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20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« on: January 15, 2012, 11:44:46 AM »
So I'm a little bored this morning and rolling through checking up other message boards and such.  Apparently some LOL Miss guy kept a spreadsheet that he updated and put together the info so that we can see the tendencies and results now from 20 years of SEC play with 12 teams. 

I thought a lot of the information was interesting to digest.

1. Florida: 198-59-1 (0.769) Overall, 124-36-0 (0.775) SEC, 20 bowls (11-9 record), 10 division titles, 7 SEC titles, 3 national titles
2. Tennessee: 174-75-1 (0.698) Overall, 105-54-1 (0.659) SEC, 17 bowls (9-8 record), 5 division titles, 2 SEC titles, 1 national title
3. Alabama: 174-77-1 (0.692) Overall, 103-56-1 (0.647) SEC, 15 bowls (10-5 record), 7 division titles, 3 SEC titles, 3 national titles
4. Georgia: 173-75-1 (0.697) Overall, 99-60-1 (0.622) SEC, 17 bowls (12-5 record), 4 division titles, 2 SEC titles, 0 national titles
5. Dead Trees: 169-75-2 (0.691) Overall, 98-60-2 (0.619) SEC, 14 bowls (9-5 record), 4 division titles, 2 SEC titles, 1 national title
6. LSU: 166-80-1 (0.674) Overall, 95-64-1 (0.597) SEC, 15 bowls (11-4 record), 5 division titles, 4 SEC titles, 2 national titles
7. Arkansas: 137-104-2 (0.568) Overall, 77-81-2 (0.488) SEC, 12 bowls (4-8), 3 division titles, 0 SEC titles, 0 national titles
8. South Carolina: 120-117-1 (0.506) Overall, 65-94-1 (0.409) SEC, 9 bowls (5-4), 1 division title, 0 SEC titles, 0 national titles
9. Ole Miss: 121-116-0 (0.511) Overall, 60-100-0 (0.375) SEC, 9 bowls (8-1), 0 division titles, 0 SEC titles, 0 national titles
10. MSU: 109-126-2 (0.464) Overall, 57-102-1 (0.359) SEC, 8 bowls (5-3), 1 division title, 0 SEC titles, 0 national titles
11. Kentucky: 98-138-0 (0.415) Overall, 45-115-0 (0.281) SEC, 8 bowls (3-5), 0 division titles, 0 SEC titles, 0 national titles
12. Vanderbilt: 69-161-0 (0.300) Overall, 25-135-0 (0.156) SEC, 2 bowls (1-1), 0 division titles, 0 SEC titles, 0 national titles

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 11:49:08 AM »
None of this information is mine, by the way.  I simply copied and pasted from that guy's post.  I don't know how accurate all the info is, he did note that it was on the field stuff and not taking forfeits in to account - looking at you 'bama.

TN's place kind of shocks me.  Why did they fire Fulmer again?

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 12:06:23 PM »
Well, we are cemented in 7th, but we ought to get ahead of the new 2 and get in the upper half and stay there.

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 12:15:17 PM »
Well, we are cemented in 7th, but we ought to get ahead of the new 2 and get in the upper half and stay there.

2012 will be a fresh slate for a 14 team SEC. 

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 12:27:03 PM »
7th, but only 8th in potential. We're overachievers.

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 12:30:57 PM »
Big 6 and then us. Smallest stadium of those above us has a capacity in the mid-80s, and I believe 4 of 6 seat 90+.

We can have a chicken/egg argument, but I dream of a day when we have 85k-90k people in Razorback Stadium giving the opposing team Starkville.

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 01:36:45 PM »
Big 6 and then us. Smallest stadium of those above us has a capacity in the mid-80s, and I believe 4 of 6 seat 90+.

We can have a chicken/egg argument, but I dream of a day when we have 85k-90k people in Razorback Stadium giving the opposing team Starkville.

Interesting argument, who was the last title team with a avg home attendance equal to ours? Miami might be the closest example.
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 01:46:17 PM »
The thing I like about this graph is that it also puts in to perspective what we are trying to build here under Petrino.  The fact is, we are a bit delusional when we express disappointment that we didn't win a NC or something like that this year..... and we have all heard certain fans yammer that way.

There is a clear line between Dead Trees/LSU and us, or has been.  We consider them our peers but clearly, the facts don't bear that out yet. 

You crawl.  You stand.  You walk.  You run.  You jump and fly.  I don't know where we are yet in that process but there is a process.  Petrino understands it and how to go about doing it, or I think so anyway. 

The clock is ticking too because with A&M and an even more delusional fanbase to the North coming in, there are going to be even more people clawing at that door.  God help us if one of THOSE 2 teams scaled the SEC mountain before us.  I'd contemplate jumping in an amoeba infested lake.

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 02:29:18 PM »
The thing I like about this graph is that it also puts in to perspective what we are trying to build here under Petrino.  The fact is, we are a bit delusional when we express disappointment that we didn't win a NC or something like that this year..... and we have all heard certain fans yammer that way.

There is a clear line between Dead Trees/LSU and us, or has been.  We consider them our peers but clearly, the facts don't bear that out yet. 

You crawl.  You stand.  You walk.  You run.  You jump and fly.  I don't know where we are yet in that process but there is a process.  Petrino understands it and how to go about doing it, or I think so anyway. 

The clock is ticking too because with A&M and an even more delusional fanbase to the North coming in, there are going to be even more people clawing at that door.  God help us if one of THOSE 2 teams scaled the SEC mountain before us.  I'd contemplate jumping in an amoeba infested lake.

i know what you are saying about those other teams, i worry about that sometimes too. I think AandM will adjust ok after taking some lumps. I think the shitbirds form misery are in for a rude awakening though.

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 04:17:30 PM »
I personally think Missouri is getting ready to start a 20 year run in the SEC that would be similar to Kentucky football in the SEC.  Their program is minimally aware of the way they are going to have to shift the way they play.... their fans are absolutely clueless as to what kind of fan passion they are stepping in to. 

Still, if they play in the East, they could stumble on to some success early. 

We need to win the SEC.  Pronto. 

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 08:58:50 PM »
At first I was surprised we were 7th but it makes sense.

There's such a huge discrepancy between the top and bottom halves. Not much movement in between at all.
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 09:58:50 PM »
2012 will be a fresh slate for a 14 team SEC.

works for me, pre-BMFP is a different era entirely anyway

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 10:55:30 PM »
At first I was surprised we were 7th but it makes sense.

There's such a huge discrepancy between the top and bottom halves. Not much movement in between at all.

It also didn't help that we were 3-8 and 6-6 our last two seasons in the SWC before joining the SEC.

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2012, 07:55:37 AM »
i know what you are saying about those other teams, i worry about that sometimes too. I think AandM will adjust ok after taking some lumps. I think the shitbirds form misery are in for a rude awakening though.

I would bet Missouri has a better record, better conference record, and better head-to-head record than A&M the last 10 years. 
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2012, 08:04:25 AM »
It took forever for us to upgrade.  We had poor facilities, poor stadium, poor recruiting, strictly second rate stuff by the time we joined the SEC. 

We GOT the facilities, but were still saddled with a coaching staff and administration that was not up to even SWC standards.  It took forever, and a massive, sustained effort to flush that as well.

We are at sort of a beginning.  We have the campus, the location, the facilities, the fans, the administration, and the coach in place to set our shoulders and step, once again mind you, into the true, spotlighted big time.  Finally.
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 08:10:33 AM »
Wonder what the stats look like for the two decades to be separated.

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 11:06:30 AM »
I would bet Missouri has a better record, better conference record, and better head-to-head record than A&M the last 10 years.

my wikipedia-sourced calculations come up with 5-1 head-to-head during the last 10 seasons in Missouri's favor

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2002   5-7   2-6   
2003   8-5   4-4
2004   5-6   3-5
2005   7-5   4-4
2006   8-5   4-4
2007   12-2   7-1    lost in Texas League title game
2008   10-4   5-3   lost in Texas League title game
2009   8-5   4-4
2010   10-3   6-2   Texas League north co-champs
2011   8-5   5-4   

   overall 81-47   conference 44-37


Texas A&M

2002   6-6   3-5   L to Mizzou
2003   4-8   2-6   L to Mizzou
2004   7-5   5-3   did not play
2005   5-6   3-5   did not play
2006   9-4   5-3   W over Mizzou
2007   7-6   4-4   L to Mizzou
2008   4-8   2-6   did not play
2009   6-7   3-5   did not play
2010   9-4   6-2   L to Mizzou
2011   7-6   4-5   L to Mizzou

   
   overall 64-60   conference 37-44

I did not double-check these numbers so don't take them as gospel
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2012, 11:32:52 AM »
Mizzou played in the much weaker Big Whatever North though whereas A&M had to play Texass and OU every year.
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2012, 11:42:01 AM »
i know what you are saying about those other teams, i worry about that sometimes too. I think AandM will adjust ok after taking some lumps. I think the shitbirds form misery are in for a rude awakening though.

Aggie has the desire to compete in this league and will be able to keep plugging through the certain ass whippings and humiliation coming their way.  Missouri will not.  Within three years they will accept their role as Starkville north.  They will shift their resources and focus to basketball thereafter. 

In the last 6 years Arkansas 3 years of winning 6 and 7 SEC games.  We will likely get another 6 or more win season next year.  We gaining traction!  Also, 20 years ago Arkansas' all time winning % was something like 62%.  I think Petrino will have it back close to that by the time he leaves. 

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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2012, 11:46:03 AM »
Mizzou played in the much weaker Big Whatever North though whereas A&M had to play Texass and OU every year.

When Nebraska was a shell of it's former self...
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2012, 11:48:36 AM »
I think we were something like 3-4-1 in the SEC our first two years, then went to the title game in '95.  I remember thinking, "we're not that good but we're humiliating ourelves, either.

At least, in the conference.  Memphis and SMU, on the other hand ... :(
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Re: 20 Years in a 12 team SEC
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2012, 03:07:56 PM »
Wonder what the stats look like for the two decades to be separated.

Since it's been completely dead this afternoon, I went to figurin'.

1st 10 years:
                   Overall        Pct.   SEC        Pct.
1   UF           103-23-1   0.81   72-13      0.85
2   Utenn        99-23-1   0.80   65-17-1   0.78
3   Bama           84-38   0.69   54-30-1   0.64
4   AU            75-40-2   0.64   45-35-2   0.55
5   UGA          75-41-1   0.64   45-34-1   0.56
6   OM              67-48   0.58   35-45      0.44
7   MSU         63-51-2   0.54   37-42-1   0.46
8   LSU          62-53-1   0.53   37-43-1   0.46
9   AR           59-55-2    0.51   35-45-2   0.43
10   USC        50-62-1   0.44   29-50-1   0.36
11   UK             41-72   0.36   22-58      0.28
12   Vandy        33-77   0.30   10-70      0.13

2nd 10 years:

                 Overall   Pct.    SEC       Pct.   Diff
1   LSU       105-27   0.80   61-23   0.73   +7
2   UGA        98-34   0.74   57-27   0.68   +3
3   AU          94-35   0.73   53-27   0.65   +1
4   UF          95-36   0.73   57-26   0.69    -3
5   Bama      91-39   0.70   53-30   0.64    -2
6   AR          79-48   0.62   42-40   0.51   +3
7   Utenn      75-52   0.59   43-39   0.52    -5
8   USC        71-54   0.57   38-43    0.47   +2
9   UK          57-66   0.46    23-57   0.29   +2
10   OM       55-67   0.45    26-54   0.33    -4
11   MSU      47-74   0.39   20-60   0.25    -4
12   Vandy    37-83   0.31   15-65   0.19    -

And, for shits and giggles here's since 2008 (BMFP era):


               Overall    Pct.        SEC      Pct.
1   Bama     48-6     0.89      30-5      0.86
2   LSU      41-12     0.77     22-11     0.67
3   UF        41-13     0.76     23-11     0.68
4   AU        35-17     0.67     18-15     0.55
5   AR        34-17     0.67     17-15     0.53
6   UGA      34-19     0.64     20-13     0.61
7   USC      34-19     0.64     18-15     0.55
8   MSU      25-25     0.50     11-21     0.34
9   UK         25-26     0.49     9-23      0.28
10   OM      24-26     0.48     10-22     0.31
11   Utenn   23-27     0.46     11-21     0.34
12   Vandy   17-33     0.34     7-25      0.22

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