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Title: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bakervscarrr on November 12, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
Here it is. Whatever.

https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/11/12/16639780/feel-the-rhythm


Brought to you once again this week courtesy of Bob Marley, Tito's Vodka, and the unholy wickedness of a patiently blinking cursor. Equal parts siren song and battle cry, the cursor simultaneously calls for words and mocks their absence with metronomic consistency. It does not care how lost the team is. It does not care how lost the season is. It does not care how lost the program is. It does not care how much the writer simply does not care anymore. The blinking cursor calls for response. It calls for reaction. It calls for content.

I've got nothing.

My seven-year-old just climbed into my lap and read the first paragraph.

“That has nothing to do with sports. Why don't you write something about sports?”

I told him I'd love to, but I have no idea what to say that hasn't been said many times before.

He said “Why don't you write about my calculator watch?”

It doesn't take a calculator watch to determine that the Battle for the Boot was another catastrophic loss for the Arkansas Razorbacks. The numbers aren't large enough. TJ Hammonds, the best and most explosive player on the team, touched the football three times. The offense produced one solitary touchdown. The team lost its sixth game of the season, and its fifth by at least three touchdowns. Arkansas has played ten games this season, and has lost half of them by 21 points or more.

That is worse than 2013. Worse than 2012. Worse than 2008 or 2005 or 2004. This is maybe the worst Arkansas team of my lifetime. You don't need a calculator to figure that. You don't even need an abacus. You just need your eyes. All of those teams were bad, and they all had more talent and more purpose than this team. Injuries have hurt, no doubt, but much more damaging has been this team's complete lack of an identity. They have no blueprint to winning a football game. They have received no leadership in obtaining that blueprint. They are a rudderless ship, adrift at sea, with a captain incapable of handling the wheel and a crew left wondering what the hell to do. It's hard to watch.

It's hard to watch because, at this point in a season that is to be immediately forgotten, fans watch to find hope in the future. There is no hope to be found in 2017 because the future is so murky. In 2013 and 2008 you could see an identity being formed, and though they were bad seasons, you could see the new pieces and new leadership laying a path forward. 2012 was a lost season, and it was awful, but it was tolerable only because the fan base knew that change was guaranteed. 2005 was miserable, but Darren McFadden and Felix Jones provided hope for the future. 2004 may be the season closest to 2017, the first season of Houston Nutt's infamous two-year pass, but even in 2004 fans got to experience Matt Jones in his senior season. He was exciting. He made fun things happen. TJ Hammonds had touchdowns of 60 yards and 88 yards a week ago, and he touched the football three times at LSU.

Three times. Left with only hope in the future to sell, Bret Bielema inexplicably refuses to do even that.

This is just one reason why he must be let go. The Razorbacks cannot return to respectability immediately, but hope to achieve that in the near future should be mandatory. Bielema is not delivering that at the moment, and what's worse, appears to be making little effort in that endeavor. That is what is turning Razorback Stadium into an empty construction site instead of a weekend destination. That is what is freeing up so many Saturdays across the Natural State. That is why I just can't find it in myself to give a damn. And why you probably can't, either.

Bret Bielema must go. Arkansas football cannot survive another season like this. It needs to be written in every publication and spoken on every radio show. It needs to be made clear. There needs to be no doubt. This fan base needs its Saturday joy back, or at the very least its hope. Right now it has neither, and that feels as menacing as that blinking cursor.

I'll see y'all next week.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: mde114 on November 12, 2017, 10:59:30 AM
Clicked and duly noted.

I’d agree this is the worst Razorback team, hell it may be the worst SEC team, I’ve seen.
Long and Bert should be ashamed of what the Razorback football program has become.



Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Snausage on November 12, 2017, 11:02:46 AM
I'll be honest Trent, this might be one of your best write ups yet. You perfectly summarized how I feel at the moment.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Jostlyn McCocksack on November 12, 2017, 11:09:29 AM
I thought this would
Have only nine words:


Tito's

Get rid of him

See you next week
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: EastArkHog on November 12, 2017, 11:12:02 AM
Thanks for a good write up, we as fans deserve a better product that Beilama just can't provide, somewhere along the way he got lost and can't find a way to fix it...

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Barton Fink on November 12, 2017, 11:19:15 AM
I have the feeling you could do a lot of copy and pasting the next couple weeks.

Good work nonetheless!
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Son_of_Spam on November 12, 2017, 11:20:39 AM
Great write up as usual, Trent. And, I, too, have nothing......
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: ArkGuy on November 12, 2017, 11:35:26 AM
Compare this fine work with Lil Wally's absolute waste of several column inches.  No anaysys, no opinion, no emotion. Just a warmed over game summary.  He's just going through the motions while things play out.  Just like Bert and Long.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Boondoggle on November 12, 2017, 11:48:28 AM
You keep leaving Jeff Long out of the kicked out the door scenario...why?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: BASS on November 12, 2017, 11:51:18 AM
the staff looks like they don't give a shit.  like they aren't trying, they know everyone else knows, and they just don't give a shit.  seems as though a lot of the players are taking on the same attitude as their fearless leaders. 

a staff that provides no leadership, no teaching, no coaching, no discipline...beyond football, how is that in the best interest the 115 young men they have under their tutelage?  how is this staff "taking care of these young men" and teaching them "how to be men?  it is embarrassing.  they should all negotiate buyouts and resign immediately.  let the baseball staff coach these guys the last 2 weeks or something, it won't matter. 

good leaders lead by example.  they lead with discipline knowing their vision of what to come is in everyone's best interest.  they never accept credit, giving it all to their subordinates, and they always take blame, even when it's not their fault and something out of their control.  they have mutual respect for all vested parties, and themselves, and command the same of their subordinates.  this team, program, and administration is led by completely incompetent people doing the exact opposite of what they should.  "player's coach" is a nice way of saying he's a bad leader; like the parents that want to be their kids' best friends, you end up with a dysfunctional product in the long run.  and that's what the program is. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: schweinhund on November 12, 2017, 11:55:43 AM
It's probably just optimism, but the complete and utter lack of any drive or spark on this team makes me think Bert has already been told he's on the way out.  He's not a good coach, but shirley no one can actually be this bad.  Not saying it isn't possible that we've collapsed this far despite the coaches actually trying, but nothing about this team makes me think anyone really is trying. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Thin Red Swine on November 12, 2017, 11:57:38 AM
But Bert said TJ's opportunities are coming. 

Maybe we're saving him for the Liberty Bowl. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: hogsrunwild on November 12, 2017, 11:58:43 AM
I don't think it is a matter of 'we can't allow another season of this', I think it is a matter of 'we can't allow another game of this'.  Every fucking game that this lazy sack of shit is on the sidelines further tears down what players we do have that might not suck under the next coach.  When shit performance is allowed and accepted, it seeps into the brain and becomes ok to not try.  That is hard to root out once it has taken hold.  You can not let him finish the season if you want a hope of having the players be of any use to the next coach.  Letting him finish out the year will literally add a year to whatever rebuild the next coach must perform. 


Fire is fucking ass and if Long won't do it, fire him too.  This type of shit can not be tolerated if you ever want to recover.  Kelly's arrest is just another sign that there is zero give a fuck on the coaches and it has spread to the players.


Fire them all.


I wish the worst for Bret.  I mean the worst.  He isn't just losing, he is stealing a salary and stealing a future for these young men he was entrusted with to lead.  Fuck him.  I hope him the absolute worst. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 12, 2017, 12:04:05 PM
It's probably just optimism, but the complete and utter lack of any drive or spark on this team makes me think Bert has already been told he's on the way out.  He's not a good coach, but shirley no one can actually be this bad.  Not saying it isn't possible that we've collapsed this far despite the coaches actually trying, but nothing about this team makes me think anyone really is trying.

God I hope so. Hearing Butch Jones being fired, scares me that we will lose on Norvell or a decent coach. Hopefully Long is already taking to Norvell's agent and just waiting to ask for permission to talk to Norvell.

Long does not give me hope, but maybe Tito will.

Great write up as usual Trent.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: BASS on November 12, 2017, 12:09:05 PM
witnessing what bielema and long are doing to this program; i imagine this is how a cuckold feels after he's forced to sit in the corner and watch his wife gang bang all of his friends while they make fun of him and then jizz all over him when they are finished with her.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Son_of_Spam on November 12, 2017, 12:12:50 PM
I think what worries me most is the fact that the coach and staff have obviously given up. Is this what you want your kids to learn? When the writing is on the wall, you just give up and quit? I would want my kids to learn that no matter how bad it seems, try harder. Keep going. Seems we have all given up.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Boared Cynic on November 12, 2017, 12:17:25 PM
It's infuriating he's still the coach. We're losing our recruiting class and our chances of prospective replacements every second Bert is the coach.

We have nothing to gain sitting on our hands. But Long can't go back on his word of no firings in-season now, oh no.
 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Boondoggle on November 12, 2017, 12:17:32 PM
God I hope so. Hearing Butch Jones being fired, scares me that we will lose on Norvell or a decent coach. Hopefully Long is already taking to Norvell's agent and just waiting to ask for permission to talk to Norvell.

Long does not give me hope, but maybe Tito will.

Great write up as usual Trent.


No, no, that's not the right thing to do.

Long says we have to wait and see how the season plays out before he throws Bert under the bus to save his job. Give Bert a chance.

Once Norvell is safely hired away by some other program, Long will punch up Lester on the speed dial to see how his note is coming along.

#INTEGRITY!

 :sick:

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 12, 2017, 12:29:09 PM
It's infuriating he's still the coach. We're losing our recruiting class and our chances of prospective replacements every second Bert is the coach.

We have nothing to gain sitting on our hands. But Long can't go back on his word of no firings in-season now, oh no.
On the other hand, TN fires Jones today and then 2 of their recruits de-commit.

Here’s an example of what happens/can happen when you fire guys early and leave recruits hanging: 

Tennessee commit Tanner Ingle says Butch Jones told him to 'find a place to go, quickly'  #UT #Vols

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Nolapigz on November 12, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
Jesus H, that is some great writing for a column that could not have been easy to write.  You nailed it.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Nolapigz on November 12, 2017, 12:43:09 PM
It's infuriating he's still the coach. We're losing our recruiting class and our chances of prospective replacements every second Bert is the coach.

We have nothing to gain sitting on our hands. But Long can't go back on his word of no firings in-season now, oh no.
I have to think that as soon as we are mathematically eliminated from a bowl he is gone.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 12, 2017, 12:44:48 PM
I have to think that as soon as we are mathematically eliminated from a bowl he is gone.
But we won’t be mathematically eliminated until our 8th loss.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Nolapigz on November 12, 2017, 12:46:14 PM
But we won’t be mathematically eliminated until our 8th loss.
I thought it was six wins to get a bowl. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: ArkGuy on November 12, 2017, 12:49:58 PM
I think when there are not enough 6-6 teams to fill the most crappy of bowls there is a protecol for picking 5-7 teams
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 12, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
I thought it was six wins to get a bowl.

We have to eliminate moral victories as well.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 12, 2017, 12:52:36 PM
I think when there are not enough 6-6 teams to fill the most crappy of bowls there is a protector for picking 5-7 teams
Yep
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Red Death on November 12, 2017, 12:55:17 PM
I want him fired today so I can start rooting for the kids. I’m not rooting for this team to win while that fat sack of crap stands dumbfounded on the sidelines.

I won’t do it.  I can’t.  40 years of die hard fandom and Burt and Long have ripped it away.

Fire him.  Give us hope and let us root for the team.  I’m done with Bielema football and want him humiliated and disgraced because that’s what he deserves.  And if you support anything he’s associated with you deserve it too.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: upine on November 12, 2017, 01:01:08 PM
Bert is AIDS to our program.

See you next week.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: flash23 on November 12, 2017, 01:05:09 PM
I was against firing him mid-season up until the Coastal Carolina, probably due to just apathy. But good grief, we are so bad. There's nothing I can add that you haven't already perfectly said. We are not good anywhere. Santos Ramerez is saying players are giving up, Cole Kelly is driving drunk on Sunday morning. Fire him yesterday.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 12, 2017, 01:06:19 PM
Bert is AIDS to our program.

See you next week.

No, he is more like an huge abscess that needs to be surgically removed or squeezed out. The sooner the better,
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 12, 2017, 01:06:28 PM
Yep

I know this is going to be a shock to everyone, given our focus on academics and integrity, but our APR isn’t going to be high enough to get us to a bowl on the off chance that Missouri’s team boycotts the last game and we get to 5-7 by forfeit. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 12, 2017, 01:08:47 PM
I know this is going to be a shock to everyone, given our focus on academics and integrity, but our APR isn’t going to be high enough to get us to a bowl on the off chance that Missouri’s team boycotts the last game and we get to 5-7 by forfeit.

Why would they boycott playing the game? Shirley, it is not because they would be forced to take that Borderline Erotic Trophy back with them when they win?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 12, 2017, 01:09:54 PM
Why would they boycott playing the game? Shirley, it is not because they would be forced to take that Borderline Erotic Trophy back with them when they win?

Burt might waddle up there and crank out a shit swastika in the black part of town or something. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: upine on November 12, 2017, 01:17:22 PM
No, he is more like an huge abscess that needs to be surgically removed or squeezed out. The sooner the better,

How about all of the above?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 12, 2017, 01:25:30 PM
How about all of the above?

Concur.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Red Death on November 12, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
I’d like to take this time and point something out for the future when we finally cut the fat:

When the next coach is hired understand that it doesn’t take 5 years to right the ship. If anyone tells you this nonsense punch them in the face.  Miami was dogshit and Richt has them #3 in year 2. It doesn’t take long with the right coach.  If someone tries this argument understand we have hired the wrong guy.  It’s painful, I understand but is a possibility.  Trust your gut.  And there are a lot of sycophants and liars on this board and other places who did that with the current piece of crap, ignoring all evidence, even when it was clear to the blindest of men. 

Oh and attached to that, ignore all catchphrases and other slick marketing ploys like “build it the right way”, “uncommon” and “integrity”.  They are all bullshit and meant to sucker dumb asses, which unfortunately are all over the place including dear old woopig.  There is only one way to build a program and that’s by winning games  for fucks sake.  Catchphrases are for losers and salesmen.  Avoid at all costs. 

We all see clearly now the intentions of those who were lying to us.  We’ve been had folks. And I think we need to be extra careful going forward because there are people who don’t love our beloved program and wish to destroy it’s fighting spirit for their own profit.  No more.  They got us once but it’s time to take back the program and never let it happen again. 

Sincerely.

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Boared Cynic on November 12, 2017, 01:56:24 PM
I think by 3 years is enough to tell you about what kind of coach you have. Not saying the coach gotta win you the natty in 3 years, only you'll tell if he's capable.

We should have known then at the Toledo loss. I was infuriated then but eventually dismissed it a fluke and got back on board.

It was no fluke.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: upine on November 12, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
I’d like to take this time and point something out for the future when we finally cut the fat:

When the next coach is hired understand that it doesn’t take 5 years to right the ship. If anyone tells you this nonsense punch them in the face.  Miami was dogshit and Richt has them #3 in year 2. It doesn’t take long with the right coach.  If someone tries this argument understand we have hired the wrong guy.  It’s painful, I understand but is a possibility.  Trust your gut.  And there are a lot of sycophants and liars on this board and other places who did that with the current piece of crap, ignoring all evidence, even when it was clear to the blindest of men. 

Oh and attached to that, ignore all catchphrases and other slick marketing ploys like “build it the right way”, “uncommon” and “integrity”.  They are all bullshit and meant to sucker dumb asses, which unfortunately are all over the place including dear old woopig.  There is only one way to build a program and that’s by winning games  for fucks sake.  Catchphrases are for losers and salesmen.  Avoid at all costs. 

We all see clearly now the intentions of those who were lying to us.  We’ve been had folks. And I think we need to be extra careful going forward because there are people who don’t love our beloved program and wish to destroy it’s fighting spirit for their own profit.  No more.  They got us once but it’s time to take back the program and never let it happen again. 

Sincerely.

With some exceptions, I believe that by year 3 there should be enough evidence to see if a head coach is going to succeed. Year 3 for Weeble-Wooble, we underachieved with his best team.

Honestly, it could be shown in year 1 that he wasn't going to pan out. We were lenient and assumed the narrative. The reality was truth, not the false narrative of a lack of talent. Maybe a lack of depth, but not talent.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: abypfcs on November 12, 2017, 02:00:30 PM
I’d like to take this time and point something out for the future when we finally cut the fat:

When the next coach is hired understand that it doesn’t take 5 years to right the ship. If anyone tells you this nonsense punch them in the face.  Miami was dogshit and Richt has them #3 in year 2. It doesn’t take long with the right coach.  If someone tries this argument understand we have hired the wrong guy.  It’s painful, I understand but is a possibility.  Trust your gut.  And there are a lot of sycophants and liars on this board and other places who did that with the current piece of crap, ignoring all evidence, even when it was clear to the blindest of men. 

Oh and attached to that, ignore all catchphrases and other slick marketing ploys like “build it the right way”, “uncommon” and “integrity”.  They are all bullshit and meant to sucker dumb asses, which unfortunately are all over the place including dear old woopig.  There is only one way to build a program and that’s by winning games  for fucks sake.  Catchphrases are for losers and salesmen.  Avoid at all costs. 

We all see clearly now the intentions of those who were lying to us.  We’ve been had folks. And I think we need to be extra careful going forward because there are people who don’t love our beloved program and wish to destroy it’s fighting spirit for their own profit.  No more.  They got us once but it’s time to take back the program and never let it happen again. 

Sincerely.
Many variables in determining how long it might take to turn a program around.  Existing talent, type of offense and defense the coach subscribes to, and current level of competition can all be factors.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 12, 2017, 02:15:28 PM
I’d like to take this time and point something out for the future when we finally cut the fat:

When the next coach is hired understand that it doesn’t take 5 years to right the ship. If anyone tells you this nonsense punch them in the face.  Miami was dogshit and Richt has them #3 in year 2. It doesn’t take long with the right coach.  If someone tries this argument understand we have hired the wrong guy.  It’s painful, I understand but is a possibility.  Trust your gut.  And there are a lot of sycophants and liars on this board and other places who did that with the current piece of crap, ignoring all evidence, even when it was clear to the blindest of men. 

Oh and attached to that, ignore all catchphrases and other slick marketing ploys like “build it the right way”, “uncommon” and “integrity”.  They are all bullshit and meant to sucker dumb asses, which unfortunately are all over the place including dear old woopig.  There is only one way to build a program and that’s by winning games  for fucks sake.  Catchphrases are for losers and salesmen.  Avoid at all costs. 

We all see clearly now the intentions of those who were lying to us.  We’ve been had folks. And I think we need to be extra careful going forward because there are people who don’t love our beloved program and wish to destroy it’s fighting spirit for their own profit.  No more.  They got us once but it’s time to take back the program and never let it happen again. 

Sincerely.
Got it no catchphrases. What about Turnover chains?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Red Death on November 12, 2017, 02:25:06 PM
Got it no catchphrases. What about Turnover chains?

If we were #3 in the BCS we could get Turnover sex bots for all I care. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 12, 2017, 02:44:12 PM
If we were #3 in the BCS we could get Turnover sex bots for all I care.

 :shocker:
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 12, 2017, 02:46:43 PM
If we were #3 in the BCS we could get Turnover sex bots for all I care.
;D
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bigghurtt on November 12, 2017, 03:50:02 PM
Here it is. Whatever.

https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/11/12/16639780/feel-the-rhythm

...another brilliant and insightful masterwork perspective on the gaping abyss...


You’re doing the Lord’s work. I couldn’t muster myself to write anything meaningful about this team if I had to at this point, and you continue to bring the perfect analysis, metaphor and emotional anchor for the shambling wreck we’re genetically bound to witness, week after week.

God gave us angels.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: IH8LSU on November 12, 2017, 04:01:29 PM
Compare this fine work with Lil Wally's absolute waste of several column inches.  No anaysys, no opinion, no emotion. Just a warmed over game summary.  He's just going through the motions while things play out.  Just like Bert and Long.
By saying, "while things play out", do you mean his eventual retirement?  :D He's been writing columns that bad his entire career imho. That was a hard 800 words to get through.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Show-Me Hog on November 12, 2017, 04:07:31 PM
By saying, "while things play out", do you mean his eventual retirement?  :D He's been writing columns that bad his entire career imho. That was a hard 800 words to get through.

He always writes half-assed game summaries as his column on Sunday. He waits for later in the week for his "think pieces."

Yes I know that his think pieces are kind of first grade.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Red Death on November 12, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
This is how lazy Wally’s writing is:  “But this one is a home game (Ms.State) for the Hogs and the crowd can help.”  We got torched at home by TCU and Auburn this year and were lucky to “survive and advance” last week against the Chanticleers. We have no home field advantage you moron.

So sure Walls just like against Coastal Carolina the crowd can help cheer for the other team. And I know you lurk here so be proud you can get something so generic and lazy in a statewide newspaper.  It is a blind, deaf and dumb statement which completely ignores reality.  In fact, that’s exactly how I would describe your “column” on the reg.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Boondoggle on November 12, 2017, 06:17:20 PM
I’d like to take this time and point something out for the future when we finally cut the fat:

When the next coach is hired understand that it doesn’t take 5 years to right the ship. If anyone tells you this nonsense punch them in the face.  Miami was dogshit and Richt has them #3 in year 2. It doesn’t take long with the right coach.  If someone tries this argument understand we have hired the wrong guy.  It’s painful, I understand but is a possibility.  Trust your gut.  And there are a lot of sycophants and liars on this board and other places who did that with the current piece of crap, ignoring all evidence, even when it was clear to the blindest of men. 

Oh and attached to that, ignore all catchphrases and other slick marketing ploys like “build it the right way”, “uncommon” and “integrity”.  They are all bullshit and meant to sucker dumb asses, which unfortunately are all over the place including dear old woopig.  There is only one way to build a program and that’s by winning games  for fucks sake.  Catchphrases are for losers and salesmen.  Avoid at all costs. 

We all see clearly now the intentions of those who were lying to us.  We’ve been had folks. And I think we need to be extra careful going forward because there are people who don’t love our beloved program and wish to destroy it’s fighting spirit for their own profit.  No more.  They got us once but it’s time to take back the program and never let it happen again. 

Sincerely.


The next coach may well have a bigger dumpster fire on his hands with this current collection of gold brickers than Petrino had after 2 years of Nutt actively sabotaging recruiting.

That's what #INTEGRITY! buys you.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Dr. HawgLove on November 12, 2017, 06:19:17 PM
When someone finally shit cans this fat turd he will have the same stupid, bewildered look on his red face.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: jethro on November 12, 2017, 06:32:23 PM
Honestly,I know the hip thing to say is I never wanted, never believed, never whatever, but by end of second season I though I could see where we were headed.  We were tough, physical,  People hated playing us cos it took everything out of them.  Couple of shutouts.  Then we won , what, 8 out of 9 straight or something.  There was hope to sell at that point.  We had an identity.  And a good one.

What is hard to understand is where we fell from fighters who win or lose, lined up and played tough, to ...whatever it is we are now?

It is a  conundrum.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Show-Me Hog on November 12, 2017, 07:02:12 PM
Honestly,I know the hip thing to say is I never wanted, never believed, never whatever, but by end of second season I though I could see where we were headed.  We were tough, physical,  People hated playing us cos it took everything out of them.  Couple of shutouts.  Then we won , what, 8 out of 9 straight or something.  There was hope to sell at that point.  We had an identity.  And a good one.

What is hard to understand is where we fell from fighters who win or lose, lined up and played tough, to ...whatever it is we are now?

It is a  conundrum.

That's the thing.  I could SEE things were headed the right way. The first cracks I started seeing in the armor where when we started having problems getting push against even rent-a-wins on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1.

Since then it's been like cancer -- sometimes invisible, sometimes in remission, but always there and on some days making you feel like absolute shit.  Until the Auburn game last year and then the last 2 game and all of this year, it's been full blown and it's been a snowball hurtling downhill towards death.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: big_pig on November 12, 2017, 07:04:29 PM
Toledo, to me was an aberration.

I looked at the 2015 LSU game as the standard. We went to their place and embarrassed them running and passing, stuffing them at will on defense. It was masterful.

Turns out that was the aberration and Toledo was the norm.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 12, 2017, 07:15:26 PM
Toledo, to me was an aberration.

I looked at the 2015 LSU game as the standard. We went to their place and embarrassed them running and passing, stuffing them at will on defense. It was masterful.

Turns out that was the aberration and Toledo was the norm.
Hell, we had over 500yds offense vs Toledo. We couldn’t get that now vs anyone.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: MoPork on November 12, 2017, 07:23:54 PM
Honestly,I know the hip thing to say is I never wanted, never believed, never whatever, but by end of second season I though I could see where we were headed.  We were tough, physical,  People hated playing us cos it took everything out of them.  Couple of shutouts.  Then we won , what, 8 out of 9 straight or something.  There was hope to sell at that point.  We had an identity.  And a good one.

What is hard to understand is where we fell from fighters who win or lose, lined up and played tough, to ...whatever it is we are now?

It is a  conundrum.
this is me. We started off 2015 2-4. After the Bama game we had a week off. We played Auburn and won. From that Auburn game until the Ole Miss game the next year we were 11-3. And we played some tough teams. So our 5-2 top 20 ranked Hogs headed to Auburn to play the team that we started looking right against. After that Ole Miss game in 2016 I felt really good about our program. Then Auburn killed us. Anal raped us...dry. We’ve never recovered. Yeah we beat Florida the next game....but Florida SUCKED. We were done after Auburn 2016. Gus mind fucked us and we have never recovered
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 12, 2017, 07:33:05 PM
this is me. We started off 2015 2-4. After the Bama game we had a week off. We played Auburn and won. From that Auburn game until the Ole Miss game the next year we were 11-3. And we played some tough teams. So our 5-2 top 20 ranked Hogs headed to Auburn to play the team that we started looking right against. After that Ole Miss game in 2016 I felt really good about our program. Then Auburn killed us. Anal raped us...dry. We’ve never recovered. Yeah we beat Florida the next game....but Florida SUCKED. We were done after Auburn 2016. Gus mind fucked us and we have never recovered

The Hogs were never good once Burt replaced Pittman with a useless NFL GA.  Allen was never any good after getting hurt - mentally and physically - in that Auburn game. 

I'd say Burt's biggest weakness was inability to identify and/or unwillingness to play the best player at every position.  Following closely behind that was his unwillingness or inability to hire quality assistants.  That's kind of a mixed bag, as I still think Enos and Rhoads are good coaches, but the rest of his recent hires have been garbage on a good day.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on November 12, 2017, 07:42:28 PM
Bottom line,his teams don't know how to win, period. There are key moments in a game, where the outcome can be greatly affected. His teams piss down their leg more than they step up. That comes from a coach not instilling a winning culture, which is hard and which ain't happening here. The players can say what they want but they stopped buying in a 100% last year and there is no real reason to not fire him right now.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: MoPork on November 12, 2017, 07:47:48 PM
Bottom line,his teams don't know how to win, period. There are key moments in a game, where the outcome can be greatly affected. His teams piss down their leg more than they step up. That comes from a coach not instilling a winning culture, which is hard and which ain't happening here. The players can say what they want but they stopped buying in a 100% last year and there is no real reason to not fire him right now.
I agree 100%
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: billy_ocean_fan on November 12, 2017, 07:50:28 PM
When someone finally shit cans this fat turd he will have the same stupid, bewildered look on his red face.

I wonder if he will pay his bar tabs and bookies before skipping out. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: SpiderHam on November 12, 2017, 07:59:33 PM
Hell, we had over 500yds offense vs Toledo. We couldn’t get that now vs anyone. air.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Jean_Lafitte on November 12, 2017, 08:21:24 PM
Here's a tweet from somebody who is talking about the players socializing after the game and saying that Coach Bielema  is going to be fired. Is that how ya'll read it? The players were partying and talking about knowing that Coach B is getting fired?

https://twitter.com/CMorse418/status/929606358307131392 (https://twitter.com/CMorse418/status/929606358307131392)
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Buffinator on November 12, 2017, 08:24:29 PM
Here's a tweet from somebody who is talking about the players socializing after the game and saying that Coach Bielema  is going to be fired. Is that how ya'll read it? The players were partying and talking about knowing that Coach B is getting fired?

https://twitter.com/CMorse418/status/929606358307131392 (https://twitter.com/CMorse418/status/929606358307131392)

Cole Kelly buying shots for the bar?  How old is the dude?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Mike Slive on November 12, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
Cole Kelly buying shots for the bar?  How old is the dude?

It new under Bert. 100 shot handshakes.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Red Death on November 12, 2017, 08:41:55 PM
That is so cool.  If this is true I’m changing my mind about the Louisiana Steamer. And that police officer should be ashamed of himself. 

He was right doing community service. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 12, 2017, 09:03:21 PM
Bottom line,his teams don't know how to win, period. There are key moments in a game, where the outcome can be greatly affected. His teams piss down their leg more than they step up. That comes from a coach not instilling a winning culture, which is hard and which ain't happening here. The players can say what they want but they stopped buying in a 100% last year and there is no real reason to not fire him right now.

Jeffy won't pull the trigger so as to not cause more drama and trauma than is already extant.

Make no mistake, this is going to be a retooling worse than Bobby the Great had to do.  Petrion had the unfortunate luck to have to do it while the other coach was in his same division.  Talk about a tough first year.

The coach who does that is going to have to be single minded about it, in the way that BMFP was, which means that he will piss off a ton of people.  Bert has kissed ass and glad handed all the types that Nutt did, but he couldn't get the results that Nutt did.  That's why this flipflop motherfucker gonna get gone: couldn't win like Nutt did.  Good lord.

If the new coach can win and keep his dick and nose clean then it will work.  The second that motherfucker goes off the dickrail then he will be gone like last Sunday.  He has his work cut out for him.

Fortunately, Les Miles is used to that sort of bullshit and can recruit like a motherfucker.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Pumpkin Escobar on November 12, 2017, 09:49:30 PM


Fortunately, Les Miles is used to that sort of bullshit and can recruit like a motherfucker.
 

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Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Jean_Lafitte on November 12, 2017, 10:23:11 PM
Cole Kelly buying shots for the bar?  How old is the dude?

He's under age. Only 20 according to the arrest report for DWI.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/12/arizona-qb-cole-kelley-arrested-for-drunk-driving.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/12/arizona-qb-cole-kelley-arrested-for-drunk-driving.html)
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 13, 2017, 01:24:27 AM
I think when there are not enough 6-6 teams to fill the most crappy of bowls there is a protecol for picking 5-7 teams

Didn't we beat one of those teams to pad Berts bowl record?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 13, 2017, 01:28:26 AM
Many variables in determining how long it might take to turn a program around.  Existing talent, type of offense and defense the coach subscribes to, and current level of competition can all be factors.

Kind of like when we hired Petrino. No existing talent, total change in offensive philosophy, SEC as tough as ever, and BCS in year 3. Got it.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HawgRockCafe on November 13, 2017, 04:11:16 AM
He's under age. Only 20 according to the arrest report for DWI.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/12/arizona-qb-cole-kelley-arrested-for-drunk-driving.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/12/arizona-qb-cole-kelley-arrested-for-drunk-driving.html)

LOL at the URL.  ::)
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Thin Red Swine on November 13, 2017, 05:07:30 AM
LOL at the URL.  ::)

Erin Andrews wrote it?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: dour countenance on November 13, 2017, 09:24:48 AM
The Hogs were never good once Burt replaced Pittman with a useless NFL GA.  Allen was never any good after getting hurt - mentally and physically - in that Auburn game. 

I'd say Burt's biggest weakness was inability to identify and/or unwillingness to play the best player at every position.  Following closely behind that was his unwillingness or inability to hire quality assistants.  That's kind of a mixed bag, as I still think Enos and Rhoads are good coaches, but the rest of his recent hires have been garbage on a good day.

I agree.  Our lack of physicality can be directly tied to losing Pittman.  Don't forget he also probably would have brought in JUCO Garrett Boles (currently starting tackle for the Broncos) in 2016 if he would have stayed.  And maybe Kirkland would have stayed too.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: arkansawyer on November 13, 2017, 09:41:07 AM
I agree.  Our lack of physicality can be directly tied to losing Pittman.  Don't forget he also probably would have brought in JUCO Garrett Boles (currently starting tackle for the Broncos) in 2016 if he would have stayed.  And maybe Kirkland would have stayed too.

Pittman didn't coach the defensive line. Or the linebackers. Or the corners. Or the safety's. Or the special teams.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: dour countenance on November 13, 2017, 09:55:04 AM
Pittman didn't coach the defensive line. Or the linebackers. Or the corners. Or the safety's. Or the special teams.

Those don't get exposed when we control the ball.  Plus the defense was tougher when they go up against that type of offense in practice.  Our 2014 defense was really good and that was a Pittman/Cheney smashmouth team.  Our best under this coach.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tanny Bogus on November 13, 2017, 10:08:05 AM
Compare this fine work with Lil Wally's absolute waste of several column inches.  No anaysys, no opinion, no emotion. Just a warmed over game summary.  He's just going through the motions while things play out.  Just like Bert and Long.
How is that different from ANY of Wally's columns?  He writes like a grade school kid following a book report template.  Make initial statement, write a little about that, add some filler/homegrown BS analogies, then close by basically repeating the first paragraph.  Trent writes circles around the guy even when he doesn't have the motivation. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Razor B on November 13, 2017, 10:34:22 AM
How is that different from ANY of Wally's columns?  He writes like a grade school kid following a book report template.  Make initial statement, write a little about that, add some filler/homegrown BS analogies, then close by basically repeating the first paragraph.  Trent writes circles around the guy even when he doesn't have the motivation.

The worst line of his that I still remember was at a Touchdown Club or some event like that.  There were a lot of well known coaches in the same room and he wrote "That if you'd added rice you would have had a coaching buffet."  Seriously Wally?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: abypfcs on November 13, 2017, 10:54:01 AM
Kind of like when we hired Petrino. No existing talent, total change in offensive philosophy, SEC as tough as ever, and BCS in year 3. Got it.
So you are saying the next coach better have us in a BCS bowl by year 3 or he should be done.  Got it.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: MoPork on November 13, 2017, 11:01:05 AM
I don’t agree with those saying the talent level isn’t there. That’s simply not true. Devwah Whaley is a good running back. Chase Hayden and T.J. Hammonds are both potentially home run hitters at RB. The offensive line is full of talent. Look at their offers. No way they are all busts. We have a good stable of QBs. We have several good wide receivers. Brandon Martin was offered by tons of stout programs. Saban offered Jordan Jones. We have a stockpile of offensive talent honestly. BMFP would have the team scoring 40 a game. I’m being serious.

The defense isn’t the greatest but it’s way better than what we’ve shown. We should probably go back to a 4-3 or 4-2-5. The biggest problem is our philosophy not our players

BMFP would be at worst 7-3 w this team. At worst. Hell HDN would be 6-4
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bigghurtt on November 13, 2017, 11:03:06 AM
I don’t agree with those saying the talent level isn’t there. That’s simply not true. Devwah Whaley is a good running back. Chase Hayden and T.J. Hammonds are both potentially home run hitters at RB. The offensive line is full of talent. Look at their offers. No way they are all busts. We have a good stable of QBs. We have several good wide receivers. Brandon Martin was offered by tons of stout programs. Saban offered Jordan Jones. We have a stockpile of offensive talent honestly. BMFP would have the team scoring 40 a game. I’m being serious.

The defense isn’t the greatest but it’s way better than what we’ve shown. We should probably go back to a 4-3 or 4-2-5. The biggest problem is our philosophy not our players

BMFP would be at worst 7-3 w this team. At worst. Hell HDN would be 6-4

It's not a talent issue.  The talent is better now than when Bielema got there. 

It's been mentioned repeatedly by others, but until Auburn last year, basically every metric was trending up.  We're on the ass-end of a total collapse, and those aren't caused by talent deficiencies.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: MoPork on November 13, 2017, 11:03:59 AM
It's not a talent issue.  The talent is better now than when Bielema got there. 

It's been mentioned repeatedly by others, but until Auburn last year, basically every metric was trending up.  We're on the ass-end of a total collapse, and those aren't caused by talent deficiencies.
I agree
this is me. We started off 2015 2-4. After the Bama game we had a week off. We played Auburn and won. From that Auburn game until the Ole Miss game the next year we were 11-3. And we played some tough teams. So our 5-2 top 20 ranked Hogs headed to Auburn to play the team that we started looking right against. After that Ole Miss game in 2016 I felt really good about our program. Then Auburn killed us. Anal raped us...dry. We’ve never recovered. Yeah we beat Florida the next game....but Florida SUCKED. We were done after Auburn 2016. Gus mind fucked us and we have never recovered
bottom line...Gus mind fucked Bert lol
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 13, 2017, 11:08:31 AM
It's not a talent issue.  The talent is better now than when Bielema got there. 

It's been mentioned repeatedly by others, but until Auburn last year, basically every metric was trending up.  We're on the ass-end of a total collapse, and those aren't caused by talent deficiencies.

Assuming we don't lose a ton of transfers, and assuming that Coonass Mallett can develop properly, the program is set up for Norvell to make a run similar to what dipshit did in 1998.  Probably not an 8-0 start since the league is much tougher now, but we will surprise "the experts" with how well we perform. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DrMongoose on November 13, 2017, 12:27:57 PM
once again Trent it seems has written the perfect Razorback recap........

but then he didn't mention  his minister, Keith Jackson, P.A.R.K., letter jackets, or refer to himself in third person.

Until then, he has not written the perfect Razorback recap.  *:
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogNrock on November 13, 2017, 12:32:23 PM
He also didn’t mention mama, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin drunk (other than the Tito’s reference).

Trent runs laps around the local media
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 13, 2017, 12:35:24 PM
He also didn’t mention mama, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin drunk (other than the Tito’s reference).

Trent runs laps around the local media

Beat me to it, dad gum it!
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 13, 2017, 12:42:58 PM
Here it is. Whatever.

https://www.arkansasfight.com/2017/11/12/16639780/feel-the-rhythm



You do good writin'    :beer:
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Lurk on November 13, 2017, 12:43:10 PM
He also didn’t mention mama, or trains, or trucks, or prison, or gettin drunk (other than the Tito’s reference).

Trent runs laps around the local media
Well, the gettin drunk part is every week, so...
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 13, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
So you are saying the next coach better have us in a BCS bowl by year 3 or he should be done.  Got it.

That's exactly not what I said.  What I said is that those variables you mentioned are not what matters.

Hell, those variables are the EXACT reasons Bert is here today.  And by the 5th year (  :thumbdown:), only NOW are they being disproven by the masses, even though smarter people could see much earlier.  I want smarter people evaluating the coaches.  That's why I want Long gone. 

I don't want to wait to evaluate a guy after year 5.  That's how programs become irrelevant.  Two bad hires in a row and you have Razorback basketball.  16 years later, and we may be relevant again.



Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 13, 2017, 12:56:34 PM
It's not a talent issue.  The talent is better now than when Bielema got there. 


This is something that was virtually disproven during your brief absence.

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: TexZilla on November 13, 2017, 12:57:56 PM
An excellent article, and I feel your pain.  I have figured out what Bret is good at;  sucking the life and joy out of something that many of us remember fondly, in good times and bad.  We have had some unsuccessful teams in my 50+ years of fandom, but never anything as joyless, soul sucking, dreariness as what Bielema has made this program.  It should be a fucking crime. 

I am not worried that we will miss out on getting a better coach.  Why?  Because I believe there are 100+ current coaches just in the college ranks that would do better than this lazy fuck.  Is it a bad situation at home?  Who cares, do your job.  Are you a drunk?  Eddie Sutton did ok with a 80 proof bloodsupply.  Do your job.  Its too late for you now.  Get the fuck out of here.

I think after the disaster coming up with Miss St, he should be dismissed, and Enos and Rhoades can draw the short stick to see who coaches Mizzou.  We should not accept a bowl bid if one comes our way because it will cost us money needed for the buyout.  That way everyone knows at Thanksgiving we have something to be thankful for, and perhaps come out to the game as a gesture of new hope.  If a player is committed to the idea of playing for the Hogs is there the recruit will stay.  The other good thing in retention is that everyone that signed a letter knows that if Bret stays he will likely be fired.  A new coach provides stability at least  for a few years, besides its about the coordinators and assistants.  Most of thse recruits never met BB; they signed without his fat ass in the living room.  The new guy hopefully brings a few his way as well.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bigghurtt on November 13, 2017, 01:03:53 PM
This is something that was virtually disproven during your brief absence.

No, it wasn't, dumbass.

I realize that you think the collapse somehow vindicates you, but it doesn't.  Nearly all of your arguments are still stupid and ignorant, as is this one.

THIS is the worst part of the board right now - dumbshits who started with the premise "Me not like Bielema!" and then spent 5 years making facile, inane arguments servicing that POV, now think they've somehow "won".

You haven't 'won' shit.  You're still an ignoramus, as is proven by you thinking what you typed above is accurate.  You were 'right' with Bielema in the narrowest terms possible, but every argument you've made is just a retarded as it has always been.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 13, 2017, 01:05:08 PM
No, it wasn't, dumbass.

I realize that you think the collapse somehow vindicates you, but it doesn't.  Nearly all of your arguments are still stupid and ignorant, as is this one.

THIS is the worst part of the board right now - dumbshits who started with the premise "Me not like Bielema!" and then spent 5 years making facile, inane arguments servicing that POV, now think they've somehow "won".

You haven't 'won' shit.  You're still an ignoramus, as is proven by you thinking what you typed above is accurate.  You were 'right' with Bielema in the narrowest terms possible, but every argument you've made is just a retarded as it has always been.

TL:DR:   A broken clock is correct twice per day.  Unless it's digital. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: goporkyourself on November 13, 2017, 01:05:38 PM
This is something that was virtually disproven

i'm not even sure what this mea....ah fuck it.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: abypfcs on November 13, 2017, 01:06:19 PM
No, it wasn't, dumbass.

I realize that you think the collapse somehow vindicates you, but it doesn't.  Nearly all of your arguments are still stupid and ignorant, as is this one.

THIS is the worst part of the board right now - dumbshits who started with the premise "Me not like Bielema!" and then spent 5 years making facile, inane arguments servicing that POV, now think they've somehow "won".

You haven't 'won' shit.  You're still an ignoramus, as is proven by you thinking what you typed above is accurate.  You were 'right' with Bielema in the narrowest terms possible, but every argument you've made is just a retarded as it has always been.
I was going to say the same thing about AP, but you did a better job of it.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 13, 2017, 01:26:40 PM
No, it wasn't, dumbass.

I realize that you think the collapse somehow vindicates you, but it doesn't.  Nearly all of your arguments are still stupid and ignorant, as is this one.

THIS is the worst part of the board right now - dumbshits who started with the premise "Me not like Bielema!" and then spent 5 years making facile, inane arguments servicing that POV, now think they've somehow "won".

You haven't 'won' shit.  You're still an ignoramus, as is proven by you thinking what you typed above is accurate.  You were 'right' with Bielema in the narrowest terms possible, but every argument you've made is just a retarded as it has always been.

I guess you didn't read the post about all the players who went pro after Bielema's first 2 years.  Can you tell me who on this team is a pro other than Ragnow?  I know we probably have 3-4, but not 15.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bigghurtt on November 13, 2017, 01:32:17 PM
I guess you didn't read the post about all the players who went pro after Bielema's first 2 years.  Can you tell me who on this team is a pro other than Ragnow?  I know we probably have 3-4, but not 15.

So, your idea of 'proving' that the team was more talented 5 years ago than now, is to compare the number of kids who ended up in the pros within the next 5 years, to the number of kids we currently have who you think will be pros?

Is that really what you want to go with?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bakervscarrr on November 13, 2017, 01:34:19 PM
The most damning thing about this year is the fact that it’s happening during the worst year for the SEC in recent memory. Bert has lost the team and the program, but that doesn’t mean that all his teams were like this or that his coaching has been at this level for his entire tenure.

2014 Arkansas was a good football team. They’d have gone 9-3 at worst against this year’s schedule. Their problem was 2014 was an incredibly deep,strong year in the SEC. That squad played six games against opponents ranked in the top ten. Pittman gets credit for that year, but Bielema does too. He got those boys ready to play.  Anyone calling for his job at that point wasn’t reading the leaves in the cup of shit tea we’re drinking now. They were just bitching early to have firstsies.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 13, 2017, 01:45:31 PM

2014 Arkansas was a good football team. They’d have gone 9-3 at worst against this year’s schedule.

I doubt it.  They didn't know how to win.  Still, they would have won 7-8 games with just a simple coach who knew how to win, not choke away leads against a terrible team like Missouri.

So, your idea of 'proving' that the team was more talented 5 years ago than now, is to compare the number of kids who ended up in the pros within the next 5 years, to the number of kids we currently have who you think will be pros?

Since that's not what I said, no.  Look at the kids he inherited that simply made a pro roster in 2013-2014?

I believe it was posted while you were in line for food stamps.  If I can find it, I'll post it here.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bakervscarrr on November 13, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
I doubt it.  They didn't know how to win.  Still, they would have won 7-8 games with just a simple coach who knew how to win, not choke away leads against a terrible team like Missouri.


They DID win seven games that year. And that terrible Missouri team won 11 games, won the East, and finished ranked in the Top 15.

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Wooisme on November 13, 2017, 02:16:48 PM

No, no, that's not the right thing to do.

Long says we have to wait and see how the season plays out before he throws Bert under the bus to save his job. Give Bert a chance.

Once Norvell is safely hired away by some other program, Long will punch up Lester on the speed dial to see how his note is coming along.

#INTEGRITY!

 :sick:

Allowing Long to remain on the job past the evening of the last game of the season is just a colossal error.  BOTH must go.  It's not reasonable to expect anything different by keeping this leadership.  We still have fans who are giving him far too much credit for cashing SEC Television Revenue checks.  Our program is more vulnerable now than it's been in decades.  Losing is a part of our DNA.  Expectations?  They're for programs with A.D.'s, coaches, and players who give a damn about winning and have pride in themselves and who they represent.  We're several years PAST that now.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Law_Hawg on November 13, 2017, 02:41:31 PM


I think I see a showdown at the Elkins Sonic coming!

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: abypfcs on November 13, 2017, 03:30:14 PM

I think I see a showdown at the Elkins Sonic coming!
I thought it was the Sonic in Alma.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Law_Hawg on November 13, 2017, 03:32:09 PM
I thought it was the Sonic in Alma.


I was trying to find them a place between their respective locations. 

That said, I'm sure the Alma Sonic would be an acceptable venue. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogofWar on November 13, 2017, 03:33:22 PM

I was trying to find them a place between their respective locations. 

That said, I'm sure the Alma Sonic would be an acceptable venue.

Hopefully it is between Happy Hour, so we can get the drink and food discounts.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 13, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
Low hanging fruit and all of that.

Very strange behavior.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 13, 2017, 04:06:25 PM
Assuming we don't lose a ton of transfers, and assuming that Coonass Mallett can develop properly, the program is set up for Norvell to make a run similar to what dipshit did in 1998.  Probably not an 8-0 start since the league is much tougher now, but we will surprise "the experts" with how well we perform.

I assume we have all the fast strong guys hidden somewhere because what they have been putting on the field are slow and weak. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: flash23 on November 13, 2017, 04:10:11 PM
Hopefully it is between Happy Hour, so we can get the drink and food discounts.
Is that Pompeii fella jerking off before he's buried in ash?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 13, 2017, 04:20:36 PM
I assume we have all the fast strong guys hidden somewhere because what they have been putting on the field are slow and weak.
Hammonds and Warren have stayed hidden most of the year.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: upine on November 13, 2017, 04:58:50 PM
The most damning thing about this year is the fact that it’s happening during the worst year for the SEC in recent memory. Bert has lost the team and the program, but that doesn’t mean that all his teams were like this or that his coaching has been at this level for his entire tenure.

That fact shouldn't be overlooked. The SEC has been down this year and we still suck. We have underachieved every year during Bert's tenure.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Lurk on November 13, 2017, 05:02:10 PM

I was trying to find them a place between their respective locations. 

That said, I'm sure the Alma Sonic would be an acceptable venue.
Between who? If it's between AP and anyone, I have a lot of money I'm willing to put on anyone.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Cowboy Tiger on November 13, 2017, 05:37:36 PM
Between who? If it's between AP and anyone, I have a lot of money I'm willing to put on anyone.

His name is TulsaHawg.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 13, 2017, 05:54:16 PM
Is that Pompeii fella jerking off before he's buried in ash?

This is mind fucking me. I mean, you'd think he would lose chub while he's being covered with ash and take alternative action... Or maybe he's just like "fuck it" and is going out with a yank?
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Lurk on November 13, 2017, 06:12:15 PM
His name is TulsaHawg.
:D well, I'll hope for simultaneous death then.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: The Red Death on November 13, 2017, 06:46:59 PM
Well, if someone wants to go back and dig through the anals you will see I posted years ago how Bielema's teams at Wisconsin were known for being unable to finish (no I will not make a joke about his new baby I have class) games.

It was one of their fans biggest gripes.  For those who are here who ignored this tendency enjoy this little chicken nugget from Gravy's 2008 season:

http://www.riverfallsjournal.com/news/1002331-badgers-have-another-4th-quarter-collapse (http://www.riverfallsjournal.com/news/1002331-badgers-have-another-4th-quarter-collapse)

It was right there to see you blind bats. Start 4-5 then get hot with a shit schedule and finish 8-5.  Wisky fans applauded his leaving and many flat ignored he was showing signs of this shit his very first year here.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: NotoriousPIG on November 13, 2017, 06:58:42 PM
Well, if someone wants to go back and dig through the anals you will see I posted years ago how Bielema's teams at Wisconsin were known for being unable to finish (no I will not make a joke about his new baby I have class) games.

It was one of their fans biggest gripes.  For those who are here who ignored this tendency enjoy this little chicken nugget from Gravy's 2008 season:

http://www.riverfallsjournal.com/news/1002331-badgers-have-another-4th-quarter-collapse (http://www.riverfallsjournal.com/news/1002331-badgers-have-another-4th-quarter-collapse)

It was right there to see you blind bats.  Start 4-5 then get hot with a shit schedule and finish 8-5.  Wisky fans applauded his leaving and many flat ignored he was showing signs of this shit his very first year here.

I was working with two Wisconsin alum when we hired Bielema. 

Neither were upset when he left and both said he was a shitty gameday coach.

I finally texted them today to say they were right.

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Son_of_Spam on November 13, 2017, 07:31:45 PM
Well, if someone wants to go back and dig through the anals you will see I posted years ago how Bielema's teams at Wisconsin were known for being unable to finish (no I will not make a joke about his new baby I have class) games.

It was one of their fans biggest gripes.  For those who are here who ignored this tendency enjoy this little chicken nugget from Gravy's 2008 season:

http://www.riverfallsjournal.com/news/1002331-badgers-have-another-4th-quarter-collapse (http://www.riverfallsjournal.com/news/1002331-badgers-have-another-4th-quarter-collapse)

It was right there to see you blind bats. Start 4-5 then get hot with a shit schedule and finish 8-5.  Wisky fans applauded his leaving and many flat ignored he was showing signs of this shit his very first year here.
Holy shit! Post this on the coaching search thread.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: flash23 on November 13, 2017, 07:56:47 PM
This is mind fucking me. I mean, you'd think he would lose chub while he's being covered with ash and take alternative action... Or maybe he's just like "fuck it" and is going out with a yank?
I guess it probably got him all at once after the roof collapsed. I know the people of Pompeii loved their porn and sex, but I just don't think beating it would be on my mind at that point. Maybe the deviant was a follower of Bacchus.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: HogTat on November 13, 2017, 08:22:48 PM
I wonder if he will pay his bar tabs and bookies before skipping out.

He owes $12 to our fantasy league.  Fucker.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: SpiderHam on November 13, 2017, 10:17:04 PM
It's not a talent issue.  The talent is better now than when Bielema got there. 

It's been mentioned repeatedly by others, but until Auburn last year, basically every metric was trending up.  We're on the ass-end of a total collapse, and those aren't caused by talent deficiencies.
On defense, it IS a talent issue.  Agim and Curl are the only guys playing defense that are going to sniff the NFL and they both look like free agent types at this point although Agim is a sophomore and Curl is a freshman.  Our D sucks because we have nobody worth a shit at safety, inside LB or NG.  Nobody.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 13, 2017, 10:18:10 PM
On defense, it IS a talent issue.  Agim and Curl are the only guys playing defense that are going to sniff the NFL and they both look like free agent types at this point although Agim is a sophomore and Curl is a freshman.  Our D sucks because we have nobody worth a shit at safety, inside LB or NG.  Nobody.

I disagree. Dejon Harris has been a demon at ILB this year.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 13, 2017, 10:21:44 PM
On defense, it IS a talent issue.  Agim and Curl are the only guys playing defense that are going to sniff the NFL and they both look like free agent types at this point although Agim is a sophomore and Curl is a freshman.  Our D sucks because we have nobody worth a shit at safety, inside LB or NG.  Nobody.

Pulley will be back next year.  He's an NFL corner.

Brown Mustard is as good an inside LB as we've had since Jermaine Petty.  He's playing his ass off - often he's the only one.  Greenlaw and Ramsey have talent, but seem to lack the giveafucks since the season has gone in the shitter. 

Talent is not the problem, with the exception of safety.  We have jack shit at that position.  If Cornrows can find a JUCO safety or threve we could be average on defense, which would be a hell of an improvement. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: SpiderHam on November 13, 2017, 10:23:18 PM
I disagree. Dejon Harris has been a demon at ILB this year.
I agree that he is our best ILB.  He doesn't make the 2 deep at Alabama, Auburn, Miss St or LSU in my opinion.  Each of those schools has 4 better than him and he is our best.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 13, 2017, 10:26:01 PM
I agree that he is our best ILB.  He doesn't make the 2 deep at Alabama, Auburn, Miss St or LSU in my opinion.  Each of those schools has 4 better than him and he is our best.


Nah... I feel like he could step into those teams starting lineups and produce at a high level. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: SpiderHam on November 13, 2017, 10:29:56 PM
Pulley will be back next year.  He's an NFL corner.

Brown Mustard is as good an inside LB as we've had since Jermaine Petty.  He's playing his ass off - often he's the only one.  Greenlaw and Ramsey have talent, but seem to lack the giveafucks since the season has gone in the shitter. 

Talent is not the problem, with the exception of safety.  We have jack shit at that position.  If Cornrows can find a JUCO safety or threve we could be average on defense, which would be a hell of an improvement.
Forgot Petty.  I agree, he is an NFL type if he can stay healthy.  That is a big if at this point. 
Scoota is playing hard.  He just looks great on this squad compared to the others.  He is an average SEC LB. 
Greenlaw has regressed. I don't know if the time off with injury took it out of him but he is not as good this year as last. 
Randy Ramsey has been a colossal disappointment.  Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. 
Our talent on D just does not stack up to the SEC talent.  Our best guys are average SEC guys.  There is NOBODY on our defense that you have to avoid or scheme away from as an offensive coordinator.  Nobody scares you.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: SpiderHam on November 13, 2017, 10:32:17 PM
I guess it probably got him all at once after the roof collapsed. I know the people of Pompeii loved their porn and sex, but I just don't think beating it would be on my mind at that point. Maybe the deviant was a follower of Bacchus.
Maybe he was an early relative of Bret Bielema and just can't finish. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tusk till Dawn on November 13, 2017, 10:37:19 PM
Forgot Petty.  I agree, he is an NFL type if he can stay healthy.  That is a big if at this point. 
Scoota is playing hard.  He just looks great on this squad compared to the others.  He is an average SEC LB. 
Greenlaw has regressed. I don't know if the time off with injury took it out of him but he is not as good this year as last. 
Randy Ramsey has been a colossal disappointment.  Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane. 
Our talent on D just does not stack up to the SEC talent.  Our best guys are average SEC guys.  There is NOBODY on our defense that you have to avoid or scheme away from as an offensive coordinator.  Nobody scares you.

Defense needs work for sure. Hopefully the next staff can coach them up.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 13, 2017, 11:25:00 PM

So, your idea of 'proving' that the team was more talented 5 years ago than now, is to compare the number of kids who ended up in the pros within the next 5 years, to the number of kids we currently have who you think will be pros?


Certainly a good barometer, unless the other 70 players on this year's roster are so much better than the other 70 on 2013's roster.

http://woopig.net/board/index.php/topic,88302.0.html

His first team in 2013 has fifteen players (!) currently on active rosters in the NFL:

Brandon Allen (Rams)
Alex Collins (Ravens)
AJ Derby (Broncos)
Trey Flowers (Patriots)
Hunter Henry (Chargers)
Denver Kirkland (Raiders)
Mitchell Loewen (Saints)
Darius Philon (Chargers)
Chris Smith (Bengals)
Martrell Spaight (Redskins)
Jeremy Sprinkle (Redskins)
Travis Swanson (Lions)
Robert Thomas (Giants)
Jonathon Williams (Bills, Broncos)
Deatrich Wise (Patriots)

It also has six players that were at least drafted or made practice squads, but haven’t made active rosters:

Kiero Small (7th round)
Keon Hatcher (Raiders)
Zach Hocker (7th round)
Tevin Mitchel (various practice squads)
Drew Morgan (Dolphins)
Dan Skipper (Lions)

Scoff at practice squad or 7th round all you want, but if you are drafted or make a practice squad, you are a very, very good college player. Kiero is a great example of this.

That's 21 players in total - a quarter of your roster and 50% of your two deep!

Now, sure a few of those guys were young and ones Bret recruited. Give him credit for those guys, that's not the point. The point is there’s simply no basis for the whole depleted roster argument. And the above doesn’t include players such as Brandon Mitchell, Julian Horton, Byran Jones, Jared Colins, Brooks Ellis, Austin Allen, etc – solid but not great players that can help a team win.

Of everything used to defend Bret, this is the one that is going to make my head explode. He inherited what any decent coach could have won easily 8-9 games with on that schedule (if not more). Instead, he went 0-8.


Talent is not the problem, with the exception of safety.  We have jack shit at that position.  If Cornrows can find a JUCO safety or threve we could be average on defense, which would be a hell of an improvement.

I agree we're all-time bad at safety.  As far as LB goes, getting a lot of tackles on a 4-8, 1-7 team is not the same as getting them on a good team, or even average team. 

Here's a good stat for the stat guys.  We're #126 in opponents yards per play.  That's not just 2-3 bad safeties on the team.  126?  I didn't know there were that many D-I teams.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tampa TechnoHOG on November 14, 2017, 03:16:17 PM
On defense, it IS a talent issue.

And the talent we're lacking is speed.  We have a little bit of speed on offense at the skill positions and that's it.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: SpiderHam on November 14, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
And the talent we're lacking is speed.  We have a little bit of speed on offense at the skill positions and that's it.
Agree.  Speed and general toughness. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: arkansawyer on November 14, 2017, 08:47:09 PM
I think we have a lot of speed on offense, it's just either being mis-used or on the bench. Nance, Martin, Jones, Warren, Hammonds, Hayden, etc....

Not counting that stock of tight ends with Patton, Gragg, O'grady, and the right coach will be average 35 ppg next year.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 14, 2017, 08:52:07 PM
And the talent we're lacking is speed.  We have a little bit of speed on offense at the skill positions and that's it.

I don't get the complaint RE: lack of speed on defense. 

Curl and Tolliver are plenty fast to play CB.  Harris, Greenlaw, and Ramsey are fast enough for their positions.  Agim is fast for a DL.  I'll grant you that our safeties aren't fast, but that's about it. 

Speed isn't the problem.  Inability to play football is the problem.  That's the coaches' job to figure out how to fix.  When you're consistently out of position or being asked to cover multiple receivers at once, you're going to naturally appear to be slow. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DrMongoose on November 14, 2017, 09:17:08 PM
I don't get the complaint RE: lack of speed on defense. 

Curl and Tolliver are plenty fast to play CB.  Harris, Greenlaw, and Ramsey are fast enough for their positions.  Agim is fast for a DL.  I'll grant you that our safeties aren't fast, but that's about it. 

Speed isn't the problem.  Inability to play football is the problem.  That's the coaches' job to figure out how to fix.  When you're consistently out of position or being asked to cover multiple receivers at once, you're going to naturally appear to be slow.

Just think how faster they would be if conditioned to max that speed.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: big_pig on November 14, 2017, 09:46:28 PM
I truly believe we have enough talent on hand to win ten games.

Give us a coach with half an inkling for how to scheme and use talent and we could be right back to where Bobby left off.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Nolapigz on November 14, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
I truly believe we have enough talent on hand to win ten games.

Give us a coach with half an inkling for how to scheme and use talent and we could be right back to where Bobby left off.
I don’t.  Talent level is bad on this team.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: mde114 on November 14, 2017, 10:36:06 PM
I don’t.  Talent level is bad on this team.

Seriously, how can anyone know if we have good players or not? Bert can’t even tell who the best kicker is on this team. How the hell can a coach watch Limpert and Hedlund kick and not tell who should start? It ain’t that hard.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: bogey7 on November 14, 2017, 10:37:48 PM
Seriously, how can anyone know if we have good players or not? Bert can’t even tell who the best kicker is on this team. How the hell can a coach watch Limpert and Hedlund kick and not tell who should start? It ain’t that hard.

And the piss is ice cold
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Boared Cynic on November 15, 2017, 12:03:14 AM
I think the defensw haa talent, but they don't play well together at all. One or more guys always half asses it on any given play.

That's coaching.


Also, Greenlaw and others may have regressed because they've been herberted. When you got to depend on Bert and Herb for player development.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: CoonrodTodd on November 15, 2017, 05:55:01 AM
I think the defensw haa talent, but they don't play well together at all. One or more guys always half asses it on any given play.

That's coaching.


Also, Greenlaw and others may have regressed because they've been herberted. When you got to depend on Bert and Herb for player development.


 :maundoed:
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: hogfan58 on November 15, 2017, 06:33:45 AM
Seriously, how can anyone know if we have good players or not? Bert can’t even tell who the best kicker is on this team. How the hell can a coach watch Limpert and Hedlund kick and not tell who should start? It ain’t that hard.

It's difficult for me to tell if we have talent or not when I see CC OL just push the shit out of our DL; when I see Bama RB's that are 230 lb's out run our DB's (is that because they are faster or because our DBs just gave up?); when I see any and all DL just abuse our OL (is that coaching or is that just lack of talent?); when I see our D's never within 10 yds of a WR (is that coaching or is it that they just can't cover anybody?)

I think it's a combination of talent AND coaching....we just don't have enough of either.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Hogtired on November 15, 2017, 07:39:26 AM
Strictly basing this of recruitment rankings, the Hogs have the talent to win 7+games year over year. The inability to hire coaches to improve said talent is hurting. Also, Donuts lack of flexibility kills this team.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 15, 2017, 08:22:34 AM
Strictly basing this of recruitment rankings, the Hogs have the talent to win 7+games year over year. The inability to hire coaches to improve said talent is hurting. Also, Donuts lack of flexibility kills this team.

Not at you but for everyone.

Basing a W/L projection on recruiting rankings is about the dumbest thing the average person does in college football.

Mack Brown was never a terrible coach.
Pete Carroll didn't "lose his shine".
Les Miles does not suck.
Mark Richt was never a bad or even average coach.
Gus doesn't suck bc his teams win 8-9 a year.

People who do this are ignorant.

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Ty Webb on November 15, 2017, 08:23:49 AM
Not at you but for everyone.

Basing a W/L projection on recruiting rankings is about the dumbest thing the average person does in college football.

Mack Brown was never a terrible coach.
Pete Carroll didn't "lose his shine".
Les Miles does not suck.
Mark Richt was never a bad or even average coach.
Gus doesn't suck bc his teams win 8-9 a year.

People who do this are ignorant.
As of today Gus has exactly 1 season where he won more than 8 games.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 15, 2017, 08:43:34 AM
I truly believe we have enough talent on hand to win ten games.

Give us a coach with half an inkling for how to scheme and use talent and we could be right back to where Bobby left off.

You may be right but I just don’t see it. Coastal Carolina pushed us around. I don’t care how shitty your coaching is by sheer talent alone an SEC team should easily handle a team that was blown out by Arkansas St.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Nolapigz on November 15, 2017, 08:51:24 AM
As of today Gus has exactly 1 season where he won more than 8 games.
:maundoed:
Don’t go bringing facts into AP’s rant.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 15, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
Not at you but for everyone.

Basing a W/L projection on recruiting rankings is about the dumbest thing the average person does in college football.

Mack Brown was never a terrible coach.
Pete Carroll didn't "lose his shine".
Les Miles does not suck.
Mark Richt was never a bad or even average coach.
Gus doesn't suck bc his teams win 8-9 a year.

People who do this are ignorant.

Arguing in favor of Les Miles is the dumbest thing a below average person does in college football.

Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 15, 2017, 08:56:34 AM
As of today Gus has exactly 1 season where he won more than 8 games.

I gotcha.  And you probably just wanted to state that for everyone and don't care that Auburn is not only in the west, but also plays Georgia every year as it's cross-division rival, AND has played Clemson several times.

Look, I'm not defending Gus' record overall.  I really haven't delved into every game.  But it doesn't look that bad when you take those things into consideration, especially with them winning 9-10 games minimum this year.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Nolapigz on November 15, 2017, 09:08:24 AM
I gotcha.  And you probably just wanted to state that for everyone and don't care that Auburn is not only in the west, but also plays Georgia every year as it's cross-division rival, AND has played Clemson several times.

Look, I'm not defending Gus' record overall. 
No, you stated that Gus averages 8-9 wins a year.  Defending his record is exactly the point you are making to prove he is a good coach.  You’re not even trying to be coherent.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: hogwildinhouston on November 15, 2017, 09:27:54 AM
No, you stated that Gus averages 8-9 wins a year.  Defending his record is exactly the point you are making to prove he is a good coach.  You’re not even trying to be coherent.

Gus has 2 seasons in his career where he won more than 8 games, and that will most likely become 3 this year.   He's won less than 8 games only once.

His average for both his career and at Auburn is exactly between 8 and 9 games.   The math isn't on your side in this one.

Not advocating for him, but the statement of 8-9 wins per year is exactly spot on.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 15, 2017, 09:32:14 AM
Gus has 2 seasons in his career where he won more than 8 games, and that will most likely become 3 this year.   He's won less than 8 games only once.

His average for both his career and at Auburn is exactly between 8 and 9 games.   The math isn't on your side in this one.

Not advocating for him, but the statement of 8-9 wins per year is exactly spot on.

You don't have to advocate for me.  The numbers tell the truth.  So does the fact that if we hired him in 2013, we would not be where we are today.  He'Cs not the best coach in the nation we could hire, but neither was Nutt in '98 or JLS in 2012 or Bielema in 2013.  You could probably include Ford in '93 or Crowe in '90 as well.  So what are people wanting?


Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tanny Bogus on November 15, 2017, 12:23:20 PM
So what are people wanting?
Each fan base wants to win every game they should win, and then some that they shouldn't.  Someone is bound to be disappointed and that's why we are going through this coaching search thing once again.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Phat_Hawg on November 15, 2017, 12:40:28 PM
Each fan base wants to win every game they should win, and then some that they shouldn't.  Someone is bound to be disappointed and that's why we are going through this coaching search thing once again.

We're going through this coaching search thing again is because they weren't even winning the games they should.  If Bielema was winning the 6 or 7 games a year he is expected to win he would still have a job next year.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 15, 2017, 12:53:30 PM
We're going through this coaching search thing again is because they weren't even winning the games they should.  If Bielema was winning the 6 or 7 games a year he is expected to win he would still have a job next year.

Sadly this is right, which is what makes Malzahn the most "sure thing".
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Tanny Bogus on November 15, 2017, 05:18:46 PM
We're going through this coaching search thing again is because they weren't even winning the games they should.  If Bielema was winning the 6 or 7 games a year he is expected to win he would still have a job next year.
Yeah that's basically what I was saying. Every fan base wants the expected wins and then some unexpected ones.  That means someone isn't getting the expected wins, this time it is us.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Lurking Tiger on November 16, 2017, 01:51:38 AM
Yeah that's basically what I was saying. Every fan base wants the expected wins and then some unexpected ones.  That means someone isn't getting the expected wins, this time it is us.

Winna.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 16, 2017, 07:17:44 AM
Yeah that's basically what I was saying. Every fan base wants the expected wins and then some unexpected ones.  That means someone isn't getting the expected wins, this time it is us.

The disconnect lies in the games each group of fans expects to win. 

The Mississippi schools and Missouri probably see us as an expected win most years when in reality that should be a game those schools win about 10%-20% of the time at most.  A&M sees us as a guaranteed win when history shows that we should win that one 60% of the time or more.  LSU and Auburn see us as expected wins when we historically beat them 40% of the time or thereabouts. 
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: Arkansas Proud on November 16, 2017, 12:48:34 PM
The disconnect lies in the games each group of fans expects to win. 

The Mississippi schools and Missouri probably see us as an expected win most years when in reality that should be a game those schools win about 10%-20% of the time at most.  A&M sees us as a guaranteed win when history shows that we should win that one 60% of the time or more.  LSU and Auburn see us as expected wins when we historically beat them 40% of the time or thereabouts.

I agree with the disconnect.  The real disconnect in this group is our expectations and recent results with Mizzou and A&M.
Title: Re: Feel The Rhythm: LSU ‘17
Post by: DirkPiggler on November 16, 2017, 04:35:37 PM
I agree with the disconnect.  The real disconnect in this group is our expectations and recent results with Mizzou and A&M.

We damned sure shouldn’t base our expectations on results accumulated with the worst coach we’ve had since Otis Douglas.