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Re: the band
« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2012, 08:29:28 PM »
They were doing this when i was there in '87

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Re: the band
« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2012, 08:30:17 PM »
Im with you on this JBH. My grandmother (c/o '39) taught me how to sing my Alma Mater when I was a kid.

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Re: the band
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2012, 08:30:56 PM »
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Re: the band
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2012, 08:36:44 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2012, 08:38:58 PM »
We're you a flaggot?   :stache:
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Re: the band
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2012, 06:51:50 AM »
I had a slutty 7th grade science teacher who had been a majorette at UA in the 70s.  On days that it was all just too much and she'd take a half a valium, she'd get really relaxed  in class and start talking about various things that were borderline sexual or just plain strange.

One day, I remember her talking about how in the 70s, the majorettes all had to weigh-in at the start of the season.  Each game, they had to weigh before taking part in the band for that game.  If they were ever more than 3 lbs heavier than their "game weight" they were held out.  They made a point to enforce the weight guidelines so our girls would all look sexy on tv.

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Re: the band
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2012, 07:38:20 AM »
I have been going to Razorback games since the mid sixties.  Before I start this rant, I will qualify my position that I dont really find any value in marching bands, flag corps, baton twirlers, or male cheerleaders in college football.  Give me a ten-fifteen  minute halftime, maybe a homecoming queen, maybe a celebration of legacy players, maybe dogs playing frisbee, or peewee squads playing four games at once.

If one has a marching band, however, I think one should be have the best fricking band out there.  If you have to have flag girls, make sure they are a squad that does one proud.  Shoot all baton twirlers regardless unless they're nekkid and twirling dangerous implents or fire.

In going to Hog games for almost fifty years, I have to say this band has sucked for that entire stretch, and imo, they really sucked Friday night.  The tired routine, the awful uniforms, the same songs I heard in 1972.  They should play only the fight song.  Nothing else.  The "gimme a H" cheer by the band announcer was as lame as anything I've ever heard.  My opinion is this band needs to be traded out for a solid high school unit that can rock out.

What is more concerning is from a recruiting standpoint with the onfield womens of the flag corps and twirlers. (not cheerleaders).  I said in another post how my son marveled at how hot the Arkansas fan womens were.  This flag squad evidently is under some Title IX mandate to provide a place for anyone who desires a place at the table. First, not all of them were women.   I know the squad on our end had an enormous overweight dude swishing around with that dime store flag.  The women on that end werent much better.  The lead baton twirler was about the size of a Buick.

BMFP needs to determine that this is a critical issue for the program, and either take over the band program and shoot whatever football haters are in place and put some good looking womens on the field.  What prospect would come to the program if his only vision of Arkansas women is the halftime show?

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Re: the band
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2012, 08:36:40 AM »
I was at Jerry World a few weeks ago for the Texas State HS Champioships and watched some 3A school band actually march like TAMU's band, then go into a skit ala the Rice MOB, then finish with a Christmas theme medley with cheerleaders as reindeers.....and they put the show together in 1 week.

The frick they did.  Where did you get that from?  And if they did, it's because of this: "some 3A school band actually march like TAMU's band," aka follow the leader.  High school kids are fricking dumbasses.  I marched in the U of A band for 2 years, but I started off from in a 3A band in Texas.  We get "1's" at UIL, meaning we did great.  But it took us, literally, all year to learn that drill.  Not all of us, obviously, but you have to remember there are tons of 13-14 year old freshmen that can hardly play their instrument, much less drill. 

I'm betting that band marches with extremely poor precision.  That's fine for crowds.  But would be laughed at if magnified with 350 members.  That's why learning precision is so important...so that when you get to college you know what the frick you're doing. 

Our band freaking repeats shows, supposedly due to "popular demand".  Bullshit.

I don't know if it's still the case, but when I marched we did each show 2 times (once in Fayetteville, once in Little Rock).  That meant we learned 3 shows every year and we'd do some kind of augmented show for the bowl game.  A&M's almighty band learns, what, 1 show every century? 3 shows is plenty.  Memorizing 3-4 songs and 30-45 pages of drill ain't frickin' easy. 

Dale Warren demanded a lot from the band when he was there.  I had to bust my ass for him (more challenging music and much harder drill).  Gunter dumbed things down to a comical level, and he dampened the sound in preference of a "clean" sound. I don't think it's nearly as bad as it was under him, but it's still obvious to me that there isn't as much drill being performed.  Way too much standing still or "baby step" moves where a formation would change only a few feet.  I remember having to march backwards, across the field, at a near sprint just to make sets for Warren. 

The problem is leadership.  And the fact that kids nowadays are putheys.  Parents allow them to be.  Parents allow their fat fricking kids to have that sense of entitlement that they should be allowed to be a flaggot even when 400 lbs.  They cry. They complain.  On more than one occasion I had to be "talked to" because of my frustrations with this stuff like 12 years ago.  As someone who played every sport AND did band, I'm highly competitive...and I hated other people taking it easy/going through the motions when others busted their asses and tried to be perfect.  But that's how it'll always be when you have over 300 kids with varying motives.

But you can't blame the kids.  They really do bust their asses (well, moreso than the average non-athlete).  Music majors put in tons of hours, especially if you're in the marching band (often a prerequisite for getting your scholarship).  The 4 semesters I was a music major almost ALWAYS consisted of going to class every day, all day because so many of the music classes are only 1 or 2 hours a week.  But you're having to practice hours daily to meet your private instructors' expectations for you.  Then you go march from 3-5 on the practice field. It's a full time job.  I couldn't handle it (got severely burnt out), hence the reason I'm now in finance. 

The UofA band would be much more unique/impressive if they would just mimic a DCI band.  Nothing but horns and percussion.  Woodwinds are fricking pointless.  You can't hear 90% of the aMm they play (I can't, anyway).  You hear brass.  You hear drums.  It would probably piss off a lot of people, but I think we'd instantly become one of the best, most memorable bands in college football if we went DCI style.  No one else does it, that I'm aware of. 

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Re: the band
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2012, 08:51:20 AM »
I was sitting on their side and asked. Was told by more than one person that it was a different performance than the week before, and not from a band members parent. I know folks bag on A&M's band for being follow the leader, but it's visually stunning and they actually march and play at the same time AND in straight lines. Have you seen our band lately? Looks like a cluster frick. They don't really "march"...they just sorta move around back and forth.

And they do repeat shows....I've actually seen the same one 3 times in a row. The shows aren't that great that they should be repeated at all, let alone twice.
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Re: the band
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2012, 08:57:26 AM »
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Re: the band
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2012, 09:07:54 AM »
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Re: the band
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2012, 09:08:54 AM »
I was sitting on their side and asked. Was told by more than one person that it was a different performance than the week before, and not from a band members parent. I know folks bag on A&M's band for being follow the leader, but it's visually stunning and they actually march and play at the same time AND in straight lines. Have you seen our band lately? Looks like a cluster frick. They don't really "march"...they just sorta move around back and forth.

And they do repeat shows....I've actually seen the same one 3 times in a row. The shows aren't that great that they should be repeated at all, let alone twice.

That's fine and dandy.  I guarantee you that it looked like hot garbage.  And I guarantee you they didn't memorize the music.  It's easy as frick to concentrate on your marching when you don't have to worry about which note is coming up next.  And it probably sounded like aMm too.  But I don't believe, for one second, that a band of probably 50-60 kids (fairly standard for 3A in texas) could put together a new show in 1 week, which is 4 days mind you.  No. fricking. Way.  Which school is this? I bet it's on youtube, as epic as it must have been. 

A&M's band is cool because they're the only ones that still do it.  Military style is universally considered pretty rudimentary.  They're different, therefore they're cool.  If the UofA wanted to mimic A&M's style, I guarantee you they could look similar within 4 years, but we'd have to trim the fat (literally) with some of them big 'uns. 

Arkansas, nor any other corp style band, makes marching in a straight line a priority.  We pretty much ONLY do it during pregame.  A&M starts off in the endzone, one by one, directly behind the person behind them.  As long as those front people know their drill, everyone else should be okay for the most part.  We start from the sidelines most games (I only made it to 1 game this year, so I can only assume), with every person responsible for finding their 1 spot on the field.  Every person. No cheating.  For every song. 

Now maybe that's a discussion to be had...whether we should change our style or something so that it's easier.  But the fans would have to be prepared for nothing but Sousa marches every halftime.  You don't march military style and play Phantom of the Opera.  That aMm don't jive.  ;D

I never said the band didn't repeat shows.  But you're batshit crazy if you think college bands DON'T repeat shows.  It's not magic. You don't just pop in a new show training chip into every kid's head and they magically memorize 4 songs and 45 movements (i.e., 40 yard line, 2 steps towards the hash, 1 step towards the 35 yard line. That's one position.  x's 40.).  It just doesn't work like that.  Maybe if the band members weren't full time students, many of whom also work part time jobs, it'd be easier.  But typically the band practices for 1.5-2 hours every week day.  It's a tight squeeze when you make a switch from 1 show to another.  I remember learning the last few pages of drill the day before the game. 

And, like I said, A&M does the same show every year for every game.  THE HORROR!


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Re: the band
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2012, 09:13:22 AM »
Like someone else said, its good times in Fayetteville when all we can sit and truly bitch about is the fricking band.

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Re: the band
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2012, 09:17:41 AM »
That reminds me of the dumb principal I knew once that was tired of seeing the same show from the home band and said, "every visiting band this year has come in here and performed a different halftime show this season."

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Re: the band
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2012, 10:20:52 AM »
Band threads are awesome.

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Re: the band
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2012, 10:27:11 AM »
That's fine and dandy.  I guarantee you that it looked like hot garbage.  And I guarantee you they didn't memorize the music.  It's easy as frick to concentrate on your marching when you don't have to worry about which note is coming up next.  And it probably sounded like aMm too.  But I don't believe, for one second, that a band of probably 50-60 kids (fairly standard for 3A in texas) could put together a new show in 1 week, which is 4 days mind you.  No. fricking. Way.  Which school is this? I bet it's on youtube, as epic as it must have been. 

A&M's band is cool because they're the only ones that still do it.  Military style is universally considered pretty rudimentary.  They're different, therefore they're cool.  If the UofA wanted to mimic A&M's style, I guarantee you they could look similar within 4 years, but we'd have to trim the fat (literally) with some of them big 'uns. 

Arkansas, nor any other corp style band, makes marching in a straight line a priority.  We pretty much ONLY do it during pregame.  A&M starts off in the endzone, one by one, directly behind the person behind them.  As long as those front people know their drill, everyone else should be okay for the most part.  We start from the sidelines most games (I only made it to 1 game this year, so I can only assume), with every person responsible for finding their 1 spot on the field.  Every person. No cheating.  For every song. 

Now maybe that's a discussion to be had...whether we should change our style or something so that it's easier.  But the fans would have to be prepared for nothing but Sousa marches every halftime.  You don't march military style and play Phantom of the Opera.  That aMm don't jive.  ;D

I never said the band didn't repeat shows.  But you're batshit crazy if you think college bands DON'T repeat shows.  It's not magic. You don't just pop in a new show training chip into every kid's head and they magically memorize 4 songs and 45 movements (i.e., 40 yard line, 2 steps towards the hash, 1 step towards the 35 yard line. That's one position.  x's 40.).  It just doesn't work like that.  Maybe if the band members weren't full time students, many of whom also work part time jobs, it'd be easier.  But typically the band practices for 1.5-2 hours every week day.  It's a tight squeeze when you make a switch from 1 show to another.  I remember learning the last few pages of drill the day before the game. 

And, like I said, A&M does the same show every year for every game.  THE HORROR!


I was waiting on one of you guys to respond...

so what do we need--new direction (fire current band guy, hire another), more money, more numbers, more quality numbers (i.e. run off the culls...can we do that?)

also, I like that prancin' aMm they do in the big 10--is that too hard to do?



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Re: the band
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2012, 10:31:59 AM »
That's fine and dandy.  I guarantee you that it looked like hot garbage.  And I guarantee you they didn't memorize the music.  It's easy as frick to concentrate on your marching when you don't have to worry about which note is coming up next.  And it probably sounded like aMm too.  But I don't believe, for one second, that a band of probably 50-60 kids (fairly standard for 3A in texas) could put together a new show in 1 week, which is 4 days mind you.  No. fricking. Way.  Which school is this? I bet it's on youtube, as epic as it must have been. 

A&M's band is cool because they're the only ones that still do it.  Military style is universally considered pretty rudimentary.  They're different, therefore they're cool.  If the UofA wanted to mimic A&M's style, I guarantee you they could look similar within 4 years, but we'd have to trim the fat (literally) with some of them big 'uns. 

Arkansas, nor any other corp style band, makes marching in a straight line a priority.  We pretty much ONLY do it during pregame.  A&M starts off in the endzone, one by one, directly behind the person behind them.  As long as those front people know their drill, everyone else should be okay for the most part.  We start from the sidelines most games (I only made it to 1 game this year, so I can only assume), with every person responsible for finding their 1 spot on the field.  Every person. No cheating.  For every song. 

Now maybe that's a discussion to be had...whether we should change our style or something so that it's easier.  But the fans would have to be prepared for nothing but Sousa marches every halftime.  You don't march military style and play Phantom of the Opera.  That aMm don't jive.  ;D

I never said the band didn't repeat shows.  But you're batshit crazy if you think college bands DON'T repeat shows.  It's not magic. You don't just pop in a new show training chip into every kid's head and they magically memorize 4 songs and 45 movements (i.e., 40 yard line, 2 steps towards the hash, 1 step towards the 35 yard line. That's one position.  x's 40.).  It just doesn't work like that.  Maybe if the band members weren't full time students, many of whom also work part time jobs, it'd be easier.  But typically the band practices for 1.5-2 hours every week day.  It's a tight squeeze when you make a switch from 1 show to another.  I remember learning the last few pages of drill the day before the game. 

And, like I said, A&M does the same show every year for every game.  THE HORROR!

Wife has friends in the Wisconsin band and somehow, someway, they manage to do a different show every home game. God, I don't know how they do that.

I used to date a girl whose brother was in the the Corp at A&M. Went to many a game at College Station and I never saw them do the "same show every year for every game". Now to you, it may have LOOKED the same and may have SOUNDED the same, but compared to the crap we see week in and week out at RRS, I can see where you could make that mistake.

I just want to be entertained. I'm tired of Journey tributes, Big Band tributes, GO HOG spell outs and the same old aMm. And what the frick is with the xylophones at midfield...can anyone even hear them?
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« Reply #42 on: January 09, 2012, 10:55:49 AM »
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Re: the band
« Reply #43 on: January 09, 2012, 11:09:12 AM »
Used to be... one could exit and get their drink on at half time upon re-entering. Made all of this talk a complete non-issue.

I agree with the horns and drums aMm though. Clarinets are for putheys.
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« Reply #44 on: January 09, 2012, 11:25:31 AM »
Wife has friends in the Wisconsin band and somehow, someway, they manage to do a different show every home game. God, I don't know how they do that.

I used to date a girl whose brother was in the the Corp at A&M. Went to many a game at College Station and I never saw them do the "same show every year for every game". Now to you, it may have LOOKED the same and may have SOUNDED the same, but compared to the crap we see week in and week out at RRS, I can see where you could make that mistake.

I just want to be entertained. I'm tired of Journey tributes, Big Band tributes, GO HOG spell outs and the same old aMm. And what the frick is with the xylophones at midfield...can anyone even hear them?

 When I was in the UofA band back in 93, we did have a different show for each home game in Fayetteville. We learned at least three, since there were three home games at Fayetteville. I know one was a West Side Story show, and one was a tribute to John Williams. We learned one show per week.

 I know we play more home games in Fayetteville now than we did then, but it sure seems they play the same thing over and over again.

 I have complained about the status of the band on another thread, and hate to beat a dead horse. I am sick and tired of hearing the 1940's era music year after year.

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Re: the band
« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2012, 11:27:48 AM »

I was waiting on one of you guys to respond...

so what do we need--new direction (fire current band guy, hire another), more money, more numbers, more quality numbers (i.e. run off the culls...can we do that?)

also, I like that prancin' aMm they do in the big 10--is that too hard to do?



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I think it'll take a visionary in the music department.  But since most music majors with scholarships are made to march in the band, I doubt they'd be willing to follow my advice (brass and percussion only).  Too many old-school people that are music purists. 

I don't think it's even worth talking about.  Nothing will change. 

Wisconsin has one of the best bands in the country that is spoon fed awesome, motivated kids who actually do band because they enjoy it...not because it's a prerequisite for a scholarship.  That's the rub.  Without the music major kids, you'll likely decrease the talent level IMMENSELY.  They'd have to dumb down the music a lot, IMO.  WITH the music major kids you have a decent percentage of the band that doesn't really want to be there. They're just doing it for the money. 

Let's pretend I'm in charge:  Drop woodwinds, go entirely horns and percussion.  Limit the size of the band to 200-250 kids.  No more of this 350 kid porkula envy bullshit where there's no room on the field to move.  Do not make marching band a prerequisite for music scholarships.  Increase the size of band scholarships.  Less people = more money per person = more competitive to make the band = higher quality musician/marcher.  Done. No more flags at all.  Only rifles.  If you can't handle a rifle, don't even try (those wooden ones, essentially an extremely difficult baton).  That's it. 

Just like that we'd have one of the more unique bands in the country and definitely more unique than anyone in the SEC.  With 200-250 Brass/Drums, we'd also be just as loud/louder...especially given the level of musician with competitive scholarships. 

Pipe dream, of course.

ETA: Ohio State's band last year was bad ass.  I think Big 10 bands are known for that. 

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Re: the band
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2012, 11:38:04 AM »
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Re: the band
« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2012, 11:44:57 AM »
Band threads are awesome.

Arguing over the band in threads is DePauwsome.

Not knowing what DePauwsome means is awesome.

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Re: the band
« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2012, 11:57:01 AM »
Drum and bugle corps.  That is what we need.  350 strong.  That would fricking rock the house.  None of those puthy little wind things that don't make any good sound.  Just loud and fired up.
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Re: the band
« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2012, 12:00:24 PM »
To the extent Texzilla is even serious at all - and I'm still not sure  ;D -- he might think that since our twillers really don't twirl anyway, they might as well look a little more fit.  If not, pick some other outfits.

I think there are obviously differences of opinion between what fans of the football team are entertained by and what the band's leaders want to perform (to the extent they even want to perform at all).

Us heathens mostly don't know enough to appreciate technically difficult pieces.  We just want to be entertained.  It's not a recital.

Way back, a guy I knew was in a bluegrass band of high school and college kids.  Technically, they were actually very good.  But they were starting out playing gigs at places like Shakey's Pizza playing for almost nothing, plus tips.  He said something like, "our fiddle player gets pissed because even though he knows how to play lots tougher bluegrass fiddle songs, everyone keeps requesting Orange Blossum Special because they heard Miss Texas play it on the Miss America pagent.  I told him to get over it; we're playing a Shakey's for tips."

I think our band plays well enough.  And the marching is probably tollerable for most folks.  But imagination goes a long way to entertaining the Great Unwashed up in the stands, both during the halftime shows and during the game itself.  I don't know how many of the kids playing have any actual input into things like that.  I think they should.

I think it is great that the band plays Seven Nation Army at times during the game.  There may be 3 or 4 dozen other D-1 bands doing the same.  I don't think we did it much sooner than last year but the song's been out since 2003 I think.  We aren't exactly cutting edge on a lot of things that matter to the folks in the seats.  We were still playing the CBS Sports theme music after CBS themselves quit playing it.  Nobody's had a bright idea since then?

The first band to dance to Thriller was an internet sensation.  the next 3 or 4 were amusing.  Everyone after that was a cliche.

I don't blame the kids marching.  I've never had a kid in band but I know they work hard and put in the hoburs.  I just wish those in charge showed more imagination and innovation in deciding what the fans hear.  And if those aren't their strong suits, then give the kids more input in those areas, just to get some ideas.

I doubt Eddie Sutton can play a lick but he had enough sense to know that a basketball pep band could affect a ballgame and be entertaining, all at the same time.  So he put Robken on a plane to see the Cougar Brass and Haufinze and essentially said, "that!  I want that, except better."

I think our band sounds good.  I think their interaction with the crowd at RRS, especially with the student section, has gotten a lot better.  But it can be improved.  I'm not holding out hope for something as good as the Samari Aggie spoof but we can do a little better.
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