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How do you call him a two tool player? He is very good with the glove, and has a good arm for a 1b. I dont know if he can run or not, but I do know that his fielding, running, and throwing compares to any first baseman out there. His hitting for power and average are among the best of all time, but that doesnt make him a two tool player.
Give me a fucking break. He's a decent fielder but he wasn't a Schmidt or Robinson when he was at third.
Give me a fricking break. He's a decent fielder but he wasn't a Schmidt or Robinson when he was at third.
1st, should have said he is on a GOAT pace. 2nd, who gives a fuck about the hour and a half Pujols played 3rd base? If you are going to define the value of one of the five tools a player has to offer, you have to give full consideration to the position he plays for the meat of his career. I am going to admit I dont know as much as I should to dive into this argument to say this, I didnt even know he played 3rd base, evar, but if he did, he has a damn good arm which means he is at least terrific 4 tool player for a 1st baseman playing a traditionally 2 tool position.
He's had double digit steals (16) in a season, typically averaging 6 a season. That's a strike against speed.He was an error generator at 3rd, with 16 errors in 96 games. He's at first because they're hiding his glove, plain and simple. That's a strike against fielding.Arm strength isn't there either, considering his assist numbers when he played in typical fielding positions; in over 300 games in the outfield, he had 17 assists.Pumpkin is dead-on... the guy is a two-tool player. Phenomenal at those two, certainly, but he is not the complete package. ARod is the modern guy on the pace to be GOAT.
But that was on my PS2 game.
The parks were not all huge and some that had huge deminsions in one or two areas were shorter elsewhere. For example, Ruth's right field was 295 down the line while Death Vallley was originally 460 to left center. Ruth and the Yankees played in the Polo Grounds until '23. Shaped like a giant bathtub, it was over 500 to dead center but less than 260 down the lines. And when Yankee Stadium was built, most parks seated fewer than 40,000, like Fenway. Pretty much shaped like now. So they weren't all that hard to hit homers in, once they modernized the ball.
If it so easy then why was Babe hitting so much more of them in the early 20's than anybody else?
But if you don't think you could drop Pujols AS HE IS into the 1940's-50's and see numbers that are plain embarrassing, I think you're being naive.
Ok... you want to go there? With so many teams now how many legit MLB quality pitchers do batters face when not playing a big market team?
If you look strictly at accomplishments, it's Ruth all day long. He hit more homers in one season than any team in the league combined. He was a dominant pitcher, AND the best SLUGGER ever.But let's be honest...with the training, supplements, knowledge of kinesiology, junior development etc etc we have now, the athletes are far superior, plus of course the natural evolution as the game responds to expanded understanding, experimentation and study. If you drop Jason marquis in the 30's or 40's he probably becomes the best pitcher in the game. What would guys like Ty Cobb have done with our current development system? THAT is a great discussion. But if you don't think you could drop Pujols AS HE IS into the 1940's-50's and see numbers that are plain embarrassing, I think you're being naive.
The level of pitching in relation to the level of batting has remained more or less constant with a few spikes here and there. Any time pitching gets too good they do something like lower the mound or tighten the winding of the balls or shrink the parks. My point is that I believe that a change in philosophy creates a situation where you don't let a pitcher gut it out or pitch his way out of a jam and they never pitch on the same amount of rest that they did back then. I wonder if they'd had radar guns back then what a Dizzy Dean would have been throwing in the 9th inning on his 23rd complete game of the season on 3 days rest. I have a feeling that any setup man in the league these days would have comparable heat.
Sorry but you're being naive. Marquis would not be the best pitcher back then because there is more to pitching than simply athletic ability. That's why you see so many busts even today. There were guys back in the day with stuff and knew how to pitch not simply throw which you see today. You can't compare the eras because guys like Pujols wouldn't benefit from all the improved training and you can't knock guys like Ruth and Cobb because I have no doubt if you raised them up today they would still rise to the top. Baseball isn't football and hand to eye coordination is something you either have or not and vitamins and roids don't have anything to do with that.
Sim Player From To Yrs G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG SB CS OPS Albert Pujols 2001-2007 7 1091 4054 847 1344 298 13 282 861 592 452 .332 .420 .620 38 23 167 883* Joe DiMaggio 1936-1942 7 979 3978 858 1349 243 82 219 930 404 196 .339 .403 .607 25 7 159 880* Jimmie Foxx 1925-1935 11 1256 4397 975 1492 257 79 302 1075 781 644 .339 .440 .640 48 41 174 876* Frank Robinson 1956-1963 8 1190 4377 831 1327 247 39 262 800 549 622 .303 .389 .557 125 43 148 875 Ken Griffey 1989-1997 9 1214 4593 820 1389 261 24 294 872 580 755 .302 .381 .562 123 48 150 869* Hank Aaron 1954-1961 8 1194 4717 829 1506 264 67 253 863 397 442 .319 .371 .565 57 25 153 850* Mickey Mantle 1951-1959 9 1246 4478 994 1392 208 54 280 841 892 899 .311 .425 .569 98 25 173 849 Hal Trosky 1933-1940 8 1035 4055 715 1274 270 53 205 860 405 352 .314 .378 .559 20 16 136 847 Vladimir Guerrero 1996-2003 8 1004 3763 641 1215 226 34 234 702 381 484 .323 .390 .588 123 71 148 840* Lou Gehrig 1923-1930 8 921 3327 774 1139 248 89 187 811 581 414 .342 .443 .639 42 45 180 826* Orlando Cepeda 1958-1965 8 1095 4129 647 1272 224 22 223 752 255 625 .308 .352 .535 92 45 140
Do you honestly expect people to read this aMm?Put it in a spreadsheet or something. Some columns for people to follow, not just a mass of numbers.
I guess you got your mouse confused with your gerbil and it was busy trying to scrabble out of your ass.
There's a book about Ruth's 1921 season and how he would have hit over 100 home runs under the rules of today. There were weird rules back then, such as if a ball went over the fence fair, but hooked foul after it left the yard, it was a foul ball. Also, if the ball hit the foul pole (or the fair pole ) it was ruled a ground rule double.I forget how many it credited Ruth with, but it was in triple digits.
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