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It's not about losing fans to other schools. I'm talking about gaining new ones over time. I'm talking about losing the identity that we are "Arkansas' team." It wouldn't be immediate, but some of that mystique would fade over time.
If Razorback PR and media buzz isn't getting shoved down your throat from an early age, it's not going to matter whether you can watch the games on TV or not... Starkville, from that aspect, if I'm 9 or 10 RIGHT NOW, what's to keep me from deciding I'm an Oregon fan and moving on from there? They're accessible from a TV stand point, too.
You can call all of that fear and woe is me jargon and what-not if you want, it's a valid point. That mystique is what has always, to me, made this state and our program so unique. If you spend a lot of time here, you end up rooting for the Razorbacks. It's pretty fricking cool and I'd like to retain that as long as possible. Games in WMS DO play a role in that. More so than any game in Dallas. Not SEC games in WMS, not LSU games... just one non-con game. I'd even say every other year.
But if we wait 10 or 20 years to do something, spend millions of dollars on WMS, millions of dollars on RRS, and organically it becomes a necessity to move all of the games, all we did was prolong something that should have been done now. Stop throwing bad money after good. Stop having 2 when 1 will suffice.
But who would become Arkansas' team? Who would the Arkansas media, suddenly, begin to shove down our throats? That's my point. Just because we move 2 games, which only 110,000 people get to attend each year, I don't see how the entire sports culture of Arkansas would suddenly change. That isn't logical to me. Exactly. TV has made the whole proximity thing a moot point. Look at the "stud" recruits we've lost the last few years. They've had Razorback propaganda, so to speak, shoved down their throats for years. But that didn't keep them from looking elsewhere. That's why it's important to improve the program. If we continue to make RRS and the program a great representation of the state, more and more recruits will come. We'll get better. We'll be more of a household name. Maybe we'd lose a few Arkansas fans. Maybe we gain some from Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Louisiana, etc. It works both ways, right? The U of A has record enrollment. Those kids will have kids. They'll go to hog games. That will continue. The university continues to expand. NWA continues to expand. I just don't see our fan base shrinking as long as we keep investing in the program.We don't have to be unique to be successful. In fact, we've been unique since 1964 and we've got nothing to show for it. But I'm perfectly fine with letting LR have 1 crappy non-con game a year, especially if it's against LA-Monroe and it doesn't count as a home game for us. But they need to expand that stadium to fit at least 65-70,000 people. They need to stop charging the UofA to play there. They need to let the UofA run concessions. Those things would at least make playing there not seem like such a step down. Who's going to foot the bill, though? Is Arkansas in such a state of financial superiority that it can afford to throw money into WMS when one of the nicest college FB stadium sits just 2.5 hours up the road? Maybe that's how the GSD debate should truly be settled. Let the voters decide. $50MM out of tax payers pockets to fix the football stadium in LR, or just move all of the games to Fayetteville? It'd be interesting to see how it played out.
i agree with having non conf games in LR, that aMm doesnt bother me as long as there is games here to see. I do find it funny that there is talk about expanding rrs when it doesnt sell out now. Talk about wasting money on LR games....
You should email Jeff Long and tell hm this since he obviously doesn't know what the Starkville he's doing.
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I'm ok with 1 game per year in Little Rock.I'm ok with every other year that being a Mississippi (take your pick), rotated with ULM. I still think we should send Mizzou down there just to haze them.I'm not ok with sending LSU there every other year, and I'm not ok with sending two games per year there perpetually.aMm, sign a contract for one game per season there for 10 years. I'm ok with that. Fayetteville attendance might actually improve if people had to come to the Hill to see a good game. If those people aren't coming to Fayetteville now, I don't see the big deal in them continuing to not come to Fayetteville for games. Same result, right? Eastern and Southern Arkansas continue to lose population and it continues to shift to the north and west.
Who would replace us as "Arkansas's team?" No one. That's the whole fricking point. It's why some specifically don't want to play stAte. It's why every person who ever spends time in this state end up rooting for Arkansas. Yes, it's really the only place like it besides maybe Nebraska, and it's very unique. You can preach up and down about how we don't need to be unique, but I think it's the very fabric of the program and all of it's tradition. It's a very unwise assumption to think that none of that matters.Your conjecture about WMS expansion (the whole point of this thread is how stupid that is, right?) and voters is all a huge pipe dream.I guess my whole point is that people get so god damn worked up over this and they never discuss the real issues. Ty is spot on with the real issues at stake. The real problems that will need smart solutions and compromise across the board.I'm just trying to bring to the forefront that this program and university's presence in LR has been and continues to be imperative to creating the Arkansas Razorback tradition that we all know so well. Starkville yes, we need this to be the state's "team." Whether anyone likes to admit it, we don't have the traditionally large numbers of alums and students to compete with out that aura. The Razorbacks are our "pro" team that everyone goes crazy over.WMS games in LR don't create that by themselves, but it's the cornerstone of the presence of UofA in the state's center. I just think that's very important. No one is on here railing to keep an SEC game in WMS. I think we all understand we need those games on campus now.
If NWA folks would quit trashing the entire state other than their slice of heaven thats connected with 40 miles of 2 lane interstate, theyd see that LR folks are ready to compromise, improve the stadium, and want the best for the hogs.as well.
I'm really surprised this is even an issue. Bigtime football programs don't play their home games on the road...period (unless it's Jerryworld and everyone is getting rich). Do you realize that we had three "home" games last year where we could not entertain recruits on official visits?? You know how big of a disadvantage that is??I don't care what you do to WM, it's still a waste receptacle. It's nothing more than a novelty and the chance for 20-30k people to attend a Razorback game for less money than it would cost to come to Fayetteville. The other 20-30k is going to go to the game regardless of whether it's in LR or Fayetteville.It's a cool atmosphere that's losing it's appeal as I get older but I have no problem with one game a year down there. It better be a cupcake though. With the constant upgrades that are happening to RRS, along with the other new facilities that are being built, the time has come for every meaningful football game to be played before 70k+ on the Hill. If you argue otherwise....you're just not being honest with yourself.
Yet nobody has addressed any of the questions I posed.
i refuse to believe you are this fricking stupid
What parts, exactly, do you think are wrong? And why? I can think of a couple of programs that had similar arrangements (Ole Miss and Alabama) that haven't fallen off the map in their states because they stopped playing a neutral site game. Arkansas is different because ________? Essentially, the answer is always some variation of, "It just is! We're super special."
The answer is both of those states have in-state SEC competition for a larger base of in-state recruits that they want to host on campus for official visits for their rivalry games every other season.Completely different situation.In fact, I'd argue absolutely no one has a situation like ours.
So being the only SEC team in our state is a problem keeping the fans from supporting the program? We need two venues because we are the only bad mamajama in the state? I don't follow.
Nope... has more to do with retaining big-time exposure with the state's biggest (by far) media market and cultural/financial/etc. center.
Basketball has a couple more home games to answer your other post. So the AR media is going to keep games in LR because they will boycott the Hogs? Whatever will happen to their ratings when they stop covering the Hogs? This has more to do with Stephen's than Wally, IMO.
This is funny to me. I hear a lot of NWA boosterism, but I rarely hear any mention of "compared to LR" or anywhere else for that matter.I see jabs in that direction sometimes on here, but its almost always in jest. Fayetteville people love Fayetteville. They generally go about that that without saying "its better than Fort Smith" or "its better than Hot Springs".I really think that NWA might just be the one area of the state without a huge inferiority complex, and that seems to be unsettling to some people. It is perceived as "arrogance" to actually like living where you live.
The argument I hear is that it's because we won't have BMFP forever and 5-7's will require LR games to keep the revenue flowing in from all parts of the state.
Lot of smoking keyboards today.And to think that when I was in HS, a lot of boys were embarrassed to take typing.
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