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Lots of University of Northwest Arkansas sentiment in here, taking a DC politics style approach to the rhetoric. 1) Tailgating ain't near what it is in LR. I love to tailgate in Fayetteville, got a great spot, and it's come a long ways....but let's be real. Rolling into the pit two hours before kickoff and trying not to run over the other late arriving tailgaters in the mass of pedestrians around player walk through ain't getting it done. 2) The ignorant aMm about WMS being a dump doesn't do anything, other than prove that you haven't been anywhere else other than RRS. Other than its size, WMS is pretty much exactly like most other major stadiums around this country. Most stadiums are huge concrete and steel structures designed to house 80,000 people for 3 hours....with nice areas for 5-10,000 fans to primp and act like they care about football as they play grabass. 3) Bama '10 was a special atmosphere. So was Auburn '11. Above and beyond what you could get in WMS. But that's not the point. The vast majority of the LR crowd has conceded those big games. Give LR two games, including a decent non-con like Tulsa, and let them expand the stadium and people will be happy. Fayetteville gets all the big games, and all the conference games, and doesn't have <60,000 people for a mid-November cupcake in poor weather. 4) Giving away a home game to Dallas, now against someone most likely along the lines of Texas Tech, while pulling games from the city that supported the university for over 60 years ain't gonna fly. THAT will piss some people off.5) And here is the most important point. We are as successful and strong as a program since when we won the national title in the '60's. That's great, and I never thought I'd see it during the Hootie years. But, I still looked up with a top 10 team playing an SEC game against a name opponent (Tennessee), and saw full empty sections in the corners of the upper deck. We had ONE game that was chock full this year -- Auburn. There were all kinds of seats for the non-con games. And that's when we are in the top 10 in the strongest conference in the country with a coach that is treated like a god and the most exciting product on the field anywhere in college football. What happens when we have a down year? And we are 6-6, and we have 48,000 people in that big stadium for a game against LA-Monroe? And then 56,000 the next week for Vandy?That's when you're going to need the LR games -- not now, not at the zenith of our program in the last 40 years. All that said....none of this stuff will come down to what you or I post on a message board or really even football. This will play out at the highest levels of state politics, and if WMS is willing to add some more suites and 5,000 or so more seats, I fully expect there to be a completely reasonable compromise met. One that includes all conference games in Fayetteville, and two non-con games in LR with one being the Tulsa, Memphis, etc. of the group.
Fuck Arkansas State. We owe them nothing. Arkansas fans should not be asked to contribute a fucking penny to their program.
We were 5-7 four years ago. We never had "48k people" in the home stadium in Fayetteville.Exaggerate and bullshit, because thats the only way the status quo makes sense.WMS is the second worst stadium in the SEC. Starkville, by some standards it is the worst. Some people cling to that and think that is fine for our program. Others don't.
Hard to take criticisms about exaggerating seriously in the context of your posts about LR games.And no, of course there wasnt 47000 people in Petrino's first year. Although I seem to remember barely 35k in their seats at kickoff for fricking homeco ming 5 (or was it 6 years ago?). We wont always have BMFP, unfortunately.
Really? What part of my post was exaggeration? I've been to every Fayetteville game the last 6 seasons. Every single game there over that time period has had a crowd that exceeded the maximum crowd at WMS.
Its real simple. I don't have nearly as much emotion tied into the debate as you seem to have.I don't "hate" Little Rock. That you perceive that I hate LR, or take issue with my pointing out simple facts, is about you.The fact remains that WMS is smaller than all but one SEC venue. It has no amenities that make it nicer than 13 other venues. In short, its the worst or second worst venue in the SEC any way you slice it. Most objective observers come to the same conclusion. Pointing out reality does not equal "hatred".It takes some real creativity to justify continuing playing in WMS, when we have RRS on campus. When RRS is expanded again, it will become even more absurd.Emotion aside, I just don't see a compelling case for it. It requires exaggeration and emotion to make any case for playing in WMS.
Some people like games in Little Rock.Some people are also not embarrassed by having a rusty car on blocks in their front yard for five years.
Whoever said tailgating was better at RRS is loco.
Funny, I'm the emotional one yet you are the one that firebombs Little Rock and WMS:As far as the venue, I doubt you've been to all the SEC stadiums. I've a shitty job that has put me in various cities all over the south, and the only benefit of said shitty job is getting to go to abunch of football games. Newsflash: WMS is the exact same as 90% of stadiums out there, albeit a smaller.
I've been to every stadium in the SEC at least once and WMS is at or near the bottom. The 2 Mississippi stadiums have been dressed up, but are still dumps. UK's is drap and nothing special, but nicer. USCe is much bigger and sits in the middle of a field, but again, nothing special. All the others are head and shoulders nicer and better.As far as atmosphere, the problem with RRS vs WMS is 2-fold...(1) the on-campus drinking restriction. This is HUGE. While there is obviously still drinking going on, the campus cops do crack down on this and it does effect the rowdiness in the stadium. No one can argue that tailgating scene (aka drinking) is far better in LR, which translates to the better atmosphere at WMS. Which leads to (2) the argument of 76,000 vs 55,000. This is a revenue discussion, which RRS wins. Because in the atmosphere discussion, you have to subtract all the people sitting behind glass that add NOTHING to it. You can't hear them, the team can't hear them. Add in that RRS isn't enclosed (yet) and that is why all the WMS folks go on and on about WMS being louder with less people...well, it really isn't.
You took my rusty car analogy as a direct slam on you or the city of Little Rock. It was really just about two things that don't make any real sense, but some people insist on doing anyway.Look what you are doing. You're justifying Arkansas playing in the SEC's second-shittiest stadium because its "not that much worse" than a couple of the worst stadiums in the SEC. That's a pretty fricking low bar, and if there's emotion for me in the debate at all, its that some of our fanbase has such low fricking standards that being the worst "but not by much" is ok for them. That's the rusty car analogy. The "Well that'll do, it ain't that bad" horseshit, because its more convenient for you and you're too fricking lazy to be bothered with progress or taking pride in the program.
A decision appears to already have been made to not keep the LSU game in Little Rock. Though Long and the school have not announced it will move back to Fayetteville, the “Battle For The Golden Boot” appears headed to Northwest Arkansas.Sources tell us that Arkansas requested only the Ole Miss (Oct. 27) and Kentucky (Oct. 13) dates be held for the stadium’s SEC game. Louisiana-Monroe will be the non-conference game played in Little Rock.Reasons for moving the game include a bigger venue, the advantage of hosting recruits on campus for the biggest game of the year and more space to work for national television crews.
I'd still like to see a WMS apologist address the disadvantage of playing there from a recruiting standpoint...http://www.arkansassports360.com/29157/staggs-war-memorial-commission-working-to-keep-two-razorback-games-in-little-rockEvidently, that's going to be the "company" line to justify moving the LSU game to Fayetteville in 2012.
We can't host recruits in Dallas, either. Yet most around here seem to think that's good for recruiting. And we can host recruits for one game.
If low standards isn't wanting the vast majority of our fans to skip tailgating, yawn on the way to the game, and leave at halftime of a November rent-a-win, when we could have 100,000 people tailgating and an excited crowd, all in our state's center and population base, then yeah, I have low fricking standards.
You're the one that's delusional, and too fricking lazy to be bothered with progress or taking pride in the program. You'd rather roll out of bed and drink your mimosa and get to the game 30 minutes before kickoff, for a game you probably would flip back and forth on TV if it was paired against a big SEC game, than continue to give that shitty game to a part of the state that is one of the big reasons for the success of the program today. You're the lazy and emotional one, that's pretty clear.
The problem isn't with LR fans not being willing to "change," and this bullshit caraciture you like to parrot. In fact, the reason I want LR games is so we won't be the worst. Because if the university is regionalized in 30 years, or god forbid something crazy happens like Gus does turn ASU in to Boise of the south, I don't want to see abunch of other gear around LR besides Razorback gear.
And you can roll your eyes and say what you want, but LR games are one of the big reasons for the support we have around this state. My parents didn't give a aMm about the hogs, but a friend took me to a LR game. Now I donate to two sports and make as many trips as I can. It matters, and in 30 years if it becomes the U of NWA there will be more issues with the institution as a whole than just filling up football stadiums.
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