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Offline Sus-Scrofa

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Re: the band
« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2012, 08:36:40 PM »
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« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2012, 09:23:33 PM »
So much misinformation in this thread. 

There is a UofA Orchestra.

Not all music majors are in marching band, some of them that are in the top performing ensembles can opt out of it.  Usually scholarship requirements for majors have a large ensemble and a small ensemble clause per semester.  Non major scholarships vary from school to school. 

The irony is for the most part music scholarships exist for the desire to have a bigger band to please the crowd.  Like it or not, without football music scholarships would be drastically reduced.  Choir and orchestra scholarships are there pretty much because the marching band exists and the music department has to be fair and equitable, but in no other department besides athletics does the scholarship money flow so freely.  Why, because the original desire of schools to outdo each other at halftime.  That's where it all began.

Some kids love marching and can't play.  Some kids hate marching because they feel it's beneath their level.  Some just like being a part of an organization.  There's all types.

Those that are saying go "DCI" that's what they have done except keep the woodwinds in.  Go "DCI" and you will have an equal number of male and female colorguard members.  You are also going to have one show that is so musically over people's heads that they don't care (even more that they don't care now).

I tell all people who are going to music majors that you better have some desire to teach and get that ed degree because the other isn't going to pay the bills.  A very limited number of performance or composition majors ever make a living off of performing or composing music.  They have day jobs.  You can play with a music ed degree but you can do nothing put play and flip burgers with that performance degree.

Why did I just waste 5 minutes of my life typing this?  I have no idea.

Hey Band Geek, what's DCI?


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Re: the band
« Reply #127 on: January 11, 2012, 09:28:26 PM »
Worst.

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Ever.
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Re: the band
« Reply #128 on: January 11, 2012, 09:30:50 PM »
Worst.

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And yet you're sticking with it.
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« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2012, 09:31:32 PM »
Hey Band Geek, what's DCI?

Hey dickhead, Drum Corps International. It's a summer marching competition that originated with American Legion and VFW groups using drums and military bugles. Using only students under 21 many groups were sponsored by Boy Scout troops. It's evolved into what most bands copy today.

Don't be that guy, you could have just googled instead.

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« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2012, 10:00:10 PM »
My point in my initial rant was that anything associated with the football program must carry the same commitment to excellence as BMFP puts into the team.  JFB did this in developing the facilities, the other sports, and the early marketing.  Anything less detracts from the program.  The complete presence of the band and associated flag corps and twirlers is an abysmal fail, from a performance, appearance, and entertainment perspective. 

All the band apologists sound like nutthuggers accepting mediocrity as their lot as Arkansans.  The whole concept of a marching band at a football game has one goal... Get the crowd rocking and driving emotions.  This group doesn't do that;  they are not at road games, so the band might not be missed at all.

Big video boards allow different entertainment options.  Play extended highlights of legacy wins.  Seinfeld reruns.  Porn.  Videos of good bands.  Don't really care; just put hotter women in the squads.

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« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2012, 10:03:27 PM »
  The whole concept of a marching band at a football game has one goal... Get the crowd rocking and driving emotions.

Agreed. Especially in college.

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Re: the band
« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2012, 10:32:15 PM »
Hey dickhead, Drum Corps International. It's a summer marching competition that originated with American Legion and VFW groups using drums and military bugles. Using only students under 21 many groups were sponsored by Boy Scout troops. It's evolved into what most bands copy today.

Don't be that guy, you could have just googled instead.

Na, much easier asking you.  I've googled a million things and band wasnt in any of them unless it was that french chick in American Pie.

If we have more Band performances in Little Rock, the band would be much better. Plus Norm could open discovery more than just saturday.

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« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2012, 11:08:10 PM »
What is this discovery you speak of? I would google, but obviously you know lots about it already.

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« Reply #134 on: January 12, 2012, 12:25:29 AM »
I like it when I am watching the feature twirler and she is twisting and and spinning and the leg of her suit goes up the crack of her ass and she can't pull it because she is too busy performing.

We need more of that.

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« Reply #135 on: January 12, 2012, 07:25:33 AM »
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« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2012, 07:53:15 AM »
Those that are saying go "DCI" that's what they have done except keep the woodwinds in.
Uh, no.  Nothing about our band is DCI'esque.  They've gotten to the point where they have 20 pages of drill from what I can tell.  That's about as anti-DCI as I can think.  Outside of having woodwinds...oh wait.

To me, "going DCI" would involve shrinking the size of the band significantly and having more competition for the limited number of heftier scholarships.  200-250 kids that wanted to be there and that were being rewarded would put out a helluva better presentation, IMO.  The athletic department would need to get on board, I suppose.  But just show them videos of DCI bands, tell them that's the direction we want to go, and say if we get this done we'll be on the level of Texas A&M in terms of uniqueness.

You are also going to have one show that is so musically over people's heads that they don't care (even more that they don't care now).

Well if we've already gone DCI, wouldn't we already be playing one show that is musically over people's heads?


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« Reply #137 on: January 12, 2012, 10:43:07 AM »
Look. I'll say it one more time. UofA is a "corps style" band meaning they emulate the drum and bugle corps style during their halftime show while using band instruments. They use glide step, adjusted stride, curve-linear forms, colorguard, front ensemble percussion, etc.  The current director was heavily involved in Sky Ryders Drum and Bugle Corps for years. It may not be a very good one, but it is by definition a corps style band. 

If you are just saying get rid of the woodwinds and do what we currently do better then fine. It will never happen as a college band part of the hidden curriculum with a marching is also to train the few music ed students for what they will be teaching in high school on a smaller scale. Hence why a small pocket of Texas bands still march military style, their directors came from that Aggie background.

Being in band in high school and a year or two in college is similar to armchair quarterbacks thinking they know more than BMFP. My high school football career only made me know enough to know I probably really know nothing.

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« Reply #138 on: January 12, 2012, 11:02:51 AM »
Just get Pine Bluff High's band and let em get crunk at halftime.

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« Reply #139 on: January 12, 2012, 11:20:44 AM »
Just get Pine Bluff High's band and let em get crunk at halftime.

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« Reply #140 on: January 12, 2012, 12:17:52 PM »
Look. I'll say it one more time. UofA is a "corps style" band meaning they emulate the drum and bugle corps style during their halftime show while using band instruments. They use glide step, adjusted stride, curve-linear forms, colorguard, front ensemble percussion, etc.  The current director was heavily involved in Sky Ryders Drum and Bugle Corps for years. It may not be a very good one, but it is by definition a corps style band. 

I never said we WEREN'T a corps style band.  I know the difference between the two.  But we don't follow their model at all. 

If you are just saying get rid of the woodwinds and do what we currently do better then fine. It will never happen as a college band part of the hidden curriculum with a marching is also to train the few music ed students for what they will be teaching in high school on a smaller scale.

Exactly what I'm saying.  Be unique.  We're just like every other band in the SEC.  A&M is so damn popular because they're the only band that still does military style anymore, pretty much.  If every college band in America did military style, A&M's band would be a lot less popular.  In that same vain, let's be the one band that goes all brass/drums. 

As for the non-brass/percussion music ed majors, I don't know. Actually being on the field and marching is beneficial, but it's not like a music ed xylophone player, who never marched, would get any more exposure than a flutist. You're right, though. That would be a hurdle.  Music theory is a hurdle too.  A woodwind could easily monitor marching band rehearsals and gain an understanding.  You could easily have a training band for those that didn't make the razorback band.  Think outside the box.  Don't get stuck up in the way we've been doing it so far.  Let's see if Arkansas can recreate the mold.

 
Hence why a small pocket of Texas bands still march military style, their directors came from that Aggie background.

I know all about that, coming from a district in Texas where there were plenty of military bands.


Being in band in high school and a year or two in college is similar to armchair quarterbacks thinking they know more than BMFP. My high school football career only made me know enough to know I probably really know nothing.

So the only people capable of commenting intelligently on marching bands are those that have high school band experience and FOUR years in college? Damn. I was so close.

Give em a break. 

Those people are going to teach like they were taught.  They're going to keep the status quo. I'm advocating a reinvention of that.

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Re: the band
« Reply #141 on: January 12, 2012, 12:24:11 PM »
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« Reply #142 on: January 13, 2012, 07:33:08 AM »
Just want to point something out to y'all.

A very short time ago the week after bowl season would see thread after thread about the massive need for a coaching  change, the vast talent gap was between Arkansas and the teams playing in the BCS, and how everyone dreamed about the day when Arkansas would be one of those teams.

Now you've got a 6 page thread about how the band needs to step it up.

In case anyone missed it, that's a pretty good sign that you've arrived.....

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Re: the band
« Reply #143 on: January 13, 2012, 07:58:50 AM »
Just want to point something out to y'all.

A very short time ago the week after bowl season would see thread after thread about the massive need for a coaching  change, the vast talent gap was between Arkansas and the teams playing in the BCS, and how everyone dreamed about the day when Arkansas would be one of those teams.

Now you've got a 6 page thread about how the band needs to step it up.

In case anyone missed it, that's a pretty good sign that you've arrived.....

I like it.
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« Reply #144 on: January 13, 2012, 08:33:18 AM »
Dear Mr. Boring Halftime Show King...
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« Reply #145 on: January 13, 2012, 08:36:54 AM »
Dear Mr. Boring Halftime Show King...
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« Reply #146 on: January 13, 2012, 08:48:22 AM »
I don't think I've ever typed lol, but that made me lol
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« Reply #147 on: January 13, 2012, 05:55:23 PM »
Hey Band Geek, what's DCI?
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« Reply #148 on: January 13, 2012, 06:04:36 PM »
I would like to apolgize for creating a topic which was a complaint that having a shitty band and dumptruck sized womens on the field was a poor image for the football program to be associated with.  And maybe we'd get some nekkid pictures of nicer looking womenfolks.

I did not believe it would involve actual conversations regarding differences in music theory and marching philosophies.  For that, I am truly sorry. 

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« Reply #149 on: January 13, 2012, 08:31:32 PM »
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