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Re: Staff changes?
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2011, 08:52:51 AM »
Analysis like this makes the woopig subscription fee worth every nickel.

Hurrdy durr, yeah man it sure was nice watching Joe run them tds against Missouri state, too bad he couldn't do that against legit competition. 

And those 80+ yard punt return touchdowns we gave up in our only two big games were no big deal. 

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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2011, 09:00:11 AM »
Hurrdy durr, yeah man it sure was nice watching Joe run them tds against Missouri state, too bad he couldn't do that against legit competition. 

And those 80+ yard punt return touchdowns we gave up in our only two big games were no big deal. 

I am not claiming I am right, I am saying I don't get it.

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2011, 09:04:41 AM »
Did you face palm because you just realized a sick punt return against Tennessee won't win aMm?  And that the huge returns we gave up against Bama and Lsu were game changing plays?  I know, it is frustrating.

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2011, 10:15:03 AM »
Did you face palm because you just realized a sick punt return against Tennessee won't win aMm?  And that the huge returns we gave up against Bama and Lsu were game changing plays?  I know, it is frustrating.

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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2011, 10:44:17 AM »
Did you face palm because you just realized a sick punt return against Tennessee won't win aMm?  And that the huge returns we gave up against Bama and Lsu were game changing plays?  I know, it is frustrating.

What about the kickoff return against Carolina in a tie ball game?

That was kind of important.

I'm with you that those two returns were daggers. But better teams make plays. Doesn't mean we didn't get the most out of our special teams this year. 

If you're only as good as your worst moment, then Alabama's special teams suck. They missed those kicks, right?  Fire their ST coach.

If you're only as good as your worst, you're taking this board down with a coat hanger one post at a time.

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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2011, 10:56:53 AM »
What about the kickoff return against Carolina in a tie ball game?

DJ had to break a tackle at the 20 because of a missed assignment.  And if you notice it was Keante Minor blocking for DJ because Wade was suspended for that other special teams gaffe the week before against Vandy.

If you're only as good as your worst moment, then Alabama's special teams suck. They missed those kicks, right?  Fire their ST coach.

That case is different because it's the specialists that need improving, not the special teams.  They need a better kicker, not a new coach calling the plays. 


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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2011, 10:57:15 AM »
There is nothing I hate more than a fan too stupid to know his team has a good thing going, so he yells and screams and bemoans whatever mistakes he can find, because that's all he knows how to do as a fan: complain.


Some of these people grew up with Nutt as their coach, and they spent a decade accentuating the negative, because it almost always overshadowed the positive. Now that we have a coach/program that in 4 years is nationally relevant, been ranked for 2 years straight, has won 20 games in 2 years, blah blah blah, some fans don't know what to do.

For ten years the sunshine pumpers were the idiots, because they refused to see we had a bad thing going.

Now it's the debbie downers who are the idiots, because they refuse to see we're good again.




Do we have a staff/head coach that knows what we need to improve on? Yes.
Are we perfect? No.

Not yet.








DJ had to break a tackle at the 20 because of a missed assignment. 


and this is the stupidest thing ever, because you then said this

That case is different because it's the specialists that need improving,


So you blame the Arkansas coach when a player misses a block, but you blame the Alabama player when he misses a kick.

Gotcha
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2011, 11:04:59 AM »
So you blame the Arkansas coach when a player misses a block, but you blame the Alabama player when he misses a kick.

Gotcha

If Alabama had a kickers coach I might blame him, but they don't and most colleges don't. 

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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2011, 11:07:03 AM »
If Alabama had a kickers coach I might blame him, but they don't and most colleges don't.
So we have a kickoff return blockers coach?
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2011, 11:11:24 AM »
Yes, this guy.

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=204769899

So what you are saying is that he is responsible for everyone on the special teams except for the kickers/punter?  What about the deep snapper?  Who coaches that guy?

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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2011, 11:12:51 AM »
Fire Garrick McGee because Tyler Wilson threw a pick six against Bama that changed the game completely.
Who the frick are you and why are you worthy of my praise?

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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2011, 11:13:21 AM »
What about the deep snapper?

Danny Nutt's ears just perked up and he volunteered.

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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2011, 11:17:21 AM »
So what you are saying is that he is responsible for everyone on the special teams except for the kickers/punter?  What about the deep snapper?  Who coaches that guy?

Nobody.

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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2011, 11:20:00 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2011, 11:21:40 AM »
Yes, this guy.

http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=204769899

Otherwise known as the Special Teams Coordinator?  Even Bammer has one of them.  I'm pretty sure that responsibility includes the kickers, or, do you believe they just let the kickers do whatever the Starkville the feel like doing on kickoffs, FGs and punts?

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Re: Staff changes?
« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2011, 11:22:08 AM »
So what you are saying is that he is responsible for everyone on the special teams except for the kickers/punter?  What about the deep snapper?  Who coaches that guy?
It's more simple than that. You see, when good happens it is the player, when bad happens to another team it is the player, when bad happens to your team, it is the coaches fault.

It's funny because that's basically what our Special Teams coach said in his famous rant, so maybe this manbearpig douche is right.
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Re: Staff changes?
« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2011, 11:26:41 AM »
Otherwise known as the Special Teams Coordinator?  Even Bammer has one of them.  I'm pretty sure that responsibility includes the kickers, or, do you believe they just let the kickers do whatever the Starkville the feel like doing on kickoffs, FGs and punts?

If you ever go to a practice you'll notice that yes, the kickers do whatever the Starkville they feel like doing the entire time. 

What is John L. Smith gonna tell Hocker or Breeding?  Kick it harder?  Kick it over there?

It's Smith's responsibility to call plays for the coverage teams and teach them to tackle and block the right people.  Not much he can do for the kickers.


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« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2011, 11:28:29 AM »
They can have him, our special teams suck outside of Hocker and Breeding and John L. doesn't even coach those two.

Of course Joe is a good return man but that has nothing to do with Smith.  He's supposed to get our guys in position to make a play and when they aren't the consequences are pretty bad.

Watch the coaches show...almost every show Bobby is showing in detail how they set up certain returns. There is strategy and coaching going on, but more on that later. People forget last season our return game was horrible in lieu of Johnson getting injured and Wade not being cleared to play...that fricked us up badly. If I recall those new wedge rules went into affect last season as well and it took a season to adjust to that. We fixed the return game by using our horses and managing to stay healthy, our blocking schemes were at times very well done. How much of that is directly due to John L Smith I don't know, special teams in college are often a collaborative effort with the ST coach being a title and little else. I do know our special teams were in horrible shape prior to his arrival and they have gradually gotten better so long as we had the players to stick out on the field. I have seen Bobby explain where # so and so has a responsibility to which ever player they pin pointed on the opposing team...there is strategy it comes down to execution.

We lucked into Hocker, that much is certain but you have to catch a break now and then especially with kickers and punters. Where a special teams coach IMO comes in handy is having someone devoted to finding the next kicker, punter, gunner, long snapper. Notice we had a true freshman long snapper this year and have had few problems out of that, I was scared going into the season that could be an issue. Somebody did their homework on the kid. As long as we aren't caught with our pants down when it comes time to bring in another kicker and punter...I'm fine with whomever is doing that job of talent evaluating for special teams. There is no doubt we lack the Tom Crowder types that are going to haul ass down field and frick somebody's day up. Wade is going to be a star next season if he manages to stay out of trouble but I wouldn't count on him playing gunner. He happens to be the best we have for that role right now.

The bigger problem I see with special teams and defense is players having a willingness to jack somebodies aMm up. We do not have a killer instinct in these phases or at least not consistently enough to get over the occasional big return. Against LSU 3 guys were in position to make the tackle and every one of them waited for the other to make the play. Honey Badger didn't give a aMm he just darted right on through those guys and it was blouses. Good teams have great return guys...we have 3 legit threats most teams have maybe one. Alabama and LSU got one on us, Great teams don't give up those plays against other Great teams. Is that a 60 something year old man's fault or the kids on the field that undoubtedly are coached to tackle a motherfricker.
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Re: Staff changes?
« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2011, 11:35:56 AM »
Hurrdy durr, yeah man it sure was nice watching Joe run them tds against Missouri state, too bad he couldn't do that against legit competition.
 
Did you face palm because you just realized a sick punt return against Tennessee won't win aMm?  And that the huge returns we gave up against Bama and Lsu were game changing plays?  I know, it is frustrating.
Hey dipshit.  Tennessee isn't some sorry ass rent a win school.  And I'd venture to say if you asked them, that when Joe housed that 60 yarder against them, (you know the one, where he had a wall of blockers the last 40 yards of it), that it was probably a game changing momentum shifter.  At that point in the game it was 7-0 at the end of the first.  In the LSU game when Sysqo returned that punt against us it was 14-7 us near the 4:00 minute mark in the second quarter.  So yes asshole the punt return against us was a back breaker, but we still were only tied.  If you go back and watch it again, we had 3 guys surround HB and we just whiffed the tackle.  Also the formation called for the punt to be kicked toward the sideline and Breeding just plain shanked it.

If Alabama had a kickers coach I might blame him, but they don't and most colleges don't. 
  First off what are you basing this off of?  Just because your uncles Hoot and Danny never bothered to coach Kickers and Punters doesn't mean that a real coach doesn't work with kickers and punters on technique.  Secondly even if they didn't (which for the record they do and if you bothered to attend even one of the open practices in the early summer or spring you would know) then my point above about Breeding shanking the punt to the middle of the field when it was a sideline punt call should be reason enough to forgive Smith based on your asinine argument.   

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« Reply #48 on: November 30, 2011, 11:44:43 AM »
If you ever go to a practice you'll notice that yes, the kickers do whatever the Starkville they feel like doing the entire time. 

What is John L. Smith gonna tell Hocker or Breeding?  Kick it harder?  Kick it over there?

It's Smith's responsibility to call plays for the coverage teams and teach them to tackle and block the right people.  Not much he can do for the kickers.

So, then what the kicker does has no bearing on anything else on the ST unit?  There's no correct way to do particular kicks, like squibs, onside kicks, or punts inside the 10?  You just kick it and hope Paul Eells gives you a favorable outcome?

I'm not saying Smith is the end all of special teams coaching.  I am saying he's either responsible for all of it, or none of it.

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« Reply #49 on: November 30, 2011, 11:46:35 AM »
Ok, you're right sir, I've seen the lights.  I'm just gonna go lick the cat's butt now.

Gross!

 

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