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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2012, 06:04:21 PM »
Okay, so this is Woopig.net, where we are smarter than the average message board and not necessarily a bunch of zombies spouting the same regurgitated spin over and over again in order to fall in line..... so I ask because I don't follow PAC football and I've never even watched a Stanford game over a series this year.

Is this Luck kid really worthy of the comparisons to John Elway?

Not even close.  Wilson's a better QB than Luck.

But, Luck is a good one, and he will play on the next level.  He reminds me of Harbaugh.

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2012, 06:34:19 PM »
I was pretty impressed with Luck.  But how Rev Hair can say he's the best prospect since Elway is beyond me.  I'm no NFL QB expert, but Peyton Manning was easily the surest thing at QB I've ever seen.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2012, 06:40:46 PM »
Not even close.  Wilson's a better QB than Luck.

But, Luck is a good one, and he will play on the next level.  He reminds me of Harbaugh.

You think Tyler wilson is better than Andrew luck?
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2012, 06:52:21 PM »
You think Tyler wilson is better than Andrew luck?

I believe that's what he said.

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2012, 06:54:33 PM »
Not even close.  Wilson's a better QB than Luck.

But, Luck is a good one, and he will play on the next level.  He reminds me of Harbaugh.
 

Wilson doesn't have as good a arm as Luck and he holds on to the ball too long. Luck makes quicker reads and is really good on putting the right amount of touch on the ball or when to use extra zip. Luck would have passed for threve billion yards in this offense compared to run based offense he was in.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2012, 07:19:21 PM »
 

Wilson doesn't have as good a arm as Luck and he holds on to the ball too long. Luck makes quicker reads and is really good on putting the right amount of touch on the ball or when to use extra zip. Luck would have passed for threve billion yards in this offense compared to run based offense he was in.

He also does a good job of reading the defense an calling/audibling plays. He looks pretty NFL ready to me.

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2012, 07:22:06 PM »
You think Tyler wilson is better than Andrew luck?

I know that he is. 

Swap them out.  Put Luck behind our OL playing against the SEC West.  Do you seriously think he'd have been more effective than Wilson?  Put Wilson behind Stanford's line...he'd have done same or better than Luck.  He'd have been top three in the Heisman vote.

Tell me how they're not, at the very least, equals.  I think Wilson is a better QB.

 

Wilson doesn't have as good a arm as Luck and he holds on to the ball too long. Luck makes quicker reads and is really good on putting the right amount of touch on the ball or when to use extra zip. Luck would have passed for threve billion yards in this offense compared to run based offense he was in.

Put Wilson in Stanford's offense and he does more than Luck did this year.  Luck's solid, but Wilson is better. They're two of the top three QBs in the country.

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2012, 07:23:53 PM »
Honest question, but how many really good D's has he played against?  Even in his bowl games he has played against a couple of pretty shaky teams from a D perspective if I remember correctly.

He might throw for a ton of yards in our O, at Stanford, against Pac-12 D's.  I do wonder how he would do against the Bama's of the world.  I have watched him go all game without getting hit.  That is right, without getting his pretty uniform dirty.  And some of his running plays might not look so good against SEC speed/size. 

Not saying he isn't a good QB, but he has just about a perfect situation there with a good O-Line in a conf that plays zero D.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2012, 07:25:41 PM »
Honest question, but how many really good D's has he played against?  Even in his bowl games he has played against a couple of pretty shaky teams from a D perspective if I remember correctly.

He might throw for a ton of yards in our O, at Stanford, against Pac-12 D's.  I do wonder how he would do against the Bama's of the world.  I have watched him go all game without getting hit.  That is right, without getting his pretty uniform dirty.  And some of his running plays might not look so good against SEC speed/size. 

Not saying he isn't a good QB, but he has just about a perfect situation there with a good O-Line in a conf that plays zero D.

Exactly.

Tyler's balls are large, and they have dropped.  Luck plays in a puthy conference.

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2012, 07:28:41 PM »
 The fact that people are talking about him at all means he is pretty damn good. You also have to remember this is basically his first year. Maybe these people see something I don't but I think he needs another years work. Plus I'm selfish.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2012, 07:34:11 PM »
The fact that people are talking about him at all means he is pretty damn good. You also have to remember this is basically his first year. Maybe these people see something I don't but I think he needs another years work. Plus I'm selfish.

He'll go low first round/early second if he goes out right now.  He'll be a top three pick after next year.

Tyler Wilson is the best QB we've had since Joe Ferguson, and he's already had more success than Joe had for the Hogs.  Damn shame Frank didn't know how to use Joe. 

Petrino knows how to use Wilson. 

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2012, 07:52:24 PM »
I know that he is. 

Swap them out.  Put Luck behind our OL playing against the SEC West.  Do you seriously think he'd have been more effective than Wilson?  Put Wilson behind Stanford's line...he'd have done same or better than Luck.  He'd have been top three in the Heisman vote.

Tell me how they're not, at the very least, equals.  I think Wilson is a better QB.

Put Wilson in Stanford's offense and he does more than Luck did this year.  Luck's solid, but Wilson is better. They're two of the top three QBs in the country.
 

Luck would have gotten rid of the ball quicker and checked into different plays compared to Wilson. Luck doesn't have near the weapons that Wilson has here to throw to. Luck has a stronger arm and is more accurate with his passes than Wilson. Luck throws the deep ball and other routes that require a strong arm much more accurately than Wilson. Luck also has great anticipation on where his receiver will come out of his break and sees the field better. Wilson can get away with passes on the move with bad arm angles because of his baseball experience but that is about all he has over him. Even if Wilson plays here another year and tightens up his game, the bottom line is that Luck has more physical talent than Wilson or Harbaugh the guy you compared him to.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2012, 08:05:49 PM »
 

Luck would have gotten rid of the ball quicker and checked into different plays compared to Wilson. Luck doesn't have near the weapons that Wilson has here to throw to. Luck has a stronger arm and is more accurate with his passes than Wilson. Luck throws the deep ball and other routes that require a strong arm much more accurately than Wilson. Luck also has great anticipation on where his receiver will come out of his break and sees the field better. Wilson can get away with passes on the move with bad arm angles because of his baseball experience but that is about all he has over him. Even if Wilson plays here another year and tightens up his game, the bottom line is that Luck has more physical talent than Wilson or Harbaugh the guy you compared him to.

Wilson will be a better NFL QB than Luck will be.

Luck will have a Harbaugh career.  Wilson will have a Favre career.

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2012, 08:06:56 PM »
Luck is the real deal. He can make all the throws, has a quick release, he's tough and he's smart as Starkville. I would take him in a New York minute with the #1 overall pick. I'm not saying he's a can't miss because you never know but he's pretty special.

It's unfair to base your opinion based on where he played or the conference he is in. Watch a professional game and look at some of the schools these guys come from. Talent is talent no matter where you play!

Disclaimer: I am not comparing him to Wilson.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2012, 08:15:11 PM »
Wilson will be a better NFL QB than Luck will be.

Luck will have a Harbaugh career.  Wilson will have a Favre career.
 

Wilson doesn't nearly have Favre's arm or talent. Wilson is good but Luck is the real deal.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2012, 08:26:05 PM »
 

Wilson doesn't nearly have Favre's arm or talent.

Nobody has ever had Favre's arm and no one ever will. 

Thankfully, ARod is the best QB ever.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2012, 08:26:10 PM »
Okay, so this is Woopig.net, where we are smarter than the average message board and not necessarily a bunch of zombies spouting the same regurgitated spin over and over again in order to fall in line..... so I ask because I don't follow PAC football and I've never even watched a Stanford game over a series this year.

Is this Luck kid really worthy of the comparisons to John Elway?

Luck is very good but not Elway. I have only seen him in small doses, but he looked pretty damn accurate. I think he is going to be one of those guys that finds a way to be accurate under damn near any conditions. Wilson is very simular but I'm not convinced he has it upstairs.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2012, 08:39:52 PM »
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2012, 08:43:56 PM »
Nobody has ever had Favre's arm and no one ever will. 

Thankfully, ARod is the best QB ever.

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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2012, 08:47:12 PM »
Most all of the top qbs in the league were less regarded than their piers who were picked higher. Luck may follow that trend and not live up to the billing or he could be that rare pick that ends up being worth the hype.

The high picks go to aMm teams and don't get the chance to develop around a core of good pros, so I guess it's luck of the draw.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2012, 08:58:28 PM »
I believe that's what he said.

Okay.  Since you answered for him I guess you do too? 

I just don't know what makes anyone think at this point that Wilson is better than luck. Luck can make all the throws. He moves well. His coach says his best trait is his ability to check them into a good play. Tyler is tough and had a Starkville of a season, but I don't think they are even in the same league.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2012, 09:03:35 PM »
Todd McShay said it, but last year he had Mallett 7th or some aMm behind that guy from Nevada.  frick that dude, how can you look at both quarterbacks' and come to the conclusion that Wilson would get drafted higher?

Wilson is a good quarterback but he's not made for the NFL the way Mallett is.

 Wilson got his clock cleaned 50 or 60 times this year and got up every time. Im thinking his toughness catches NFL coaches attention. I also think Malletts slowness to get up after a few hits caught coaches attention as well. But Mallett can throw 60 yards w/o the ball getting higher than 10' ....nobody can do that .
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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2012, 10:26:54 PM »
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2012, 10:56:37 PM »
Andrew Luck is the absolute truth at the quarterback position.

I love Tyler Wilson, but he's not even close to Luck.
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Re: Hogs in the Draft
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2012, 11:52:01 PM »
Nobody has ever had Favre's arm and no one ever will. 


Cutler is close as is Mallett


Okay.  Since you answered for him I guess you do too? 


Nah, I was just being a smartass.  I personally don't think Wilson is as good as Mallett was last year.  By the end of next year though he might be.

 

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