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Hyperbole, much? I live pretty far away now, but I've managed to attend the Alabama game in 2010 and the Auburn game in 2011. Prior to that, the most electric atmospheres had been Texas in 04 and Tennessee in 06. But Bama/Auburn just KILLED those atmospheres. And they were ABSOLUTELY more electric than anything I've experienced in LR (I've been to 8 games in LR over a period of about 10 years). I wasn't fortunate enough to have been there for either of the miracle games, though. Anyway, your problem seems to be that you think the football program is there to support the fans when it's the other way around. Just because it's not as easy to get drunk and hit on some poon from El Dorado doesn't mean you CAN'T tailgate in Fayetteville. I've never understood that. It's almost exactly the same as your argument about WMS. Is tailgating in Fayetteville as accomodating for tailgating, or as wide open? No. Does that mean that you CAN'T have a good time while tailgating in what is actually available? NO! Also, why do you bring up the state "population" center? Is support for the UofA contingent upon us lifting our skirts to appease that population center? Because that's what every WMS supporter ALWAYS seems to insinuate.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't LR have a hard time selling out for one of those "shitty" games they covet so much? This year...
You. have. got. to. be. kidding. me. Have you been to Jonesboro? Infrastructure alone, they're about 50 years behind the UofA in terms of athletics. We've probably spent more on renovations to our major facilities in the last decade or 2 than they've ever spent TOTAL. Do you honestly think that talented AR kids are going to choose to play in the Sun Belt, in crappy facilities, if they had an opportunity to go to Arkansas? Do you think Arkansas is THAT PATHETIC that it would take 30 years for an also-ran to all of the sudden start pulling a significant part of our fandom away from us?
So many Arkansas people make fun of Texas (my home state). But you know what. TX has major universities scattered across a vast region. And every school has die hard fans in every region. A&M doesn't try to play games in San Antonio so they won't lose some of their fan base to Texas. Texas doesn't play some of their games in Houston so they can try to steal some A&M fans. The schools have enough fricking confidence in their own worth that they don't feel the need to get down on their knees for some putheys who are too fickle to pick a team/school and stick with it. Which, evidently, is an epidemic that's on the verge of overflowing through Arkansas if we took games away from LR.
I don't doubt that LR played a HUGE roll in making AR what it has become. NO DOUBT. But times, they are a changing. Good for you that you had a friend take you to game. Myself, like a ton of our students from other states and NOT from Central Arkansas? We went to the U of A because it's special. I didn't need to attend a football game. And going to the games now is BEYOND overrated in terms of developing a kinship for a program. It was important to play games in LR when all you had was radio, shitty roads, and no lights. All of that has changed.
The University of Arkansas, in Fayetteville, will always be the University of Arkansas. They earned that right. Shut the frick up with your petty UofNWA aMm. If LR was so gawd damn wonderful they would have opened up their pockets in the first place and you could have your version of utopia. But that aMm DIDN'T fricking happen, did it? NOPE. So stop being a fricking wizard sleeve.
Because people realize 2 things:1) Dallas payed us $5MM per game. LR costs us, at last public estimate, $2MM per game. Someone correct me if I'm wrong...
2) We can't host recruits for official visits. You may not know this, but the demographics from which we recruit aren't typically financially secure enough to make that trip unless they're in LR already.
Last public estimate? Cite it. Between the $10 surcharge on every Little Rock ticket (approaches $600k/game) and the discount we get from LA Monroe, it's not near that number. We also get a second set of donations with the RSVP, so it's not nearly that big. Probably more in the $1 mil range.
Unmitigated bullshit, so hundreds can drive to Fayetteville for unofficials but there's some kind of magic toll that makes it cost-prohibitive in LR?
Ummm...we're not talking about unofficials? We're talking about official visits. Official visit = no cost to the student athlete and 1 parent/guardian (i think it's 1). Unofficial visit = we can get you in the game for free. So let's say the #1 linebacker in the country just happens to have a bye week during his senior year. We've been recruiting him, but having little success in getting him to give us a further look. But kid says, "man - arkansas is playing this weekend. I have the weekend off. Starkville, why not. I'll see if I can get down there and check them out." Of course, said fictional kid would have to pay for his own travel for that LR game. So kid says, "what the Starkville? Why can't you pay? Every other school does." I mean, it's not that far fetched. Evidently the athletic department feels like it's too big of an issue to ignore, hence moving the LSU game back to campus.
So let's say the #1 linebacker in the country just happens to have a bye week during his senior year. We've been recruiting him, but having little success in getting him to give us a further look. But kid says, "man - arkansas is playing this weekend. I have the weekend off. Starkville, why not. I'll see if I can get down there and check them out." Of course, said fictional kid would have to pay for his own travel for that LR game. So kid says, "what the Starkville? Why can't you pay? Every other school does." I mean, it's not that far fetched.
It's worked for 60 years.
Lots of University of Northwest Arkansas sentiment in here, taking a DC politics style approach to the rhetoric. 1) Tailgating ain't near what it is in LR. I love to tailgate in Fayetteville, got a great spot, and it's come a long ways....but let's be real. Rolling into the pit two hours before kickoff and trying not to run over the other late arriving tailgaters in the mass of pedestrians around player walk through ain't getting it done. 2) The ignorant aMm about WMS being a dump doesn't do anything, other than prove that you haven't been anywhere else other than RRS. Other than its size, WMS is pretty much exactly like most other major stadiums around this country. Most stadiums are huge concrete and steel structures designed to house 80,000 people for 3 hours....with nice areas for 5-10,000 fans to primp and act like they care about football as they play grabass. 3) Bama '10 was a special atmosphere. So was Auburn '11. Above and beyond what you could get in WMS. But that's not the point. The vast majority of the LR crowd has conceded those big games. Give LR two games, including a decent non-con like Tulsa, and let them expand the stadium and people will be happy. Fayetteville gets all the big games, and all the conference games, and doesn't have <60,000 people for a mid-November cupcake in poor weather. 4) Giving away a home game to Dallas, now against someone most likely along the lines of Texas Tech, while pulling games from the city that supported the university for over 60 years ain't gonna fly. THAT will piss some people off.5) And here is the most important point. We are as successful and strong as a program since when we won the national title in the '60's. That's great, and I never thought I'd see it during the Hootie years. But, I still looked up with a top 10 team playing an SEC game against a name opponent (Tennessee), and saw full empty sections in the corners of the upper deck. We had ONE game that was chock full this year -- Auburn. There were all kinds of seats for the non-con games. And that's when we are in the top 10 in the strongest conference in the country with a coach that is treated like a god and the most exciting product on the field anywhere in college football. What happens when we have a down year? And we are 6-6, and we have 48,000 people in that big stadium for a game against LA-Monroe? And then 56,000 the next week for Vandy?That's when you're going to need the LR games -- not now, not at the zenith of our program in the last 40 years. All that said....none of this stuff will come down to what you or I post on a message board or really even football. This will play out at the highest levels of state politics, and if WMS is willing to add some more suites and 5,000 or so more seats, I fully expect there to be a completely reasonable compromise met. One that includes all conference games in Fayetteville, and two non-con games in LR with one being the Tulsa, Memphis, etc. of the group.
Reading comprehension, much? I wasn't talking about the big games. I was talking about the shitty games in the beginning of the year and sandwiched in between SEC games late in the year. Fayetteville > LR for big games. No doubt. But if you don't think LR > Fayeteville for rent-a-wins, your'e crazy.
Tickets were held until 24 hours before kickoff for season ticket packages and then dumped on the market with zero notification. The unsold tickets were where my season tickets are. Never been an empty seat there, even during the Hootie years. That one wasn't on the fans.
You're proving my point. Only one other state in the country where it is unimaginable the WHOLE state wouldn't support one program. I like it that way. 30 years from now, a lot can change. Starkville, 30 years ago, we were playing 4 games in LR and 2 or 3 in Fayetteville because Fayetteville's stadium was so shitty and had no lights. See, a lot can change in 30 years, no?
So what did A&M do with us? Why does UGA try to play in ATL every year?
That said, you hit on it when you said "die hard fans in every region." I prefer not to see regions in this state, but whatever.
If all that's changed, what was the importance with the Dallas game?
More ignorant aMm. Yeah, it's in Fayetteville. And I love that, but it doesn't have some god-given right to everyone's loyalty in this state. LR games have gone a long way to develop that, and yes, believe it or not, things change, and one day that might not be the case. Again, not sure why giving up rent-a-wins that the Crowd will roll in late, leave early, and flip around on TV if they watch it from LR is such a terroristic stance by those of us that want Arkasnas to remain rabid for the Hogs. It's more about your laziness that YOU don't want to drive to LR for a game, you'd rather roll out and catch the first 2 quarters and get back home to watch the Bama/LSU game. And what for? to destroy 60 years of tradition and kill something that has been such a big part of the program? Okay.
Since when does a stud player take an offical visit to a cupcake game vs ULM in LR or Eastern Michigan in Fayetteville?
No amount of posturing by the slapdick Arkansas media will make up for what kids/families see on Saturdays from ESPN/CBS. If some LR station starts pimping ASU, do you think that'll actually fly? SERIOUSLY? Arkansas fans will be like, "OMG! That dude from the 10:00 news TOTALLY convinced me that I should drive to Jonesboro and check out all the wonderful things that are happening up there. And I'll TOTALLY not have to worry about parking, because no one will fricking BE THERE." Jesus Christ. "Well we can't fire Hootie. Who are we going to get that's better than him?" Living in fear. It's the Arkansas way. We're just not good enough to expect to attract our own fans. We need gimmicks that no other school in the country needs.
I'm ok with 1 game per year in Little Rock.I'm ok with every other year that being a Mississippi (take your pick), rotated with ULM. I still think we should send Mizzou down there just to haze them.I'm not ok with sending LSU there every other year, and I'm not ok with sending two games per year there perpetually.aMm, sign a contract for one game per season there for 10 years. I'm ok with that. Fayetteville attendance might actually improve if people had to come to the Hill to see a good game. If those people aren't coming to Fayetteville now, I don't see the big deal in them continuing to not come to Fayetteville for games. Same result, right? Eastern and Southern Arkansas continue to lose population and it continues to shift to the north and west.
Every game is on TV.
i agree with having non conf games in LR, that aMm doesnt bother me as long as there is games here to see. I do find it funny that there is talk about expanding rrs when it doesnt sell out now. Talk about wasting money on LR games....
Yeah, go see where I EVER supported Houston.You missed my entire freaking point though. That media exposure is constant on stations that air local news across 85% of the state.When you take away ALL of the WMS games, the U of A exposure on those stations WILL fade over time. Not immediate. It's a fact. I don't think stAte or UCA or anyone like that will ever just change over fans in LR. I'm talking about areas like SW and SE Ark, where Arkansas Razorbacks is all anyone ever knows. Over time, that identity in those places will fade.I'm not saying I'm even scared of that. It's not even my issue to decide. And it may take more than 15-20 years to happen, but it would.
You mean the same kind of funny that happened the last time they expanded RRS.The kind of seating they want in the NEZ is actually in demand. It may free up some better bleacher seats and provide a revenue boost to keep the PO folks seats at or around the cheapest in the league. If the time comes for an addition of plain Jane bleacher seats they have the top of the SEZ to accomplish that with. The expansion proposed is very modest but geared to meet demand.
yea, that kind of funny. ya know the last time they expanded RRS and dont fill it up
Questions I don't have the answer to but will toss out:1. If you pull 2 games out of LR this will cost the season ticket holders in Fayetteville and extra $500 per year for a family of 4. Would you lose season ticket holders because of this extra ticket money needed to be forked out for 2 scrub games?B. How many season ticket holders in Fayetteville also have LR season tickets and vice-versa? Folks with only LR season tickets obviously wouldn't get season tickets to Fayetteville or they already would. Can that lost revenue be made up?Threve. Answer The Call has seperate LR and Fayetteville donations. Pulling out of LR would set back those donations. Would the donation levels increase in Fayetteville? Would season tickets holders in both places use the extra money saved from the LR Answer The Call to subsidize the extra ticket cost for Fayetteville?IV. I understand putting in some suites etc if there is a call for them at RRS but what I don't understand is calling for the stadium to increase capacity to 83-85K when there was a top 10 matchup last year with USC-E that didn't even sell out with 75K.Look, I live 10 minutes from WMS. I only have LR season tickets these days after giving up my RRS tickets 4 years ago when my daughter was born to save money. Now I have a 4 year old and a 3 month old. I know there is no way I can afford season tickets to Fayetteville + the Answer The Call fee. I've still made at least 1 game per year at RRS with my wife and daughter and will continue to do so. At the same time, if LR games are moved my money in ticket sales and donations will be lost by the UA. I expect I'm not nearly alone in this scenario. I still think all SEC games should be at RRS but to pull all the games seems like a gamble that could backfire when times aren't as good as they are right now. Of course I could be totally off base.
The Hootie thing is just similar to the irrational fear some of you have. I don't understand any of it. I see the U of A for what it is. The thousands of kids from other states do the same thing. But if you're from Arkansas, for some reason, you think it's not good enough on it's own merits. For some reason, you think we'd lose fans/recruits to ASU, UCA, Ole Miss, Memphis, etc. Well, if you honestly think those schools are threats then I can see your concern. But I don't see it that way. I have more pride in the UofA, I guess. I understand your point about local market exposure. But do you really think most people are turning to the 10 o'clock news to catch 4 minutes of sports more than once or twice a week? Or do you think most people get most of their sports news from ESPN? And it's not "a fact" that U of A exposure would fade. If you saw the UofA like I do, you would have no fear that the state would abandon fandom at the drop of a bucket. And if you don't fear a loss of fans, you don't expect the media to ignore the wants of the local market. So, basically, it still boils down to why you think we'd lose fans. Those people in SE and SW Arkansas have televisions, by the way. There are Razorback fans all over the country that can't make it to games in LR, Fayetteville, or Dallas. But thanks to this wonderful invention called the television, they can still keep that connection going from thousands of miles away. It took Arkansas 20 years to have the kind of success we're just now having in the SEC. But in another 20 or 30 years, the closest schools to LR/SW/SE Arkansas will surpass us to the point where our program would go down the shitter. Look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself if you really think Arkansas will still be playing games in LR in 100 years. In 50 years. In 20 years. In 10 years? If your answer is "no" to any of those time buckets, then what's the point in waiting. Get it over with and start a new tradition of supporting the hogs with no caveats. Start a new tradition free of ultimatums. But if we wait 10 or 20 years to do something, spend millions of dollars on WMS, millions of dollars on RRS, and organically it becomes a necessity to move all of the games, all we did was prolong something that should have been done now. Stop throwing bad money after good. Stop having 2 when 1 will suffice.
But it routinely holds 20,000 more than it did after the last folks questioned the need for expansion. That arguement no longer holds water. The UA can show the demand for what they want to put in and will.Moving the LSU game is a great first step to ween the WMS folks off the LR tit.
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