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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #175 on: October 05, 2011, 10:14:18 AM »
This fear of Bama is just plain retarded. Keep in the west...they won't beat us every year. Two years ago we were not that great and still played with them for a half. Last year we should have beaten them and then literally gift wrapped the ball and tossed it up to them to give the game away. This year they were clearly better but some special teams plays made it look worse than it really was, and it made it worse that our biggest weaknesses (OL and RB) are pretty much the worst places to have a weakness against a team like Bama.

I'm fine with the Missouri move because it'll be fun in basketball and we'll probably have a ton of fans at football games in Columbia, but everyone wanting to move Bama to the east is just being reactionary.
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #176 on: October 05, 2011, 11:44:50 AM »
Geographically that doesn't make sense. The only reason they'd leave Bama in the West would be some kind of perceived competitive balance. That is possible, but I'd call it unlikely.

Perceived?  We move Bama and Auburn to the East, and replace them with A&M, Vandy, and Misery...the word "perceived" doesn't fit.  That IS an imbalance, and we come out on the short end of that stick.

Missouri makes us weaker unless they leave Bama and Auburn alone.

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #177 on: October 05, 2011, 12:19:31 PM »
This. People that think Bama and Vandy are gonna trade spots just have wishful thinking. No way that happens. Allburn goes to the East, TXAM and Mizzou to West, SEC goes to 9 game conference schedule and we roll on....

The more I think about it, the more this makes sense.  Of course the only way to make it work would be to have 2 permanent and 1 rotating non-division games like the old days.  Because I don't see Bama giving up on the Tennessee game.  They might, but I think both sides have the will and Bama has the stroke to keep the series going. 


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Moving both Alabama and Auburn to the east wouldn't tip the balance of power to one division, since right now the balance is already tipped. The SECW is the stronger division. Moving the 2 bama schools east would simply flip the balance of power to the east.

If you were to number the SEC from 1-12, based on the past, say, 5 years, as well as a projection for the next 5 years, I'd probably look like this:

1  Bama -- W
2  Florida -- E
3  LSU -- W
4  Arkansas -- W
5  Auburn -- W
6  Georgia -- E
7  So Car -- E
8  Tennessee -- E
9  Miss St -- W
10 Ole Miss -- W
11 Kentucky -- E
12 Vandy -- E

A few of those could be swapped around, but that's probably fairly close.  The West has 4 of the top 6 teams in the SEC.


Add in the two new schools and move the bama schools east and Vandy west, and it looks like this:

1  Bama -- E
2  Florida -- E
3  LSU -- W
4  Arkansas -- W
5  Auburn -- E
6  Georgia -- E
7  So Car -- E
8  Tennessee -- E
9  TAMU -- W
10 Mizzou -- W
11 Miss St -- W
12 Ole Miss -- W
13 Kentucky -- E
14 Vandy -- W

Now the East has 5 of the top 7 teams.



So the only way to truly even out the divisions would be to just move Auburn to the east.

1  Bama -- W
2  Florida -- E
3  LSU -- W
4  Arkansas -- W
5  Auburn -- E
6  Georgia -- E
7  So Car -- E
8  Tennessee -- E
9  TAMU -- W
10 Mizzou -- W
11 Miss St -- W
12 Ole Miss -- W
13 Kentucky -- E
14 Vandy -- E

That's a 4-3 Eastern slant.


And assuming we go back to the 2 permanent opponent schedule...


TAMU -- Georgia, Vandy
Mizzou -- Auburn, Kentucky
Ark -- So Car, Tennessee
LSU -- Florida, SoCar
Miss -- Vandy, Georgia
Miss St -- Kentucky, Florida
Bama -- Tennessee, Auburn


Auburn -- Mizzou, Alabama
Vandy -- Miss, TAMU
Tenn -- Alabama, Arkansas
Kentucky -- Miss St, Mizzou
So Car -- Arkansas, LSU
Georgia -- TAMU, Miss
Florida -- LSU, Miss St



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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #178 on: October 05, 2011, 12:43:50 PM »

And assuming we go back to the 2 permanent opponent schedule...


TAMU -- Georgia, Vandy
Mizzou -- Auburn, Kentucky
Ark -- So Car, Tennessee
LSU -- Florida, SoCar
Miss -- Vandy, Georgia
Miss St -- Kentucky, Florida
Bama -- Tennessee, Auburn


Auburn -- Mizzou, Alabama
Vandy -- Miss, TAMU
Tenn -- Alabama, Arkansas
Kentucky -- Miss St, Mizzou
So Car -- Arkansas, LSU
Georgia -- TAMU, Miss
Florida -- LSU, Miss St



There I'm done

This makes the most sense. Especially if you predict a Georgia and Tennessee return to the top 15 at some point. On Mizzou, I know football is the straw that stirs the drink, but I think they'll add value to the SEC in basketball and baseball. Back to football, they were ranked #1 country in the AP Poll in late 2007, so there is a little bit of something there.

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #179 on: October 05, 2011, 12:57:58 PM »
I personally think you should do away with the "permanent" east opponent.  The bigger the conference gets, the harder it is to play all of the conference foes every 3-4 years.  Plus, if a team like Vandy or LoL Miss is on your schedule permanently, there is a strength of schedule advantage that is permanent, (provided the hoot is still over in oxfart). 
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #180 on: October 05, 2011, 01:09:51 PM »
I personally think you should do away with the "permanent" east opponent.  The bigger the conference gets, the harder it is to play all of the conference foes every 3-4 years.  Plus, if a team like Vandy or LoL Miss is on your schedule permanently, there is a strength of schedule advantage that is permanent, (provided the hoot is still over in oxfart). 

While I agree there is a scheduling advantage, there are some pretty long-standing rivalries that would go away if that happened.

GA/AU
Bama/UT


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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #181 on: October 05, 2011, 01:24:47 PM »
While I agree there is a scheduling advantage, there are some pretty long-standing rivalries that would go away if that happened.

GA/AU
Bama/UT



What's funny is the two rivalries you mentioned are pretty much the only reason the permanent schedule was done in the first place.

I mean, what other east/west rivalry is there?
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #182 on: October 05, 2011, 01:37:25 PM »
This fear of Bama is just plain retarded. Keep in the west...they won't beat us every year. Two years ago we were not that great and still played with them for a half. Last year we should have beaten them and then literally gift wrapped the ball and tossed it up to them to give the game away. This year they were clearly better but some special teams plays made it look worse than it really was, and it made it worse that our biggest weaknesses (OL and RB) are pretty much the worst places to have a weakness against a team like Bama.

I'm fine with the Missouri move because it'll be fun in basketball and we'll probably have a ton of fans at football games in Columbia, but everyone wanting to move Bama to the east is just being reactionary.

Agree with this completely.  Saban won't be there forever and when he's gone, there's a better than 50/50 chance they'll have another Dubose or Shula.  To Starkville with Bama.  I'm happy to play them every year.

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #183 on: October 05, 2011, 01:37:36 PM »
What's funny is the two rivalries you mentioned are pretty much the only reason the permanent schedule was done in the first place.

I mean, what other east/west rivalry is there?

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #184 on: October 05, 2011, 01:42:46 PM »
LSU/UF would like a word with you.

That's a rivalry because of the permanent opponents.  It wasn't really that big of a deal historically.
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #185 on: October 05, 2011, 01:43:42 PM »
While I agree there is a scheduling advantage, there are some pretty long-standing rivalries that would go away if that happened.

GA/AU
Bama/UT

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #186 on: October 05, 2011, 01:52:59 PM »
In the same article a few weeks ago where Auburn said it would go east if needed, it was said that permanent cross division opponents would be eliminated.  That means that Alabama and Auburne HAVE to be in the same division.  And of course, the most geographically sound division of the teams when A&M and Mizzou are added would have Vandy in the West and Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee all in the East.  A line straight up the western border of Alabama would accomplish that.

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #187 on: October 05, 2011, 01:58:34 PM »
So, for those of us who don't know the minute-by-minute, is Missou "in the chute" towards joining the SEC, or is all this talk just based on the bluster around them resigning from the Big XII boards and "exploring possibilities"?

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #188 on: October 05, 2011, 02:02:02 PM »
In the same article a few weeks ago where Auburn said it would go east if needed, it was said that permanent cross division opponents would be eliminated.  That means that Alabama and Auburne HAVE to be in the same division.  And of course, the most geographically sound division of the teams when A&M and Mizzou are added would have Vandy in the West and Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee all in the East.  A line straight up the western border of Alabama would accomplish that.
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #189 on: October 05, 2011, 02:06:32 PM »
So, for those of us who don't know the minute-by-minute, is Missou "in the chute" towards joining the SEC, or is all this talk just based on the bluster around them resigning from the Big XII boards and "exploring possibilities"?

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Both, I think. Based on the bluster....it seems evident they are headed to the SEC just like when aTm was "exploring conferences." It's all posturing for legal reasons, I think.
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #190 on: October 05, 2011, 02:14:32 PM »
In the same article a few weeks ago where Auburn said it would go east if needed, it was said that permanent cross division opponents would be eliminated.  That means that Alabama and Auburne HAVE to be in the same division.  And of course, the most geographically sound division of the teams when A&M and Mizzou are added would have Vandy in the West and Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee all in the East.  A line straight up the western border of Alabama would accomplish that.

Nashville is more eastern than Tuscaloosa.

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #191 on: October 05, 2011, 02:20:28 PM »
Auburn and Alabama took a 41 year break in their rivalry.


Shirley you concede that college football is in a different place now.

The Iron Bowl is a big ratings getter.
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #192 on: October 05, 2011, 02:24:55 PM »
Shirley you concede that college football is in a different place now.

The Iron Bowl is a big ratings getter.
Basically I'm just saying frick Alabama and Auburn. I hope they get split and don't get their regular game.
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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #193 on: October 05, 2011, 02:30:09 PM »
Basically I'm just saying frick Alabama and Auburn. I hope they get split and don't get their regular game.
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« Reply #194 on: October 05, 2011, 02:36:22 PM »
Basically I'm just saying frick Alabama and Auburn. I hope they get split and don't get their regular game.

Yeah.  Auburn has no say in anything.  They are to Alabama what A&M is to Texas.

But Alabama has enough stroke to ensure they get the Iron Bowl and the Tennessee game if they want it, however they want it.
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« Reply #195 on: October 05, 2011, 02:45:36 PM »
Yeah.  Auburn has no say in anything.  They are to Alabama what A&M is to Texas.

But Alabama has enough stroke to ensure they get the Iron Bowl and the Tennessee game if they want it, however they want it.

Even though Tennessee, LSU & Florida would argue this - Alabama is to the SEC what Texas is to the Big 12 in influence.

(there are several reasons the conference offices are in AL - one of them is obvious.)

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« Reply #196 on: October 05, 2011, 03:00:05 PM »
Even though Tennessee, LSU & Florida would argue this - Alabama is to the SEC what Texas is to the Big 12 in influence.

(there are several reasons the conference offices are in AL - one of them is obvious.)

Right.

The big difference between Texas and Alabama is Texas has that obnoxious arrogance that is seemingly inherent in their DNA, while also sporting an ultimately self-destructive sense of superiority that even Alabama fans and officials can't muster.


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« Reply #197 on: October 05, 2011, 10:26:01 PM »
If Mizzou leaves the Big 12 will be looking to expand. According to ESPN's source they're considering BYU, Louisville, WVU, TCU, and.........wait for it........Tulane Green Wave!!  wtf?
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« Reply #198 on: October 06, 2011, 05:24:48 AM »
If Mizzou leaves the Big 12 will be looking to expand. According to ESPN's source they're considering BYU, Louisville, WVU, TCU, and.........wait for it........Tulane Green Wave!!  wtf?

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Re: Conference Chaos/Rumblings...
« Reply #199 on: October 06, 2011, 06:55:31 AM »
From ESPiN:
The University of Missouri hopes to join the Southeastern Conference but would have preferred an offer from the Big Ten that never came, a school official told The Associated Press.

And.....
Missouri hoped to join the Big Ten last year but the league instead chose Nebraska. The university official said the Big Ten remains Missouri's top choice but that conference "has no interest."

"That's what's left," the official said, referring to the SEC.

Looks like the SEC was finally 2nd in something, lol.
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