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« on: March 30, 2010, 10:53:58 PM »
I found this to be interesting.

Football related, as student section tickets will be at a premium when we're kicking the SEC in dey azz...

http://nwahomepage.com/content/fulltext_news/?cid=157151

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Arkansas is increasingly, and noticeably, on more kids' radar screens in Texas.  I have been surprised at how many kids I know of right here in Flower Mound alone have enrolled or are preparing to enroll at the UofA.  The new Texas "top 8%" law, coupled with tuition deregulation since 2003, has really fricked a lot of good kids here in the ass.  And many of those kids and their parents are finally 'discovering' Arkansas.
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Yeah I believe we still offer in-state rates for Texas kids who meet some academic requirements.  The lottery scholarships which kick in this fall are going to impact U of A positively, too.  I wouldn't be surprised to see U of A around 25,000 students in a few years.
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Arkansas is increasingly, and noticeably, on more kids' radar screens in Texas.  I have been surprised at how many kids I know of right here in Flower Mound alone have enrolled or are preparing to enroll at the UofA.  The new Texas "top 8%" law, coupled with tuition deregulation since 2003, has really fricked a lot of good kids here in the ass.  And many of those kids and their parents are finally 'discovering' Arkansas.
this is how i ended up at u of a. I even got in state tuition for my act score. The state of Texas fricked me in the butt! Back then it was only a "top ten percent" rule. I can't imigine how many more kids they have screwed out of a public college education because they aren't in a top 8 percentile at an extremely competive high school and then innercity top 8 kids do get in when they likely wouldve been top 25 percent at say coppell high school where I graduated.
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this is how i ended up at u of a. I even got in state tuition for my act score. The state of Texas fricked me in the butt! Back then it was only a "top ten percent" rule. I can't imigine how many more kids they have screwed out of a public college education because they aren't in a top 8 percentile at an extremely competive high school and then innercity top 8 kids do get in when they likely wouldve been top 25 percent at say coppell high school where I graduated.

Can you explain more?  So, in Texas, unless you are in the top 8% of your graduating class, you cannot attend an in-state university?? IS that correct?

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Yeah I believe we still offer in-state rates for Texas kids who meet some academic requirements.  The lottery scholarships which kick in this fall are going to impact U of A positively, too.  I wouldn't be surprised to see U of A around 25,000 students in a few years.

There wasn't anything like this, that I knew of anyway. Maybe if you lived in a bordering county to Arkansas? I grew up in Wood County, TX and the only reason I didn't pay out-of-state was because a waiver was part of my scholarship package.

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I thought it was bordering states plus Kansas if you met certain academic requirements.

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Can you explain more?  So, in Texas, unless you are in the top 8% of your graduating class, you cannot attend an in-state university?? IS that correct?

Students in the top 8% (formerly top 10%) of the graduating class at their high school are automatically admitted to public universities in Texas.  But, this rule doesn't take into consideration whether you went to a really competitive high school, or the size of the school, etc.  A lot of good students cannot get into Texas or A&M, etc. because all the slots are taken by students with "automatic" admission.  And "the 10% rule" has been widely criticized because a lot of those "10% kids" don't have the means or the skills to succeed at UT or A&M.

A few years ago, the President of LSU was widely quoted as saying that the Texas 10% rule was the best thing that ever happened to LSU's enrollment and admissions...they'd happily take all those 11-20% kids.

On a personal note, my kid was "provisionally" accepted by A&M and Texas (ranked in 12% of her class of over 500), so she took the out-of-state waiver to go to Arkansas (thank you, God!).  After 5 semesters, she's made the Dean's List three times, is on track for her second Chancellor's List, and is on schedule to graduate in 4 years.  I' really glad she carried on the family tradition on The Hill, but I'm confident she would have done just fine at UT or A&M.  Their loss, so :bird:
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I thought it was bordering states plus Kansas if you met certain academic requirements.

I believe this is accurate.

I believe there are also out-of-state waivers for kids of Alumni Association members.  Again, there are certain academic requirements regardless of residence, but I think they are a little less stringent than the "border states" requirements. 
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Students in the top 8% (formerly top 10%) of the graduating class at their high school are automatically admitted to public universities in Texas.  But, this rule doesn't take into consideration whether you went to a really competitive high school, or the size of the school, etc.  A lot of good students cannot get into Texas or A&M, etc. because all the slots are taken by students with "automatic" admission.  And "the 10% rule" has been widely criticized because a lot of those "10% kids" don't have the means or the skills to succeed at UT or A&M.

A few years ago, the President of LSU was widely quoted as saying that the Texas 10% rule was the best thing that ever happened to LSU's enrollment and admissions...they'd happily take all those 11-20% kids.

On a personal note, my kid was "provisionally" accepted by A&M and Texas (ranked in 12% of her class of over 500), so she took the out-of-state waiver to go to Arkansas (thank you, Gosh!).  After 5 semesters, she's made the Dean's List three times, is on track for her second Chancellor's List, and is on schedule to graduate in 4 years.  I' really glad she carried on the family tradition on The Hill, but I'm confident she would have done just fine at UT or A&M.  Their loss, so :bird:

She sounds much brighter than her dad judging by your posts.  ;) Thanks for the clarification. 

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Can you explain more?  So, in Texas, unless you are in the top 8% of your graduating class, you cannot attend an in-state university?? IS that correct?

My understanding (I don't have high school-age kids) is that Texas state law used to guarantee admission to any public Texas university for students in the top 10% of their Texas high school graduating class.  This was recently (last year) tightened from 10% to 8%.  This requirement has been filling as much as 80% of some university's incoming freshmen class, including  :notexas: .

The plus side of the law is that it's resulted in significant increases in the number minority and rural students gaining admittance, but the downside is it's also shutting out large numbers of other qualified students.

A neighbor's friend's daughter (something like that) supposedly gradated HS with a 'perfect' 4.0, but she'd only taken a few AP classes along the way.  At her HS, she fell just outside the top 10% because of some other students who had been loading up on AP classes since 8th grade.  This girl with a 4.0 wasn't able to get into any Texas university, and instead had to go to junior college her first year.

Also know a kid here in Texas (border state kid) that won a Chancellor's scholarship at Arkansas ($8,000 per year for 4 years).  He and his parents originally had UT as his first choice, but they were only going to give him $2,000 for one year.  No brainer.  
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I thought it was bordering states plus Kansas if you met certain academic requirements.
http://scholarships.uark.edu/index.php/nrta

Non-Resident Tuition Award

The Non-Resident Tuition Award covers the difference between out-of-state tuition and in-state tuition. The award is automatically granted to qualifying students. Students must apply for admission to be considered, but are not required to submit a separate scholarship application. NRTA recipients will first be notified via their admission profile under the residency statement. The student with receive more detailed information from the Office of Academic Scholarships starting April 1st.

Eligibility

Awarded to entering freshmen and transfer students from Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Tennessee, Missouri, Kansas, and Oklahoma. Entering freshmen for the fall 2009, fall 2010, and fall 2011 must have a 3.25 or higher GPA and ACT of at least 24 or 1090 SAT (combined math and critical reading). Eligibility criteria for freshmen entering in the fall of 2012 and beyond have not yet been determined. Transfer students must have a 3.0 or higher college GPA and 24 transferable hours.

The Non-Resident Tuition award is only available to incoming students. A student who does not meet the eligibility criteria at the time of enrollment cannot become eligible for the award in a future term.

Renewal Criteria

Renewable for 4 years (5 years for Architecture and MAT students)
Beginning with renewal for the 2009-2010 academic year, students must maintain full-time enrollment and a 2.75 cumulative GPA.
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A neighbor's friend's daughter (something like that) supposedly gradated HS with a 'perfect' 4.0, but she'd only taken a few AP classes along the way.  At her HS, she fell just outside the top 10% because of some other students who had been loading up on AP classes since 8th grade.  This girl with a 4.0 wasn't able to get into any Texas university, and instead had to go to junior college her first year.


Uhhhh, Texas A&M and Texas Tech will gladly take kids with 4.0s. But you pretty much have to be in the top 8-10% to get into Texas.

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Uhhhh, Texas A&M and Texas Tech will gladly take kids with 4.0s. But you pretty much have to be in the top 8-10% to get into Texas.

I didn't know you were admissions at ATM and tech. I have a feeling that ATM has so many kids wanting to get in they are kind of in the same boa as Texas. ATM is a huge university. Tech I believe you on. Starkville, I got into tech and decided not to go in favor of Fayetteville. Either way the law is allowing less qualified individuals more of a chance. It is another form of affirmative action. In my opinion affirmative action should be illegal.
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I didn't know you were admissions at ATM and tech. I have a feeling that ATM has so many kids wanting to get in they are kind of in the same boa as Texas. ATM is a huge university. Tech I believe you on. Starkville, I got into tech and decided not to go in favor of Fayetteville. Either way the law is allowing less qualified individuals more of a chance. It is another form of affirmative action. In my opinion affirmative action should be illegal.

I graduated from high school in 2006. Pretty much anyone in the top 20% of my class was admitted to Texas A&M. They aren't in the same boat as Texas.

I don't have a problem with the law, but I probably would share your opinion if I hadn't been in the top 10% and wanted to go to Texas.

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Uhhhh, Texas A&M and Texas Tech will gladly take kids with 4.0s. But you pretty much have to be in the top 8-10% to get into Texas.

The way I heard this story, this particular 4.0 kid couldn't get into ANY public Texas university (UT, A&M, Tech, etc.) because she fell just outside her school's top 10% range, and she hadn't earned eleventy gazzilion AP credits and taken summer school classes every year since 8th grade like at least 10% of her fellow classmates had.

Granted, I may have had a wee too much liquor and/or a flare-up of Apathy at the time the story was conveyed to me, but that's how I understood it. 
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The way I heard this story, this particular 4.0 kid couldn't get into ANY public Texas university (UT, A&M, Tech, etc.) because she fell just outside her school's top 10% range, and she hadn't earned eleventy gazzilion AP credits and taken summer school classes every year since 8th grade like at least 10% of her fellow classmates had.

Granted, I may have had a wee too much liquor and/or a flare-up of Apathy at the time the story was conveyed to me, but that's how I understood it. 

There are like 20 public schools in Texas. Texas Tech takes people who can barely read, so she could've definitely gotten in there. I bet that the person was saying that she couldn't get into Texas. It's true that if you're outside the top 10% and don't have a bunch of AP credits and a high SAT or ACT that they aren't going to take you.

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I graduated from high school in 2006. Pretty much anyone in the top 20% of my class was admitted to Texas A&M. They aren't in the same boat as Texas.

I don't have a problem with the law, but I probably would share your opinion if I hadn't been in the top 10% and wanted to go to Texas.
they probably got admitted with the condition of going to blinn for a semester and transferring to ATM. I had a 4.0 friend do that because he wanted to go to ATM architecture program so badly. Maybe you went to a better high school than myself.

Affirmative action is reverse discrimmination. I was never mad
I didn't get to go to UT. I didn't even apply to go there. If a situation was set up to
give rich white folk the advantage people would then outcry of the idea being racially motivated. It's socioecomically motivated. Just because I went to coppell high school they will say I was given too much an
opportunity. That's bullshit and unethical. If we want everyone to be equal then let's be socialists.   

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There are like 20 public schools in Texas. Texas Tech takes people who can barely read, so she could've definitely gotten in there. I bet that the person was saying that she couldn't get into Texas. It's true that if you're outside the top 10% and don't have a bunch of AP credits and a high SAT or ACT that they aren't going to take you.
I bet there are plenty of aMm schools where kids are 3.7, no ap, avg act and sat scores, and still in the top ten percent of their respective classes. These kids will be accepted by UT for diversity alone. This is wrong.
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they probably got admitted with the condition of going to blinn for a semester and transferring to ATM. I had a 4.0 friend do that because he wanted to go to ATM architecture program so badly. Maybe you went to a better high school than myself.

Affirmative action is reverse discrimmination. I was never mad
I didn't get to go to UT. I didn't even apply to go there. If a situation was set up to
give rich white folk the advantage people would then outcry of the idea being racially motivated. It's socioecomically motivated. Just because I went to coppell high school they will say I was given too much an
opportunity. That's bullshit and unethical. If we want everyone to be equal then let's be socialists.   

I see what you did here.

It's typically harder to get into Architecture school than other schools.

I don't really want to argue about affirmative action--I don't see anyone's opinion changing. But there are a lot of public schools that will take people who merely graduate from high school; schools like UT-San Antonio and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi.

I'm glad that applications are up 26% at UA, but i wish that instead of taking more kids that they decided to be more selective. The way to do this is to probably keep the same standards for in-state kids (as the goal of the university should be to educate the kids from Arkansas), and become more selective for out of state admissions.

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It's typically harder to get into Architecture school than other schools.

I don't really want to argue about affirmative action--I don't see anyone's opinion changing. But there are a lot of public schools that will take people who merely graduate from high school; schools like UT-San Antonio and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi.

I'm glad that applications are up 26% at UA, but i wish that instead of taking more kids that they decided to be more selective. The way to do this is to probably keep the same standards for in-state kids (as the goal of the university should be to educate the kids from Arkansas), and become more selective for out of state admissions.

It still is easier to get in if your from Arkansas than if your an out of stater. The parameters were so that kids could get in state tuition not simply admitted.

Damn you for not taking the bait I'm in the mood. All aside I am happy it happened like it did or wouldve never gone to Arkansas. Best decision I ever made in life.
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 But there are a lot of public schools that will take people who merely graduate from high school; schools like UT-San Antonio and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi.
 

well, no aMm. Why would you go there when you could go to
Fayetteville with in state tuition? No brainer.
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I believe there are also out-of-state waivers for kids of Alumni Association members.  Again, there are certain academic requirements regardless of residence, but I think they are a little less stringent than the "border states" requirements. 

I'm pretty sure you're correct and I don't think they have to be actual member of the Alumni Association, just have a parent who's an alumnus.

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I'm glad that applications are up 26% at UA, but i wish that instead of taking more kids that they decided to be more selective.

True dat.  Arkansas has done both, though.  In growing from around 15k to about 20k since 1999 or so, Arkansas has also become a better institution.

We don't accept everybody.  I think our acceptance rate is something like 60%.  Room for improvement, but nothing like Ole Miss or State.  I think LSU accepts a higher percentage of applicants, too.
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True dat.  Arkansas has done both, though.  In growing from around 15k to about 20k since 1999 or so, Arkansas has also become a better institution.

We don't accept everybody.  I think our acceptance rate is something like 60%.  Room for improvement, but nothing like Ole Miss or State.  I think LSU accepts a higher percentage of applicants, too.


Just shows you can't make everyone happy.  Few years back folks were complaining that the UA was too selective, now they're not selective enough.

I do know that this year the competition for scholarships at the UA was intense.  There are a bunch of kids that in previous years would've been guaranteed a big scholarship that this year will get nothing.
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