.

With all this talk about recruiting inroads and repairing relationships, I wasn't sure what team anyone was talking about...certainly NOT the Razorbacks.  Good grief, we're as mediocre recruiting as we are in EVERY other aspect of the game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 06, 2017, 10:31:03 PM
Bottom line is that Mr. Long is supposed to be working in the UA Program's best interest.  He negotiated and signed a buyout that is obviously tilted in Bielema's favor (by a country mile).  It protects Bielema while doing nothing but shackling the program to a mediocre coach.  There was and is nothing "mutually beneficial" about that.

With all this talk about recruiting inroads and repairing relationships, I wasn't sure what team anyone was talking about...certainly NOT the Razorbacks.  Good grief, we're as mediocre recruiting as we are in EVERY other aspect of the game.

What do you feel about the future of gold, and mineral commodities in general?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 06, 2017, 10:54:51 PM
Bottom line is that Mr. Long is supposed to be working in the UA Program's best interest.  He negotiated and signed a buyout that is obviously tilted in Bielema's favor (by a country mile).  It protects Bielema while doing nothing but shackling the program to a mediocre coach.  There was and is nothing "mutually beneficial" about that.

With all this talk about recruiting inroads and repairing relationships, I wasn't sure what team anyone was talking about...certainly NOT the Razorbacks.  Good grief, we're as mediocre recruiting as we are in EVERY other aspect of the game.
Quite surprising that you have a negative opinion of the U of A, its AD and its football coaching staff and players. 
 :dude1:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 06, 2017, 10:57:43 PM
Bottom line is that Mr. Long is supposed to be working in the UA Program's best interest.  He negotiated and signed a buyout that is obviously tilted in Bielema's favor (by a country mile).  It protects Bielema while doing nothing but shackling the program to a mediocre coach.  There was and is nothing "mutually beneficial" about that.

With all this talk about recruiting inroads and repairing relationships, I wasn't sure what team anyone was talking about...certainly NOT the Razorbacks.  Good grief, we're as mediocre recruiting as we are in EVERY other aspect of the game.
You're bitching about our AD giving a coach a similarly structured and competitive contract with respect to equivalent positions in our own conference.
I know folks like to think that Coach XYZ's contract should correlate directly with the number of wins he has under his belt, but the world simply doesn't work like that.

Also, we're recruiting better and more consistently than we ever have in the SEC.
Of all the things to bitch about in regards to Bielema -- and there are plenty of rational things to criticize him for -- that is most definitely not one.


Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: allswell on August 06, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
In reality, coaches are evaluated by much more than just their "onfield results". You know that. Otherwise Art Briles would still be cheating at Baylor, Freeze would still be cheating at Ole Miss, Petrino wouldn't might still have been fired at Arkansas and Joe Paterno would have been allowed to retire at the end of the season. forced to answer for his crimes

fify
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: JoeBobHog on August 06, 2017, 11:57:30 PM

You are ignoring this user.




ahhhhh.



 :notexas:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 07, 2017, 12:48:55 AM
Petrino's mutual buyout had something to do with his job-hopping rep, too.

Some of y'all should go look at Kirby Smart and Kevin Sumlin buyouts.

Kirby Smart's buyout levels, unless they changed after his first season:

If fired during/after ...

Year 1   2016       $13.5 MM
Year 2   2017          10.8 MM
Year 3   2018            7.05 MM
Year 4   2019            4.7  MM
Year 5  2020             2.35 MM

On the other hand, Arkansas would have to pay Bielema $15.4 million if he were fired before 2018, $11.7 million before 2019, $7.9 million before 2020 and $4 million in the final year of his contract.  So after Year 5 (2017) if he were fired, it would still be $15.4 MM, which guarantees him Year 6.  Smart's is only $2.35 after his year 5.  Malzahn's is less than $9MM.  If Stoops get fired after 2017, they'll pay him through next summer, plus the last two years on his contract ($7MM).

Again, Beilima's initial contract's buy-out provisions may not have been out of line.  But extending the terms based on vertically no accomplishments pushed his buy out amount well past almost everyone else would get after five years.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TC on August 07, 2017, 06:55:57 AM
We're in the throws of pre-season camp, with first game in just over 3 weeks, and folks are discussing the coach's buy-out.

Don't ever wonder why we can't have nice things.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 07, 2017, 08:26:16 AM
We're in the throws of pre-season camp, with first game in just over 3 weeks, and folks are discussing the coach's buy-out.

Don't ever wonder why we can't have nice things.
Yep.  100%.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 07, 2017, 08:33:33 AM
We're in the throws of pre-season camp, with first game in just over 3 weeks, and folks are discussing the coach's buy-out.

Don't ever wonder why we can't have nice things.

It's kinda shitty ain't it? I was contemplating starting a " The "HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TEAM AND PLAYERS AND NOT COACHING CONTRACTS" thread
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 07, 2017, 08:36:14 AM
It's our way.

When we have a couple great seasons we prematurely lament that our coach is going to leave.

When we have a couple bad seasons we complain we can't get rid of him.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 07, 2017, 08:55:33 AM
It's kinda shitty ain't it? I was contemplating starting a " The "HEY LET'S TALK ABOUT THE TEAM AND PLAYERS AND NOT COACHING CONTRACTS" thread

Let's wait until the first loss to start that complaint thread.  :borat:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 07, 2017, 09:41:53 AM
The last couple pages are funny.  Some have gone all-in on Bielema and Long, and nothing they could ever do is even somewhat wrong.

Some have started to call them out, so supposedly they can't think of "anything positive" with the program.

The facts are really:

1) If you're the AD, it might be wise to wait at least one more full season before giving/extending incredibly large buyouts after a 3-4 game stretch at the end of a 10-15 start.
2) If you're the coach that gets the incredibly large and one-sided buyout, you have nothing to lose.
3) If you're the coach that has nothing to lose and hasn't produced anything better than mediocrity at this point, maybe tone it down on the non-football related PR shows and constant posting of wine glasses and catdogs overlooking your pool at your mansion. 

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 07, 2017, 09:48:04 AM
3) tone it down on the non-football related PR shows and constant posting of wine glasses and catdogs overlooking your pool at your mansion.
Creeper. You're following him waaay too close if you know this about him.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 07, 2017, 09:51:37 AM
Creeper. You're following him waaay too close if you know this about him.

I don't follow him at all.  I think I follow Jeff Long, so it must be his retweeting.  That's the only way I know about our GPA as well.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 07, 2017, 10:03:55 AM
1) If you're the AD, it might be wise to wait at least one more full season before giving/extending incredibly large buyouts after a 3-4 game stretch at the end of a 10-15 start.


That's true, and the corresponding point right now is despite the horrible ending to last year and the fact that it calls back to earlier 2nd half failures (24-7 lead over Rutgers and any number of blown leads to A&M), a bad stretch at the end of last year does not mean the guy absolutely can't coach.  Let's see how this year goes.

The most troubling thing is the more than a month off between Mizzou and Va Tech and the coaching focus that it couldn't happen again....then it happened again.  If it happens within the first few games (like TCU or A&M), the fact there's a real systemic problem that starts at the top will be solidified.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 07, 2017, 10:21:05 AM
This thread.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/7a9e8b8b1aa682d40a5c051df61bc2c7/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 07, 2017, 10:23:33 AM
This thread.

(https://media.tenor.com/images/7a9e8b8b1aa682d40a5c051df61bc2c7/tenor.gif)

I'm optimistic about that train's chances of survival this coming season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 07, 2017, 10:25:20 AM
Some have gone all-in on Bielema and Long, and nothing they could ever do is even somewhat wrong.
This kind of bullshit is why I wish my ignore button worked.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 07, 2017, 10:25:29 AM
Creeper. You're following him waaay too close if you know this about him.

I don't think you understand how social media works.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 07, 2017, 10:27:09 AM
I don't think you understand how social media works.
Happily so.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 07, 2017, 10:30:28 AM
Happily so.

Stay away from the Neckbooks, Instagrits, and the Twatters.  They're the  :devil:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: lawtiger on August 07, 2017, 11:27:49 AM
You're bitching about our AD giving a coach a similarly structured and competitive contract with respect to equivalent positions in our own conference.
I know folks like to think that Coach XYZ's contract should correlate directly with the number of wins he has under his belt, but the world simply doesn't work like that.


Agree.  We've had similar discussions on our Auburn board about prematurely extending Gus's contract in the wake of a mediocre/subpar year.

The fact is that these extensions are routine and are often done with an eye towards recruiting (to counter the oppositions' pitch: Coach X only has two years left on his contract.  If he were any good/his school believed in him he'd have a long-term deal.  Don't you want to play for the same HC all four years???)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 07, 2017, 11:31:47 AM
Extending contracts are done almost every year at almost every school where the coach will not be fired.  What IS NOT done routinely is extending the buyout.  Buyouts are typically not extended unless a new contract is actually negotiated.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Wooisme on August 07, 2017, 11:40:01 AM
Extending contracts are done almost every year at almost every school where the coach will not be fired.  What IS NOT done routinely is extending the buyout.  Buyouts are typically not extended unless a new contract is actually negotiated.

...and the imbalance of the buyout negotiated by Mr. Long IS the point.  Several SEC examples of current buyout agreements should be enough for those who support Mr. Long to (at a minimum) see the reason for concern.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 07, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Agree.  We've had similar discussions on our Auburn board about prematurely extending Gus's contract in the wake of a mediocre/subpar year.

The fact is that these extensions are routine and are often done with an eye towards recruiting (to counter the oppositions' pitch: Coach X only has two years left on his contract.  If he were any good/his school believed in him he'd have a long-term deal.  Don't you want to play for the same HC all four years???)

What's the outlook for most Auburn fans this year?  How many does he need to win?  Kick six seems like forever ago.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 07, 2017, 11:51:42 AM
The reality is, you don't go from crappy to legitimately good in 2 years, or 3.  Not at a school like Arkansas, who is about 50 years behind in doing things like the big boys do.  Yeah, a guy like Petrino can go out and win 6 with almost no talent, and 10 with above-average talent, because he's such an incredible play-caller.  But with time and distance, I have come to wonder if he would ever be able to take the next step and challenge for titles at Arkansas, or if he would perennially be 'team with the best record that doesn't have elite talent'.   

I'm not shitting on Petrino - I think he's one of the top football minds in the universe, and I don't begrudge him living his life however he wants.  I'm one of the few who doesn't angrily blame him for how everything ended here, while also acknowledging that Long didn't REALLY have a choice but to fire him.  Lord knows it was nice winning 10 games in back-to-back seasons, and always being 5 seconds away from a possible touchdown when we were on offense, anywhere on the field.  His last two seasons were two of the best as a fan in my lifetime. 

But que sera, sera and all that - it was what it was, and everyone has to move on, and accept the reality we got.  I'm just not sure he would ever recruit or manage them well enough to genuinely compete above that 'best team not seriously competing for a title' level.  Even in his best season here, Bama and LSU still pushed our shit in, and we needed 2-3 huge comebacks to stave off a disaster season. 

And the obvious downside to a guy like Petrino (as we learned in horrifying ways), is that once he leaves, you no longer have the genius playcalling or fiery authority figure holding the whole thing together.  And when it comes apart, it comes the fuck apart.

Bielema may not ever make it here.  He burned just about all of the goodwill I personally had left in the last two games last year.  But I do think it will take his kind of coach to win big, consistently, here.  Petrino had me believing full-bore in the genius merc type, but hindsight leads me to believe that will only take you so far.  Broyles and Holtz didn't win big here because they always had the perfect play call.  At some point, you have to have depth, a rounded and committed staff, and a program that people emotionally want to support.  That takes time, and it often takes a lot of struggle - two things Hog fans are historically loath to offer coaches.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TC on August 07, 2017, 11:53:06 AM
Holy fuck.  Where's MDEM when you need him? 

I'm not sure there's a motherfucker here who doesn't agree at least in part with the shitty aspect of the buyout and it's favorable terms for Bielema.  In fact, there's an entire thread devoted to it and Pepsi around here somewhere.  Do I like Long?  Not a fan, no.  But Jesus Christ on Ebay toast, why are we here 3 fucking weeks from kick talking about buyouts and the AD? 
Somma ya'll need to drag your Hog gear outta the closet, strap on your jock, and start talking fucking football gotdammit!

I'll start.  What's the over/under on INT's this year?

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 07, 2017, 12:08:51 PM
Holy fuck.  Where's MDEM when you need him? 

But Jesus Christ on Ebay toast, why are we here 3 fucking weeks from kick talking about buyouts and the AD? 


Because Bert is terrible and his eventual firing is a foregone conclusion.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 07, 2017, 01:00:46 PM
Because Bert is terrible and his eventual firing is a foregone conclusion.

and somehow is getting fatter.  i can hear it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 07, 2017, 01:09:45 PM
Extending contracts are done almost every year at almost every school where the coach will not be fired.  What IS NOT done routinely is extending the buyout.  Buyouts are typically not extended unless a new contract is actually negotiated.

Yes, they are.
Look around the conference.

The only places where they aren't, is when said coach is on the hot seat for a multitude of issues beyond W-L record even. (Butch Jones)

The buyout is literally there to assert commitment to the coach. It is purposefully intended to reasonably compare or exceed similar contracts in the conference.
The poster that hashed out Smart's buyout made my point. When he gets extended, that buyout will be restructured again as well.

Some people will never be convinced, though. Others are, but they've dug in to troll away and act as if rational defenses of Bielema and Long are obsessive.



Bitch about something important.



Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: MoPork on August 07, 2017, 01:21:43 PM
I still think they need to move Cantrell or maybe even Kendrick Jackson to linebacker. Need more depth and toughness there
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 07, 2017, 01:35:05 PM
Yes, they are.
Look around the conference.

The only places where they aren't, is when said coach is on the hot seat for a multitude of issues beyond W-L record even. (Butch Jones)

The buyout is literally there to assert commitment to the coach. It is purposefully intended to reasonably compare or exceed similar contracts in the conference.
The poster that hashed out Smart's buyout made my point. When he gets extended, that buyout will be restructured again as well.

Some people will never be convinced, though. Others are, but they've dug in to troll away and act as if rational defenses of Bielema and Long are obsessive.



Most are not arguing that buyouts are extended they are arguing that Bielema's re-negotiated buyout is excessive in relation to what he's actually accomplished.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 07, 2017, 01:59:33 PM
Most are not arguing that buyouts are extended they are arguing that Bielema's re-negotiated buyout is excessive in relation to what he's actually accomplished.

 :thumbup:

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 07, 2017, 02:01:02 PM
One way or another, Woopiggas will be eating crow come season's end.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 07, 2017, 02:12:10 PM
One way or another, Woopiggas will be eating crow come season's end.
:cheese:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 07, 2017, 02:23:42 PM
:cheese:

I bet she doesn't keep it clean.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 07, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
She's rocking those new jeans imported from Egypt.  The Kuh-mail-tow.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 07, 2017, 02:30:56 PM
I bet she doesn't keep it clean.

shes 55.  i bet it's been through hell and back twice or more.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: razorwire on August 07, 2017, 02:32:55 PM
I think I see a wet spot.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 07, 2017, 02:38:03 PM
shes 55.  i bet it's been through hell and back twice or more.

Out of curiosity, I looked to see what all dudes she's been with. 

That woman loves her some douchebags. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 07, 2017, 02:41:17 PM
Out of curiosity, I looked to see what all dudes she's been with. 

That woman loves her some douchebags.

So you think you have a shot?

 8-)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: MoPork on August 07, 2017, 02:43:30 PM
shes 55.  i bet it's been through hell and back twice or more.
if it makes you happy then it can't be that bad
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 07, 2017, 02:53:06 PM
if it makes you happy then it can't be that bad
All I want to do is have some fun.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 07, 2017, 02:55:12 PM
So you think you have a shot?

 8-)

Douchebags, not dipshits. 

I was close, though.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 07, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
:cheese:

I can see the sun coming up over Santa Moica Blvd in there.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 07, 2017, 03:23:41 PM
The reality is, you don't go from crappy to legitimately good in 2 years, or 3.  Not at a school like Arkansas, who is about 50 years behind in doing things like the big boys do.  Yeah, a guy like Petrino can go out and win 6 with almost no talent, and 10 with above-average talent, because he's such an incredible play-caller.  But with time and distance, I have come to wonder if he would ever be able to take the next step and challenge for titles at Arkansas, or if he would perennially be 'team with the best record that doesn't have elite talent'.   

I'm not shitting on Petrino - I think he's one of the top football minds in the universe, and I don't begrudge him living his life however he wants.  I'm one of the few who doesn't angrily blame him for how everything ended here, while also acknowledging that Long didn't REALLY have a choice but to fire him.  Lord knows it was nice winning 10 games in back-to-back seasons, and always being 5 seconds away from a possible touchdown when we were on offense, anywhere on the field.  His last two seasons were two of the best as a fan in my lifetime. 

But que sera, sera and all that - it was what it was, and everyone has to move on, and accept the reality we got.  I'm just not sure he would ever recruit or manage them well enough to genuinely compete above that 'best team not seriously competing for a title' level.  Even in his best season here, Bama and LSU still pushed our shit in, and we needed 2-3 huge comebacks to stave off a disaster season. 

And the obvious downside to a guy like Petrino (as we learned in horrifying ways), is that once he leaves, you no longer have the genius playcalling or fiery authority figure holding the whole thing together.  And when it comes apart, it comes the fuck apart.

Bielema may not ever make it here.  He burned just about all of the goodwill I personally had left in the last two games last year.  But I do think it will take his kind of coach to win big, consistently, here.  Petrino had me believing full-bore in the genius merc type, but hindsight leads me to believe that will only take you so far.  Broyles and Holtz didn't win big here because they always had the perfect play call.  At some point, you have to have depth, a rounded and committed staff, and a program that people emotionally want to support.  That takes time, and it often takes a lot of struggle - two things Hog fans are historically loath to offer coaches.
Helluva post, Sonny Boy. And I mean that.

Sent from Terra using my tricorder on Tapatalk

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 07, 2017, 03:39:39 PM
The reality is, you don't go from crappy to legitimately good in 2 years, or 3.  Not at a school like Arkansas, who is about 50 years behind in doing things like the big boys do.  Yeah, a guy like Petrino can go out and win 6 with almost no talent, and 10 with above-average talent, because he's such an incredible play-caller.  But with time and distance, I have come to wonder if he would ever be able to take the next step and challenge for titles at Arkansas, or if he would perennially be 'team with the best record that doesn't have elite talent'.   

I'm not shitting on Petrino - I think he's one of the top football minds in the universe, and I don't begrudge him living his life however he wants.  I'm one of the few who doesn't angrily blame him for how everything ended here, while also acknowledging that Long didn't REALLY have a choice but to fire him.  Lord knows it was nice winning 10 games in back-to-back seasons, and always being 5 seconds away from a possible touchdown when we were on offense, anywhere on the field.  His last two seasons were two of the best as a fan in my lifetime. 

But que sera, sera and all that - it was what it was, and everyone has to move on, and accept the reality we got.  I'm just not sure he would ever recruit or manage them well enough to genuinely compete above that 'best team not seriously competing for a title' level.  Even in his best season here, Bama and LSU still pushed our shit in, and we needed 2-3 huge comebacks to stave off a disaster season. 

And the obvious downside to a guy like Petrino (as we learned in horrifying ways), is that once he leaves, you no longer have the genius playcalling or fiery authority figure holding the whole thing together.  And when it comes apart, it comes the fuck apart.

Bielema may not ever make it here.  He burned just about all of the goodwill I personally had left in the last two games last year.  But I do think it will take his kind of coach to win big, consistently, here.  Petrino had me believing full-bore in the genius merc type, but hindsight leads me to believe that will only take you so far.  Broyles and Holtz didn't win big here because they always had the perfect play call.  At some point, you have to have depth, a rounded and committed staff, and a program that people emotionally want to support.  That takes time, and it often takes a lot of struggle - two things Hog fans are historically loath to offer coaches.

Best little ol' arkansas post evar.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 07, 2017, 03:58:37 PM
Most are not arguing that buyouts are extended they are arguing that Bielema's re-negotiated buyout is excessive in relation to what he's actually accomplished.
And I've already addressed that.

If we're not willing to give a coach a contract that is comparatively structured to conference foes, then we're going to have a tough time finding a coach that will accomplish squat.


When people bitch about things like this and facility upgrade/stadium renovations, I don't think they realize how much the college athletics landscape is changing year to year. It's kill or be killed. If we really think we're going to be scared to fire a coach because of how much his reasonably competitive buyout is, then you're saying we can't compete financially. If you don't want to throw money at these things, then you don't want to compete in this league.

We hired a winning coach from a major P5 program. That's the baseline here when looking at Bielema's status. Kirby Smart had not even been a head coach before and you see what his buyout is. If you're fretting over contractual particulars at this point, you're fishing for something to be pissed about.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 07, 2017, 04:01:05 PM
Out of curiosity, I looked to see what all dudes she's been with. 

That woman loves her some douchebags.

i only can think of ole Lance uniball Armstrong off the top of me head.  i guess everyone's got a type.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 07, 2017, 04:01:46 PM
Best little ol' arkansas post evar.

He's referring to the fact that, despite Bielema's many faults, we have more  overall quality depth than the program has probably ever had in modern times.

but what you read was "little ol' arkansas"
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 07, 2017, 04:09:31 PM
He's referring to the fact that, despite Bielema's many faults, we have more  overall quality depth than the program has probably ever had in modern times.

but what you read was "little ol' arkansas"
Well, that's it. This is how woopig ends. I finally agree with Colboar on something.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 07, 2017, 04:38:39 PM
He's referring to the fact that, despite Bielema's many faults, we have more  overall quality depth than the program has probably ever had in modern times.

but what you read was "little ol' arkansas"

Twas butt a joke but, to be fair, what he said was "At some point, you have to have depth, a rounded and committed staff, and a program that people emotionally want to support."

If you think we have all that right now then you sir are a shining beacon of positivity.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 07, 2017, 04:39:16 PM
One way or another, Woopiggas will be eating crow come season's end.

Meh, in true the Second Coming of Nutt fashion he'll lose two or three he shouldn't, play great down the stretch, and win seven...maybe eight with a bowl and everyone will claim to be right about Bert.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 07, 2017, 04:43:53 PM
Meh, in true the Second Coming of Nutt fashion he'll lose two or three he shouldn't, play great down the stretch, and win seven...maybe eight with a bowl and everyone will claim to be right about Bert.

I bet you masturbate to The Smiths don't you.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 07, 2017, 05:00:05 PM
I bet you masturbate to The Smiths don't you.

Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: tboned on August 07, 2017, 05:02:17 PM
I can see the sun coming up over Santa Moica Blvd in there.

I love a good beer buzz, early in the morning.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 07, 2017, 05:04:51 PM
Twas butt a joke but, to be fair, what he said was "At some point, you have to have depth, a rounded and committed staff, and a program that people emotionally want to support."

If you think we have all that right now then you sir are a shining beacon of positivity.

I think we're on that path, more than at any point since maybe the 60s.  We're definitely not there yet, in any of those three areas. 

I'm not saying Bert can finish it off, but I do believe he's generally doing things the right way, which no one has really attempted since Frank.  I've become a believer in slow and steady for a smaller program with restricted recruiting territory, but resources available and a dedicated fanbase.  You can try to short-cut it, but you'll largely end up with cheaters, or guys who leave you holding your dick (see: basically every small program that has had quick success over the last couple of decades).

Y'all can mock Long for GPAs and integrity all damned day, I'm proud as fuck that my university's program prioritizes those things.  Everybody shitted all over Long and misrepresented his comment about not having to hire a soul-less asshole to compete, but I'm glad he learned that lesson.  You DON'T have to hire a soul-less asshole to compete.  It often makes it a lot easier, but since when is winning supposed to be easy?  There are a lot of stupid motherfuckers barely getting papered into eligibility on some of the elite teams.  That doesn't make football success/mentoring success a binary opposition.

Every choice is a trade off.  When you don't have all the built-in advantages, you aren't just going A to E without trading in on some other aspect of what you're doing.  You can make the jump by trading in on something else you care about, or you can try to test your ability to do it the right way.  You gotta get yours Bs in, use them to convince the C's, and let them teach the culture to the Ds, so you're ready to do work once you get to the E's.  It's the same reason I had a touch more patience with Mike, and the same reason I have a touch more patience with Bielema.  The same reason I don't (usually) lose my shit after any specific season game without its own objective significance - programs are made foundationally successful or unsuccessful over years, not weeks or hours. 

On a personal level, I have no problem setting Bielema free if he can't make progress this year.  I think he's doing things the right way, and I think he could possibly get there eventually, but he's had enough time to at least show progress.  If he doesn't give up the lead of EITHER of the last two games, he's in a lot better position...but he did.  Make me believe we're turning that corner now. 

Little ol arkiesaw says "we can't compete with Bama."  I'm saying "we aren't currently built to compete with Bama."  For being very similar as statements, they are a world apart in meaning and implications.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: abypfcs on August 07, 2017, 05:08:13 PM
It's our way.

When we have a couple great seasons we prematurely lament that our coach is going to leave.

When we have a couple bad seasons we complain we can't get rid of him.
Exactly, but I think most all programs are like this.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 07, 2017, 05:20:03 PM
If you think we have all that right now then you sir are a shining beacon of positivity.
At the risk of being repetitive, that's not what I or he said.

There is plenty of room for various criticisms of Bielema at this stage... but in terms of recruiting and building quality depth... it's quite clear that has been a point of emphasis for Bielema and he's done better in that area than any coach has in a very long time here.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 07, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
I think we're on that path, more than at any point since maybe the 60s.  We're definitely not there yet, in any of those three areas. 

I'm not saying Bert can finish it off, but I do believe he's generally doing things the right way, which no one has really attempted since Frank.  I've become a believer in slow and steady for a smaller program with restricted recruiting territory, but resources available and a dedicated fanbase.  You can try to short-cut it, but you'll largely end up with cheaters, or guys who leave you holding your dick (see: basically every small program that has had quick success over the last couple of decades).

Y'all can mock Long for GPAs and integrity all damned day, I'm proud as fuck that my university's program prioritizes those things.  Everybody shitted all over Long and misrepresented his comment about not having to hire a soul-less asshole to compete, but I'm glad he learned that lesson.  You DON'T have to hire a soul-less asshole to compete.  It often makes it a lot easier, but since when is winning supposed to be easy?  There are a lot of stupid motherfuckers barely getting papered into eligibility on some of the elite teams.  That doesn't make football success/mentoring success a binary opposition.

Every choice is a trade off.  When you don't have all the built-in advantages, you aren't just going A to E without trading in on some other aspect of what you're doing.  You can make the jump by trading in on something else you care about, or you can try to test your ability to do it the right way.  You gotta get yours Bs in, use them to convince the C's, and let them teach the culture to the Ds, so you're ready to do work once you get to the E's.  It's the same reason I had a touch more patience with Mike, and the same reason I have a touch more patience with Bielema.  The same reason I don't (usually) lose my shit after any specific season game without its own objective significance - programs are made foundationally successful or unsuccessful over years, not weeks or hours. 

On a personal level, I have no problem setting Bielema free if he can't make progress this year.  I think he's doing things the right way, and I think he could possibly get there eventually, but he's had enough time to at least show progress.  If he doesn't give up the lead of EITHER of the last two games, he's in a lot better position...but he did.  Make me believe we're turning that corner now. 

Little ol arkiesaw says "we can't compete with Bama."  I'm saying "we aren't currently built to compete with Bama."  For being very similar as statements, they are a world apart in meaning and implications.
Bravo again. You're making way too much sense for a Monday.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 07, 2017, 06:09:45 PM
I think we're on that path, more than at any point since maybe the 60s.  We're definitely not there yet, in any of those three areas. 

I'm not saying Bert can finish it off, but I do believe he's generally doing things the right way, which no one has really attempted since Frank.  I've become a believer in slow and steady for a smaller program with restricted recruiting territory, but resources available and a dedicated fanbase.  You can try to short-cut it, but you'll largely end up with cheaters, or guys who leave you holding your dick (see: basically every small program that has had quick success over the last couple of decades).

Y'all can mock Long for GPAs and integrity all damned day, I'm proud as fuck that my university's program prioritizes those things.  Everybody shitted all over Long and misrepresented his comment about not having to hire a soul-less asshole to compete, but I'm glad he learned that lesson.  You DON'T have to hire a soul-less asshole to compete.  It often makes it a lot easier, but since when is winning supposed to be easy?  There are a lot of stupid motherfuckers barely getting papered into eligibility on some of the elite teams.  That doesn't make football success/mentoring success a binary opposition.

Every choice is a trade off.  When you don't have all the built-in advantages, you aren't just going A to E without trading in on some other aspect of what you're doing.  You can make the jump by trading in on something else you care about, or you can try to test your ability to do it the right way.  You gotta get yours Bs in, use them to convince the C's, and let them teach the culture to the Ds, so you're ready to do work once you get to the E's.  It's the same reason I had a touch more patience with Mike, and the same reason I have a touch more patience with Bielema.  The same reason I don't (usually) lose my shit after any specific season game without its own objective significance - programs are made foundationally successful or unsuccessful over years, not weeks or hours. 

On a personal level, I have no problem setting Bielema free if he can't make progress this year.  I think he's doing things the right way, and I think he could possibly get there eventually, but he's had enough time to at least show progress.  If he doesn't give up the lead of EITHER of the last two games, he's in a lot better position...but he did.  Make me believe we're turning that corner now. 

Little ol arkiesaw says "we can't compete with Bama."  I'm saying "we aren't currently built to compete with Bama."  For being very similar as statements, they are a world apart in meaning and implications.

I've said from pretty much day one that Bielema may not succeed here, but he won't leave a steaming pile of shit like the last two full time head coaches either.  He's a lot more like Danny Ford than dipshit or BMFP. 

Regarding buyouts, of course we have to give our coach a competitive contract.  There was absolutely zero reason for the contract extension to be so heavily slanted in Bielema's favor.  Give him a gazillion dollar buyout if you want, but make it mutual.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: papermill on August 07, 2017, 06:15:05 PM
I think he's doing things the right way, and I think he could possibly get there eventually, but he's had enough time to at least show progress

he was doing that right up to Thanksgiving of last year. 

need to see whether that was a hiccup or a trend

They did bounce back twice from getting drilled

The end was terrible but it's not like he threw out a 4-8 clunker or anything like that.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 07, 2017, 06:18:20 PM
I bet you masturbate to The Smiths don't you.
:borat: :dude1: :maundoed: :maundoed: :maundoed: :dude1: :borat:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 07, 2017, 08:32:45 PM
:cheese:
I Hear Lance Armstrong had a ball there...
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 07, 2017, 08:48:14 PM
I think this is all boils down to the long view of the program. There are key performance indicators (GPA, recruiting rankings, draftees) and then there are wins/loses...we haven't really impressed where it matters. Why? I think it took Bert a while to learn the ground and him having such high staff turnover has really hurt him as well. The staff kinda seems a little more set now and we've seen recruiting take a turn upward.

I think he knew what he wanted to do here...it just took him a little bit to figure out what actually works in the SEC and what doesn't. He's had to learn that game preparation is an every week thing...Purdue and Indiana aren't on the schedule. It's taking a while to figure out how to recruit to UA and who he can recruit with decent success. He took the tact that he could just waltz into Florida like he was apparently doing at Wisconsin. He did pretty good while we had some coaches with some pull down there but that wasn't going to yield long term success. At some point it clicked in that we needed to win those recruiting battles in places like Louisiana and Texas.

At some point though...the long view of the program is going to get old. People aren't going to dig being just bowl eligible every year...we want some tits. We want to run our hand up her dress. I mean just tease us with a decent bowl and we'll be pretty happy for a while. That's all any true Arkansas fan expects. In time Nick Saban will be taken away in a pine box...they can't hold out forever. In my lifetime I've seen Alabama look like a shit program so I know it's possible. Same deal with Auburn and LSU...I've seen those programs rise and fall and rise again and fall again. This shit is possible. Fuck Ole Miss even managed to cheat like hell and become somewhat an amusing side story as we awaited the house to burn to the ground knowing full well it would. We were what the 3rd ranked team in the nation in 2010 for a while? This shit is possible. In our lifetime.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: allswell on August 08, 2017, 01:51:33 AM
I think this is all boils down to the long view of the program. There are key performance indicators (GPA, recruiting rankings, draftees) and then there are wins/loses...we haven't really impressed where it matters. Why? I think it took Bert a while to learn the ground and him having such high staff turnover has really hurt him as well. The staff kinda seems a little more set now and we've seen recruiting take a turn upward.

I think he knew what he wanted to do here...it just took him a little bit to figure out what actually works in the SEC and what doesn't. He's had to learn that game preparation is an every week thing...Purdue and Indiana aren't on the schedule. It's taking a while to figure out how to recruit to UA and who he can recruit with decent success. He took the tact that he could just waltz into Florida like he was apparently doing at Wisconsin. He did pretty good while we had some coaches with some pull down there but that wasn't going to yield long term success. At some point it clicked in that we needed to win those recruiting battles in places like Louisiana and Texas.


how long is your long view of the program? bert's been here 4 years and has lost more games than won, while going an an abysmal 10-22 in the sec. i can't see how these numbers bode well for the future of razorback football. they certainly don't instill confidence in this fan. sure, you can say there's nowhere to go but up, but obviously there are two other directions - down and sideways.

and please explain how the recruiting has taken an upward turn. particularly with this year's class.
 
you also say it has taken bert a "little bit" to determine what style is effective in the sec. and i ask why? hell, most woopiggas know that lotsa team speed, a nasty defense, depth and solid special teams are major keys to success in this conference and every other one for that matter. surely he didn't have to learn that after he got here. nor can i believe that he thought preparation was not an every week thang in the sec. i guess if you don't mind getting routed a couple times a year, taking weeks off is an option.

i'm pulling for the guy but not with abated breath.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 08, 2017, 07:11:15 AM
What evidence is there that Bert has it figured out? 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 08, 2017, 10:26:42 AM
Exactly, but I think most all programs are like this.

No, only Arkansas fans do this because we are the absolute worst.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 08, 2017, 10:51:24 AM
What evidence is there that Bert has it figured out?
Well, he has a hot wife, eats whatever he wants, and has a sweet deal on his buyout.  Have you not been paying attention?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 08, 2017, 12:00:04 PM
What evidence is there that Bert has it figured out?

You disagree with him.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 08, 2017, 12:03:47 PM
Well, he has a hot wife, eats whatever he wants, and has a sweet deal on his buyout.  Have you not been paying attention?

I knew if debate continued in the free marketplace of ideas, common ground could be found!

Shall we now turn our attention to the Middle Eat or making Social Security actuarially solvent?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 08, 2017, 12:11:39 PM
I knew if debate continued in the free marketplace of ideas, common ground could be found!

Shall we now turn our attention to the Middle Eat or making Social Security actuarially solvent?
Let's take on the GSD before we tackle the big ones.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: FNG on August 08, 2017, 01:26:55 PM

Shall we now turn our attention to the Middle Eat ?

Sooo, we're still talking about Bert and his hot wife?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: ArkGuy on August 08, 2017, 01:47:11 PM
Sooo, we're still talking about Bert and his hot wife?

Opps.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: goporkyourself on August 08, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/8/8/16061852/arkansas-football-2017-preview-schedule-roster

i don't know if this article is already on here but it's pretty good. so ead.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 08, 2017, 03:37:28 PM
we have more  overall quality depth than the program has probably ever had in modern times.


I know I'm dumb, but what the hell does this mean?

Is this a vague way of saying the coach is awesome despite a .500ish record?  Do we have any odds on Coalboar swimming in Bert's pool with some Bert swimsuit on?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 08, 2017, 03:39:45 PM
I've said from pretty much day one that Bielema may not succeed here, but he won't leave a steaming pile of shit like the last two full time head coaches either.  He's a lot more like Danny Ford than dipshit or BMFP. 


You should compare the players Petrino left with the players Bert has sent on.  I'd bet there's not much difference.  Philon and Flowers were all-world compared to anything else we've had since.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 08, 2017, 03:40:57 PM
You should compare the players Petrino left with the players Bert has sent on.  I'd bet there's not much difference.  Philon and Flowers were all-world compared to anything else we've had since.

And that was about it.  Depth was dogshit...not quite as bad as what Nutt left Petrino, but still not good. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: abypfcs on August 08, 2017, 03:42:36 PM
No, only Arkansas fans do this because we are the absolute worst.
I realize you are not serious, but you are correct in that Arkansas fans are more fanatical than many other programs.  With no pro sports and basically one school in a major conference the hog football program takes center stage for many.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 08, 2017, 03:54:00 PM
I know I'm dumb, but what the hell does this mean?

Is this a vague way of saying the coach is awesome despite a .500ish record?  Do we have any odds on Coalboar swimming in Bert's pool with some Bert swimsuit on?

I'm with you.  Is having a 4-deep of four 3-stars better than a 5-star, a 4-star, and two 1-stars?  Isn't 12 stars better than 11?

I would bet the results on the field say no.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 08, 2017, 04:03:08 PM
Well, if dogshit depth gets us eleven as opposed to Bert's quality depth getting us seven, sign me up for a big old helping if dogshit.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 08, 2017, 04:05:51 PM
I know I'm dumb, but what the hell does this mean?

Is this a vague way of saying the coach is awesome despite a .500ish record?  Do we have any odds on Coalboar swimming in Bert's pool with some Bert swimsuit on?
Despite it's strategic faults in implementation, Petrino or Nutt would not have been able to rotate pass rushers like we did last season.
That's depth.

You know this and you know exactly what I meant. It just doesn't fit your narrative that I'm some cock-gobbling apologist for a coach like you are.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 08, 2017, 04:07:17 PM
We're specifically talking about long-term health of the program, so yes cherry-picking specific seasonal win totals is a perfect counterpoint.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 08, 2017, 04:10:23 PM
And that was about it.  Depth was dogshit...not quite as bad as what Nutt left Petrino, but still not good.

This is the one thing overlooked with Petrino.  His first year he had absolutely nothing.  Getting to the BCS in year three still amazes me.
It's certainly set the bar high.  He was able to do it and if he could there are other coaches that still can have that type of success.

I believe Bret could have and can but he's made some blunders along the way.  Some of his coaching hires have not been what they were portrayed by our media.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 08, 2017, 04:13:44 PM
Well, if dogshit depth gets us eleven as opposed to Bert's quality depth getting us seven, sign me up for a big old helping if dogshit.

you must have a miserable existence. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 08, 2017, 04:16:26 PM
Well, if dogshit depth gets us eleven as opposed to Bert's quality depth getting us seven, sign me up for a big old helping if dogshit.

You do remember there was a year between Petrino and Bert, right?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 08, 2017, 04:17:06 PM
you must have a miserable existence.

You realize it is all a means to an end don't you?  Do you even know what the end is?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 08, 2017, 04:25:35 PM
We're all gonna die.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 08, 2017, 04:31:49 PM
This is the one thing overlooked with Petrino.  His first year he had absolutely nothing.  Getting to the BCS in year three still amazes me.
It's certainly set the bar high.  He was able to do it and if he could there are other coaches that still can have that type of success.

I believe Bret could have and can but he's made some blunders along the way.  Some of his coaching hires have not been what they were portrayed by our media.

Petrino's 3rd year was when Hootie started tanking OM right? Looks like the SEC teams we beat that year had 15 total SEC wins and 35 SEC losses. SC had 6 of the 15 SEC wins so it appears to maybe just we weren't as good as we want to remember it by. Especially add that one win was Vandy that took a 99 yard fumble return for TD to win that game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 08, 2017, 04:32:46 PM
Despite it's strategic faults in implementation, Petrino or Nutt would not have been able to rotate pass rushers like we did last season.
That's depth.

You know this and you know exactly what I meant. It just doesn't fit your narrative that I'm some cock-gobbling apologist for a coach like you are.
We had pass rushers last season?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 08, 2017, 04:33:40 PM
Despite it's strategic faults in implementation, Petrino or Nutt would not have been able to rotate pass rushers like we did last season.
That's depth.


If all of your pass rushers are mediocre it's not that much of an accomplishment.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TitsOutForTheHogs on August 08, 2017, 04:41:06 PM
Petrino's 3rd year was when Hootie started tanking OM right? Looks like the SEC teams we beat that year had 15 total SEC wins and 35 SEC losses. SC had 6 of the 15 SEC wins so it appears to maybe just we weren't as good as we want to remember it by. Especially add that one win was Vandy that took a 99 yard fumble return for TD to win that game.

You've got your years mixed up. That was 2011. In 2010, the SEC teams we beat were 20-28. Ole Miss & Vandy were both 1-7 in SEC play that hurt us, but we smoked both of them. We beat Georgia, South Carolina (who won the East) convincingly, Miss St (who won 9 games), & LSU (who won 11). I'm pretty sure we were a damn good team.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 08, 2017, 04:45:10 PM
If all of your pass rushers are mediocre it's not that much of an accomplishment.

Yep.

I'm with you.  Is having a 4-deep of four 3-stars better than a 5-star, a 4-star, and two 1-stars?  Isn't 12 stars better than 11?

I would bet the results on the field say no.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 08, 2017, 04:48:17 PM
You've got your years mixed up. That was 2011. In 2010, the SEC teams we beat were 20-28. Ole Miss & Vandy were both 1-7 in SEC play that hurt us, but we smoked both of them. We beat Georgia, South Carolina (who won the East) convincingly, Miss St (who won 9 games), & LSU (who won 11). I'm pretty sure we were a damn good team.

Yea, well look at Mr. Real News over here...  :stache:


Edit: this is what I went by...

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cobbler on August 08, 2017, 04:50:55 PM
You've got your years mixed up. That was 2011. In 2010, the SEC teams we beat were 20-28. Ole Miss & Vandy were both 1-7 in SEC play that hurt us, but we smoked both of them. We beat Georgia, South Carolina (who won the East) convincingly, Miss St (who won 9 games), & LSU (who won 11). I'm pretty sure we were a damn good team.

Hey man, shitting on our best season(s) in 30 years to rationalize Bielema's lack of success is what keeps some of us believing.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 08, 2017, 04:56:04 PM
Yeah, all real fans know that Petrino's eleven wins with dogshit depth was a bad season compared to Bert's seven with quality depth across the board.  I mean, shit, no way Petrino could have rotated defensive linemen in that 11 win season like Bert did in his 7 win season last year. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 08, 2017, 05:08:15 PM
Hey man, shitting on our best season(s) in 30 years to rationalize Bielema's lack of success is what keeps some of us believing.

No one is shitting on it but I am simply pointing out the same argument I make about Hootie's time here. The league was not the same. When OM was good, Bobby didn't do so well those years, same as Bret. When OM and Miss St are being ranked in the Top 5 nationally and you have a+m and AU being typically solid with the 2 best at the top, it's gonna be tough sledding for the Hogs. Just my opinion and hopefully OM and Miss St regress, along with a+m and AU, we really could do some damage this year. The SEC West was brutal Bret's first couple of years, playing record straight top 10 teams in a row is no joke rebuilding a squad. Just saying the same shit I did defending Petrino's first 2 years to Nutthuggers. Game ain't changed playa.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: GeoHogsGeo on August 08, 2017, 05:20:46 PM
More prognostication that may or may not have been  posted that I've come across.. If not, enjoy.
Proceeding to screen door.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/sds-crystal-ball-predicting-every-game-arkansas-2017/

http://bookieblitz.com/2017-arkansas-razorbacks-football-will-hogs-contenders/



 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 08, 2017, 05:54:06 PM
If all of your pass rushers are mediocre it's not that much of an accomplishment.
They aren't all mediocre, but even if they were, we've literally never had enough depth to do anything like that in a long time.
It has been stipulated that we may not have better talent at any one position, but we have more depth. People keep overlooking the sentiment in that statement to point out that we suck.

Some of you are really not thinking through what is being said.

You would think that last season was the most embarrassing season of the last quarter century from the way some people talk about it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 08, 2017, 06:43:15 PM
I just skipped about 3 pages. What the fuck are you people yammering on about? Lets get focused for Florida Bus Academy, we need all clocks striking at the same time or something. One heart beat. Get your piss hot. #UncommonValor
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 08, 2017, 06:47:54 PM
"Building depth" might just be one of the catch phrases for the masses. It would seem that a team with quality depth would be above average at finishing games and good at closing out seasons. Maybe our depth has skyrocketed in the past eight months and this year will be better.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 08, 2017, 06:57:52 PM
"Building depth" might just be one of the catch phrases for the masses. It would seem that a team with quality depth would be above average at finishing games and good at closing out seasons. Maybe our depth has skyrocketed in the past eight months and this year will be better.

Last year was pretty different from the others. We have been above average at closing out seasons except for last year. You guys act like we are about to go 5-and some bullshit. All about timing, and I think it might be this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 08, 2017, 07:44:56 PM
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 08, 2017, 08:06:37 PM
Yea, well look at Mr. Real News over here...  :stache:


Edit: this is what I went by...

See that #5 ranked Arkansas in your pic?  That was awesome and I'll take it any way I can.  I don't need every team in the SEC to be great just so I can claim we deserve that ranking better.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 08, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
See that #5 ranked Arkansas in your pic?  That was awesome and I'll take it any way I can.  I don't need every team in the SEC to be great just so I can claim we deserve that ranking better.

That's correct, you don't want every team in the SEC to be great, as shown by every coach we have had so far.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 08, 2017, 09:36:59 PM
That's correct, you don't want every team in the SEC to be great, as shown by every coach we have had so far.
Seriously? We won games whether we matched up better or not when we played. We have lost being the better team, and we have won being worse.

It comes down to how well prepared and coached the players are during the games.

Fuck the other teams that lost to us when they should have won.

The fact is that we were winning consistently with Petrino, and this roller coaster ride of Bielema's is getting tiresome.

Maybe he gets it right starting this year, but I doubt it and I am certainly not buying a year's pass because he changed to a 3-4 and needs time.

It's time to shit or get off the pot.

We have already seen the turds he has laid on the field.

I am done. Time for football.




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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boared Cynic on August 08, 2017, 09:51:03 PM
At least Bret recruits quarterbacks.  We actually have fucking depth at quarterback.  That alone should end all comparisons with Nutt.

He's still an above average coach but hell, worse coaches have won the natty.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 08, 2017, 09:53:20 PM
At least Bret recruits quarterbacks.  We actually have fucking depth at quarterback.  That alone should end all comparisons with Nutt.

He's still an above average coach but hell, worse coaches have won the natty.
And has a decent OC that can coach them up.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 08, 2017, 09:58:55 PM
Seriously? We won games whether we matched up better or not when we played. We have lost being the better team, and we have won being worse.

It comes down to how well prepared and coached the players are during the games.

Fuck the other teams that lost to us when they should have won.

The fact is that we were winning consistently with Petrino, and this roller coaster ride of Bielema's is getting tiresome.

Maybe he gets it right starting this year, but I doubt it and I am certainly not buying a year's pass because he changed to a 3-4 and needs time.

It's time to shit or get off the pot.

We have already seen the turds he has laid on the field.

I am done. Time for football.




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Houston Nutt had 2 good years in a row. What is your fucking point? You don't think how schedules fall or how good the fucking teams in your conference are matter? I'm optimistic about the season because it lines up for a great early start. If Fitzgerald isn't like Dak too much and Chad Kelly II sucks, and a+m runs off 2 more 5* QB's before first "kick", the Hogs will win 9-10 games like NORMAL. If Fitzgerald is a manchild, Chad KellyII redeems 4th and 25, a+m's QB is a Heisman contender when we play, and Gus ends up finding some CB to step up at QB... the Hogs will win 7 games. I thought errbody knew this?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 08, 2017, 10:24:01 PM
At least Bret recruits quarterbacks.  We actually have fucking depth at quarterback.

How in the world would you know this? AA is the only one who has played a meaningful snap.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: allswell on August 08, 2017, 10:33:37 PM
Last year was pretty different from the others. We have been above average at closing out seasons except for last year. You guys act like we are about to go 5-and some bullshit. All about timing, and I think it might be this year.

unfortunately, we have sucked at the beginning of seasons under bert.

we may, in fact, go 5- and some bullshit this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 08, 2017, 10:44:08 PM
"Building depth" might just be one of the catch phrases for the masses. It would seem that a team with quality depth would be above average at finishing games and good at closing out seasons. Maybe our depth has skyrocketed in the past eight months and this year will be better.

Yes, 3 or 4 people in a thread agreeing that we're at least doing a good job of acquiring quality depth at most positions is the new talking point.

Come on.

I think absolutely no one is making excuses for this coaching staff. At least, what I'm saying is that I'm not making rash judgements over any short term period, because I can tell what Bielema is intending to build and it damn sure isn't any overnight success story. He surely isn't out-scheming anyone with any sort of cutting edge philosophies. The Danny Ford comparisons are far more apt than anyone attempting to make asinine Nutt correlations. Whether Bielema can actually get over that hump has yet to be seen. There's no influx of talent in this state pouring out yet in his era and we've all seen how that is the very realistic difference between good and great stretches of football here.

If Bielema begins squandering talent on the level of Agim's, then I'm going to be as weary of his chances here as anyone.

Those last two games were frustrating as hell.
I'm not going to extrapolate them out into some massive critique of the program though. There is a hell of a lot more shit to evaluate than shitting away two games against Mizzou and Va Tech.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: mde114 on August 08, 2017, 10:45:28 PM
How in the world would you know this? AA is the only one who has played a meaningful snap.

Solid point.

Bert wouldn't let anyone else play, even when Allen was half beat to death.

Depth at QB?

I doubt Bert even believes that bs.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 08, 2017, 10:58:43 PM
When is the last time we had 4 QB's on campus that were ranked by recruiting services at 3 stars or above? Serious question.
A lot of the reason we didn't see much of Storey last season was that we had a first year starter on our hands that I believe the coaching staff wanted to give as many game reps as possible to.
I'm not sure I agree with it, but I also understand how a lot of that is situationally driven on a game by game basis.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boared Cynic on August 09, 2017, 06:13:00 AM
How in the world would you know this? AA is the only one who has played a meaningful snap.

He does leave AA (and BA previously) in too long, but there is a noticeable emphasis in building depth at quarterback in recruiting. This is not one of those areas to bitch about with Bret.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 09, 2017, 06:27:43 AM
Depth generally implies stability, readiness, capability, talent....and tied altogether by a coaching staff/support structure.

A college program should shoot for a balanced room...seniors, juniors, Soph, Freshman...and even thinking about the future.

We have 3 returning players at QB that have been in the program. 2 of them have seen the field. The 3rd guy is supposedly well liked. The 4th guy could be a starter in a four years. I think we may also have a walkon or two as well?

We have another one committed. Actually I think we have at least two committed but different future classes. Connor Nolan could easily end up doing baseball.

I would expect to see more of Story or Kelly in a couple of these non-con games.

I don't think anyone is saying that behind AA is another guy that can do the job right now, I think we have guys that once thrown into the fire they'll be ok.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Wooisme on August 09, 2017, 07:21:48 AM
When is the last time we had 4 QB's on campus that were ranked by recruiting services at 3 stars or above? Serious question.
A lot of the reason we didn't see much of Storey last season was that we had a first year starter on our hands that I believe the coaching staff wanted to give as many game reps as possible to.
I'm not sure I agree with it, but I also understand how a lot of that is situationally driven on a game by game basis.

All three stars or above on the roster in 2010...(there are more examples)

Ryan Mallett  (Jr.)
Tyler Wilson   (So.)
Brandon Mitchell  (Fr.)
Jacoby Walker (Fr.)

As far as the other positions and all this talk of depth....

Rotating mediocrity along both lines isn't depth.  It's just substitution.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 09, 2017, 07:21:50 AM
Finding legit QB's from even highly recruited kids is somewhat of a crapshoot.
It's nice to have a group of guys that compete for not just the starting gig, but for the 2nd and 3rd spots as well.
We've generally had that the past several years.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: MoPork on August 09, 2017, 07:52:02 AM
Idk why people want to be in a "Petrino or Bielema" camp. Bret didn't force Bobby out. Jeff Long didn't force him out either.  Bobby did it to himself. Bobby went out of his way to lie about it over and over. And Jeff offered Bobby a way to stay but Bobby wasn't interested in really working with him. I'm not a huge Jeff Long fan btw.

What I'm saying is this. You can love the Petrine years AND pull for Bret at the same time. Too many hog fans think it's one way or the other.

In fairness to Bret, the state of Arkansas hasn't provided him with much to work with player-wise. Bobby had a ton of in state talent to recruit his first two years. And to his credit he maximized it. Now I'll also say this, Houston Nutt had more Arkansas talent than either of them and he squandered it. How do you think Bret would've done w Jamal Anderson, Peyton Hillis, Darren McDadden etc for 2-3 years. Perfect players for his style. I guarantee you we would've been better than the 22-16 record we had in 05-07.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 09, 2017, 08:17:41 AM
And Jeff offered Bobby a way to stay but Bobby wasn't interested in really working with him.


Agree with the rest of your post, but you're going to need to show your work on this one. 

The text messages from Petrino's phone that were leaked seem to contradict you.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 09, 2017, 08:18:46 AM
Solid point.

Bert wouldn't let anyone else play, even when Allen was half beat to death.

Depth at QB?

I doubt Bert even believes that bs.
Good point.

I still think Enos is a good OC, just not sure he is giving free reins on the offense or developing the back ups.

I still remember seeing BA dangling his arm during the 2014 Misery game. I kept thinking AA should go in.

Of course we know how that ended, A blown game in the second half.




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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: MoPork on August 09, 2017, 08:23:23 AM
Agree with the rest of your post, but you're going to need to show your work on this one. 

The text messages from Petrino's phone that were leaked seem to contradict you.
he wouldn't take any kind of punishment is what I was told by someone in the know. Perhaps that's not entirely true
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 09, 2017, 09:00:01 AM
Despite it's strategic faults in implementation, Petrino or Nutt would not have been able to rotate pass rushers like we did last season.
That's depth.

Awesome.  We were able to rotate pass rushers for once, during a 7-6 season. 

How did the overall depth help us in the last two games?  The ability to rotate pass rushers?

I just think some of you just yearn for something to hang your hat on, when everyone can look at wins/losses over a long period of time as a barometer.  If the strongest argument for Bert is that hey we would have been even better if our 3rd and 4th stringers would have gotten to play, is strange. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 09, 2017, 09:23:57 AM
Truth is we had shitty captains/leaders on the team last year. When games start going south you need leaders to be the guys to step up and put out the fire. Those guys weren't capable of this or unwilling to. I lead toward the former.

I'm much more encouraged by the guys leading the team this year so hopefully blowing 17+ point leads won't happen this season.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 09, 2017, 09:24:29 AM
he wouldn't take any kind of punishment is what I was told by someone in the know. Perhaps that's not entirely true

Any idea what punishment was offered?  Some punishments are so bad that you can't afford to take them, even if it means losing your job. 

He seemed somewhat contrite in the text messages.  Didn't look like someone who was flipping the bird to a reasonable sanction, especially given that he didn't contest the lack of a buyout once the deal was done.  He almost seemed desperate if I remember right. 

It's all water under the bridge, but if Long really offered a way out that didn't involve firing or sucking a dick then my opinion of him is a little bit higher, and my opinion of BP is a little lower. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: goporkyourself on August 09, 2017, 09:29:08 AM
i hate all of you
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 09, 2017, 09:38:48 AM
i hate all of you

Wait...even me?  I'm the most lovable guy alive. 

But, back on the subject....now that we're 3 weeks and 1 day away, I have decided that we're going 9-3.  Losses to Alabama and LSU for sure.  The third loss, I'm not sure, but I say it comes from one of these 3 games:  Texas A&M, Auburn, and TCU.   GO HOGS!   ;D
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 09, 2017, 09:56:25 AM
Not quite sure I've heard boasting about how many QB's a team has before.  Think of all the funny name combinations they will be able to make on the sidelines.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: razorwire on August 09, 2017, 09:58:48 AM
Ah, the hell with it.  After reading the outstanding story of our history, we are going undefeated.   "Heart" gentlemen. :helmet:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 09, 2017, 10:06:25 AM
It's sad that so many people think depth isn't important in football.  And I can't believe y'all don't understand why a team needs more than 1 QB.

Wait, this IS the thread where we make nonsense arguments about things no one ever said, just so we can hang on to our simplistic, strictly emotional analyses, right?  Or was that every single thread on the board these days?  I get so confused.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 09, 2017, 10:08:31 AM
It's sad that so many people think depth isn't important in football.  And I can't believe y'all don't understand why a team needs more than 1 QB.

Wait, this IS the thread where we make nonsense arguments about things no one ever said, just so we can hang on to our simplistic, strictly emotional analyses, right?  Or was that every single thread on the board these days?  I get so confused.

Well, there are like 3 or 4 threads with the same theme.  This one, the 2017 offseason one, the preseason poll one....what else?  They should all be combined. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: MoPork on August 09, 2017, 10:12:40 AM
Anyone and I mean anyone who thinks Bobby Petrino left more talent and depth than Bert would leave at this stage is an idiot. Sorry. Now Bobby Petrino was hands down a better play caller than Bielema. But he didn't recruit for shit his last three classes
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 09, 2017, 10:12:48 AM
Petrino's 3rd year was when Hootie started tanking OM right? Looks like the SEC teams we beat that year had 15 total SEC wins and 35 SEC losses. SC had 6 of the 15 SEC wins so it appears to maybe just we weren't as good as we want to remember it by. Especially add that one win was Vandy that took a 99 yard fumble return for TD to win that game.

Um, that was Petrino's 4th year. 

And if there's one thing we've all learned (unless you're just biased), it's better to get a "95 yard fumble return for a win" with 11ish minutes left in the game than a "we woulda won had it not been for a fumble on the other team's goal line with 27 minutes left in the game."

And again, almost everyone's record in the SEC is worse if we're the 3rd best team vs. the worst team.  Use a little logic.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 09, 2017, 10:28:35 AM
If Fitzgerald isn't like Dak too much and if Chad Kelly II sucks, and if a+m runs off 2 more 5* QB's before first "kick", the Hogs will win 9-10 games like NORMAL.

I don't mind winning "just 9-10" games, even if I'd rather win 10-11-12. 

Either way, in what world is us winning 9-10 games normal.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 09, 2017, 10:31:27 AM
It's sad that so many people think depth isn't important in football.  And I can't believe y'all don't understand why a team needs more than 1 QB.

Wait, this IS the thread where we make nonsense arguments about things no one ever said, just so we can hang on to our simplistic, strictly emotional analyses, right?  Or was that every single thread on the board these days?  I get so confused.

We have more than one QB?  I thought that funny looking kid wearing his helmet two sizes too big who came in to hand the ball off over and over when AA sometimes goes out was someone we picked up off the intramural fields.  Because if we have to try to win games with that kid, we are fucked.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 09, 2017, 10:34:20 AM
You would think that last season was the most embarrassing season of the last quarter century from the way some people talk about it.

Not the most embarrassing season but shitting the bed in the second half of two nationally televised games to end the season plus a 53 point blowout to an ok Auburn team and yeah, last year could be considered a bit embarrassing.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 09, 2017, 10:39:16 AM
I don't mind winning "just 9-10" games, even if I'd rather win 10-11-12. 

Either way, in what world is us winning 9-10 games normal.

When OM and Miss St are being ranked in the Top 5, it is not good for Arkansas' chances of winning 9-10 games. If they are not that good(like normal), then we have a good chance at winning 9-10 games. Then you really just have to win 2 out of the remaining 4 SEC West teams and hope you get a Vandy on your East schedule. That is how Arkansas has always gotten 9-10 wins, so that is the NORMAL formula for success. Ask Hootie and Bobby.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 09, 2017, 10:41:08 AM
Beat A&M and the world is right again.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 09, 2017, 10:48:28 AM
When OM and Miss St are being ranked in the Top 5, it is not good for Arkansas' chances of winning 9-10 games.

That happened in 2014?  And we beat OM that year right? 

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 09, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
Wait...even me?  I'm the most lovable guy alive. 

But, back on the subject....now that we're 3 weeks and 1 day away, I have decided that we're going 9-3.  Losses to Alabama and LSU for sure.  The third loss, I'm not sure, but I say it comes from one of these 3 games:  Texas A&M, Auburn, and TCU.   GO HOGS!   ;D

I'll give you Alabama, but LSU is one team we always seem to step up for.  Could be the stilleto trophy or something else, but we usually are competitive with them.  I wouldn't count that as a for sure loss.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 09, 2017, 11:02:36 AM
Beat A&M and the world is right again.

I'm so sick of losing to those pieces of shit.  Ain't all he's got to do, but he needs to do at least this.  Order must be restored.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 09, 2017, 11:04:35 AM
That happened in 2014?  And we beat OM that year right?

You are going to need to make a point instead of playing 20 questions. I have made my point (we need the Miss schools to not be good and hopefully everyone else in the SEC West not be Top 10 teams when we play them) but whatevs.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 09, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
You are going to need to make a point instead of playing 20 questions. I have made my point (we need the Miss schools to not be good and hopefully everyone else in the SEC West not be Top 10 teams when we play them) but whatevs.

Know your audience.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 09, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
I'll give you Alabama, but LSU is one team we always seem to step up for.  Could be the stilleto trophy or something else, but we usually are competitive with them.  I wouldn't count that as a for sure loss.

Well, we did win there in 2015 so yeah, I suppose the LSU game isn't a certain loss.  Plus, as I've stated before, they are coached by Captain Caveman who has an all time SEC record of like 10-22.  Or is that Bret Bielema?  Since 1997, we've won exactly twice AT LSU:  Dickhead Nutt's last game to coach 2007 and 2 years ago with the fattest coach ever to coach the game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 09, 2017, 11:25:53 AM
Beat A&M and the world is right again.

I'd be satisfied with that
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 09, 2017, 11:54:23 AM
the fattest coach ever to coach the game.

I'm giving Mark Mangino your address. Expect to be squashed.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: asshat on August 09, 2017, 12:15:34 PM
Beat A&M and the world is right again.
can we add Auburn to the list?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 09, 2017, 12:17:21 PM
can we add Auburn to the list?

auburn may be out of our league this year (they are a lot of years), but we still hold strong against them sans last year's quit job (which backs up the lack of team leadership theories).   

A&M tho?      We shouldn't lose to them like we have.   Especially up in damn near EVERY EFFIN GAME.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Vito Porkleone on August 09, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
I want to win 10 for the express purpose of pissing off some people in this thread.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 09, 2017, 12:33:16 PM
You fuckers keep crying while I am about to make some money on the Hogs...

https://www.sbnation.com/odds/2017/8/8/16111314/sec-football-championship-odds-2017-betting-preview-alabama-lsu-auburn-georgia-florida

SEC Championship Betting Odds
Alabama -150
LSU +500
Auburn +500
Georgia +700
Florida +800
Tennessee +2000
Texas A&M +4000
Arkansas +6600
Mississippi State +7500
Kentucky +10000
South Carolina +10000
Missouri +20000
Vanderbilt +20000
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 09, 2017, 12:37:58 PM
Now he's running diversion tactics by bringing his kid to pressers. God we're so fucked.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 09, 2017, 12:39:25 PM
Plus, as I've stated before, they are coached by Captain Caveman who has an all time SEC record of like 10-22. 

That record seems awfully familiar for some reason.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 09, 2017, 12:42:20 PM
You fuckers keep crying while I am about to make some money on the Hogs...

https://www.sbnation.com/odds/2017/8/8/16111314/sec-football-championship-odds-2017-betting-preview-alabama-lsu-auburn-georgia-florida

SEC Championship Betting Odds
Alabama -150
LSU +500
Auburn +500
Georgia +700
Florida +800
Tennessee +2000
Texas A&M +4000
Arkansas +6600
Mississippi State +7500
Kentucky +10000
South Carolina +10000
Missouri +20000
Vanderbilt +20000

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/509/dean-scream.jpg)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 09, 2017, 12:46:31 PM
You fuckers keep crying while I am about to make some money on the Hogs...

https://www.sbnation.com/odds/2017/8/8/16111314/sec-football-championship-odds-2017-betting-preview-alabama-lsu-auburn-georgia-florida

SEC Championship Betting Odds
Alabama -150
LSU +500
Auburn +500
Georgia +700
Florida +800
Tennessee +2000
Texas A&M +4000
Arkansas +6600
Mississippi State +7500
Kentucky +10000
South Carolina +10000
Missouri +20000
Vanderbilt +20000

Auburn is an overlay at that price.  I'd jump all over that. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 09, 2017, 12:54:28 PM
I want to win 10 for the express purpose of pissing off some people in this thread.

It wouldn't piss me off.  I want them to win that many because I'm a Razorback fan.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 09, 2017, 12:59:54 PM
It wouldn't piss me off.  I want them to win that many because I'm a Razorback fan.

second that.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 09, 2017, 01:10:17 PM

I want to win 10 for the express purpose of pissing off some people in this thread.

It wouldn't piss me off.  I want them to win that many because I'm a Razorback fan.

Not me!  I want them to win 10 specifically to piss off other so-called Razorback fans who are Bret Haters.  Plain and simple.   If it wasn't for those negative Nancys, I'd be totally happy with 6-6.   ;)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: REDHEAD on August 09, 2017, 01:12:05 PM
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/509/dean-scream.jpg)
:maundoed:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 09, 2017, 01:18:06 PM
Man...not sure where we'd be had we gotten to elect him.

https://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/4/12/15259402/howard-dean-obamacare-opioid




i know i know....
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 09, 2017, 01:23:21 PM
can we add Auburn to the list?
Fuck, what about Bama? 10 years has been long enough.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 09, 2017, 01:28:46 PM
It wouldn't piss me off.  I want them to win that many because I'm a Razorback fan.
Yeah, no shit. I'll gladly eat crow. Experience has told me time and time again to not get my hopes up. I've yet to see anything to make me think we'll be better than 6-6, give or take a game. Being a realist doesn't mean I want the Hogs to fail.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 09, 2017, 03:31:48 PM
Good article on Chase Hayden

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/09/father-treated-son-s-growth-as-business/
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 09, 2017, 04:26:40 PM
Good article on Chase Hayden

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/09/father-treated-son-s-growth-as-business/

Thanks for posting. Everybody I've talked to who has seen practice brings this kid up. I knew he was a stud baller, but I didn't know his dad played in the NFL. Very good stuff.

This post really should have gone in the "positive" thread. Oh, wait...
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 09, 2017, 04:29:08 PM
Thanks for posting. Everybody I've talked to who has seen practice brings this kid up. I knew he was a stud baller, but I didn't know his dad played in the NFL. Very good stuff.

This post really should have gone in the "positive" thread. Oh, wait...

I always assumed he was white.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 09, 2017, 04:38:50 PM
I want to win 10 for the express purpose of pissing off some people in this thread.

I don't think I will ever have the opportunity to have sex with Alyssa Milano.  I can assure you though that if this miraculous event occurs I will not be pissed about being wrong.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 09, 2017, 04:51:08 PM
I don't think I will ever have the opportunity to have sex with Alyssa Milano.  I can assure you though that if this miraculous event occurs I will not be pissed about being wrong.

I bet she has hairy nipples
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 09, 2017, 05:03:29 PM
I bet she has hairy nipples

I hope to find out one day.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 09, 2017, 05:07:25 PM
Good article on Chase Hayden

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/09/father-treated-son-s-growth-as-business/

I did not know he was a McFadden fan growing up.  I can't wait to see him on the field.  Good article.  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 09, 2017, 05:09:53 PM
I always assumed he was white.

i'm glad i wasn't alone.    sounds like the name of a white-faced chappelle show character.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 09, 2017, 05:14:19 PM
I don't think I will ever have the opportunity to have sex with Alyssa Milano.  I can assure you though that if this miraculous event occurs I will not be pissed about being wrong.

Surely you're not equating your chances for having sex with Marisa Tomei Alyssa Milano to the Hogs chances of winning 10 games ever again?  If so, damn, you better get your dick ready.  Because the Hogs will win 10 games, I'll bet...and relatively soon. Maybe not 2017 but before 2020. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hoggadore on August 09, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Surely you're not equating your chances for having sex with Marisa Tomei Alyssa Milano to the Hogs chances of winning 10 games ever again?  If so, damn, you better get your dick ready.  Because the Hogs will win 10 games, I'll bet...and relatively soon. Maybe not 2017 but before 2020.

Shit, I bet they'll win 15+ in that time.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boared Cynic on August 09, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
I always assumed he was white.

How many black guys are there that are named Chase?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: gibraltar on August 09, 2017, 06:46:26 PM
I bet she has hairy nipples
Unless she shaves that shit, they ain't. Beautiful titties they are.
I love the internet.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogNrock on August 09, 2017, 07:21:15 PM
Good article on Chase Hayden

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/09/father-treated-son-s-growth-as-business/

Everyone I have talked to around here (Collierville/Arlington) that knows him has said he will not be outworked and is a smart, talented kid.  One's son played basketball with him and when I guessed he would probably redshirt he said "no way, people are underestimating him.  They won't be able to keep him off the field."
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 09, 2017, 07:51:56 PM
Fuck it, I'm in. #NotWhiteChase4Heisman.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogNrock on August 09, 2017, 08:04:04 PM
Fuck it, I'm in. #NotWhiteChase4Heisman.

Print the shirts
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 09, 2017, 08:05:25 PM
Last year's Ole Miss game currently on SEC Network.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: PorkRyan on August 09, 2017, 09:05:20 PM
I'm in too. Fuck it, it beats being negative and I'm used to being let down. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 09, 2017, 09:11:53 PM
I'm in too. Fuck it, it beats being negative and I'm used to being let down.

can't wait for some beer saturdays with the pads banging.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 09, 2017, 09:17:53 PM
Good article on Chase Hayden

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/09/father-treated-son-s-growth-as-business/

Hold up, Chase was Mr. Basketball and Mike can't get at least a semester out of the guy? Seriously though, I just upped it to eleven wins!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 09, 2017, 09:26:53 PM
Reading that article on Chase made me realize it's been a decade since the SECOND amazing  Felix/DMac season.

I'd just like to take this opportunity to tell time to go fuck itself in its diseased ass.  As a concept, it's bullshit; as a dimension, it's fourth-rate at best.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 09, 2017, 09:33:57 PM
Now that I think about it, are our "best players" (hopefully also leaders of the team or at least had Dmac posters) from Arkansas? I'll hang up and listen to where the talent on THIS squad comes from.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 09, 2017, 09:49:56 PM
Not quite sure I've heard boasting about how many QB's a team has before.  Think of all the funny name combinations they will be able to make on the sidelines.
Didn't Nutt play something like 4 QBs against UNLV in the opener at War Memorial and none of them were named Matt Jones who later saved his butt as a coach.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: asshat on August 09, 2017, 09:58:18 PM
I was there, it really happened,
Jones threw like shit in teh warmup that night though
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 09, 2017, 10:15:40 PM
Awesome.  We were able to rotate pass rushers for once, during a 7-6 season. 

How did the overall depth help us in the last two games?  The ability to rotate pass rushers?

I just think some of you just yearn for something to hang your hat on, when everyone can look at wins/losses over a long period of time as a barometer.  If the strongest argument for Bert is that hey we would have been even better if our 3rd and 4th stringers would have gotten to play, is strange.


How many times do I have to qualify statements about building quality depth for you?

I'm not sure how much more monosyllabically I can state it for you to understand it all.

When I specifically say it hasn't shown much success because the talent isn't quite there, what does that mean to you?

NO ONE is "yearning" for anything when they make an honest observation about the program. We have pretty good depth right now. Enough to consistently compete in the conference as a whole. We don't have the top-level talent to consistently beat the top teams, though.
This is not rocket science.
It is a very simple statement that plenty here understand and even somewhat agree with.

If you can't wrap your head around it, the problem is not others and their "yearning," it's your miserable ass refusing to accept any alternative view point.
It's quite clear that any observation beyond a W-L record is 100% lost on you. Your response to this will be the predictable schtick of nothing besides wins mattering anyways... despite the fact that it has been noted many times that we clearly could have won more games and that is 100% on the coaching staff. Life is not a dichotomy.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 09, 2017, 10:50:49 PM
Potential promising news for the Hogs as we get closer to the season from an LSU beat writer:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 09, 2017, 10:55:55 PM
gotta be because of their trash S&C program
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 10, 2017, 09:54:49 AM
Everyone I have talked to around here (Collierville/Arlington) that knows him has said he will not be outworked and is a smart, talented kid.  One's son played basketball with him and when I guessed he would probably redshirt he said "no way, people are underestimating him.  They won't be able to keep him off the field."
Arlington?  Did he live in Arlington and go to school at St. George's.  He was Tennessee Mr. Basketball last 2 years. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: razorwire on August 10, 2017, 10:01:39 AM
How many black guys are there that are named Chase?
You sure it wasn't Chas-e'?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 10, 2017, 10:54:44 AM
You sure it wasn't Chas-e'?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd7FixvoKBw
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on August 10, 2017, 12:28:21 PM
I always assumed he was white.

me too.  its our cultural racial bias.  you just don't see to many black fellers with the name chase.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 10, 2017, 12:41:53 PM
me too.  its our cultural racial bias.  you just don't see to many black fellers with the name chase.
Not singling you out Bass (as many here thought the same thing) but I just assumed everyone knew/remembered his dad Aaron being a very good RB from Tennessee in the early/mid 90's.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: woodhog14 on August 10, 2017, 12:55:42 PM
Fuck, what about Bama? 10 years has been long enough.
It amazes me how our fans and other fan bases compare themselves to Bama or get mad at losing to Bama. We aren't the only team losing to Bama. They are beating EVERYBODY EVERY YEAR.

Check out Bama's streaks since Saban joined the Tide.

Bama is now 43 -5 in the SEC over the last 6 seasons.
Those 5 loses were by a combined TOTAL of 26 points. This included:
9-6 loss to LSU in 2011 (LSU was #1) 
Kick Six to the Barners in 2013
2015  a 7 point loss to Ole Miss when Bama turned the ball over 5 times and started a True Freshman QB before giving way to Coker
Bama has a least a 2 game winning streak or more against everyone in the SEC but Ole Miss and USCe.

Bama vs. the SEC last 10 years win streak (ten year record):

vs. Arkansas 10 game win streak (last ten years 10-0)
vs. Tennessee 10 game (10-0)
vs. State 9 game (9-1)
vs. LSU 6 game (8-3) (Played twice in 2011, once for NC)
vs. Florida 5 game (5-1)
vs. Kentucky 4 game (4-0)
vs. A&M 4 game (4-1)
vs. Georgia 3 game (3-1)
vs. Auburn 3 game (7-3)
vs. Vandy 2 game (2-0)
vs. Missouri 2 game (2-0)
vs. Ole Miss 1 game (8-2)
vs. South Carolina 1 game losing streak (1-1) (Haven't played since 2010)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 10, 2017, 12:59:32 PM
Not singling you out Bass (as many here thought the same thing) but I just assumed everyone knew/remembered his dad Aaron being a very good RB from Tennessee in the early/mid 90's.

That's A-Aron to you.
Title: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: mde114 on August 10, 2017, 01:07:42 PM
Really don't care about the Alabama series or 0-10 record but that 5 game losing streak to aTm chaps my ass and better end this season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 10, 2017, 01:16:43 PM
That's A-Aron to you.
:thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 10, 2017, 01:26:44 PM
Really don't care about the Alabama series or 0-10 record but that 5 game losing streak to aTm chaps my ass and better end this season.

Baby steps. We just beat Mississippi State for the first time in five years last season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: abypfcs on August 10, 2017, 01:44:57 PM
Wait...even me?  I'm the most lovable guy alive. 

But, back on the subject....now that we're 3 weeks and 1 day away, I have decided that we're going 9-3.  Losses to Alabama and LSU for sure.  The third loss, I'm not sure, but I say it comes from one of these 3 games:  Texas A&M, Auburn, and TCU.   GO HOGS!   ;D
I would guess it would be Auburn, as I am contemplating a trip to Arkansas mid October.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Wooisme on August 10, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
You sure it wasn't Chas-e'?

...or Chaizzee
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 10, 2017, 04:14:05 PM
http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/10/several-hogs-mend

Quote
Quarterback Austin Allen has followed up his sizzling scrimmage performance with several good days of practice, the Arkansas coordinators said Wednesday.

Allen went 19 of 23 for 304 yards, including a 67-yard over-the-top touchdown pass to La’Michael Pettway, in Saturday’s scrimmage.

“We would have won a lot of football games with the way Austin Allen threw the football yesterday,” defensive coordinator Paul Rhoads said when asked about the advantage his defense had in facing a veteran SEC quarterback every day. “Man, he was on the money and threw a lot of balls that you couldn’t play as a defender. If he can pay like that all season long, we’ll be in every ballgame because of it.”

Sunshine and koolaid for all.  If we have any semblance of a defense this year it's on!  :helmet:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 10, 2017, 06:04:09 PM
I think Pettway steps up and hopefully Hammonds recovers quickly.  He pulled off a good run against Miss St. last year and could be a threat.  I have my fingers crossed that Whaley continues to build on his raw talent and learns to protect himself better.  Can't wait to see how Hayden and DW contribute. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: papermill on August 10, 2017, 06:29:43 PM
me too.  its our cultural racial bias.  you just don't see to many black fellers with the name chase.

Because they are faster than other people so they don't chase
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 10, 2017, 06:33:10 PM
http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/10/several-hogs-mend

Sunshine and koolaid for all.  If we have any semblance of a defense this year it's on!  :helmet:

Boy they come at you so fast.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogTat on August 10, 2017, 08:58:56 PM
Potential promising news for the Hogs as we get closer to the season from an LSU beat writer:

Can Adam Sandler play guard?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 10, 2017, 11:22:35 PM
Boy they come at you so fast.

I was told AA is absolutely placing the ball where only his receiver has a chance to catch it. Obviously he knows he isn't going to get hit, but it is nice to hear this, in my opinion. Protection will be the key.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogNrock on August 11, 2017, 09:25:15 AM
Arlington?  Did he live in Arlington and go to school at St. George's.  He was Tennessee Mr. Basketball last 2 years.

He didn't live in Arlington (to my knowledge). I live in Arl and have heard from some who live here now that knew him from Cville. Poor wording on my part
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 11, 2017, 01:39:38 PM
He didn't live in Arlington (to my knowledge). I live in Arl and have heard from some who live here now that knew him from Cville. Poor wording on my part
Hmmm, I live in Collierville and work in Arlington.  I kinda know his HS coach and he told me no one will out work this kid.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogNrock on August 11, 2017, 03:37:22 PM
Hmmm, I live in Collierville and work in Arlington.  I kinda know his HS coach and he told me no one will out work this kid.

 :thumbup:
I grew up in Collierville and still know a lot of folks there. Sounds like you heard the same things I did
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 11, 2017, 04:23:50 PM
:thumbup:
I grew up in Collierville and still know a lot of folks there. Sounds like you heard the same things I did
Y'all stop now. You're totally going against the meme that Bert isn't a good recruiter.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 11, 2017, 04:25:38 PM
Y'all stop now. You're totally going against the meme that Bert isn't a good recruiter.
Bert's fat
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 11, 2017, 09:49:40 PM
PSA: Last years Missouri game is on the SEC Network in 10 minutes!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 11, 2017, 10:12:54 PM
PSA: Last years Missouri game is on the SEC Network in 10 minutes!

I have a shit load of videos of us not scoring in the end zone if anyone wants them. Awesome view of one of the interceptions.  Like, right there.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogTat on August 12, 2017, 11:36:03 AM
PSA: Last years Missouri game is on the SEC Network in 10 minutes!

Bag over the head punch in the face, sure I'll watch it.   ::)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 12, 2017, 12:05:14 PM
Bag over the head punch in the face, sure I'll watch it.   ::)

Better than a bag over the head donkey punch.

gotta be positive.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 12, 2017, 01:51:32 PM
Hayden is going to be a monster. He's doing work against the one defense.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: PorkRyan on August 12, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Hayden is going to be a monster. He's doing work against the one defense.

Hard to get too excited about that when Jack Lindsey and Will Gragg are also doing work against the #1 defense. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Porkscrew Johnson on August 12, 2017, 05:47:56 PM
Jack Lindsey for Heisman?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 12, 2017, 10:49:36 PM
Hard to get too excited about that when Jack Lindsey and Will Gragg are also doing work against the #1 defense.

Never thought I'd feel this old when children are now playing for the hogs.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Feral on August 13, 2017, 10:18:33 AM
PSA: Last years Missouri game is on the SEC Network in 10 minutes!

I watched the Arkansas In 60 segment where they covered our season via clips from each game. It reinforces how bad our season was and could have been when you're reminded that we had to come from behind to beat LA. Tech, almost blew the TCU game, were close to blowing the Ole Miss game, and let State get going in the second half and probably would have blown that game if not for their defense being shittier than ours. I had to fast forward through the Auburn and LSU ass whippings and turned it off before it got to the Mizzou and Va. Tech disasters.

We were literally two plays away from going 5-7. Damn.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 13, 2017, 02:11:36 PM
Never thought I'd feel this old when children are now playing for the hogs.
grandchildren
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 13, 2017, 09:12:11 PM


We were literally two plays away from going 5-7. Damn.

And a few 2nd half plays away from 8-4 and then 9-4.


Sent from Terra using my tricorder on Tapatalk

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 13, 2017, 09:35:11 PM

And a few 2nd half plays away from 8-4 and then 9-4.


Sent from Terra using my tricorder on Tapatalk

That's exactly right.  So no more "we were just a few plays away from being....".  Every team every year has games they could have won or lost on the outcome of a couple of plays. Your record is what you are.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Fairweather Hog Fan on August 14, 2017, 09:23:06 AM
Jack Lindsey for Heisman?

Doesn't he have some apartments to peddle?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 14, 2017, 09:28:23 AM
Doesn't he have some apartments to peddle?

Just be glad Nutt isn't the coach.  Lindsey would be your starting scholarship QB.  Repayment for the two-year pass and all.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 14, 2017, 11:01:11 AM
grandchildren

Not in that sense.  I thought he was still in Middle School.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 16, 2017, 07:52:33 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/sHMB8CAh.jpg)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 16, 2017, 08:24:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/sHMB8CAh.jpg)
If we're going to dream, why not go undefeated?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 16, 2017, 08:29:18 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/sHMB8CAh.jpg)
The Ole Miss game looks like it will be a real shootout.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Sweet River Baines on August 16, 2017, 08:33:13 AM
The Ole Miss game looks like it will be a real shootout.

Nah, all those points are scored in the first half....
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 16, 2017, 09:12:56 AM
The Ole Miss game looks like it will be a real shootout.

:)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 16, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Wow.. They're predicting a lot of shoot outs.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 16, 2017, 09:09:07 PM
Wow.. They're predicting a lot of shoot outs.
They've seen our D. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 17, 2017, 09:22:23 AM
They've seen our D.

What do you expect, in those tight pants they wear?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 17, 2017, 11:53:40 AM
Nah, all those points are scored in the first half....

 :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 19, 2017, 11:34:42 AM
South Carolina might have the worst D in the SEC.  We should hang 40+ on them.
I'm a little worried about MisStake this season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogtimate29 on August 19, 2017, 01:30:35 PM
looks like somemessageboard has case of the Mondays. 8-4 is my prediction, beating the vegas line for wins.  :dude1:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 19, 2017, 01:36:27 PM
South Carolina might have the worst D in the SEC.  We should hang 40+ on them.


I wouldn't rest on their defense as long as they have Boom as their coach.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 19, 2017, 01:46:18 PM
looks like somemessageboard has case of the Mondays. 8-4 is my prediction, beating the vegas line for wins.  :dude1:
Every since the Monday after the Misery game.

Sent while RMPL

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogtimate29 on August 19, 2017, 01:52:20 PM
I watched that trainwreck unfold from my seat in bud walton arena. thanks for picking the scab.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 19, 2017, 01:56:32 PM
I watched that trainwreck unfold from my seat in bud walton arena. thanks for picking the scab.
Anytime.

I was at my parent's house, SMH.

Sent while RMPL

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 19, 2017, 02:27:47 PM
How's this for doom and gloom: If we lose to Mizzu this year I'll eat a bowl of used kitten litter. Couldnt get any damn worse.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 19, 2017, 03:38:31 PM
I wouldn't rest on their defense as long as they have Boom as their coach.
Boom was their coach last year and their D sucked.  Suckier this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: papermill on August 19, 2017, 03:55:34 PM
How's this for doom and gloom: If we lose to Mizzu this year I'll eat a bowl of used kitten litter. Couldnt get any damn worse.

If it comes to that put some hot sauce on it.  Everything is better with hot sauce.

or maybe put some hot sauce in your cat's food for a few days beforehand
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 19, 2017, 04:38:01 PM
We should not be at the point where we have to look at Missouri and Texas A&M and talk about splitting those games. Splitting LSU and Auburn is a reasonable prediction in most years, but the Mississippi Schools and Missouri should be automatic wins whenever we start checking off games on the schedule. A team can always have a magical year where they overachieve, but in the preseason those games should be W's. Texas A&M has not been as good in the SEC as their record against us indicates, and their record against us the past few years is inflated due to some of the most surreal "grasp defeat from jaws of victory" games ever in 2014 and 2015.

All things being equal, missouri, mississippix2 and A&M should all be wins, along with our non-conference schedule. That's our pecking order in the SEC, or at least that's where it should be all things considered. We should be competitive enough to hang with everyone above us on the ladder, and beat more than half two years out of every four year cycle.  In non-dumpster fire down years we should at least win one of Alabama, LSU and Auburn. In good years we should expect to win two of those.

We don't have the advantages of other schools to be able to reload every year. We're a two up two down school, with two better years followed by two worse years, but we should always expect to be better than Misstate, Miss, Mizz, and Jizz.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 20, 2017, 11:54:52 AM
We don't have the advantages of other schools to be able to reload every year. We're a two up two down school, with two better years followed by two worse years, but we should always expect to be better than Misstate, Miss, Mizz, and Jizz.

If we were better than those schools, we'd be much better than a 2 up, 2 down school.  Even if we only went 3-1 against them.  Even Nutt and JLS (and Petrino, btw), showed you can beat Auburn consistently.

Bert being 1-2 against Mizzou and 0-4 against A&M are probably the most concerning facts for the Lurk and Coalboar crowd. 

Man, I hope he succeeds because Long will NEVER get rid of him if he keeps putting up Nutt-like records, so I sure hope we win at least 9 soon.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 21, 2017, 01:36:09 AM
If we were better than those schools, we'd be much better than a 2 up, 2 down school.  Even if we only went 3-1 against them.  Even Nutt and JLS (and Petrino, btw), showed you can beat Auburn consistently.

Bert being 1-2 against Mizzou and 0-4 against A&M are probably the most concerning facts for the Lurk and Coalboar crowd. 

Man, I hope he succeeds because Long will NEVER get rid of him if he keeps putting up Nutt-like records, so I sure hope we win at least 9 soon.

Stop grouping my thoughts with Lurk's, you stupid smug little shit.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 21, 2017, 07:37:54 AM
Stop grouping my thoughts with Lurk's, you stupid smug little shit.

He's trying soooooo hard to get the Nutt thing going again. 

Reminds me a lot of that one cheesedick everyone knows who is always trying to give himself nicknames.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 21, 2017, 08:39:57 AM
He's trying soooooo hard to get the Nutt thing going again. 

Reminds me a lot of that one cheesedick everyone knows who is always trying to give himself nicknames.

The "Nutt thing" is very obvious to all who don't mind seeing. He treats players better. So far that's the only difference. And his record isn't near as good.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 21, 2017, 08:55:30 AM
The "Nutt thing" is very obvious to all who don't mind seeing. He treats players better. So far that's the only difference. And his record isn't near as good.

Nutt would have probably won at least 9 the last two years.  So, no, I'm not seeing the Nutt thing.  Bert has a ways to go to be good for Pugh to be compared to a Nutt.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 21, 2017, 09:33:31 AM
Nutt would have probably won at least 9 the last two years.  So, no, I'm not seeing the Nutt thing.  Bert has a ways to go to be good for Pugh to be compared to a Nutt.

There is no fucking way Nutt would have won 9 the past 2 years. You are still a fucking rodeo clown spouting out this type of nonsense.

Bielema might not make it long term here but it won't be because he is a worse coach than Nutt.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 21, 2017, 09:36:23 AM
There is no fucking way Nutt would have won 9 the past 2 years. You are still a fucking rodeo clown spouting out this type of nonsense.

Bielema might not make it long term here but it won't be because he is a worse coach than Nutt.

I don't know...he did manage to win at least 9 one time in 3 years with Darren McFadden, Peyton Hillis and Felix Jones in the same backfield.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 21, 2017, 09:45:19 AM
I don't know...he did manage to win at least 9 one time in 3 years with Darren McFadden, Peyton Hillis and Felix Jones in the same backfield.

We didnt have that type of talent the past two years from my recollection. I would argue that Bielema would have won the SEC with that team and Gus calling the plays.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 21, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
We didnt have that type of talent the past two years from my recollection. I would argue that Bielema would have won the SEC with that team and Gus calling the plays.

(I think Bighurtt was making a funny. With those 3 available in the backfield Helen Keller or Quasimodo as coach should have won 10+ games per year)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 21, 2017, 10:07:27 AM
I don't know...he did manage to win at least 9 one time in 3 years with Darren McFadden, Peyton Hillis and Felix Jones in the same backfield.

He won at least nine four times, including two in a row.  To match Nutt in the nine win season category through the same point in his coaching tenure, Bert is going to have to win nine or more in four of the next six.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 21, 2017, 10:12:13 AM
He won at least nine four times, including two in a row.  To match Nutt in the nine win season category through the same point in his coaching tenure, Bert is going to have to win nine or more in four of the next six.


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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 21, 2017, 10:14:18 AM
Is it time to crapola this thread yet? :haironfire: ::)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 21, 2017, 10:17:57 AM
He won at least nine four times, including two in a row.  To match Nutt in the nine win season category through the same point in his coaching tenure, Bert is going to have to win nine or more in four of the next six.

Bert had five 9-win seasons in his first six as a head coach at a major division school.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 21, 2017, 10:21:08 AM
Bert had five 9-win seasons in his first six as a head coach at a major division school.

So sad you have to go back to another school to try and defend fatboy.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 21, 2017, 10:27:41 AM
So sad you have to go back to another school to try and defend fatboy.

I don't have to go anywhere.  You didn't say shit about schools.  I stayed in exactly the context of this discussion, which is why I'm not now mocking your laughable attempt to equate the mid-2000s SEC West to the mid-2010s SEC West.

Don't try to project your stupidity on to others.  YOU can't make YOUR argument intelligently, that's YOUR problem.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 21, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
I don't have to go anywhere.  You didn't say shit about schools.  I stayed in exactly the context of this discussion, which is why I'm not now mocking your laughable attempt to equate the mid-2000s SEC West to the mid-2010s SEC West.

Don't try to project your stupidity on to others.  YOU can't make YOUR argument intelligently, that's YOUR problem.

You are what your record says you are.  So far, Bert is just a pale...er, fat, imitation of Nutt.  Maybe someday with diligent effort and the unflagging support of guys like you, he can cross the Nutt threshold to coaching success.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 21, 2017, 10:42:16 AM
Coaches ranked by winning % after 4 years:

Holtz - 77%
Hatfield - 71%
Broyles - 67%
Petrino - 67%
Nutt - 63%
Bielema - 49%
Ford - 48%
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogtimate29 on August 21, 2017, 10:42:42 AM
damn, son. quit douching up the thread. :haironfire:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 21, 2017, 10:46:16 AM
You are what your record says you are.  So far, Bert is just a pale...er, fat, imitation of Nutt.  Maybe someday with diligent effort and the unflagging support of guys like you, he can cross the Nutt threshold to coaching success.
If you are only looking at the record and not the current level competition, then your logic should allow for BB's record at Wisconsin.  However you don't think that is relevant since it is a different conference, which is exactly what people are saying about the current SEC compared to when Nutt was coaching. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 21, 2017, 10:48:34 AM
If you are only looking at the record and not the current level competition, then your logic should allow for BB's record at Wisconsin.  However you don't think that is relevant since it is a different conference, which is exactly what people are saying about the current SEC compared to when Nutt was coaching.

Keep making excuses for a coach who only achieves at over eating.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 21, 2017, 11:00:59 AM
Keep making excuses for a coach who only achieves at over eating.
Don't you agree though that if you are willing to compare BBs record against Nutts record over ten years ago then it should be logical to bring up BBs record at Wisconsin? They are both apples to oranges but you seem to think that only one is.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 21, 2017, 11:15:30 AM
(I think Bighurtt was making a funny. With those 3 available in the backfield Helen Keller or Quasimodo as coach should have won 10+ games per year)

I reply too fast sometimes 😀

Luckily we made the same point.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 21, 2017, 11:32:00 AM
Coaches ranked by winning % after 4 years:

Holtz - 77%
Hatfield - 71%
Broyles - 67%
Petrino - 67%
Nutt - 63%
Bielema - 49%
Ford - 48%

my how those numbers flip if Ford got to coach his last team rather than Dale.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 21, 2017, 11:46:52 AM
my how those numbers flip if Ford got to coach his last team rather than Dale.

Probably wouldn't have been his last team either.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 21, 2017, 11:56:05 AM
Probably wouldn't have been his last team either.

really worked out for us long term, getting rid of a proven coach who had to rebuild from shit with his best squad ready to go.   in favor of new blood and love for the helmet.

luckily, we as a people learn from our history.  We won't make that same mistake again.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 21, 2017, 11:56:30 AM
Don't you agree though that if you are willing to compare BBs record against Nutts record over ten years ago then it should be logical to bring up BBs record at Wisconsin? They are both apples to oranges but you seem to think that only one is.

He doesn't understand that the Miss schools have been ranked in the Top 10 at the same time. Wonder how many Nutt's teams faced that adversity.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 21, 2017, 12:00:13 PM
really worked out for us long term, getting rid of a proven coach who had to rebuild from shit with his best squad ready to go.   in favor of new blood and love for the helmet.

luckily, we as a people learn from our history.  We won't make that same mistake again.

Exactly. Doing it the right way for long term fun.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 21, 2017, 12:05:05 PM
He doesn't understand that the Miss schools have been ranked in the Top 10 at the same time. Wonder how many Nutt's teams faced that adversity.

Nutt faced the following Alabama coaches while at Arkansas as well

Mike Dubose (2-1)
Dennis Franchione (0-2)
Mike Shula (3-1)
Nick Saban (0-1 vs. a 6-6 team - the last Alabama team that wasn't bad ass).
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 21, 2017, 12:08:30 PM
We didnt have that type of talent the past two years from my recollection. I would argue that Bielema would have won the SEC with that team and Gus calling the plays.

The only argument you can make to bolster any Bielema is better than Nutt proposition is,

"I don't think Bielema is as much as a jackass"   That's it.  And I'm not a Nutt fan, haven't been since MSU '98.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 21, 2017, 12:23:27 PM
The only argument you can make to bolster any Bielema is better than Nutt proposition is,

"I don't think Bielema is as much as a jackass"   That's it.  And I'm not a Nutt fan, haven't been since MSU '98.

Bielema won a major conference 3 times - zero for Nutt

Bielema is the only coach in Arkansas history to win bowl games in back-to-back years, in his 2nd and 3rd seasons at the school - Nutt won two in an entire decade at Arkansas

Bielema has four 10-win seasons in 11 years at major programs - Nutt had 1 in 14 seasons

Bielema is currently the head coach at a major program - Nutt has been too radioactive for even small school work for 4 years

Bielema has won 65% of his games at major conference schools, Nutt 57%


I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you before it sinks in to that thickshit skull of yours - just because YOU are historically illiterate in sports, know nothing about college football, and have trouble understanding simple arguments, doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.  YOU are a stupid fucktard - that doesn't mean everyone else is a stupid fucktard, too,

Woopig doesn't exist to make you feel more comfortable with your lifetime of weak-wristed confusion.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 21, 2017, 01:30:24 PM
Bielema won a major conference 3 times - zero for Nutt

Bielema is the only coach in Arkansas history to win bowl games in back-to-back years, in his 2nd and 3rd seasons at the school - Nutt won two in an entire decade at Arkansas

Bielema has four 10-win seasons in 11 years at major programs - Nutt had 1 in 14 seasons

Bielema is currently the head coach at a major program - Nutt has been too radioactive for even small school work for 4 years

Bielema has won 65% of his games at major conference schools, Nutt 57%


I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you before it sinks in to that thickshit skull of yours - just because YOU are historically illiterate in sports, know nothing about college football, and have trouble understanding simple arguments, doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.  YOU are a stupid fucktard - that doesn't mean everyone else is a stupid fucktard, too,

Woopig doesn't exist to make you feel more comfortable with your lifetime of weak-wristed confusion.

Don't waste your time on these half-wits. They haven't gotten over the fact that BP got on that motorcycle on April Fool's day and then lied repeatedly to his boss basically forcing his AD to fire him. It's all Pepsico frontman's  fault. Trying to advance beyond that idea just totally overloads their circuits. ::)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Piggin Out on August 21, 2017, 01:52:25 PM
Can we bring back the "Also, I'm sexually attracted to coat hangers. blahing" of previous times back to a couple of posters trolls here?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DRYANKNPULL on August 21, 2017, 02:08:34 PM
The only thing worth noting about Nutt or Petrino is the fact that 9+ wins are possible at Arkansas. It even happened twice while losing to a Mississippi school.  It's time to start getting back to that mark.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 21, 2017, 02:14:24 PM
The only thing worth noting about Nutt or Petrino is the fact that 9+ wins are possible at Arkansas. It even happened twice will losing to a Mississippi school.  It's time to start getting back to that mark.
X 10000000
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on August 21, 2017, 02:15:18 PM
Bielema won a major conference 3 times - zero for Nutt

Bielema is the only coach in Arkansas history to win bowl games in back-to-back years, in his 2nd and 3rd seasons at the school - Nutt won two in an entire decade at Arkansas

Bielema has four 10-win seasons in 11 years at major programs - Nutt had 1 in 14 seasons

Bielema is currently the head coach at a major program - Nutt has been too radioactive for even small school work for 4 years

Bielema has won 65% of his games at major conference schools, Nutt 57%


I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you before it sinks in to that thickshit skull of yours - just because YOU are historically illiterate in sports, know nothing about college football, and have trouble understanding simple arguments, doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.  YOU are a stupid fucktard - that doesn't mean everyone else is a stupid fucktard, too,

Woopig doesn't exist to make you feel more comfortable with your lifetime of weak-wristed confusion.

broughten.  this is how you woopig.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 21, 2017, 02:15:33 PM
So sad you have to go back to another school to try and defend fatboy.


Have we lost yet this year?  No, Then shut the fuck up you balled up piece of panty lint. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 21, 2017, 02:16:14 PM
Is there anyone saying we can't win 9 games?  We won 8 two years ago, and were two second-half collapses away from 9 last year. 

Obviously we can win 9 games.  What an odd thing to say.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 21, 2017, 02:36:54 PM
Don't waste your time on these half-wits. They haven't gotten over the fact that BP got on that motorcycle on April Fool's day and then lied repeatedly to his boss basically forcing his AD to fire him, we didn't hire Gus. It's all Pepsico frontman's  fault. Trying to advance beyond that idea just totally overloads their circuits. ::)
Fixed that for you.  AP will never get over the fact that we passed on Gus.   
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 21, 2017, 02:39:53 PM
Bielema won a major conference 3 times - zero for Nutt

Bielema is the only coach in Arkansas history to win bowl games in back-to-back years, in his 2nd and 3rd seasons at the school - Nutt won two in an entire decade at Arkansas

Bielema has four 10-win seasons in 11 years at major programs - Nutt had 1 in 14 seasons

Bielema is currently the head coach at a major program - Nutt has been too radioactive for even small school work for 4 years

Bielema has won 65% of his games at major conference schools, Nutt 57%


I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you before it sinks in to that thickshit skull of yours - just because YOU are historically illiterate in sports, know nothing about college football, and have trouble understanding simple arguments, doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.  YOU are a stupid fucktard - that doesn't mean everyone else is a stupid fucktard, too,

Woopig doesn't exist to make you feel more comfortable with your lifetime of weak-wristed confusion.
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 21, 2017, 02:46:22 PM
Bielema won a major conference 3 times - zero for Nutt

Bielema is the only coach in Arkansas history to win bowl games in back-to-back years, in his 2nd and 3rd seasons at the school - Nutt won two in an entire decade at Arkansas

Bielema has four 10-win seasons in 11 years at major programs - Nutt had 1 in 14 seasons

Bielema is currently the head coach at a major program - Nutt has been too radioactive for even small school work for 4 years

Bielema has won 65% of his games at major conference schools, Nutt 57%


I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you before it sinks in to that thickshit skull of yours - just because YOU are historically illiterate in sports, know nothing about college football, and have trouble understanding simple arguments, doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.  YOU are a stupid fucktard - that doesn't mean everyone else is a stupid fucktard, too,

Woopig doesn't exist to make you feel more comfortable with your lifetime of weak-wristed confusion.

The fact that you consider that coherent or care enough to melt that hard over fatboy, says a lot.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 21, 2017, 02:53:09 PM
The fact that you consider that coherent or care enough to melt that hard over fatboy, says a lot.

He made a claim, I directly rebutted it.

The fact that you think I'm some kind of die-hard defender of Bielema, and that this weak sauce is the best you have, says a lot.

I'd bet a significant amount of money you are some morbidly fat, mediocre little pussy who blames better men for his shortcomings.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 21, 2017, 02:57:17 PM

Have we lost yet this year? 

#1-0
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 21, 2017, 03:07:34 PM
The fact that you think I'm some kind of die-hard defender of Bielema, and that this weak sauce is the best you have, says a lot.

If you aren't going scorched earth over a multitude of minor-but-fixable issues in the program right now, you're a Bielema apologist and are completely unreasonable.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: goporkyourself on August 21, 2017, 03:28:35 PM
Hurtt is looking strong in preseason.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 21, 2017, 04:09:17 PM
Bielema won a major conference 3 times - zero for Nutt

Bielema is the only coach in Arkansas history to win bowl games in back-to-back years, in his 2nd and 3rd seasons at the school - Nutt won two in an entire decade at Arkansas

Bielema has four 10-win seasons in 11 years at major programs - Nutt had 1 in 14 seasons

Bielema is currently the head coach at a major program - Nutt has been too radioactive for even small school work for 4 years

Bielema has won 65% of his games at major conference schools, Nutt 57%


I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you before it sinks in to that thickshit skull of yours - just because YOU are historically illiterate in sports, know nothing about college football, and have trouble understanding simple arguments, doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.  YOU are a stupid fucktard - that doesn't mean everyone else is a stupid fucktard, too,

Woopig doesn't exist to make you feel more comfortable with your lifetime of weak-wristed confusion.

Repeat after me.

Big 10.

One more time, remembering no Harbaugh, no Meyer.

Big 10.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogNrock on August 21, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
Hurtt is looking strong in preseason.

I'll need to see his one-legged squat videos to be fully on board.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 21, 2017, 04:16:55 PM
He made a claim, I directly rebutted it.

The fact that you think I'm some kind of die-hard defender of Bielema, and that this weak sauce is the best you have, says a lot.

I'd bet a significant amount of money you are some morbidly fat, mediocre little pussy who blames better men for his shortcomings.

You actually didn't directly rebut it.  It would be directly rebuttable if Bielema had a better record in the SEC or as an SEC coach.

I know you're not a Bielema apologist.  Still, the fact remains that as far as results go, Bielema hasn't shown anything at Arkansas that leads anyone to believe he can leave Arkansas with a better coaching record than Nutt had here.  I hope he does.  It's sad, but we're all longing for the results Nutt gave us.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 21, 2017, 04:19:52 PM
Repeat after me.

Big 10.

One more time, remembering no Harbaugh, no Meyer.

Big 10.
So what you are saying is that the comparison isn't valid because the coaches were different when BB coached at Wisconsin, which is exactly what we are saying about Nutt's competition.  Do you not see that? You want to ignore that fact when comparing BB and Nutt's record at Arkansas. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 21, 2017, 04:29:32 PM
So what you are saying is that the comparison isn't valid because the coaches were different when BB coached at Wisconsin, which is exactly what we are saying about Nutt's competition.  Do you not see that? You want to ignore that fact when comparing BB and Nutt's record at Arkansas.

Well in his defense others are doing the same thing with the opposing argument.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 21, 2017, 04:40:46 PM
Good news.

https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-db-montaric-brown-arrived-campus-cleared-practice
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 21, 2017, 04:50:49 PM
Good news.

https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-db-montaric-brown-arrived-campus-cleared-practice

anything would motivate me to get out of a town that smells like bigfoots dick 24x7.

i know i know ashdowners, it smells like money...whatever.    it stinks like chit.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 21, 2017, 04:55:02 PM
Well in his defense others are doing the same thing with the opposing argument.
You either admit both or exclude both comparisons.  I don't think that its a comparison that can be made looking at the records only.  I readily admit that what BB went up against at Wisconsin was not the same level of competition that he is facing here today.  I don't know if I've seen anyone here try and make that argument.  Some people here say that the only thing that matters is the win/loss record, nothing else.  Yeah, that is what a coach is ultimately held to, but to try and compare the ability of two coaches based on record alone, ignoring all the other factors that play into those numbers is being intellectually dishonest or willfully ignorant.  I don't think that BB and Nutt are comparable as coaches and men,  but we can't go back and see what BB could have done with DMAC, Jones and Hillis and we can't plop Nutt down in an SEC West that has Saban rolling, Gus a "few plays away" from a NC, Mullen with Dak, Ole MIss buying top classes, etc.  At the end of the day BB will be fired if he can't cut the mustard but to say that he is Nutt 2.0 or worse isn't being realistic.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 21, 2017, 04:56:55 PM
It indeed smells like shit there
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 21, 2017, 04:59:09 PM
At the end of the day BB will be fired if he can't cut the mustard but to say that he is Nutt 2.0 or worse isn't being realistic.

It's simply a cheap comparison and a shitty way to evaluate how a modern football coach is running a P5 program.
He knows that, but he's a dumb troll.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 21, 2017, 05:03:08 PM
He made a claim, I directly rebutted it.

The fact that you think I'm some kind of die-hard defender of Bielema, and that this weak sauce is the best you have, says a lot.

I'd bet a significant amount of money you are some morbidly fat, mediocre little pussy who blames better men for his shortcomings.

5'11 and 185...the rest is a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 21, 2017, 05:25:41 PM
You either admit both or exclude both comparisons.  I don't think that its a comparison that can be made looking at the records only.  I readily admit that what BB went up against at Wisconsin was not the same level of competition that he is facing here today.  I don't know if I've seen anyone here try and make that argument.  Some people here say that the only thing that matters is the win/loss record, nothing else.  Yeah, that is what a coach is ultimately held to, but to try and compare the ability of two coaches based on record alone, ignoring all the other factors that play into those numbers is being intellectually dishonest or willfully ignorant.  I don't think that BB and Nutt are comparable as coaches and men,  but we can't go back and see what BB could have done with DMAC, Jones and Hillis and we can't plop Nutt down in an SEC West that has Saban rolling, Gus a "few plays away" from a NC, Mullen with Dak, Ole MIss buying top classes, etc.  At the end of the day BB will be fired if he can't cut the mustard but to say that he is Nutt 2.0 or worse isn't being realistic.

Everything is a bunch of jibberish.

What it comes down to is some people went waaaay overboard after Bert's hire.  Those people have not relented because they don't want to "look stupid on the internet" as if that means anything.  (I do that every day).  That's why you have comments like "I don't care if he does get fired or what his record ends up being, that doesn't mean he's Nutt 2.0".

We have what we have.  An average coach who won at a program that was handed to him on a silver platter, and where everyone else has won.  He wins some, loses just as many. 

But the games like '15 OM and LSU?  That's what leads me to believe we can win any game we play, which is why I'll be right there again cheering for us game after game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 21, 2017, 05:46:43 PM
Wow.

I encourage anyone to go back and read those threads.

There were a handful of people saying, "I think this is a pretty good hire" while everyone else was going apeshit about how they didn't like it.

AP accused those people of leading some groupthink when they were able to coherently articulate to folks why it was a pretty good hire at the time.
Those reasons are still 100% true, whether Bielema is ultimately successful here, or not.

The big argument back then was that we couldn't beat Alabama and LSU "at their own game." I'd say we've proven that completely wrong with respect to LSU.
Alabama is a different animal, but I don't think that dragon seems as daunting to slay now as it did 4 years ago... but maybe that's just me. I'd say that whole theory is still plausible, but it certainly hasn't proven false yet.  We've generally competed well against the successful programs, lately. Late-season pants-shitting in 2016 aside... but it's all moral victory talk until we're able to really put together a run like we saw down the stretch in 2015, for a whole season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 21, 2017, 05:49:07 PM
I'm not a huge BB homer.   I simply think he's a better coach than Nutt and think the Nutt 2.0 statements don't take everything into consideration.  I honestly wouldn't be upset if he were fired after this season.  I don't have an agenda based in anger over Petrino's firing or the fact that Gus wasn't considered.  I think a lot of people do, however. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 21, 2017, 05:53:36 PM
What it comes down to is some people went waaaay overboard after Bert's hire.  Those people have not relented because they don't want to "look stupid on the internet" as if that means anything.  (I do that every day).
If you really believe this is the mentality of people who call you on your bullshit, you really need to ban yourself for at least a week.  Most of the posters on here don't take Woopig THAT seriously.  Or more succinctly...
I don't know how many times this has to be explained to you before it sinks in to that thickshit skull of yours - just because YOU are historically illiterate in sports, know nothing about college football, and have trouble understanding simple arguments, doesn't mean everyone else is the same way.  YOU are a stupid fucktard - that doesn't mean everyone else is a stupid fucktard, too.



Still, the fact remains that as far as results go, Bielema hasn't shown anything at Arkansas that leads anyone to believe he can leave Arkansas with a better coaching record than Nutt had here.
No, he has not.  No one would guarantee that Bert won't fall on his face, and soon possibly.  Most of us still give him a little bit more of a benefit of the doubt.  Simply that. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 21, 2017, 06:05:00 PM
Good news.

https://www.seccountry.com/arkansas/arkansas-db-montaric-brown-arrived-campus-cleared-practice

  :thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: gibraltar on August 21, 2017, 06:13:42 PM
You either admit both or exclude both comparisons.  I don't think that its a comparison that can be made looking at the records only.  I readily admit that what BB went up against at Wisconsin was not the same level of competition that he is facing here today.  I don't know if I've seen anyone here try and make that argument.  Some people here say that the only thing that matters is the win/loss record, nothing else.  Yeah, that is what a coach is ultimately held to, but to try and compare the ability of two coaches based on record alone, ignoring all the other factors that play into those numbers is being intellectually dishonest or willfully ignorant.  I don't think that BB and Nutt are comparable as coaches and men,  but we can't go back and see what BB could have done with DMAC, Jones and Hillis and we can't plop Nutt down in an SEC West that has Saban rolling, Gus a "few plays away" from a NC, Mullen with Dak, Ole MIss buying top classes, etc.  At the end of the day BB will be fired if he can't cut the mustard but to say that he is Nutt 2.0 or worse isn't being realistic.
Anyone wanting to be honest in the discussion would agree with this.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 21, 2017, 07:36:56 PM
TAMU and to some extent Missouri.  Lose to them again and me and a large portion of the fan base will be for firing him.  You simply can not lose those games as often as we have under BB.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 21, 2017, 07:44:46 PM
Everyone likes to say we just catch A&M at the wrong time, but it's really just a bad matchup for us. They've generally had their way with us when their WR's don't drop eleventy billion passes. Bret's certainly had long enough to figure out how to beat them by this point.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 21, 2017, 07:56:06 PM
really worked out for us long term, getting rid of a proven coach who had to rebuild from shit with his best squad ready to go.   in favor of new blood and love for the helmet.

luckily, we as a people learn from our history.  We won't make that same mistake again.

Rhett Lashlee is not walking through that door.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 21, 2017, 09:03:22 PM

There were a handful of people saying, "I think this is a pretty good hire" while everyone else was going apeshit about how they didn't like it.


I think I've said both, just in the opposite order.  And flip-flopped a few times.  I still have no clue about the bastard.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 22, 2017, 09:10:37 AM

There were a handful of people saying, "I think this is a pretty good hire" while everyone else was going apeshit about how they didn't like it.

I was very supportive of the hire.  I thought he was an excellent coach and we would be getting the type of Wisconsin team he had when he had Russell Wilson.  Now it appears that was more of a Cam Newton situation and that Bielema is not near the coach I thought he was.  I still think he's a pretty decent coach but nowhere near elite.  At Arkansas he's going to be a 6 to 8 regular season wins coach.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 22, 2017, 09:12:36 AM
I'm not a huge BB homer.   I simply think he's a better coach than Nutt and think the Nutt 2.0 statements don't take everything into consideration.  I honestly wouldn't be upset if he were fired after this season.  I don't have an agenda based in anger over Petrino's firing or the fact that Gus wasn't considered.  I think a lot of people do, however.

He's an infinitely better coach than Houston Nutt.  Admittedly that's a pretty low hurdle to clear.   
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 09:27:04 AM
More like Houston Nutt every day.  He pronounced the team this year as "special" at the Little Rich Touchdown Club yesterday.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 22, 2017, 09:34:18 AM
More like Houston Nutt every day.  He pronounced the team this year as "special" at the Little Rich Touchdown Club yesterday.

The only thing any of your posts provide us is a good look inside the mind of a moron.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: jethro on August 22, 2017, 09:38:57 AM
More like Houston Nutt every day.  He pronounced the team this year as "special" at the Little Rich Touchdown Club yesterday.

Crap, if I have to delete words from my vocabulary every time a fool uses those words.  I am going to be a mute, illiterate old man in my retirement years.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 09:39:31 AM
The only thing any of your posts provide us is a good look inside the mind of a moron.

Oh, just enjoy this fine Christian man while we are lucky enough to have him at Arkansas.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 22, 2017, 09:59:11 AM
Oh, just enjoy this fine Christian man while we are lucky enough to have him at Arkansas.
It's limp dick fuckfaces like you that take the enjoyment out of the pre-season for the rest of us.  You act as if divine providence has declared the program dead on arrival as long as Bert is the coach.  Talent will carry even shitty coaches a long way.  Gene Chizik has a national championship. Even Nutt won 10 games at one point.  We have some talent on campus this season.  Regardless of your hatred for Bert, maybe just shut the fuck up and let the rest of the reasonable adults enjoy the beginning of the best fucking time of year.  Football is  9 days away.  We may shit the bead.  We may win 8.  We could do better.  But how's about you stop shotgun douching and let us enjoy the excitement a little eh? 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 22, 2017, 10:05:40 AM
It's limp dick fuckfaces like you that take the enjoyment out of the pre-season for the rest of us.  You act as if divine providence has declared the program dead on arrival as long as Bert is the coach.  Talent will carry even shitty coaches a long way.  Gene Chizik has a national championship. Even Nutt won 10 games at one point.  We have some talent on campus this season.  Regardless of your hatred for Bert, maybe just shut the fuck up and let the rest of the reasonable adults enjoy the beginning of the best fucking time of year.  Football is  9 days away.  We may shit the bead.  We may win 8.  We could do better.  But how's about you stop shotgun douching and let us enjoy the excitement a little eh?
:thumbup:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 22, 2017, 10:15:19 AM
It's limp dick fuckfaces like you that take the enjoyment out of the pre-season for the rest of us.  You act as if divine providence has declared the program dead on arrival as long as Bert is the coach.  Talent will carry even shitty coaches a long way.  Gene Chizik has a national championship. Even Nutt won 10 games at one point.  We have some talent on campus this season.  Regardless of your hatred for Bert, maybe just shut the fuck up and let the rest of the reasonable adults enjoy the beginning of the best fucking time of year.  Football is  9 days away.  We may shit the bead.  We may win 8.  We could do better.  But how's about you stop shotgun douching and let us enjoy the excitement a little eh?

C'mon man - we haven't won a single game all season!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 22, 2017, 10:31:57 AM
The only thing any of your posts provide us is a good look inside the mind of a moron.


 :simplejack:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 10:40:19 AM
It's limp dick fuckfaces like you that take the enjoyment out of the pre-season for the rest of us.  You act as if divine providence has declared the program dead on arrival as long as Bert is the coach.  Talent will carry even shitty coaches a long way.  Gene Chizik has a national championship. Even Nutt won 10 games at one point.  We have some talent on campus this season.  Regardless of your hatred for Bert, maybe just shut the fuck up and let the rest of the reasonable adults enjoy the beginning of the best fucking time of year.  Football is  9 days away.  We may shit the bead.  We may win 8.  We could do better.  But how's about you stop shotgun douching and let us enjoy the excitement a little eh?

That melt sure provided me with plenty of enjoyment.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 22, 2017, 10:48:13 AM
It's limp dick fuckfaces like you that take the enjoyment out of the pre-season for the rest of us.  You act as if divine providence has declared the program dead on arrival as long as Bert is the coach.  Talent will carry even shitty coaches a long way.  Gene Chizik has a national championship. Even Nutt won 10 games at one point.  We have some talent on campus this season.  Regardless of your hatred for Bert, maybe just shut the fuck up and let the rest of the reasonable adults enjoy the beginning of the best fucking time of year.  Football is  9 days away.  We may shit the bead.  We may win 8.  We could do better.  But how's about you stop shotgun douching and let us enjoy the excitement a little eh?
Funny that Chizik and Nutt won with Gus as OC. Just saying.

Sent while RMPL

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 22, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
More like Houston Nutt every day.  He pronounced the team this year as "special" at the Little Rich Touchdown Club yesterday.
Did he say that "blank" is the best group he has ever had?

If not, then I do not believe that we are that special.

Sent while RMPL

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: asshat on August 22, 2017, 10:51:06 AM
I think its funny they won with first round draft picks and either a Heisman Winner or shudda won a Heisman.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 22, 2017, 10:56:54 AM
I think its funny they won with first round draft picks and either a Heisman Winner or shudda won a Heisman.
Yes, that too.

Sent while RMPL

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 22, 2017, 10:59:11 AM
That melt sure provided me with plenty of enjoyment.
I'm sure it did.  The only thing that gets you harder than the idea of abject failure, is when you're trolling riles somebody up.  Most of us actually agree with the reasonable arguments that have been made against Bielema's coaching ability.  The difference between us and your lot is that we choose to hope for the best instead but mentally prepare for the worst as opposed to digging in on the Bert sux train so we can score internet points for being able to say "first".  A lot of people are pissed off about the lack of consistent success, but we're open to incremental improvement.  If you're only here to have shitty takes, and score internet points, you're wasting everyone's time.  Either stop sucking or shut the fuck up.     
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 11:18:57 AM
I'm sure it did.  The only thing that gets you harder than the idea of abject failure, is when you're trolling riles somebody up.  Most of us actually agree with the reasonable arguments that have been made against Bielema's coaching ability.  The difference between us and your lot is that we choose to hope for the best instead but mentally prepare for the worst as opposed to digging in on the Bert sux train so we can score internet points for being able to say "first".  A lot of people are pissed off about the lack of consistent success, but we're open to incremental improvement.  If you're only here to have shitty takes, and score internet points, you're wasting everyone's time.  Either stop sucking or shut the fuck up.   

You don't get it.  He sucks.  He has sucked from day one and we hitched our wagon to this buffoon.  Incremental improvement?  WTF?  Really?  And where does that lead?  You think we ar going to do a little better this year and improve on that next year when graduate half our O-line and are breaking in a new QB?

This is it.  This the year he was building to all along.  If you want hope, hope that he was right and that we win ten.  That might possibly happen.  But if your hope is that we win seven to nine and build something for the future, just shut it down now.  Because next year is going to be a step back no matter what we do this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 22, 2017, 11:23:50 AM
I was very supportive of the hire.  I thought he was an excellent coach and we would be getting the type of Wisconsin team he had when he had Russell Wilson.  Now it appears that was more of a Cam Newton situation and that Bielema is not near the coach I thought he was.  I still think he's a pretty decent coach but nowhere near elite.  At Arkansas he's going to be a 6 to 8 regular season wins coach.

This is pretty much where I am. Seems like a good guy and a decent recruiter but his on-field decisions are Nutt and Les Miles level.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 22, 2017, 11:29:30 AM
You don't get it.  He sucks.  He has sucked from day one and we hitched our wagon to this buffoon.  Incremental improvement?  WTF?  Really?  And where does that lead?  You think we ar going to do a little better this year and improve on that next year when graduate half our O-line and are breaking in a new QB?

This is it.  This the year he was building to all along.  If you want hope, hope that he was right and that we win ten.  That might possibly happen.  But if your hope is that we win seven to nine and build something for the future, just shut it down now.  Because next year is going to be a step back no matter what we do this year.

dependable coach with improvement every year on-field and off, wins not where they need to be but DWI and shoplifting arrests are.    part of our national brand.   a national brand that we've got to have if we even want to stay in the perpetual 5 spot in SEC-West.   

under achieved last year.    no ifs/ands/buts about it.   coordinator changed.   management still in place for continuity of operations.    i mean, we just lauded and buried a guy who's whole MO was that, and have bemoaned every coach (not named bobby) who didn't adopt that philosophy.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 22, 2017, 11:32:49 AM
BB is the Anti-Nutt.   He lets his coordinators do their jobs, even if its outside his "philosophy" and for the good of the team.   then he lets them go when a better option presents itself.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 11:35:08 AM
dependable coach with improvement every year on-field and off, wins not where they need to be but DWI and shoplifting arrests are.    part of our national brand.   a national brand that we've got to have if we even want to stay in the perpetual 5 spot in SEC-West.   

under achieved last year.    no ifs/ands/buts about it.   coordinator changed.   management still in place for continuity of operations.    i mean, we just lauded and buried a guy who's whole MO was that, and have bemoaned every coach (not named bobby) who didn't adopt that philosophy.

What national brand?  They just had the preseason Top 25 and not only were we not in it, we got ZERO votes.  Be honest.  If they had told you when we were looking for a coach that this would be the situation going into year five, not one single person in this board would have been in favor of hiring a coach like that.


Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 22, 2017, 11:41:41 AM
You don't get it.  He sucks.  He has sucked from day one and we hitched our wagon to this buffoon.  Incremental improvement?  WTF?  Really?  And where does that lead?  You think we ar going to do a little better this year and improve on that next year when graduate half our O-line and are breaking in a new QB?

This is it.  This the year he was building to all along.  If you want hope, hope that he was right and that we win ten.  That might possibly happen.  But if your hope is that we win seven to nine and build something for the future, just shut it down now.  Because next year is going to be a step back no matter what we do this year.
And once again you perfectly illustrate why YOU suck.  You scream Bert sux while in the same breath hedging your bets.  We MAY win 10 this year but woe is us next year.  Is it possible for you to live in the moment for more than 10 minutes and possibly enjoy that we're about to play football again.  We only get 13 of these games a year at best.  It'd be nice if those of us who enjoy the game and discussing it could do so without "yeah but Bert still sux" being brought up every 3 posts.  There are plenty of posters who agree with you that he sucks.  The difference between them and you is they contribute to the discussion, while reserving judgement on THIS SEASON until we play a game THIS SEASON.  They definitely aren't already douching up the board bitching about next season before we've even started this one.   So be rational. Bert's here.  At least through the end of the year.  If you want to run him down when we lose a game, I'm sure you'll have plenty of company, maybe even me, but constantly douching up every thread discussing the upcoming season (and future seasons FFS)  is petty, pointless, and contributes less than zero to the discussion and the board as a whole.  If you want to be a miserable cunt in perpetuity, drag your weak shit to SECRant or Lannytown.     
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: goporkyourself on August 22, 2017, 11:43:01 AM
You could use the ignore feature.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 11:44:44 AM
And once again you perfectly illustrate why YOU suck.  You scream Bert sux while in the same breath hedging your bets.  We MAY win 10 this year but woe is us next year.  Is it possible for you to live in the moment for more than 10 minutes and possibly enjoy that we're about to play football again.  We only get 13 of these games a year at best.  It'd be nice if those of us who enjoy the game and discussing it could do so without "yeah but Bert still sux" being brought up every 3 posts.  There are plenty of posters who agree with you that he sucks.  The difference between them and you is they contribute to the discussion, while reserving judgement on THIS SEASON until we play a game THIS SEASON.  They definitely aren't already douching up the board bitching about next season before we've even started this one.   So be rational. Bert's here.  At least through the end of the year.  If you want to run him down when we lose a game, I'm sure you'll have plenty of company, maybe even me, but constantly douching up every thread discussing the upcoming season (and future seasons FFS)  is petty, pointless, and contributes less than zero to the discussion and the board as a whole.  If you want to be a miserable cunt in perpetuity, drag your weak shit to SECRant or Lannytown.     

"May" as in that it is possible but in no way probable or realistic.

The only SECschools not to at least receive votes in the Preseason Top 25 are Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and the two Mississippi schools.  THAT is where Bert has brought us in five years.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 22, 2017, 11:45:51 AM
I've never ignored a user and don't plan on starting now.  When you start ignoring users the terrorists have won. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 22, 2017, 11:46:21 AM
What national brand?  They just had the preseason Top 25 and not only were we not in it, we got ZERO votes.  Be honest.  If they had told you when we were looking for a coach that this would be the situation going into year five, not one single person in this board would have been in favor of hiring a coach like that.

so the woopuzzy is your barometer for measured and sound thought?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 22, 2017, 11:49:16 AM
You could use the ignore feature.
It absolutely doesn't work for me.  I have 3 guys checked and I see their posts all the time.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 22, 2017, 11:49:40 AM
I'm one that thinks we'll be around 6-6 but I'll let it play out. I hope I'm wrong and we win 10 but I don't see it. Maybe that's a lot of last years ending being in the mix but it is what it is. What I struggle with is how many years of 6-8 wins can you take before making a change? Not gonna go all BMFP but he did show you can win 10+ in a tough SEC. The problem is there probably aren't many coaches that can do it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 22, 2017, 11:53:14 AM
I've never ignored a user and don't plan on starting now.  When you start ignoring users the terrorists have won.

Actually just the opposite. The "terrorists" crave attention and affirmation of their importance. You seem all too willing to encourage them, thus becoming their "enabler". You ignore them and eventually they get mad and move on.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 22, 2017, 11:55:42 AM
"May" as in that it is possible but in no way probable or realistic.

The only SECschools not to at least receive votes in the Preseason Top 25 are Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and the two Mississippi schools.  THAT is where Bert has brought us in five years.
Ok champ.  Keep hedging.  If preseason polls were an indicator of where a team finished, then Notre Dame and Texas would be in the running for the CFP every year.  Teams often start unranked and finish in the top 10 by season's end.  The only thing the preseason poll dictates is an easier road to the CFP which according to you we have no reason to care about.  I guess if we reel off 11 straight wins and blow through the SEC you can bitch about Bert not having us better positioned in the preseason polls, but until then why don't we let them play a game or two old sport.  I'm done.  Wear yourself out.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HerbertHog on August 22, 2017, 12:03:01 PM
You don't get it.  He sucks.  He has sucked from day one and we hitched our wagon to this buffoon.  Incremental improvement?  WTF?  Really?  And where does that lead?  You think we ar going to do a little better this year and improve on that next year when graduate half our O-line and are breaking in a new QB?

This is it.  This the year he was building to all along.  If you want hope, hope that he was right and that we win ten.  That might possibly happen.  But if your hope is that we win seven to nine and build something for the future, just shut it down now.  Because next year is going to be a step back no matter what we do this year.

i think the concern from the woopig faithful is that you've made your point, ad nauseam, such that your message boils down to: he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he's fat, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he's fat, he sucks...and so on and so forth.

at this point, can we have a mutual understanding that your position has been duly noted by all and you can now proceed to go fuck yourself? for god's sake, man, get a life.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: VegasHog on August 22, 2017, 12:04:52 PM
i think the concern from the woopig faithful is that you've made your point, ad nauseam, such that your message boils down to: he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he's fat, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he's fat, he sucks...and so on and so forth.

at this point, can we have a mutual understanding that your position has been duly noted by all and you can now proceed to go fuck yourself? for god's sake, man, get a life.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 12:09:53 PM
i think the concern from the woopig faithful is that you've made your point, ad nauseam, such that your message boils down to: he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he's fat, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he sucks, he's fat, he sucks...and so on and so forth.

at this point, can we have a mutual understanding that your position has been duly noted by all and you can now proceed to go fuck yourself? for god's sake, man, get a life.

Ah, yes, thanks for reminding me.  He gained at least 30 pounds in the off season.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 22, 2017, 12:16:11 PM
Repeat after me.

Big 10.

One more time, remembering no Harbaugh, no Meyer.

Big 10.


Is the SEC in Nutt's years comparable to the Big Ten in Bielema's?

I'd say the Big Ten before Harbough and Meyer is comparable to the SEC in Nutt's year's. Who had the better record? Nutt in the SEC or Bielema in the Big Ten?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 22, 2017, 12:46:51 PM
Is the SEC in Nutt's years comparable to the Big Ten in Bielema's?

I'd say the Big Ten before Harbough and Meyer is comparable to the SEC in Nutt's year's. Who had the better record? Nutt in the SEC or Bielema in the Big Ten?

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/11/6c/9a/116c9a1ba8ef45994c7819a2cd9ca635.jpg)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 22, 2017, 01:02:40 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/11/6c/9a/116c9a1ba8ef45994c7819a2cd9ca635.jpg)

 :maundoed:

I'm going to put this out there and will stick by it no matter what: we're going to win some games, we're going to lose some games, and we'll go to a bowl game.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 22, 2017, 01:16:12 PM
:maundoed:

I'm going to put this out there and will stick by it no matter what: we're going to win some games, we're going to lose some games, and we'll go to a bowl game.

Did someone say we're going to a bowl?

(http://www.setxdist.com/Houston_Dale_Nutt.jpg)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 22, 2017, 01:19:55 PM
You could use the ignore feature.

Outstanding.  And I have no idea why I didn't think of this before.

I've never ignored a user and don't plan on starting now.  When you start ignoring users the terrorists have won. 

Well, the terrorists won. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 22, 2017, 01:21:02 PM
Actually just the opposite. The "terrorists" crave attention and affirmation of their importance. You seem all too willing to encourage them, thus becoming their "enabler". You ignore them and eventually they get mad and move on.
How about blah blahed?  Nobody been blah blahed in years. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 22, 2017, 01:23:11 PM
How about blah blahed?  Nobody been blah blahed in years.

Nah, we just need a new dictionary word to replace "fat" with "awesome".
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 22, 2017, 01:24:22 PM
You don't get it.  He sucks.  He has sucked from day one and we hitched our wagon to this buffoon.  Incremental improvement?  WTF?  Really?  And where does that lead?  You think we ar going to do a little better this year and improve on that next year when graduate half our O-line and are breaking in a new QB?

This is it.  This the year he was building to all along.  If you want hope, hope that he was right and that we win ten.  That might possibly happen.  But if your hope is that we win seven to nine and build something for the future, just shut it down now.  Because next year is going to be a step back no matter what we do this year.
We have one senior starting and 2 on the 2 deep. Idiot.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Count Porkula on August 22, 2017, 01:28:18 PM
Nah, we just need a new dictionary word to replace "fat" with "awesome".

i see this in the mirror everyday.   :dude1:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: goporkyourself on August 22, 2017, 01:38:39 PM
Outstanding.  And I have no idea why I didn't think of this before.


shit works. almost everyone on my ignore list is a poster that runn-of'd.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 22, 2017, 01:55:08 PM
shit works. almost everyone on my ignore list is a poster that runn-of'd.

I've only got 3 and they're 3 on your list.  :D
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Nolapigz on August 22, 2017, 03:01:56 PM
shit works. almost everyone on my ignore list is a poster that runn-of'd.
My ignore list almost mirrors yours.  Woopig became a much happier place once I ignored TomDavid.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 22, 2017, 03:05:54 PM
"May" as in that it is possible but in no way probable or realistic.

The only SECschools not to at least receive votes in the Preseason Top 25 are Arkansas, Vanderbilt, and the two Mississippi schools.  THAT is where Bert has brought us in five years.

I've just got to know.  First of all, the only time I see you machine gun post is after a loss, which I admit, you probably posted a lot last season, and in situations where you must troll.

My bet is that you are either a member of the Nutt family, or friends with one of the brothers, and you  have to work in a funeral home or nursing home.  Your outlook on things seems to be like an old acquaintance who would make you think Winnie the Pooh's buddy Eeyore had become human.  I would say, "(Friend") it is a beautiful day," to which he would respond, "Yeah, but look at that cloud over there.  It will probably rain." 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 22, 2017, 03:11:10 PM
I've just got to know.  First of all, the only time I see you machine gun post is after a loss, which I admit, you probably posted a lot last season, and in situations where you must troll.

My bet is that you are either a member of the Nutt family, or friends with one of the brothers, and you  have to work in a funeral home or nursing home.  Your outlook on things seems to be like an old acquaintance who would make you think Winnie the Pooh's buddy Eeyore had become human.  I would say, "(Friend") it is a beautiful day," to which he would respond, "Yeah, but look at that cloud over there.  It will probably rain." 
Nail meet hammer.  Frickin' Eeyore it is. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 22, 2017, 03:58:26 PM
I've just got to know.  First of all, the only time I see you machine gun post is after a loss, which I admit, you probably posted a lot last season, and in situations where you must troll.

My bet is that you are either a member of the Nutt family, or friends with one of the brothers, and you  have to work in a funeral home or nursing home.  Your outlook on things seems to be like an old acquaintance who would make you think Winnie the Pooh's buddy Eeyore had become human.  I would say, "(Friend") it is a beautiful day," to which he would respond, "Yeah, but look at that cloud over there.  It will probably rain."

Hello Mr. Sunshine King..
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 22, 2017, 04:34:54 PM
What I struggle with is how many years of 6-8 wins can you take before making a change?

As long as the stadium is mostly full and the donations remain at a high level they can go that way indefinitely. 

This board is not a true representation of the majority of Razorback fans, I think the biggest majority are completely satisfied as long as we do well enough to go to a bowl.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 22, 2017, 04:45:42 PM
biggest majority are completely satisfied as long as we do well enough to go to a bowl.

Are there normally more than one majority?   So like there's a biggest majority, a mediumest majority, and maybe a smallest majority?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 22, 2017, 05:02:04 PM
Yeah, the fat camp seem to be pretty satisfied.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 22, 2017, 05:11:08 PM
I am really trying to have realistic expectations. Since joining the SEC, here is the breakdown of # SECCG appearances by SECW teams:

Alabama - 11
LSU - 5
Auburn - 5
Arkansas - 3
Miss St - 1

Between a) the fact that Hootie got us to all 3 of our appearances and b) forgetting all the drama, Petrino proved we can compete at a high level, I don't think it's unrealistic for us to expect to be better than a perennial 7-8 win team. I do think it's unrealistic to expect to be an Alabama-type team as it currently exists. Apparently until Saban decides to retire everyone else is playing for 2nd place anyway. But we have top-notch facilities and are paying competitive coaching salaries.

Unless we shit the bed this year, I doubt Bielema's going anywhere. But if we end up with 7-8 wins, which seems to be the consensus, I think Bielema should be on the hot seat next year. I mean, this is his 5th year and Dale got us to the SECCG in his 5th year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 22, 2017, 05:19:03 PM

Unless we shit the bed this year, I doubt Bielema's going anywhere. But if we end up with 7-8 wins, which seems to be the consensus, I think Bielema should be on the hot seat next year. I mean, this is his 5th year and Dale got us to the SECCG in his 5th year.

I mean, Dale is the better coach  ;D
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 22, 2017, 05:20:10 PM
I've just got to know.  First of all, the only time I see you machine gun post is after a loss, which I admit, you probably posted a lot last season, and in situations where you must troll.

My bet is that you are either a member of the Nutt family, or friends with one of the brothers, and you  have to work in a funeral home or nursing home.  Your outlook on things seems to be like an old acquaintance who would make you think Winnie the Pooh's buddy Eeyore had become human.  I would say, "(Friend") it is a beautiful day," to which he would respond, "Yeah, but look at that cloud over there.  It will probably rain."

You just think that I hate Bielema.   I got banned from Hogville for calling Nutt a cocksucker during the 2003 season. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 22, 2017, 05:24:45 PM
You just think that I hate Bielema.   I got banned from Hogville for calling Nutt a cocksucker during the 2003 season.


Well, now that we know that then just forget everything he and everyone else has been pointing out.  :stache:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 22, 2017, 05:32:04 PM
I am really trying to have realistic expectations. Since joining the SEC, here is the breakdown of # SECCG appearances by SECW teams:

Alabama - 11
LSU - 5
Auburn - 5
Arkansas - 3
Miss St - 1

Between a) the fact that Hootie got us to all 3 of our appearances and b) forgetting all the drama, Petrino proved we can compete at a high level, I don't think it's unrealistic for us to expect to be better than a perennial 7-8 win team. I do think it's unrealistic to expect to be an Alabama-type team as it currently exists. Apparently until Saban decides to retire everyone else is playing for 2nd place anyway. But we have top-notch facilities and are paying competitive coaching salaries.

Unless we shit the bed this year, I doubt Bielema's going anywhere. But if we end up with 7-8 wins, which seems to be the consensus, I think Bielema should be on the hot seat next year. I mean, this is his 5th year and Dale got us to the SECCG in his 5th year.
a) Ford got us to our first one.

b) Bielema is not going anywhere, whether he shits the bed or stays mediocre like last year.

Sent while RMPL
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: tboned on August 22, 2017, 06:23:04 PM
TAMU and to some extent Missouri.  Lose to them again and me and a large portion of the fan base will be for firing him.  You simply can not lose those games as often as we have under BB.

TAMU and to some extent Missouri.  Lose to them again and me and a large portion of the fan base will be for firing him.  You simply can not lose those games as often as we have under BB.

Just like we kept losing to smu, and ford never got to coach his best team because of it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 22, 2017, 07:04:07 PM
a) Ford got us to our first one.

b) Bielema is not going anywhere, whether he shits the bed or stays mediocre like last year.

Sent while RMPL

a) They say the memory's the first thing to go.

b) I doubt we'll shit the bed this year, I was just thinking back to year 2 of Dale's 2 year pass. IIRC, until his famous I called that play brutha win over Ole Miss, I think his job was in jeopardy despite the pass. I wouldn't be surprised if JFB hadn't already been talking to him about it, given his meltdown over that win.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on August 22, 2017, 08:13:25 PM
I was very supportive of the hire.  I thought he was an excellent coach and we would be getting the type of Wisconsin team he had when he had Russell Wilson.  Now it appears that was more of a Cam Newton situation and that Bielema is not near the coach I thought he was.  I still think he's a pretty decent coach but nowhere near elite.  At Arkansas he's going to be a 6 to 8 regular season wins coach.
 

I thought it was a little odd that he would leave Whisky for this job, since he had no ties to the South, but I thought we were getting a very good coach. I don't see the physicality and toughness that it takes to play this style and win. Unfortunately, I think this will sum up the Bert era...

(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/bret-bielema-slips.gif) 

Lots of promise but poor execution.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Doc on August 22, 2017, 08:35:54 PM
Y'all got yourselves one hell of a not so gloom and doom thread.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 22, 2017, 08:48:00 PM
Y'all got yourselves one hell of a not so gloom and doom thread.

Right now we've got a clean slate. I think most reasonable people, including myself, are taking a wait and see how it plays out position. I would love for us to have a great year. I won't be surprised if we don't' have a great year.

And therein lies the dilemma. I don't think anyone outside the program really knows what to expect, especially given the way last year played out.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 22, 2017, 10:00:50 PM
https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/8/17/16122862/depth-chart-update-two-weeks-until-gameday

Next year's team, particularly on defense, is going to be loaded with jrs and srs.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 22, 2017, 10:36:35 PM
enjoy....

http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/20369846/ranking-happiness-every-college-football-fan-base-2017
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 22, 2017, 11:12:25 PM
 

I thought it was a little odd that he would leave Whisky for this job, since he had no ties to the South, but I thought we were getting a very good coach. I don't see the physicality and toughness that it takes to play this style and win. Unfortunately, I think this will sum up the Bert era...

(https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/bret-bielema-slips.gif) 

Lots of promise but poor execution.

Someone needs to include 3 more seconds on the front side of that video with his smack talk about Saban when he got here, then end with that.



As long as the stadium is mostly full and the donations remain at a high level they can go that way indefinitely. 

This board is not a true representation of the majority of Razorback fans, I think the biggest majority are completely satisfied as long as we do well enough to go to a bowl.

I don't think the biggest majority is completely satisfied with that, but since there are more than two options, certainly a plurality.  And that's what Long cares for.  I'd bet anyone any amount (that I could afford right now) that Long is gone before Bielema.  Long hides it better, but he's the same as Nutt and Bielema.  No way he fires Bret before he leaves us with his big contract.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: NewYorkerPorker on August 23, 2017, 03:24:20 AM
https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/8/17/16122862/depth-chart-update-two-weeks-until-gameday

Next year's team, particularly on defense, is going to be loaded with jrs and srs.

"The three starters look great on paper. Agim has been a monster in practice by all accounts, Smith has been consistent, and Bijhon still has a great ass."

I'm not sure that's a valid reason for Bijhon to be starting.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 23, 2017, 06:13:21 AM
I don't think anyone outside the program really knows what to expect, especially given the way last year played out.

You were close.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hatchclan on August 23, 2017, 06:26:02 AM
Right now we've got a clean slate. I think most reasonable people, including myself, are taking a wait and see how it plays out position. I would love for us to have a great year. I won't be surprised if we don't' have a great year.

And therein lies the dilemma. I don't think anyone outside the program really knows what to expect, especially given the way last year played out.
Exactly  :beer:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TC on August 23, 2017, 07:24:10 AM
https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/8/17/16122862/depth-chart-update-two-weeks-until-gameday

Next year's team, particularly on defense, is going to be loaded with jrs and srs.

Nice.  It's August and we've already started, 'just wait till next year.'
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 23, 2017, 08:29:21 AM
Nice.  It's August and we've already started, 'just wait till next year.'
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 23, 2017, 08:31:24 AM
Nice.  It's August and we've already started, 'just wait till next year.'

That wasn't my point; it was just an observation.

Don't be silly, we can easily suck next year too.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 23, 2017, 08:59:55 AM
https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/8/17/16122862/depth-chart-update-two-weeks-until-gameday

Next year's team, particularly on defense, is going to be loaded with jrs and srs.
Already breaking out the "wait until next year" banter?

When does basketb...err...baseball season start?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 23, 2017, 09:07:53 AM
Already breaking out the "wait until next year" banter?

When does basketb...err...baseball season start?

Just want to warn you, football is about to go 10-2 in the regular season (2nd, SECW), basketball is about to go 24-6 in the regular season (2nd, SEC) , and baseball is about to go 45-10 in the regular season (1st, SEC overall).  Gonna be a banner year....a banner year!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 23, 2017, 09:11:10 AM
Already breaking out the "wait until next year" banter?

When does basketb...err...baseball season start?
Fuck that. When does hockey start. :tiw:

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 23, 2017, 09:21:54 AM
"The three starters look great on paper. Agim has been a monster in practice by all accounts, Smith has been consistent, and Bijhon still has a great ass."

I'm not sure that's a valid reason for Bijhon to be starting.

If there's a compliment easy hand out to Bielema, it's that he knows a great ass when he sees one.



I know, violation, but my wife deleted Jen from my phone.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 23, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
If there's a compliment easy hand out to Bielema, it's that he knows a great ass when he sees one.



I know, violation, but my wife deleted Jen from my phone.
How about a picture of your wif.. uhh, never mind.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 23, 2017, 09:31:19 AM
Since this is the "positive" thread about  the Hogs  :maundoed:   ???  let me waste my time and encourage you, if the Hogs just pee the bed, jump right in and "I told you so" us until the internet blows up.  If the Hogs have a very good year, please feel free to jump on the bandwagon, but especially if you fit into the latter, feel very free to keep all the swinging screen doors busy. 

It would honestly be my hope that if the Hogs have a very good season, you would just choose another team to bitch about.  It's already been pointed out that a $15 million + buyout means Coach B is here to stay for a little bit--yes, much longer than some of you want.  I griped about HDN as coach, but I'm not sure I ever got to the miserable level some of you "fans" are with him, and I really disliked the man, and laughed at his "coaching" ability.  I am disappointed in Coach B's record.  I won't point out some of the most obvious reasons for his lack of success, because they are very well documented.  I love the Hogs, and Coach B seems to be the man that will get us where I want us to be.  It's just taken more patience to return from the dumpster fire we were tossed into by many unfortunate events.

Have a nice day.  WPS.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TravelHog on August 23, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
I promise you, I don't want to tell anyone I told you so, nor will I if we end up 7-5, 6-6 or worse. I'll gladly admit I was wrong if we end up 8-4 or better. I really hope I am.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: rzrbkfan69 on August 23, 2017, 09:58:32 AM
We have one senior starting and 2 on the 2 deep. Idiot.

Simple facts would interfere with his miserable ranting.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 23, 2017, 10:22:55 AM
Again, the first thing I think a lot of you folks that seem to be miserable are lacking is perspective. 

We aren't peers with Auburn or LSU.  We're just not, use any metric you want to try and use but we're still not.  We're operating from the same floor as South Carolina and Mississippi.  It takes some time to build that shit up and the first place is consistency, stability and improving recruiting.  Under Bielema, we haven't been a laughing stock of a soap opera like we were under Nutt (who Bielema is infinitely better than as a coach, human and steward) and then through the Petrino drama.   Instead, most of the press is generally positive.   He isn't perfect by any stretch and says dumb things, but he has built in cred in spades that Nutt never, ever had. 

Bielema isn't going anywhere right now and we probably need to give this a good, long ride, whether you like it or not.  We aren't Alabubba and we aren't Ohio State and I don't really care if we ever are, to be honest. 

I'll be tailgating in a couple of weeks and having a damn good time either way. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 23, 2017, 10:28:01 AM
Again, the first thing I think a lot of you folks that seem to be miserable are lacking is perspective. 

We aren't peers with Auburn or LSU.  We're just not, use any metric you want to try and use but we're still not.  We're operating from the same floor as South Carolina and Mississippi.  It takes some time to build that shit up and the first place is consistency, stability and improving recruiting.  Under Bielema, we haven't been a laughing stock of a soap opera like we were under Nutt (who Bielema is infinitely better than as a coach, human and steward) and then through the Petrino drama.   Instead, most of the press is generally positive.   He isn't perfect by any stretch and says dumb things, but he has built in cred in spades that Nutt never, ever had. 

Bielema isn't going anywhere right now and we probably need to give this a good, long ride, whether you like it or not.  We aren't Alabubba and we aren't Ohio State and I don't really care if we ever are, to be honest. 

I'll be tailgating in a couple of weeks and having a damn good time either way.
He would like a word. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 23, 2017, 10:29:17 AM
Are there normally more than one majority?   So like there's a biggest majority, a mediumest majority, and maybe a smallest majority?

51% smallest majority
70% mediumest majority
99% biggest majority

 8-)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TC on August 23, 2017, 10:32:49 AM
That wasn't my point; it was just an observation.

Don't be silly, we can easily suck next year too.

I shoulda added an afro, or the dude, for my sarcasm.

In all seriousness, just wait until the year after next.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 23, 2017, 10:37:53 AM
He would like a word.
I actually called this asswipe's show one time driving through Kansas when he was yapping about Nutt and our drama.  He was combative as fuck with me and just wouldn't listen to anything. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 23, 2017, 10:42:44 AM
I actually called this asswipe's show one time driving through Kansas when he was yapping about Nutt and our drama.  He was combative as fuck with me and just wouldn't listen to anything.

I used to like Tim Brando but he went completely off the rails with his defense of the Right Reverend Nutt.  He's the perfect example of a sports personality buying into a coach because the coach with sit and shoot the shit with him and kiss his ass.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 23, 2017, 10:53:22 AM
Again, the first thing I think a lot of you folks that seem to be miserable are lacking is perspective. 

We aren't peers with Auburn or LSU.  We're just not, use any metric you want to try and use but we're still not.  We're operating from the same floor as South Carolina and Mississippi.  It takes some time to build that shit up and the first place is consistency, stability and improving recruiting.  Under Bielema, we haven't been a laughing stock of a soap opera like we were under Nutt (who Bielema is infinitely better than as a coach, human and steward) and then through the Petrino drama.   Instead, most of the press is generally positive.   He isn't perfect by any stretch and says dumb things, but he has built in cred in spades that Nutt never, ever had. 

Bielema isn't going anywhere right now and we probably need to give this a good, long ride, whether you like it or not.  We aren't Alabubba and we aren't Ohio State and I don't really care if we ever are, to be honest. 

I'll be tailgating in a couple of weeks and having a damn good time either way. 
This is a well reasoned post, that accurately evaluates the program for what it is, while conceding the current coach may have flaws, while remaining positive.  Get ready to ignore a flurry of replies calling you a fat enabler and accusing you of liking Pepsi. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: USAFHawg on August 23, 2017, 11:07:46 AM
Since this is the "positive" thread about  the Hogs  :maundoed:   ???  let me waste my time and encourage you, if the Hogs just pee the bed, jump right in and "I told you so" us until the internet blows up.  If the Hogs have a very good year, please feel free to jump on the bandwagon, but especially if you fit into the latter, feel very free to keep all the swinging screen doors busy. 

It would honestly be my hope that if the Hogs have a very good season, you would just choose another team to bitch about.  It's already been pointed out that a $15 million + buyout means Coach B is here to stay for a little bit--yes, much longer than some of you want.  I griped about HDN as coach, but I'm not sure I ever got to the miserable level some of you "fans" are with him, and I really disliked the man, and laughed at his "coaching" ability.  I am disappointed in Coach B's record.  I won't point out some of the most obvious reasons for his lack of success, because they are very well documented.  I love the Hogs, and Coach B seems to be the man that will get us where I want us to be.  It's just taken more patience to return from the dumpster fire we were tossed into by many unfortunate events.

Have a nice day.  WPS.

This gives me a wonderful idea -

Ok Whyte Boar - Loser Leaves Town Bet

6 wins or less - I never come back to WooPig
7 wins or more - You never come back to WooPig

You in?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 23, 2017, 11:19:11 AM
This gives me a wonderful idea -

Ok Whyte Boar - Loser Leaves Town Bet

6 wins or less - I never come back to WooPig
7 wins or more - You never come back to WooPig

You in?
Holy shit!  Never bet on 18 yr olds and fat people.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 23, 2017, 11:21:14 AM
Texas Strap Match FTW.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on August 23, 2017, 11:21:26 AM
Just want to warn you, football is about to go 10-2 in the regular season (2nd, SECW), basketball is about to go 24-6 in the regular season (2nd, SEC) , and baseball is about to go 45-10 in the regular season (1st, SEC overall).  Gonna be a banner year....a banner year!

awe son, drugs'll ruin ya
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 23, 2017, 11:27:07 AM
As long as the stadium is mostly full and the donations remain at a high level they can go that way indefinitely. 

This board is not a true representation of the majority of Razorback fans, I think the biggest majority are completely satisfied as long as we do well enough to go to a bowl.

I think Woopig is way more positive than people I talk to that are season ticket holders and fans in general that do not post on message boards.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 23, 2017, 11:31:05 AM
Again, the first thing I think a lot of you folks that seem to be miserable are lacking is perspective. 

We aren't peers with Auburn or LSU.  We're just not, use any metric you want to try and use but we're still not.  We're operating from the same floor as South Carolina and Mississippi.  It takes some time to build that shit up and the first place is consistency, stability and improving recruiting.  Under Bielema, we haven't been a laughing stock of a soap opera like we were under Nutt (who Bielema is infinitely better than as a coach, human and steward) and then through the Petrino drama.   Instead, most of the press is generally positive.   He isn't perfect by any stretch and says dumb things, but he has built in cred in spades that Nutt never, ever had. 

Bielema isn't going anywhere right now and we probably need to give this a good, long ride, whether you like it or not.  We aren't Alabubba and we aren't Ohio State and I don't really care if we ever are, to be honest. 

I'll be tailgating in a couple of weeks and having a damn good time either way.

HDN was SEC coach of the year twice.  :wha?: So, though we might know him as the POS he is, he's got some skins on the wall.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 23, 2017, 12:39:41 PM
I won't be mad if we win 8. If we win 8 and Long gives him a 2 year extension on his buyout, I'll be pissed.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 23, 2017, 12:43:25 PM
I just want the Fat ass to win and not lose embarrassingly in some games like he has done since he got here!

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 23, 2017, 01:08:05 PM
I just want the Fat ass to win and not lose embarrassingly in some games like he has done since he got here!

Can you name one coach who has never had an embarrassing loss or two?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 23, 2017, 01:09:02 PM
Can you name one coach who has never had an embarrassing loss or two?
Petrino, Saban

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 23, 2017, 01:12:39 PM
Petrino, Saban

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 23, 2017, 01:14:50 PM
not sure if serious
I do not recall either of them blowing second half leads in back to back games, do you?

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 23, 2017, 01:23:15 PM
Petrino, Saban

Petrino:

2008  Alabama 14–49   
2008  Texas    10–52   
2008  Florida  7–38 
2009  Alabama  7-35
2011  Alabama  14-38
2011  LSU    17-41
2014  Georgia  14-37
2016  Houston  10-36
2016  Kentucky  38-41
2016  LSU  9-29

Even the mighty Saban, who probably has the fewest in history, lost to ULM and lost a bowl game to Utah.




Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 23, 2017, 01:23:21 PM
I do not recall either of them blowing second half leads in back to back games, do you?

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Saban lost to NLU while at Bama.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 23, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
No need to stop there.  Bert has been blowing big leads at Arkansas all the way back to Rutgers.

That is why all this Lil Ol Arkisaw talk is ridiculous.  If Bert just wins 85% of the games in which he had a ten point lead in the second half during his tenure at Arkansas, this is an entirely different discussion.  For starters, we're probably looking at at least back to back and maybe the last three seasons at 9 wins or better and the discussion is whether we can make the move from top tier to elite teams and not if we can just escape mediocrity.

The problems we have are not ones of talent or even of scheme necessarily, they are systemic and consistent oaching letdowns that cause us time and again to lay eggs when we should be putting the hammer down.  Every year we've lost at least two games we actually had to try to lose.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on August 23, 2017, 01:31:08 PM
I do not recall either of them blowing second half leads in back to back games, do you?

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That's oddly specific.

So just blown games doesn't matter, it has to be blown second half games, and it has to be in back-to-back weeks.

So even though we were embarressed by Texas, Alabama and Florida in back to back to back weeks, it's okay because we were never in those games to begin with? And the LSU blowout after a 14-0 start doesn't matter, nor does the second half collapses against Kentucky in 2008 or Alabama in 2010 because those weren't in back to back weeks?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 23, 2017, 01:42:50 PM
Looking at this roster versus his second year here, I don't think we're more talented now. That's a problem.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: tboned on August 23, 2017, 03:00:44 PM
Can you name one coach who has never had an embarrassing loss or two?

I'm not near familiar enough with his wisky record. Did he have embarrassing losses there too?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on August 23, 2017, 03:44:44 PM
Petrino:

2008  Alabama 14–49   
2008  Texas    10–52   
2008  Florida  7–38 
2009  Alabama  7-35
2011  Alabama  14-38
2011  LSU    17-41
2014  Georgia  14-37
2016  Houston  10-36
2016  Kentucky  38-41
2016  LSU  9-29

Even the mighty Saban, who probably has the fewest in history, lost to ULM and lost a bowl game to Utah.
Throwing Petrino's first year at Arkansas is ridiculous. I guess I can throw Bielema's first year in as well and say he blew the Rutgers and LSU games.

It is Year five and Bert blowing games when winning should not happen. It should not have happened last year.

I am Razorback and call the Hogs with as much passion as any of you here.

I can't wait till the season starts and root for the hogs, but God damn, if I am tired Bert losing games in the fashion that he has. It is time to put up or shut up.


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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 23, 2017, 03:46:06 PM
How about a picture of your wif.. uhh, never mind.

Not as nice of an ass, but a much better rack.

I'm a boob guy anyways.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 23, 2017, 03:54:05 PM
Petrino:

2008  Alabama 14–49   
2008  Texas    10–52   
2008  Florida  7–38 

2009  Alabama  7-35
2011  Alabama  14-38
2011  LSU    17-41
2014  Georgia  14-37
2016  Houston  10-36
2016  Kentucky  38-41
2016  LSU  9-29

Even the mighty Saban, who probably has the fewest in history, lost to ULM and lost a bowl game to Utah.

This just shows if you take out the first year where we relied on Lucas Miller (seriously) to break receiving records, Petrino never had an embarrassing loss here.  2009 AL, maybe.  He also rebounded from that and his teams were never outclassed again here.  Definitely '11 AL or LSU were not embarrassing, to anyone that watched the games.

Saban same at AL, if you take out the ULM loss his first year.




Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 23, 2017, 04:14:04 PM
Petrino:

2008  Alabama 14–49   
2008  Texas    10–52   
2008  Florida  7–38 
2009  Alabama  7-35
2011  Alabama  14-38
2011  LSU    17-41
2014  Georgia  14-37
2016  Houston  10-36
2016  Kentucky  38-41
2016  LSU  9-29

Even the mighty Saban, who probably has the fewest in history, lost to ULM and lost a bowl game to Utah.

At arkansas you have his first year, which yeah, sure.

2009 against eventual national champ Alabama
2011 against eventual national champ Alabama and national runner up LSU.

Not sure I would call any of those 'embarrassing' losses.  We were simply outmatched and playing a ton of freshmen in 2008.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 23, 2017, 04:15:00 PM
I actually called this asswipe's show one time driving through Kansas when he was yapping about Nutt and our drama.  He was combative as fuck with me and just wouldn't listen to anything.
You didn't call him back after Nutt got shitcanned at OM? Or after he has gone years, YEARS, without a serious sniff?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 23, 2017, 06:28:28 PM


I'm a boob guy anyways.

Explains your infatuation with Nutt.  :stache:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: REDHEAD on August 23, 2017, 06:48:27 PM
Everybody sucks that didn't win on a Tuesday in February, eating a hotdog and masturbating with their left foot while balancing on top of an upturned snow cone.

Obviously.

Bielima couldn't do that. Fat fuck.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogwildpigcrazy on August 23, 2017, 07:46:02 PM
Explains your infatuation with Nutt.  :stache:
I pretty much stay out of the verbal sparring because I don't know any of y'all. But shit that was funny.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 23, 2017, 07:48:54 PM
This just shows if you take out the first year where we relied on Lucas Miller (seriously) to break receiving records, Petrino never had an embarrassing loss here.  2009 AL, maybe.  He also rebounded from that and his teams were never outclassed again here.  Definitely '11 AL or LSU were not embarrassing, to anyone that watched the games.

Saban same at AL, if you take out the ULM loss his first year.

Those 2011 games were both embarrassing, especially for what was at the time of the LSU loss the #3 team in the country.   We were outscored 41-3 after taking a good lead.  What do you call that if not embarrassing?

And I love how quick people toss aside Petrino's first year but not Bert's.

None of which is the point.  It was stated that Petrino has never had an embarrassing loss.  That's simply not the case. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 23, 2017, 07:54:21 PM
Explains your infatuation with Nutt.  :stache:
;D
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 23, 2017, 07:56:11 PM
I just started writing stuff and this below is what came out...

Thesis: The opposition for Houston Nutt was really more of a internet phenomena manifested by a leftist subversives.

His popularity in the state and in the national media is well documented. He, like BB was never dull...always good for a line. Always decent at ad lib material. Almost guaranteed to step off on his dick every now and then. I'm not so sure anyone that would have been in that role at that time would be viewed much differently because the proliferation of the internet changed the way fans interact and think about their favorite sports teams.

No doubt we now tend to know more about our favorite sports teams than maybe we care to know. At the time we were like dope heads that had to have that next hit. Had to have the information so we could take it to the internet. We literally gave some credibility to a guy that worked at the Bentonville Chili's because he was roommates with a guy in the film room. You don't get that kind of story just anywhere folks. As fans we latched onto a lot of flimsy information...the problem was most of it was true.

Nutt was essentially our first modern head football coach or at least the first to really have modern problems. As a program we weren't prepared for that information and misinformation over load. We weren't prepared for having to put up hefty bags because spies were filming practices or because fans were giving away too many details about practices. We weren't prepared for carefully crafting the control of information in the way we are today. You combine the talent gap that we had versus our betters and the fact that our own fans were broadcasting their techmo bowl playbook world wide and whammy.

Ultimately I think he had his moment as head coach and wasn't able to stay up with the times. When he arrived all you needed was 6 plays and be really good at running them. When he left all you needed was 600. Ok well I don't obviously know what the real number is but you get the point. It's not so much that he arrived in over his head...I think he coached here in a time when it was a significant change in major college football. The game prep and the money coming in demanded a level of professionalism that wasn't previously merited. We weren't the New York Jets for crying out loud.

Now the problems are essentially the same but much worse or at least potentially much worse. Now you have players that can have a voice. They can say whatever the fuck they want on twitter and a lot of them do. That can be a very bad thing. Get in your time machine and imagine for a moment 10 years from now. Wearable/nano/bionic smart devices...streaming live in 4k/8k whatever the fuck it will be then. Hell. We just thought we had security leaks.

No amount of public relations can over come the truth that Arkansas has a problem with talent coming from the state namely in positions that are very much needed in order to consistently win in the SEC. We've had droughts in basketball skill and that seems to be coming back. Perhaps football will rebound. Perhaps football will only get worse with the growing number of young athletes elected to play other sports less likely to cause brain damage.

Where was I going with this post?


Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SpiderHam on August 23, 2017, 08:00:01 PM
Just want to warn you, football is about to go 10-2 in the regular season (2nd, SECW), basketball is about to go 24-6 in the regular season (2nd, SEC) , and baseball is about to go 45-10 in the regular season (1st, SEC overall).  Gonna be a banner year....a banner year!
:borat:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Barton Fink on August 23, 2017, 08:11:13 PM

None of which is the point.  It was stated that Petrino has never had an embarrassing loss.  That's simply not the case.

Well, but not of the magnitude of 3-56 last year. That was the worse ass kicking I remember since the U rolled us.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Whyte Boar on August 23, 2017, 08:34:03 PM
I just started writing stuff and this below is what came out...

Thesis: The opposition for Houston Nutt was really more of a internet phenomena manifested by a leftist subversives.

His popularity in the state and in the national media is well documented. He, like BB was never dull...always good for a line. Always decent at ad lib material. Almost guaranteed to step off on his dick every now and then. I'm not so sure anyone that would have been in that role at that time would be viewed much differently because the proliferation of the internet changed the way fans interact and think about their favorite sports teams.

No doubt we now tend to know more about our favorite sports teams than maybe we care to know. At the time we were like dope heads that had to have that next hit. Had to have the information so we could take it to the internet. We literally gave some credibility to a guy that worked at the Bentonville Chili's because he was roommates with a guy in the film room. You don't get that kind of story just anywhere folks. As fans we latched onto a lot of flimsy information...the problem was most of it was true.

Nutt was essentially our first modern head football coach or at least the first to really have modern problems. As a program we weren't prepared for that information and misinformation over load. We weren't prepared for having to put up hefty bags because spies were filming practices or because fans were giving away too many details about practices. We weren't prepared for carefully crafting the control of information in the way we are today. You combine the talent gap that we had versus our betters and the fact that our own fans were broadcasting their techmo bowl playbook world wide and whammy.

Ultimately I think he had his moment as head coach and wasn't able to stay up with the times. When he arrived all you needed was 6 plays and be really good at running them. When he left all you needed was 600. Ok well I don't obviously know what the real number is but you get the point. It's not so much that he arrived in over his head...I think he coached here in a time when it was a significant change in major college football. The game prep and the money coming in demanded a level of professionalism that wasn't previously merited. We weren't the New York Jets for crying out loud.

Now the problems are essentially the same but much worse or at least potentially much worse. Now you have players that can have a voice. They can say whatever the fuck they want on twitter and a lot of them do. That can be a very bad thing. Get in your time machine and imagine for a moment 10 years from now. Wearable/nano/bionic smart devices...streaming live in 4k/8k whatever the fuck it will be then. Hell. We just thought we had security leaks.

No amount of public relations can over come the truth that Arkansas has a problem with talent coming from the state namely in positions that are very much needed in order to consistently win in the SEC. We've had droughts in basketball skill and that seems to be coming back. Perhaps football will rebound. Perhaps football will only get worse with the growing number of young athletes elected to play other sports less likely to cause brain damage.

Where was I going with this post?

Remember when our playbook was one of those stolen and put on the internet?  Our offense noticeably changed after that.  I don't think Hootie ever recovered.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 23, 2017, 08:47:37 PM
Well, but not of the magnitude of 3-56 last year. That was the worse ass kicking I remember since the U rolled us.

Again, not the point.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 23, 2017, 08:57:30 PM
Well, but not of the magnitude of 3-56 last year. That was the worse ass kicking I remember since the U rolled us.

May have been only one of the very few times I didn't watch every play of a game, it was painful. I still think we could have been a 9 win team last year. We handily beat the SECE champions of the world and looked potent as fuck for 2 or 3 quarters at a time so I ain't scared. If our oline is even fractionally better, our defense can give up plenty of points this year and us be in the game. We lost games last year because we essentially couldn't make a yard, that inch...


























One play away...  :stache:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: REDHEAD on August 23, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
May have been only one of the very few times I didn't watch every play of a game, it was painful. I still think we could have been a 9 win team last year. We handily beat the SECE champions of the world and looked potent as fuck for 2 or 3 quarters at a time so I ain't scared. If our oline is even fractionally better, our defense can give up plenty of points this year and us be in the game. We lost games last year because we essentially couldn't make a yard, that inch...








 

















One play away...  :stache:

I quit on the methzoo and va tech games, but the auburn game was a train wreck I couldn't take my eyes off of. At some point I was cheering for a terror attack.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: gibraltar on August 23, 2017, 10:44:38 PM
I quit on the methzoo and va tech games, but the auburn game was a train wreck I couldn't take my eyes off of. At some point I was cheering for a terror attack.
The Auburn one changed me as well
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 24, 2017, 12:16:00 AM
When people are impatient, I remember that Alabama let Mike Shula coach for basically 50 games and were allegedly a 50-50 Tebow decision away from possibly having him longer than that.


We're winning 7 and 8 games per year right now, and I think we all see how close we've been to doing more.
This AD is going to give Bielema a legitimate shot at getting over that hump.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 24, 2017, 08:07:31 AM
When people are impatient, I remember that Alabama let Mike Shula coach for basically 50 games and were allegedly a 50-50 Tebow decision away from possibly having him longer than that.


We're winning 7 and 8 games per year right now, and I think we all see how close we've been to doing more.
This AD is going to give Bielema a legitimate shot at getting over that hump.

Honestly when you step back away from it, that's probably the smart play.  Slow nickel beats a fast dollar, and all that. 

It's just damned frustrating when you see the team shit away certain losses in the 4th quarter multiple times...or lay down and offer up all its holes with extra lube to a very mediocre Auburn team...or continue to lose to an A&M team that we essentially owned for the previous 50-plus years. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 24, 2017, 09:03:51 AM
Honestly when you step back away from it, that's probably the smart play.  Slow nickel beats a fast dollar, and all that. 

It's just damned frustrating when you see the team shit away certain losses in the 4th quarter multiple times...or lay down and offer up all its holes with extra lube to a very mediocre Auburn team...or continue to lose to an A&M team that we essentially owned for the previous 50-plus years.
Those are exactly the things that worry me as well.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: allswell on August 24, 2017, 09:32:13 AM
When people are impatient, I remember that Alabama let Mike Shula coach for basically 50 games and were allegedly a 50-50 Tebow decision away from possibly having him longer than that.

Shula was the only coach who could and would consistently out dimwit Nutt. Every close game vs Bama during his era(?), we won, due largely to mike nutting up.  Every time. Like Greg Norman. At Augusta.

This was back when nutt still had that wood(right here) pulled over everyone's eyes or at least mine. But There was no doubt Shula would make the final, fatal blunder and lose the close games. As if it were scripted.

Nutt would choke, then Mike would chokemate.

I really miss that guy
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 24, 2017, 10:32:38 AM
The talent level is going down. That's a problem. This recruiting class stinks, especially if Gooden flips to OU. Luckily our schedule is pretty soft this year if we can get lucky and beat TCU.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hoggadore on August 24, 2017, 10:56:58 AM
I pretty much stay out of the verbal sparring because I don't know any of y'all. But shit that was funny.

You're supposed to know the people you insult on the internet?  I think we're going to need to check the rule book on that one.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 24, 2017, 11:00:50 AM
The talent level is going down. That's a problem. This recruiting class stinks, especially if Gooden flips to OU. Luckily our schedule is pretty soft this year if we can get lucky and beat TCU.

I don't see that at all.  And don't see Gooden flipping either. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 24, 2017, 11:10:51 AM
Those 2011 games were both embarrassing, especially for what was at the time of the LSU loss the #3 team in the country.   We were outscored 41-3 after taking a good lead.  What do you call that if not embarrassing?

And I love how quick people toss aside Petrino's first year but not Bert's.

None of which is the point.  It was stated that Petrino has never had an embarrassing loss.  That's simply not the case.

The LSU loss wasn't embarrassing to me.  Frustrating, maybe, but that game was right after Garrett Uekman's death and it was pretty tough for them.  I rarely see teams win games after a player's death.  We played Mississippi State the year before right after they lost a player and while we barely won we had to fumble and miss a winning FG for them to have their chance in OT.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 24, 2017, 11:16:47 AM
The talent level is going down. That's a problem. This recruiting class stinks, especially if Gooden flips to OU. Luckily our schedule is pretty soft this year if we can get lucky and beat TCU.
What recruiting are you following? It will be rated low just because of the low numbers, but the talent is there. Two of the blue-shirts are possibly going to play this year, so I'd say that was a wise use of 2 of next years scholarships. This years class has the most speed Bielema has ever recruited. If you want to get down on him for coaching, fine; but his recruiting is the best I've seen since Ford's last couple of years. Kids seem to love the guy and he's making inroads into the areas we need to be strong in. Fire him now and all of those contacts with coaches at those schools go away, probably as important as that is the relationships with the sophomores and juniors at these schools. He's going to get enough time to try to recruit his way out of what was a mess. I think he will.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 24, 2017, 12:15:13 PM
total agreement
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 24, 2017, 12:31:26 PM
What recruiting are you following? It will be rated low just because of the low numbers, but the talent is there. Two of the blue-shirts are possibly going to play this year, so I'd say that was a wise use of 2 of next years scholarships. This years class has the most speed Bielema has ever recruited. If you want to get down on him for coaching, fine; but his recruiting is the best I've seen since Ford's last couple of years. Kids seem to love the guy and he's making inroads into the areas we need to be strong in. Fire him now and all of those contacts with coaches at those schools go away, probably as important as that is the relationships with the sophomores and juniors at these schools. He's going to get enough time to try to recruit his way out of what was a mess. I think he will.

Our recruiting is pretty much the same it was during Nutt, during Petrino, during Smith.

What you need to figure out (and others like you), is we don't need to recruit our way out of this mess. We need to COACH our way out of it.

If he doesn't make horrible decisions on the field the last 3 years, we have at least 5 more wins and 2 straight top 25 finishes.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 24, 2017, 01:11:26 PM
We're not putting anymore players in the league than we always have. Are we doing less with more? Where have I heard that before?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 24, 2017, 01:12:58 PM
Our recruiting is pretty much the same it was during Nutt, during Petrino, during Smith.

This is like when you said South Carolina has never recruited better than us, except I don't have the time to go look up the recruiting rankings that show you are completely 100% wrong.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Trigger7672 on August 24, 2017, 01:23:43 PM
This is like when you said South Carolina has never recruited better than us, except I don't have the time to go look up the recruiting rankings that show you are completely 100% wrong.

Are we recruiting better under Bielema than we did under Nutt and Petrino? I don't follow recruiting very closely but it doesn't seem like we have any more or less talent than we did under those two.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 24, 2017, 01:25:44 PM
On paper we look less talented than the majority of Nutt's teams. And the conference is tougher.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 24, 2017, 01:26:07 PM
Are we recruiting better under Bielema than we did under Nutt and Petrino? I don't follow recruiting very closely but it doesn't seem like we have any more or less talent than we did under those two.

those MJ era teams were filled with talent.  :/
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 24, 2017, 01:30:52 PM
Are we recruiting better under Bielema than we did under Nutt and Petrino? I don't follow recruiting very closely but it doesn't seem like we have any more or less talent than we did under those two.
His classes have improved every year he's been here. It takes time to build relationships in our recruiting footprint. Lord knows we let them stagnate during Hootie's years.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 24, 2017, 01:34:49 PM
We're not putting anymore players in the league than we always have. Are we doing less with more? Where have I heard that before?
This is his 5th year, so it would be kind of hard to tell how many we will put in.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 24, 2017, 01:45:04 PM
Note: these rankings appear to include players that never actually made it to campus, for academic or other reasons. http://arkansas.247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/Commits
I don't recall Bielema having an issue with that, but I could be wrong. Someone please point out those cases if needed.

Also full disclosure: I stopped at 2002, because the rankings for 01, 00 and 99 were either incomplete or non-existent for many schools' classes when you looked at them in detail.
For instance, we were ranked 9 in 01, but it only listed 4 recruits for us that were ranked. This is the class that had Carroll, Howard, Matt Jones, Mark Pierce, etc. It was for sure one of Nutt's better classes, and possibly his best, but I can't clearly define where it sits in comparison to what other schools had.
I didn't trust the 00 rankings either and the 99 rankings were 100% incomplete.

Bielema's current 2018 class sits at 40 or so. As previously mentioned here, it's simply because of fewer commitments at this point. The average rating puts it around 20, so I expect it to fall somewhere in between those two numbers, but it definitely will not finish this low.

24/7 sports composite rankings:
2017 - 27
2016 - 23
2015 - 22
2014 - 29
2013 - 23
Bielema average:  24.8



2012 - 27
2011 - 21
2010 - 41
2009 - 20
2008 - 25
Petrino average: 26.8


2007 - 36
2006 - 22
2005 - 26
2004 - 18
2003 - 42
2002 - 25
Nutt average: 28.1667


Admittedly closer than I thought, but a clear winner in consistency, at this point.



Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 24, 2017, 01:53:27 PM
On paper we look less talented than the majority of Nutt's teams. And the conference is tougher.

On paper, do Arkansas HighSchools create more or less D-1 talent now vs then? I'll hang up and see if anyone knows.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 24, 2017, 01:57:23 PM
the entire climate of college football is different than it was then
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 24, 2017, 02:09:54 PM
Our recruiting is pretty much the same it was during Nutt, during Petrino, during Smith.

What you need to figure out (and others like you), is we don't need to recruit our way out of this mess. We need to COACH our way out of it.

If he doesn't make horrible decisions on the field the last 3 years, we have at least 5 more wins and 2 straight top 25 finishes.

Also, I'm sexually attracted to coat hangers. Also, I'm sexually attracted to coat hangers. Also, I'm sexually attracted to coat hangers. blah... ad infinitum.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 24, 2017, 02:10:04 PM
His classes have improved every year he's been here. It takes time to build relationships in our recruiting footprint. Lord knows we let them stagnate during Hootie's years.

In a world of snapchat, twitter and hudl I'm not sure "relationships" mean what they used to or are that hard to build.

Unless of course you are speaking of networking your bagmen and mapping out all the bridges, that is some cautious work. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 24, 2017, 02:36:05 PM
Our recruiting is pretty much the same it was during Nutt, during Petrino, during Smith.

What you need to figure out (and others like you), is we don't need to recruit our way out of this mess. We need to COACH our way out of it.

If he doesn't make horrible decisions on the field the last 3 years, we have at least 5 more wins and 2 straight top 25 finishes.

I've noticed you like to analyze.  Through your analysis, you've determined that Coach Bielema is a bad coach.

A few questions.

How did Jimmy Johnson do as a coach after he left the Cowboys?

How many Super Bowls did Bill Parcells win at anywhere not called New York Giants?

Lou Holtz won a National Championship at Notre Dame.  How many at South Carolina?

Steve Spurrier won big at Florida.  How many did he win anywhere else?

My point is pretty obvious.  It ain't the X's and O's.  It is the Jimmy's and Joes.  Bet your life on it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 24, 2017, 02:40:48 PM
I've noticed you like to analyze.  Through your analysis, you've determined that Coach Bielema is a bad coach.

A few questions.

How did Jimmy Johnson do as a coach after he left the Cowboys?

How many Super Bowls did Bill Parcells win at anywhere not called New York Giants?

Lou Holtz won a National Championship at Notre Dame.  How many at South Carolina?

Steve Spurrier won big at Florida.  How many did he win anywhere else?

My point is pretty obvious.  It ain't the X's and O's.  It is the Jimmy's and Joes.  Bet your life on it.
Add in Lord Saban at Michigan St.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SonOfMud on August 24, 2017, 02:41:34 PM
Admittedly closer than I thought, but a clear winner in consistency, at this point.

BB's classes are more likely to make it to campus, and to stay.  Hence the reason the upcoming recruiting class will be small.

Both HDNs and BPs classes were filled with misses.

We'll see if keeping and developing talent pays dividends.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 24, 2017, 02:52:59 PM
BB's classes are more likely to make it to campus, and to stay.  Hence the reason the upcoming recruiting class will be small.

Both HDNs and BPs classes were filled with misses.

We'll see if keeping and developing talent pays dividends.
Bielema has had plenty of misses. My hope for this season is that the D at least has a pulse. Losing Ellis is addition by subtraction.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: VegasHog on August 24, 2017, 02:58:00 PM
Bielema has had plenty of misses. My hope for this season is that the D at least has a pulse. Losing Ellis is addition by subtraction.

and you totally missed his point.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 24, 2017, 03:03:52 PM
I've noticed you like to analyze.  Through your analysis, you've determined that Coach Bielema is a bad coach.

A few questions.

How did Jimmy Johnson do as a coach after he left the Cowboys?

How many Super Bowls did Bill Parcells win at anywhere not called New York Giants?

Lou Holtz won a National Championship at Notre Dame.  How many at South Carolina?

Steve Spurrier won big at Florida.  How many did he win anywhere else?

My point is pretty obvious.  It ain't the X's and O's.  It is the Jimmy's and Joes.  Bet your life on it.
Dead frickin on.  I'm a little shocked a coach would downplay the brilliance of coaches, but this man knows of what he speaks.  There's a reason Darth Saban is winning 12 games every year and it's the number of elite athletes he puts on the field in all 3 phases of the games.  When you have 4* guys on the kickoff and punt teams you're just better in every phase of the game than the other guys.  Yes, Saban is a great coach, but he's surrounded by so much talent it gives him a shield to stupid coaching mistakes or poor scheming of which even he is guilty.  If where and who you're coaching doesn't matter, then Bear Bryant would have won Nattys at UK and aTm, Bill Billicheck and Saban would have won a Superbowl in Cleveland, Bobby Bowden would have won a title at WVU, and Pete Carroll would have SuperBowls in Seattle, New England, AND New York.   
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 24, 2017, 03:12:20 PM
I've noticed you like to analyze.  Through your analysis, you've determined that Coach Bielema is a bad coach.

A few questions.

How did Jimmy Johnson do as a coach after he left the Cowboys?

How many Super Bowls did Bill Parcells win at anywhere not called New York Giants?

Lou Holtz won a National Championship at Notre Dame.  How many at South Carolina?

Steve Spurrier won big at Florida.  How many did he win anywhere else?

My point is pretty obvious.  It ain't the X's and O's.  It is the Jimmy's and Joes.  Bet your life on it.

Our problem, and it looks like it's going to affect fan base expectations for a generation, is that we had one of the few guys where X's and O's did matter and improved the Jimmie's and Joe's.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 24, 2017, 03:12:43 PM
I've noticed you like to analyze.  Through your analysis, you've determined that Coach Bielema is a bad coach.

A few questions.

How did Jimmy Johnson do as a coach after he left the Cowboys?

How many Super Bowls did Bill Parcells win at anywhere not called New York Giants?

Lou Holtz won a National Championship at Notre Dame.  How many at South Carolina?

Steve Spurrier won big at Florida.  How many did he win anywhere else?

My point is pretty obvious.

You had a really good post going. 

Quote
It ain't the X's and O's.  It is the Jimmy's and Joes.  Bet your life on it.

And then you blew the whole thing over a tired cliché that was invented by an underachieving coach to excuse his team's lack of performance.  I know you know better.

This has been borne out time and again, at multiple locations. 

A great coach will get average results with poor talent, good results with average talent, great results with good talent, and legen...wait for it...dary results with great talent.  Saban, Meyer, Petrino, etc.

A good coach will suck with poor talent, will get average to slightly above results with average talent, good results with good talent, and great results with great talent.  Jimbo, Dabo, etc.

An average coach will be what his talent dictates.  He's the poster child for the cliché you used.  This is the neighborhood Les Miles and H.D. Nutt call home. 

A poor coach will go 0-fer with poor talent, and will suck no matter the quality of his players.  Sure, he might luck into a good year here and there with great talent if the stars align for him, but for the most part he'll underachieve.  Gene Chizik is a prominent example here. 

My best guess is that Bielema falls somewhere in between the average and good areas - probably closer to good, with room to improve.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 24, 2017, 03:13:35 PM
I've noticed you like to analyze.  Through your analysis, you've determined that Coach Bielema is a bad coach.

A few questions.

How did Jimmy Johnson do as a coach after he left the Cowboys?

How many Super Bowls did Bill Parcells win at anywhere not called New York Giants?

Lou Holtz won a National Championship at Notre Dame.  How many at South Carolina?

Steve Spurrier won big at Florida.  How many did he win anywhere else?

My point is pretty obvious.  It ain't the X's and O's.  It is the Jimmy's and Joes.  Bet your life on it.

Big Tuna won 10 with QCar in year 1 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hoggadore on August 24, 2017, 03:16:27 PM
Note: these rankings appear to include players that never actually made it to campus, for academic or other reasons. http://arkansas.247sports.com/Season/2010-Football/Commits
I don't recall Bielema having an issue with that, but I could be wrong. Someone please point out those cases if needed.

Also full disclosure: I stopped at 2002, because the rankings for 01, 00 and 99 were either incomplete or non-existent for many schools' classes when you looked at them in detail.
For instance, we were ranked 9 in 01, but it only listed 4 recruits for us that were ranked. This is the class that had Carroll, Howard, Matt Jones, Mark Pierce, etc. It was for sure one of Nutt's better classes, and possibly his best, but I can't clearly define where it sits in comparison to what other schools had.
I didn't trust the 00 rankings either and the 99 rankings were 100% incomplete.

Bielema's current 2018 class sits at 40 or so. As previously mentioned here, it's simply because of fewer commitments at this point. The average rating puts it around 20, so I expect it to fall somewhere in between those two numbers, but it definitely will not finish this low.

24/7 sports composite rankings:
2017 - 27
2016 - 23
2015 - 22
2014 - 29
2013 - 23
Bielema average:  24.8



2012 - 27
2011 - 21
2010 - 41
2009 - 20
2008 - 25
Petrino average: 26.8


2007 - 36
2006 - 22
2005 - 26
2004 - 18
2003 - 42
2002 - 25
Nutt average: 28.1667


Admittedly closer than I thought, but a clear winner in consistency, at this point.

Wow 2010 was a lost year of recruiting. The ranking is bad, but if you look at the actual list of recruits it's even worse. I don't even recognize most of the names.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: GolfingHog on August 24, 2017, 03:21:21 PM
What recruiting are you following? It will be rated low just because of the low numbers, but the talent is there. Two of the blue-shirts are possibly going to play this year, so I'd say that was a wise use of 2 of next years scholarships. This years class has the most speed Bielema has ever recruited. If you want to get down on him for coaching, fine; but his recruiting is the best I've seen since Ford's last couple of years. Kids seem to love the guy and he's making inroads into the areas we need to be strong in. Fire him now and all of those contacts with coaches at those schools go away, probably as important as that is the relationships with the sophomores and juniors at these schools. He's going to get enough time to try to recruit his way out of what was a mess. I think he will.

Nailed it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: VegasHog on August 24, 2017, 03:23:58 PM
Wow 2010 was a lost year of recruiting. The ranking is bad, but if you look at the actual list of recruits it's even worse. I don't even recognize most of the names.

despite the improvement in ranking, take a look at 2011 and count the number who actually stayed and contributed.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Show-Me Hog on August 24, 2017, 03:29:09 PM
You had a really good post going. 

And then you blew the whole thing over a tired cliché that was invented by an underachieving coach to excuse his team's lack of performance.  I know you know better.

This has been borne out time and again, at multiple locations. 

A great coach will get average results with poor talent, good results with average talent, great results with good talent, and legen...wait for it...dary results with great talent.  Saban, Meyer, Petrino, etc.

A good coach will suck with poor talent, will get average to slightly above results with average talent, good results with good talent, and great results with great talent.  Jimbo, Dabo, etc.

An average coach will be what his talent dictates.  He's the poster child for the cliché you used.  This is the neighborhood Les Miles and H.D. Nutt call home. 

A poor coach will go 0-fer with poor talent, and will suck no matter the quality of his players.  Sure, he might luck into a good year here and there with great talent if the stars align for him, but for the most part he'll underachieve.  Gene Chizik is a prominent example here. 

My best guess is that Bielema falls somewhere in between the average and good areas - probably closer to good, with room to improve.

Agreeance and of course the horses matter first, but the coaching still matters.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 24, 2017, 03:35:01 PM
Our problem, and it looks like it's going to affect fan base expectations for a generation, is that we had one of the few guys where X's and O's did matter and improved the Jimmie's and Joe's.
This is also an excellent point.  Bobby Petrino is in my mind the BEST gameday coach in the country.  He consistently wins with middling talent.  BUT, even Bobby has never gotten it done becasue he's never had elite talent.  Lamar Jackson is the best player he's ever coached, and maybe he gets Bobby over the hump, but Bobby's failure to land top tier guys is what's kept him from the mountain top and it's the same reason I don't believe we'd have ever won a National Title with him here.  The margin for error here is too small without the talent to back up the coaching.  It's why guys like Nutt can fall ass backwards into 10 wins but shit the bed and guys like Danny Ford struggle to win 7.  There's a reason the same 15 schools have won every title for the last 30 years.  It's the continuity in recruiting and proximity to talent.     
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 24, 2017, 03:36:08 PM
the Family Arm questions that Jackson assertion.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 24, 2017, 03:36:54 PM
the Family Arm questions that Jackson assertion.


Skrizzle scantron
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 24, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
This is also an excellent point.  Bobby Petrino is in my mind the BEST gameday coach in the country.  He consistently wins with middling talent.  BUT, even Bobby has never gotten it done becasue he's never had elite talent.  Lamar Jackson is the best player he's ever coached, and maybe he gets Bobby over the hump, but Bobby's failure to land top tier guys is what's kept him from the mountain top and it's the same reason I don't believe we'd have ever won a National Title with him here.  The margin for error here is too small without the talent to back up the coaching.  It's why guys like Nutt can fall ass backwards into 10 wins but shit the bed and guys like Danny Ford struggle to win 7.  There's a reason the same 15 schools have won every title for the last 30 years.  It's the continuity in recruiting and proximity to talent.     

But if it's all about the Jimmies and Joes, why hasn't someone given Trooper Taylor a head coaching job yet?  He'd set Rivals records for recruiting rankings and would likely go 0-12 every year. 

John "Black Santa" Blake is another example.  He left Big Game Bob enough talent to win a NC in his second year, but went 12-22 at a blue blood school in an easy conference.  If it was purely about talent, he should've been able to do better than the bottom of the standings with a top five lifetime program competing in a bottom tier conference. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 24, 2017, 03:54:16 PM
But if it's all about the Jimmies and Joes, why hasn't someone given Trooper Taylor a head coaching job yet?  He'd set Rivals records for recruiting rankings and would likely go 0-12 every year. 

John "Black Santa" Blake is another example.  He left Big Game Bob enough talent to win a NC in his second year, but went 12-22 at a blue blood school in an easy conference.  If it was purely about talent, he should've been able to do better than the bottom of the standings with a top five lifetime program competing in a bottom tier conference. 
It's not purely talent, or else Petrino would never win more than 5 games a year.  BUT, a mildly competent coach with more talent can and often does beat a terrific coach with marginal talent, see Nutt, Houston vs Petrino or Les Miles vs Gary Patterson.  Having elite talent will overcome a lot of coaching mistakes.  The players make the plays not the coaches.     
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: DirkPiggler on August 24, 2017, 04:01:15 PM
It's not purely talent, or else Petrino would never win more than 5 games a year.  BUT, a mildly competent coach with more talent can and often does beat a terrific coach with marginal talent, see Nutt, Houston vs Petrino or Les Miles vs Gary Patterson.  Having elite talent will overcome a lot of coaching mistakes.  The players make the plays not the coaches.     

I'd call it 60% talent/ 40% coaching.  Maybe even 55%/45%. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 24, 2017, 04:02:57 PM
and you totally missed his point.
No. He said Bielema gets guys that would stay. The 2013 and 14 classes had massive attrition. The guys that would have been RS Jr's and Sr's this year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: SkinnyHawg on August 24, 2017, 04:25:35 PM
The talent level is going down. That's a problem. This recruiting class stinks, especially if Gooden flips to OU. Luckily our schedule is pretty soft this year if we can get lucky and beat TCU.

 ???

It certainly appears we've got a real chance to upgrade our roster the next couple of years. That 2019 class could be crazy good. Henry is a 5 star. Burks and the OT from Jonesboro may end up close to 5. Rawleigh's brother is a top 10 player.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 24, 2017, 04:56:30 PM
???
2019 dummy. But it looks like Rawleigh's brother is going elsewhere and he would've been the jewel.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: FNG on August 24, 2017, 05:01:52 PM
2019 dummy. But it looks like Rawleigh's brother is going elsewhere and he would've been the jewel.
Not doubting you but what leads you to believe that?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Doc on August 24, 2017, 05:04:57 PM
2019 dummy. But it looks like Rawleigh's brother is going elsewhere and he would've been the jewel.
Every indication I've heard is his brother is very interested in us, and we are the school to beat for his talents.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Razor B on August 24, 2017, 05:17:20 PM
I've noticed you like to analyze.  Through your analysis, you've determined that Coach Bielema is a bad coach.

A few questions.

How did Jimmy Johnson do as a coach after he left the Cowboys?

How many Super Bowls did Bill Parcells win at anywhere not called New York Giants?

Lou Holtz won a National Championship at Notre Dame.  How many at South Carolina?

Steve Spurrier won big at Florida.  How many did he win anywhere else?

My point is pretty obvious.  It ain't the X's and O's.  It is the Jimmy's and Joes.  Bet your life on it.

I see your point but everyone of those coaches quit and then tried a "challenge".   What successes did the majority of teams have after those coaches left?  Took a while for the Giants, South Carolina, and Notre Dame to have any.  Florida won it all but hasn't done much since Meyer left.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 24, 2017, 06:01:09 PM
I'd call it 60% talent/ 40% coaching.  Maybe even 55%/45%.

You left off, 100% of the time.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hit_that_line on August 24, 2017, 06:26:12 PM
Every indication I've heard is his brother is very interested in us, and we are the school to beat for his talents.
We definitely don't lead. UT more than likely.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 24, 2017, 07:23:38 PM
Let me clarify. Yes, there are good coaches, and there are bad coaches. Obviously a good coach will get more out of talent. Very few times does a good coach win consistently with poor talent. The argument will always be how much better did a team of low perform because of coaching. Saban is the Jeopardy answer (question?). He was very successful at LSU and Alabama. Not so much everywhere else.

Can Coach Bielema make Arkansas that place where the 4 and 5 stars flock?  That would be great.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boared Cynic on August 24, 2017, 07:41:06 PM
I don't know if it's already been said but the high school talent not named Allen hasn't done any favors for Bielema in recent years. Especially for his style of ball.

Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boared Cynic on August 24, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
I don't know if it's already been said but the high school talent not named Allen hasn't done any favors for Bielema in recent years. Especially for his style of ball.

Not a diss on the home town kids that plays or played for Bielema. Meant that it seems he has to go out of state to fill the team needs more than Nutt or Petrino ever did.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Phat_Hawg on August 24, 2017, 09:12:12 PM
The intellectual gymnastics some of you go through to justify an opinion is really impressive. There's some first rate BS these last two pages.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 24, 2017, 09:17:14 PM
The intellectual gymnastics some of you go through to justify an opinion is really impressive. There's some first rate BS these last two pages.

I'd say 10% intellect / 90% BS. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogsrunwild on August 24, 2017, 09:23:49 PM
Don't care about rankings or coaching rankings or recruiting rankings. I just care about wins and would like to see more of those please
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hatchclan on August 25, 2017, 06:40:36 AM
Don't care about rankings or coaching rankings or recruiting rankings. I just care about wins and would like to see more of those please
:thumbup: :beer: A thousand times THIS!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Cerdo on August 25, 2017, 08:10:05 AM
I would also agree with that. 
I've always felt like we need to have some patience here and that because Arkansas has a tendency to be a drama queen of a program , well, it's high time that we hire a real coach, with a real track record - and then we back off and let him build his program the "right way" like Beamer or Snyder or whoever.

Sooner or later though, it does boil down to Wins and Losses. 

I think the acceptable bar here, for the start, would be to be a team that is consistently ranked per it's historical ranking, whether that means 7 wins or 10 wins.  Let's have 2 years of being consistently ranked because we really haven't done that with any kind of consistency in, like decades. 

As far as optimism - we've all seen before that a dynamic QB can carry a college team a long damn ways on his own.  I believe Austin Allen to be that dynamic QB who could create a lot of wins this season by himself.    It'll have to be shootouts because I think we'll get picked apart by everyone's short game and run game but Allen is the real deal, relatively speaking. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 25, 2017, 10:22:12 AM
This is also an excellent point.  Bobby Petrino is in my mind the BEST gameday coach in the country.  He consistently wins with middling talent.  BUT, even Bobby has never gotten it done becasue he's never had elite talent.  Lamar Jackson is the best player he's ever coached, and maybe he gets Bobby over the hump, but Bobby's failure to land top tier guys is what's kept him from the mountain top and it's the same reason I don't believe we'd have ever won a National Title with him here. 

We might not have.  But we haven't with anyone else in 50 years either.  And it was nice being in the run for it, playing in the final major game of the season for a chance to play for it.

Even if that didn't materialize, tell me you wouldn't want to beat a 10 win team by 50 points and have them screaming for mercy before the end of the 3rd quarter.  Seems like it would be fun. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 25, 2017, 11:25:28 AM
tell me you wouldn't want to beat a 10 win team by 50 points and have them screaming for mercy before the end of the 3rd quarter

when did that happen
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Buffinator on August 25, 2017, 12:05:12 PM
when did that happen

Florida State last year? 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 25, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
50 points?

Regardless, that is 4 years, a different conference and two jobs beyond his Arkansas tenure.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Arkansas Proud on August 25, 2017, 12:26:37 PM
Florida State last year?

You shouldn't help him out so soon.  He's stuck on the 49 point final, which obviously just completely annihilates the entire point I had.

My bad.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Stephen Colboar on August 25, 2017, 12:33:49 PM
the final score was 63-20

I still don't understand how that has anything to do with discussing his tenure here
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 25, 2017, 01:27:53 PM
You shouldn't help him out so soon.  He's stuck on the 49 point final, which obviously just completely annihilates the entire point I had.

My bad.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Ty Webb on August 26, 2017, 08:37:43 AM
We might not have.  But we haven't with anyone else in 50 years either.  And it was nice being in the run for it, playing in the final major game of the season for a chance to play for it.

Even if that didn't materialize, tell me you wouldn't want to beat a 10 win team by 50 points and have them screaming for mercy before the end of the 3rd quarter.  Seems like it would be fun.
Yet that same coach who beat a 10 win team by 43pts found a way to lose 4 games last year. Folks here would be seriously questioning any coach that did that here.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: TheOtherWhiteMeat on August 26, 2017, 10:22:49 AM
There's an article in today's ADG about how Dept. of Parks & Tourism is working on staffing the games starting next week, including Thursday nights game and the Salt Bowl on Saturday. They quoted the Dept. Director as stating those two games together could draw more than 100,000 fans.  :portishead:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 26, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
I like the way Bielema handles his business. We will use any advancement in technology.  :thumbup:

We have a proven SEC defensive coordinator this year. We're going to be good.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/25/live-bret-bielema-previews-florida-m-game/





Let the floodgates of hate open
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 26, 2017, 06:18:37 PM
I like the way Bielema handles his business. We will use any advancement in technology.  :thumbup:

We have a proven SEC defensive coordinator this year. We're going to be good.

http://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2017/aug/25/live-bret-bielema-previews-florida-m-game/


Let the floodgates of hate open

I didn't know Wally Hall is the editor of their website...

Bielema said Jared Cornelius and T.J. Hammonds "are both incorporated into the game plan" but a decision on their status for the game won't be decided until next Tuesday.

The decision won't be decided?

Connor Limpert, a left-hander, might be used in some strategic situations; can kick rugby style.

Pretty damn good if he punts with his hand. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on August 26, 2017, 07:02:59 PM
So Limpert can switch off. I mean that's not really a talent I've been doing it for years.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Lurk on August 26, 2017, 07:09:37 PM
I didn't know Wally Hall is the editor of their website...

Bielema said Jared Cornelius and T.J. Hammonds "are both incorporated into the game plan" but a decision on their status for the game won't be decided until next Tuesday.

The decision won't be decided?

Connor Limpert, a left-hander, might be used in some strategic situations; can kick rugby style.

Pretty damn good if he punts with his hand.
Yeah it's painful to read, but it's about all we've got.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 28, 2017, 09:55:11 AM
Yeah it's painful to read, but it's about all we've got.

bert's all about trickery.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Doc on August 30, 2017, 03:04:20 PM
On what could be the final day of being not so gloom and doom, here is a hype video.

https://twitter.com/RazorbackFB/status/902984291054829568
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Rick B. on August 30, 2017, 04:10:20 PM
On what could be the final day of being not so gloom and doom, here is a hype video.


 (https://twitter.com/RazorbackFB/status/902984291054829568)

That gave me chills but not because of the content, because of the song.  Every time I've heard that song on the radio the last few months, I've thought about Hog football...Make me a...make me a Bielemer, a Bielemer!  Yes.  I'm a loser.  Heading to the screen door.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: clintcommander on August 30, 2017, 04:58:21 PM
On what could be the final day of being not so gloom and doom, here is a hype video.

https://twitter.com/RazorbackFB/status/902984291054829568

The fact that they chose a song that said they are tired of the way things have been... can I be hopeful?  Should I let my piss get hot?  I really liked this video a lot.  :helmet: :thumbup: :helmet:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hoggadore on August 30, 2017, 05:06:39 PM
The fact that they chose a song that said they are tired of the way things have been... can I be hopeful?  Should I let my piss get hot?  I really liked this video a lot.  :helmet: :thumbup: :helmet:

Yeah, wonder if anyone of any importance approved that song choice.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 31, 2017, 09:07:31 AM
Yeah, wonder if anyone of any importance approved that song choice.

No. Just the head coach.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BigDavis on August 31, 2017, 09:43:26 AM
Wow 2010 was a lost year of recruiting. The ranking is bad, but if you look at the actual list of recruits it's even worse. I don't even recognize most of the names.

I remember bitching about that class and being told "They're just filling needs" and "These guys are all diamonds in the rough"

Yeah not so much.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 31, 2017, 10:32:25 AM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tonic on August 31, 2017, 11:16:16 AM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!

7 pm seems so far away after reading this. Go Hogs!!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on August 31, 2017, 11:48:18 AM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!

At first I was like

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Then I was like

(https://thatwasabitmental.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/major-league-pic-7.jpg)

 :beer:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: clintcommander on August 31, 2017, 12:16:33 PM
7 pm seems so far away after reading this. Go Hogs!!

Piss = hot

I'm gonna be hungover for PT tomorrow, but it will be worth it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: mde114 on August 31, 2017, 01:03:56 PM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!

That's great, but if we lose to the aggies again, Bert needs to be fired.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bigghurtt on August 31, 2017, 01:23:32 PM
That's great, but if we lose to the aggies again, Bert needs to be fired.

As soon as I saw the screenname, I knew this would be some idiotic whinge.







Yup.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on August 31, 2017, 01:30:40 PM
mississippi dept of ed?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: geohul on August 31, 2017, 01:44:22 PM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!
(https://www.riffsy.com/view/riff/4587565/I-got-a-boner-GIF)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hoggadore on August 31, 2017, 01:45:00 PM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!

Our KO specialist does not know how to lose!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bogeyfree on August 31, 2017, 01:46:50 PM
I'd guess we won't see a great amount of Devwah tonight.  He's pretty banged up from what I hear, you never know if info is accurate but in this case I'd bet it was. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Hogeye_Pierce on August 31, 2017, 01:57:20 PM
I'd guess we won't see a great amount of Devwah tonight.  He's pretty banged up from what I hear, you never know if info is accurate but in this case I'd bet it was.

No Doovah Walley tonight?

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bogeyfree on August 31, 2017, 02:09:42 PM
No Doovah Walley tonight?

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/62568026/that-is-a-bummer.jpg)
No, I didn't say that.  I would guess we won't see as much of him as we would normally.  Again, this info could turn out to be a big turd like lots of other info.  I was just told he was quite banged up.  Either way, it shouldn't matter tonight.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Wooisme on August 31, 2017, 02:11:09 PM
No, I didn't say that.  I would guess we won't see as much of him as we would normally.  Again, this info could turn out to be a big turd like lots of other info.  I was just told he was quite banged up.  Either way, it shouldn't matter tonight.

Why?  Couple of Tri-Delts have at him at the Big Chief??
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on August 31, 2017, 02:17:29 PM
I'd guess we won't see a great amount of Devwah tonight.  He's pretty banged up from what I hear, you never know if info is accurate but in this case I'd bet it was.
He got beat up from our shitty defense.  Lord help us.   
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on August 31, 2017, 02:23:30 PM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!

 :borat:

Thank goodness I renewed my woopig dues .
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bogeyfree on August 31, 2017, 02:30:39 PM
He got beat up from our shitty defense.  Lord help us.   
I think he had a better chance of getting banged up walking to practice.....

I definitely think he'll play but maybe not as much as he would normally.  Hell, he may play every damn snap, who knows.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on August 31, 2017, 02:49:54 PM
I'd be ok if he didn't play at all.  He is a fairly well known quantity.  I want some of the other RBs to get some time. 
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: OP on August 31, 2017, 03:02:21 PM
Some things you won't get from the insider boards. Well, you probably will, I just don't subscribe to any of them anymore.  Anyway, . . .

1.  Chase Hayden is the real deal. He'll probably struggle a little in pass protection, but it won't be for lack of effort. Honest to goodness our tailback situation is as strong as it has been since DMac, Felix, and Hillis were here.  Devwah Whaley is the complete package. Dave Williams has lots of SEC experience, and he will take 4-5 screens, dump offs to the house this year.  Bet.  Hayden has been the surprise of camp.  He will remind you of Alex Collins the way he is patient and sets up his blocks, but he will remind you of Usain Bolt with his speed (no he's not that fast, but he can scoot). Imagine Alex Collins without the dread locks, yet with track speed and you have Chase Hayden.

2.  Our receiving corps. Talk about a good problem to have.  I won't say we are loaded (yet).  They are unproven, but we haven't had the amount of depth at this position ever.  That's right.  Ever.  I look for LaMichael Pettway to become a rockstar level WR.  Jared Cornelius will more than likely lead us in receptions, and he is a threat anywhere we place him.  TJ Hammonds can play any skills position, and he will be the guy you think is going to the house any time he touches the ball.  We have at least 3 freshmen that could have all SEC years, if we get the protection to throw like we need to with this arsenal.

3.  Kicking game. Although a struggle early in camp, they are turning the curve.  We have the young man from Allen, Texas (Connor Limpert) who had never been on a team that didn't win a championship in high school.  He is kicking the ball out of the end zone about 95% of the time.  That will help our defense as it jells into the 3-4 we keep hearing about.  Not sure who will kick the field goals.  I think we'll be much improved from recent times.  The word is our backup punter is our backup qb.  This ain't a bad thing.  Supposedly, one day he was jogging over to pre-practice qb drills, and a kicking ball rolled over into his area. He picks it up and sends it toward parts of the atmosphere reserved for Ray Guy and those guys who try and hit the video screen in Jerry world.  Note to any future opponents, we just don't waste any time working on fake punts with our backup qb who happens to carry a missile launcher with him, that he sometimes refers to as his right arm.  I promise you if he's lined up to punt, drop 3 back, he's punting a long way.

4.  The O-Line.  We've heard this before.  Coach B has put more offensive linemen into the pros than any other current college coach.  Yes.  We struggled last year up front.  But an honest reflection says that we did improve.  Our best lineman returns, and he will be the 3rd starting center in the NFL from a Biliema coached program next year.  Our 2nd best lineman from last year, didn't get a snap in the most recent Cowboys pre-season game.  The good news from that is that he had developed into a very good on-field leader for us, but replacing on-field leaders is easier than replacing an outstanding offensive lineman.  I think we are starting off the season with a pretty decent line, and they could develop into something more than the worn out "biggest line in all of football."  I would hope for the "best blocking line in all of football."  Potential is there.

5.  The defense.  Lots of question marks, but possibly the biggest surprise in college football awaits.  Go ahead and point out that Paul Rhoads only ran 3-4 once, and wasn't that successful with it.  Rhoads is a coaches' coach.  He studies the game.  Our secondary is solid.  Up front, we are scary, but yes the lack of depth will scare us more.  We have 2 great starting LB's. The depth is developing. 


All in all, as you can tell by my summation, we should score a ton of points, and the lack of bragging on the defense speaks for itself.  I will say this.  The players on the defense had lost all respect for the previous DC.  They may not say it, but it showed.  Several of them have outright bragged on Paul Rhodes.  I just don't remember hearing much bragging on his predecessor from the players these past few years. 

I'm excited.  I know we've all been there before.  If we don't win by 99 tonight, there will be nay sayers.  I'll be content with a 10-0 win, but I'll be happy with a 55-12 blowout. 

When the LB from Missouri ran his mouth, I thought "all right, just what our guys needs," and then the infamous 2nd half disappearance.  There has been a sense of urgency to change things in fall camp.  It's been pretty ugly this summer on all Hog message boards.  It's time to dust off the wagon, and everybody jump back on.  Go Hogs, go!  WPS!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PqirnCVKPU
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bogeyfree on August 31, 2017, 03:17:04 PM
I'd be ok if he didn't play at all.  He is a fairly well known quantity.  I want some of the other RBs to get some time.
Agree.  Maybe get two healthy series and then sit would be great
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 31, 2017, 05:12:44 PM
I'd guess we won't see a great amount of Devwah tonight.  He's pretty banged up from what I hear, you never know if info is accurate but in this case I'd bet it was.

He's physically fine. His family is displaced by the flood. He lost a good friend in the flood. He'll play. Not sure how much.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: One Quarter on August 31, 2017, 05:20:27 PM
He lost a good friend in the flood.

Wow, the odds of that must be very small.  Just to be clear, one of the 38 people killed during Harvey was a good friend of Devwah?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: VegasHog on August 31, 2017, 05:35:22 PM
He's physically fine. His family is displaced by the flood. He lost a good friend in the flood. He'll play. Not sure how much.

him being from beaumont, that was the first thing i thought of when i read he might not play.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: authorhawgerelli on August 31, 2017, 05:50:33 PM
I'm not trying to be a jackass or prove I know everything, but I just talked to somebody who interacts with Devwah every day. He is not banged up or injured.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 31, 2017, 05:53:42 PM
Fuck it. I'm still keeping my prediction that he runs for 2 bills.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Clark on August 31, 2017, 06:35:47 PM
Fuck it. I'm still keeping my prediction that he runs for 2 bills.
Will not get enough touches in a game like this. For good reasons.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on August 31, 2017, 06:42:07 PM
J Red playing? I would lean toward sitting him.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on August 31, 2017, 06:50:29 PM
Will not get enough touches in a game like this. For good reasons.

He only needs 3 touches.  :stache:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Thin Red Swine on August 31, 2017, 06:54:03 PM
Piss = hot

I'm gonna be hungover for PT tomorrow, but it will be worth it.

Not if you don't quit.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Po Pimp on August 31, 2017, 07:22:29 PM
Can we just fire everybody right now?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: BASS on August 31, 2017, 07:24:01 PM
welp, this thread can go to crapola
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Tanny Bogus on September 01, 2017, 08:13:02 AM
J Red playing? I would lean toward sitting him.
Why don't we call him J Corn?  I've never understood that.  Everyone loves corn.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: bogeyfree on September 01, 2017, 08:39:09 AM
I'm not trying to be a jackass or prove I know everything, but I just talked to somebody who interacts with Devwah every day. He is not banged up or injured.
I don't know anything directly but the person who I know said that he was "banged up" interacts with him every day too.  He's a pretty good friend of Devwah's and is involved with the team.  He looked pretty good last night to me.  Hope he stays healthy all year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on September 13, 2017, 03:23:21 PM
At first I was like

(https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Boards/257/21257/39077.jpg)

Then I was like

(https://thatwasabitmental.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/major-league-pic-7.jpg)

 :beer:
And now we are all like
(http://worldseriesdreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/major-league-theyre-still-shitty.jpg)
 :(
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: kingofdequeen on September 13, 2017, 03:27:18 PM
Why don't we call him J Corn?  I've never understood that.  Everyone loves corn.

J-neral Cornrow Wallace.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Animal on November 04, 2017, 09:55:44 PM
With todays epic win over the best 1-8 team of all time the Hogs are now 4-5 with 3 games to go. We now are within grasp of our seasonal goal of six wins.

I'm sure we all agree that the Hogs will be focused and ready to go against the LSU Tigers.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on November 04, 2017, 09:57:06 PM
my gosh, it actually is mathematically possible for us to reach .500 this year.

That would be terrible.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 04, 2017, 09:58:30 PM
my gosh, it actually is mathematically possible for us to reach .500 this year.

That would be terrible.

I made my peace, re: horror, with it after the Auburn fiasco.

We get to .500 and fatass gets retained.

Embrace it.

Injuries, new QB, etc.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on November 04, 2017, 10:04:50 PM
my gosh, it actually is mathematically possible for us to reach .500 this year.

That would be terrible.

Just say no to drugs.

Who the Fuck are we going to beat? We barely beat a rent a win team, not a team like Troy, a clear rent a win team. It would be a miracle we beat Misery, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on November 04, 2017, 10:08:33 PM
Just say no to drugs.

Who the Fuck are we going to beat? We barely beat a rent a win team, not a team like Troy, a clear rent a win team. It would be a miracle we beat Misery, but I doubt it.

I know, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. We farted our way into a win against Ole Miss.

I have no doubt Ole Miss, who beat Kentucky tonight, would beat Coastal Carolina by 20 or more.

I'm just terrified Bret will waddle his way into somehow winning two of these last three, declare the season saved, fire Enos and Rhodes and just do it all over again next year.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on November 04, 2017, 10:12:01 PM
I know, but these things don't happen in a vacuum. We farted our way into a win against Ole Miss.

I have no doubt Ole Miss, who beat Kentucky tonight, would beat Coastal Carolina by 20 or more.

I'm just terrified Bret will waddle his way into somehow winning two of these last three, declare the season saved, fire Enos and Rhodes and just do it all over again next year.

Yeah, waddling is about right. We all know Bert hates to run.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 04, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
Oh we will play up to the next two teams on the schedule and then get fucking humiliated by Mizzou.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on November 04, 2017, 10:29:13 PM
Oh we will play up to the next two teams on the schedule and then get fucking humiliated by Mizzou.

Mizz is better than the next 2 teams. They can score touchdowns. No way we beat Miss St or Mizz but LSU is a toss up.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: HogofWar on November 04, 2017, 10:31:15 PM
Mizz is better than the next 2 teams. They can score touchdowns. No way we beat Miss St or Mizz but LSU is a toss up.

Guice is going to run for over two hundred yards on us alone. We are going to make Etling look like Brady.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on November 04, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
This was our last damn win. The only question is, do we let this quisling Jeffery weasel another year for Bag o'Donuts?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 04, 2017, 10:38:41 PM
Mizz is better than the next 2 teams. They can score touchdowns. No way we beat Miss St or Mizz but LSU is a toss up.
it's nice that you try to shroud your BB and Nutt bum cover with the Spacey excuses.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: big_pig on November 04, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
This was our last damn win. The only question is, do we let this quisling Jeffery weasel another year for Bag o'Donuts?

If Jeff tries to hire some loser retread coach/splash hire, then fire him. If he wants to play ball and bring a hot young offensive coach in, then he can stay. The hogs will win again and Boondoggle will remain unhappy.

Everyone wins.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on November 04, 2017, 10:56:26 PM
it's nice that you try to shroud your BB and Nutt bum cover with the Spacey excuses.

I’m sorry Toledo Nextfix and Chilled your butthole. Hopefully everyone understands we need to replace our head coach. You will always be remembered as being stinkholed first by the Toledo game. Dilley Dilley!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 04, 2017, 10:57:31 PM
If Jeff tries to hire some loser retread coach/splash hire, then fire him. If he wants to play ball and bring a hot young offensive coach in, then he can stay. The hogs will win again and Boondoggle will remain unhappy.

Everyone wins.

Boondoggle and Whyte Boar have it in the right gear.  This shitshow is part and parcel of a horrible system fed by some insane nonsense that someone needs to explain paid Broyles 3m to be old and senile and tell people we suck

All of these fucking loser BB buttboys - here on woopig - like to run them down, but they're saying the correct shit when it comes to how this fucking program is run.  They knew how we sucked when we sucked and didn't call it something else!  Well let's get into real state arguments triple dot Whyte Boar is a dumb.  Errrrrrr...nope

Some of you fuckers did.  The right way?

Let's get down to it the last five fucking years with these two and others.  and...errr bert clears his fat throat and says "obviously" before everything.  It's run to sell chicken legs. Oh well we little goy don't know what that's like and you other goy do so you know what it's like and how it's run.

FUCK That.

Whyte Boar and Boondoggle, don't give a fuck if they red wolve or not, speak some hard truths about this nutthouse.  It's not about winning.  ERR DERP and it never has been TCT.  Well fuck you running and anyway, where should my loyalties go?  It's there in concrete.  Money and whatnot going on generationally.  Kiss my ass and go home.

Just like Hollywood and their rapey, Talmud culture.

I pray to God that the Razorbacks aren't run by the same usury blood-magic JewTalmud cult that runs so much of the rest of this world.

You assholes know who you are.  Talking about how we have to be patient or better yet how Petrino had to fired.

Yeah, had to be fired for your Moloch fire god worship.  Fuck all y'all.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 04, 2017, 11:01:00 PM
I’m sorry Toledo Nextfix and Chilled your butthole. Hopefully everyone understands we need to replace our head coach. You will always be remembered as being stinkholed first by the Toledo game. Dilley Dilley!

I'm Mike Slive.  I tried to be Mike Slive on woopig.  I tired to be funny.  Instead I'm actually Mike Slive.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on November 04, 2017, 11:10:04 PM
Boondoggle and Whyte Boar have it in the right gear.  This shitshow is part and parcel of a horrible system fed by some insane nonsense that someone needs to explain paid Broyles 3m to be old and senile and tell people we suck

All of these fucking loser BB buttboys - here on woopig - like to run them down, but they're saying the correct shit when it comes to how this fucking program is run.  They knew how we sucked when we sucked and didn't call it something else!  Well let's get into real state arguments triple dot Whyte Boar is a dumb.  Errrrrrr...nope

Some of you fuckers did.  The right way?

Let's get down to it the last five fucking years with these two and others.  and...errr bert clears his fat throat and says "obviously" before everything.  It's run to sell chicken legs. Oh well we little goy don't know what that's like and you other goy do so you know what it's like and how it's run.

FUCK That.

Whyte Boar and Boondoggle, don't give a fuck if they red wolve or not, speak some hard truths about this nutthouse.  It's not about winning.  ERR DERP and it never has been TCT.  Well fuck you running and anyway, where should my loyalties go?  It's there in concrete.  Money and whatnot going on generationally.  Kiss my ass and go home.

Just like Hollywood and their rapey, Talmud culture.

I pray to God that the Razorbacks aren't run by the same usury blood-magic JewTalmud cult that runs so much of the rest of this world.

You assholes know who you are.  Talking about how we have to be patient or better yet how Petrino had to fired.

Yeah, had to be fired for your Moloch fire god worship.  Fuck all y'all.
 

(http://i.imgur.com/vXeq1JW.gif)
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: 1st_down_streak on November 04, 2017, 11:12:20 PM
I'm Mike Slive.  I tried to be Mike Slive on woopig.  I tired to be funny.  Instead I'm actually Mike Slive.
:teh_woopig: :teh_woopig: :teh_woopig:
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Mike Slive on November 05, 2017, 07:45:44 AM
I'm Mike Slive.  I tried to be Mike Slive on woopig.  I tired to be funny.  Instead I'm actually Mike Slive.

I’m The Cocaine Tiger. I tried to be The Meth Tiger on Woopig. I tired to be racist. Instead I’m actually racist.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: CoonrodTodd on November 05, 2017, 09:00:57 AM
Boondoggle and Whyte Boar have it in the right gear.  This shitshow is part and parcel of a horrible system fed by some insane nonsense that someone needs to explain paid Broyles 3m to be old and senile and tell people we suck

All of these fucking loser BB buttboys - here on woopig - like to run them down, but they're saying the correct shit when it comes to how this fucking program is run.  They knew how we sucked when we sucked and didn't call it something else!  Well let's get into real state arguments triple dot Whyte Boar is a dumb.  Errrrrrr...nope

Some of you fuckers did.  The right way?

Let's get down to it the last five fucking years with these two and others.  and...errr bert clears his fat throat and says "obviously" before everything.  It's run to sell chicken legs. Oh well we little goy don't know what that's like and you other goy do so you know what it's like and how it's run.

FUCK That.

Whyte Boar and Boondoggle, don't give a fuck if they red wolve or not, speak some hard truths about this nutthouse.  It's not about winning.  ERR DERP and it never has been TCT.  Well fuck you running and anyway, where should my loyalties go?  It's there in concrete.  Money and whatnot going on generationally.  Kiss my ass and go home.

Just like Hollywood and their rapey, Talmud culture.

I pray to God that the Razorbacks aren't run by the same usury blood-magic JewTalmud cult that runs so much of the rest of this world.

You assholes know who you are.  Talking about how we have to be patient or better yet how Petrino had to fired.

Yeah, had to be fired for your Moloch fire god worship.  Fuck all y'all.


I quit drinking in august.


Can anyone translate?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: FNG on November 05, 2017, 09:10:28 AM
Boondoggle and Whyte Boar have it in the right gear.  This shitshow is part and parcel of a horrible system fed by some insane nonsense that someone needs to explain paid Broyles 3m to be old and senile and tell people we suck

All of these fucking loser BB buttboys - here on woopig - like to run them down, but they're saying the correct shit when it comes to how this fucking program is run.  They knew how we sucked when we sucked and didn't call it something else!  Well let's get into real state arguments triple dot Whyte Boar is a dumb.  Errrrrrr...nope

Some of you fuckers did.  The right way?

Let's get down to it the last five fucking years with these two and others.  and...errr bert clears his fat throat and says "obviously" before everything.  It's run to sell chicken legs. Oh well we little goy don't know what that's like and you other goy do so you know what it's like and how it's run.

FUCK That.

Whyte Boar and Boondoggle, don't give a fuck if they red wolve or not, speak some hard truths about this nutthouse.  It's not about winning.  ERR DERP and it never has been TCT.  Well fuck you running and anyway, where should my loyalties go?  It's there in concrete.  Money and whatnot going on generationally.  Kiss my ass and go home.

Just like Hollywood and their rapey, Talmud culture.

I pray to God that the Razorbacks aren't run by the same usury blood-magic JewTalmud cult that runs so much of the rest of this world.

You assholes know who you are.  Talking about how we have to be patient or better yet how Petrino had to fired.

Yeah, had to be fired for your Moloch fire god worship.  Fuck all y'all.

Oy! Such a meshuggener this boy is.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: porksamich on November 05, 2017, 09:24:13 AM
Boondoggle and Whyte Boar have it in the right gear.  This shitshow is part and parcel of a horrible system fed by some insane nonsense that someone needs to explain paid Broyles 3m to be old and senile and tell people we suck

All of these fucking loser BB buttboys - here on woopig - like to run them down, but they're saying the correct shit when it comes to how this fucking program is run.  They knew how we sucked when we sucked and didn't call it something else!  Well let's get into real state arguments triple dot Whyte Boar is a dumb.  Errrrrrr...nope

Some of you fuckers did.  The right way?

Let's get down to it the last five fucking years with these two and others.  and...errr bert clears his fat throat and says "obviously" before everything.  It's run to sell chicken legs. Oh well we little goy don't know what that's like and you other goy do so you know what it's like and how it's run.

FUCK That.

Whyte Boar and Boondoggle, don't give a fuck if they red wolve or not, speak some hard truths about this nutthouse.  It's not about winning.  ERR DERP and it never has been TCT.  Well fuck you running and anyway, where should my loyalties go?  It's there in concrete.  Money and whatnot going on generationally.  Kiss my ass and go home.

Just like Hollywood and their rapey, Talmud culture.

I pray to God that the Razorbacks aren't run by the same usury blood-magic JewTalmud cult that runs so much of the rest of this world.

You assholes know who you are.  Talking about how we have to be patient or better yet how Petrino had to fired.

Yeah, had to be fired for your Moloch fire god worship.  Fuck all y'all.

Fuckin' A, man. A bunch of gotdamned child sacrificing pederasts around here.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boondoggle on November 05, 2017, 08:38:48 PM
Boondoggle and Whyte Boar have it in the right gear.  This shitshow is part and parcel of a horrible system fed by some insane nonsense that someone needs to explain paid Broyles 3m to be old and senile and tell people we suck

All of these fucking loser BB buttboys - here on woopig - like to run them down, but they're saying the correct shit when it comes to how this fucking program is run.  They knew how we sucked when we sucked and didn't call it something else!  Well let's get into real state arguments triple dot Whyte Boar is a dumb.  Errrrrrr...nope

Some of you fuckers did.  The right way?

Let's get down to it the last five fucking years with these two and others.  and...errr bert clears his fat throat and says "obviously" before everything.  It's run to sell chicken legs. Oh well we little goy don't know what that's like and you other goy do so you know what it's like and how it's run.

FUCK That.

Whyte Boar and Boondoggle, don't give a fuck if they red wolve or not, speak some hard truths about this nutthouse.  It's not about winning.  ERR DERP and it never has been TCT.  Well fuck you running and anyway, where should my loyalties go?  It's there in concrete.  Money and whatnot going on generationally.  Kiss my ass and go home.

Just like Hollywood and their rapey, Talmud culture.

I pray to God that the Razorbacks aren't run by the same usury blood-magic JewTalmud cult that runs so much of the rest of this world.

You assholes know who you are.  Talking about how we have to be patient or better yet how Petrino had to fired.

Yeah, had to be fired for your Moloch fire god worship.  Fuck all y'all.


I understand your pain. But I don't feel it any longer.

You know, I've been following the hogs, as far back as I can remember, since ca. 1963. (contrary to popular myth, I'm no ASU fan in any way, shape or form). Through the relatively good times, the 60s, 70s and 80s, Broyles  and Lou as HCs, I then endured JFB as AD, Kenny / Crowe / Kines / Ford and 10 fucking years of Hootie Dale Nutt, always with the eternal hope that someday, with the right coach, Arkansas would make it to the Promised Land.

You see, to be a devoted Arkansas fan is to take on a penance, or more precisely, it's an exercise in psychic self-mutilation, akin to monks flailing themselves while reciting the Bible. The agony and the ecstasy, but mainly agony over the past 35 years (since Lou got "burned out"). Lots of incredulous, drunken rages, ruined weekends, borderline depression, etc.  as each god damn tragicomedy unfolded on the field year after year. That kind of stuff will kill you.

And then, by accident, they hired BMFP out of the blue and I thought our prayers were answered, and they were, for a short time. I was still emotionally invested even after 10 fucking years of the Nutt embarrassment.

But then those stupid , arrogant motherfucking fraudsters up on the Hill up and fired him and pulled the rug out from under me. It was then that I realized that the bastards on the Hill didn't give a rat's ass about pleasing the fans. Never. They're all about stroking their own egos and lining their own pockets. But, other than withholding financial support, I had no more control over the idiots in power or their lemming fan base than I could control the moon. So I made up my mind that I would never, ever let those pompous, fraudulent cocksuckers dictate my emotional state or ruin another minute of my time. By God, if they were going to turn the program into a joke, I was going to laugh and heap ridicule on the powers that be and their brainless supporters. I laugh my ass off at the games now -- pure comedy gold, same as posters on the woopig. I mean, just look at how ridiculous it is, fat Bert, shaped like a pear now, comatose  on the sidelines, and everything else, it's a big farce playing out in front of us, of course I'm not contributing a dime towards it, so it's easy to laugh, but the fact that there are others who take it pretty damn serious and pay through the nose to humiliate themselves adds another layer of hilarity to the whole shit storm. As far as I'm concerned, since they fired Petrino, it's just entertainment, nothing more. To invest any pride in this program as it stands right now is just emotional self-flagellation -- maybe that's enjoyable to some.

Laughter...its the best medicine...and maybe a little Xanax.





Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boared Cynic on November 05, 2017, 08:47:07 PM
Boondoggle just needs a hug guys. I know deep down he still cares.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Snowman Slayer on November 05, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
Boondoggle and Whyte Boar have it in the right gear.  This shitshow is part and parcel of a horrible system fed by some insane nonsense that someone needs to explain paid Broyles 3m to be old and senile and tell people we suck

All of these fucking loser BB buttboys - here on woopig - like to run them down, but they're saying the correct shit when it comes to how this fucking program is run.  They knew how we sucked when we sucked and didn't call it something else!  Well let's get into real state arguments triple dot Whyte Boar is a dumb.  Errrrrrr...nope

Some of you fuckers did.  The right way?

Let's get down to it the last five fucking years with these two and others.  and...errr bert clears his fat throat and says "obviously" before everything.  It's run to sell chicken legs. Oh well we little goy don't know what that's like and you other goy do so you know what it's like and how it's run.

FUCK That.

Whyte Boar and Boondoggle, don't give a fuck if they red wolve or not, speak some hard truths about this nutthouse.  It's not about winning.  ERR DERP and it never has been TCT.  Well fuck you running and anyway, where should my loyalties go?  It's there in concrete.  Money and whatnot going on generationally.  Kiss my ass and go home.

Just like Hollywood and their rapey, Talmud culture.

I pray to God that the Razorbacks aren't run by the same usury blood-magic JewTalmud cult that runs so much of the rest of this world.

You assholes know who you are.  Talking about how we have to be patient or better yet how Petrino had to fired.

Yeah, had to be fired for your Moloch fire god worship.  Fuck all y'all.

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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Snowman Slayer on November 05, 2017, 09:07:07 PM
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Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on November 05, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Boondoggle just needs a hug guys. I know deep down he still cares.
 

He just wants to watch the world burn.
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Boondoggle on November 05, 2017, 09:09:29 PM
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Vitriol is its own reward...and therapeutic!!!
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: Das Uberschwein on November 11, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
How bout those basketball Hogs, though?
Title: Re: The "hey I'm not so gloom and doom about the Hogs" thread
Post by: hogtimate29 on November 12, 2017, 12:50:47 AM
damn right.